Transcript of Fight Companion - September 6, 2025

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Hey. Gordon Ryan in the house. Brian Cowan, Brennan Schaub. Let's go, let's go. Fight companion. Jamie, send me the link so I could. Did you send it to me? All right, we'll tweet it out to let all the folks at home look at Paul Felder looking like a guy from the 40s.

Do you know what he majored in in college?

Dance.

That's right.

Theater.

Theater.

Yeah, I know. It is funny. It is so funny. It is funny.

He was at the Comedy Store one night, and I was like, can you.

Phone me at link, too?

Yeah, he was at the show and he was like. I was like, do you watch a lot of stuff? He goes, well, I majored in theater.

Bisping did not major in theater. And he's booking a ton of roles.

He did the commercial I wrote.

Yeah, but I'm talking real roles. Oh, yeah, yeah, your commercials for ufc. Guys, he's booking, like, movies.

Is he really?

Yeah, like legit movies, bro, that guy's crushing it.

You want to talk about a guy who has had to struggle? His neck was so bad, dude, he could barely get out of bed to do podcasts and do his commentary work. And then he's in bed most of the day after that.

And he has one eye.

His one eye. Yeah, he's had his neck fused, like, three different times.

I was on a plane with him when he was fucked. He was. You know, he was. He was in this right after his surgery with that, you know, brace, and he was miserable. I go, how you doing?

He goes, hey, you know, bro, he's. He's been miserable for years. Like, in intense pain for years.

But he's better now, right?

Yeah, he's. He's slightly better. We got him some. We hooked him up at Waste. He. He got some. He got two knee replacements. So he's got two fake knees. He's got. His neck is all up. Offer him a fight tomorrow's.

Like, I'll take it. Wow.

How about his last fight ever? They're like, hey, man, you down to fight Gaslam in China on eight day notice?

Yeah. Right after you got GSP and got dropped with a left hook.

He's been fighting since he was 14, man. 14. Like, you can see video of him here.

Oh, he's the face of European mma. He's at Mount Rushmore, if they had.

One over there, bro. He's a beast. He was a beast in his day and fought undersized, you know, for a lot of his career. Light heavyweight.

Yep.

Just the fact the guy won the world title with one eyeball. I mean, imagine you got a wife and a family and a future. You're in your 30s, you're like, well, I still have one eye, but here's my thing.

Helps.

So gay patch.

Such a gangster like that.

Like, you have, like, your retina detached and, like, you can go blind. And the one eye you do have.

And he got his retina detached in that eye, too. Yeah.

So it's like, what's crazy is you're doing a sport where you can definitely lose.

Yeah.

No, no. What's crazy though, too, is the commission was like, ah, he's good.

Well, you know what he did? He memorized the scale. The.

The eyeball thing.

We read like, read it.

That's a junkie for fighting. That's crazy.

How many guys are looking for a way out all the time, you know? And this guy. Yeah, fights 10, 11 fights in the UFC with one eyeball.

He's a legend.

Legend. Unbelievable.

Just face a mental tough. This is going to be an interesting fight. Benoit San Denis and Mauricio Ruffy.

Yeah.

Roofy is crazy at 155.

He's like a Brazilian, Connor, but he's huge. Huge.

It doesn't make any sense that he is 155. He's like 6:2. He's strong.

6:2.

He's huge.

He's undefeated in the UFC, bro.

He wheel kicked Bobby Green into another dimension. He's super talented.

Cardio is the only question hasn't fought competition.

Is he only 5 11? That's on Google. Go.

I don't believe that Google be.

I think he's. I think he's.

Come on, Jamie.

Come on, bro.

511, 156. And my fantasy is 62.

I believe he's taller than that. I've seen him standing next to, like, Trickus Dup and all these other guys. He's like. He's tall as.

Man, tough fight for your boy. BSD in his hometown. Yes, bsd. He takes some chances, man.

He does. But the. The thing is, like, striking in striking, Roofy has a giant advantage. And Roofy's not a slouch on the ground. And Benoit San Denis really good at judo.

Yo. Some of these guys would fight at 55. When you see them, like the fact that Michael Chaser was able to make 55 at one point in his career is so ridiculous. He walks around at six to 200 pounds.

They tore their kidneys apart, man. Just break your huge. Yeah, you're drying your organs out like an old sponge.

Yeah, you're Rodriguez at 45. That's ridiculous.

Would you say Khabib was the biggest 55 survivor?

No. Gleason. And I think that's the one guy that should have beat him. If you look at the record, you know, you look at, like, Khabib's got an undefeated record. There's an asterisk, and that asterisk is Gleason. Gleason. T Bow. That was a very close fight that I thought Khabib lost, but it was early in Khabib's career. You know, it was before he won the title.

But to your point, Khabib, 55 biggest at, like, the championship level, like.

Yeah.

Was never, like, world class.

No, he. Well, he was world class, but he was never.

Well, I'm talking, like, world. World class in the 55 division, like, top five. He was never, like, tip of the spear.

Well, if you think that he almost won or could have won, he definitely could have gotten that decision over Khabib. He's right up close. Yeah, but he's a.

He's, you know, early in Khabib's career.

To your point, there are.55 is way bigger than Khabib.

After a while, these guys, their body just can't do it anymore. No, it's like, you know, how many fights can you have where you can still fight at your potential? Look at the size of T. Bell.

That's. Yeah, I saw him.

He was well over £200.

Oh, yeah. I saw him at top team, and I couldn't believe how thick he was, bro.

He's so thick, it made no sense. He had a perfect physique.

The craziest thing to me is Pereira making 85.

Oh, that's the nutty hands down.

I met him, I was like a Jack235 once, and he was, like, way bigger than me. And I was like, how the does this guy make 185?

Okay, let me take that.

He's longer than me. Like, every. Every part of him is bigger than me. Like, how's this guy make 180?

The craziest one was Ronald Johnson. Yep, yep, yep.

Rumble was crazy. Rumble was the dude when I. I was doing. I was doing warrior with him. He was 235 and. And fighting at 170. Dude, he fought at 170. He was 2 when I say 235, like, I remember saying to Sam Sheridan, I go, I feel bad about myself. He goes, why? Because I'm looking at. I didn't grow. Like, how do you look at him? Like, I don't want to look like that. I just want to look like him. And he sucked down 70. It was the craziest ever.

Well, r. Look at the size of him in the lower right.

He got juicy. There's a while there he.

That's where I met him when he was fighting at 170. I was like, 12 years.

What did he die of? Did he get sepsis or liver?

Something with his liver?

God damn.

It Might have been liver. It might have been some kind of a liver cancer or something.

He was so talented, too. He came in our gym in, like, his prime, and the coach was like, are you right or left hand? He's like, whatever you want to do. He's like, well, left or right, man. He's like, literally, whatever you want to do.

And he was like, £230.

We're all, oh, okay. Organ failure due to complications from non Hodgkin's lymphoma, a rare immune disorder.

And he had it for a long time. He knew he had it.

That's horrible.

Remember when he said, I have to retire. I'm retiring for other things. Yeah.

Terrible. And then he died, like, shortly after.

Crazy happened to my friend. Just died. Had. We didn't know, but he had bone marrow cancer. We didn't know.

And then Logan went to that restaurant, didn't he?

Via Veneto. Yeah, my boyfriend, one of my favorite people. And he. He just. He stopped answering texts. And I was like, you know, what's going on? He. And he goes, no, I'm good, brother. I'm just. I'm just taking a break from every. Not you, but just, you know, I'm taking a break and relaxing. And I was like, this doesn't make sense. Turns out he was in la, and then I think he. He got septic and. Or something like that. His family keeps it close to the vest, but that was a good buddy of mine, but just crazy that I get a call and says, hey, he. He passed last night.

This is Brian in a nutshell. We do the show Monday. I'm like, hey, Ben. He's like, good man. Good man. Oh, yeah, my friend died.

Jesus Christ. I don't know how to. I don't know how to deal with it. I'm not good with emotion.

Yeah, it's hard when someone dies because it doesn't feel real.

It doesn't feel real.

