Transcript of JRE MMA Show #177 - Protect Ya Neck New

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We were just talking and I told Rallo, save this for the air. Cuz Rallo, years ago— shit, this had to be like at least 10 years ago, maybe 20.

20 years ago, it was like 2006, 2007.

So 20 years ago, Rallo calls me up and he says, Tommy Lee wants to meet you, he wants to talk to you about something. I go, okay, sure. So we go to see his concert. That was when he was at Rock and Roll Supernova, the TV show. That's right. So he had a TV show, was in Long Beach, right? Right.

You and Eddie came.

Me and Eddie Bravo came. And then, uh, afterwards, first of all, Tommy Lee has the the dopest green room. Like, he sets his green room up like an after-hours party. He's got like tapestries on the wall and candles and lights. Yeah, you walk in like, damn, like, this is DJ gear. Yeah, he doesn't just walk into a cold green room. Like, I'm ready. Yeah, if I go on the road, I just go, what's your green room? I'll go hang out in there. It's like, it doesn't just walk. But he has it set up like everywhere is like calm and relaxing and spiritual. And, uh, so I meet Tommy, and Tommy wants fight Kid Rock in the UFC. This is true.

What makes people think they can do this?

It's for Pam Anderson's heart.

Yeah, well, wait, this is how it started. This is kind of how it started. That was that way with Pam. Yeah, like, you know, they both were married to her, so Tommy and her are always going to be connected because of the kids. So she had split up with Kid Rock And Kid Rock was emailing her, texting her, I guess, you know, still trying to get with her. Tommy is with her, not together, but, you know, they were together that day. And he— she asked him, you know, you're friends with him, can you call him and tell him to stop calling me and shit? And Tommy's like, I don't want to get in the middle of that shit, boy. And she's like, you know, if you know, please. So he winds up hitting, you know, him up and like, look, dude, you know, I don't really want to make this call, blah, blah, blah. Of course Kid Rock took the heat. Fuck you, you know, blah blah. So they're fucking each other back and forth. Goes away. Now there was some MTV Awards thing.

Okay.

And actually, let me back up first. We were in Vegas for a New Year's thing, and there was this rumor that Kid Rock was supposed to come with his bodyguard and like, and come to Tommy's room and attack us. So me, my man Kimo, who you know as well, you know, we're sleeping in Tommy's room hoping they show up, and of course they go to a different room. They do go to a room, kick a door in, nothing totally—

actually went looking for it.

I don't think they went looking for it.

I think it was a big publicity fucking stunt.

They signed some autographs and they keep it moving. So I'm saying to Tommy, I go, yo dude, I go, fuck him. I go, you should fight him on pay-per-view.

Imagine all the money that would make.

I go, I'll fight his fucking security guy.

Like, we'll fucking make a whole thing of it.

And he goes, man, that's brilliant. Oh my God. So I go, you know, I'm telling you, I said, you should do— I said, look, either you fight him and you beat him up, or he punks out and you win either way. And he's like, yeah, yeah, I like this. So he talks to his management. Of course, it just goes by the wayside. Well, they're having some MTV Awards shit. Security's not allowed on the floor there. They had their own, like, you know, it was in this casino. They have security for it. While he's sitting in there with Pam, Kid Rock comes up kind of behind him and pokes him, and Tommy sees him and he goes to stand up and Kid Rock suckers him there.

He hit him?

Yeah. What?

And I'm home. My phone is getting blown the fuck up. Like, what happened with Tommy? What happened with Tommy? I'm like, I don't fucking know. Like, I'm not with him right now. And I get a call. I swear, like 30 minutes later, and it's Tommy and he's going, fuck him. He goes, I'm done with that motherfucker. I want to fight him. I'm going to fucking fight him now. I go, Hughes, I want you to train me. I go— he goes, I'm going to move you out. I go, no, you're moving to me. I go, we're not going to be out here with all your little fucking ass kissers. I said, if you're going to do it, you're really going to do it.

Was he working out at all at the time? No.

So, you know, the only working out he does is on the drums, which he does murder.

So that is a little bit of arm conditioning.

Yeah, for sure.

That's like a little punchy. Yeah, definitely.

Yeah.

And I can show you a picture of him with a choke on me and it's at least legit, like he did train with Horion, and he— I told you guys he trained some with Billy Blank.

So Billy Blank was— I've talked about this on the podcast. He was a bad motherfucker. Yeah, he was one of those like Raymond Daniels type karate point fighting. Yeah, he's a Thai, the early days.

He's a Thai guy.

Yeah, he's a Thai guy, but we'll get to that.

All right.

Yeah, so we'll get to that. Props to Billy Blank.

I bring him in and, uh, and I— he— I told him, I said, look, when we're going to Long Beach I said, I know Rogan. I can have him come in and you can tell him your idea. And he goes, all right, all right. So I bring Joe and Eddie. They meet him. He tells Joe he wants to fight him, literally. And Tommy said his Sanctuary was his management company at the time. I don't know if he still is or not. So they call Kid Rock's people supposedly and offer this fucking fight on pay-per-view. And Kid Rock's people wound up calling back and basically turning it down, saying whoever loses is ruined for, you know, for life, I guess, because looking like a bitch because they both had the rock and roll tough guy, you know, image thing. So, so that's what he said.

Did he say that in print?

That's literally how it, how it stopped.

Was that in print? Whoever, whoever loses this is ruined, or was that?

Oh, no, no, no. That was the, that was the, that was supposedly the response from Kid Rock's management to Tommy's management.

That is correct. He would be correct, you know.

Yeah, but if it's a good fight like a Stephan Bonnar and Forrest Griffin—

oh my God, well, that would be different.

Then they both be revolutionary.

Yeah, I kind of forget who won that fight, Stephan Bonnar, Forrest Griffin.

Yeah, right.

I know Forrest won, but I kind of forget because the fight was so good.

It was amazing.

That was one of the most toss-up fights of all time. Yeah, like, who fucking knows?

And Dana did the right thing, he contracted both of them.

We actually talked about it in the Octagon right before he did it. Wow, did you really? Yeah, he should give both these motherfuckers a bonus. Yeah. He's like, we're gonna do that. I'm like, fuck yeah, it was amazing.

Do you think if it wasn't for The Ultimate Fighter it would have died out?

Who knows, man, but it was like lightning in a bottle because there was another good fight before that. Diego Sanchez fucked Kenny Florian up, man.

It was a one-way beating.

Yeah, but that was Diego Sanchez coming up. Like, people got to see Diego fight too many fights. They got to see the later fights. They forgot what a monster Diego was in his prime. He was an audio animal.

Question is grappling. I mean, Marcelo got him, but But you know, he hung with one of the best of all time, Justin ADCC.

Yeah, yeah.

Diego was a fucking—

I don't know.

Listen, man, you can only get hit so many times.

Agreed. And he was halfway gone before taking off.

He was always like just open-minded, weird thinker. Remember he had that guy that was training him that you had a little bit of a disagreement with?

What about that loser?

Joshua Fabia?

Yeah, I don't mention his name. Yeah, that guy was demented. Well, he had Diego hanging upside down.

He like punched him in the stomach. Yeah, the video's insane. The video's insane. But Diego was like super, super open-minded. Like, he was willing to believe in magic. He was, you know what I'm saying? Like, he believed in himself so much that Diego was like— and he was also like doing weird stuff. Like, he would chew meat and spit it out. He would just chew it down, like get all the juices from it, and then spit whatever's left out. You wouldn't swallow the meat.

But he was fun to watch. He'd come out.

Yes, he was a sad animal. He was a sad— he was a fucking animal. Steve Maxwell well trained him for the fight with BJ Penn and got him in insane shape. But unfortunately, that was the fight where BJ started— that was when BJ was training with the Marinoviches.

He was leaping out of pools.

BJ was unstoppable. Yeah, yeah, there was a time where I would say, watch BJ in his prime, I'll put that dude up against anybody.

BJ, there's no doubt. I always say he's the best 155er of all time. He was like in that window, right? In that window when he beat Matt Hughes.

Yeah, he was a human Wolverine.

Yeah, but you did a lot better with him than I did.

I don't want to bring that up.

I thought you did.

I personally thought you had world championship caliber jiu-jitsu. Yeah. You know what I mean? And a guy like him relies on jiu-jitsu a lot, you know? And but BJ was just— I always— there's two fights, the Kenny— I'm sorry, Sean Sherk fight. The Sean Sherk fight was prime BJ. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then what about Carlos Santos?

What about Jose Ribeiro?

That's another one too. Yeah.

But Diego was like more highly ranked than Joe. Yeah, Rec Cal Uno.

Well, I mean, he was a beast, Matt. Look what he did to Matt Hughes when he took the title.

Yeah, he was a beast.

Matt Hughes was just like, you're coming up to my weight class, right? Yeah, that type of thing.

He was a Wolverine.

Yeah, he was.

The dude would fight people at 200. He fought Lyoto Machida, 200 pounds. That's crazy. Yeah, he was a Wolverine. He did good about that fucking animal and did real good. Yeah, scary on the feet.

Yeah.

A natural 55er who fought as low as 45. Remember, he went down to 45 for a while. Bro, BJ was a monster in his prime.

He was well-rounded too before guys were super well-rounded. Like, he threw hands well.

If he just had the will to go through those Marinovich camps every fight, he would have been unstoppable. Yeah, they just— BJ would, you know, he would just lose his focus a little bit. I watched a YouTube documentary about like the rise and trajectory and then the later years. It was really well done, but it was all just talking about how there's this prime BJ, and that's when he was training with the Marinoviches and incredible conditioning, and he could just go fight and not worry about his conditioning.

Do you think he— it wasn't laziness, right?

What do you think it was?

A lot of friends, a lot of partying. Yeah, he's the king of the island. Yeah, basically the king of Hawaii for sure.

PJ Penn was the king.

Everywhere he would go, people like, it's PJ. I mean, it was the king in Vegas, man, in, in those prime years when he was the champ. He was a huge star, but I'm sure he's a huge star in Hilo. He's probably hanging out with the boys all the time, having a good time.

Plus his family like had influence there, right? They had like money.

He didn't come from poverty, but it's just like that— it just was real hard to maintain those kind of camps. Those camps are insane.

He was also super, super talented, super. And so it's like he didn't have to work as hard to still beat up people, like in practice.

Definitely came easy. His flexibility and leg depth. Oh my goodness.

I remember when I fought him and we were doing a rules meeting.

This This is the time where like we could ask questions like they did everybody in the rules meeting. And I'm in the rules meeting and Frank Shamrock was in his corner and Frank's like, are we allowed for in guard kick him in the head? I'm like, what the— how the hell? Like he was talking about his flexibility just wrapping around the back of my head and kicking me in the head from there. And I was like, what the hell?

Is this guy insane? Right.

I was like, how the hell is he gonna be able to kick me in the head from there? But apparently BJ had that flexibility to be able to do that.

He could do double lotus without using his hands. So like, like sit back and just fucking completely crumple, but lotus. Yeah, like interlocked with no hands.

That's insane.

Nuts.

His flexibility is bananas, and he worked on it. It wasn't just like a natural gift. But how smart was he to figure out if you could use your legs like you could use your arms, they're so much fucking stronger, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, look at this. There he is.

That's nuts, man. I'm saying he can put his own fucking leg behind his head with no hands. That's crazy flexibility.

I'd say he was going to kick you while you were north-south.

Yeah, yeah, he's gonna do that.

That is nuts. But if— is that legal? No, no, there's a lot of goofy rules, right? Like, that's— there's a— I don't think it would be cool to stomp people in the head and soccer kick them, but yeah, at least knees to the head. Because if you're shooting on a single and you're holding on to it and your head's right there. That's a stupid place to be in real life. Yeah, right, right. Let's just— real life, a real fight. Why wouldn't the guy knee you in the head? You're grabbing his knee. If he's— you're, you're all in right here. All he has to do is knee you in the face, and he can't do it because you're on your knees.

And let's be fair, like, a knee when somebody's on their feet is worse than that.

Yes.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, that's not—

it's way more behind it.

Yeah, that's not as— like, if, if you're on the floor and I knee you in the head, It's still not as bad as if me just kneeing you right in the face.

Yes. Yeah, especially if you're like the Michael Venom Page fight. If you ever want to know like what's the most destructive strike in MMA, yeah, the most amount of power you can generate has got to be a knee, a flying knee, while guys coming in, when a guy's like shooting in on you.

The only thing I'm not a fan of is the The kick, the jab, fuck the kick to the knee.

I agree. I'm not a fan of that.

Oblique kick?

Yeah, like, you know, you saw what happens if you hit it right when Khalil did it.

He did Modestus. Yeah, Modestus Bouda.

My opinion there is it's just something that if you hit it right, it's an injury's coming and not a good one. You can't tap. It's not like a kneebar or something. So I kind of think if you can't kick a guy in the side of the knee for that reason, Why should you be able to fuck?

If you can kick in the knees, you should be able to kick in the nuts. Yeah, I'm gonna be real. I need to— what are we doing here?

What are we doing here?

We're pretending like we're a cop and I can kick you in the nuts, right? There's some good cops out there.

I'll just get a steel one.

It's crazy. Like, why, why do we have weird rules like that?

Yeah, it's crazy because like every time somebody gets kicked in the nuts, you say it, you always say it, why don't you get a steel cup? Yeah, the fact that no one has a steel cup, to me After all this time, it's unbelievable.

And it's ultimate cheat code in, in grappling too.

If it was somebody with that thing on—

yeah, remember Amir Ranevardi?

Yeah, yeah, that's a long time ago.

Yeah, a long time ago. I trained with him at Legends and he mounted me and he put his cup in my solar plexus like I was ready to tap from his dick.

Yeah, all right, imagine, imagine my 265 doing that, you know what I mean? And I always wore a cup when I trained, you know.

And it's also fucked as a lever for an armbar.

Oh man, like a rod.

You're gonna slide your elbow past that.

You know, it's a weird fucking look when the guys wear the whole spandex and they have that steel cup, so they got like a dick in there.

The Shoney Carter cup.

Yeah, that's a Yoel Romero. You remember that, right?

Remember that Shoney Carter? I think Eddie fucking talked about it for the entire fight. It was a King of the Cage fight and Shoney was fighting and he had a giant cup on, and I swear Eddie just commentated about the size of the cup.

It was hilarious. In the taekwondo days, they had ones you'd put on over your pants. So you put— you'd have your gi pants on, and then you'd put these ones on over it, and it had like this big strap and go right up to your taint, like right literally to your asshole, and then go all the way up like this. You would strap it in, but it was way better. It was way better.

Was it like a boxing cup?

No, it was a taekwondo— it was just for taekwondo. It was just literally designed to wear outside. And that's when I realized like, oh, you could never wear regular cups. Like, regular cups move too much. It's just sitting there, right? And sometimes your nut gets caught between the cup and your leg when you get hit there. That's way worse.

And I think maybe the UFC should make that mandatory. 100%.

Why would you have to wear a mouthpiece? Why don't you wear compression shorts? Yeah, for sure. Those like the Diamond MMA ones.

That's a cup I have.

I like legit.

Yeah.

And if you don't want to wear steel, that's fine, right? You don't want to have dental floss up your asshole, right? It's uncomfortable, but that's I would think if I was advising someone, I'd say get a fucking steel cup before they outlaw it, because they should have outlawed it a long time ago.

You should have to wear that though. I mean, it would eliminate all the nut shots.

If you're smart, you would wear a steel cup 100%. Somebody kicks you in the nuts, it'll hurt them more than it hurts you. Like, it protects you from everything. It's uncomfortable. That's all it is, just uncomfortable. So, well, I mean, so is fighting.

Yeah, yeah, so is fighting. So is getting kicked in the nuts.

Yeah.

Dude, I can't believe it's legal. I really— it's like one of the— how do you have steel in there?

Who has steel in their dick?

A bunch of guys do. DC wore it every fight he had. Oh, shit. Dude, imagine a guy diving on a double and you hip into him.

Ooh, man.

You're slamming his face with your dick. Your dick is literally metal. Your dick's covered in metal, and that's legal. You have to have pads on your knuckles. Pads on your knuckles, you got an armor plate over your cock.

Yeah, I would definitely wear that if I was fighting.

Yeah, I'm selling them.

I'm gonna start selling them on my website because it's like, there's no way that should be legal. Yeah, like, how is that legal?

I don't know.

It's fucking metal.

You're bringing metal into the equation. A foot can hit metal, a knee can hit metal.

You can do that, and no one— the fact that no one does it It's not.

Well, a few guys do it. We were talking about different guys who've done it that are currently doing it, and I know DC did it, but there's a few guys who still do it. We were talking about it on one of the broadcasts. I don't remember which guys he was pointing out, but there's a few guys. Kenny Florian always wore a steel cup.

But the fact that not everyone—

I got that from De La Garde.

Yeah, for sure.

De La Garde, for sure. Yeah.

Damn, that's fucking—

you hear what De La Garde starts talking Thai No, I never heard. He speaks fluent Thai.

Does he really?

He's got that— he's like a Guinea from Boston. When he talks, he could talk to Thai people. It freaks them out.

Really?

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Well, he's my man. I, I go to Boston to stay with him. Yeah, and his, his wife always cooks for me. What a great bunch of people.

He's a maniac. I love that dude.

The Ultimate Fighter 4, we didn't have assigned coaches and he would just work with us like anytime we needed him. Yeah, you know what I mean? He was great. And he would let us tackle him and fucking mount him and, you know what I mean? Yeah, he was awesome as well. Yeah, he's great, Mark.

He's a really good coach too. Yeah, you know who was really impressive working with him was Kevin James. You know, Kevin James, you know, you think of him as the King of Queens. He worked with Mark a lot, and Kevin's been my friend for years.

I—

but I really hadn't seen him hit pads. I saw him hit pads with Della Grotti. I was like, what the fuck, dude? I'm like, that's good. Like, this looks good.

Yeah, he's like, Mark will make you look good. Mark will make you look good.

He's a really solid coach.

Gave Longo a black eye. He sparred one time with Longo, Kevin James. Longo was walking around like fucking Petey from The Little Rascals.

He's a deceptively fast dude.

Yeah, he's a athletic, you know, for a big dude.

When I first met him, he was jacked. Like, he was— like, he wasn't as big as he got at one point in time, but he's always kind of seesawed back and forth. But he was a karate guy. He was always doing karate when he was younger.

Yeah, he's super athletic.

There he is.

It doesn't look as good there. Yeah, I think that's when he was just getting into it, honestly, right?

But he had—

he was— he had De La Crotte staying with him a while, and De La Crotte was training him.

Yeah, I saw him in Kill Cliff, just like blending in with the guys. Like, he wasn't like standing out. He was just at Kill Cliff, just training. Yeah, blending in with the guys.

Yeah, he's a great guy. I've known him forever.

I just seen him in either Becky or The Wrath of Becky. Oh yeah, that's right. He plays a psycho, and the girl in it is great. It's like the girl's like a little psycho girl.

That's a fun movie.

It's fun. Yeah, I think it's the first one called Becky. And he plays a villain. He plays—

the other guy that did it was Joel McHale. Joel McHale played the second Psycho in one of the other movies. I forget, was that the first or the second one?

I think he's in the second one, The Wrath of Becky. Kevin was good. These are good movies.

Kevin played a good Psycho.

Hey, did you ever see The Knight of the Seven Kingdoms?

No, I haven't seen that yet. I'm gonna watch it though because I'm in the middle of finishing the first season of Game of Thrones— the first year, the first first all Game of Thrones.

Oh yeah, what, you're doing it over?

Yeah, yeah.

Oh, you've seen it already?

But I haven't seen it since like 2015 or 11. Yeah, it's fucking amazing. I forgot so much.

It's fucking awesome.

This, you don't even have to watch any of the Game of Thrones because this takes place 90 years before the first event of the Game of Thrones. Sir Duncan the Tall.

Yep.

And it is so good.

It is good.

So well done. And it's based on the novel.

I'm a fucking nerd.

I, I read the graphic novel of it by George R.R. Martin.

Yeah, yeah.

And I read it back in the day and it was— it's so great. And you know how they have like trial by combat?

Yeah.

In this one, not to give everything away, but he— this guy gets into it, he has to do a trial by seven. So it's seven on seven nights.

Yep.

And it's like one of those things. He's a hedge knight. It's, it's fucking really—

yeah, it's good.

What I like about it is— did you ever watch The House of the Dragon?

Yes.

It's a lot of cool shit.

Yeah, but it's pretty cool.

There's nothing to root for.

They're a bunch of pricks, right? Right. Who's— one's worse than the other, right? I mean, back in Game of Thrones, Jon Snow, we had, you know, Ned Stark. Even some guys that are, you know, even just great characters and some guys that are on, like, the Hound, who's doing like the anti-hero. But with this one, it's just a fucking good solid dude trying to do the right thing.

Yep.

And, uh, and he— and by trying to do the right thing, he gets into, you know, into some trouble. And it's just— it gives you like— it's like, like being righteous and have like real heroics, like, you know what I mean? Like some shit that, that's missing nowadays because it's all about getting a fucking message in there or making some shit diverse, which I love though.

You know what's really funny about it? Game of Thrones. Game of Thrones was like a feminist series if you really think about it.

I mean, it really was.

