Transcript of E1027 - Love Is Blind Reunion He-Said She-Said w Ali & Anton and Shannon Beador Breaks Down The RHOC Finale

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You're crazy. What's going on, everybody?

Welcome back to another Jam Hacked episode of the Vial Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host, nick, joined by my articulate. Oh, actually, no, this is crazy. Oh my God. It's like, take that one back.

We got so close. No, no, no.

Actually, no, she's not.

A flawless flight. Apparently flawless. So we were on the plane. We were flying this weekend, and I downloaded ChatGPT for the first time. Okay. I was just playing around with it, asking a random question. Cool. And I was listening to a podcast talking about how you could roast yourself using AI. So I asked AI to... I asked Chat to roast me.

Awesome.

That's some pretty funny jokes. Really honest, for sure. Huh?

Really honest, for sure. Didn't hold back. I was like, Oh, did not hold back. That's fair. That's crying.

So ChatGPT could say the things I would get fired for?

Then I asked it to roast my wife. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Took it upon himself. Wait, I would like to hear these roasts. It was an interesting turn of events for sure.

You're like, Wait, did I ask?

Literally. I was like, No, actually, I'm mentally healthy right now. My things are going great. I didn't want to know.

Let's see here. Mcval could be standing in a Costco TV aisle with a T-shirt that says, I have a podcast and still somehow feel under-credited. I don't think that's true. That's funny, though. Then I asked it to roast my wife. Number one, Nelly Joy has the confidence of someone who knows she could post one bikini carousel and reset the internet with an Etch-a-Sketch. That's not mean. No. Number two, Nelly's Instagram stories are proof that if you are hot enough, people will you unbox supplements like they are a succession plot point.

It's just being like, that is hot.

Number three, Nelly Joy has perfected the exact tone of voice that says, I'm humble, but the sentence she's saying is, So many brands want to work with me.

nick literally was pissed that AI was like, my bad.

Building you up. Number four, Nelly is so good on camera. It's honestly suspicious. She does couples content like someone who has never once had a bad angle in her whole life.

The couples content.

I know.

I'm like, I don't know. I know. This is ridiculous. Anyways.

This was his first question was roast my wife. No, my first question was roast me.

Roasting yourself. That was my first question.

That make me feel better by roasting my wife.

Let me know I'm not alone by roasting your wife.

It gave me some honest feedback, some of which I felt not just the roast.

You're like, Fuck, do I talk about having a podcast too much?

In Costco? Anyways, we have a great episode lined up for you all today. Shannon Storms the Door returns to the Vial files to talk OC finale, and she doesn't hold back.

She does not hold back. Also, we have the Love is Blind reunion to cover. We have a little He Said, She Said with Ali and Anton, who will both be joining us this episode as well. So a lot to get into. Also, We have a great Going deeper. It's certainly He Said, She Said, but at the same time, Jordan and Sparkle Megan will be on the couch on Wednesday. Together. Catching up together, both with child. Yes. Both with child. Yeah, that'll be interesting to have them together. I'm not sure what to expect, but it will be a banger of an episode. I can promise you that. Also, we have Timothée Simons from The Hit Show, Nobody Wants This. Now, season 2 is on Netflix. Everyone's watching. Everyone's loving it. He returns to the Violet Follies. He was a guest back in a long time ago.

Really? What was he talking about back then?

We were just talking. Just talking. Okay. Yeah, long before any of you probably showed up. Question for the ladies in relationships. A marriage. Serious. You're married, you're engaged. We're married. If you die, how long is it acceptable before I get remarried?

Never. Never?

What if I got remarried in a year?

Oh, my God. Who is she?

No, that's crazy.

I would come back and haunt you.

First of all, that's too soon.

In a year? I'm not going to get into who just got remarried. His wife passed away in June of '24. Also, he's had a glow up. Oh. He's got a beard now. He's hot now. He's smiling in pictures. His new wife. Is he smiling? I do not know what his old wife looks like. They had four kids together. I don't know how his wife passed.

Wow. Did he smile before?

Yeah. I only saw one photo, and the before photo was a portrait photo of him smiling.

Yeah, no.

You're in such a- But it was less than six, little over a year. Yeah.

Too soon for me.

I mean, I'm married. I don't think you ever need to get married again. You could have a girlfriend, I guess. But also, you are older than me.

Doesn't it take a Is it easier to mourn someone's death or something, as they say?

Isn't the rule, it's however you have, however long you were together to get over it or something? Something like that. Yeah. Which, give or take.

If you're married for 20 years.

It better take 10 years at least to get over me. At the very least.

Anyways, I was- This is dark, but isn't there a thing where widowers are hot to people or no?

Are there? I don't know. I'm sure there's a fetish for everything. I did hear that when you're on your period, you're hotter.

Excuse me? That's what I heard.

I've never felt that way. You're more attractive to men when you're on your period, apparently. Pheromones.

Yeah.

Yes, of course. Some people are werewolves.

I mean, I don't know. I've never been like, she must be on her period.

I'm ready for, no, I'm beating you away with a stick.

Get the fuck away from me.

Maybe that's why. Do you think this guy, this new woman that he was with, was just on her period, and that's why they got married? No.

Could be. Anyway, it was a glow up for me that I found a bit jarring. I'm like, damn, he looks good.

I'd be rolling over in my grave.

Oh, yeah. I definitely feel like I would haunt you for sure. Like your new girlfriend, your new wife would be like, So things keep falling off the walls.

What if you just possessed the new wife and then you took over her body? Because then you're back.

That's like ghost. That's not what I show, nick. It was me, though.

You just know that one secret.

It's like that one scene in Ghost.

Or is it what lies beneath? I don't know. Is that the whole storyline? Are they rushing forward? Yeah, with Michelle Pfeiffer.

You guys should come up with a secret. Only you guys will know so that when Natalie comes back to haunt you, she can...

That's a really good idea.

Well, we did have Halloween weekend this past weekend, and it was, I do have to say, more fun now that River is able to walk and understands the concept a little bit. Last year, she was a little strawberry, and we just walked around, and no one ever really wanted to give her because they knew we were just going to eat it. They were like, next house. But she had so much fun. We were with so many kids, and I taught her to say trick or treat, and she said, Choo-chee. It was really cute, and she was a little cat.

It was a lot of fun. Then one of the day, I think River is really fast. She's not even two. She's got some wheels. But again, I have nothing to compare it to. Then we were trick or treating, and then with one of the families, they have a son, River's age. River was racing, beating him. Now I want... Would it be weird to under three-year-olds get a bunch of races going?

Yeah, it feels a little bit like... They have crawl races.

That's what Hackey Sac races are. Princess Diana participated in her kids in one.

I would like to get a group of dads with age rages and then have our kids race. Race. For money. For money?

That's like that one Seinfeld episode where he races that guy. Yeah, you should do it.

I think you should. I think she's really fast. He I was like, damn, she's fast.

What was he dressed up as?

The other little kid she was racing? Yeah. A football player.

Oh, so the cat's faster than the football player.

Probably a defensive player. What was Louis dressed as? He was Baby Shark. Oh, cute. Do you all listen to that song a lot? Baby Shark. Do you all listen to it? Yeah, we listen to it a lot. We listen to it a lot.

Also, there were some girls dressed as 6 and 7.

What is that? What is it?

What is it? What's 6 and 7? Apparently, Dictionary 67. Com has named 67 as the 2025 word of the year. It's not even a word. It's a number. It's two words.

Can someone explain it to me? Because I also saw someone dressed as 6 and 7. I don't know what this is.

Something kids are saying.

I did just call it 67 a couple of minutes ago, and Cierra corrected me. So apparently I'm Unk, and she's not.

What is it? It's just a nonsensical saying.

It's the way you say it, and Natalie, please do.

67. What does it mean? You all know I'm on with the kids.

What does it mean?

It's just supposed to be I think.

It's supposed to be a... It has no meaning.

Yeah, it intentionally has no meaning to piss people off.

It's the way you say it. That's why people just 6-7.

You could be like, Why'd you do this that way? You can be like, 6: 7. Oh, my God.

I don't know. I don't think that was it.

It's like if you get frustrated, then it's like, Mission accomplished.

Yeah, I think it's just...

Remember the game?

The movie?

No, I know what you're talking about.

When you're like, I just lost the game. It was a thing where it was just like, you just say, I lost the game because it's like whenever you remember the game, you lose the game. And then you say it, and then everybody gets pissed because then they all lose the game.

Lose the game. It's like cheese touch for Die of a Wimpy Kid fans out there.

That's what this reminds me of. I feel like you bring up Die of a Wimpy Kid more often than that.

It's just like it was a really, really impactful book series and film series on me as a child.

Well, so Dictionary. Com says, The origin of this most modern use of 6: 7 is thought to be a song called Doot Do by Skrilla.

A nonsynsical expression connected to a song and a basketball player is what Marion Webster is telling me. Okay.

Well, I'm seven.

I feel old. I think it is. Did I do it right? I feel like we had things that our parents didn't know what they meant, right?

Well, we were watching, there's a new show on Peacock about John Wayne Gacy, the serial killer. They're pretty decent. They say six, seven in it? No, they say, Far Out. They're like, Hey, your hair's far out. Far Out. Which is like, yeah, something like back in the day.

Like you have a big forehead?

No, it was like a compliment. Like, Oh, far out. It's out of this world. That's so cool. Like, 6, 7.

Got it. Far out.

When I was in high school, one of my friends' dads was like, You know what we used to say all the time? Grody to the max. And I was like, That's an amazing expression. Girty to the Grody to the max.

I used to say that all the max. Early 2000s slang included bling, fashion jewelry, dope. Dope. Dope.

Dope. Dope. Dope. I still use dope.

Fly is a little bit older than 2000.

What about, I'm so down? Oh, fat. P-h-a-t. Oh, fat. Excellent. Pretty hot and tempting.

That was tricky. That was really tricky.

Greatings and fairwells, we had faux chisel.

Yeah, we did have that.

Faux chisel. Mistakes and understandings, no, da, which means obviously. No, da. No, da.

Do you remember Crunk?

Crunk is on here, too. Yeah, Crunk is on here. Wigging out.

Oh, yeah.

Wig. A burn is an insult. A burn. Psych.

Psych. I said that a couple of days ago.

Vanner Pump Rules has released their trailer for the new season on the cast.

Is the pump guy? Was he on Love Island?

No, he was definitely on Perfect Match, no?

Perfect Match.

Is he this one? We all recognize this one? Yeah.

He was on Perfect Match.

Yeah. It was Perfect Match. It was Perfect Match. Chris, isn't that his name? Yeah, Chris Hon. It feels weird. I hate that they used the likeness of all the past cast to open it up. They had to, though. That's weird. If you're going to start fresh and reboot, then start fresh and reboot.

I got chills from that intro.

No, the intro was great, but it's because it's our iconic characters, and they're no longer there. So don't put them in your trailer. And the new cast, it feels performative. It feels like they know what they need to do. They've seen it before. They know the script, the beats.

Well, maybe that's just, I don't know, really. I like TV.

Yeah, that's the thing. You truly can never recreate early VPR because they had no concept of what they were doing, and that's what made it so good. You just don't get reality TV like that anymore in general because it's such an industry now.

I want to watch it.

I'm going to. Oh, I'm seated. But you do.

You do get that in first-season shows.

The lack of self-awareness.

Our show, Age of Attraction. So good. So good. This, they've all seen it before. They know what they need to do. That's why, I don't know. We'll see. We'll definitely take a peek.

Before we get to Shannon Storm Bedore and talk about the OC finale, it is time for the mint mobile Hot Take Hotline.

We want to hear your scorching hot takes, too. That's why we've partnered with mint Mobile to open a Hot Takes Hotline where you can leave us a voicemail message and give us your reality TV and pop culture takes, and we'll listen and react to them on the show.

All right, let's play the first scorching Hot Take.