Especially if you don't see them dead, right? It's like, what? You're not there anymore. I call you, you don't answer.

My buddy called me, and my buddy calls me and he goes, hey, man, just look like this. He goes, hey, man, we lost Fabrizio last night. I go, what?

Where is he?

What are you talking about? He goes, he passed. I go, what?

You had no clue?

I know. I had no idea he was such a good.

Best food ever.

They release, like, the zr1x specs or zr1 around, like, Nuremberg. I'm like, oh, man, let me send this to my dad. And I've always been dead for five years.

You took it to another level. I'm sorry.

My head just goes down. Ah, never mind.

Yeah, it's weird when people die.

It is.

It's very odd.

The CR1's badass, though.

You see that? They did the Nuremberg test, and it wasn't with Professor. It was with the engineer.

Nuremberg is. That's Nazi Germany. You mean Nurburgring?

I have no idea how to pronounce it. The one that begins with an end.

I drove that ZR1. Not the X, but the regular one. I drove it around. Coda. It's incredible. It's incredible. It's like 1100 horsepower. It sounds like just like the perfect vehicle. It sounds so good. It feels so good. It's got such handling. It's so good. Dude, it's so fast.

Does it have a traction issue?

No, no engine.

Giant ass wheels. Mid engine, giant ass tires. Did the widest tire you can buy on a production automobile.

But Joe. Joe would drive that. Then he calls me. I'm like, I need to figure out a way to get one.

I need to sell some me.

It's such a good car. They. They nailed it, man. It's like they. First of all, they nailed it with the mid engine with the Corvette, the C8. And then this is that times a thousand.

I remember one time. I don't know anything about cars. And Joe pops the hood of this new Porsche he had, and he kind of like. He went like this. The way you do a magic trick. He goes like that. And. And I. I was like, oh, man. I was like. And you said something about it being dual aspiration. I was like, Dual?

You don't even know what I said. Dual aspiration. You just made up a term. It has aspiration.

It was some dual thing. I was like, oh, man, it's got two lungs instead of one. My car only has one.

You're just making things up.

That's what I heard. I heard dual aspiration.

All right, so this is the first fight. Gomez is very good. He's from France. That's that dude right there.

Yep.

Very good striker. And then who is this gentleman?

Some white guy.

That guy looks like they plucked him. They plucked him right out of Kentucky.

Yeah. Or Poland. Or Kentucky.

I've never been to Paris. I've. I just lay over there once.

I have no desire to go.

Great city, Great city.

I've no desire.

How do you say that name? Rachala.

Anybody who's fighting in France usually isn't French. It's, like, by way of, like, Russia. You know what I mean? Armenia.

Yeah. France is very heavy in terms of its immigration. Yes, a lot of immigrants.

Yes. A lot of. Including Francis.

Francis. And Ghana. That's where he.

Oh, that's right.

But even.

Even with Imov, you know, that was the buildup to this fight. They're like, he's not really French, you know, he's originally Dagistan.

Yeah. Or Russian, maybe, right?

I think Dagistan.

Yeah. Yeah. Your fave. Yeah, my fav. Every time there's a dag standi knocking somebody out, he's like, are you jerking off, Callan? Huh? All of those daggy nuts, huh?

Jerking off their nuts, man.

Like, look at the way they control their top, control their flow, wrestling their transitions.

How about that guy sent you guys in the text message chain today? That young kid.

That ax kick. That ax kick.

The thing about that kid, though, is I don't think he's a grappler. I think it's just Muay Thai. That's why he's fighting in one.

It's always weird when you see a daggy and he's good at stand up and not wrestling. What the you been doing?

How about.

Yeah, well, that's at 145.

Six foot at 145 is kind of bananas.

Oh, share Bullets fighting Paulo Costa.

Oh, that's a good.

Here's another guy with one eye. Yeah, Sarah. Bullets out of his mind.

Yep. He's a big boy.

How the he pass commit? What's the commission doing?

You good?

He doesn't fight in America.

Yeah.

Where we have rules.

No.

Didn't he fight America yet? I don't believe so. Did he think you're right? I don't believe he's fought in America.

Like, you just stay out there. I thought it's gonna be tricky for Hamza to fight here, but once Trump isn't they say come on in.

But first round, if you want to sync up to us, it's 452, 451, 454, 49, 448. Here we go, first round. This is a very good card, though. Great card, especially the last two fights.

Oh, for the locals too. Like, there's a bunch of big names in France on here. Like, if you're watching local mma, all the top stars on this card, they stack this one right.

Yo, our boy Kentucky can move.

Is he from Kentucky?

He is now.

Gordon, you should. You should, Gordon, you should take a couple MMA fights.

Just turtle up and just Abu Dhabi. Yeah, yeah. They're all in a part of the world. Like my friend. Not a problem. Not a problem.

My friend, he did film a movie in Hollywood though, so they allowed him to do that.

Sure.

They allow him to come over here briefly.

And he was a pirate.

They probably put an ankle monitor on him.

100. He's not hard to find. That red, red bearded guy with one eye who's a, you know. Yeah.

His only hiccup was Michael Venom Page.

Well, that just shows you how good Michael Venom Page is. That. That's the puzzle.

I like MVP at 85.

Yeah.

I love my 85.

Yeah, man. Well, it's the Cannon fight.

I was like, ah, the size. This is where he might meet his match. We like, man, he him up.

He around too much.

Cannonier got him on his back and that's on mvp. Like, if you have a guy at that caliber hurt, finish him, dude. Don't wait around.

How about Cannonier at 42? He looks like he's made of metal. Is. Hand me that lighter, buddy.

It's interesting with. With MVP because he's like so hard to take down because he always has down block hands.

Yeah.

So all the punches come from the bottom and he also has a down block hand.

Yeah.

But then once he actually gets put on bottom, he wasn't. He couldn't get up.

Those guys with that point fighting style are so hard to touch because they're so used to playing that tag game. And their ability to close distance is nuts.

Yeah.

When you're at the blitz, his speed, accuracy too. I mean, he makes everybody look stupid. He make. He made Kevin Holland look stupid. Stupid.

I wonder what they do with their 85 though, because you start going towards those upper echelon guys, it gets dicey.

Well, it's going to be interesting to see, you know, it's gonna be interesting to say as long as he doesn't around like he did in the third round with Cannonier. I think people are gonna have a really hard time even touching him early on for sure.

He's just so fun to watch. Anyway, I would keep him as he's just so entertaining.

There's so many super fights.

100.

Did you see what he's saying to the kid in here? Calm down.

Chill.

Brought him in the face. Chill, dude, Chill. Like, what are you doing? This guy just punches you in the face and he's telling you to chill.

You swing it. Air. Because it's just like, oh, Think how.

Good Ian Machado Gary is.

I know people sleep on Ian.

He's such a beast.

Yeah. You can't. Well, it just showed you how good Shavkat is. Yeah, right. The only guy that's ever beat him by decision.

Yeah.

I mean, that was a good one.

Shavkat versus Sean Brady.

That's a good fight. I love that fight.

That's a real good fight. That's a real good fight. I'd like to know what injury Shavkat had that led him to not take the title shot Wild.

Yeah.

I mean, it must have been a serious. He had surgery. I know he had surgery, but apparently before the Machado fight, he was not going to take that fight. Like, he's that injured. But he took that fight, won that fight, and then had to get surgery.

He had a lot of hype, too. And then just kind of.

Yeah, people forget, man. There's so many good dudes, you know, It's Carlos. Protest is coming up. There's. So how about that? Jeff Neal.

Now he's fighting Leon Edwards.

Protest versus Edwards.

Pretty sure it's on mask. Is it Masquare Garden?

Jamie Practice is so much taller than.

I get you some with that.

Oh, my.

It's a tough fight for Leon.

That's a tough fight. That kid's an animal. Protest. Smoking cigarettes, drinking again.

Machado. Gary beat him.

Yep. Beat him. Sleep on Ian. He had Machado hurt, though. He dropped him, remember? Is it Madison Square Garden?

So Brady's fighting Shavkat. Yeah.

Wow. Like that fight a lot.

Baby gorilla Brady.

Brady was impressive when he fought Leon.