But without any fanfare, like no bringing it up, no one paid attention to it, but the baddest people on that show were the women. Cersei Lannister was the baddest bitch in the world. Arya Stark fucking killed everybody. Brienne Stark kept it together through all that shit. Brienne of Tarth fucked everybody up including the Hound. Yeah, I don't know. It was feminist. And then you got the Queen of Dragons. Yes, and you got You got Daenerys, the Queen of Dragons, who's the baddest motherfucker on Earth. You literally can't burn her, and she's got 3 dragons. Yeah, it's a feminist series.

I didn't realize that.

It is. It's a completely feminist series, but without having it—

but never even crosses your mind.

Doesn't cross your mind because it's so good you don't care. It's not like dumb.

You haven't watched that theme?

No, I did. And House of the Dragon is the same way.

Right, like there's some of these like Star Wars movies where it's all women generals and you're like, shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. And all the men are scared of them and they all like get out of the room. Like, this is fiction, right? This is nonsense. Even though that's obviously fiction too, it's way better. A lady that has dragons, the hottest bitch around, she's got dragons, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She fucks a bunch of killers. Yeah, she brings them into her bed. Well, because they do a good job of making barbarians—

well, they do such a good job of making them flawed. That you don't even realize that they are the baddest motherfuckers in the world, but they're so— but they're flawed in a way where it's like, it makes them human.

Yeah.

I mean, look at Cersei Lannister. All of her kids gone. That bitch survives. She's got a giant demon that watches over her.

Yeah.

Right?

Like, she's in love with her brother. She fucks her brother and her brother. Remember when she had the— well, I don't— spoiler alert. When she had that, the priest that tortured her while she was in the cell, when they finally got her? Yeah. And she's like, I'm ready to meet my maker. She's like, oh, you're not gonna die.

To death, right?

And then, and then the—

that was John Hollow.

Oh my God, dude, that was such a horrifying scene.

It was such a great show.

Is there a better, like, world, the other thing, universe than that?

No one was safe on that show. You never knew. The, the biggest character could just get fucking murked, like, the next episode.

Pedro Pascal that played that— what was his character? Oh yeah, he got killed Prince Adora. First of all, I never thought they would kill him. Like, that guy's an important character. He's bringing all this new life to the show. Yeah. And all of a sudden you see the mountain get around, he knuckles into that guy's eyeballs.

Yeah, that was so crazy.

Holy fuck, that was like one of the most disturbing murder scenes you've ever seen in your life.

And he was doing great, he was taking a shit on him. He got too cocky.

Yeah, man, worked him over, thought he had him.

You raped her, you murdered her, you killed our children. Some shit like that, he kept repeating it.

Yeah. And strutting around while the mountain's on his back.

Yeah.

Oh. What a crazy show. Such a good show. One of the greatest shows of all time.

I'm telling you, you gotta text me after you watch The Night of the Seven Kingdoms because it's all out. You can binge it.

I'm gonna do it as soon as we're done with this. We're on like season 7, 6 episodes.

Each episode's like 30 minutes, right?

You run through it.

The House of the Dragon never really dragged me in. It was interesting. Yeah, you know, it was like, I liked it, but it wasn't the same thing. Definitely not.

This, I think this The new one is, in my opinion, better.

I thought—

oh, the—

yeah, whatever.

There's parts in it that just get you going like, fuck yeah!

Yeah, hell yeah! I'm looking forward to— I hope they lengthen it a little bit, you know what I'm saying? 6 half-hour episodes.

But I love the relationship between the kid and the—

yeah, that was the whole show, right?

One thing I did love about House of Dragons, when they were trying to figure out who could ride a dragon Oh, that was cool. They brought all those people down there. You have to have some Targaryen blood, and a lot of the Targaryens fucked a lot of regular people, so they were searching for Targaryen blood, just taking people out of the pub and just push them in front of the dragon. That was crazy.

She first—

they asked one of the King's Guard, they're like, you know, we tracked you back to whatever, and he's like, oh, it's a great honor, no, I want to do it. Yeah, buddy, careful what you wish for, motherfucker.

That scene was nuts, dude.

The Red Wedding Fucking happens. Crazy shit.

You couldn't believe it was happening while it was happening. Like, this can't—

because we're taking everybody out of here.

Happening. This can't be happening.

Did you hate the ending as much as everybody else?

I did not enjoy it. It felt to me like they had to tie it up and like, da da da, nice little bow. You know, I would have been almost better if it was like No Country for Old Men style ending.

Yeah.

I think all shows should be like that because life continues afterwards, right? So you don't have to tie it in.

I'm not 12.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Once it got past the books, it took a hit.

Yeah, well, that guy's a genius. I mean, the world that guy created and the complexity of all the characters, like Tyrion Lannister and Tywin Lannister.

Mm-hmm.

Oh my gosh, Tyrion Renly. Yeah, yeah, man. I mean, that guy was so fucking good, man.

They're already doing the, the Sworn Sword, which is the second book of Game of Thrones, of the Dunk and Egg tales.

Oh, nice. Yeah, awesome.

That's his writing too?

That's his, yeah. He did 3 books. It was A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms, which they just did. They're gonna do A Sworn Sword, and then it's The Mystery Knight. I don't know anything, but I know a lot of Game of Thrones shit. Don't ask me about anything else.

Game of Thrones and Star Wars, man, you're my go-to.

The world's so fucked up, you're way better off with that stuff in your head.

That's why I do it, man. It's such an escape, man, just to sit home and watch TV.

That's all I do, man.

Sit home and watch TV.

Speaking of Star Wars, I got a text out of nowhere from George St. Pierre. He loves it as much as me.

Oh yeah.

It was just about the new Darth Maul animated series.

My brother—

Oh no, he— I swear to God.

Yo.

And then he gave me back a report. He told me, he's like, oh, it's so far so good. Did this and that happen?

I told you, my brother's like, I know Matt's into Star Wars. Tell him watch the new Darth Maul. You know, Jamie said.

It's fun. I love George.

He's the best. I have the hardest time convincing people who he is. It's hilarious.

What do you mean?

When people— when he comes to the mothership and people that don't know anything about MMA, they're like, what does your friend do? I go, that is one of the greatest fighters that ever walked the face of the earth.

100%.

They're like, no, for real? I go, yeah, 100% in everybody's list of one of the greatest of all time. And he's like, hello, nice to meet you. He just seems so sweet and friendly.

Man, that's the problem with MMA is that like you have to convince people about how bad somebody was, and it wasn't that long ago. I mean, it wasn't that long ago that Georges St-Pierre was the fucking greatest of all time. And now, but the fans are so new that you—

they don't get it.

They don't go back and watch it.

They had to watch, like, go back and watch the John Fitch fight. Oh man, prime GSP.

He was prime.

He was terrifying. Incredible gas tank, great flow between grappling and striking, very creative.

He put that shit together the best. That's why he had such success taking everybody down. Like, his— yeah, he would set it up, his level change And he always— he ran through every takedown. It was never— yeah, yeah, yeah, he was gonna run you across the cage.

George was phenomenal. And then I think Faraz Ahabi was a big part of that too. Faraz Ahabi's a bad motherfucker.

Yeah, he's smart.

You ever watch his YouTube breakdowns?

Sometimes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's incredible.

Very incredible. Astute. He's so knowledgeable of the game, of every aspect of it, you know.

His brother is doing well.

Yeah, his brother's fighting at the White House.

He's fighting Sean O'Malley, and I think I think people are sleeping on him.

Well, listen, he keeps winning. Yeah, he keeps fucking winning. The one fight that he had that was kind of a little controversial was Aldo. Remember Aldo?

Yeah, for sure. I'm not sure he won that fight.

Me either, because I think they're not being generous enough with the 10-8s and the 10-7s.

They don't do it enough. Not enough.

There's— when a guy just tunes you up for like a minute and a half of the round and you almost go unconscious You know, like, that, that means a lot.

I hate the fact that they don't use it enough, all because, like, Dana was like, oh, I don't like it. And now the judges are just like, no, we can't do it because—

listen, the scoring system sucks because we stole it from boxing. It's not— yes, it doesn't have enough points for sure. It should be like, you should get like a certain amount of points for different things, but it would be really hard to calculate because it would have to be subjective. Like, if Pereira hits you, it's way harder than if someone's like, you know, Paul Craig, right? Yeah, no disrespect, but you know, the consequences are very different. So if he hits you with a left hook, it's different than if Pereira hits you with a left hook. So that's subjective. But in terms of like what happens in the fight, you should be counting in submission attempts, you should be counting in takedown attempts, like who was more aggressive, who was more defensive, who's— who implemented their strategy. You should have like 100 points to work with.

Absolutely. As they got 10 points, why are we only using 2 of them? It's 9 out of 10.

Why? I don't get it.

Don't make any sense because there's 10 9-rounds. 10 rounds that are like, uh, could be anybody, and there's 10-9 rounds where he dominated. That's what—

that's—

well, see, like, UFC BJJ uses that, and it works better for that because they're very liberal with the 10-8s and 10-7s. They use it a lot. They're like, if it's— if it's close, it's a 10-9. If it's one-sided, it's automatically a 10-8. So they use it.

That does make more sense. But even in BJJ, I would say you'd need more points. You need like— it's like the difference between a 70-30 round where a guy's dominating you 70% of the time and a 51-49 round is fucking huge. Yeah, it's huge, and it doesn't reflect it in the scorecards at all. Yeah, so you could win a 10-9 round the first round where it's like you're barely ahead, like maybe I'll give it to you, and then the second round that dude fucks you up and he gets a 10-9 round because you didn't go down. Yeah, but he's head kicking you and you're blocking it, you're getting deep your legs are getting kicked all the time. It's still a 10-9 round. That's some— that's nuts. No, just because you didn't go unconscious, just because you didn't get knocked down.

I think it's my ADD's kicking in, but we're talking about the close calls, close scoring. I thought Aljo— I thought he should have got that nod against fucking—

yeah, I thought so too. I didn't think there was a—

the guy got on the— uh, at the end, like a minute 30 left, and Aljo was winning that whole first round.

Aljo is a nightmare for a grappling expert.

He could be undefeated at 145.

He's a nightmare because if your whole thing is grappling with people and you got to grapple with Aljo, you got problems. Yeah, that dude gets your back, he's got— he's—

I mean, him and Jan, 10-8 round, like he was just on his back, dominated him in that second round, and they don't know— how is that not a 10-8 round?

He's fighting Youssef Salah soon.

Yeah, yeah, Youssef Salah, and that's on the 25th of April, but I mean, I But I think, you know, if it hits the ground, I think there's levels to this.

Yeah.

Did Aljo over Jan in the second fight, was that like the best anybody's ever done with Jan?

Oh yeah, straight up, right?

For sure.

His control is just so good when it hits the floor. That's the difference between him and Merab. Merab can keep getting you down and up, down, up.

Right.

Aljo hits the floor.

Yeah, you're not getting away.

He just needs back exposure. He's one of those— some guys, they can't jump up on the back. It's not good for them. They're gonna get tired. Dude, all day long, he'll just go up there, lock that shit on, and if he doesn't get you, that's his round.

Like, bro, the Sanhagen fight was a masterpiece. Masterpiece.

His grappling is so, so good.

Yeah, he doesn't get proper credit.

No, this is back take some of the best in the, in the sport, period, man.

They're not a big fan of his. They don't push. I feel—

oh, he's such a nice guy. I know, he does everything right.

I think it's the one fight.

I know. With the neck, that was— I think that was— but turn everybody against him.

Those people are wrong. Yeah, but look what happened. Fucked up. And look what happened in the second fight.

I mean, he should have validated the entire thing by whooping his ass in the second fight, but they already decided they're stuck on it.

He had to get his fucking disk replaced. It was real. That was a real fucking injury.

He should be— he could be on— he could be a two-time champ, a double division champ. I mean, he's In my mind, he's undefeated at 145. Look what he did to Calvin Cater, which was— Calvin Cater's a beast, but it was very impressive.

You didn't know Calvin Cater.

If that's your first fight seeing him, you'd be like, oh, that guy doesn't belong here, which he obviously does. He's a beast. But Aljo was masterful.

He's—

know what it is? He's good at not getting hit. So it's like he's not giving you that back and forth because— and Longo says you've seen 20% of what he could do stand up and standing up. Up. Like, I'd ask him something, what is— he's like, he could put his foot wherever he wants it, like about a kick or something. He's really— he's just really, really talented, man. I hope he gets his shot. If he takes out, uh, you know, uh, Youssef, I hope he— they give him a shot again because I think he could be a two-time champ. He—

well, listen, he's still a bad motherfucker. Like, he's, he's a nightmare for everybody, especially if he gets a hold of you. Yeah, but I mean, people look at the one fight losses. They look at the Sean O'Malley fight like Sean caught him perfect.

That's just how, you know, his head wasn't really in that because he didn't even want to be there.

Nope.

Why didn't he want to be there?

They made him fight that fight. He didn't want to fight. Yeah, yeah, they had like a whole documentary on it where it was like they, they kind of twisted his arm. They're like, you got to do this. And they were—

was he injured?

I think he was injured.

It was a quick turnaround.

Yeah, quick turnaround.

He's the champ.

He didn't feel he should be forced into You know, but he thought the number—

he thought they—

he thought the pay-per-view numbers was gonna make up for it. He thought he's gonna get all this money from it because he was like, all right, I'll do it. Sean O'Malley's gonna bring in the numbers. Then he said when it was over, he saw the numbers, he was like, if I knew the numbers was gonna be like this, I don't think I'd have did it.

Really?

Yeah.

So it didn't do well?

It didn't do as well as he thought he was gonna do based on Sean O'Malley's presence.

Listen, man, it takes a lot to get people to pay for something today. There's too much of it. Anyways, to seal it, this Paramount thing is genius in that regard. Yeah, is that all you have to do is have that app, which a lot of people have already anyway. Yeah, that's genius. But to make people pay every time to watch fights, like, there's so much to watch today.

Well, that was the one thing that my people at ESPN told me. It was like, it's a big difference between being popular and then having people pay to watch you fight. Yeah, like, you can be popular, but ain't nobody paying you paying you to fight. So it's a big difference.

It's a giant difference. Yeah, yeah, it's a giant difference.

I like that it's on Paramount as a fan though.

Yeah, save you a ton of money. I pay— I used to pay for every one of them.

This Netflix thing is nice too. It's good to see that there's like someone who's willing to throw a lot of money at MMA in another large arena, you know, like Netflix.

What are you— what are you doing, guys? Gina versus Ronda. I think round 1 submission, Ronda.

Yeah.

Unless she wants to try to just stand up with her, which I doubt. I hope not.

I don't know what Gina's been doing. You know, I don't know how long she went without MMA training at all.

She was recently a little heavy.

I can say that. She looks great now. Does she look great now?

She looks great. Look, she got in great shape.

She got in great shape.

But she's still like 43 years old.

Yes.

Come on.

No, but the question is like, what was she doing in those— was she still training some? That would be my real question, because if you just put it all down and you walk away for 17 years, I gotta go.

I mean, but with the weight loss— with the weight gain that she had, there was no way she was training.

That's what I'm saying. Anything— that's what I'm saying.

Like, she's back in shape and she obviously is busting her ass to do that, but how long, like you're saying, was she down?

And she has to develop a grappling defense to one of the best female grapplers ever? No, Ronda's—

her only hope is to keep it on the feet.

I think she'd jump guard on her and then sweep her.

She would pull guard and sweep her.

Or arm lock her. Her arm locks are amazing.

Her arm locks are amazing.

They're preposterous.

You know, I think there's too many—

dude or chick, her arm bars are insane.

Remember that Kat Zingano fight? Kat charged at her and Kat threw her.

That was the craziest thing ever.

Got her in an arm bar like instantaneously.

Yeah, what a stupid strategy that was.

Yeah, she blanked out on that one. So crazy.

No, but that was such a sick transition too.

No, but I saw a video of Gina hitting pads with John Wood that was kind of recent. It did not look good.

How recent was it?

I don't know, I don't know, but it didn't look good.

I was just like, it's hard to tell.

I hope this is older.

She's a big girl, maybe she can stop her from taking her down or something.

But also, it's also, what were they doing? Were they just working on slow motion shit? Were they just trying to get a movement, or were they getting in a hard mitt workout?

You know, I mean, either way, like, just like mechanically me. It didn't look great mechanically. So I mean, but it could have been— it's like one of them things where like this could be like her comeback session and she's just trying to get warmed up. But who knows? I mean, you know, who knows?

Maybe she's—

who knows?

You just never know.

Yeah, I hope it's better than that.

Yeah, round 1 submission.

I mean, probably, probably right.

I mean, come on.

I bet, you know, if you had Polly Market, you could make some money on that, right? There's gonna be a lot of bets on It's, uh, it's, it's exciting though that, that Netflix is doing it. That's what I like. I like that there's another place people can go. It'll raise—

but how sustainable is this though? That's my biggest question.

Whoever's putting the money up for this is going to lose their ass, I think. You think they're going to make that money back, right?

But here's the thing, it's Netflix, right? So Netflix has an insane amount of money and they keep raking it in. Like every month people are paying whatever they're paying It's as high as like, what, $19 for ad-free? What is it? How much is a Netflix account now? I think it just went up, right? Yeah, they think— oh, money's just coming in every month. They just got to give people exciting things to want to watch and they'll keep making more money, right? Because more people use Netflix. Like, it would seem like they're gonna lose their ass, but they're not because they have a completely different business model. Obviously, I'm not a businessman. $8.99 to $26.99 per month. I'm a— I'm— in fact, I'm a terrible businessman, but I would imagine you'll just make money by giving people awesome shit so they keep tuning into Netflix. So in that sense, they're not gonna lose any money because there's a lot of MMA fans that probably subscribe to Netflix just so they could watch that fight, right? So who's on the card now? It's like Felipe Lins versus Ngannou, right?

Yeah. Mike Perry versus Nate Diaz, right?

Oh, and Robles de España. Yeah, yeah.

And, uh, Junior Dos Santos.

That one. Yeah, that one is like—

who's it?

Robles de España, that, uh, karate combat dude.

He's a taekwondo black belt from Cuba.

Wait, it was Junior?

Yeah.

How old's Junior?

He's 50 now.

Is he 50?

No, he's close, but he's in good shape. I actually did a— we spoke at a high school a couple of months ago.

I'm glad to hear that. I mean, at least these guys get an outlet to make some extra money.

Yeah, man. Who does more?

Adriano Morais is a, you know, that's a more guy that's probably gonna school him. But I mean, it's, they got some, they're giving guys some opportunity. So you gotta like this. Absolutely.

Yeah, absolutely. It'll be a big show. A lot of people tune in. Diaz and Perry is gonna be fucking bananas. That'll be really fun to watch.

Yeah, that's, I mean, that'll be worth the price of admission. Imagine if that was 10 years ago, that fight.

I'm looking at this.

It's like if the GLL LA went to fucking— it came true. GFL?

Remember that grandpa league?

It just stole all their talent.

Bro, Diaz versus Perry, guaranteed dogfight. Just a guaranteed dogfight. That will not be a boring fight. Who do you think wins that?

I think the jiu-jitsu is going to be too much.

I kind of think that too. I kind of think Nate might just drag him deeper, right?

We're going to see. You know, we're going to see.

Oh, it's 5 rounds?

5 rounds.

That's crazy. 5 rounds is crazy. I wonder why they agreed on that.

Interesting.

Yeah. Why do you think they agree?

I didn't realize.

Is the Gina fight 5 rounds or is it 3 rounds?

3.

When they first announced it, it said 5 by 5 for everything, but they've changed a bit. Well, so it says 5 by 5.

This one says 5.

Yeah, just for those two though. This one does not. Oh, it doesn't say that?

It doesn't?

No. And it also says these are the main events.

I mean, I can't imagine Gina's in round 4. It actually does. There it does.

Says it real— it's hard to see it. Yeah, 5x5, professional. Yeah, okay, bro. Lorenz Larkin, back in the day, I remember he fought Neil Magny. He was hitting him with oblique kicks to the chest, and I was like, I do not think I've ever seen anybody throw it that way. You ever see that fight?

No, I don't remember that fight.

He tuned Neil Magny up. Lorenz Larkin was a bad motherfucker.

I do remember that.

Like, he had his—

he had a good little run.

He was so— his striking was Elite.

Yeah.

And he would— he, when he fought Neil Magny, he, you know, Neil Magny's a tough fucking dude.

Durable guy.

Durable. Incredible discipline and endurance. Like, that dude's never out of shape. And he was just getting too— look at this. I mean, he's throwing an oblique kick to the ribs. That one there, he just hit his arm and knocked him down with it. But earlier before that, he caught him on the rib cage. Look at that, bro. That's crazy.

He gave him a Sparta kick. Him.

That's the second look at it, but right here you're seeing him, he's blasting him with this kick that nobody throws like that. That's a crazy position to put your hips in.

That is crazy, bro.

He's— he was sharp.

How did this one end?

He stopped him.

Oh, did he? Yeah. Oh shit.

Yeah, Lorenz was all over him, man. It was a pro— like one of the prime performances that I've seen of him fight.

Yeah, he had a good little run.

He had a great run.

But in—

during that run, and this was like, he came from Bellator, right?

Yeah.

Yeah. And when he came over from Bellator, it's like he was still like red hot. Yeah, red hot.

Yeah. Two guys that were in Bellator, which is Pitbull and Aaron Pico, they're getting ready to fight this weekend.

How much time do you think a guy like Pico is supposed to take off after Larrone?

We were just talking about that. Because I love his offense, man. He's a little raging bull animal and strong, powerful.

He just got caught, and he got caught perfect. I mean, it was just perfect, that spinning elbow.