I guess my Hot Take is I do not like that they have Taylor from the Norman Wives on as the Bachelorette. I just personally think they could have done So much better than her, and especially now with everything coming out, all this drama online and posts. And I'm just not a fan.

I think someone like Victoria Fuller would have been so much better.

And I just want to hear with you guys how everything else coming out about Taylor now, do you guys still think it's going to be a good season? Because I just think they can do better. I know they're grounding, but like, come on.

I don't think that's much of a hot take. I think a lot of people actually agree with you. I do think Victoria Fuller would crush as Bachelorette. Absolutely. Yeah.

A hundred %. We did not submit this.

That was not me on the phone, I promise you. I do think she would crush, although I think regardless, it's going to be a good season because I don't think Taylor can be produced. I think who she is is who you get, and we love that person on Norman Wives, and I think she'll be a great bachelorette. I think it'll be a different season than what everyone's used to, and maybe that's what a lot of people are just scared or nervous about.

I'm excited for Taylor. I think Victoria would have been great. The stuff that's quote, unquote, coming out has been out before. I just think a lot of new people who are like, O. G. Bachelor fans and maybe didn't jump on the the Norman Wives bandwagon early are just... It's thinking a lot of stuff is being regurgitated. To Nelly's point, the Bachelor franchise leadership is a hot pile of dog shit right now. I mean, it is. Just the They had the scandal a year ago when it came to the executive producers and a lot of internal drama. They have been trying and new showrunners. There's still more drama coming out on the streets, so to speak. The Golden Bachelor, I think, was just a hot, stinking pile of trash.

Don't forget Bachelor in Paradise.

Golden Bachelor was good.

Yeah, Joan was good. But then they should have fired Mel after he put out those statements. The showrunner, again, I know a a lot of people. Maybe they're biased, maybe they have an ax to grind. I don't know. But I've heard some reasonable criticisms that seem to have come to fruition. So we'll see. I'm rooting for Taylor, Frankie Paul, and I'm rooting for the Bachelor franchise. But I mean, while Nalia says she can't be produced, they still need to produce the show. And I think a good producer would know how to work with someone like Taylor, Frankie Paul. The question is, are they going to lean too much on the Bachelor playbook and not be creative? How are they going to use the star that is Taylor Franke-Paul and marry it with a legacy show? Their ability or inability to do that will define its success.

I say let it be messy, and then we can always reign it back. But I'm like, Try something different. Let her go the distance, and then let's see how people react to it. Versus already being afraid because she's different from any cookie cutter idea of a bachelorette.

Because we can always dip back into the arsenal. We can always pull Victoria Fuller unless she is married or in a relationship. But we can always find Susie Evans or whoever else from Bachelor Nation. But yeah, let's just see what happens here, and maybe it.

Also, our caller didn't offer any new idea. I mean, a Victoria Fuller, I guess, was her one idea.

Which is a great idea. I stand by it.

I feel like as someone who's not locked in in Bachelor Nish, I'm I'm actually really excited to watch Taylor Frakey Paul as the Bachelor. I'm intrigued. Yeah. I'm like, I normally I watch it because we talk about it here. But even if I didn't work here, I would be watching this season. You know what I mean? So I'm excited.

Well, this is the second call.

Hey, household. This is Shannon calling from northeast Michigan. I love listening to the show. I also love watching you guys review The Lakehouse for Nick's family, and I think that's just really awesome. So enjoy Up North. But my hot take is about Love is Blind. I thought it was strange that Anton got the alcoholic take when Annie was blackout drunk every episode. Yeah, I felt bad for was it nick? She was partnered with. I feel like he wanted to say something about it, but was afraid to embarrass her. So yeah, I think Annie should be taking some heat for that. I think she also had a DUI conviction.

So that's my hot take. Thanks.

There are rumors and speculations fish and floating on the internet about Annie. I saw those, yeah.

I agree with this call her.

No, she's not wrong.

I don't think they ever showed Annie… I feel like we saw more examples of Anton drinking or him getting home from work at 6: 00 in the morning and going to the fridge to open up a beer and Ali voicing like, Hey, that doesn't feel normal, or like, Hey, we had the conversations, and yeah, maybe nick was a little bit too nervous to have those conversations Annie. I think the only time we had her talk about being super drunk was after the rodeo night where they're eating. He's like, I just want to eat my Chalupa, or whatever they're eating, the Choco Bell. But Ali made it a thing. Yeah.

Well, that's the thing I was going to say. Ali asked him, I guess, beforehand what his lifestyle was like, and Anton led her to believe that he didn't really drink like that.

He lived like a clean lifestyle. Yeah.

So that's why I'm like, that's why I think it became highlighted. Whereas Annie, obviously, they didn't have a conversation about her drinking or beforehand because it was just her normal behavior, I guess. Right.

Thank you, Shannon. And thank you so much for following The Lakehouse. It's been actually so fun.

All right. We got one more hot take before we get to Shannon Stormador.

Hi, team Vial files. This is Kat.

I I have two really quick hot takes.

First hot take is that Jordan from Love Is Wine needs to be the new bachelor because if they're doing this with Frankie Hall, then why can't they pull someone from Love Is Wine? And he's like, so sweet, so So innocent. I think the story about his kid is just the whole thing.

And he's so attractive.

Number two, Joe is my favorite person from the season of Love Is Wine. I love him. I thought he carried the whole show. I thought he was the funniest person.

He is a mess, don't get me wrong, but he did carry the show.

The rest of the cast sucks.

Everyone else was in show.

He was super sweet, lovely Jordan.

That's going to be his new name. Yeah, those are my hot takes. Thanks for sharing. Bye.

Interesting take. Here's the thing. I can tell you why Taylor, Frankie Paul was picked as the best threat, and while Jordan will not be, but there is hope for Jordan. Taylor is part of the Hulu/Disney franchise universe. Yeah, synergy. And these platforms are becoming more and more isolated. Nelly and I are part of the Netflix universe now. We've been claimed.

People don't want the competition. They don't want that.

Jordan will not be considered, if for no other reason other than that, even if he was perfect. But Netflix is coming out with, I think, if Harry Jousy has his show. Let's Marry Harry. Let's Marry Harry. But what we've come to learn, I think, is that whether he does or doesn't get married or engaged, you don't make a show unless there's a possibility for a season two or three. But while this is very much like the Netflix's Their Bachelor, so they could find a Jordan. Let's Marry Jordan. Let's Marry Jordan. Any man or woman in their universe that really on these shows or someone they found. Let's Marry Jess Vestal. Let's Marry Jess Vestal. They could have their very bachelor type of show. Good idea. I think that is the Netflix point. Or you, Kat, could slide into Jordan's DMs. Or Joe. Let's marry Joe. Let's marry Joe.

I agree with... I did love Jordan and Joe a lot. I mean, Joe, low-key, seems evil in a relationship. Not going to deny that.

That just seems like a putz.

Yeah, I'm just like... Joe doesn't have a problem dating, though.

If there was anyone that I think at a party I would end up just hanging out with and having a really fun conversation with. Joe. It would be Joe. Joe and I would vibe.

He's pretty funny.

I don't think he carried the season, though.

Carries a little strong.

I think Sparkle Megan low-key carried the season.

I don't think anyone carried. I think it was evenly distributed.

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All right, well, it's time to get into I think we have a rapid recap before we get to Shannon.

Of course, we have a rapid recap because Mary works hard.

Oh, my God. Thank you.

Well, if you missed the most recent episode of the Rural Housewives of Orange County, here is your rapid recap. Gretchen thinks lethargic and cathartic are the same words. Shannon only does mushrooms in Amsterdam. Tama is willing to be a swinger, but again, only in Amsterdam. Then the women enter a house of horrors, a. K. A. A room with photos of themselves. Tamra asked ChatGPT, just like nick, to make a friendship contract for her and Gretchen, you will never be Cynthia Bailey and Nini Lynx. Heather spreads her dad's ashes into the Amsterdam River. Shannon has her price tag sticking out of her ass, 10 out of 10, iconic no notes. The girls channel their inner Lance Armstrong doing drugs and then riding bikes. Then we finally get to Chekow's alleged problematic Instagram post. Gina brings it up. Tama makes it clear that Jesus loves gay people, too. Heather Bro is seeing red. Shannon cries. Gretchen denies it and says she loves the community, but is also super chill about the whole thing. The girls are like, Okay, prove it, bitch, and make her take another car. But they're also like, Gretchen has only been nice to gay people, so this is all really confusing.

The girls finally realize Tamra planted this, and Gina was the patsy. Tamra just thinks karma's a bitch. Then it's revealed that Tamra has been leaking info about the season to bloggers and the press. Overall, what is going on in Orange County? Honestly, that was a crazy ending. And your poppies already.

We have a new intern, everybody. I feel like a really- Here's French. French. I think we should give him a nickname.

Oh, my God.

We'll find it.

We have an intern at the Wild Files. We made him get us coffee. Wild episode.

Crazy.

We got my sound bites that I've been waiting all season for.

Do we want to start lighter or do we want to start heavy?

I think we go all the way to the end.

There's really only one discussion.

It's only dark.

It's fun, silly fluff, and then you get homophobia, allegedly.

I was just going to say I couldn't hang a day with these housewives in Amsterdam.

It's either homophobia or using homophobia as a way to try to ruin someone's life and weaponizing that against someone, which-They're both terrible, and I don't like either of them.

I felt like Tamra was really the only vocal one to the point where it was like, you're really doing a lot. It felt very Lisa-esque on the yacht being like, You're really pushing hard against Gretchen here, really trying to push a narrative.

I don't get the whole, you're too calm. With Lisa, we criticized Lisa in Salt Lake City because she was too aggressive, too big, too loud.

Gretchen obviously seemed very caught off guard, is what I'll say.

Wouldn't strike me if Gretchen isn't that tech savvy. So when you're like, Hey, you like a bunch of things, you're like, Oh.

You know what I'm saying? It wasn't even a bunch. It was one post. There were multiple that were shown.

I'm just saying if someone... You're like, Gretchen's first thought wasn't like, Well, that's not possible. She probably doesn't know it can be faked.

She was like, I don't know. I scroll fast and like things. And I have to say, I don't scroll fast or like things, but if River gets a hold of my phone, there is absolutely no telling what I have gotten into.

I do understand that she's reacting too calm, though. I think the conversation should have ended with what Heather was saying, not what Tamara was saying when Heather was like, You do need to defend yourself in this moment. Sure. She could have offered anything but silence, but she was just silenced.

She got there. I mean, she was obviously crying at the end.

She did after, but at the table, she could have said it.

I think it's a real dangerous thing to assume, play judge, jury, an execution, or based off of someone's emotional reaction to an accusation.

I think her raw reaction was when she called Slate And that's exactly what I would have done in that situation. I'm calling nick. These women, at the end of the day, they're not my best friends. I haven't seen or hung out with them that often over the past few years. And she knows Tamra's history. So I feel like, yeah, I'm stepping away. I'm calling my husband, and she is crying on the phone with her husband being like, I don't understand what's going on. They're saying this. I don't know what to do. He's obviously reacting in like, Whoa, what the fuck? That's not you. And then we have preview for Reunion, which was what Gretchen told me when I saw her at that movie premiere of she has spent thousands of dollars with the cyber analysis team to uncover where the post came from.

In theory, you could argue that she spent thousands of dollars.

To scrub it.

To scrub it or just to say she spent thousands of dollars. That doesn't necessarily prove.

I will say I've seen articles talking about this from two years ago before she was on the show.

Yeah, I think my biggest issue with this is that I don't know if I think Gretchen liked these posts or not. I think the most likely chance is that it could have been Gretchen was following these accounts. You know what I mean? And that also is a bit troubling. But then also, neither here nor there. Exactly. I followed a Larry David account that turned into an OnlyFans account out of nowhere. So I get it. I think the biggest thing is just, Tamara, you sat on this for a year. I don't know why that wasn't immediately... If we knew about it, all of these women knew about it.