Oh, yeah.

Like.

Oh, yeah, he did.

He did a lot. He did most of the things right to keep him down.

Yeah. And he's got, like, extra layers of muscle on his back that make him look like a turtle.

Yeah. Who is this loss, too?

He got beat up. Bad fight, but he learned from it. How about practice? Just smoking cigs.

Yeah. It's crazy party.

It's like Joe Schilling I love it.

It's like whole Persona is basically like I want to prove you can be degenerate.

Yeah.

And still people up.

Well, he can.

Yeah, he's doing it.

He's that good. But also over a hundred fights.

Really?

Yeah. Really tired. Kickboxing, MMA. Over 100. Crazy talented and under 30.

Come on.

Right? How old is he? How old is Pratas? I think he's 20.

That's like those Russian amateur fighters.

32.

Yeah.

Oh, is he really?

Yeah, that's like Russian boxers, their amateur careers will be like 150 fights before they even turn pro, bro.

The craziest guys are the ties. Bulakal just fought recently. He's 43. I think he has 287 fights.

So insane. What?

But, but I think 287 times. Yeah, but that's boxing in general, kickboxing in general. Like even the states, that's typically how it is. Like those, those young dudes have so many amateur fights. But we're used to the Jake Paul's and this and people just jump to the top.

Right.

Where it's kind of watering it down.

Yeah, they, they're brought up with people that are at their level slowly. Especially with boxing.

Speaking of boxing, what do you think about like next week?

Yellow can't wait.

Oh, Canelo. See, I don't think it's gonna be that entertaining of a fight. What, what makes you say that?

Why?

I mean, I guess if Crawford takes some chances. But he's jumping up such a high weight class. I, I Canelo by decision.

Crawford looks thick.

You see the photos of him that he put on his Instagram?

He's got big legs.

I know he's jacked.

That's a good question.

You think it makes him fast?

Good question.

Pissed. But B, I'm not sure he's doing anything. But he might be.

Yeah. I'm not sure though his.

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I have a boner that could cut glass right now.

There's a photo on one of the websites that shows him at when he was fighting at 47 ripped, versus him fighting now at 68 ripped. And he definitely looks thicker. He looks quite a lot. Quite a bit thicker.

Technical. He's better than Canelo. I just don't see him being Canelo.

I don't know if he's better. Technically, Canelo's pretty number one the world. He's not even close.

Yeah, Crawford's.

So what he did to Errol Spence is unbelievable.

But then also remember Crawford hasn't fought in two years.

Is it that long? Yep.

He's greatness.

Madrimoff was two years ago. Well, the thing about Errol Spence, though, you got to remember Errol Spence crashed his Ferrari and flipped it and flew out and landed on his head like he got up in that car accident.

I know, but I don't think it had anything to do with. I think Crawford's just got a higher fighter.

I had to do something with it. A guy that gets that up.

Crawford's so good. Like he does that to everybody.

Crawford's so good. No doubt.

He was like he was ejected from his Ferrari.

Yeah.

Landed on his skull. It is crying like he was fine.

Look at that. Callan, you need to take a screenshot of that dude.

It's burned in my mind. It's burning my mind.

Bring it into the bathroom later.

I'll start crying. That's fantastic.

When you come, you're going to cry. I'm full of shame as you're coming.

Oh, no. And then I'll watch it. Then I'll look at it again.

Yourself in the mirror.

Think about in.

In boxing. So you got Canelo Crawford, you got Mike Tyson, Floyd Mayweather. That's happening. And then you have Jake Paul, Javante Davis. That's the state of boxing.

That's crazy.

Let that sink in.

Gervonte Davis is so crazy. 135 versus 200. That is so nuts.

They all. They're all expedition.

None of them are.

They're exhibitions.

But what does that mean?

Just means you don't really. Nobody wins.

They're not.

Right.

It's kind of. I mean, it's weird. I don't want Jake to assume they're not. It's not like a real scrap. It's not real.

Really? So they're not trying to knock each other out? No.

Mike Tyson and Floyd Mayweather don't like each other. They have not liked each other forever.

Tyson, Mayweather.

Yes. But they like Mike Tyson and Mayweather don't like each other. If there's a fight that might be real, like where Mike Tyson might say, I'm gonna knock this out or I'm gonna try to knock this motherfucker, it would be Floyd.

They wouldn't. Yeah.

Because if you look at like the Jake Paul fight, no disrespect, and if you look at the Roy Jones fight, no disrespect, they look like they're sparring.

Yeah, right.

It looked like there was agreements made.

Yeah. Working.

I. I do not know if Mike would honor any of those agreements. If there was a moment.

If that'd be for years.

Yeah. If there was a moment to really. Could he hit him? I mean, that little motherfucker can move. Still. At 50 years old, he's so slick. He's still in shape, he's still fit.

Both old.

As old as.

But this is the boxing.

How old is Mayweather?

67, dude.

Bernard Hopkins. Bernard Hopkins still at the best in the world at 50.

Yep.

I mean, that's incredible.

That doesn't mean.

Though with this. Because he was active fighting contenders.

Kentucky's got Gomez on the ground.

You're talking about two retired guys.

Yeah. Money grabs.

It's so weird.

Yeah, it is weird. It's money grabs. I don't like it, but it's fun. You know something? I'll tune.

I'll hate on it, but tune in.

Yeah, I'll tune in. It's. You know, it's. But it's not really fighting.

So Jake Paul's not going to actually be trying to knock out Gerardo Davis.

There's a reason says exhibitions.

If I had a guess. Yeah. The event itself would be a world class venue, be presented to a global audience with new in ring technology. Elements that will reshape how boxing is presented and scoring is achieved for years to come. What does that mean?

That has Abu Dhabi written all over.

What does that mean? This is Tyson versus Mayweather. What does that mean? Where are they doing that? Are they doing that in Saudi Arabia?

But of course. But of course. Because they have all the money, my friend. And they just go, what do you want to see? I'd always like to see Floyd Tyson.

Who wants to fight an alligator. So much money. They got that oil money, dog.

This I'm really curious about Crawford Canelo because they're, they're actually kind of the same size, same height.

They're not the same size.

Different.

They're not the same size.

They look, they look pretty much the same size.

But I know once it made a.

Career fight at much heavier weight, it would be like a 135 or jump up to 170.

Yeah, they're the same size frame wise. Yeah.

But one guy made a career fighting at 170.

But right now, right now they kind of are the same size.

Well, right now. But once a naturally gifted bigger guy and has competed at world class level at that heavy weight, you can't say they're the same.

You don't change your game when you go that much.

Yeah, you're not gonna be as fast.

Right. He had to put on a lot of weight.

Someone made a career like that, major adaptation.

The other one's just doing it for a money grab. He hasn't fought in two years.

Well, he was doing it for legacy and he is, he is like he prepared for this. It's not like he just went, had a fight at 147, then jumped up to 68 three months later.

Yeah, like he really big jump though, isn't it?

He did a lot of training, put weight on, like real weight. Yeah, we'll see. I'm, I'm interested in that.

Yeah.

Just because I think Crawford's that good.

I just don't think, I think that's the problem with boxing. They build these things up like you know, Jake and Tyson and people think to me, this great product or Crawford and Canelo and it's not, there's not much action, bro.

I'll tell you who's the real deal. Moses. Moses Itama. Do you know who that the giant 20 year old heavy. Oh, yes, yes. Did you see what he did to Dillian White?

Yes, he's a problem.

Problem? Yeah.

That guy's. Is he only 20, 20 years old? He's just slightly older than Tyson was when he won the title. So he can't be the guy to ever win the title. Damn, this is so fast. He moves like a middleweight.

I know.

Here's I, Tom, watch this guy.

That's that Samoan. Samoan or whatever it is, bro.

Look at the skill. It's the skill, the movement back.

No joke either. Dylan White's no joke. Look at this.

If you said his name right, it's Dillian. But it's all right, bro. He tuned this guy up one round, man. I mean, again, White is past his promise.

He's also gotten beat up. White's gotten.

Yeah, sure. Tyson Fury beat him up a lot of guys.