I think he got stopped more than— did he get stopped more than once with a bad knockout like that?

Yeah, man, his first fight ever.

You don't want to go through—

the kid from, um, Kill Cliff, uh, Adam Burke. Yeah, Adam Burke. Yeah, he got him with a flying knee. Yeah, yeah.

Damn, dude, you don't want too many of those.

That's right.

But though, but those put him out, man. Like, you just see him just go boop.

Yeah, that Macy Barber one the other day, that was just one of the greatest finishes in women's MMA history.

Oh, no doubt. I wanted to reach out to Macy because I felt so bad.

I wanted to reach out to the doctor and say, what the fuck are you thinking? He's just over like, yeah, he's like, I'm like, guess I'm smelling like somebody cameraman, please get off this, or somebody talk to the doctor, because I don't know what the fuck. He was just over like, man, this is fucked up.

I don't think he knew exactly what was going on. He probably has no experience in combat sports, right? He didn't realize that she got knocked out, and while she was out cold, she got strangled.

She transitioned so fast.

Like, she's out there, she's out cold already, and then she gets strangled. Like, that's never happened before.

What's crazy is she was like kind of still reacting, and then when they put her on her back, she just— it was—

well, I don't know what she went limp as she was trying to sit up. She went limp, you see right there, like she was trying to get up, and then as the guy has his arm around her, she goes limp, dude.

See, there's like— there's, uh, sea level Kane, and then there's southpaw Alexa. When she fights southpaw, man, she is dangerous.

Then this confused doctor, she's— Hey, never seen this before. Hey, crazy, look at him, right?

He's like crazy. It's just like, well, she's kind of coming to there. She's blinking, but that was just holy shit.

Yeah, why?

And the speed that she took her back, left hand, boom, back choke. Amazing. One shot while she was out still, cracked her again, got her back and choked her all like a lightning bolt. That was super.

But that's the same combination she hit Valentina with when she finished her.

I feel like it's been 5 minutes with us sitting there.

Left hand, boom, took her back. Took her a while, it took her longer, but look at this.

String him. So she's in trouble. Bam, right there, out cold, and then strangled. I don't think that combination of out cold and then strangled has ever happened before. No, because I mean, she seemed— watch this punch here, that's out cold, right? And then boom.

Sick.

Now that's crazy.

Crazy.

She's tough, man.

Oh man, all backwards in front of you after the knockout, you know. Well, so here's the thing. She gets up, and when she gets up, I think she faints. Like, I think she tries to get up, just went, and then he— Mike puts his arm around her and she's out. I think she fainted.

That's just scary.

That's scary. And she also had had some problems before with seizures.

Yeah, she had to pull out of that fight with, uh, Erin Blanchfield.

Seizure in the locker room. Yeah.

So they let— they still allow her to fight even though she's had seizures? That's pretty crazy.

Well, it depends on what's causing the seizures, right? If they know it's a medication that she was on, they get her off the medication. Like, there's— I don't know what causes seizures. Well, that's just not going to help the seizures, but it certainly wouldn't make me enthusiastic about fighting Yeah, it would have to fuck with your motivation if you're already having seizures.

I wouldn't want to do it. Like, yeah, and now after— now after that, I wouldn't want to do it.

Anytime you fight, that's a possibility. Yeah, any— I mean, look at a guy who never once looked at— took anything remotely like that, like Kamaru Usman. And even in a fight where he's just doing so great, and then that's the closest thing I've seen to that, which is when he got stopped with that head kick.

Yeah.

And you know, that's a possibility anytime you make that walk. That's why you got that fucking little feeling in your throat, you know, before you walk out there.

The Camaro one was nuts too because John Anik was just saying, because DC was like, a lot of people would quit in this situation, and John Anik said something along the lines of, but that is not the cloth from which you are cut.

I know, and then as soon as— I mean, that was like the most perfect timing ever, ever.

Like a movie, like if you saw that in a movie, like shut up.

Because I just, I just came in and was like, yeah, I think he's broke. And then DC was saying it, and then Jon intervened with, he's not cut from that cloth, and boom, head kick.

It was nuts.

What is that new Russell Crowe's doing, a new MMA movie?

Yeah.

Is that supposed to be the UFC?

No, I think one FC. Yeah, one FC.

Oh, interesting.

Yeah, I wonder if that's gonna be.

Yeah, but I mean, like, who's the fighter is like my age? I'm like, yo. What's going on here?

Maybe coming back like Randy Couture won the title in his 40s, you know?

Yeah, man.

ONE has some wild striking fights, man. Some of the absolute best stand-up fights in the world are happening on ONE. I watch it all the time.

I never know when that shit's on.

Yeah, what is that on? Where do you watch this fucking cat out of Dagestan? Do you guys know I'm talking about Asadullah Iman Ghazaliev? Bro, this dude is, I think he's 135 pounds. I think that's what he fights at. And he's like 6'1" and just a laser beam striker. Just fucks people up. Like, literally might be the best striker in the world.

Is it just kickboxing?

Yeah, and he's getting in there with Muay Thai. He's getting in there with world Muay Thai champions and KOing them. Like, 3-time world Lumpini Muay Thai champions. Damn. Lumpini Stadium guys. This guy is a fucking straight killer, dude. And he's from Dagestan, and he can wrestle. Damn, you got it. Let's see if you can find like a highlight reel of his KOs, cuz this is just like— get on YouTube.

The body shot was nice.

This— I watch this cat every time he fights. I just can't— he's so fucking accurate and he's so slick.

How old is he? He's 22.

Oh damn.

Yeah, man, I'm telling you, this 22-year-old cat from Dagestan might be the best striker on earth right now. This dude is so impressive, and I'm telling you, he's doing this to dudes who are world champions.

Oh.

He's taking out world champion kickboxers, world champion Muay Thai fighters. They're putting him in there with these fucking assassins, and he's making them all go night-night.

Oh damn.

Oh, but you got to see it in real speed, like, like you see his real movements. It's so impressive.

Is he with Khabib Nurmagomedov?

I don't know where he's training out of, but he's from Dagestan, bro.

He looks like Zabit.

Yes, like a, like a little bit more robust Zabit. But it's like, it's different. Like, Zabit had more of a, you know, he had an incredible style, but it was almost like more taekwondo-ish. This guy's pure Muay Thai, but he just fucks people up, man.

Accurate too.

Oh, he's spinning heel kicks, everything, knees to the body. But it's, it's the combinations, the way he's throwing them. He just finds these openings on people with this precision that you're like, motherfucker, man.

It keeps the pressure. Yeah, he keeps the pressure on too.

He's just flatlining folks. One after another, flatlining people, man. Bro, he's very fucking impressive. And again, very impressive against world championship caliber Muay Thai fighters. These are not scrubs that he's fighting.

Damn.

And one's putting these fights on all the time. And I was trying to tell Dana this, I was like, if you guys had like UFC striking, do you know how fucking exciting that would be? If just Muay Thai with MMA gloves on?

They should do that.

They do 100% now.

Yeah, they do it in one. 100%. They're missing out on a giant opportunity because how many people boo when a fight goes to the ground?

Boo!

These guys never go to the ground, right? It's just all—

and kickboxing is so much more brutal than boxing.

Way more brutal. Yeah, it just didn't get a fair shake in America. I know. It's not that it's not exciting. It's the most exciting aspect of the UFC other than a great submission like Alexa Grasso after a knockout. That's like the most—

right?

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I could— people bitch about Khamzat, I could watch him do that to Dricus all day long. I don't give a shit. That's masterful.

Masterful.

Get him off you.

Yeah, get up.

People like, oh, that's a shame, and he doesn't take chances. Dude, get— he's not like he's not trying to beat the shit out of him. He's getting him tied up and he's beating him up and he's just, he's working him over. I mean, what do you want him to stand up in the crucifix?

Yeah, I mean, that's Dricus's problem. Like, Dricus need to get him. Yeah, yeah, 100%.

And I don't, I don't believe in stand-ups at all, period.

Period.

I think the only time you should stand up is someone fouls. If someone does a foul and then you have to stand it up, take a point away from them, maybe, then you stand him up.

Yeah. Like, you can't.

You shouldn't reward a guy for having, like, a defense.

If the dude on the bottom is the one that fouled, put him back where they were.

Right, right, right. Yeah, definitely. But other than that, why are you letting people stand up? Why? Guy had to work so hard to get him to the ground. Maybe he's taking a break for a couple seconds to catch his breath. Yeah, you know, like, what the fuck do you want? Yeah, like, figure out how to get up.

Yeah, bottom people just have to be better.

Also, you know what, how to fix that? Here's how you fix that: knees to the head to a downed opponent.

Absolutely.

Hey, absolutely.

And then it's like, fix that. Yeah, wrestlers, then wrestlers become super fucking dangerous.

Mark Coleman won the Grand Prix. Didn't you see the Smashing Machine? Did you like the Smashing Machine?

I did.

It was good.

I did.

I enjoyed it. I thought The Rock was amazing. I thought, like, his acting, like like you didn't think it was The Rock, you know?

I haven't seen it yet.

You thought it was Mark Kerr. Like, he even got a forehead thing. Yeah, you got like rubber put on his forehead or whatever the fuck.

Give him a little like—

yeah, make him more Neanderthal.

A little Cro-Magnon.

Give him a little Frankenstein forehead.

It was almost scene by scene, it was almost like the same, pretty much the same exact thing as the documentary.

It was really good.

The documentary, it's like the same shots, the same story. So If you've seen the documentary, which was great.

Yeah, seen that.

Kurt was a great guest. I had him in the podcast. He was fun.

It was really—

he was a really cool guest, you know.

No kidding.

Yeah, he was really fun and just a real intelligent, like, easy to talk to.

Like, where does he live now?

Like, that's—

is Arizona, bro?

I saw him in early UFCs when I was a backstage interviewer. He submitted Dan Bobish with his chin to his eye.

I remember that.

I remember that too.

That was crazy. I remember when he came on the scene while The UFC scene when it—

with the old Ranger Stott needed a face knock out. Yeah, I remember Rip Rules as well. We were about to find out.

Morty Hyenstein or something like that, the karate—

I don't know, man.

My favorite Mark Kerr fight was against Fabio Gurgel down in Brazil.

Oh, that was crazy. That's where he got his name.

Yeah, man, that's, that's my shit, man.

I was a big Fabio fan, and like, I mean, if you can't have respect for that guy after that that beating he took and he never, never fucking thought about quitting.

Crazy.

Yeah, yeah, headbutts and everything.

Who said yes to that?

Yeah, right?

Let me pull you guys aside, they'll explain physics. Yeah. And now I need to introduce you to steroids. That was to combine physics and steroids and like, no, you're not fighting Mark Hearn.

If you look at the time, that's when jiu-jitsu still had that mystique about it though. It's true, you know, true. Back when they weren't losing.

But that kind of killed— but like, that's when it like the beginning of the end of like the guard started for MMA. It was like that, cuz like those big wrestlers was just like, oh, you mean all I got to do is block his hips?

He can't—

right.

There was— do you remember when Mario Sperry fought Igor Zinoviev? Oh yeah, yeah. So Mario Sperry is like one of the first jiu-jitsu black belts to lose in MMA.

That's right.

Yes, we all thought jiu-jitsu black belts were invincible, right? Like, and Mario Sperry was elite. He was a really good black belt. And so he He fought Zinoviev and Zinoviev stopped him.

I remember that.

Yeah, and Mario was doing everything right, mounting him correctly, dude. But then he would just do one of those weird like super big bridges again. Yeah, and then his— because he had endurance and he was able to just withstand his attack, he, he ended up cutting him or something towards the end.

Yeah, it was a big cut. They stopped it from a cut, right?

Speaking of old school guys, guess who was at the UFC last week? Murilo Bustamante.

Oh yes, he was Twice. Yeah, he also fought 45-bit. He fought Tom Erickson.

I'm Eric.

Remember that?

Oh yeah, I thought Morello beat Chuck Liddell too, honestly, in that fight.

He might have.

Yeah, somebody was— he was a bad motherfucker. It was really good boxing and insane jiu-jitsu, but really good boxing. One of the first guys from like that Carlson Gracie team, along with good wrestler too.

Like, he had good takedowns. Yeah, you know, for a jiu-jitsu guy too.

But like, that's my point.

So he's a at the UFC just cornering Jose Delano, and like no one knows who he is.

And I'm like, yo, I need to give a lesson on this guy.

Like, he's one of my favorite fighters of all time, but no one knows who he is.

That's crazy. He's a legend. But you know, there's so many people now, it's like time just goes on.

Yeah, what a bunch of killers Carlson had back in the day, man. They really did.

His school in '96, when all that was going down, when right before Vitor got into the UFC, uh-huh.

Carlo Barretto.

Yeah, Carlo was training there. Yeah, Sergio Cohen. He had a bunch of beasts, man, and they would— we'd watch them all train together. Mario Sperri was telling us a story about how he, when he was just starting out in jiu-jitsu, he made his girlfriend sit there and he just put her in triangle after triangle after triangle.

She kept complaining.

Watching TV, just practicing triangles on his girlfriend.

We were lucky to— we were talking last night about how fortunate we were to come up when we did, you know. And like, even back at Henzo's, and you had Henzo, you had Hyun coming through, you had Half coming through, you had Matt, you had Ricardo, you had Sean Alvarez. Like, we just had a ton of killers, you know. And back then, it was— I always joke about the Tapout shit, but if you saw somebody in an airport in the '90s with a Tapout shirt on, you were like, where, you know, where you trained?

Yeah, right.

Then now that it went to like JCPenney's, which is cool because it was—

yeah, yeah, but it was pretty wild. I had some tap-out shirts. Everybody did, right? Those guys were fun.

Yeah, definitely.

It was a weird time, that time of MMA. If you go back to like, like even when like you and I first met, I was like, when— yet what year was that?

2001 we met.

Crazy. That's crazy.

You weren't a commentator yet, but no, but I fought Kelly DeLonte and you gave me a nice shout out. I remember, we need more of that jungle jiu-jitsu like Matt Serra.

When you tore that bicep.

And I'm like, oh, they showed that up. Yeah, that's funny. Yeah, that was, that was 2001 because I mailed you a shirt. Yeah, thank you. And then you called the academy and I'm like, oh, what's up? That was funny, man.

Nice.

Crazy.

But jiu-jitsu was so physical then, like it was a physical thing. Now it's so intellectual and like these nerds think they own it.

Autistic kids got old.

Yeah.

And now they think they own it.

It's like, yo, what are you talking about?

Talking about technique? Yeah, it's like they're talking chess moves.

Yeah, you don't know the names. And he's like, you don't know that? It's like, dude, I know that. I like— what's the, um, what— when you're going for the, uh, they kill— what they call it, the K-guard? Yeah, shit, man, I've been doing that since the '90s, man.

Right.

At first I'm like, oh, what's the deal? You don't know the K-guard? I'm like— then they show it, I go, well, yeah, I just never called it the fucking K-guard. Yeah, but it's funny you bring up Murilo Bustamante. We talked about Fabio Gugel Well, back then, and I know jiu-jitsu evolved, but if you take those guys, you put them in the Abu Dhabi submission tournament, you put them in the BJJ, IBJJF, and you put them in an MMA fight, their jiu-jitsu is the same. It carries over.

Yeah.

And they may not win, but they're competitive.

And they have it across the board. Yeah. Somebody just used to scissoring or just used to the legs. You know what I mean? That can't transfer over.

Here's what fucks my head up. If you, gun to my head, said to me, who do you think has the best jiu-jitsu in MMA right now, my head would go Charles Oliveira. I was getting ready to— that would be my guy. But Islam Makhachev finished him on the ground, so how can I say that, right? So So it fucks my head up because I'm like, if you think about like elite expressions of jiu-jitsu on the ground, like one of the most dangerous guys off his back, Oliveira. Oliveira is so dangerous everywhere. If he gets on top of you, you're fucked. I mean, it was just that Max Holloway's defense is so tight and he's so tough that he didn't get finished, right? A lot of dudes would have been out of there in that first round.

How crazy it was that he was able to just manhandle him and take him down. I mean, Max, nobody took Max down like that.

He manhandled him. It was bananas. But I I think Max is a guy that is like, he can fight at 45. I think it was really hard when he went up to 55 and then went down to 45. But at 45, in his prime, oh shit, it was a perfect weight class for him. When Oliveira was fighting at 45, he was killing himself. Like, he fought like he just was fatigued easier. But then when he went up to 55, then he became Charles Oliveira, you know? It was really all at 55 where he made his mark.

He tried that shit though with Ilia. He did try to take him down. And he tried to reverse it.

Yeah, he's a different animal.

Yeah, he's on another level for sure. He's on another level.

Super well-rounded, and people haven't really even seen that yet.

He's on a level where I can't wait for his next fights. Like, when he's fighting, I'm like, what is he going to do now? Yeah, like, how— what is— because I think he's getting better. I think it's not just— I think the dude is like— their approach to it— there's a documentary on YouTube about what they're like talking about, how they break down all their fight camps and what they're doing and the different stuff to— they train in— like, these dudes are on another level.

I mean, when you think about, like, if a fight between, like, Ilia and Islam were to happen, like, think about, like, the magnitude of that, of, like, not only just, like, star power, but just in terms of skill.

Oh my God.

Like, breaking that down in terms of skill.

Oh my God.

Like, two of the best skilled fighters of all time.

Of all time. Yeah, that would be an insane fight. And I just really would like it if it happened to be at 55. Like, Ilia at 175 would be better because Islam at 170 is probably probably walking around a buck 96 for sure. Yeah, fucking jacked.

I think, uh, Arman should be spoken about too.

100%.

Yeah, look how he's 100%. He had a pretty good fight with, uh, Islam back when he— how many years ago? He was like 21. Yeah, he was— I mean, scrambles.

Although I do have to say, if, uh, the scoring was correct, I think, I think Oliveira would have beat him in that fight because Oliveira threatened him with submission That is true. A couple times.

That's true.

A couple times. Like, that to me is more valuable than holding a guy down.

Did Arman threaten he had an arm choke with him? Well, no.

He was kind of on the run, but he was kind of on the run more often than we remember.

Like, Arman was? Yeah.

In terms of like inside the guard of Oliveira.

Yeah.

Like, he was kind of, you know, he was on the run.

It's dangerous in there, man. It's not like everybody else's. Like, there's only a few guys like him and, you know, Paul Craig, bro. Paul Craig could latch on a fucking triangle. Like, that guy's beaten world champions. Yeah, think about it. He beat Jamal, broke his arm. He beat, uh, stopped him with like 1 second to go in the 3rd round with a triangle. Yeah, he might have one of the best— what was that one dude from back in the day that won all his fights by triangle? Dustin, uh, no, English guy.

Yeah, um, I know exactly who you're talking about.

Oh my God, it's I mean, the little skinny English guy.

Yeah, he like was all triangles, like 11 triangles in a row.

Yeah, he had this one move, but if he can get you to the ground, yeah, and latch his legs around you, you're fucked.

Paul Sass. Yeah, Paul Sass.

Shout out to Paul Sass. Yeah, he was a beast. He get you in that triangle, you're fucked. And then Mauricio Redoom's another one, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, he was that— he triangled Fedor. I remember Fedor was Fedor.

I always tell people, if you want to look at one of all-time greats in heavyweight, don't look at all losses and shit. Stop right here in the prime. Who has tapped out more legends than Fabricio Werdum? Minotauro, Fedor. I mean, that is crazy. Just those two. Cain Velasquez. That's true. He's tapped out all the legends, and they weren't past their prime either. Fedor was securely in his prime.

I remember watching that live thinking, oh my God, oh my God, he ran right into it. He ran right into that.

He jumped into it really brilliant.

His jiu-jitsu was like scary off his back.

Yeah, Fedor had no respect for the guard, just, you know, was trying to take his head off and just fed it to him. Yeah, man, you can't do that with a guy—

not a guy like that. That's a different level.

And plus he hit Colby in the head with a boomerang.

Remember that?

There's nothing wrong with that.

Give me some points for that as well. That was my favorite video of all time because he hit him with the boomerang and then the bag, and Colby was reaching out for the bag.

You got to give him some points for that.

Out of all the people that I thought I was definitely going to see on the White House lawn, it was going to be a Colby Covington fight. I was like, how is he— how did you not have a Colby Covington fight at the White House? And I don't know, he's like super supportive of Trump, wears Trump hats everywhere, right?

And he's not a fighter.

They didn't hook him up. I don't know. How did that not happen?

Bo Nickal wanted to fight him.

Yeah, but that's a different weight class. Bo Nickal's a big dude.

He's at 85.

He's an 85er. Yeah, that's a, you know, Colby's not a big 70. Is he set to fight a great size for somebody? Yeah, no, no, I don't know why I'm in that match. Yeah, yeah, that's going to be interesting.

Yeah, I think Chris a little big for him.

Yeah, I think that should go well for—

who is Joaquin fighting next?

Brady.

Sean Brady.

Sean Brady.

Is that in Miami? No, that's— no, that's in, uh, in Jersey, right? Yeah, that's right.

I'll be out in Philly next week with Brady.

Shout out. Wakim was on a tear until Kamaru got a hold of him.

Shout out to Brady. That's why that's one of his shirts.

Of the two guys that are like most worthy for a shot at the welterweight title, I mean, you, you gotta think Ian Garry, but you also gotta think Kamaru because he doesn't have much time left and he's a legend, right? One of the greatest welterweights of all time. And then he just beats Wakim Buckley like that. I mean, like, Wakim Buckley's a fucking monster.