Well, that was my problem with Tamara throughout the years is that it's like, again, she constantly is the one that is always bringing up other people's stuff, and we never know anything going on with her. So that's why I can't talk about the Shannon interview, can I?

But Shannon has a lot to say.

Shannon does have a lot to say.

But it's like, even in the beginning of this season with Katie, it's like, who brought all of this stuff about Katie recording Shannon? Tama. Who's bringing up the who got roofied and talking to Kiki Monique? Tama. It's like none of the other women are bringing this stuff to the forefront So it's like, why does Tamra constantly feel the need to bring other people shit to the forefront?

It's just like, I want to see these women fighting over caviar. I'm just like, I'm so sick of it.

Haven't we learned after Roni and other shows that you don't need to go to a level that reboots the show?

You don't have to go this far. And then also to see at the end of the episode that, I mean, they're speaking to who? D arth Vader on the phone, but being like, giving them every single beat of this season. And it was portrayed in a way where it Definitely came from Tamra's voice of Tamra and Katie get together and find common ground.

Where's that coming from?

She took the high road walking out of the party.

She took the high road walking out of- In Tamra's defense, the Bravo sleuths will know every plot of a season before it's even aird.

You'll find a picture, you'll find someone who's the waitress.

Or was it Tamra the whole time?

Who knows? But every franchise that happens, so she gets 2% of the benefit of the doubt. Then once the blog gets a chance, of course, they're going to be It was Cierra.

My thing is the spinning of the narrative of I'm the victim. Gretchen always does this to me for the big reveal to be you're the one that's calling bloggers. You've got Katie kicked off the show, essentially because everybody hates her because she's talking bloggers.

Now you're your best friend.

You're the seasoned vet.

For the record, I did not enjoy Gretchen this season. I do want to make that clear.

I did, and that's why to me, I'm like, I think I stand by.

It sounds like you don't believe Gretchen.

No, I stand by the fact that I think Heather should have had the last say in it. She said it in the sprinter van, which she's like, she has a personal stake in this conversation. The whole time at the dinner, Heather was just like, You do have to prove something, so prove it. Then, Tamara was the one that was screaming and making a drama. I feel like it should have stopped at Heather, and I think we have to wait to see what actually happens.

Final question before we get to Shannon. How much do you guys feel like Bravo has a responsibility here? They chose to go along with this. They chose to let this play out. The fact that some of these housewives feel the need to do stuff like this, that it's gotten this dark, and that they go along with it. You could have producers being like, Guys, what are we... This is not the show. What are we doing here?

That's a good question because even when Anne-Marie was on Beverly Hills we all hear about scenes that were cut of Anne-Marie. So it's like there's... I think it's an interesting question. When do you just remove it?

Well, because Anne-Marie, it was the whole thing. It was like the allegations against her husband, which like...

We're serious.

Yeah. It seems like if that... How is that not fair game? But this is. You know, it's like...

Well, you can argue that husband versus actual housewife.

Are you kidding? These women go after each other's families nonstop. I mean, Meredith Marks, you want to talk about husbands? You want to talk about the husband?

It's an interesting question for sure. I don't think there's a yes or no or do this or do that.

I think what's interesting to me about this is if these posts are in fact real, which I don't know if they are. I really have no idea.

Is it okay to say that I don't know how old they are? I haven't seen these posts, so I don't know what they are.

If you look at what allegedly she liked, it's pretty disgusting.

Do we care more about the person and how they actually speak and interact with the queer community? What if five years ago, Gretchen did say something or do something incredibly bigoted or insensitive, but since then has educated herself and immersed herself in a community with queer... I mean, what do we care? I mean- Yeah.

I mean, I don't disagree with you at all. I think what I'm trying to figure out is just if these posts are real, Bravo would Again, people knew about it. As soon as Gretchen got announced, Cee and I were talking about it. We saw that these posts were whatever, and I didn't know if they were real or not. And that's why I've been a dick to Gretchen this whole season a bit. But my question is, if they they are real, Bravo absolutely knew about it. So if they are real, why are you putting this woman on the show knowing that Heather has gay and trans children? That's just my question. It just doesn't make sense.

It's a little dark. Also, you do have Bravo out there letting Gretchen speak about her innocence, and they're promoting going into the reunion, Gretchen, that might be innocent, and I don't think that's a coincidence.

I think we should wait and see what she has to say. That's why I think Heather was like, speak. Give us a chance to believe that this is fair.

In general, I think it's a weird storyline, and I don't like it very much.

The big question is, does Gretchen and Tamara both survive this? Yes. You think they both can survive?

I want to bring back Gretchen. I want to bring back camera.

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Hola.

So good to be with you. How are you? You brighten my day when I see you.

Okay. All right. Thank you.

You do.

You have a- Very kind.

You have a spirit about you that I enjoy. You're funny. You're funny.

I think I was here right before Halloween last year.

You were because we did that- We did the witches from Halloween to our boo. It is It's a happy anniversary. Congratulations to another banger season.

Thank you. It wasn't a lot about me, which I was quite grateful for.

Yeah, I guess in the best possible way. Yes. We obviously have a three-part reunion, which I'm very excited about, but we have a lot to unpack about the season itself. Okay. But how are you feeling? Let's just catch up with Shannon first. Outside of OC, how's your heart?

How are you? It's good. That's good. I say this often, but I've always defined my life in the relationship that I'm in. I did try a little bit of a relationship on the Love Hotel, which was a disaster.

Are we okay? I just wanted to check because-Oh, yes, of course.

Okay. Of course. I'm just direct, but I did text you right away, but it wasn't mean. It was just honest.

It seems like you guys have agreed to just coexist. It's It's done.

It's done.

Specifically, Love Hotel, there was a there, there for a moment?

It was a dating show, but I wasn't really a part of a dating show because I was with one person the whole time. I know that when I watch certain dating shows, I want people to work out. I really tried after the show was done to maintain my relationship, and it just didn't work. I basically been single since then because I'll To be honest with you, watching it back, I made myself vulnerable, and I was mad at myself that I did.

You were mad that you made yourself vulnerable?

Well, it's just because I got hurt. Because as I was watching the show, six months later, I remember that I really did care about this person at the beginning. I don't want to get hurt, but I'm good being single. I did just come back from New York where I did go on four days with somebody. Oh, my God.

With one person.

She's like flex. Oh my God. Did you get some?

No. I need a connection in order to take that next step. I'm very old school.

You didn't find a connection after four dates?

No, there's definitely a connection. There's definitely a connection. But he lives in New York, and he's a... I don't know.

You're in the process of connecting.

Yeah. I'm not going to say anything. He's very private.

Did we make out, at least?

Well, there might have been.

Yeah.

Just a little. Good for you.

Let's go. Did you get another dog, by the way?

I did get another dog.

How's Archie handling that?

He loves it, but it's a lot of work. The rescue said he was between two and three. He's really one. There's a lot of training still necessary, but they're both happy, so it's all good.

Four dates is exciting.

Well, I was there for nine days, so that was half the time.

Every other day. That sounds... I don't know.

That's consistent. Yeah.

He's a very kind man with a big heart. For me, that's probably the most important thing that I'm looking for.

We're still talking.

I texted yesterday that I'm home.

Yeah. Okay. I got home. Did he get a I got home safe text?

Well, he said, Let me know that you're home, and I said, I'm home. And he said, Glad to know you're home safe.

That's nice.

Sounds like a gentleman.

There's a there, there. Yeah.

You should send them a nude today. Okay.

Oh, you're funny. Just, you know?

We'll see. I'm having fun right now. Whether I find someone in my life or not, I'll be good either way. But I want the partner. We don't really talk about what I do or my work. He doesn't know. We walked out onto the sidewalk one day and someone said, Is that Shannon Bedorn? He was just overwhelmed by it. He's like, Wow, they were really nice to you. Who are you? That's what happened with us.

I told her I podcasted. I was believing in my Chevy before when else was.

What a complete opposite from John Janssen, housewife fucker, to a now someone who's like, I don't even know what that is.

Well, this person is a private person, but he really is a private person, unlike others with that label on it.

May I ask? You can tell me to shut the fuck up at any point when it to this part of your life. But what does he do?

You can say shut the fuck up.

You can say shut the fuck up. He doesn't do it? Okay.

I don't think much. Independently successful. Yes.

I love that. He doesn't do much because he doesn't have to anymore.

Right, I think that's what he think. But we didn't even really get into that, too, because I just want to get to know the person.

How did you guys meet?

Through mutual friends. Best way. I mean, it's just four dates. Okay.

No, but it's fun. Yeah, it's fun.

Four dates in nine days in Gen Z The terms is basically-Okay, we're getting married.

That is a pretty heavy commitment.

How was it? I mean, you weren't, obviously, a focal point. Obviously, last season was very... Well, I don't know. Last season, Looking back, you did have a lot of support.

Oh, I did, and I'm beyond grateful for it. I think I said to you last year, I didn't even want to come back on the show. I was so nervous because I thought that I wasn't going to be able to crawl out of the hole I dug for myself. I take full responsibility for putting myself in all of the situation that I was in last year, but it was tough. It was especially tough to watch back because I remembered how I was emotionally. I just kept focusing on getting through it, getting through it.

Who, now that the season has wrapped, you guys are obviously done filming the reunion. Obviously, we'll have to shoot it. But where do you feel like your closest relationships lie with your cast at this moment?

Well, I'm going to say that I'm close to pretty much most of the cast, minus one,Tamara. Tamara. Yes. That's a really nice place for me to be. I can remember so many seasons, I start out with I have a micro friend, so it's quite nice, and I pretty much kept in touch with everyone.

We're Katie fans, and we couldn't help but notice that Katie hasn't really been on the show. Obviously, we I would be upset if someone filmed me, to be clear. But you were done with Katie. Where do you stand with Katie today?

As a housewife, I'm going to say never, say never. We did have some looks with each other at the reunion because it's a doozy, but I haven't spoke to her. I think that what I didn't make clear, number one, I immediately apologized for me overacting. What happened was I felt very, very violated. Because of the explanation of what happened is not accurate. It's not true at all. Nobody knew that I was upset that day. I did my job. Nothing was delayed. But the false story out there is frustrating for me. But I was very close to Katie when it happened. We had just come back from London four days earlier, and I had left that trip early. I was spent and very down at that time. To know that that happened four days after she was giving me basically an enema in London. It'll be pretty close to that.

It's personal. Yeah, it's personal.

She's standing outside the door. That's trust. It is. That's why I felt so hurt. We'll see what happens. There was just a lot of inconsistencies. By the way, not one of us, to my knowledge, said, I'm not filming with her. It was like, the next time we film, Where's Katie? She's not here. It was not... Oh, interesting. This was no concerted group, let's ban her at all.

There was no turret discussion of banning Katie.

As far as you can tell, you didn't talk to any producers or collaborate with your cast members.

Absolutely. You can see at the beach party, I say, Is Katie coming? Someone says, No, she's not coming. I say, Oh.

Why do you think she was put on pause, quite literally?

Well, I think that's because if you really look at the stories that were told, none of them add up, and they just kept growing and growing and growing.

What's your opinion on what you think Katie needs to do, if anything, to get back into three-part question, your good graces, the rest of the women, and be welcome back next season?

Well, I think number one, and I know it might sound corny, but is to tell the truth. She did take accountability, which is part two, take accountability. For me, she took saying, yes, I did record you, but her whole explanation of what happened, none of it is truth-based.

Remind me in the audience, what is the truth that you think is the truth and what you need to hear from Katie?

I just think that she needs to say, I dug a hole for myself and I didn't know how to get out of it, so then I just created more untruths.