This is the test you want for this year. It's contender.

It's the way he did it. He did it like I'm a world champion.

Didn't Deontay Wilder start. Start him as well?

Oh, I don't know if they fought. I don't know if Deontay fought Dillian.

They're trying to do Deontay Wilder. Francis, they're talking to each other. Take my money.

Yeah, take that.

See that? That's not an exhibition. That, that the MMA boxing. Take my that. Take my money is not an exhibition.

Bubble.

Who do you think gets knocked down that one at this stage of the game?

I don't know.

You know what the problem with Wilder is? He did all that ayahuasca. He's too friendly. Whenever someone does too much ayahuasca, I'm like, oh, he's losing.

Or any ayahuasca if you want to be a fighter.

He did the interview at one time. Enemies, like, I just, I lost it. I lost the killer and think.

That happens to a lot of guys.

Really?

Yeah. They come back and they're just like too sweet.

My buddy just came back from doing a 10 day ayahuasca retreat. He's made billions of dollars. And he goes. I go, how was it? He goes, he was intense. And I go, oh, that's cool. And he goes, I just have a deeper appreciation for my friends. You say that it was great. He goes, I thought about you. I was like, oh boy, this is getting awkward.

I was rock hard.

Thing about did you say, hey, give me some money.

Yeah, I know. Pay my mortgage, alimony, cut me a check.

Did you tell Rogan that time he did ayahuasca.

Not. It was mushrooms. I don't want to get into that.

What'd you do?

No, it got real bad.

He literally did the God dose or whatever.

He didn't mean to.

Dude. I did three grams, and I was in mother Earth's vagina. And then I did four more grams because I was invited to take more medicine. And the sun sucked me into his mouth and spit me out into one of the upper rings. No, no.

Tell them what you're doing in real life. Don't tell them what the words are saying.

So I'm gonna just say this. I. I was. I. Apparently I was. Because I thought I was in hell. Apparently, for four hours. I was asking for a manage. Asking to speak to a manager. Hell, yeah. Because I needed to get out of there. Because I was like, I need to speak to. I don't believe I'm a good person. I just tripped into a portal. I. I need to get home.

But hell wrote him the real. He was curled in a ball naked by the.

I don't want to get.

Farting profusely.

My buddy goes, you were in a. You were in the fetal position, farting so loud. Screaming and screaming words we can't say. Screaming a lot of different words that you're not allowed to say.

I'll tell you. Okay.

Dude, when he told me, I was like, what the.

That's why they're illegal, dude.

I don't rem.

Anything.

I don't remember anything.

They try to get me to do it. I'm like, get the out of here.

You know?

Slightly less.

Yeah. Yeah. You know what I learned? Don't do mushrooms anymore when I did.

Well, just don't do 7 grams when you're troubled.

You made me eat a whole chocolate bar on this podcast.

You had to.

You see that? If you look at me in the video, I'm like, this.

It had to. Had to be done. Yeah, but that's like three. Three is a. Threes are reasonable. You get to around five, and things get very strange. Then you start meeting aliens.

Joe, now that you stop alcohol.

Yeah.

Are you smoking more weed?

Allegedly.

Usually how it goes.

Allegedly.

I thought you stopped smoking weed. I don't know why.

Maybe they gotta make that legal. I gotta talk to the big guy.

Yeah.

Donald, you want to make some friends?

Texas.

This is how you go. This is how it goes. You want to make some real friends? You won't. Like. They won't know what to do.

Dude, he's.

See what he's doing right now? In Chicago. This is one of the funniest things ever. They are now saying they're going to look into taking gun rights away from transgender people. So what happens now is liberals have to defend gun rights.

I love it. I know. It's genius.

This is like the ultimate trap. This is like the ultimate trap. It's like, do they fall in?

The guy sweating with the two buttons.

First of all, he says things that he doesn't mean. Like, it's wild when a president says, we're looking into taking away Rosie o' Donnell citizenship.

I saw a meme yesterday was like, imagine Rosie O' Donnell moves to Ireland to escape Trump. And then McGregor just becomes the leader.

Very well, Mike. He really might win.

I saw some video he posted, like, campaigning for. It's at like 50 million views.

Yeah.

Apparently he has like 60% in the poll.

Wait, who's this?

Conor McGregor being the president of Ireland?

Yeah, he just did, like, you know.

That my fuck is basically Arnold Schwarzenegger, but for. For us, for the ufc, you know.

Movie star, two time world champion.

Now, if he becomes president, that's an actor.

That's what I'm saying.

Well, there's a. There's a real movement, you know, in. In England and in Ireland because of this sort of like, unchecked immigration.

Well, dude, Elon's going off the. Off the chain, too. Yeah, Elon's making posts like, you guys gotta fight back.

Oh, yeah, man. Because people are getting arrested in England just for posting stuff on social media.

About it, bro, They're. They are arresting thousands of people in England.

Did they say 1400 a day?

Who was on my podcast? Yeah, he left my podcast, went back to England and they arrested.

Oh, wow.

I. I just had Tommy Robinson, you know, Tommy Robinson is. Yeah, so he got arrested for the same thing for. For a documentary, and I just had him on.

He got arrested for a document?

Yes, dude. He did 18 months. What? He just got out. He just did the.

What was the documentary about?

It was basically about his hometown, which he grew up to. It started out with one mosque and now there are 49 in his hometown of Lutton, I think it's called. And basically just talking about the grooming gangs and stuff.

So it is crazy what they're doing.

Immigration, the hiking band.

Yeah.

You can't go for climate change. I watched a video yesterday.

They find you $28,000 off a veteran.

Like, takes a video. Like, hey, I'm with the guys here. Not on camera, because we're not allowed to record them. But they said that if I walk into the woods here, I'm gonna get a $28,000 fine.

Are you?

So he takes a video of him, he walks three feet into the woods, walks out, and these as a video of him at the desk saying it's a 28,000. I was like a 25,000 dollar fine plus like $3,000 in like taxes and victim fees.

Canada's so full of 20. Canada, such a mess.

Well, they are what we can be if we're not careful. If you have the wrong people running the country, if all these tights, I mean if it got to a point where some of these people. If you took away the natural born citizenship thing, like if you could be a president and never born in America, we'd be fucked.

Super fucked.

We'd be fucked. Because we're already fucked. When they become mayors and when they become governed, if they, if that starts happening, you're just going to import people from all over the world and they're going to take whatever their country is and make that state it.

Let me ask you this. Is it true that when you have. So if you have a bunch of illegal immigrants in your town, your, your, your census numbers go up?

Yes.

So.

So congressional seats, right? So the way it works is the census only counts how many human beings? It doesn't count how many illegal. No, it doesn't care. It doesn't matter. So that's why they were moving people in with busses. So that's why they moved all these people to swing states. So you're basically rigging these areas. And then they were trying to offer a pathway to citizenship and allow those people to vote, which would have completely rigged all the swing states.

Wow.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, Elon talked about it pretty extensively and documented it. It's a real thing. And people push back about it. It's a dangerous conspiracy theory. But it's not because the census counts people. And the more people you have, the more congressional seats you get. If they just eliminated that, the Democrats would be cooked. I don't know if that's even legal though. I think constitutionally it's basically the way it's set up. It's supposed to be the amount of people. It's not supposed to be the amount of legal citizens, which it should be. Congressional seats, I mean, come on.

I think it should be citizens.

Especially when you're just opening up the border and you allowed 20 million people to come in over a period of four years.

That is a massive percentage of the population of the United States.

It's nuts.

Like 20. 20 million people. I was like, it's so huge percentage of the original population.

Tommy Robinson told me 43%. I don't know if this is true, but I think it's something like 43% of the immigrants that come into the UK and I think in Europe in general are on the dole, but especially in the uk, so they're on the dole. They're literally on welfare.

Yep.

And. And the main problem is that a lot of these people from certain countries don't assimilate.

No.

Because they are, you know, Islamic first, and then, you know, and essentially the whole idea is to get a caliphate. Create a caliphate in the uk which is insane.

Well, they're doing it. That's what's really insane is that they're doing it. But the thing is, like, who's allowing this to happen? And what's the end goal?