Buckley was on the fast rise to— Hey, now, Wonderboy.

Now, Wonderboy, he beat the shit out of Kobe. Yeah, bro.

Shit out of Kobe, bro.

Beat the shit out of him. Joaquin doesn't get tired either, which is crazy. Like, you look at his physique. Yeah, you like that guy's gonna get passed out. He just— his— he keeps that gas going for 3 fucking rounds, full clip.

Yeah, I believe you. I know I've been watching them, right?

Been watching them for a month, months now.

Nah, Sean Brady, I think, uh, that's old turtle shell.

Yeah, yeah, that back of his is so preposterous.

Yeah, he's staying at that weight, right?

Yeah, he's not going down.

Yeah.

What about Olberg and, uh, Jiri this weekend?

You know what, man? Oh, if you're, if you're looking at it on paper, if you like, if you just watch their movements, Olberg is really fast, he's really accurate, and he's slick, and he's a big tall motherfucker with great skills. Jiri creates It's chaos. And in that chaos, you don't know exactly how someone's gonna respond when the guy's still there, when you crack him and he's all over you and he's doing wild shit. He's got a fucking ponytail at the top of his head. He's a maniac, but he's not faking it.

Oh no, he believes everything he says.

Yeah, that's how that dude really lives. Like, he really does hit trees in the woods. He goes out there with a makiwara. He's fucking— he does all the hard style Japanese shit. And you know, he spends time in the woods by himself alone.

He does, uh, he swims under the ice. He does the—

yeah, I saw that. I actually saw a video.

I go, fuck that, dude.

Yeah, I mean, you have to find where the hole is and you gotta come back.

We had some people in there too, just in case.

Isn't that crazy? Listen, man, just look at that dude. His ancestors came over on a boat with a skull on it and they had fucking swords. They hopped off and started slicing all them guys. That dude is a motherfucking Viking. Whatever he is, that war— those warrior genes, like, that's in that. That dude takes you to hell.

He takes—

he just can't do it with Alex.

That's it.

That style just doesn't work with Pereira.

So that's what I'm wondering. Does he walk into one here? Because he's gonna get hit. Khalil beat the living shit out of him for 2 rounds, and then ran out of gas.

Holberg's a big guy too. Khalil's not a big, you know, if you look, if you look at him in comparison to some of the other guys in that weight class, he can make 85. Here's, here's one that people are sleeping on. Merzakhanov.

Yeah, you think who?

I'm leaning Palos.

You almost sold me on that yesterday, but Merzakhanov, man, undefeated, undefeated.

Let me tell you something, 37 and fought nobody. I'm riding.

He put Rockish to sleep though. Yeah, I mean, he did sleep in the first round. Yeah, dude, he's slick. He does shit in there. I'm like, you know, he calls himself the professional, and that's like, he seems like a hitman, like some Russian hitman. Yeah, it comes to fucking kill.

He believes in his power, that's a fact.

It's not just his power, man, it's his skills. When I look at him, I'm like, this is a smart guy. Like, he moves like a smart guy. Everything's calculated, everything's technical. He's really hard to hit clean. He's a slick character, and he does shit too. He overreaches, but he overreaches, I think, on purpose to get reads off you. If he senses the guy's moving away, he'll come in with big shots that he doesn't— to try to get you to react and then counter. Like that right hook that he hit him with was almost like a jab. Yeah, that he dropped Rakic with. Yeah, just saw this movement that Rakic kept doing over and over again. Bang! Came in with like a straight right jab, almost like a hook jab.

Paulo's got a chin.

Look at that, watch that again. Look how slick this is.

Yeah, boom!

He's a killer, man.

We don't know what Paulo Costa is going to look like at 205 though. He's never fought at that weight.

Well, didn't he once— he didn't make weight for 85 against Marvin Vettori.

Yeah, yeah, he forced Marvin Vettori. He was like, nah, this fight head is at 205 now.

Remember that? Yeah, Izzy fucked his mind up. I think he definitely did.

I mean, he— but he looked the best he's looked his last fight. Like, he— Kopylov, he just ran through him, dude.

You go back to when he was— when he was walking people down, like, walk down Yoel Romero. I remember it was a bizarre—

I remember when he saluted, uh, Yoel Romero in the middle of the fight. That was my favorite part.

Yeah, it was a great fight. But nobody walks down Yoel Romero like that.

Kidding.

There's that photo, that one photo of him head kicking Yoel, and Yoel's face is like all distorted, and you're like, how did he take that shot? This is neck, you know, his neck is fused. Yeah, it doesn't move, it's connected to his skull.

That's crazy.

Yeah, look at that, look at that photo. That photo's bonkers. Imagine Imagine how tough you gotta be to be Yoel Romero and take that to the head when you know your neck has been through an insane operation where you have metal connecting the fucking spine of your neck to your head.

They implanted monster traps to hold his head up at the same time.

Yeah, they were like, wow, he's such a freak.

Yeah, he is.

Athletic freak. And you see, he just fought bare knuckle.

Specimen.

Yeah.

At 49.

Yeah.

And a lot of people disputed the decision. They thought he should have won. Yeah, in Russia.

Yeah, I don't know.

Yo, Romero in Russia, I don't know how he does it.

He looks great.

Yeah, I don't know how he does it.

If you told me he was 32, I believe you.

He's R— did RAF as well.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Who did he beat? Pat Downey. And then he came back and he lost the next one.

Yeah, but he wrestled a legit dude.

The guy that I'm most impressed with in that is Armin. Oh, I can't believe how good he is as a wrestler. Yeah, who's the dude he tech-falled?

Georgio.

No, no, no, the, the, uh, Lance.

Oh, Lance Palmer.

That's Lance Palmer, bro. Yeah, Lance Palmer is a legit wrestler for sure.

And Lance was like, oh, he's never wrestled at my level, he's never wrestled guys at my level. Armin goes up there and tech-falls, right, bro?

Armin did better.

Yeah, but even Georgio, like, you watch those videos that he does, it's like $100,000 or whatever it is.

Yeah, yeah, Armin is a fucking bad man, dude.

He's a bad man.

I know it.

Yeah, if you wanted to fight for Ilia at 55, that's a very interesting fight.

100%.

Very interesting. I thought so, because he's hard to hit. He's very slick and technical, super flexible. Like, you ever seen those weird, like, mobility exercises he does with twists and shit?

With— I know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Crazy flexibility.

He's definitely in his prime, man. He can't waste his life away right now.

Headbutting people.

Yeah, just do the right thing, because you are in your prime right now.

Stop last forever.

He might already be champ if he could keep it together outside of the cage, you know what I mean?

Right, like if the— who knows what would have happened in the Oliveira fight if it was a proper fight, a 5-rounder, you know?

He's staying busy though. It's not like he's on the couch.

He's doing those videos with Dana.

He put Mokaev to sleep a couple weeks ago.

Yeah, that was a little too much.

That was a lot.

Yeah, but like he kept it— I But whenever they keep it on when the guy's already sleeping for too long, it's like, yo, what are you— what's going on here? You know, you gotta know he's out. The fuck's happening?

Maybe some unkind words were exchanged.

That's kind of my thought process.

I'm sure that happened.

Mokaev is a hothead, right? Yeah, he's been known to say some things. Did he get kicked out of the UFC for it? What happened with him?

I heard he was just like mean to people, like mean to the staff. That's what I heard. He was just like mean to the staff.

Yo, I wasn't even talking— I was talking about when he did it to a street reamer. I'm not talking about that fight.

Oh, we're talking about it.

No, no, no, I'm talking about him doing it too, like it just putting some buddy to sleep of his friends, the guys with his other—

I don't think I saw that.

It was with him on a couch and he put the guy to sleep. This is a regular Joe.

Arman did this?

Yeah, man. Jamie? No, no, no, sorry, Jamie. But, uh, yo, yo, he put him to sleep and he held that shit on for an extra— how— too many seconds. Look at this, watch this. No, no, I'm telling you, you tell me if you think it's too long.

That guy's neck makes me sad. But now look, to know that he's going to do that to him, I'm going to have to see this.

Now ready? Let's see. Now he's out, right?

He lasted a long time.

Yo, let go, man!

What are you doing? What the fuck?

He's out already?

Like, that's really crazy. That's really—

I mean, you are a killer.

That's really crazy. Yeah, that was, uh, that's so unnecessary.

That's what I'm saying.

What the fuck?

Yeah, that's— I thought that's a lot worse than I thought it was going to be. Yeah, sorry guys, I hate to bring the room down, but that's the crazy thing is Armin knows he was out right away.

That's what I'm talking about.

Also, that guy's neck looks like it's never been choked. I felt sad for what he was going to do to it when I saw his neck. His neck is making me feel sad because I know that's going to hurt. Hurt that fucking gorilla. That dude's got a clamp on him, man.

Little fuckers having soup for a week after that.

Yeah, right.

What's the problem?

Armin's fucking grip is so incredible, man. I'm just very impressed with him, man. Very impressed with his grappling. I just wish he could keep it together.

Yeah, I mean, I mean, his striking is not bad neither. Like, he's okay.

His first fight with Islam was very close. Very close. First fight in the UFC. I don't even think he got a full camp Probably not. I think it was a short notice fight, and he fought very well. You know, he's, he's at that— it's just like crazy that fuck-ups have kept him from being at the top. The missing the title fight was the big one. Yeah, that was the craziest one. Like, his back hurt the day before.

He like, come on, it's crazy.

Yeah, and you make Hinata Moikano go out there and, you know, not, not having prepared for him, right? What kind of look good against Duncan? Money, money.

Yeah.

I like when he gets on that mic too.

He starts talking shit. He's awesome. I wish he would have started talking shit even earlier. Like, I always liked the guy, but he's fucking hilarious.

He might be the best in the business right now.

He's funny, man.

He's just not getting enough mic time.

He's not getting enough time.

When he gets on the mic time, money fucking boy Conor.

It's hysterical.

Their podcast, he's good, you know, he's good on there with him and I think Gilbert, you know, they all fucking bullshit.

That was the thing, he's doing some streams on— and he's doing them in English and in Portuguese, but the Portuguese is doing better for him.

Okay.

And he's like, I'm making money off YouTube now, like, so I don't care anymore. Yeah, I have my money. Like, I have a big stream of revenue coming in from YouTube.

Subscribe to my channel, motherfuckers!

Pay me, motherfuckers! He's a character.

You need that. You need some personalities in there.

Fuck yeah, he's good too. Remember, like, his fight with Benoit Saint-Denis? Oh yeah, right? Murked him, right? And he's on his way to potential— that looks real good.

That win looks real good.

Real good. You can't judge him on that short notice shit. I know.

What do you guys think of, uh, Hoke's stick?

He's so fun. You think it's fun? I think it's fun, man.

I don't get it, man. I don't get it. I don't get it.

Who are you talking about?

I got all four talking shit. It's not witty. It's not like— it ain't funny, it ain't witty. It looks like he's trying too hard.

Exactly. I love it.

No, I don't get it.

He's like a pro wrestler. It's like pro wrestling. He's a smart dude. Bro, you talk to that guy, he's a smart dude. He knows what he's doing. He's being a goof. And here's the thing about people that act really goofy and stupid, you kind of— you go, fuck, I ain't shit. Like, they can trick you. They can trick you.

You think he's gonna beat Curtis?

I don't know, man. Curtis is a lot, you know. It's a big—

especially this early in his career.

Curtis has a lot of power. He's a big fucker.

Gonna be a better wrestler, probably.

A lot of MMA experience. But Hookett's a hard dude to solve. Romanov. He's a really good wrestler and he's fucking hyper-aggressive and he's got hands.

He's fast. He's athletic.

He's one of the guys that I have my eye on.

You think he can make 205 or you think he should— I mean, well, heavyweight's light, so perhaps maybe stay there.

But really, we're just waiting for Gable.

Yeah, yeah, right.

We're ready.

He's getting Romanov, I think, is wrestling him.

And yeah, I would not let him do that. I'd be like, what if you blow your ACL? Yeah, what are you crazy? Why are you doing this? You're gonna be the heavyweight champion of the UFC.

They gotta be paying Romanov's a big dude, man.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, I think Gabe, I think he'll be fine. But when you think of guys that are like a Mike Tyson in MMA, like when Mike Tyson was coming up, that's what I think of when I see him. Yeah, I'm like, how do you deal with that?

Right?

How the fuck do you deal with that? He moves like a cat. He's 240 pounds, Olympic gold medalist, and he can KO you.

Smartass guy in his corner.

He's got Jon Jones as a mentor. Are you fucking crazy?

IQ, Jon You know, he's one of the smartest guys.

Yeah, you got that guy in your corner and everybody's saying— I mean, he's one of the only guys that isn't even in the UFC yet that I had him on my podcast. I was like, I gotta talk.

I mean, he's accomplished, I think, enough anyway. Yeah, he's already a fucking Olympic gold medalist, NCAA champion. He's young, gotta be mid-20s.

Oh, he's young, he's young. And he— they're doing it smart, you know. They gave him, um, one of those, uh, what do they call it, dirty boxing? Yeah, dirty boxing fight.

The one where he jumped it, dude.

Did you see?

Jumped over the rope like it was nothing.

It was Pretty sick. He's such an athlete.

He just stood there and leapt over the ropes after he won and landed perfectly. No! Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like the Hulk.

Dude, after he would— when he won the NCAA championships, like, he can do like roundoffs and like the shit, like literally boom, boom, boom, like a gymnast. It's fucking crazy.

And I guarantee you that attribute, that's what you attribute to the speed that he has and covering distance. He's dangerous, man. Watch this. Watch when he goes over this rope.

This is crazy.

Damn, BJ Penn jumping out of the pool, right?

Yeah, exactly. I mean, that is crazy.

But he just—

he just stuck the landing and started twerking effortlessly. He's a monster, dude. Real hard problem for people.

Anybody that wrestled named Gable, you better fucking be good.

Yeah, and named after Dan Gable.

After Dan Gable.

Damn.

So he's been wrestling since he's a toddler, and he's just such a fucking athlete and so smart, just just dedicated. They're doing it smart too. They're not just jumping him into the UFC right away. He's getting famous outside the UFC.

That's the way you do it, for sure.

That way, sure, you try to bring them along as much as you can.

Yeah, fuck your 10-10. Come on, son.

Well, when they sign him, they gotta get— they're gonna give him more than that.

But the thing is, you don't—

yeah, he ain't getting—

some people are of the opinion that you don't want to give a young fighter too much money early because it'll ruin their motivation.

There's— I mean, there's truth in that, but I mean, it's not— who's that for you to say though?

You know what I'm saying?

Like, I want my money.

Exactly.

Yeah, you don't get to determine that.

I want my money, right?

Guess what? I think the cream will still rise to the top. I think the guys that are dedicated, that have a lot— like Floyd Mayweather, when he was worth hundreds of millions of dollars, would still never drink and run home from the club.

From the club.

So the people driving his Rolls-Royce, he's running behind it.

Yeah, I mean, look at— look at Arman, man. That guy's got money. He didn't give a shit.

He's got a private jet.

Yeah, he's Armin's got a private jet.

At least he's always on a private jet. Seems like he owns it. Jesus.

Yeah, I think he's got some cash.

His family has tons of money.

Yeah, but he still has a desire to be the best. Yeah, you know what I mean? It's either in you or it's not with that, you know?

Maybe that's why he can't get his attitude together too, you know?

Perhaps, right? He doesn't need it.

Yeah, a bit spoiled in that way, right?

Yeah.

Who's disciplining him, you know what I mean? He runs his town, I'm sure.

What do you guys think about Hange? Khamzat and Strickland?

I— that's— well, let me tell you, this comes down to Strickland's motivation. Well, I mean, you got to be fucking motivated. But I mean, he's worked with him before. I mean, they— I know they say that Khamzat submitted him, but if you hear Strickland talk about it, they were doing like positional rounds when you're starting on the back.

Started on his back.

I mean, come on. But I think when they moved around, I think he feels pretty confident with it. He's a hard guy to keep down, Sean. One. Yeah. And cardio is gonna be on point. Who made Khamzat look human? Gilbert Burns, Kamaru Usman. I mean, they made him look human, you know. And Dreykus, again, not— you don't want to see that rematch, but take the fifth. But in that fifth round, he, he did get into some decent positions. He just got reversed right away. I mean, Sean, if there's any bit of blood in the water, he's fucking a finisher. He's, you know what I mean, he'll stay on him. Or if he's hurt at all, He's durable. I mean, and everybody's saying how underrated his grappling is, the guys that are working with him. So I mean, it's—

that's all I've heard too. And he's so hard to hit, man. He's got a weird style. It's very weird. He fucks you up, and he's really good at moving back away from—

he's circling out while the hands are in your face.

Yeah, it's weird.

He also throws like looping shots on purpose sometimes. Like, you would think it's bad technique, but he's like finding a way around your guard. Yeah, he's catching you with weird stuff. And his fucking jab is on point. Did you—

were you at the—

was you calling that one? No, I was there for that.

And you could hear it.

Like, you don't always hear that. You could hear the thud in his jab when Fluffy was blocking him, and it was hard.

He was mixing his kicks in there well. He's gonna have to watch that.

And he wasn't getting hit, man. The thing about him, if you— if you watch him when he's on point, he's so fucking hard to hit. He just fucked up with Alex. You just can't make any mistakes.

It seems like everybody fucks up with Alex. Yeah, he's the freak.

Yeah, he doesn't negotiate with you. He's just like, you fuck up, it's over.

Do you think that, um, do you think that translates to heavyweight with Gane? I don't think so. I don't—

I think Gane is a little bit too—

I think Gane would decision him. Good chance of fucking dancing and jabbing his way to victory.

But that's what I'm saying, like, Gane is gonna like—

if he doesn't play that game, I think Alex will fucking— could put him out.

Here's one thing Gon hasn't been 185 pounds since he was 12, right? Yeah, I mean, that's a big heavyweight, athletic, moves like a cat, and he's got world-class striking skills, man. That Tom Aspinall fight, that first round opened up a lot of eyes. Like, he looked fucking good.

It opened eyes, all right. Fucking Tom's eyes. Hey dude, I feel bad for Tom, man, because we talk about a guy that got the shit end of the stick, right? Yeah, knuckle deep in his fucking eye. 2 surgeries, and everybody's like, ah, walk it off.

I just think that was handled poorly right after the fact. You know, I think you have to address right after the fact that you have to probably tell people like what kind of injuries can be sustained from this. They're permanent. Look at Michael Bisping, still can't see out of his right eye. You can't, you can't just have a guy go back into a fight when he can't see. It's crazy. It's crazy to ask. The guy's eye's been injured. If he gets hit again again, it could rupture. Who knows? Who knows what kind of damage you have back there.

So who do you think was irresponsible?

Well, responsible? Cyril Gane.

Yeah, I mean, but in terms of handling the situation afterwards, you think it was Tom's fault or the UFC for not being like getting his back on it?

If I was doing a press conference afterwards, what I would emphasize first and foremost is how dangerous eye pokes are. Yeah, but I think we've neglected needed some simple solutions, you know. And I think there's, there's got to be a solution that we use to stop these fucking fingers from going into people's eyes.

Point deduction right away.

Point deduction is the easiest.

Yeah.

One, I— you touch someone's eyeball with your fingers, well, unless it's a complete scramble, yeah, doing this, his head happens to be there.

Yeah, maybe.

But if you're doing this when a guy's coming in and your fingers go in his eyes, one point every fucking time. Every fucking time.

For sure.

No No judge's discretion. Yeah, no, you know, no referee's discretion. Poke in the eye, ow, 1 point.

Did you ever ask Dana about the Pride gloves? What happened to them?

I did. You know, I don't—

they should own that tech, right?

That's good. The best stuff is Trevor Wittman's. Right, just pay the man a little bit of money. I was trying to broker something, and I might still be able to do that, to try to figure out a way to just like— those gloves are perfect. The knuckles curve over, your hands are in this position. Yes, it does not impede your grappling. It's easy to do that if you want to, but the natural position is like this. So if you're doing this, it's because you wanted to do that. It's not like the gloves are forcing your hand open like a lot of people complain about now. They can just—

all mad scientists doing this.

Here's the mad scientist: cover the tips of the fingers. You don't use them anyway.

True.

Nobody does this, right? So if you don't— if you're always grappling like this, right? Yes. So cover it with like a mitten.

Yeah, little mittens, like a leather— with a leather top, like a nice little mitten. So it's—

your thumbs are free, so you still have some potential eye pokes from thumbs, but that mitigates a lot of it. That mitigates a lot of it, and you completely stop all this stuff because now you have a solid thing. Yeah, it's not going to go knuckle deep in. One finger goes in, one finger's on your eyebrows, and it's just fucking digging in. That's crazy. Crazy. That would all stop if you had a mitten.

Well, I mean, there's not a lot of eye pokes in bare knuckle, right?

Right.

That is interesting.

And it's because they're always like this. Yeah, because they're noted. So it's just these guys, they get in there and they're just like—

yeah.

So the way to stop it, really, I mean, it's take away points and guys will be like this more.

Yeah.

Well, I wonder if there would be less eye pokes in just— if you just think about, uh, MMA with gloves on if it was just boxing and no kicking and takedowns. Maybe it's like all the different possibilities of things that happen.

That's what it is. It's like they're trying to avoid the takedown and everything. And blocking kicks.