Can you remind us of the specific… I mean, truly, I forgot I forgot what it was because I know she's talking to bloggers and inviting them to her wedding, and there's those relationships. But what specifically is the thing that bothers you the most of what you want her to come clean about?

Well, I just think that for all of my cast mates, I myself had dinners with her where she would say, I know this information about this person. I would say, I don't want to get into that. I don't want to. She did it for each person, and that's hurtful. I'm the I had a friend, and you and I texted about this, that when someone says, Well, she hasn't done anything to me, so I don't have a problem with her, when I see someone do something unkind to someone I care about, I'm diving in.

Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Nothing I find more irritating than when people say. When they get offended by you questioning their loyalty to you or how close you are as friends, and then simultaneously get mad at you for having an expectation of them because they don't want to distance themselves from someone who, they say, didn't do anything to them, is the most horseshit thing someone can say.

Welcome to reality TV.

To my reply is like, Hey, now We know where we stand. We're friendly, we're civil, but you're not my friend. I can't count on you. We're not ride or dies. You're not my... If I called you my best friend, I'm not calling I'm telling you that anymore.

I spent some time with Katie off camera. We started out the season with her reaching out to Jen and I saying, Let's do something for the fires in Los Angeles. I really helped. I got the restaurant They donated the food. We did this very small neighborhood type fundraiser, but I was very instrumental in helping throw it together. We did spend time together, and I really enjoyed her company. We always had a good time. That's why I just was so shocked about certain things. Then the stories changed. Just as an example, Gretchen told me that she was drugged and went to the hospital. Then it turned into Gretchen got a toxicology report at the hospital, which, by the way, had that happened, Gretchen would have run to anyone in the press to show them that years ago. Then it turned into Sheena Shay was the one that brought all this up. It turns into ridiculousness.

Do you know the truth at all?

Do I? I do believe that all of us, when we have a microphone strapped to our back, we misspeak all the time. I was there when Gretchen heard that Katie had said this story that she claimed she'd been roofied, and I was in shock. Gretchen was blindsided by it, and she was just very confused. I get processing that. Look, I said to Bronwyn Burke once when I was mad at her, Don't accuse me of things that I do. Well, I meant to say, don't do. I forgot the word. I could see that Gretchen said, I should have gone. She meant to say, I should have gone to the hospital because she felt so sick. I believe Gretchen in that because I also, I was just in New York last week and I had a long chat with Kiki Monique, and she was sitting right there. I don't think Andy Cohen is going to employ someone who doesn't tell the truth on his radio station. Kiki Monique does a reality check with Dorinda Medley. So there you go.

Yeah, that's true.

And do you believe that Katie never showed Alexis the recording?

Well, the reason why I don't is because Heather DeBrow said that she called Alexis, and Alexis said, Yes, I heard it. So I don't know. So I would believe Alexis over Katie. I mean, I don't know. That's just what I was told. It doesn't matter either way. The fact is that she did it, and I felt violated because I was really down at that point.

Yeah, that's fair.

I'm assuming that she does apologize to you at some point.

Do you- Well, she tried to, but I sat down with her after we went to the Golden Door, and I tried to help. I said, If you're going to truly apologize, no apology, but. Don't say, but. She did apologize to me for recording me, but there were buts. Yeah. There were buts. It was my first season. Okay, none of us recorded each other in our first season. And?

It also seems like you're similarly having, not an issue, but with Jen, for example, because she's been pretty close friends with you from the start of the season, from last season. And then we have you throwing her this beautiful bridal shower. And then the conversation between her and Emily, where she was acting as if it was ridiculous. How did you feel about that?

It did hurt my feelings, because just be honest with me. But at the same time, I think it was a little taken over the top by some of our cast members saying, Why are we even going to this thing? We're on a reality show. Why did we go to a cake-decorating party when Tamra had just done this to our table? But we did. We showed up. I wanted to do a garden lunch in a beautiful spot in Corona Del Mar. I thought, Well, let's do a little party for my friend.

Did you think that Gina was a little bit out of line asking that, or she was just stone or on trumes or whatever?

Travis Chris and I moved back in together. That's something that we should celebrate. I'm sorry. Season 20.

As I say, are you planning a party for her next season?

It was a little out of pocket for Gina to say that, but I definitely feel like Jen was way more on the wrong.

Right. But Gina said, Jen, you said this was ridiculous. Jen did not use the word ridiculous. She just said that she feels uncomfortable with that stuff.

Watching that back because it's what's so fascinating about the show is most of the time, when we leave a room, there's always like, listen, the mental healthy thing to do is to not give a fuck what anyone's saying about you when you're not there. The self-indulgent psychotic thing that many of us do is being like, What are they saying about me when I leave a room? You, ladies, unfortunately, unfortunately for us, have the benefit of finding out sometimes what people are saying about you guys when you leave the room. Why did Jen feel the need to say anything other than thank you?

I don't know. Well, she said that before the shower, so that's number one. But no, that's the worst part of the show for me. I know what I film. I do not know what everyone else is filming, and that's why it's hard to watch the show because my feelings still get hurt. Gina is really good with like, Oh, we're on a show. Just let it roll off. Not so much with me. But it did hurt my feelings, and we talked through it. I think that's the sign of a good friendship as well.

What's your opinion on the amount of time Tama and Katie are spending together right now?

I just feel that with Tama, there's just a lot of precalculated type of thing.

It's a good move.

This is me getting a little bit nasty, but Let's look at three of the dark dramatic moments of the season. Shannon was videotaped without her knowledge. Gretchen is telling the people that she was roofied. Three, Gretchen is liking the This text string. Who is the one that brought each one of those topics to the show? Let's not forget that she knew about all of them for quite some time. She held them in her back pocket, and she was the one that got to decide the timing. Let's make it peace with Gretchen. Let's make up on a swing high up in the air, because in two nights, we're going to expose a text string that may or may be authentic.

Interesting. Well, let's dive into that because obviously, Season 19 ended with a lot of… Well, it was a very cliffhanger ending. I imagine we're going to get to the bottom of it during the reunion, yes? Yes.

Now, it's a very unique reunion.

We talked about it last week's episode of Reality Recap, and that, yeah, we live in a time on the internet, especially with AI, that you have to be very discerning about what you see. Certainly liking someone or comments or things like that, it can be very damaging depending on what those comments and likes look like. But again, I think you have to be careful jumping to conclusions. I think most people nowadays, on the finale, was it the finale? Where Tierra's like, Well, there's comments, too. I think it was Gina who was like, Well, maybe likes can be manufactured. It's just like, Oh, comments, was Tierra's I think the average person is like, Yeah, how do you fake that?

That is when she had a private conversation with Gina. That never came up with us, that there were comments. A lot of times, maybe when you tell the truth, it's just really easy to keep track of it all. It's consistent. Because it's the truth. You don't have to think of, Oh, could I have said that before? But the bottom line is when we all saw just the first post of this horrible post that said- You're aware of what these posts are? Yes. We were just all shown one in a string. It was shocking, and we all did react because I'm not thinking, Oh, AI. I'm flipping '61. I don't think about tech stuff. I'm just thinking this is absolutely horrible.

You trust your eyes.

Yes. You can see as a cast, we were all really upset about it, and to the point where ride home alone. But what doesn't make sense is that Gretchen is a kind person, and while she does have her issues with Tierra, she was nothing but kind and didn't have any issues with any of the other cast. We all did go back to our room, try and find the text.

On a scale of one to really problematic and just… Because I think Aaron said something I haven't seen, or I try not to go on the blogs or be careful about rumors, but I think it was Gina who said something about she just can't see Gretchen like hate campaign. How hateful were these alleged- They were horrible, and they didn't show it.

But I remember just being blindsided and in shock myself, and I kept leaning over to Jen, who was sitting next to me, saying, her life is over. There's arguing in a reality show, and then there's going for life damaging topics. If this comes out and is actually true, I mean, she's canceled or however you want to term it. She's done. I think we all were… It just didn't make sense. In the finale, Heather, Jen, say, This doesn't add up. Something doesn't add up. This isn't Gretchen.

You're telling us that we should be cautious before we're jumping to conclusions to believe what is being alleged?

Well, a lot of this will come out at the reunion, and Gretchen does not and I following some of these accounts. She followed quite a few accounts. I think that it's opened up all of our eyes. We all went back into our Instagram to say, Okay, who are we following and who really are these people? Because you'll see a topic. She's very faith-based, and this is what she's told us, that I could see a nice religious post, and so I'll follow, but maybe not knowing who they are.

There's some validity to that. I mean, I used to post shirtless Bob Ross paintings and roller-skating videos, and now it's podcasting and dad content. People change their- People evolved. The pages can evolve. You can follow something, not pay attention to it. People and pages do get radicalized. I followed a Larry David, Curbier Enthusiasm page, that ended up posting OnlyFans content out of nowhere.

So things happen.

I mean, that's what she told all of us. Okay. That makes some sense. But then she's very calm, too. A lot of people were saying she should have been more upset about all of this. I think everyone processes being blindsided a different way. I don't know how I would have reacted. I probably would have been a little bit more angry, but you can tell by her facial expression, she's just trying to figure it all out.

I didn't know what these messages or these things were, but I honestly didn't know. I wasn't expecting you to tell us to be careful what to believe.

No, it's horrible, disturbing hate rhetoric against the LGBTQ+ community.

If we're not supposed to believe them, I guess, is this being manufactured?

We all said to Gretchen, at the very end, This is your responsibility. She says to Heather, Heather says, Prove it to me that you didn't do this. I think I say it to her as well. Emily says it to her, You figure it out. I said to or figured out. Do you think does- You might see some things at the reunion. Okay. Come out.

All right.

Do you think someone else will be held accountable within your group?

You always walk away from a reunion, and it's just a blur. I can't answer that question. I really can't.

Just thinking out loud, if they're not real, if Gretchen is able to successfully prove that these were manufactured by someone- Yeah, someone.

It doesn't necessarily have to be a cast member. It's just by someone.

If it is a cast member.

I mean, that's a big thing. That would be pretty not good.

It would be as bad as if- Reality van Thys. That'd be worse than that. Yeah. I mean, if you're falsely accusing someone that could ruin- Ruin their lives.

Ruin their lives. Ruin their lives. By the way, this season has been We'll find out. But on a few cast members, there are a lot of very, very opinionated viewers. They will reach out and send very nasty, threatening, very threatening DMs to a lot of our cast mates, putting very horrible labels on them and threatening. It's been a very different season. Look, we all went back to our rooms and said, This is not the Gretchen that we know. This doesn't make sense. Then topics will be discussed at the reunion related to this string of hosts, I guess you would say. Mm-hmm.

Did Alexis and John get married? Yeah, they did. Did Jen go?

No, she did not. But she did text. Jen did text Alexis saying, Good luck today. Then Alexis called her and invited her to come on the day of. On the day of? But Jen was busy. On the day of? Yeah, Jen was busy.

Going back to the Gretchen of it all. Sorry. If It does. For whatever reason, we come to find that they are authentic and that Gretchen, these likes are real and these potential comments are real. Where do you go from here with Gretchen?

I mean, it I think that you can see how all of us would feel because you see it happen in real-time. It's just there's no... None of us have any space.

It would be hard going forward.

Absolutely. I think I say in the finale, most of my friends are from the LGBT+ community, so I can't be close to someone that would do that. But again, you'll have to watch at the reunion and see, is Gretchen capable of doing this?

Do you want Katie back next year?

Well, I don't know. It's not my decision.

Well, I'm glad you said that because first I wanted to ask that question, but then I have a follow-up question, and let's just play a game. Do you like games? I like games. Let's say it was. Let's say you have not just Shannon the person, but you're the producer. I want you to... And a fan, because I watch this as a fan, too. I understand as a human being, you have to preserve your mental health, and you're like, I don't want to fuck with this person. It's like, but if you had to wear all the hats from the fan's point of view, from a producer standpoint, obviously, as a cast member, you should consider yourself. It's only fair. Do you cast... Is she good overall for the show? Regardless of how you might feel about her personally.