Do you see? The new lady was just the. Just got elected in the UK for, like. For, like, border patrol, and it's just, like, her. With Arabic or.

Yeah.

Farsi or whatever it is written behind her.

Oh, yeah. She wants Sharia law. Like, it's. It's completely bananas.

What?

Yeah.

This is the problem. It's like, you want to assimilate, great. Doesn't matter where you're from, what your religion. Who cares? But if you want to start overthrowing the very country that you're emigrating into, I mean.

Well, that's.

That's the problem is if you say something against it, then. Oh, your race.

Yeah. Constantine, I'm not raised in. I grew up in the Arab world. I'm the farthest thing from. I love. I grew up with the Arabs and. And Muslims, so don't. You can't call me that. But that's crazy. Yeah. Everybody. Every race. Here's the difference, though. Can I just say this?

Yeah.

The biggest thing that the left does is this. You. You say there's a problem, which is a legit problem. You say, you know, London's now minority country. There. There's. There are these young Muslim men, for example, who are not assimilating and are becoming militant and fundamentalist. Okay. You say something like that. That what then a leftist will say is they'll go. Instead of, like, debating that issue, which is a problem, you're just stating a problem. Okay. They will say, oh, you're. You're Islamophobic, you're xenophobic, and you're racist. So they. They. They diagnose you. They kind of. They. I'm stealing this from Nick. Fritas, by the way. So shout out to Nick Fritz. But that's what they'll do. They'll. They'll diagnose the person and their personality and their character. Not they'll step outside of the debate.

Yeah.

So you can't have a conversation with people like that.

No, you can't.

I'm not, I'm just.

But that's how it's scary though, is because there's no talking point. There's like, there's no common ground that you can discuss. You can't agree on anything.

Right.

So it's like if I'm over here and you're over here and we both can't meet somewhere in the middle.

Right.

Men can't get pregnant.

Exactly.

At some point you just have to fight.

Right. Because I'm gonna stop and call you a transphobe and turn my back, got a divorce.

Or you have to either fight.

Don't you think that this is on purpose? I think it's keeping each other out of each throat.

Yes.

It's to keep us in chaos so that they can implement more control.

And it's working.

Yeah. Well, is it? Or are we starting to get wise to the fact that we're all being game?

It's a battle. Yeah, it's a battle, but it's working.

Wise to it.

Well, it's where it's working on a lot of people. There's a lot of people that are just falling right in, they're falling right in line and you know, and if you tell them that they're homophobic or xenophobic or transphobic, they'll do whatever the fuck they can to avoid that label. And so then they fall right into your trap.

Although Trump did get elected and it seems like the, that that argument by the. By the left is starting to lose a lot of its.

Yeah, but it only. He only elected by half the country.

Right.

The other half the country didn't want them.

That's a lot of people.

It's a lot of people. So it worked on a lot of people. They were in the process of implementing a plan and that plan, if it worked, would have made this country a one party state.

But disliking Trump and disliking those policies are two different things. Right. So there are people that are conservative who don't like Trump, There are people that are moderate Democrats or who don't like Trump. My, my question is, you know this better. How much of this stuff online is real? Is real bots? How much?

Huge percentage.

Really?

Still is. Like the opposite of real life.

An FBI analyst said as money is, 80% of the people that are posting on Twitter are bots.

What?

Posting what, though? Just political.

All kinds of stuff. Every climate, politics, race, gender. There was that China just got busted using chat GPT to run a host of different accounts. A bunch of different accounts that were all posting about usa. USA being shut down. They were posting about LBGTQ plus ta. Whatever the issues.

To divide us more.

Just trying to divide us more.

So Brian Shaw told me that he posted a picture of him and Jordan Peterson. He always gets love, you know, he's a strong man. And he said that he was getting all this, like, immediately. Just all these comments that were like, how could you do this? And stuff like that. Then he go to the profile and be like, this is. This doesn't feel like it's real.

No, not a real person.

It's not a real person.

There's a giant percentage on Instagram, a giant percentage on Facebook and on Twitter that are not real. And it's legal. And you can do it. And I bet we do it too. I bet corporations do it. I bet human. You can crowdfund, by the way, on purpose. Like say if Brian Cowan, if you like. You hated Brendan Schaub. It shouldn't be the fighter in the kid. It should be the kid and the kid.

Just me.

Everybody agrees you could literally. You could literally go to a company and have them attack Brendan Chaub and you would pay for it and they would use their. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure. Well, it's been. It can be done on anyone. That's the point is like any. Whatever your goal is, say, let's get rid of all red lights. No more. No more traffic lights. You could do that. You could have whatever the fuck you want. Have a bunch of fake people protest.

What a waste of time.

You know, you can't do.

But it's not really. It's not really.

Well, I guess it does.

Dumb people.

Yeah.

Especially if I have a country doing it. Like, China can do it to us, but we can't do it to them.

Right. We can't get into their system.

Like, they just. They, they. They have whatever they want. The people know.

Oh, well, we're.

They run their own propaganda and they run it against us, which is.

That might be the least of our problems. We let them buy land around military bases.

They own a ton of land.

My friend had his company attacked that way.

I mean, the biggest issue with China is definitely AI.

Yeah.

That the AI is like the next.

Man but you, those two dudes you had on here with AI, they're saying we're actually still a step ahead of them.

Them.

I don't know if they know.

Did I?

Some.

Yeah, they said that at the time. But I don't know if they know because here's the thing. They steal all the data from Open AI. They steal data from, like, Grock just got infiltrated by this guy who stole their. Allegedly. And then sold it to open AI. And OpenAI got infiltrated allegedly by China. Like these. You've got all these Chinese nationals that are over here working.

They're in the labs and technicians.

They're Chinese nationals.

Because remember when we had Tulsa, this.

Was like the biggest problem America is facing for sure.

100. Because we had Tulsi Gabbard on the podcast, remember? I was like, yeah, Russian. What I say Russian hackers. I kept talking about Russian hackers. And she's like, hey, off the air, she's like, just so you know, we're better at hacking than they are. Oh, yeah, we have better hackers. So this whole thing keep talking about with Russians, I don't know. I kept saying Russians. She's like, america's actually has way better people to hack all that.

But it's an arms race. It's a. It's a. It's an AI race. Yeah.

The thing is, they're all together. It's the government with the corporations in China. They're all in lockstep. They're not like, in battle with their corporations.

Corporations. What the government says.

Exactly. They tried that over here with Facebook. Like when Facebook, when they. The FBI clamped down on them, told them to get rid of the Hunter Biden laptop story.

They did it.

Well, they didn't at Facebook, they kind of limited the reach. But Twitter, they completely blocked it. Yeah, but the other thing that they did was they told them to get rid of factual information about COVID Factual information. The government was contacting Zuckerberg. I think that is because they didn't want vaccine hesitancy because they wanted to make more money.

Got to get money.

Or was it. Did they believe that that vaccine was saving lives?

Money.

Money, for sure.

Money.

Really?

Look at you. You're so cute. They just want to save lives.

He's still one of those. No, Brian's still one of those guys.

There's not a goddamn thing the government does.

I really.

It's not a goddamn thing the government does for you, for you. Make your life better. Everything they do is to either get elected, raise more money, campaign like More, More money, like raising money for causes.

In the uk now they're like, they're like, we're gonna deal. We have a. We have a solution to deal with mass immigration. We're going to digital IDs. So it's like they created an issue.

Yeah.

And then they're. And then they're going to give you a solution to give them more control.

That's why my thing is how much money do they.

Yes, down.

But what you just said, what you just said about the government, whether it's true or not, that's a very important thing to keep in to believe.

I have Representative Luna on the podcast. You know what she said to me? We were talking about certain issues. She goes, they don't want to resolve those issues because they could fundraise against them.

Of course. How about.

So they literally don't. They don't reach resolutions.

But my question, Joe, is how much money do they need? Like, well, they always need new money every week. But my thing is like Pelosi, like, how much money is that big, heavy have. She has the biggest.

It's like almost like a half a billion. Half a billion.

And she just keeps going, 400 million. Yeah.