Yeah, everything. So that's why you're doing this. Because Muay Thai guys do this all the time. Boxing guys very rarely do that.

No.

Very rarely.

Yeah.

Unless they're showing off and they're about to hit you with a big right hand.

Bang!

Like Deontay Wilder. Right. Yeah, he'll be screaming out like crazy. Yeah, old school Deontay Wilder would literally hold his fist in front of your face and then wing one, wing a nuclear bomb at your head.

I think you just got to discourage guys to close your hands, cover the fingers.

Is he fighting Joshua?

I don't know, I don't know.

I thought I heard something about that.

That's a tough fight.

He's too skinny for that at this point.

He looked good in the Chisora fight in moments. There was moments he said, I love you, and then Chisora said, I love you too. Oh, and then he hit him, knocked him out of the ring. Deontay said he backed off on him because he saw he was hurt and he wanted him to go home to his I love you too. He fucking did ayahuasca, and I think a lot of times when a straight-up assassin like Deontay Wilder meets God, oh yeah, it takes a lot of that mean out of your heart. You need a little of that mean to land those haymakers. You got to be angry.

True.

Yeah, you don't want to be half a hippie when you're going in there.

You want to talk about one-punch power though, that guy might be the greatest of all time. Time. Deontay, he was pretty damn close. 48 knockouts, yeah, 49 fights.

He was—

yeah, he was fucking people up.

And he was not a great technical boxer. He started late in life. That right hand just was— fuck, Thor's hammer was dropping on people's heads.

Teddy Atlas always calls it the eraser. Any mistakes you make, that right hand erases them all.

I always wanted to see him fight in God Ngannou.

That would have been wild.

That would have been the fight to make. Him and Ngannou would have been the fight to make.

Them two bombing at each other.

They could actually still do that.

Yeah, why not?

They could still do that. Like, Ngannou, if you want to look at it from a business standpoint, man, that guy's killed it, right?

Yeah.

Went over, got that crazy contract with the PFL. He got a chance to fight Tyson Fury, knocks him down, becomes a legend, then gets a big money fight with Anthony Joshua that doesn't go so good. And then he has his reintroduction to MMA. He fights that dude, Hannon, right?

The 6'8" Brazilian guy.

Takes him down, smashes him, beats him down. So he made what, $20 million in that fight? Something crazy like that. He had a crazy contract, right?

Yeah.

And he had a contract where his opponent had to make at least $2 million.

Yeah.

Who does that?

Yeah.

How do you not love the guy?

I know.

How do you not love that, right? He puts it into his opponent must make at least $2 million. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't know.

And now, and now he's got to be making a lot for this Netflix thing.

Netflix thing, they got to pay him because they need legit names. And you know, Felipe Lins, he fought at light heavyweight in UFC, right?

Yeah. Yep.

Yeah, I, I worked with him a bit at Top Team, and I mean, I just— this is a big moment for him. It's all I can say. Like, I don't know how he's going to do. It's a big moment for him.

Yeah, I'm happy Nate is making that money. Mike Perry I'm happy for them.

Yeah, I heard those guys are getting paid. It's nice because this is, this is a thing where if a fighter is in contract negotiations, they have their last fight on the contract and they decide not to fight or not to sign until after the fight. Yeah, they do make that decision, which legally they can do, right? Yeah. And also, no, I'm just calling. Yeah, yeah, especially if you win big. Yeah, win big, stunning knockout, for sure. And then, you know, you come over to Netflix and make, what, $12 million a fight? That's nuts. And that forces everybody, forces everybody's hand. That's what business is supposed to do. That's how it's supposed to operate. It's good. That's what's good for the fighters. That's the most important thing. And that's good, right?

But that's just like, that's why I'm hoping that this Netflix thing can be sustainable.

I hope so too. Yeah, because like, if they just do a one-off, it's like, again, I'm a terrible businessman. Yeah, I'm terrible at it.

Yeah, me too.

But just give the money to the fighters. They, they, they're the ones who fight, right? Without that, you got nothing, right? Everybody's making plenty of money. Yeah, come on.

It's gonna be big though, for sure, this thing. Everybody's gonna watch it, I think.

100%. It'll be huge because it's— everybody has Netflix, they're gonna watch it. It's gonna be crazy. Ronda could become a superstar again. Well, she's already a superstar, but I mean, if she wins again, then people start talking about like maybe Ronda's gonna come back to the UFC. And then maybe it is like a WWE moment. Ronda and Dana shake hands on a stage with like Erika Kirk fireworks going off behind them. Ronda and Kayla Harrison, White House lawn number 2 next, next summer.

Oh, I don't think she would do well in the UFC, but this is great for her.

She's done with the WWE and all that stuff.

Yeah. Yeah, I bet it's probably hard for a— I mean, she probably enjoyed the job, it was a great job, made her a lot of money, but it's probably hard for an elite competitor to do these stage things. I mean, she's an elite competitor because, like, instinctively she just wants to do—

compete 100%.

She doesn't want to fake compete.

I mean, some guys did it right. Kurt Angle turned out to be a real good pro wrestler, you know, despite being a gold medalist.

It's a great big, don't get me wrong, but I'm saying for someone who still can fight—

oh, you just got injured. Your angle was done at that point when he went to pro wrestling.

I went to—

won the Olympics with a broken neck.

She's savage.

I just went to the, uh, the headquarters in Connecticut. It's pretty wild.

Oh nice.

Yeah, Stephanie McMahon's, uh, podcast. She's very nice, Stephanie McMahon. Nice. And, uh, I seen that whole fucking place. If you're into WWE, it's like a fucking nerdgasm, right? I'm not really into it, bro.

Tony would cream his pants. Oh my God, he's already been there, I'm sure.

Oh yeah, he would.

He's working with them now.

Is he?

Oh yeah, yeah, he's doing stuff with the WWE.

Is he writing for him, or he's gonna be in some shows?

He's gonna be a bad guy doing some things.

He should be like a manager.

Happy. He's so happy.

That's great.

I don't know how much I could talk about this. I have to be quiet. I don't know how much this is public. But they're doing it.

They've already—

they're announcing they're doing some stuff with Kill Tony, and he's gonna roast like WWE people. They're gonna do some stuff like that. They're doing a lot of collaborations together. It's perfect. That guy's a giant wrestling fan.

He loves it. Yeah, the guys that love it love it. That's like fucking—

and he's the best roaster too, man. When I be seeing him at the fights, I don't say shit. I'm like, yo, I don't want him coming at me.

He had Dana's back.

That's my boy.

Yeah, he had Dana's back for the fucking time we had to do do that thing at the Laugh Factory. Oh yeah, yeah, they were like, yeah, we're gonna do this thing and nobody's coming in prepared. Meanwhile, he had Tony Hinkliff.

Yeah, 2 months prior.

That's hilarious. Yeah, Tony's the best at that shit. He's the best at cracking people, cracking on people, cutting people down.

But the people that love that soap opera, like, the WWE, it's I don't hate on it. I see how much they love it.

It keeps you entertained, man.

They like it. You know what I mean?

They're really smart at mixing things up and bringing in new characters and having new crazy moments. And if you're a nerd like Tony, like, yeah, they go nuts. But it's like the same escape.

It's a male soap opera.

Yeah, but it's like the same kind of escape that you get if you're watching Game of Thrones. It's just an escape. Sure, this is crazy. Oh my God, he's back from the dead. See, I—

but that's where I draw the line. I just—

I can't do it, man.

I draw the line there. I can't do that.

And I got— I ain't got no—

I got no problem with it. I just can't do it.

I'm in the same camp as you. It's not my thing. I don't watch it, but I respect it. I respect how hard it is to do.

Yeah.

Oh yeah, it's fucking very difficult to do.

Remember, remember, man, we wrestled it, uh, in Memphis.

Yeah, we did a little thing in the street. We had a— but we were just winging it. Yeah, I was hoping you just me get a submission? Will you fight me off? Come on, man, let me just strike.

I hurt my knee. It was tough, man.

I ain't—

I was like, damn, this is harder than I thought.

Oh, them guys take a beating for sure. You can learn how to fall, but you're still falling.

Yeah. I've met Hulk Hogan twice. Well, I'd met him before when he did a promo with me with the UFC. It was when we were on— I think we're on Spike back then.

Yeah.

But I met him a long time ago, and he's like— he was 6'5". He's this giant fucking dude. I was like, holy shit, it's Hulk Hogan. Hogan. And then I saw him the last time he did my podcast, and he's like 4 inches shorter. And it's all from getting all of his spine fused.

About to say you're the same height now.

Wait a minute, he was like a big guy still, but it was— he used to be a giant. He was like this towering fucking crazy guy, bald. He was so fun. That dude was so fun. But that's how many back surgeries he had, and he said it was all from that move that he had where he dropped down. Oh, no kidding.

And then the big seat drop.

Exactly. So the seat drop, every time he does that, he's compressing his disks.

300, 300 plus.

Yeah, 300 fucking pounds every night, dropping down every night and just blowing his back out. His back was just destroyed.

Wow.

Destroyed. Every, every vertebrae destroyed, every disk blown apart, herniations all throughout it. Barely could walk.

I was watching The Princess Bride the other day with fucking Andre the Giant.

Giant. What a great—

anybody want a peanut? Yeah, he's fucking great.

My name is Diego Montoya.

I love that.

You killed my father.

Yeah, it's such a great, such a great movie.

It was a great movie.

Great movie.

Yeah, I put that on for the family, have the kids watch it. It's a classic.

Yeah, that's one that lasts ages. It goes through generations. Look at that fucking—

yeah, yeah, it holds up.

Fucking love it. They don't make them like that anymore.

I just saw that Project Hail Mary. That's a nice one for the family.

What is that?

It's what Ryan Gosling goes to space and fucking has to save the world type of thing. But, uh, you know, it's more than that, but that's pretty much the premise.

Where are these Artemis people at now? Are they, are they passing the moon yet? They already did. They passed it.

What happened?

So they— when did they— did they land yet? Are they back back yet? Where are they? Should be probably back in the next day or two.

Well, who's going where?

They went around the moon.

They went all the way around the moon.

All the way around the moon. No, no, they just went around and saw the dark side. Yeah, they took photos of the dark side.

Oh, really?

Yeah. But they crashed on Friday. Splash. Splash on Friday.

I was getting ready to say, what, they crashed?

So they land tomorrow.

Wow.

So they— so the dark side of the moon is only dark when the moon's not. It's it's not dark. Like, the sun still hits it the same amount the sun hits the light side of the moon.

Is that true?

Yes. The way the— I used to think— I'm a retard. I used to think that the, the reason why we only see one side of the moon is because the moon doesn't spin.

That's what I thought.

No, no, the moon not only spins around us, but it rotates. But when we see it, the only time we see the moon during a full moon or a quarter moon or whatever it is, is when the sun is hitting the side that's always is facing us, right? So when, when it goes the other way, gotcha, that there's a different side that's facing us, but we don't ever get to see it because it's dark, right? That's what it is.

So we— but so they took pictures of the other side?

Exactly. Yeah. And there's aliens everywhere. I was about to say, yeah, civilization on the other side.

What's on the other side?

And in that, in that movie, he finds an alien, by the way. Oh, he does? It's not really a spoiler. It's in the middle. Trailers.

I had that guy Bob Lazar on again recently.

Who's that?

You want to see a great documentary? It's fun. The first, I would say, Jeremy Corbell's documentary, which is Area 51, Bob Lazar and Flying Saucers. That was called Bob Lazar, Area 51 and Flying Saucers. So this guy was a back-end— he was an engineer, and he was hired to work on these spacecrafts that he didn't know what the fuck they they were. And they told him, like, try to figure out this propulsion system. They brought him into this hangar, and this is in like 1988, and it's a flying saucer. It looks exactly like that thing on the desk.

Jesus.

And it has an American flag sticker on it. And so he's like, oh, it must be ours. Like, and then he gets in it, he's like, what the fuck is this? It's made for people that are 3 feet tall. There's no controls, no buttons, nothing.

Why are you looking at me, motherfucker?

Why? Because you're the only guy that can fly.

Feet tall, you look right at me, you son of a bitch.

But he's got a new one out called S4. I recommend it to anybody. It's a— they did like CGI and they de-aged it on Netflix or YouTube. No, it's on Amazon.

Amazon.

Some other places.

What's it called again?

S4.

S4.

I just saw— I was just watching a series with you on that, Ancient Apocalypse.

Was I on that?

Yeah, you was in that with—

oh, with Graham Hancock. That's right, that's right.

Yeah, Graham's my Man, do you know, uh, Rodrigo Gracie? Yeah, good buddy of mine, uh, my, uh, my old roommate. He, he's a fucking wacky guy. He's fucking funny, funny as shit. So, you know, we were just out to eat last night with Danaher. We were talking about him.

God, I love that guy.

And he's like, oh, he's great. And he's like, oh, I'm glad Rodrigo's matured. I was talking about how he's doing good. He just visited me, did my podcast, and he did did a seminar at my place. So, you know, I was catching up with him. So he told me he was visiting Area 51 with his wife, and he goes, so yeah, you know, I always wanted to go there. So me and Fernanda, we drove down there, and no, nothing was happening. So then I'm driving back— you got to drive back hours through like the dark desert, right? So he's driving back, and he goes, Fernanda fell asleep, so I had my laser pointer, so I'm just pointing at a sign, pointing this. He goes, Matt— and then I saw blue lights in the distance. He goes, oh, I could— I want to make contact. He goes, well, he goes, she was sleeping, so I started taking my laser pen and pointing at it. He goes, and I didn't think nothing of it. And then all of a sudden I'm driving and I hear a yellow circle around my car. Car. And I wake up Fernanda, she's like, what did you do?

And he's like, I just took my laser pen. It was a helicopter fucking following him, like, just— and he goes, he goes, he was getting down to like almost my roof. I didn't know what to do. They had a yellow spot around my fucking car. So I— she told me, I— we called the police. So we— they, you know, they go, look, there's a, there's a helicopter following us. And they go, is you— are you in a— they said the car the everything. They go, the authorities are waiting for you at the rest stop up or whatever. So he goes to the rest stop, takes his laser pointer, he gets there, he throws it in the garbage. I don't know why. And then he comes out, they, they're like, look, they, they put him in cuffs. And he goes to his wife, he goes, go in there and get the laser pen, it's in the bathroom. She goes in the men's room through the garbage, finds it. So they're saying, all right, you would, you were You were shooting, interfering with a military helicopter or whatever it is. Like, in other words, it's a major crime here that he could be facing.

He goes, man, he goes, I was shitting myself. The two pilots come over, one of them takes off the helmet, cauliflower ears. He goes, fucking thank you, trained under my cousin. He goes, my wife's yelling at me. So he got out of it. The guy trained under—

he's a brown belt.

Dude, that's so lucky.

I know, fucking Rodrigo, man. Only you, bro.

That's so lucky. Yeah, they probably thought they were trying to like fuck with planes because kids do that. They shine laser beams at planes. It's like a real problem.

Is it?

It would get in their eyes while they're fucking flying the planes. Yeah, the lasers go all the way up to a plane.

I used to be with Rodrigo on 27th Street. He's like, Dad, watch this. We'd be at the window, guys walking down the street. Street. Fucking, he's like, ah, look at him jump up there for cover. You're going to hell. Still getting him in trouble.

That's so ridiculous. Yeah, a lot of people would think it's a laser sight on a rifle. Exactly.

What the fuck he's doing?

Take that down. Don't do that. Don't do that around here.

He thought he was making contact.

He's making contact. He's got a chopper.

Yeah, they keep talking about making contact. I'm tired of hearing about about it.

Let's do it already, goddamn it. Yeah, I want to see it.

Yeah, it's just dick teasing us.

Yeah, shit, I don't think—

but you're a sci-fi guy.

Oh man, have you watched the Dune movies or no?

No, I know, I want to give it a shot. I do, I don't have any time. They were good when I get home too. Like, if it's like late at night when I'm home and I'm by myself watching shit, I don't want to watch anything like that. I want to watch documentaries.

I, I was about to say, man, Take a week off of a documentary on the fucking—

no, I gotta be like, dude, we're not gonna find out what happened next week. They're getting close, man.

The Dune movies are so fucking good.

They're amazing.

Josh Brolin is great in it. Now they got the Dune Messiah.

Yeah, Momoa was in it.

Yeah, they got a third one coming out, right?

Yep, third one coming out. And this guy can't miss this.

Everybody keeps telling me how awesome they are.

They are good.

They are good. No, they're very good.

I tried to watch it, it was kind of slow.

Yeah, you know what, I do get that. It's kind of slow.

Accepting opinions. Yeah, I don't know.

Hey, you know what else? Who else is coming out with a movie?

Who?

Just like we planned. Remember you told me, hey, bring that shit up. He came out with a—

paid him flowers. Flowers.

I did a show.

Hey, wait, wait, that's why Dean picked up dinner last night.

I see.

Oh no, I did that because of my new job with Paramount.

I'll tell you right now, you almost give me a heart attack when you reach for that fucking bill. Yeah.

Is this a movie that you put together? Yeah, yeah.

What's it about?

It's a— yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's about a female in an abusive relationship.

Wow, look at you, Mr. Sensitive.

There it is, there it is.

Flowers. Oh boy. No shit. The multi-talented.

Yeah, you know, nothing to do with cage fighting.

Look at That's incredible, dude. Congratulations. That's awesome.

Yeah, I'm gonna start, uh, shopping at the film festivals.

Yeah, next week.

So that's awesome, dude. That's awesome. Yeah, I like when people spread their wings.

You got to, like, you know, life is short and you don't want to be in a box, you know. You want to be able to do all kind of different things and you can do whatever the fuck you want. You can do whatever the fuck you want. Yeah, yeah. So I try to do whatever the fuck I want.

I'm telling you, that's how to live.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's how I live. There's too many people out there not doing what they want to do. That's a hell—

it makes me sad, actually.

It's a sad existence. Yeah, you know, and a lot of people are doing it because, like, you got to take care of your family, and I get it and I respect it. Maybe you have a good time at work, that's great. But if there's a thing you want to do while you're still breathing, I know, do it. Do it. You should try, at least try it. Get it out of your head.

I feel so fortunate when I fucking have my day today day, you know what I mean? Yeah, because I'm not like you, then, Thomas. I don't want to do shit. He's got another job every other week.

He does.

He's asking how I'm doing. I'm like, dude, my school, Talio's Pizzeria, no Bromate, no bleach, and my pod— my podcast I'm having fun with, and UFC Unfiltered. Dude, it's just such a perfect little thing for me. I don't want to do anything else.

Beautiful.

It's so much fun.

That's the— there's there's a lot of power in saying no. Oh, you know, saying no to things. I don't want to do anything more. Like, just enjoy what you're doing. Yeah, you don't have to keep piling on. But the thing is, once things start going good, you start saying, oh, I better not say no to nothing. No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, they're offering me that, I should do that. Yeah, I'll find the time.

But once— but once you get to the point where you can say no, that's a great place to be.

Oh, that's the best place.

Is your heart in it or not? Do you want to do that? Exactly, exactly, man. The day-to-day, your day-to-day life. That's what I love about Longo. Longo's, you know, it's funny, he's holding for my daughter now, which is so great. She had her first kickboxing match and won. I told you, but like, you sent us the pictures in the group chat. Yeah, yeah, that's amazing, right?

But it's such a proud moment.

Oh, so proud. And it's so, it's just so cool, man, when I see him holding for her. Like, he doesn't have, like, you know, he just, that guy just, he's the best. He's just doing the same thing.

You and him, he's old. If somebody— Paramount was smart, they would do a fucking— a whole series of you and him traveling to fights, working with people, hanging out, and cornering each other. You guys in the corner are so— it's fucking— I'm like, keep the camera on Sarah.

Ain't that the truth?

It's the truth. We always talk about it in the commentary, like, it's fucking awesome watching you guys in a corner. Good technical advice, but it's just fun. You guys are fun together.

Just on an amateur card, we just got brought back together for one of my fighters, Adrian. And this young Filipino guy, he's a good kid. He's a nurse, always smiling.

They're all nurses, brother.

He went in.

My wife's a nurse.

Filipino.

But he went in there and he's just like, I just have just my one wish is to have you and Ray in my corner. He's such a nice kid. So we went in there, we cornered him. We didn't have to work the corner though. The first round, he flatlined this guy.

Nice.

Oh man. So yeah, man.

You guys are great on your podcast together too.

Yeah, that's my friend.

You got a good chemistry.

You got a crazy I see friendship. It's perfect. It's like the banter's hilarious. The two of you guys, you complement each other perfectly. It would be a great show.

I'm telling you, you better do something soon before the first episode is me and the guys taking Longo to a home. He's not getting any younger. Hey guys, field trip!

Longo, where are we going?

Don't let him talk to you like that, Ray. I'm in your corner, Ray.

Fucking road trip to the fucking home, Longo. Got a lot of life.

He's fucking—

oh my gosh, great.

What do you think of, um, Gilbert Burns versus Mike Malot? Is Gilbert Burns lost 4 in a row, but he did it to all killers. Yeah, you know what I mean?

Lot's a tough guy. Lot's getting better.

Only lost once to Neil Magny in a fight that he was doing great in, but then he got Neil Magny because that guy's fucking—

never gets tired, never gets tired, never gives up. Discipline, always in shape.

He righted the ship since then.

Yeah.