I remember in my very first season, I wasn't getting along with Tamar and Heather. The showrunner called me and said, We're going on an all cast trip, so you're going to film with Tamar and Heather. You got to get yourself on that trip because it wouldn't be believable that I would go. We did come to Amends, and they were actually genuine. But I would have a very similar conversation with Katie, saying, How do you see yourself herself being able to integrate back into the group and what are your intentions to try and get there?

What would you cast her?

Well, it would depend on the answer. If she were to say, I'm steadfast and I'm sticking to every single thing that I've said, I would say, Well, that's not going to work.

That's good. I feel like there needs to be... If Katie just is, I have nothing else to say than anything I've ever said, and this is all I'm going to say, then I guess there's maybe no point. There needs to be some arc.

What is your plan? If you come back, what is your plan, Katie?

Same question, but about Tamara.

Wait.

If you were a producer, would you cast Tamara?

You know what? I've said this many, many times. I can be angry at someone, but I would never want to interfere with anyone's livelihood. I never say, Oh, this person should be fired, or I want them fired. It's just not good energy.

Would you want to bring Vicky Gunvillson back?

Always.

Always? Yes, always.

Why? Why hasn't that happened?

I don't know. But nick, I mean, come on. She was on your show, and she's in part of a yard, and she's complaining about it. She's doing her favor. That's just Vicky. It's classic.

It's amazing.

Which I know a lot of people think I do, but I don't take myself that seriously. It was one of my favorite interviews.

I can imagine.

She's a kick in a pants. Off her rocker. Yes.

Love her. She's just silly and fun. I have some silly moments that you see, but there were a lot more that you didn't. That's what I enjoy, being goofy and silly. I mean, not purposefully, by the way, but just keeping it light and fun.

Would you ever do a wife-swap housewife edition?

With a single person?

Yeah. There's not single other parents. We only have to give love to the- Sure.

Of course, I would. Bring the daughters in town.

It could be with the kids.

Yeah, no, of course I would.

What is your opinion on Slate?

Okay, you know what? I have to tell you, for all the people that have mocked him and criticized him over the years- Which we have. Okay. He and Gretchen have been together for 16 years. They have a beautiful daughter, and they are really, really happy. There have been a few things. I've been getting some prank calls recently, and I texted Jen and Gretchen because Jen got them, too. I'm concerned by where I live, and I'll keep it at that. Like Slate said, Let me come over there. I'm 10 minutes away. We can go to the police station and file a report. I'll take you. That's very kind. He's been nothing but kind to me.

That's a good point. I mean, listen, I only know him through this show, so I'm at the mercy of what I'm being shown.

But through the show years ago. Okay, you see him a little bit.

The flashbacks. Yeah. But my lasting memory of Slate is him doing stand-up comedy and body-shaming the cast. I'm not like, Okay. It's mostly predicated on that. But you make an interesting point, and maybe I'm biased. But listen, I do think when you look at a couple like Gretchen and Slate and you see what they've built together, that says something about people. Your ability to... I would say the same thing about Tamara, too. I respect people who can seemingly have a long relationship, make it work and have a family, whether it's with kids. But how people are with their community does say something about who they are.

Right. I mean, 16 years. I was married for 17. They're right out there. Yeah.

That's not to say if you get divorced, you should be questioned, but it's just more to...

But they are happy. Gretchen says that they're even in a better space than they were at the beginning. So I'm happy for them.

That takes a certain level of, yeah, of character and understanding and humility.

Did you feel like that was his place to share the voice or talking about the camera in the studio with the boy band?

I wasn't there. So that was a lot. But again, I remember camera telling me that story when I started the show. I mean, it was in the press. That it happened? The quote allegations. There were some stories in the press about it. It's not like Slate was bringing it up for the first time. Let's just look, if the tables were turned, would camera have brought it up? She said that Jen had an affair with another person before Ryan, which is very damaging. When she was confronted with that, Tama said, Oh, I was mad at you.

She did say that. That is true. Yeah. Man, you guys do a lot. I'm just like, Oh, yeah, that all happened.

I get mad when I hear some of these mean things that Tama does because I really enjoy this aspect of the job and get to meet you. I always get mad or sad when I have people on that I know it's like, I'm going to piss off Shannon.

Oh, no. I know it's different. No, I'm good. I'm good with it. It's part of the deal. But I think when you go for that jugular, you can criticize people make light fun, but when it gets to character damaging issues, that's when it's maybe too much.

Do we have any more questions for Shannon before we send her on her way?

Earlier, you were saying that tamer holds on to pieces of information to then release it when it's an opportune moment. Correct. It felt like in the beginning of this season that she told about Katie's recording and Katie's drama, that she started the drama between all of you and Katie. Then with it coming back towards the end with her now being friends with Katie, is this because do we think we were trying to put the heat on Katie to take it off of Tamara, or once the women started coming against Tamara, she split-flopped?

I think that a lot of the times with Tamara, there's deflection. For instance, at the lie detector test. Let's just not forget that none of us had seen Tamara since she quit the first time out of the three. She walked right back in. She walked into the lie detector thing. When Katie failed all her questions, you didn't see this scene, Tierra was right there going, You're a liar. I remember looking over at her thinking, Wow, this is a gift for you. You don't really have to address the fact that you quit because everyone's talking about that Katie just failed the lie detector test. In fact, Tierra said to Katie, You are dead to me. It's interesting that they're close today.

Katie was also the one that put out the information about Gretchen or the possible Roofie. I'm just wondering if Katie might be taking a lot of hits here where I'm like, We're trusting what Tierra says, but not what Katie says.

I mean, it's a very good theory, isn't it?

Katie came out and said that the man who was running the lie detector test is known for doing. He's a bit of a fraudster. These types of things a little bit… He is like, Oh, yeah, you pay me extra, and I'll give you the results that you want. Do you believe that Emily and Gretchen would do that thing to Katie?

Oh, no. I don't think that Gretchen had I had no idea that there was going to be a lie detector asked at all, but Emily did. But again, there aren't that many lie detector people that are going to go on camera. I think that was just... Although I have no idea. I'm not in production, but they set it up. I have to tell you, I was scared. She Oh, that's what Tamara said when she was there. Oh, Shannon. No, it's just I'm wacky a little. I have dreams sometimes. Nightmare is like, You're a liar. I'm not a liar. And they say, Lock her up. It's been a nightmare in my life. I was very worried. I didn't know what they were going to ask, but then he was funny with me.

Before we let you go, going into the reunion, which is this coming Thursday part one, what do you want fans to just Just, sometimes when we watch things on reality TV, you don't control the edit. Some things we're not fully paying attention. Is there anything that you would say, Hey, when you watch this, I want you to consider X, Y, or Z. Don't forget blank or blank.

With me or with the whole show?

Just anything you think that we should be discerning about and just make sure we don't forget something so that if something is shown in a certain way. Well, there's a couple. Okay.

First of all, when it to me, Shannon Storms Bedore. I would say if you're watching an interview confessional and you're hearing Katie or Tama describe what happened or what's going on in my head, Tama hasn't known what's going on here for a few years. So not a reliable source. As far as the show goes, we've talked about the finale. It is. It's just a really dark, dark topic. So just everyone, before you react like we should have done, take a breath and just step back and say, Does this all make sense? The other thing is, Somebody quit three times. Are we going to talk about it?

Do you want to talk about it?

Do you want to talk about it? No. I mean, each time it was like, You'll never see me again. Well, I'm sure I'll see you tomorrow. And there you'd see her, the next event. But we never got the explanation. I don't know.

Did you know that Tamra had taken a Xanax at that dinner in Louisiana?

No, I didn't. We only had more than two drinks because most of those were with me. But the two drinks, half a Xanax thing.

Did you recognize that when she came into your room?

Yes, because I said, Wait, what is in your glass? And she said water, but it was yellow, wasn't it? I didn't think that she had taken a pill, but the girls thought she had. I just thought she was very, very drunk. Now am I going to get in trouble? Why? It's my opinion.

How are you feeling post... I mean, obviously, this was a really long time ago, shooting-wise, but post your space cake.

Well, in the finale, I don't know if you remember, but I might have dabbled in something called a medicinal mushroom. I still thought. Maybe when in Amsterdam, I'll take another space muffin bite.

It's always a pleasure. Thank you. Thank you for coming. Thank you for having me. Maybe we'll... Well, let's just make this a regular annual thing.

Yes, the Halloween-ish time.

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I I love her.

She's so funny.

She's so funny. She is so iconic.

You guys should go to Shannon's Instagram and look at that promo we did with her. It's really fun.

The promo is so good. Nobody was hurt in the making of that promo. Nobody would do that.

But my chin.

Yeah, she did bob. Justin did.

She had a concussion, but I think she's okay.

I think it's safe to say, Clearly, Team Gretchen. Yeah.

Oh, Shannon. Yeah.

Was very vocal about, Reunion gives a lot of clarity.

Which interesting. I think it's a very touchy subject for all these women because of, obviously, the context. This is not anything I'm hearing from Shannon. This is my interpretation. But I think obviously Shannon wants to be very sensitive to the conversation in the queer community. I think she was nervous about how does she, before the reunion, say anything that sounds like she is defending Gretchen out of fear that people would find those that to be insensitive. But I think the big thing is, let's just wait and see because a lot is supposed to be revealed at the reunion. All right, it's time to get to some Love is Blind. We have Ali and Anton up next. But before we do, I think we have a Love is Blind rapid recap.

If you missed the reunion of the Real Housewives of Love is Blind. Here's your rapid recap. I don't know. Miles Smith sings as the cast from Season 9 walks down the steps. Jordan is in a tux, and Anton looks like he accidentally wandered in on his way to the dentist. It's official. We were wrong, and the US son was right. Megan is a mom to a two and a half month old baby boy named Brooks. The other girls say that's why she was looking thick, which is one way to congratulate someone on new motherhood, I guess. Apparently, Megan and Mike went on a few dates after the pods, but it didn't work out, and Jordan finally clarifies the difference between type 1 and type 2 diabetes. Thank God. Casey swears that all she wanted to do was protect Patrick, but she also won't give him the ring back. Patrick gives Casey the floor to apologize, and after some buffering, she finally does and gives Patrick the ring back. But not for long because they play a game of basketball where she wins it back. Casey may not have found love in the pods, but she is now qualified as a walk-on for the W UMBA.

There it is, Mare. And maybe Casey is keeping the ring for Joe because turns out they dated after the show. Or if you ask Madison during the show, question mark Eskimo sisters, Kate very briefly dated Brenda after the pods, but then Casey and Brenda were all over each at a party. Casey, Girl. We finally get to the bottom of why Ali and Anton flopped, pun intended, and KB and Edmund clear the air. It's Jordan's birthday, and his present is Blake and protein ice cream. That's a wrap on season 9.

Good job, Leo. I found myself, I I feel like Joe was a villain throughout the season, as was Casey. I felt like Madison and Patrick really didn't land their plane, so to speak. I felt like they both came out ready to dominate and really wanted to get the sympathy of the audience. And it really felt flat for me on both fronts.

It was really weird. Yeah, I think it's like with Joe. Joe definitely came off as the villain just because it was like, you shouldn't have been engaged to her. You obviously weren't that into her. And I feel he panicked, and I feel really bad for Madison in that. Madison got fucked over, but I don't think Joe is an evil, despicable human being. And then with Casey and Patrick, I'm just like, there's too much going on. Again, you guys should have just never gotten engaged.

Madison really clearly wanted to... The truth is, Joe got asked a question about their physical appearance, and he gave an answer. Whether he should have or not, he did. I don't think it's a crime to have a preference. It's insensitive it was. But I just think it's a little heavy for Madison to really just blame him for all her mental health problems because of that comment.