Well, that's her husband. I mean, he's a, he's, he's always been an investor, you know.

Yeah, but the way he's doing his insider trade.

Right. It doesn't mean it's not. It doesn't mean it's all on the up and up, obviously.

But I'm just saying, how much. How long does she need to go?

The answer to that is that government will continue to grow like a Leviathan. And it does. What does it do?

Well, that's what I want. You party circumstances here. They want. No. No common talking ground between the two parties. So we just keep fighting.

Well, that might be good. You want government to fight each other. Right. You want, you want this divide and conquer thing. So government moves at a glacial pace. That would be the idea.

Yeah, but. Right, but government is the issue.

Yeah. Remember when.

The American wing, remember that he started, it was like, not Democrat.

Yeah. Third party is never really. It's hard.

First of all, I don't think you're allowed to name it. I think we looked into that. You're not allowed to name your party the America Party Party, because that's fair. You can't call it America because then if you go against it, you're going against America.

That's fair.

Yeah.

The genius of the Patriot act was.

I understand what Elon's gonna Do. I don't know how that's going to work in effect, like, if he. If he starts another party.

Oh, there we go. It's back.

Here we go.

UFC's leaving ESPN. ESPN said, why don't you guys hit right there?

Has he got staff on his table?

Looks like a bruise.

He's got something, but doesn't.

Big toe to the titty.

Doesn't look like Steph. No, staff is usually raised. It just looks kind of red. It doesn't really look raised from here, but I can't tell.

The worst one ever was Kevin Lee. Remember Kevin Lee went to the office.

He had like, makeup on it.

Yeah.

Was that when he fought Tony? Was it that fight?

That could be anything. That doesn't look raised, though, dude.

How about Tony got a win the other night?

I heard that staff doesn't come from the mat. It comes from the person you're rolling with. Is this.

What's up, Jamie? Oh, that is staff.

That's staff.

That's 100 staff.

That's not.

See the little white head up top?

Surprising. Let him fight.

But if you're an antibiotics, I think it's 24, 36 hours. You're not contagious anymore.

It's just gonna drain your cardio.

Damn.

Yeah.

How effective is topical solutions on something like that? So you have to take systemic, like antibody.

I actually just have fed SAF like a month ago.

Of course you did. You've had it a thousand times.

And I was like. And I actually use fucking grok to help me cure it without antibiotics.

Really?

So I had it on my back and I put the topical clindamycin pad, and there's like liquid clindamycin that you can, like, just rub on there. And there's a pad. So I douse the pad in clindamycin and I taped the clindamycin pad to my back, and then I broke one of those heating pads.

Pads.

And I put. I taped the heating pad to my back. Because, staff, once you start getting above body temperature, it doesn't replicate. Yeah. Like it. Yeah, I think it dies like 140, 150 degrees somewhere around there.

So get in the sauna.

But yeah, the problem is that you have to. That's sustained over time. Like, you can't sit in 150 degree sauna for 24 hours.

Right, right, right.

So I kept the heating pad on there, and I would just change it like five, six times a day, change the pad, and it went away in like two weeks. Took a little bit longer, but I Didn't have to take any or how's your stomach? And I'm like, wow, I wish I could. I wish I knew. I knew this 10 years ago before I ruined my life.

How's your.

Terrible.

It is still. Yeah.

I haven't been able to do, like, a hard session since, like, early 2024.

Damn.

I just start dry heaving every time my heart rate goes up. So I'm just, like, a skinny fat guy now.

That's so nice, dude. Have you tried fasting? Have you ever tried that?

I've been forced fasted. Like, I just haven't been able to eat for two weeks and, like, you.

Haven'T eaten anything in two weeks or just a little bit?

Like, just nothing. I just wasn't able to eat, like.

Just could only drink water.

Yeah, I was like, before I fought Roberto Gymnas, I actually had to go to the hospital because I couldn't drink water or eat for two weeks, and I was in the hospital like, three days before.

You couldn't drink water?

No, just, like, too nauseous to get anything. Keep anything.

That is so nuts.

So I just, like, went to the hospital, got an IV, and then, like, flew to go compete.

All right, here we go. What do we got here? Sola and McKee.

You gotta get at least one of them a nickname now. I feel like we're.

Yeah. That guy who. So McKee is the guy with the tattoos?

Yep.

Solo's gonna be a big fan favorite because he's a champion in a lower league out there.

Oh, is he? Yeah. Yep.

They put a bunch of those cats on him.

So Paris didn't. Our friends didn't even have MMA till reason, really. Fairly recently. Right? Like, 10 years ago. Yeah, because when Francis was over there, he. There was no mma. Yeah, you couldn't fight.

And then finally they got pfl, did events in Africa, and he didn't show.

Up.

Because he said they didn't use any, like, regional guys.

That's why he wouldn't show up.

Yeah.

Really?

Yeah.

He was like, no, you didn't use any of my guys.

Guys, Wow.

I think there's a chance.

Oh.

Oh. Nice shot.

I think there's a chance Francis comes back to the UFC now.

I don't think there is.

Why you say that.

I don't think Dana wants that.

All right, well, you.

Dana had a bad experience with him. Didn't enjoy working with him. Oh, but.

But you don't think there's a chance some of the. Some of the other shot callers there go, dude, we can get him Back. Him versus John.

Him versus the White House. Yeah.

Do you think John on the White House card?

I think John does the White House.

I bet not.

Tater goes. They go, what's the chance he goes one in billion?

Did he really say that he's one in a billion?

I saw that.

John responded with a great answer.

He did have a great saying, there's a chance.

You're saying there's a chance because I'm a 1 billion guy.

That's exactly what I thought when I said.

When I saw it.

And I was like. I was like, oh, so this is a chance.

Good news is John's most recent case has been dropped.

Yeah.

Which is excellent.

Yep. He wasn't even there, apparently. I don't know. I only go with what good. What my phone says. All right.

Oh, I. I think I'm all.

I mean, I'm always with my phone.

Listen, I think there should be a place. I think there should be a place in this country that has no law. One city, just one city with no law. Just maybe it's Albuquerque, Just one place with no law. Just like. Or maybe like a little gray area in between the states.

What about The Purge? Just 24 hours, where there's just one.

Place where you could just get buck wild.

Well, you can go down to Tijuana, dude. You can just like go to Mexico. I mean, but Ed Calderon, I was listening to that podcast.

That's a crazy podcast.

That dude has seen it all. I. I can't imagine what he's actually seen.

37 assassinations in the last Mexican elections.

Yeah, but they all dab. But, but all. But all those politicians, they dabble with the cartel. So it's not like, oh, no, no, no, no, no.

They're not dabbling. They are all cartel members.

That's what I'm saying.

That's what you see happening in Germany.

Yeah. They're all involved.

Yeah.

Seven. Seven of the right wing cabinets had just been. Had just died.

Yeah. Then I looked into it. There's no foul play here. I'm like, but that's seven. That's a lot.

Yeah.

No foul play.

But my thing, when you had ADD on A, I'm never going to Mexico again, but B, never. But B too. I sent my wife that. She wants to take the kids to Mexico because she's from there. It's never happened.

Yeah.

And so I sent to that podcast. But when he was like, yeah, Trump's, you know, they have the drones, like, kind of following the cartel and all that to get information on me. Like he's gonna, they're gonna do something to send people in there. But when he was saying the cartels, like in the government and the police units, they're everywhere. It's like, okay, so you're gonna take out the henchmen, that does nothing. Well, so, so my, my summarization of that podcast was like, oh, well, Mexico is. There's nothing you can do. You're never gonna get rid of it. It's too ingrained in the community.

Look at Bukele.

Did he treat it like it was ingrained here? Like when you go to Afghanistan, like we're so far separated that it's not really like there's no saving it. Like the cartel can come up here and with us.

Correct.

Well, Calderon said the only way to deal with it is treat it like it's an insurgency. And, and you know, when they had that conservative guy in charge, they actually, they actually did a lot to cripple the cartel. But unless you treat it like an actual civil war where you got to treat it like this is a real insurgency.

So much money they can, they buy so many politicians, they buy so many people. It's so difficult to beat them at this point because we let it get so too far.