And that kid's like the next Captain Canada. He's doing— people, yeah, they make an unfair comparison like, are you the next George? That type of thing. But he's his own fighter, right? He's got a great skill set, good head on his shoulders, family of studs. His brother's like an ice hockey fucking—

it's a good test for him, Gilbert, at this stage of his career, you know?

Yeah, see if he still got it. Yeah, you know, he's the first guy to make Khamzat look human.

But when Morales did that to Gilbert, I was like, Jesus Christ, Morales mouse is terrifying. He looks so big, it doesn't make any sense. I know, he doesn't make any sense.

So when we— I was with Brady when Brady got beat by him, and the way he looked okay, right? Like, you know, a guy, he's 170 pounds.

Then the next day, we—

he steps into the cage and we're just looking like, oh my God, he was huge.

Massive, massive.

Yeah.

And when you're that much taller, that the— and you're, you're the better striker, God, that's such a—

yeah, it's a huge advantage.

Like, He just—

because you can stand 6 feet away from a guy and just be like—

Ogari last week.

Oh my God, man, you're talking about—

yeah, like, I know, man. Sure, what— he trained it with Ground Control as a kid and before he went off to college and all. And I mean, the only thing I can say, first off, obviously he was not ready for him yet, but he definitely showed a lot of heart because he fucking stayed in there and took up too much.

Yeah, I was just thinking the exact same thing.

I hope he comes back. I mean, that was— I personally, knowing him, I felt horrible watching that.

I was like, he wasn't ready for that yet. Yeah, there's— when you get an elite striker, you got to realize that guy beat Pereira in Glory. Yeah, Pereira knocked him out twice after that, but in the first fight, he beat Pereira.

I think people thought he looked, uh, like ordinary in his first couple. Like, he came out with a new version and it was fucking impressive.

He's fucking good, and he's training with Pereira now. Yeah, you know, that's a great fucking camp, and Glover has so much knowledge. Yeah, he's— that guy was in the dark for 6 years where he couldn't get into America, and during those 6 years, he was the boogeyman. Everybody talked about Glover. They're like, there's a guy that's in Brazil, he can't get to America, but if that guy gets here, he's fucking everybody up. And that was Glover. Glover was a— he was always training with Chuck, Chuck, and, um, in— yeah, yeah.

And they're in Danbury, Connecticut.

So, and that's it.

They're not in Vegas.

They ain't shit to do out there.

Yeah, all they doing is training.

Yeah, yeah, dude, just nothing but Lyme disease in the woods, right?

Yeah, and federal prison in Danbury.

Yeah, yeah, Connecticut is— it's a good place to just not get distracted, just get to work.

Danbury is where Rodrigo Gracie broke my elbow.

I was there.

Yeah, you was at?

I was there.

I didn't know you was there. Niagara, you know I was there.

Yeah, damn. Do you have to get pins in it?

No, they, they, I mean, they reset it, cast it, no pins.

He told that story at the seminar.

Oh, he did? Yeah, because I had to bring that up, man. I was like, 25 years ago.

Because we weren't close at the time. Oh, and I was yelling shit, but I, I regret that too. What did you Well, because he let it go, he let it go, and you didn't tap. Well, yeah, and right, which was great. And then I was yelling at him for letting it go, which I was just psychotic because you're my friend now. Yeah, at the time it was just—

well, to be fair, like, if I knew it was going to break, I would have tapped. Yeah, yeah, I didn't know it was going to break, right?

Yeah, yeah, that's what the story told. Anything he said that Henzel yelled at to after that.

For letting it go?

Why'd you— what, you getting soft? Yeah, why you let that shit go?

I gotta get Renzo in here. Oh man, he's the best.

He's definitely—

we were gonna do it at one time, but he was only in Austin for a short amount of time and I didn't have anything open. I couldn't get him in. I'd love to sit down with that guy. What a legend.

Yeah, stories for days.

And he's one of those guys, like, you hear about a guy getting a black belt and you're like, okay. And you go, you got a black belt from Renzo? You're like, oh, okay, definitely. Okay, it's like Renzo, Hickson, Jean-Jacques Machado. There's a few of those guys that are like, okay, that's a real black belt. Like, I mean, Renzo's New York place is like one of the most legendary places in the history of jiu-jitsu. If you had to write a history of jiu-jitsu, the Renzo Academy in New York City— yeah, holy shit, man.

100%. He came over in '96, we had like an in-school tournament, you know what I mean? It was great because Craig Kukoc already had two schools for him. He had a Jersey school And where's that guy? No clue, man. No one— he went to like— that was my first instructor, but he was not an easy guy to— he'd never let you get too close.

I bought all the tapes. I learned a mount escape. Yeah, it worked one day. I was like, oh shit, it worked.

He was a very good teacher. I had—

I was with him early Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt. He's a black belt, like early '90s, right? Like the Steve Maxwell era.

He was one of the earliest ones. I found out about him through the Gracie newsletter. That I was applied to at like 17. I used to get that because I would buy the tapes, you get a newsletter. And one newsletter, it was like every few months, it was announcing the first American black belt. And then like 2 newsletters later, they disowned them.

They had a business.

But I'm like, but then I found out through Black Belt Magazine that he was teaching in the Village one day a week in the city. I go, all right, they might have disowned them, but they couldn't take away his skill set. There was no place to learn in the— on the East Coast except for Maxwell in Philly. So that's how I found Kookuck, and then he partnered up with Henzo, and then I went with Henzo when they broke up, obviously.

Why did they break up?

I remember Henzo took me out to eat one time, and he's like, look— and I always got— I got along with Henzo so much better right off the bat. Like, Henzo was just so warm and great, and he'd invite me over his house, and he was just such a— and Craig was always kind of a wall. He was a big big German guy, just— but, uh, I remember one time he told me, like, look, something with the business where he wasn't feeling like he was being treated fairly. I'll just leave it like that. And then, uh, he goes, look, he goes, if no one likes Craig, he goes, if you go with him and, and me, he goes, people will go with him because of you, because they like you. And, but I want you to come with me. I go, look, I go ahead. And at first I'm like, is any— you know, I was a young kid, I didn't know. I go, is there any way you guys could make up? He goes, Man, if it was Brazil, he'd be already dead. All right, okay, Enzo. All right, I get you. So much for that.

So I went with Enzo, and Craig kind of left town.

So Matt, where were you in the pecking order in terms of American black belts from Enzo?

I'm the first American under Enzo.

Okay, that's amazing.

That's crazy.

That's amazing. That's amazing.

That's something that could— that's my biggest achievement right there. You know, he took me under his wing, Hanzo. Again, I was a purple belt. He got me out of a security guard booth, taking me to Japan to corner him versus Rings because he wanted to have me to see what it's like backstage. Dude, I was nobody. I didn't do anything yet. I'm like, oh shit, really? Japan? So he would just do stuff like that. Yeah, he did. He put a lot into me, so I can't thank him enough, dude.

That's what I said.

That fucking can't You just think about how many elite black belts Renzo produced, and then think of the John Donahue branch of it. Yeah, no, yeah, right, right.

No, well, generationally, like, it just—

it dominates all the generations of jiu-jitsu, especially now if you think of what Donahue has done. Yeah, you know, I mean, his prize guy Gordon Ryan, greatest of all time, for sure.

But I mean, even on the other side, who they don't get along with so much now, like, like Nicky Rod and them are still from Donahue.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And all of the elite of the elite. Yeah, crazy lineage.

That's a guy that just put 100% of himself into it, and he's got a genius mind. I remember he didn't even own a television until my buddy Chad LeBron, who was moving back to Virginia, gave him something. He gave him one so he could watch. It had, I think, a VHS and a DVD thing where he wanted to just study wrestling tapes and Japanese tapes, and he just used it just to study.

I have a question for you. Whatever happened to Eddie Wolverine.

Yeah, so I asked him about that last night.

What's his last name again?

Uh, Cummins.

Cummins.

What did he say? He got into some kind of business now. He's not really training as much. God, that guy was good. Yeah, he was good.

It was leg locks, man, early in the day, like as the leg lock revolution was unfolding.

Yeah, that was John's first, you know, Savage he put out.

I remember. And, you know, just super, super technical, you know. Yeah, trained a lot of those guys in leg lock technique too. You know, they all shared techniques.

Oh yeah, I think it's just amazing that John drives. He never drove in New York, guys. I go, how'd you get here? He goes, oh, I drove. I go, you fucking—

with a rash guard on and a fanny pack and Adidas sweatpants.

He was dressed up last night. He had an all-black polo shirt on.

I go, yeah, New Zealand.

Yeah, yeah, a New Zealand all-black polo shirt.

I asked him, he goes, what, what, no rash guard? And he goes, oh, I got dressed up for you tonight.

Well, he probably went back home to his family and his mother was like Stop wearing the rash guard everywhere. It's crazy.

He's teaching at Kingsway now, Gordon's school. Now that Gordon's done competing, he's got that school going on.

He's like a character in a movie, like he's not supposed to exist.

Danner?

Yeah, he's a philosophy major at Columbia who falls in love with jiu-jitsu because he's a bouncer who wants to learn self-defense.

Who bounces at scores.

Yeah, right. He's He's like jacked, like powerlifter bouncer who played rugby.

He was like 220, he was yoked up.

Jacked. And so then he learns jiu-jitsu, becomes obsessed with jiu-jitsu, but his body's all fucked up from rugby. He's got a fucked up knee, then his hip gets fucked up, and so he can't really compete. But he is such a jiu-jitsu fanatic that he trains the best guys of all time. It's kind of nuts.

It is nuts.

And that's all he cares about. Like, he doesn't give a shit about anything. He doesn't give a fuck about social media. Look at John.

That's one of my favorite—

oh my God. Full head of hair, jacked, looking ready for a gay date.

John definitely—

almost looks like he had a skirt on. Yeah, it does. He was really jacked.

John definitely would rock a headgear too when he wrestled, for sure.

He was a bad motherfucker, dude. Bad motherfucker. I know a lot of people who rolled with him that were shocked. Yeah, yeah.

Oh yeah, dude.

John would do privates and wrestle everybody all day long.

Yeah, he lived it. You know, he still lives it. That's all he does.

And it's just so, you know, fortunate that you get a guy a guy who's that smart, like in everything. Like, he's really well-read with history, all kinds of— like, he's a very interesting guy to talk to, but he becomes obsessed only with jiu-jitsu. He didn't have a family. He doesn't know— yeah, he's a wife and kids got to take care of. I love that choking people.

When you have us out here, it's like a routine now. Now every time we come out, I get dinner with him. Yeah, I don't see him too often, so—

right, it's great.

It's like a little reunion.

Yeah, each time we come to town, I'd be with him how many days a week? We just train and go to BurritoVille.

They were in Puerto Rico during the pandemic and they were having a hard time there, and I was like, come to Texas, baby, come on down.

I'll tell you, you're the Pied Piper. They all ended up here.

Well, it's a fun place, man. It really is.

Well, I heard the whole Puerto Rico thing was good for a while though. I was talking to Nicky Rod about that. He said it was great. He was like, just like being in Puerto Rico with your friends in like a frat house training jiu-jitsu all day, it was amazing.

Well, especially because they were shut down.

Yeah.

And in Puerto Rico, you have outside, like, you can get light into the room, so it kills the fucking staph better. Yeah, right. How many guys got staph from that basement jiu-jitsu?

Right, right.

A lot of people got staph. There's a lot of funk that gets on those mats, and if you're not careful—

fucked up his belly with all the antibiotics.

That's from staph, dude.

My fucking belly just Joe, on the way here, on the way to the JFK, I told you, because I always got my issues, but I usually give myself— like, if I'm going somewhere, like on a car trip or anywhere, like, I clear out for at least an hour and a half to 2 hours. Like, I'll give myself my espresso in the morning, 2 seltzers, and then I just let it go to work. And I'm pushing on my belly because things get stuck in there. So I thought I gave myself enough time, and I was going to JFK from my house. It's 30 30 minutes, it was 9 in the morning. 10 minutes into that fucking car trip, I go, I'm not fucking making it. I go, I'm not, I go, I'm not making it. And the guy was, my driver was such a good guy. What a nice guy. I gave him a fifth, I gave him a fucking tip. Good tip. So we're driving, I go, alright, let me just keep watching videos on my phone. I'm like, let me just try to let my mind go somewhere. The clock wasn't moving. I look back, I go, that's another minute.

I go, there's no way I'm making this. So I'm on the Bell Parkway. It's not like you could just pull over. So I go, you know, I go, buddy, I go, I'm sorry, man. I go, I'm not gonna make it. I go, we gotta pull over. He goes, oh, he goes, oh, the Bell, there's nowhere really to pull over. You want me to take an exit? I go, get off an exit. I go, you're gonna have to do something. I go, I'm not making it. I go, can I get you, I go, can I have your 7-Eleven cup? I go, he goes, oh, do you have to pee? I go, no, I'm gonna shit in your cup. I go, no, I go, I'm sorry. I go, I'm sorry. I go, but I go, I go, I knew it was— it's just, it's gonna happen, and it's my biggest fucking fear, and it's coming to life. So he— this guy, you know, it's okay, no, he got over. We almost hit a fucking car. I'm on the side. There's not even bushes or anything. There was some, like, some, like, uh, nobody could see you. Everybody saw me, you know.

This guy, top of your head.

I got out. As I'm taking my pants down, fucking, I'm going, thank goodness I made irritated, and fuck, I get back in, I go, buddy, you shit in the cup? No, I didn't have shit, I just pissed. Oh, but it's like, well, I mean, I felt my, my asshole pulse, but nothing, you know, when you feel like, you know, what does it—

but it's like that with you when you have to pee too?

I sometimes I have to, I have to do both. Like, I'm like, I have this pee, but I know to really get it all out I have to push it. Hey everybody, how's my ass?

So with pee So like, you can't just hold pee, man?

I can, but not to this—

not like how you used to be able to?

No. Well, it's not like— it's one of those things where I have to clear out in the morning, and I thought I totally cleared out, but sometimes I'm like, all right, I'm good, I pushed out totally, and then it kind of just gets something else in the chamber or something. I'm like, oh no, oh no, there's still something left. So we're driving, I, I'm like, when I I get the feeling— it's, it's such a horrible feeling because you're— it's not about willpower, it's not about thinking of something. I'm like, dude, it's gonna fucking happen. This is the day that I just piss myself. It's gonna— but thank you, dude. I gave a custom— $78 for the road, for the trip. I gave him a $50 tip. I go, dude, thank you, bro. You're a fucking hero. This guy fucking saved my fucking ass. Because someone else, I'm like, they'd be like, Dude, fuck off with that. Like, or, or don't do this in my car, dude. I'm like, it's happening. I go, give me a cup. He's like, oh, do you have to pee? I go, obviously. But dude, he made it. But I couldn't, dude.

I fucking— a 30-minute drive there, I couldn't fucking make it.

That's crazy.

It's scary.

But as you get older, it's hard to hold it, man.

But no, I think it's my ulcerative colitis has to do with that, you know.

But because that sounds crazy, the dude comes on that quick.

It's— it was— I, I've had it before, but like that, I, I don't know if I told— I maybe said it the last time here. We were going to an aquarium out east with my family, and it was one of those things just like this. And I get out of the car, and then we're looking, and we— I'm like, all right, I can— and then I see there's like a line out the door. I go, I'm not making this. There's no way I'm making this. So I go, honey, I'm— she goes, okay, go, go. So I fucking— there's like a post office with those, those those bushes that come straight up, like they're all tight together. I fucking smoosh myself through. The second I take my dick out, fucking bees come around my fucking head. I go, dude, I'm gonna get stung because I'm not going out with my dick. And fucking— I didn't get stung, but I definitely had some on the front of my pants.

What are you gonna do? Sometimes I'm a very clean person.

Thank God it's related to that.

Imagine being a woman in that situation, man, right?

No, there's no hiding it. Oh, but, uh, yeah, man, these are the things you got to deal with when you get older a little bit. I am getting my stem cells. That's hopefully—

what is the cause of ulcerative colitis? What do they say causes it?

Ah, I don't know. I mean, I think some of it's my history. I know one of my brothers had Crohn's, which is even worse. Crohn's disease. Yeah, man, like, so I know my Grandfather, when he was getting older though, we had some shit.

Have you ever like swore off pasta? Well, just like taken like months off. I wouldn't try to go carnivore.

I did go gluten-free for a while, you know, but you know, they even espresso. I go, come on, man, I got this.

I know, I'm with you. Every time I go to New York, I have to eat Italian food. Like, I'm looking forward to Made, the Jersey shows, so I can get some fucking New Jersey Italian food.

I can't take it. I gotta take you to Talio's, bro. You'll love this pizza.

Let's go!

You will. You loved it.

Oh yeah, I'm trying to come up next week.

Sure, I love it. I'm sure I love pizza.

No, no, just their fucking— no bleach, no probate. Don't give me stuff. But it's so— I— because I could eat it. I could eat 3 slices on the way to my school and I'm not fucked up. I could train and it's fucking— if I did that with a fucking regular slice of pizza, dude, I want to take a nap. Yeah, you know. So it's even— my wife now orders the, the zero zero flour —yeah, we get that shit. She makes the pizza, she makes fresh bread. I feel like out of Game of Thrones.

I'm dipping it in my soup. That place, the Vegas place I took you to, Gaetano's. Yeah, all Italian flour, all handmade pasta.

Oh yeah, tonight we want to go to a place. Let's go! I want to fucking do that thing. Get to my fucking hotel and shit myself. If you did that, if it would have an effect, you know You know who cured his fucking ulcerative colitis is Georges St-Pierre. How did he— he said it's one of the reasons why he was stopping fighting, fasting. Really?

Yeah, fasting did that.

That's what he said. I mean, but he does some hardcore like 3-day long shit.

Yeah, he does like at least 3, right? 3 days. Nah, I can't do that. I do 24 hours sometimes. Yeah, but that's not that hard, you know.

Yeah, I mean, you just, you stay busy enough. I think if you're busy, definitely.

You could just eat a big dinner and then donate to the next dinner.

What is that? Cherry Cola? Oh dude, you know you got—

yeah, you got him. It all started from here.

It's already all started from here. But, uh, thank you.

It is tasty. Oh, that's delicious.

Yeah, that's good. I love it.

They're illegal in California.

They are. Isn't everything?

You can't— you can't have flavored nicotine in California. What the fuck?

Why? What the hell is that about?

Is that like Like, because they just want to be able to tell you what to do. Yeah, that's how— that is a symptom of the— you could go buy whiskey, you go to CVS and buy a jug of whiskey and drink yourself to death, but you can't buy flavored Zins. That makes no sense. That makes zero sense. You can't buy flavored vapes because they don't want to encourage kids, because you know how kids are. They just want to— they want flavored Zins. I guess. Now I'm talking about it all the time. So fucking stupid. It's so stupid. California's just so dumb. They just want to tell you what to do. It's a bunch of nannies. And if it's legal, they're going to tax it and regulate it. Exactly. And everybody's moving out. People just fleeing that state like it's on fire. But it's coming here. They're coming here. They're going to Tennessee. They're going to Florida. They're going anywhere they could just be left the fuck alone.

I think New York's not much better.

Nah, well, hell, everybody's running out of there too. Not me. I'm there for life.

I'm not going nowhere. Yeah, it just sucks when the government gets goofy and you're like, what are you talking about? Now that Kathy Hochul lady is saying— She's begging people to come back. Get those people to come back to New York.

Remember before, all of you go move to Florida.

Yeah, that's what she said, which is a crazy thing to say. That's a crazy thing to say. It's so delusional. But that lady's nuts anyway. Yeah. She said the vaccines were a gift from God. She talks crazy. It's like people are so tired of Cuomo, they're like, who else? Okay, fine, you run it. You know what I mean? It's like, how did that lady become like the— your best choice? That seems nuts.

That makes me concerned that Stephen Courbet is doing the next fucking Lord of the Rings. Who's like— he's writing the movie or something, him and his son. Really? I know he's a fucking little bit of a—

wait a minute, Colbert?

Yeah, Colbert Report. Peter Jackson was making an announcement. I know all the nerd news. Peter Jackson was making an announcement about a new Lord of the Rings movie he's coming out with, and I'm partnering up with— well, let me, let me show you. And all of a sudden they go to Stephen Courbet reading a Lord of the Rings book. Oh hey, you know, they planned it. And he's like, yeah, I took it from this part of the thing.

Is he gonna have any dancing syringes in there?

Poor Tolkien, they shit all over his thing. That Rings of Power is just Fucking mess. Piece of shit.

What is that? Orcs. Rings of Power.

Orcs. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They were like, yeah, they had feelings, and they were like, they were like kids.

They were like little kids. It was weird. What?

Yeah, it was weird. What is this? Rings of Power, the Amazon series of The Lord of the Rings, is the biggest pile of shit next to the Acolyte. It's everybody's shit on our fucking childhood or on— they shit on the major franchises that had some really good lore, like everything from Star Trek. What the fuck?

They did everything Disney touched, they fucked up. Marvel, everything.

How do you fuck up orcs? No, they made them terrifying.

Yeah, no, they were terrifying.

How do you fuck up the Hulk?

Explain it. They make him smart and they made him a pussy. Thanos kicked his ass and he never got his balls back.

If Thanos kicked his ass, right? Yeah, that's an orc. Bro.

Yeah, now watch him.

Dude with the helmet, get on, click on that dude with the helmet.

They have feelings. Jesus Christ.

Oh yeah, they're making discriminated against.

Oh no, it's fucking brutal. That guy's got feelings for real? Yeah, he had feelings. And yeah, they're not supposed to have feelings.