I think it was absolutely insane that we spent so much time on Casey and Patrick, and they weren't even a couple on the show. That was way too much time over two people I, at the end of the day, don't really care about and about a ring that I also don't care about that truly does belong to production at this point. The fact that Vanessa made them stand up and give that ring back to each other was the craziest waste of five minutes of my time. Chris Paul, does he not have anything else to do? Why is he there? He didn't have a game or practice or anything he could have been doing.

At least he's not going to illegal poker games. That's true. He's staying out of trouble.

Yeah. I don't understand why the Love is Blind Reunion is going to have a musical guest and a basketball performer. It just... Basketball performer.

Why was it outside? Everyone's hair was glowing.

It's getting lip gloss. People like that, though. I saw when they released the trailer, everybody was like, Oh, finally, we have an actual reunion.

But then it was like- What did it make it actual?

Yeah, a studio is pretty legit.

That's what I thought because then I was like, So they're in the enchanted forest? I was like, That's cute.

They're going to mix it up. I didn't really have a problem with it.

They are getting blasted by wind, though. I did notice that.

I mean, like She's trying to talk about having her baby, and she can't get the hair out of her face. We could have- She looks like Meredith Marks on that beach. And all of those lanterns were swaying. It kept me.

I was going to say the creative director said, The Love is Blind reunion. We're also on the Amsterdam trip, taking the shrooms and we're like, You know what? Let's do musical guests.

We should be musical guests. Also, speaking of musical guests, if we're going to have a musical guest and you're going to pan to the audience during musical guests, teach everyone the words. I mean, it's like, give them a script Gift, give them the lyrics, let people learn the song before he comes out. But you're panning to people who are saying the wrong words, and it just doesn't...

Or think of America's Got Talent where you're patching someone else that's swaying or take it so it looks like a reaction.

Yeah, they would not They would not... They would sachet away if they were lip syncing for their life is what would happen. Also, Miles Smith, weirdly, was at the... If you guys watched the Stealers game in Ireland, he was the musical performer there.

I mean, he's phenomenal, but it was just like, what a waste of his talent.

I know. Dr. Patrick in the Ring, when he's like, It's not about the money.

What money? You didn't.

Is he planning on calling? What's it about then? It's a year and a half later.

He kept saying Principal. Principal, though.

He lost me on that. Principal. He should have just I was like, No, honestly, I don't need it. I just like...

And he should have been like, him being like, I'm doing this for you. I'm giving you a moment to apologize so that people can stop hating on you.

I'm giving you this- That was crazy. That was crazy. He really lost me.

He was putting the words in her mouth. I I just need you to say, I'm sorry, Patrick, that I... And she was like, Don't tell me how to apologize. And it's true. It was just like, this is really you giving her your moment, huh?

There was a TikTok. It was Anton and Joe joking about drinking. Did you guys see this? And then it was Patrick also in the TikTok. And I was like, Why? Okay. I feel like you're losing the narrative for me here. Yeah.

Also, I mean, it felt like all of the women were going after Casey. I think Madison and Kate. Also, Kate, why she was a mainstay the whole time?

Kate's with all the friends. Every photo-up, every event. I think she's just part of the group.

She's part of the group.

I'm not a huge Casey fan, but I do... She was messy as fuck in those pods, which is fine. And afterwards, obviously. But yeah, I'm just like, Madison. And I really like Madison. But I'm just like, Girl, you and Joe, obviously, we're not going to work out. You chose a guy that was obviously a little bit of a slut, and it didn't work out.

It seemed that Madison was still hurt over the breakup. That came across very obvious to me. It wasn't like, Oh, I've grown. I'm a bigger person. I don't give a fuck. You weren't for me. That was not the energy she was giving. The energy was very much like, I'm still grieving this marriage.

Which is crazy.

Which is crazy.

I didn't think she still was. I felt like she was performing her grief.

Well, don't you have to lean in anyways?

They're trying to make a reunion. They're trying to make a reunion.

Oscar.

Perfect match.

Yeah. I felt like Anton was giving a little- A little underdressed. Definitely underdressed.

The way he was also just like...

Yeah, he felt so chill. It felt like he... I guess his girlfriend was there, so maybe he wasn't trying to perform.

It's totally a year and a half later, it's like, Why do I even care? He moved on with his life.

Which I think is the right take to have after a year.

Yeah.

Yeah, but if everyone is chilling, moved on with their lives, I'm like, What are they going to talk about?

I'll just never be on... I will never be like, Oh, makes sense for someone to be like, Yeah, I work a night shift. I come I eat breakfast, I watch a little TV, and I maybe open a beer. That's a strain of events I will never be on board with. It's like I work the night shift before you go to bed. You just go straight to bed, and then you wake up at 3: 00 PM, and then you go about your day. You don't watch TV and drink a beer after your night shift.

That's not the TV part. It's the beer part.

It was all the chain of events. I get home, I make breakfast, I watch TV, and I open a beer.

Yeah, it's a whole event. It's a whole...

That's your whole day. Go to sleep. You've been working all night.

Isn't he Russian, though? Yes. They drink. They be drinking.

It was weird that she never brought up the conversation with the girlfriend in the bathroom, Ali, to Anton.

I just think she knew she was done. Even for her to say that the biggest ick was hit up.

That's true. We can definitely ask her. She's here. Well, great. Actually, you know what? Let's just ask Ali why she never had that conversation. Had that conversation. Also, I understand the flip flop thing.

The biggest ick being flip flops, I feel it, too.

I don't understand what was wrong with his walk? Did he have a weird walk?

Anton.

When he came out? She said flip flops and Baha.

No, she was... Nick was like, Maybe someone else will appreciate his walk. It was weird. I was like, How does he walk? Does he walk with a length?

I think something out of him.

What's happening?

nick just throwing a jab.

He doesn't glide.

I don't remember being phased by his walk at all.

Well, we do. It sounds like we have a lot of questions for Ellie, and I think she's ready. She's here. She's ready to join, and let's bring her on. Hello. Hi.

How are you guys? So good.

How are you?

Good. I was in the wrong link, apparently. Sorry about that. That's okay.

Glad we got you here. That's all right. Not your fault. You're here now. That's what's important. Yeah, I'm excited. Well, let's get right into it. We just watched the reunion. How did you feel about the reunion? What did you love?

What did you hate? Going into it and leaving.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Going into it, I was honestly so excited because I didn't really feel the cut throughout the show was very reflective of me as a person. And so going into the reunion, I was like, yes, this is my chance. I get to really put everything out there. And then, unfortunately, we were the last ones to actually talk during the filming, and so timing was very limited. A lot of it was cut short. Then for the final cut, even, things that I said didn't even make it. I was like, What the heck? When do I get to share my side of things?

Well, Ali, right right now. We don't edit here, so you got as long as you want.

Well, with that said, what are the things that you said at the reunion or wanted to say that didn't make air, that you're hoping that people get a chance to hear from you?

Oh, my gosh, there's so much. Let me pull out my list.

Pull it out.

It's tough to know where to start because honestly, there was just so much.

Starting with the pods, none of our story was really air. You didn't get to hear any of our serious conversations or talk about what we wanted our family unit to look like, what our roles would be, children, finances, everything. Everything was discussed in the pods, and you got like, Oh, Ali fell in love in two minutes. And so that just wasn't really a good representation. And then obviously going into Baha, there were so many scenes in there where I thought they were so cute. We had such a romantic dinner, like beachside. None of that got air. We were feeding each other strawberries. So just lots of cute little moments between us that didn't make it and didn't really show our story as a couple. And then obviously a lot more going into reality, too.

Do you feel like had they had shown maybe more of your conversations about lifestyle and family values and what you want your future to look like, it would have made a little bit more sense as to why we saw some of the disagreements and conversations that we did see later on?

Yeah, I mean, absolutely. Anton and I very much agreed on him being the provider. I think something that adds a lot of context, honestly, is just the fact that we did have those conversations. Then also my work week was a three-day, 12-hour days situation as a nurse at that point. The whole not cooking, not cleaning, that whole situation was like, Yeah, during my three days where I'm exhausted and trying to just make it through my shifts, doesn't mean I don't pick up after myself in general or don't clean ever or cook. I cook very healthy meals, and I like to keep things simple, but I do cook at home. And so that would have added a whole lot of context.

I guess getting into, because I think one of the only conversations we saw between you and Anton at reunion was the, why didn't you discuss the conversation you had with his friend's girlfriend in the bathroom? Why did you never have that conversation with Anton? I think your answer at reunion was that you just had a lot going on. You don't really remember exactly why you didn't bring it up. And to Anton's response, he was like, We sat at the bar and had a drink, and you refused to talk about it. Do you remember that specifically at all?

I do remember us sitting at the bar. I think it was a situation where it was, I don't want to talk about it at all. It was definitely like, We're out with your friends. Let's just enjoy their company. Let's get to know each other better and get to know your friends and just have fun is what the theme of that day after filming ended was. Then I do think because of so many things going on, I just didn't bring it up. Now, looking back, I'm like, How did I not talk about it? But I do know that myself, I am avoidant. Being avoidant doesn't really help the situation where a lot of times it takes me more time to process things, to be able to be ready to talk about it. That was really the situation at dinner, and then I'm sure something like that after as well.

Can we talk about it now?

Yeah, we can talk about it, of course.

What did you guys talk about in the bathroom?

I think you pretty much heard the whole bathroom conversation. In the pods, Anton and I talked about how both of us grew up pretty religious. We stepped away from religion for a little while, and then the last, the recent year had come back to it. So that was actually something that we really connected on was growing our religion together and wanting to do that. And so obviously somebody's past, we all have a past, right? My concern was with it being a recent thing and us having shared our religion, how that wasn't really something that he talked about. And I had to hear that from somebody else. And then the drinking conversation came up later, too. That was the general theme of our conversations was not really talking about it fully, but more so defensiveness when anything did get brought up. It was hard.

Was that friend conversation, the first moment where you thought, Anton might not be as upfront about how much he drinks, or there's a disconnect with what my perception of his drinking is versus the reality of it? Or was there a different time where you had a, Oh, moment?

I think the first time that I started realizing that maybe I don't know the extent of Anton was actually in Baha. I did talk about this at the reunion, not the specific thing on its own, but he had a vape the whole time in the pods, and I was like, How did you get a vape? We weren't meant to have anything on us. I don't remember if we discussed vaping or smoking specifically because we had so many hours of But at this romantic dinner that I mentioned, we were in front of these beautiful rocks and the sun was setting. It was such a great dinner. Here he is just like, ripping his vape the whole time. Production was like, Anton, put your vape away or we're going to take it. I started to get a little bit of distaste in that sense where I was like, What else is there that I may not know that is a daily habit for you?

Was it a tiny little vape or was it one of those big smoky things? Things.

No, it was the full machine.

That's crazy.

In 2025, 2024 had the full machine.

Is he going to a hookah bar?

That's crazy. He does go to hookah bars. I think he did share that with me, which I enjoy hookah bar every once in a while. I don't think there's anything wrong with them. But I did not realize the extent of the vape use until that dinner. I was like, Oh, my gosh.

A lot of people watching the show picked up on when you guys had the reveal and you meet each other for the first time in person. I'm sure that's just a world win, and you probably black out, but maybe you did notice. But we all noticed that instead of looking back at you, he poured himself another glass of champagne. When did you first realize that? Was that watching it back or in real-time?

I didn't really think of it much in real-time, but you do see a hint of... I'm like, Hello? I was literally standing there waiting for him to turn around, and he didn't. I knew he liked his champagne, and that's fine. To me in that moment, it wasn't an issue because like you said, it is a whirlwind. There's so much going on. As much as we have been around cameras prior, that reveal is really an intense camera situation. There's cameras freaking flying. There's a whole lot more stuff or production in the background than we ever had before. So it is like, oh, my gosh. But one of the other things, too, is he did propose. People think he didn't propose, but he did down and give me the ring.