Yeah.

Mexico let it get so bad that when you have 37 people get assassinated in one election.

So hard.

But how's that not on? If CNN wants to break some news, how's that not on the tracker at all.

You have to hear it from me. Me, you have to hear it on the spot.

Did you hear, did you hear this? This influencer, this tick tock influencer killed her, her husband and her 7 year old and 13 year old wrapped him in plastic and put him in a, in a truck. Did you hear about this? No, this is a week ago.

Yeah, but see, that's what I'm saying.

Yeah.

And then the two guys, the husband was doing something.

Yeah. And the two guys that, that the cops brought in were witnesses to it. They got kidnapped.

Jesus.

Right out of the prosecutors.

But then I'd say like 91% of murders go unsolved.

Yeah.

Everything's just a cold case.

I don't know, dude. I think any, anything if you're the.

9% that gets busted, you can walk.

There, you can just walk there. You can walk right into chaos.

Yeah.

You can walk from here, you can get there in a day.

But if you're a tourist, a lot of times they'll leave you alone. Right?

Five hour drive.

Dude, when I, when I was living in California, at my Ford Lightning and there's a shop down there that makes carbon fiber parts for lightnings. I was like, I'll just go pick it up. I drove down there, there and the guy working the, the custom goes, what are you doing? What are you doing? What do you mean man? I'm here to pick up some car parts. He goes, listen, we knew you were coming because you posted you're coming down here. We knew you're coming. And we're good, and we're fans, we're good, we're good guys. But if we know you're coming, the bad guys know you're coming. He's like, don't come back here, man. I'm like, really? He's like, don't come back. He's like, you're in a loud orange Ford Lightning and you're posting, you're coming down here.

Yeah, yeah.

Don't do that. Worth it, was it?

Ah, no. I mean it's cool.

Yeah.

Those carbon fiber fenders are tough to find.

Who would run for mayor?

Look at that. From 2018 to mid 2024, 1, 7, 9 murders, attacks and threats were reported against politicians and officials. That is crazy.

Who's going to run for 37?

Some people just he disappear.

You think at 27 the guy be like this dude.

Well, Calderon said the people are getting so sick of it. I, I think ultimately there becomes this.

What are they going to do?

Be a revolt, the population, arms itself and do what? Get shot?

They're so organized though.

Yeah, they're, they're literally like military, military weaponry.

And they have night vision, they have armies. I mean that's what I'm saying.

What are you going to do?

I don't know, a revolt.

And do what?

Get murdered?

I think, I think you're going to see more of that. What that happened, that Venezuelan boat that just got taken out in the middle of the water.

I was seeing people saying that that wasn't a cartel thing and that what Donald Trump has committed is a war crime. He blew up people from Venezuela for no reason. You don't think they know that? This, this boat filled with taped up satchels.

Yeah. And Maduro, I can't believe that. The Justice Department said Maduro, we have a reward for his arrest.

$50 million, that's. They put $50 million on the president's head.

That's setting something up. They're setting something up.

Oh yeah, there must be some gold in them there hills.

Yeah, I got a feeling, I got a feeling we got some, some pretty, some badasses kind of already down there.

Well, probably. There's probably also something.

I mean, between Mexico and Canada. It's just a show.

Yeah, but Canada is like, so much safer.

Yes. Canada. You have your job, you have your reputation destroyed. In. In Mexico, they kill your whole family. It's kind of a different.

One of 20 people in Canada is assisted suicide. Yeah. One in 20.

What?

Yeah. I'll send. I'll send it to Jamie so he could post it. It is so crazy.

In other news. Did you see that? Roy Jones Jr.

Yes. Heartwarming.

So amazing. The. The guy.

They gave me his gold medal.

Yeah. Korean guy. Yeah. Who got beat. I love that.

It was heartwarming. It was really cool.

I got emotional over it.

Yeah. Because there it is. Is assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths. Okay. What?

That's how. That's how depressed they are.

Well, they're doing it for people that are depressed. They're doing it for people. Oh, you hurt your knee.

But I'm not allowed to hike anymore.

Okay.

They killed 15, 300 people last year.

What a shit show. What a.

It was legalized in 2016, but it showed around 15, 300. 300 people underwent assisted dying last year.

Median age is 77, though, after being.

Successful in their applications. Yeah, the median age is 77. I kind of get that.

Yeah.

So you can just do it for any reason.

Yep.

Yeah.

Small minority of other cases. Patients may not have been terminally ill but sought assisted death due to long and complicated illness that had significantly impact their quality of life. Well, it really makes you think, like, what percentage of people are just suffering where life just fucking blows? Probably quite a bit.

That. And.

And are they doing it in those tanks? They doing those?

Like, weird how they do it.

Yeah.

I don't know.

You seen those? They look pretty nice.

They do it in Oregon every time. You could get a suicide in Oregon every time.

How they put them down? Do we know?

I don't know.

Iv or is it gas or.

Because there's a place in Sweden. I watch a documentary on it. He kind of just jumped in this little like, alien ship looking thing and just came over.

Cook you.

He had his last meal with his wife. I was like, all right, see you.

On the other side.

And just.

Just be. You And I were talking on suicide one time and I was like, I can't understand how anybody would do it. And a guy who. I would come to my shows periodically and he'd give me, like. He made knives and stuff. And he. He emailed me and he Goes. Just so you know, I'll give you an idea of what it's like when you contemplate suicide. I was like, okay. And he goes, you ever. If you ever been in a hasana and you can't stand another second, you got to get out because it's just too hot. Lot think of being that with no doors all the time for your whole life. Yeah. And I was like, holy.

Did he do it or no, he.

Tried twice, I guess, and now he's better.

Well, think about the kind of pain that Bisping must have been in because of his neck, you know?

Yeah, but Bisping's a guy. I bet you he didn't even consider it. No, no, there's a difference.

No, he's probably trying to line up a fight.

Think about Gordon. Think of the he deals with.

If anyone still winning, you know what I'm saying?

Being seasick 24 7.

I can't understand how no one can figure out how to fix what's wrong.

Well, they. I mean, the issue is that they know what the issue are, but what the issues is. And they're just like, we're gonna try to reset your gut biome. I'm like, sweet. What's like, the, like, agreed upon baseline homeostasis for, like, what your gut biome is supposed to be? They're like, we don't know. There is. It's different for every person.

So let's just eat nothing but kimchi for a year and see what's up.

I could do that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Or I could just kill myself.

Don't do that. God.

Biome.

Yeah. That's like a fif ganoon. And he's got that clinic because everybody.

Always wondered, like, what happens if you take antibiotics too much.

There you go.

Well, now we know. Yeah.

Remember my psoriasis? You remember seeing how covered I was? And then Andy Galpin and Dan Garner gave.

Why are you laughing? You said, you piece of shit.

But I changed this. I just started laughing at his face.

It's like, when. Who was it? Bobby La was like, I was brutally molested. And, yeah, I just started crying.

Died by a Down syndrome guy.

Bobby goes, all right, I'm gonna say this again. If you. If you guys laugh and change it every time. And he goes officiously. When I was.

You can't just avoid him.

I was brutally molested. I'm like, you don't say brutally, dude.

The thing about Bobby is, like, Bobby might have been making that story.

He was. Cuz he was every time funny.

I was laughing because every Time he got worse and worse and worse.

He was one of the funniest people ever.

He's funny as.

He's one of the funniest people ever.

Very funny.

I miss him.

So, Santino, man, will Bobby not talk to you anymore?

No, we. We texted. We're good.

Interesting.

But I miss.

He text like, three years ago.

No text, no.

But I didn't text, like, on a regular basis.

No, I said, we. We made up, though. Yeah. He had said he told somebody to say hi to me, and then I said, hey, you know, I heard. And I said. Said. He goes, how are you? I go, I'm good and eternally sorry. And he goes, we're good. And.

Well, that's cool.

See at the Mothership.

That's a good fight. Lopez Diego Lopez. That's next weekend.

Does Bobby come to the Mothership much?

He's been there, yeah. I mean, he comes when he's in town. I tried to get him to move here.