There's no more supposed to be like demons.

Nope. Nah, now they're just— that one in the lower right-hand corner with the fucking helmet on, look at that.

Oh fuck, yeah, you don't know his backstory. He might be a good guy.

They were like, no father, no father.

I don't want him to be a good guy. Me neither. I want orcs old school, like from the movies.

That's why that Knight of the Seven Kingdoms was refreshing, because it had no bullshit in it. Hey, look, there you go. Wow.

Well, give the guy a chance. Who knows, maybe it's awesome. They say he had a cameo in Desolation of Smaug. Oh, no shit.

They did an animated series, The War of Rohan, which was a piece of shit. They made a girl boss in there. They had all the cool dudes get killed and the girl's killing everybody and she knows everything. And she— and they took it from like one— like she was in like one paragraph and fucking in the thing and they just gave her this big backstory of being a badass.

It's like the Fantastic Four with the female Silver Surfer. She appeared in maybe one or two comics. This bitch is not a main character in no shape, no how, but boom, there she is.

Is the real Silver Surfer in it? 2?

No, no, they've got— they seem silly. Exactly.

Why did— so there was a female Silver Surfer for a while?

No, like, like very sporadically. Oh, but maybe appeared in one or two. It was actually his— now you're getting on my nerd side. Yep. It was his wife before he was the Silver Surfer, like Shalla-Bal. His— it was his chick.

And, uh, the Russo Brothers, they are— they are— they, they've been hitting it out of the park with every Marvel movie they did. Yeah, so they're doing Doomsday, which is gonna be coming, which is basically gonna be— they're putting out Endgame again in theater, in the theaters, and it's gonna be like directly— like it's gonna take place directly.

Awesome. Good, good. Well, I heard Thor's coming. They did. I'm fucking ready for that. They did Winter Soldier, like the highest level of Thor. Oh, that's fucking cool.

Let's keep going. Oh my God, you're such a nerd.

Thor is such a crazy thing for a grown-ass man. Big-ass fucking grown-ass man. Highest level of Thor.

That stuff's my WWE. I love it because I grew up on the comics. They ruined those fucking movies, man. It's fucking— Thor, um, yeah, Ragnarok was fun, dude. Love and Thunder, horrible. Oh, he's my friend the Rock Monster, and here's his life mate Bob the Rock.

What the fuck? Why though?

What does that have to do with anything?

Anyway, you got to give credit to the DC movies then, because they never ruined Batman, right? The most recent Batmans at least, the Christian Bale Batman, and then the new one, Robert Pattinson.

That was still pretty dark and like—

Dark, just right. Like, yeah, there was like, there's no bullshit in them.

There's no— it wasn't—

they didn't— they fucked murdered that Thor. They killed him. And Gorr, like, Christian Bale played Gorr in that movie. In the comics, that is the fucking best Thor story. Gorr's a— like, first off, he didn't look nothing like he did on TV, on the movie. But he's killing every— killing all the other gods. Like, I mean, Thor, his fucking dad, had to get a whole crew to come and fight this guy. And none of that really was showed in the movie at all. It was horrible.

Love and Thunder.

I didn't know you were such a Nerd.

Oh, for comics.

Yeah, I didn't know.

Why didn't they do it like the fucking— oh wow, look at him there.

See if you can look in the comics, like the comic version of Gore, because it's not even close. So this is already out, turned into—

that was shit.

Damn, look out, look at his— click on that with your cursors on. What the fuck, man? Yeah, they wrecked—

he was a perfect guy to play it, but they just ruined the character.

You can't blame Christian Bale.

Yeah, they should have done it just by the comic books. You shouldn't be able to rewrite history like like that and fuck it up.

See if it is— it's, uh, Gorr the God Butcher. Yeah, that's ruining King Thor, just in case you were wondering.

Jesus Christ, how many Thor's are there? How many Thor's? The same guy, it's just levels. Oh, explain that. Uh-oh. Whoa, that's from the movie. Damn, he looks good in the movie. That's pretty dope. It's probably also just a rendering because I don't know that they've shown stuff like this. When does the movie come out? Later this year.

Doomsday comes out this year. And so does Dune Messiah. It's a good year to be a nerd.

Yeah, well, the nerd movies sell the best if you think about it. Comic book movies are like 100% guaranteed. Harry Potter. Yeah, so the Harry Potter show that they're doing on HBO, I've read— find out if this is true, put this into Perplexity, our wonderful AI sponsor— if they made— it cost them $100 million each episode. What? The new one that's coming out? This new one, apparently it's so highly produced It's like they've risked a billion dollars. Oh my God. It's supposed to be insane. Harry Potter? But it's Harry Potter, and I feel like you can't miss with Harry Potter, except with trans people.

There's a lot of controversy with the casting because they did a race swap with Snape. Snape? He's like a guy that's $100 million. That's gonna be a rough one, man, because his backstory is not Good.

It hasn't been confirmed yet. Several recent reports claim the budget is around $100 million per episode. Jesus. 7 planned seasons, 8 episodes per season, 56 episodes total. That per-episode figure implies an estimated total production cost of about $5.6 billion. It looks like it's done well.

I saw the—

like, how are you— you have to— if you're gonna do a Harry Potter, you're gonna do it to the maximum. There's already—

I gotta get into Harry Potter because there's not a lot of Black characters characters in it, but there is one.

There's one now. They did the race.

But before that, before that, the one character, guess what his name is?

I'm not guessing anything. Dean Thomas.

Shut the fuck up. I swear to God. I swear to God. I want my royalties for this.

I want my royalties.

You had another guy. It is about the real way, but the— yeah, there it is. There it is. Dean Thomas, my favorite side Yep, not many Blacks out of here. The one is Dean Thomas. So why is it controversial? Because they race swapped? Because his backstory was—

I think he was in love with, uh, Harry's mom, and then they fucking— I think they all beat him up and stuff. It's just not a good look if it's— you know what I mean?

Because he plays Black Snape. So you're implying that they beat him him up because he's black?

Well, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying it's not—

it's like that.

I'm saying to make him like a, like a character that's— I don't know. It could be— it could be interesting.

It's gonna— if they just follow the books, it's gonna be amazing.

I, I, I, you know, I, I missed the— I was a little bit older than— my kids love the Harry Potter, you know. People got— adults read the books and shit.

I think it's the most successful books of of all time. Is it? Yeah, I think so. I think it's like right up there with the Bible.

Damn, I feel bad for that lady.

Find that out, put that in the—

she got, she got crucified for just—

compare the sales of Harry Potter.

She stuck their guns though.

She got crucified for being logical, right, reasonable, and telling the truth and trying to protect women. And all these fucking people, these actors are still saying she said problematic things. I want to hold them down, say, tell me what she said that's problematic.

Yeah, that was a bit unfair to her.

There was an article written about this one actor that did it where it said he is more concerned with being on the right side of Hollywood than the right side of history. And that's accurate. Yeah, because these people all don't want to offend these dorks in Hollywood that are out of their fucking minds. Enormously commercially— commercially, what does that mean? Enormously commercially successful, but the Bible has sold far more copies overall. Harry Potter series has sold over 500 million copies. Estimated for the Bible's around 5 to 6 billion copies. How many copies of the Quran have been printed before? I mean, there's also multiple versions of the Bible, and there's 7 books of Harry Potter. So yeah, there's not 7, you know, right, right, right, right. You could break it down. So there's 45 books in the Bible, and those are all sold. Yeah, but most people buy it as the Bible. I know, but there's also the King James Bible, there's the Bible, and there's the Old Testament. And yeah, so despite fewer copies, Harry Potter book sales are estimated to have generated about $7.7 billion in revenue. Not a Harry Potter in every hotel room.

Damn, that's true. That's a good point. That's a good point. Yeah, they keep that Bible in that hotel room just in case, right? That's a weird thing, right?

Yeah. Why do they do that?

I think someone donated it. Like, there was a, there was a Bill Hicks joke he did about it back in the day. I forget, there was a name on the Bible, like it was a duh-duh-duh Bible. Like someone, like one family donated Bibles to like every hotel room. Gideon Bible? I think that's it.

Is that it? Might be. I mean, I might be one of the Gideon family.

I think that was the joke. That was part of the joke. Who the fuck are the Gideons?

I was, I was so depressed when I got here. I, I brought my Meta Quest and I realized I brought two right controllers. I'm like, no, I had my headset on. No, no, I'm playing a— I'm playing the game now, a new game. What's the game, Jamie? Get ready for this. Forefront, 16 on 16. There's tanks, there's fucking choppers. F-O-R-E Front. It is— forget about Pop One, forget about Contractors. I know I hyped them up on here before. This fucking game is just pure adrenaline. Okay, that's— I just want to say that. I just wanted to get that out. Joe, I'm telling you, you used to like the Quake shit. Yeah, I want to see what it looks like.

Show me what it is.

Forefront is so good. Here it is.

This is 16 on 16.

Yeah, that's— but where's the gameplay? This is— you have to— you, you have to— I love the sniping. Oh, you, you give me my Behemoth and I am fucking taking people out.

You just bring that dude back to life. Yeah.

Oh yeah, you got him with that. Yeah, but, uh, it is so— look at the tanks. But you're seeing this through your VR. It is so much fun. Me and my brother-in-law Edwin, we go on this shit and we take souls. You can get on a bike, you could do a four— the four-wheeler. They have anti-aircraft, they have carriers, ACPs, they have tanks.

How do you have a life outside of this? Well, that's the problem.

I don't.

That's the problem with these things.

Listen, I have a house, a woman, you know. You know, they're watching Love on the Spectrum and I'm playing this.

The problem is these are too good, they're too fun. They could take your whole life away.

No, I got a 2-hour time limit on my— I play until my battery dies. That's good.

You know, 2 hours, that's all those things last?

Around that, hour and a half. Hey, after a day of making people more dangerous, do my podcast, you know, I deserve it. How many Talios in my—

I deserve it. No, you deserve it. I'm just scared. I'm scared. I watch it, I get scared.

You should. Hey, we could squad up. No, no, no, no, no. Come on, you would get addicted to this.

No, no, no. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a real problem, dude. It's a real problem.

Yeah, it was like I can't play these things. It was like a crackhead that couldn't get his lighter working today. Why? Because that's how I like to kill time here when I'm fucking.

I made a decision a long time ago to never bring, uh, like a gaming setup with me on the road. I'm like, I can't do it. Yeah, everywhere it goes, I'll be up to 4 o'clock in the morning. I'll be like any first-person shooter where you're running around a map and there's another dude on the map and you got to get a rocket launcher and fuck him up. It starts to feel real. It feels very real.

Me last night, then I had to go back.

What is this one? Old-fashioned. Oh, this is Doom. What does it look like? Oh my God, it's Doom. It's Doom in VR. Oh no, this is a problem. I gotta find this. But Doom is, uh, I actually think this is the, the quick one player of course. Yeah. Oh, it is Quake Quake 1. Yeah. Oh wow, you like the Quake stuff.

Love it.

But I'm a, I'm more of a Quake 3 Arena guy because Quake 3 Arena, like, show them some Quake 3 Arena. They got the graphics down and then they had it set up where everything was online, so you didn't have to like buy the new version of Quake and download it to your computer and run it and play it. And no, it's online, so you just log in and you're playing this streaming. It's fucking phenomenal.

It's like that now with the meta. You just get updates.

Show some highlights of gameplay so you can see what it looks like. It's supposed to be the VR version. Here it is. Oh, this is the VR version? Oh, Jesus Christ. Why are you showing me this? Don't show me this. Because I was going to tell you next that the Apple Vision Pro is being updated now so we can play with higher graphics. Don't do this to me, dude. Don't do this to me. This is my game. This is my game. I fucking love this shit. Imagine if you had a Starlink at your house. Shut the fuck up.

Oh, you just—

I'm not doing this.

Is it a battle royale? You just got to kill everybody.

Yeah, the problem is, man, I start doing it, and if I start fucking people up, I can't stop. It's fun, dude. And I got pretty good at it. Not like, you know, I could win tournaments good, but I got pretty good at it. Like, I fucked these guys up. The dudes in the studio, I fucked up. Oh dude, I'll get real addicted to it. And I'd start— yeah, that's a problem. Then I start playing online and just going into—

next thing you know Oh, yep, your life is—

this is one of my favorite maps. You bounce out to this one and everybody could see you, so they're all sniping you when you try to come back. When you get the god power, destroy everyone, right?

You're speaking my language.

Yeah, look at this, bro. You got a railgun, precision movement. Boom! Look at that, that's the rail. Look at the railgun, bro. You gotta have super accuracy. Boom! And while you got god power, you just have to hit them once. Boom! Boom, look at that. Oh shit, this guy's got timing. This, this is a dick. This is like you're watching— I'm watching people smoke crack and I'm going, give me that pipe, baby. Give me that pipe.

It's so funny.

But if that was VR, I would never have a life. I don't have a life. I can't do it.

It just helps balance me out.

You know what it's like, dude? It's like jiu-jitsu if you never got tired. Oh yeah, well, that's what—

that's why you have the battery life on it. That thing gets tired.

Imagine if you never got tired, you'd do it all day.

If you never got hurt, you never got tired, right? You'd just be training constantly, especially if you were fucking people up.

Oh my God, always winning and tapping people out.

Once you got to a certain level, I mean, this is to me straight crack.

Oh dude, that looks fun.

Come on, how fun is this game? You're swapping weapons instantaneously and you have certain weapons set to different keys. Like my railgun is always always this middle, the wheel button. I hit that shit, I get the railgun, and you can adjust your speed of your mouse depending on the weapon. Do you hear the other players?

Do they complain when you use a certain weapon?

I don't know if they use that with this. I never did. I don't— when you chat with Quake, you would have to pull the menu down and chat. If you have a bunch of people talking while you're playing, it's gonna ruin your game experience. Yeah, sometimes with this, I don't want anybody talking shit, I just want to kill you.

You're like, good job. Yeah, good job, Unk. They call me Unk. Good job, Unk. You had to use a shotgun, pussy. I try to be mature. I'm like, you're dead, you little fuck. You're dead. You should use a shotgun, cocksucker. Yeah, yeah, they complain when I kill them. They're like, what are you, 30? You're playing a game? I'm like, well, I'm actually 51. Thank you, kid. I'll take 30. What is that? Old guys?

I'm like, well, it's great. I remember I was in high school, I found out Madonna was 26. I was like, oh, she's old, dude.

I remember getting ready for a fight at 35. I was getting ready for Trigg, and I had Gian Valente there. Now he's older than this now. He's like, dude, how does it feel to be 35? I go, dude, fuck you. I'm still fighting. Fuck you. You know, I bring that up to him now. He's like 40 now. I go, hey, you caught up to me a little, you know.

Yeah, man, you know, it's weird. We're all dying. I know it is.

I mean, I think about it like we don't got much time left.

Slow to process. I'm 58. What are you, Johnny?

57. Damn.

Oh, you guys could have went to high school together. You're like a class above. I'm 51. Young man, I'm still only 49.

You're full of shit. I'm 49.

Keeping it together. Yeah. All right, I like it.

I thought you would be like a Brazilian. Rodrigo Gracie used to lie about his fucking age like a chick. Dude, you're my age. What does this say? Fucking 29 still. What are you talking about?

No one knows how old Yoel is. Oh yeah, I bet. He's probably older.

Yeah, I know. Might be older.

It does feel weird when you say 51. Like when I say 51, I'm like, oh, 50s. When you're younger, you never really picture you'll be there. Yeah, me too.

I'm almost 60.

I mean, when we were growing up though, 60 was broken down. Yeah, that's a big difference from—

shout out to Ways to Well.

Yeah, right. Life Med for me.

Yeah, well, you hang out—

do you hang out with younger guys? Because I hang out with all—

you're in the gym, you're with younger people.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm always with younger comics unless it's Ron White, right?

It's those worlds. And I bet you, I bet you when you hang out with Ron White, it doesn't feel like hanging out with an old man. No, it's like me and Longo.

That guy's awesome. He's a gem.

Longo's 67. He'll just say—

he'll throw away something, it'll just be so funny where I'll be dying laughing. And he's a naturally funny dude and just a sweetheart of a guy.

He was good in Tires also.

Oh, he's great.

I like that show.

Yeah, well, you know, he's homies with Shane. Shane's always there too. It's a night— it's— but that's again, like, young people that are doing the thing we all love to do, having fun, just, just like a jiu-jitsu gym, just like anything else, you know. I mean, this idea that you have to one day grow up, like, that's not true. I'm here to tell you it's not true. You should grow up in some ways, like be a good Dad, take care of your taxes, you know, that kind of stuff. What are you looking at me? After that, shut up, shut up, have fun.

Oh, that's, that's me in a fucking nutshell.

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with you playing those games, just don't tell those kids how old you are.

I know, dude, they call me an old man. This guy sounds 30. I'm like, you little fuck. Yeah, but it's fun though, bro.

Don't have a heart attack for real.

You have to take any shit breaks in the middle of your VR experiences?

I, I, I'm not I'm not above teabagging those little bastards when they get wise. I'm squatting down on them in my fucking thing. You teabag a guy after you kill him? They get mouthy, I will teabag somebody. I don't give a fuck. You don't outgrow that.

So you actually squat physically and it does it?

Maybe. My wife's like, what are you doing? I'm like, leave me alone. He deserves it, honey.

Crazy. Listen, it's crazy. It's different than a video control. You're actually squatting. That's crazy.

I can get my squats in.

Have you seen those, uh, multi-directional treadmills? Yeah, but I'm not doing those games on now.

Yeah, but I'm not running. My knees aren't good for that.

So there's a treadmill like a circle and it goes in any direction, omnidirectional I think they call it, and you're strapped in with a harness that you can like— you just move, they move like you're running. You would be in insane shape.

Yeah, there'd be some people in better shape. Oh, do you—

you would think how good that would be for your footwork? Work. Like, if you could have a VR— there's a good VR boxing game, and one of the things that I noticed when I was playing it was my feet were hurting because I was doing it on concrete, on cement, and I was wearing like Converse All-Stars, and you just push it off your feet all the time. I was like, oh my God, I'm getting a foot workout. This is crazy. Like, it was gassing me out because you really see the guy and he pops you, everything goes white, like you got stunned.

Like, oh shit, and then you got to get them back, right?

And you're moving You're moving around stuff. There's a bunch of them.

I gotta get into those. That's tiring. I did that before.

When you hold the gloves, like if you hold the hand things like this, it shows the gloves like this. So when you're punching, it looks like you're punching them wrong. So it fucks your head up. Yeah, you know what I mean? So when you're twisting to punch, it's showing this and it fucks your head up because it's giving a fucking Wing Chun punch, right? So like if you punch like this, it'll look like the knuckles are coming out, but doing this.

Oh yeah, figure how can't they get that? They should get that right.

It should be where your hands are positioned. Exactly right. If you hold it like that, it should be the gloves are like that, and then you turn it like that, right? So that way it doesn't fuck with your head while you're punching that thing, because it's weird. Clearly the developers— yes, but I think there's some real benefit in it, for real, because first of all, it's harder to hit air than it is to hit a thing, right? So you get a little workout doing that. That. The things don't weigh much, but you always put like a little, little wrist weight or something, or someone can make a controller that has lead in it, weight that has a couple of pounds for each one. You get good endurance doing it, and you're doing a lot of footwork drills. It's like you're Lomachenko, and he's definitely moving around. Good for you. And it's also showing you how to move away from things and counter. There's a bunch of different things that you could actually apply to— it's better than real shadowboxing.

Yeah, it's like, it's like, yeah, intense extreme shadowboxing.

Yes, yes, it's it's like you're really visualizing because there's an actual thing in front of you. I think there's benefit to it. I think it would help you. I mean, 100%, I think there'd be benefit. Yeah, and you're not getting hit, right?

So it's timing work, not getting the CTE, right? You're getting—

it's not— it's gonna replace sparring. You're always gonna need to spar, but it'll give you a lot of like neural pathways to different movements that you'll have like programmed in you in a fight with zero consequence. Right, that's great. Yeah, you can't do with jiu-jitsu, unfortunately, but you probably could with a robot one day, right? You get a good AI robot, you know, that's not gonna spaz out on you. I would never trust that, right? I got mad at you. Yeah, I'm gonna show you my real strength. Yeah, Dean, in this next roll, I'm not gonna go easy. Yeah, what, what do you mean?

I'm watching you. You know what, I'm gonna fuck your eyes out.

You got Makes your fucking heel hook.

Only because they look human, the Cyclones. I'm watching the Battlestar Galactica. I started watching it. It's great. It's really good. It's really fun. What is that on? I'm almost done with the first season.

It was on the Syfy Network years ago. It was an unappreciated series. It's one of the greatest sci-fi series of all time. The reboot of Battlestar Galactica. I'll check it out. I was super skeptical because Battlestar Galactica, when I was a kid, I loved it. Everybody, it was a big hit movie. It was super campy. And then all of a sudden Skywalker was a girl now. I was like, what? Starbucks. Starbucks was a girl now. Katie's amazing. She's great. That fucking series rules, dude.

It's a great— it's a great— it's great writing. I'm on the first season. I'm almost done with it now. I got like an episode left. Way better than the original series.

It's really— it's really fucking— it's phenomenal. It's really good. And the Cylons scare the fuck out of you, and they're hot, hot chicks. Yeah, it's always ruined your life. Oh, my favorite. It's good. Yeah, everybody's favorite. It's great. It's a great fucking series.