Okay. And that was the ring that he bought or Netflix gave to him because I know you all had a little conversation about that once you got to Baha as well, and he made it seem like he bought it?

Yeah. That Baha conversation, or I guess to address the ring first. That was a Netflix ring. He did not add any of his own money. I don't believe any of the men added their own money to the ring.

Because they have the option, right?

They do have the option. I don't know that anybody goes in expecting to add more. I definitely wouldn't have expected him to add more to the ring at that point. In context, on that ring conversation where I'm like, Five, it should have been at least 10. Obviously, this was a free ring, right? We did have a conversation prior to that little Baha convo where it was like, Let's update your ring in the future. Let's get you something nicer. I want you to love your ring. I'm like, Absolutely. I want to love my ring, too. And so as far as the ring conversation goes, the private chef conversation goes, the Botox conversation, all of those were so light-hearted. And I think that's really something that people are missing is that none of these were really serious things. It was just, honestly, on my end, trying to make him comfortable and trying to keep things fun and light because he had a hard time just being himself around me. And that's where a lot of these silly, goofy little convos, including the makeup, when we were sitting in those chairs asking to put makeup on him, that was just me Hey, we're here.

We're together. Just talk to me. We're just having fun. It's not that serious. Because a lot of times I felt like it was almost impossible to really get a conversation out of him in person.

I was just going to ask, when did you realize? Was in real-time as we were watching you, realized he was drinking a lot of the alcohol that you had at home? Or did you come across that earlier?

There was just little blips of conversations about it prior. But in that moment where we are filming and I'm like, Where did it actually go? Is where I was like, This needs to be discussed. A lot of our conversations that were more, I guess, emotional were off camera, and we chose to keep it a little bit more private. That is a regret that I have because it would have added so much more context to our story if those would have been on camera.

What were some of those conversations?

Just normal things like finances and moving to Florida together and kids and everything as far as expectations or how we act together as a couple in a group setting, everything along those lines as well.

Some of his family members had some very harsh things to say about you following the wedding that didn't happen. Has he addressed that at all, apologized, or offered any context as to why that was said?

No. I guess this is another thing that is really highly upsetting. The comment from whoever that female was, I have no idea. I never met her as somebody that was part of his life, so I don't know her to that extent. So that itself doesn't really have a lot of weight to me. What I was hurt by as far as the alter is we didn't have a conversation after. And so after I said no and explain myself, Anton said, That's fair. And that didn't make cut. I feel like that would have added a lot of understanding because he did agree with me when I expressed my side of things to him. So saying that's fair would have made the world of a difference to the context of our relationship and his understanding and his role.

I know that, obviously, as they're filming this show, there's definitely a mantra of just stay open, be open, get to the end, so to speak. That being said, from the human side or the reality side, you start getting a feeling of which direction you're going to go one way or the other. Do you remember the specific moment? I'm sure you stayed open to maybe things changing, but when was that moment where you were like, I don't think I can I'm proud, don't think I'm going to be able to marry this guy.

Yeah, not the actual flip flop moment in Baha. Not that. That was something that was cut out of the reunion where I was like, lightheartedly the flip flops and we're on such good terms. It was such lighthearted joke. And then I went into the real reasons that I ended up deciding to say no. We did have a conversation, I would say probably three, four days prior to the wedding where I was like, Hey, just so you're aware, I don't know if I see myself being able to get there with you. And that's when I really just laid things out so openly to him. And I was like, You haven't been yourself. I feel like I can't talk to you. You don't greet me when you come home. You know, Just so many things. I discussed how he eats junk food all the time, or at least the time did. Wasn't super healthy and active and drinking beers after coming home from work and ruining your sleep every night, essentially. It was very much minimized the amount of drinking. It wasn't one or two beers, and it wasn't one or two nights a week. It was more than that, and that's why it was a concern.

Yeah, it's interesting because obviously people have different perspectives of how much a lot or a little is. But to your point, he was clearly defensive. If it's not an issue, if it's normal to him, then be like, Yeah, I drink half the tequila.

I was I had.

No, I drink all 12 beers and the tequila. And I had my friend over. What's the big deal?

We got that tequila at the airport on the way back from Baha. That gathering wasn't that far into our reality. So that tequila bottle was meant for us. I'm like, I didn't get any tequila. I want some tequila. Like I said to my mom, even on the day of the wedding, I was like, I drink. I think drinking is fine. I think drinking is great in social situations. It makes me more comfortable. I love to have a drink or lots of wine to go to sleep every once in a while. It's not a daily thing, and I think it should be mostly limited to social settings. But that's really where the concern came from.

At the reunion when the strip club conversation was brought up, Anton's response was, Have I been to a strip club before? Yes, I think most men have, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Yeah. I guess.

Yeah. Felt a little... I was like, Speak for yourself, first of all.

I definitely got dragged there for a Bachelor Party once, and it felt weird.

Yeah. Also, I got dragged there on the illusion that Jack Harlow was there one night during Denver. Jack Harlow was not there, sadly. But I just had such a weird, heavy feeling around me when I was there. I hated the experience. We'll literally never step foot in one ever again. And speak for yourself. I don't think most men have. I know especially most religious men don't go or have never been. And that's something that I made very clear. That's an expectation from a partner. And if that's not you, great. It's not you. But that's my thoughts on it.

I think there's a huge difference from I've been to a strip club as a guy or I go to a strip club every once in a while.

I think there's nothing wrong with that.

To defend the semi regular appearances is like, I mean, I guess, again, to eat it's their own. I do not want to yuck someone's yummy.

Switching gears off of you for a little bit, did it feel as much of a pile on on Casey as it was watching it?

Yes. The booing was It was intense for Casey, and that's why... I mean, I'm not close to Casey by any means. We've hung out a few times here and there, but I felt that I needed to step in and defend her a little bit because of how uncomfortable it was. I truly did feel for her. I think there were some inaccuracies that were shared by some of the other cast members, but that's not mine to talk about.

What did you learn about yourself through this process?

What have I learned? Oh, my gosh. I think, honestly, just learning that what I want for a partner isn't what everybody else is going to agree with, and that's okay. But just being comfortable in what my standards are and sticking by them, honestly.

Love is definitely not blind for me. Have you realized that it's not blind for you?

No, I do think love is blind. I'm not even BSing at all. My reveal, that was the moment that I was truly like, holy shit, this actually could be my husband. I was so excited. We get a day in between the reveal and then going to Baha, and I was like, Let me go buy all this stuff to look good for him. Let me go restock, I guess, all my beauty products. I was so excited. And then it was just very quickly, one thing after another added to me becoming less and less in love with him.

It is totally okay, I think, to immediately break up with any guy wearing flip flops.

I'm getting so much heat for that, especially because they're like, Brazilian men wear flip flops all the time. I don't care. That's great. I'm not looking at a Brazilian man, I guess.

Visors, vests, and flip flops. In short. Shorts, I wouldn't.

Questionable. Yeah, I think shorts are okay. Flip flops and visors, I would agree on, for sure.

Staying in the nitpicky, being a little silly, petty department, were you a little alarmed or frustrated that he was wearing his glasses on top of his head during the reveal in squinting? Because I felt like the glasses really made him, really framed out his face and was a really great look at him. I don't know why he was... Glasses on top of a man's head is just such a weird...

They don't belong there. It's like an egg.

It's an egg.

Yeah, honestly, I didn't even notice him. I can't say that I thought about it. I saw his hair was huge. His hair was two meters above his head, but I was like, Hey, he has a great head of hair. I love that for him.

He does have a great head of hair.

Have you started filming Perfect Match yet?

Or Too Hot to Handle?

Or Too Hot to Handle, or Let's Marry I feel like you are his type to a T.

Oh, my gosh. No comment on any of that. But I'm sure there are some exciting things coming. Love.

Okay. We're sure there's exciting things coming.

We are sure that there are excited things. We do have a fan edit that Justin, part of our team, Sweetboy Justin, he made for you because he felt like you deserved it.

I felt moved by you at the altar at 1: 00 AM in the morning.

So we want to show it to you.

Okay. I love that. Thank you.

That's it. That's it.

That's such a cute song. It's such a sad edit.

You have a fan in Justin.

I am your fan. I love you.

Thanks, Justin. I'm your fan, too.

Any more questions for Ali before we let her go? Oh, I do. I'm sorry. I have one. Speaking of exciting things happening for you, I don't know if this is part of why, but you were like, oddly cryptic about your relationship status on the reunion. I was wondering if there's a reason why. Is it because you may or may not be ending up on TV again? Or are you protected? Because it makes it sound like you are in a relationship.

And he doesn't want to be public.

Yeah. Let me be careful how I talk around this. But people gave me a lot of backlash because they were like, You went on a freaking dating show, and now you want your dating life to be private. And yeah, Yes, I do. I chose to share that part of my life openly on TV, and that was a year and a half ago. So obviously, a lot of time for things to develop since then. But yeah, I think it's really just trying to guard my privacy as much as I can for the time being. Then if there is something to announce in the future, I'll announce it when me and a potential partner are ready.

Okay. Okay. Mary has one more question for you.

I do. I'm just really enamored, by the way, You Pretty Cry. I was just wondering if you had any advice to the girlies on how to pretty cry like that.

Botox.

Thank you very much, diva.

Ali, I appreciate your time. If you're ever in LA, stop in the studio so you can take one of our Polaroids that we have all our guests do and make some content. But other than that, good luck. Maybe we'll see you back on the Netflix screen sooner than later. Otherwise, enjoy the rest of your time. Stay offline. Don't read the comments. Thank you guys so much. Thanks for joining.

Thank you, Ali.

Bye. Bye.

I'm a fan.

I think she's sweet. She's cute. I want to see her on my TV again.

She definitely... Listen, she got the vapid superficial edit. She got the short of the stick.

She got the like, We don't have enough time to portray this entire story. So here's snippets.

And when you're willing to tell snarky jokes about Botox and being superficial, they're always going to use that against you. Yeah.

Just as My girl.

Truly.

Yeah.

All right. Well, we have Anton up next. I am curious about what is the appropriate amount of strip club attendance?

And why were his glasses on his head? Did he not want to see her? Until he got it close. Because those glasses look great on him. Is he nearsighted or farsighted?

Do you think a flip flop is a shoe or a beach-only accessory?

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Antoine, welcome to the show.

Hey, thanks for having me.

First question, did you get contacts? I did.

You did?

Okay, all right. What prompted you to do that after all these years?

Well, I had contacts before, right? I would go back and forth between the glasses and the contacts. But I think after the show, I really just leaned into the contacts full-time.

For what it counts, if it matters, I thought that you looked great on the glasses. Oh, thanks. Whenever I did have them on, I mean, it's like I had them on my head most of the time, I feel. Well, yeah, we did notice that, and we thought it was a little weird. Were you in hear about the glasses? Or why do that?

Yeah, it's so just watching the show back, I realized that, yeah, I mean, I was insecure about it a lot of the time, and it's been an insecurity of mine. I just had them up on my head a lot of the times because I don't need them to see up close, but I need them to see further away. Got you.

Well, I thought the glasses look great.

Well, that's so interesting that you need them to see further away. At your reveal, you didn't have them on, but you were squinting to see Ali. Why didn't you just wear the glasses?

I know. I looked at that and I'm like, Fuck, I look like an idiot.

You know, Lucie can laugh.

I didn't I'll do myself any favors of that, yeah, but you know what? Whatever.

Well, we appreciate you joining us. We know, obviously, this show was filmed a long time ago, so I want to acknowledge that because are you still in a relationship with your lovely girlfriend that we got to see at the reunion?

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, she's great. We've been together for a year now. Awesome. And Grace? Yeah, she's everything I was looking for.

Well, I appreciate you still joining us because I know sometimes it could be a little weird being in a relationship and still being asked questions about an old relationship. But either way, here we are.