John James Elmos or whatever.

James Elmos. Yeah, he was great in that.

Is he alive? Did he die?

I don't know. James Elmos, is he alive? Is it— now there's no way. Edward James Elmos. That's right.

He was great in that. He's great. Yeah, Mexican prison movie.

Remember that?

Yeah. What was that? Uh, Blood In Blood Out. Blood In Blood Out.

He got in trouble with that. They wanted to kill him because they made it out like these dudes were fucking each other in jail. Oh, they're not? Yeah, even if they are, yeah, don't talk about it. Yeah, snitches get stitches. Yeah, man, I think people died because of that movie. No. Yeah, I think people were killed.

Heard something about that.

Yeah, makes you not want to go to jail.

Well, I just don't think they let these dudes know how they were going to portray them in jail, and I think, you know, yeah, they weren't happy about that. Severe disrespect. Respect. Is he alive, Edward James Olmos? Yes. Oh, good for him. He's phenomenal in that show. Phenomenal in that show. Yeah, it's a great show.

Yeah, yeah, I just got— I think I heard you talking about it and I put it in. I got on Amazon Prime, I bought the first season.

It's fucking good. There's another Amazon series, what's it called? Not The Eclipse, um, The Expanse. Yes, yes, I watched a bunch of those.

I gotta get back into that.

I watched a couple of them. I was like, I see this could be really good, but my wife wasn't into it, so we abandoned it.

It's good.

Keep hearing, I keep hearing, I hear once you get past like the first few episodes, it really picks up. Yeah, it's good.

It has Thomas Jane. What's Thomas Jane? Oh yeah, he played Punisher. Yeah, he's in that, at least the first season. It's good. The guy who's the lead guy reminds me of Jon Snow. He looks like a skinnier Jon Snow. Snow on Apple.

Jon Bernthal played the Punisher, right?

Yeah, there was a bunch of people played him.

How many people played the Punisher?

Well, I mean, that the guy from Run— Didn't Dolph Lundgren do it?

Yeah, that's back in the day.

Way back.

They had at least 4 or 5 of them.

They gave him fake stubble and it was obvious. It was like literally like the makeup lady didn't even try. She just smudged some fake— It's the worst looking face stubble you've ever seen. In your fucking life. See if you can find that Dolph Lundgren face double from The Punisher. It's like you're looking at that, go like, just leave him unshaven. Yeah, he was cool as him.

Here you go, here's the guy from Rome, Stevenson.

I know, but you can't see it in there, like a photo from the actual, the actual movie. It looked like, why does he have smudges all over his cheeks? Yeah, I like Barenthal the best.

The new Spider-Man movie, he's gonna be in it, The Punisher.

The Punisher is supposed to be gigantic though. He's supposed to be like that dude, uh, that plays Reaper. I thought— yeah, Adam Richman. Yeah, he's supposed to be like Adam Richman. Supposed to be— that's what the Punisher is supposed to be. Supposed to be a giant jack dude who kills everybody.

And good for Reacher for smacking that guy around.

That guy deserved it, right?

You know, he looks like he's riding with his kids. The guy got in his face, made him drop his bike, got in his face again. He deserved the smack.

He pushed him off his bike. Yeah, you know, hell, that guy's look like a retard. Well, he said he was drunk, so the guy smelled like booze. Oh, no shit. Smack him up. He was asking— they showed the cop's version of the video when they went to his house. He's like, could you run a toxicology on that guy? Because I think he's drunk. He smelled like liquor. The guy tried to knock him up. You see that guy? What are you doing?

Why are you pushing that?

He's real lucky he had that camera on. Yeah, you know what I mean?

Because that saved him 100%. Because if you only got to see him beating that guy up, that would have been a real fucking problem. Because that guy did not denied it, but he had a camera going on his chest pack. Yep, luckily. Yeah, you see that guy grabbing the bike and pushing him? Yeah, I put hands on him first in front of kids, man. There's so many people out there on a bike and you fall and the bike falls on your leg, like, you fucking idiot. Yeah, you know, that's dangerous. You break someone's fucking leg that way. Trump, fuck. 100% warranted.

When I went to go see that Project Hail Mary the other day, dude, this— these is. I got the second row, and sure enough, the first row, like 5 teenagers, dude, they don't even— they have their phone and it's bright and you see it, like they don't give a fuck. The lady— there's a couple next to me, older. The lady comes out, she takes her thing out. I'm like, what? I feel like saying, you should know better, lady. What the fuck? And the kids, I want I, I, a couple times I got up this and then they put it down. I'm like, I know I'm gonna say something, and if I get the wrong response, am I gonna smack a 15-year-old? Am I gonna smack— if I get a fuck you guy, what's gonna happen? Because I'm not totally normal. I mean, you know what I mean? I don't— I just don't want to, like, because there's right and there's wrong. A whole generation has not been checked. They're gonna get smacked because they're badly And I just see UFC fighter smacks 15-year-old. I didn't see that happening. But anyway, I got out of there without nothing.

But it's just so annoying. These kids are so addicted to their phones, they can't put them down for 5 seconds. Just how—

and how we do. Yeah, it's crazy.

In movie theater, they can't stop texting people. Yeah, it's because they're not enjoying anything. Everything they're doing, they're getting distracted. Yeah, yeah, which is crazy.

I feel like talking to their parents, that's like going to help, you know.

No, you got to smack them. Someone's got to smack them.

Yeah, man, I'll tell you, that happened.

Our generation, if you acted a fool, you got slapped.

Yeah, if you talk mouth in a movie theater, someone's going to get up, you know. If you were loud in a movie theater, people would get up and, hey, shut the fuck up. Like, I've seen that happen many times in movie theaters. People almost get in fights.

They don't do that no more.

That is— there's no repercussions, I think, whole— like, what did Mike Tyson say? A lot of— what'd he say? He said something like, a lot of people are getting used to talking shit without getting smacked, so you get punched in the face, or something like that. Yeah, and it's just true. Like, people just don't worry about anything, you know.

But there's also so many streamers that are doing these things online where they're provoking people on purpose that it's almost like normalizing fucking. I hate that.

Yeah, I like when they get smacked.

Yeah, they think it's like they're creating content by harassing these people, fucking with old people, like just walking up to people in the store door and yeah, doing shit to him. I don't, I don't understand it.

Well, Tiki elbowed that kid in the face.

Oh yeah, you know what, fuck that kid, he's starting shit with everybody. I was happy, dude.

I mean, that's— I mean, I looked at that, I'm like, that's warranted. I mean, you're in my face, tell me you're gonna fuck me up, I could do this.

He said he's gonna fuck him up and then he got close to him like he was gonna bump into him.

Yeah, but I mean, and you know what, they don't even give a shit because they get clicks. I don't think they give a shit.

But that's because, that's because like they're getting hit by like regular people, except for the Tiki case, but they're getting by regular people like I'm, I'm waiting for the opportunity to lay these for 5 on somebody's chin.

They'll press charges, they'll sue you. I know. Also, you, you know, if you knock somebody out and they fall and hit their head and die, that's a fucking problem. Yeah, that'll be a problem.

And that's a real possibility. Yeah, strangle them and lay them down.

That liver shot, right? But you know you're not gonna throw a body shot. Dummies got in a fight with the former UFC heavyweight champion, the current bare-knuckle boxing champion in the world. You dumbasses.

That was hilarious when I saw this.

Look, he's just teeing off on dudes. Imagine you get in Andrei Arlovski's face. How the fuck do you not know who he is?

First of all, again, my point exactly. How do you not know who Andrei Arlovski is?

And then they got their bodyguards next to them to try to—

shout out to that dude, wins bare-knuckle boxing. Oh, Arlovski's a stud. Yeah, I mean, he's still getting after it. And he still seems to enjoy it.

Like, almost 30 years in the game, and he's the guy that you kind of wrote off his chin a while ago, and then all of a sudden it's like, I never saw a chin make a comeback. Oh, incredible.

Freddie Roach said he thought he could really be a contender if he just had a, you know, proper chin. Like, he said his boxing skills were there.

Well, I mean, there was so many times where he got clipped. Like, the Fedor one was the wildest. He was winning that fight. He was, dude, he was good.

Yeah, he was caught in the middle of a jumping knee.

Yeah. Big mistake.

Laces out moment right there.

Fedor, that shit just found ways to win. He just found ways to win, man. Sure did.

Remember when, uh, Randleman— was it Randleman?

I still beat him on his neck. Yeah, then he Kimura'd him. Yeah, like, yeah, very easy to Kimura a gorilla, you know what I'm saying? And Randleman was so explosive. I know, it was so fast.

That guy was just nothing but fast muscle fiber. 100, right?

He had the worst staph I've ever seen in my life. Oh, he had holes in his armpit. Oh, he lifts his armpit up and you could see the skin was gone. You could see the tendons and all the ligaments underneath. Yeah, see if you can find it, Jamie. Yeah, it's the craziest thing because staph, if you don't get that shit treated right away and you let it get systemic, I mean, it probably led to his early demise. It probably was something that led to him dying early. Rest in peace. Look at that. That's his armpit. That's his armpit, dude. I mean, keep his fucking wallet in there. You know how crazy that is? You know how crazy that kind of hole is and what that does to your body? God damn. Because it's not— even when that heals up, like, it's going to take a long time before your body gets back to normal. Oh man, staff's scary, man.

Staff's real scary. Oh, come on, man. I want to say we're going to Italian.

I want to say Pete Spratt fought a fight when he—

didn't he fight one? He got bit by a brown recluse, like, his leg had had a fucking hole in it.

Well, those are scary, those fuckers. Damn, they necrotize you. They like— their venom burns a hole through your muscle tissue. Oh, it's horrible. You ever see brown recluse spider bites? No. It's like first it swells up and you get like a big zit on it, and then it eventually eats the tissue underneath the venom. Fucking spiders. Yeah, you got to get that treated right away, and even then it's like really dangerous. People die from it. Brown recluse are scary fucking spiders. See if you can find brown recluse spider injury. Nasty, dude. Yeah, yeah, creepy little fucking bugs out there.

I'm gonna get the eggplant rollatini later. We'll see what else we have.

I just want to show you one more gross thing and then we can move on. It's like— damn. Yeah, look at that shit, man.

Come on, man. Was that a water balloon?

Burns a whole pulling you.

This is like, yo, where do those things live at? I don't want to get bit by that.

Texas. Oh, they're all over the place. They're all over the place. It's— we're so lucky they're little. Oh, you got that shit out here, those things? But imagine that was as big as a bear. Yeah, you take over the planet.

We just imagine and pray, and man, it's as big as a bear, dude.

In Long Island, I guess we just got some assholes out there, but we don't got to worry about fucking— we don't gotta worry about no fucking Things getting flesh off and shit. It's a few serial killers.

Yeah, a few serial killers, guys wearing wife beaters. That's it. I was just watching this video where they said the most popular job for serial killer is those long-range truckers. Makes sense.

Yeah, I mean, you got— I mean, you're on the road, got a lot of access to a lot of different people.

Yeah, and also you think you keep it moving. Yeah, keep moving. Yeah, before they even know what happened, you're gone. Yeah, there's a bunch of them that are linked to potentially to long-range truckers that they never solved. Really? Yeah, they don't catch a lot of those guys. That's what's fucked up. You want to think like that life's like a movie where they catch— where they catch them all, but random killers are some of the hardest to catch because they just show up, kill somebody, leave, and there's no rhyme or reason to it. They just wanted to kill somebody, so there's no like motive. It's hard to tell. And if they've done it and not gotten caught for a few years, if they're clever— like a lot of these guys, like the Zodiac Killer, he was brilliant. He wrote things in code. They had— I don't even know if they ever cracked all of it. They know— they still don't know who the fuck it was. They did that movie.

Yeah, I saw that movie, right?

Yeah, yeah, they kind of made it like it was the janitor guy. I don't think they know.

I mean, unless there's some new data, unless there's some new information, I think it's an unsolved mystery, but he was obviously brilliant. So you got a really smart guy who's just randomly killing people, and he's also taunting you with letters, leaving letters behind.

It's got to be a little more difficult now with all the cameras and shit.

What has John Dunn ever been up to? Does he have an alibi? Was he in New York at that time?

The Dark Lord trying out new techniques. Yeah, all right boys, should we wrap this up? Man, good times. Oh, one more thing we should probably talk about. Uh, the White House card. Oh yeah, like you're going. Yeah, unless things get crazy between now and then, but the idea of them fighting outside in Washington, D.C. in the middle of the summer, nice humidity and heat, crazy. To me. You ask someone to dehydrate themselves, to cut weight, you know, I mean, think about Gaethje. Gaethje's gonna cut, he's got to cut to get to 55. Ilia probably doesn't have to cut too much, but you're fighting for the world title and you're fighting outside. That's the noon— the noontime has now been corrected, which is more sense.

We get good weather.

So the pay-per-view or the main card starts at 8:00 PM Eastern.

Hey, I was in the middle— I was in Abu Dhabi when they did that. That's a little better.

Yeah, but also It can rain. Yeah, it could easily rain. There's going to be bugs. Imagine getting lit up by mosquitoes while you're mounting a guy. You hear them and you—

will they put a tent up over the—

I don't know what they're going to do, dude.

Back in the day they have King of Cage and it was like raining out and shit.

It was called like Wet Wild or something. Yeah, it's a mess.

Those fights outside are a mess.

It's a mess. It's a terrible idea. I hate it.

There was a couple of days of rain in that cage. That was That was a crazy show.

If you're fighting in an elite world championship level, you should be fighting in a controlled environment, period. Right. It's already a problem enough to fight, to deal with the extra factors.

Yeah, all these variables that you might not get the best fighter, right?

And you— it also might severely impair someone who's had gone through a big weight cut. If it's really hot out, yeah, I don't know what it's gonna be like, but we looked it up. Wasn't it last year at that same Date, I think that was 2020, I guess, 4, but still, it's like— it was what? It was like 100 degrees.

Yeah, dude, I live it there.

I live in Baltimore. Yeah, it'll be hot and humid.

Everybody's dealing with the same thing though, so it's not like somebody's got something different, right?

But it's not fair because people deal with them differently. If you're having world championship fights where you're going to decide who's the best in the world, it should be in controlled environment.

Yeah, you know, the White House, baby. It's still the fuck— we were not legal in New York when I was fighting, and now we're at the fucking White House.

It's crazy. That is crazy. They're doing it. I support all crazy things.

So I'm going too. So yeah, yeah, I just— yeah, you have to. It's your job. I just— yeah, I just got— I just got the call for clearance. I'm going.

So yeah, I'll be watching on Paramount Plus. Us. Yeah, Jimmy wanted to go. He's like, can we go? I'm like, uh, I'm like, how many people leave the outside in the audience?

That's the question. I don't know, like, how many people are gonna— is it gonna be a round thing?

Well, apparently, I think on Saturday's broadcast, they're going to announce like how it's going to look. So like, that's part of the— I think part of the allure for watching Saturday shows. They're going to announce that's how it's supposed to look.

It's exciting though, you gotta say.

Fuck it, it's crazy. It's definitely crazy.

I mean, it's the only card that would do it.

Yeah. Oh, this card you're saying? This card? Saturday? Oh yeah, Saturday is a very good card. I'm telling you, the Merzakhanov and Paulo Costa one is the one I got my eye on. I'm like, that could be very interesting. Mm-hmm. Very interesting, because Paulo's a big fucking middleweight. It might do him good later in his career to go up to light heavyweight. I think So, no, he's only 5'10". Yeah, he's short. Yeah.

Oh, he's got weight to cut too. I mean, he's not exactly— he ain't no Paulo.

No, no, no, not even close. He definitely carries much more body fat on him. Who has he fought that's close? Has he fought anybody? Rokic. Stopped Rokic in the first round of his last fight. That's it. But he hasn't— it's been hard for him to get fights. They made Dana a little taller there.

Yeah, but they put light trucks in this.

Since this is the only thing he said would stop the fight. Yeah, well, that could be it. Yeah, that would suck. Imagine if someone died from getting hit by lightning. Yeah, they raised their hand up at the end of the fight and they get hit by lightning.

That'd be a bad look for the UFC, I think. I just don't—

Bruce Buffer gets it.

I like the idea on paper, but the fact that I'm going to be there—

sequin jacket attracted the lightning.

Christ, this is going to be crazy. Crazy. People are probably gonna protest it. It's gonna be nuts.

Yeah, it's gonna be a lot of protesters out there for sure.

All that attention.

Well, going to be the wrong place to come and protest because it's going to be a lot of pro-Trump people in that audience. It could be a mess. Well, that's what they like, you know.

A lot of people that are running this world like when there's fights.

Oh, that's chaos. That's a fact.

They like rioting and they'll connect it to Trump and they'll spin it and connected to whatever the fuck they want to. I just want to see some good fights. Cyril Gane and Pereira is a very good fight. Very interesting fight.

Just because of Gane poking everybody in their eyes, I'd be happy to see him lose. But he's— I mean, the size is real, and he's got legit skills. Legit skills.

That Tai Tuivasa fight, remember those combinations he was hitting Tai with?

Acting skills also. KO on Netflix.

Setting up the South Lawn will begin 1 month out compared to a few days out normal arena. Dana and Donald will have 200 tickets each to assign to who they want. 84 from each will be chosen for a VIP event inside the White House prior to the fights. Most the rest of the tickets will go to military personnel. The event will have custom fight kits for all fighters on the card. Wow. And then more to come Saturday with— more to come Saturday. So they'll probably be an announcement at the UFC UFC that we'll have to talk about.

Should be interesting. Nobody's giving Justin a chance here. Justin's a fucking animal. I mean, I love— and look how technical he fought when he had to fight Fazeev. Yeah, and he's a very technical fighter.

Yeah, if you go by the way he fought Paddy, he kind of just walked Paddy down. It just like was just, I'm gonna create chaos.

But you also got to kind of give Paddy a little break where he did get poked in the fucking eye. True. And I mean, more—

did he get more I mean, I think too, Gagey fought with staph. Did he? Pretty much everybody thought so. Yeah, I mean, that thing on his neck.

Yeah, he said it wasn't, and he's seen ingrown hair.

I mean, he can say, you know, he's not gonna tell everybody he's got staph before the fight. Could say it after the fight. He looked good though, you know, he's a fucking animal. And he, and the only reason I think that is he don't really get tired, and he seemed like he's mentally so tough he just pushed through the tired. But you could see he was fatigued at the end of that fight. Fight.

Well, he's a complicated riddle on the feet too. He's, he's a good stand-up fighter, man. I mean, when he knocked out Dustin with that head kick, he's— oh yeah, he's fucking good.

I'm a Gagey fan. Love to see him do it.

And in the early days, man, he was one of the wildest guys to watch ever. That Michael Johnson fight was mad, just madness.

Was it pretty crazy?

He just, just goes, let's jump off the cliff together. I mean, that's what he does in those fights, man. And he was one of the best early in his career at throwing leg kicks from really close.

So close.

Yeah, yeah, he got away from that. I wonder why he got away from that.

Could be injured shins, you know, could be knocked a lot of guys out with his hands, just wanted to do that more.

I mean, I thought that was one of his greatest weapons, is being so close to just—

wow, crazy, right? Like a weird flexibility of the hips to be able to do that and generate power from in close.

With what, the right hand or the kick? Kick. Yeah, the kick. He does it so close.

He'll do it in a collar tie and kick you. Nuts. And with power.

Yeah, definitely has a chance. I mean, you know, I mean, people will just kind of not even give him a shot.

I'm like, why not? That's how good Ilia is.

Yeah, no, I get it.

He gets hit a lot and they're just putting the equation together, you know.

Because like, Ilia, man, Ilia's He's got that one punch.

Yeah, it's from— look at the guys he's done it to, you know, Volkanovski, Charles, Max, in a row, in a row.

Ryan Hall, 3 KOs in a row against world champions. That's crazy. Guys who are not used to getting put— yeah, you know. Yeah, I like— but, you know, think about how durable Charles is. For him, just one shot like that, take him out, that's crazy.

That's Crazy for Max. I mean, Max did well in the first round. He did.

But until he got hit— until he got it— never been knocked out. He's a different dude. It's, you know, there's levels that this game achieves as people get better and better and better and watch everyone around them. And Ilia is like, this is the next highest level, right?

You know, now everybody's shooting for that. Boys, a lot of fun.

Good times. Again, I love when we do this. It's so funny. This is my favorite podcast.

I love coming out. Out here.

Such a good time. And also, I need to find out what's going on in the nerd world.

Yeah, if you want to find out what's going on in the nerd world, Matt Serra channel on YouTube. I talk all about that geek shit. That's it. Sometimes I play VR and I do movie reactions where it's like the Mystery Science Theater where I talk to this kid. Talk shit. Yeah, I talked during a movie a lot. Like, Dean, what do you got going on?

Uh, my movie Flowers, short film coming out, and I got a new show on Paramount called Deep Waters with Jorge Masvidal, Chris Weidman, and Dustin Poirier. That starts next Monday. I like the name.

Deep Waters coming out.

We're still doing Ground Control. Just opened a school in Sykesville. Dustin Poirier is actually coming out to there and the spot next door to Stratosphere on May 16th. Shogun still going. So groundcontrolusa.com, shogunfights.com, and @bmorel MMA. Look at you, bro.

Promoter, coach, gym owner, hustling, hustling, hustling. All right, thank you. Thank you guys. Fun. Always fun. Bye, guys.