No, she's been great about it. She's been really supportive and understanding and just helping me deal with all this, too.

Out of curiosity, She's incredible. How did you broach that subject with her when you first met her, ending filming, knowing that the show is still going to come out a long time from now, a year plus? How did you broach that topic?

Also being like, We can't post photos together.

Yeah, I know. I led with it. I wasn't trying to be secretive or anything about it. I told her, Hey, this is a thing. It's going to come out in a little over a year. I just wanted her to know that that's going to come out at some point, and I didn't want her to be blindsided by it. I was like, Hey, I understand if you would like your privacy and wouldn't want to have anything to do with me because of that. Totally understandable. But this is something that's going to come out at some point. She was like, Okay, well, she was open to it, and she was like, Okay, I don't know how I'm going to go about it, but I like you and I want to be there with you. She was supportive of it.

Okay. First question, how many times do you go to the strip club, and what is normal?

How many times do I go to the strip club now, or How many times did I go to the strip club when I was single?

I guess both.

When I was single, I would just go for my friend's birthdays or for bachelor parties or whatever, things like that.

I would go maybe two or three times a year. Whereas now, I think when you're in a relationship, I think you have to be just cognizant of your partner. If that bothers them, then you should probably not go. But thanks for clarifying. I think I've only been once in the last... Since the show came out, I think I've only been once, and that was for a friend's bachelor party.

Okay. Yeah. Thanks for clarifying. It almost came across if it was every other Friday.

For the buffet. You're getting the T-Bone's date. Yeah, I know.

I would be broke if that was the case.

That is true. A big part of the storyline or your storyline, centered around your drinking and what the disconnect of you and Ali and what you thought was normal and what she felt was normal. We did have a chance to talk with Ali, and we agreed that regardless of what's normal or not normal, what felt a little funny on your part, and maybe you could add context that we didn't get to see, is that you came across as defensive when the topics came out, like specifically the Tequila bottle and things like that. Now that we have you and we know things are edited or things can be taken out of context, I just want to hear your of view about that entire storyline, and how did you feel about watching it back?

Yeah. I mean, watching it back, I definitely felt like from the edits, it seemed as though I was drinking almost in every scene, which I wasn't because there was a couple of scenes that got cut out that I wasn't drinking in and nobody was really drinking in. And so looking back at it, yeah, I mean, I put out a video on my Instagram about this. I addressed it a little bit. I was drinking more than I normally do. I think it was due to just me being really nervous and being anxious and using that as a coping mechanism, which I think a lot of people do on reality TV. Not to say that it's good or it's normal or healthy. It's not. But looking back at it, I think that's what it was. To put some context on the tequila bottle going missing, looking back at that. I mean, this was almost two years ago, right? So I think in that moment right there, we had just gotten back from filming at the rodeo. And so we were both drinking at the rodeo. We both had some drinks, and I genuinely, I had an idea.

I was like, I don't think the bottle is going to be in that fridge. But I was like, Let me check. But it just seemed as though she She wouldn't really be concerned. She wasn't really ever concerned about me drinking unless we were filming. It was one of those moments where it's like, Ha, I got you, that thing. In that moment right there, I didn't really think the bottle was going to be in there, but I was like, Let me check. I don't really remember if I finished it or not or if we finished it because you got to think, she was drinking as well, and it's like in every scene that I'm drinking, she's also drinking, too. It wasn't like she doesn't drink. He does drink, too. Like I said, I was never trashed. I was never drunk. I was drinking more than I normally do, but it's probably not good. Probably not a good thing that that bottle wasn't in there, in that fridge.

Allie mentioned at reunion, and also when we spoke with her, that you would come home and not greet her. You wouldn't say hello. Do you remember that? Do you know why, or is not how you remember it?

It's not how I remembered it at all. When we were back in Denver filming, we would film about three, maybe four days out of the week, and then the other days we weren't filming. On the days that we were filming, I would come home. I was still working full-time, and I work nights, 12-hour shifts. I would come home after a 12-hour shift, and I would greet her, but I wouldn't have, usually, any intense conversations or deep, meaningful conversations. It's just like, Hey, I'm getting home. I want to relax a little bit, eat and go to bed, that thing. She worked nights, too, but she would have different days off than I would, so it overlapped that way. But a lot of the time we were filming, it just happened to be on days that I worked a 12, 13-hour shift, and it was a lot. It was a lot to deal with.

She had a few what she claimed to be light-hearted jokes, maybe about the Botox or about the private chef, and then were edited in a way that made her look a certain way? Do you remember them being light-hearted jokes in the morning, and you were surprised by how it was edited and watching it back or the other way around?

I wasn't really surprised by that. I think it was I think the financial differences definitely played a large part in her decision because we had conversations off camera that were about, Okay, well, where are we going to live? How are we going to move in together? How is that going to look? For her, I think the financial aspect of it was definitely... I mean, I don't know that it was the deciding factor, but I think it was... Part of it was light-hearted, but I think there's some truth to any jokes that she did make about that. I think there was some truth to it.

Going into the wedding, did you feel like Ali was on the fence? What prompted you to say yes? And were you surprised by her ultimate decision to say no?

There was actually a conversation that took place about a week before the weddings. This was in Denver. This was after a day that we were... After we wrapped up filming, the cameras went away, and we were filming, like I said, about every other day. There were signs that she was going to say no. She actually, on the days that we were not filming, she did not want to stay with me at the apartment. She wanted to go back to her place and stay there and not really spend much time with me, which I thought was strange. If you're really on the fence trying to decide whether you're going to get married to this person, you should try to spend as much time as you can with them. She didn't seem to want to do that. About a week before the weddings, we had a conversation, which was just like an off-camera, real conversation. Like, Hey, are we going to get married? Is this going to be a yes or no or what? It was a really genuine upfront conversation. And so she basically said that at that time, she didn't see how she could get to a yes.

She didn't see any way of her getting to a yes. I said, Well, the fuck are we doing here then? Let's just end this right here, right I don't want to waste my time, your time, the producer's time. What's the point, right? What's the point of dragging this out and getting our families involved and all that? And she said that she basically just wanted to get to the altar. She wanted to see that through. In her words, was to honor the experiment all the way. She said maybe there's some way she could get to a yes. She just doesn't know how. But that was how that ended. It left me feeling confused. It left me feeling like, are her intentions real? Does she really want to get married to me, or does she just want to drag it out to the altar and get as much screen time as possible? That's something I was thinking about, and I don't know if that's the case or not. I'm not saying it is, but it definitely made me think that a little bit.

After she walked away, there was a clip of someone in your life calling her a cold-hearted bitch. Who was that person to you?

That's my really good friend's fiancé, who they're actually getting married in January. Happy for them. Shout out, Colin and Brittany. But she's a great gal. She flew in from Florida. She had no idea what was going on. She was completely clueless to everything. I think she just... I mean, did I feel that way? No. Do I feel the way that she felt? No. But I think she She is knowing her. She's just a very blunt, to the point person, and I guess that's how she was feeling. I thought that was a crazy thing to include in there in the end on the producer's part.

Pulling away from you for a second, do you think Joe is getting a bad rap on this show, or do you think he is getting a fair at it?

I wasn't in that relationship. I don't know what... As you guys know, there's so much more that happens off camera, so I don't know. I will say that I'm friends with Madison. I'm really close with Madison. I'm friends with Joe as well. They just both have very different expectations and very different goals. I think that a lot of that caught up to them in Mexico and caught up to them back in Denver. But I think Madison's a really great person. I think Joe's a really good guy. I think that they just weren't for each other.

Who do you hang out with the most?

I hang out with Madison. I hang out with Patrick, Mike. Those are my guys. Joe's really cool as well. Hang out with him every once in a while. It's my pod squad right there. Shelby as well, but she wasn't really shown.

Ali mentioned a date that you all had where it was a very romantic dinner, and she mentioned how she was caught off guard with how much you were vaping. Do you have any response to that?

Yeah, I was vaping a lot. She vaped, too, but I definitely vaping a lot more than her. Hey, you know what? I put down the vape. I don't vape anymore at all.

Wow. Good job. It wasn't like a jewel. It was like a big guy?

No, it was a jewel.

Oh, okay. Got it.

Yeah. Did you ever run into Allie or meet up with Allie or hang out with Allie at all following the wedding?

I think we've ran into each other once, coincidentally, but we don't have any relationship. We don't really talk or anything. I know when the show came out, I shot her a text saying, Hey, hope you're doing good. Hope everything's going to work out for you. Just checking in to make sure you're all right. She just texted me back saying, Hey, I'm good. Thanks for checking in. That was it. We ran into each other at a pool party, I think two or three months after we wrapped up filming. That's really been it.

Was this the Mike pool party where Casey was crying? Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah, there was a lot going on there for sure. Like I said, that pool party was also... I mean, this was also over a year ago.

Crazyness. Any context you want to add that was left out?

No, I think it was genuinely like everybody was there. It was literally the entire cast was there at the pool party, and this was pretty fresh. So pretty fresh after filming. So there was a lot of people trying to connect with each other, a lot of exploring potential relationships and exploring connections and flirting and all that going on there for sure.

Before you met your girlfriend, did you explore with anybody else from the pods?

I'm trying to think. I had a really good connection with another gal in the pods. Her name was Kaylyn. We actually went all the way up to engagement day, and I was either going to propose to Kaylyn or Ali. That's crazy. I never actually... Yeah, I know. That was completely It was made to look as if I only had Ali and I proposed her on day one, which couldn't be further from the truth. But I actually never did explore her relationship with Kaylyn in any way. I think she was not interested in that, and understandably so, right? I mean, I picked another gal over her in the pod, so that didn't pan out to be anything.

In addition to cutting back on the vaping, have you eliminated flip flops from your wardrobe?

Fuck no. Fuck no. I have even more flip flops. Those were flip flops. Those were not flip flops in Baja. Those were slides.

There is a difference. There is a difference.

They're for sale. By the way, they're for sale. If anybody wants to pay 500 bucks for them, I'll sell them. Wow, there you go.

I heard it here first. Antoine, I appreciate you joining us, man. Thanks for taking the time. If you're ever in LA, come check out our studios. Take some Polaroids that we have all our guests to come on the show, do No doubt.

No doubt for sure.

All right, buddy. Take care.

Thanks for having me, guys.

Appreciate it. All right, bye.

All right, bye. Thanks. A fan of him, too.

This is what this show does. You realize that they're all just human beings. Beings. They are just- You see past the character and the edited version, and you just love the human beings. It's that part. That's what this show does.

But it is fascinating that Anton and Ali fell in love in the pods, and they definitely are not compatible.

No, they're not.

They both seem like normal good people, but not for each other.

I love the he said, she said.

I like knowing what hit the cutting room floor, where it's just like there's other context to the conversation because sometimes some things get brought up where they're arguing and you're like, When did this happen? Or, What are we arguing about? And he's like, No, we had a 10-hour conversation about it.

That is why he had a whole other relationship. But that's, listen, they- It's TV, baby. Yeah, it's TV.

It backs up Patrick Patrick, too, because Patrick was like, Dude, everybody had multiple couples. We're like, No, they didn't.

They did. It's also okay. It's a TV show. We say we want to see it, we don't.

Yeah. No. We don't want to see it. I got to be honest, the edit is already really slow. When I watch Love Is One. Exactly. Yeah, I'm just like, I do tend to double that speed.

That will wrap it up for us today. Thank you to all our guests, Ali, Anton, and of course, Shana and Bedore. We appreciate them all taking the time. Do not forget to tune in tomorrow for an explosive Going Deeper with Sparkle Megan and Jordan on the couch together in studio, hashing it out. Leaving it all on the table for a Going Deeper you will not want to miss. And then Thursday, we got a lot of good stuff for you. We will see you all then. Bye-bye. Crazy.