I'm never moving to Austin.

But when he was here, he met some nice ladies.

Tim Dillon's take on Austin's hilarious.

It's funny.

It's so funny. He's like, there's like two good restaurants I've been to multiple times.

There's no live music scenes. It's six buskers on heroin.

He's here all the time. He was here last week. He's going to be here again this week.

He owns two houses here.

Yeah, he's just nuts.

Yeah, he's very funny.

He's just being silly.

So funny.

And then they write articles on it.

What's really funny is that. That it became like a whole thing. Like the. The movements leaving Austin. This shine has worn off.

It quoted me, Shane Gillis, and. And Tim Dillon saying how much we hated Austin. I just said, I miss the baseball dads in la. That's all I said, man.

That's hilarious.

I love it here.

Yeah, I. I used to miss the Comedy Store until I opened the Mothership. That was all I missed. I love everything else about Austin. I have no problems here.

I'd like them to clean up some of that homeless, though, though, compared to la, that's pretty bad.

On six, where, first of all, what are you doing on six other than go to the club and get out of the club?

I do. Yeah. I got the dead rabbit sometimes.

That's the problem, right that shelters right there, which is so nuts. You get some people that are homeless trying to get clean. And where do you put their shelter? A block away from the biggest party.

Street in all of Texas. I know.

It's so dumb.

I'll be honest. I haven't seen. Because I'm not. I haven't been down to six at all. I haven't seen a single homeless person.

Well, they're very. Essentially located. Yeah. It's all 6th Street. And I'm in like.

I'm like a weird bubble where it's like Pleasantville. It's just. There's no danger, and I don't like it.

Look at this. Look at this, look at this. This is a matter of time.

Herb Dean. Seen enough?

Yeah. That guy. That guy was just. He was just.

Did you see?

I don't.

I feel like this can't even be right. Real.

But it. It.

It might be. Did you see they just opened a $65 million transgender homeless shelter in New York?

Well, how does that mean? How many fantastic people are transgender?

I saw. I saw it. We could. We could factor.

There's three people in there, but. Well, Mom, Donnie is saying that he wants to set it up where people can go there and get snipped for free.

He's going to win, huh?

Hopefully.

Yeah. To watch. To watch New York try to experiment with a socialist again.

I heard an interesting. I heard an interesting take yesterday where apparently a lot of the. Rather than a lot of the super rich people in New York so actually want them to win. So they're like, yeah, go ahead. We're not gonna be affected.

Yeah.

You guys see how it goes.

City opens first. Taxpayer funded transgender homeless cells. Progressive political theater. That is adorable. 150 beds for trans and gender non conforming individuals. Nowhere to sleep.

Also expensive.

Wow, that is really wild nations first, what is gender non conforming? Do you get to choose if you're gender non conforming? What if I just decide I'm gender non conforming? I think all I have to do is just say it.

Yeah, you.

Can I just say I'm gender non conforming, though? Okay.

Well, that's what's new about that transgender movement. It's rooted in what a feeling. It's not rooted. So you can be a minority and a minority on the same level or even bigger than a black man. Ask Dave Chappelle, because you feel like one.

You know, it's weird, though. Have your daughters are older. Have your kids actually. Like when that transgender shooter, the just the. Was that last week, the mass shooter.

Seven of them in a row.

Yeah, I'm saying this last one was all over the news. We had the news on when my kids asked me about it. Have you because kids kind of have a better understanding.

Meaning.

Meaning it's very black and white where they're like, wait, dad, he's a. Or she's a girl. I go, no, that's a guy.

Right?

He's like, but she thought she was a girl. I'm like, she felt like it, but she's a man. He's like, oh, that makes it. There's no. The lines aren't.

The thing is, in the manifesto, this guy said that he regrets going trans and he doesn't want to chop his hair off. Even though he hates his hair, he doesn't want to chop it off because he'd be, like, giving in to all the people that said he wasn't really a woman in the first place, but he regrets ever doing it in the first place.

Here's my take on it. It's not about transgender people being more violent has nothing to do with that. There are people that are completely out of their minds. And one of the manifestations of that is to decide that you're a different gender.

Gender dysphoria.

So what happens is. But now when you stigmatize that, when you say you're not even allowed to talk to somebody about. Maybe they might be a little confused because that's considered conversion therapy, what happens is you're now lumping those two things in, whereas.

Wait, what do you mean?

So, in other words, you.

This kid was not allowed to talk to someone about being confused about their gender?

No.

So you don't have to tell your parents.

No. So. So there are. There are there. There was. In California, there was legislation presented and a number of states which said, when a child says, I feel like a girl, but I'm a boy, and a psychiatrist decide. Tries to treat that as an abnormality or a mental illness or a confusion, are you saying you can't question that. You can. There is your license. Yes. You can lose your license. Why? Because Miriam Grossman, I had her on, she wrote transnation, I think, and. And that can be considered malpractice, and you can get sued and lose your. Yeah.

So then the real problem is the psychiatric drugs, because they're all.

There you go. And what I'm saying is that if you might have a kid who's profoundly disturbed in a. In a number of ways, one of the manifestations of that is saying, I'm now a girl, or whatever it is, that should be a signal maybe many times that your kid is not well. And let's take a look at what the fuck is going on. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

If you say that, then you're anti trans.

Of course.

That's what I. That's back to what I'm saying.

How many mass shooters have we had? Clearly there's a issue, man.

Right?

There's an issue.

Right.

Doesn't mean all trans people are bad. But these mass shooters that. We got to figure it out. Can't keep going down this road.

I'm getting in touch with my feminine.

I say we just keep going down this road.

We don't have a choice.

As long as we disarm them all this is what they're gonna do.

I can't wait. I can't wait to see that they left defend.

I can't wait. Yeah, I'm gonna open up a transgender gun club in Austin. It. Let's go. The left will never oppose me. If I just. Like I say, well, I'm gonna open up a gun club only for transgender and non binary conforming people. Whatever.

It's good.

Gender non conforming.

Have you tried to have any of the really far left professors on your podcast?

No, I've had him in the past.

Have you?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

How's that go?

Not so good.

No.

Yeah, Yeah. I, I, Thaddeus Russell, I had a very long and stupid conversation with him about the difference between men and women. There's no difference. And I'm like, so if you get a boy puppy. If you get a puppy and it's a boy puppy and you wanted a girl puppy and they say, well, there's no difference.

Yeah.

What the fuck are you talking about? Like, this is the dumbest conversation ever.

But at least daddy's the guy who has have the debate. Most left won't even talk.

Yeah, yeah. It's not a good one.

You just talk in circles.

It's nonsense. It's nonsense.

You talk in circles. Yeah.

Like, I thought we were on the same page. I was like, no way off. Yeah. You're saying nonsense.

And does he have kids?

I don't think he does. I'm not sure.

I shouldn't say.

I have no idea. But the bottom line is biology is really simple. Double X xy. Sometimes there's a mistake, sometimes there's an error, and you get xxy. Sometimes you get hermaphrodites. And there's. That is a real thing, but it's super fucking rare.

Yes.

What this is is a social contagion. And Abigail Schreier wrote a fantastic book about it called Irreversible Damage that she highlights how they're happening in these clusters of A lot of girls who are autistic.

Yes.

And let's get to the bottom. What's causing all that? How come 1 in every 12 kids. Kids who's a boy in California has autism now? Because that's what's going on. That's what's going on in California, which has one of the strictest vaccine policies. One in 12. Did I say vaccines cause autism?

Maybe I RFK's getting to that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Now Florida doesn't demand vaccines.

Yeah. That's dangerous. Yeah.

I knew you'd jump on that train.

Of course it's dangerous, Brian. What are you talking about? You need to bail on the tetanus thing because Suzanne Humphries. Suzanne Humphreys explained tetanus.

Not a fact. She's just. I know that woman. What are you talking about?

So you're saying she's a medical doctor that absolutely understands tetanus. She said tetanus. All you have to do is keep the wound open and clean it.

Oh, that's.

You don't.

It's not.

It's not. Do you know how many people die of tetanus every year? Very few.

What about.

So let me ask you a question, Mr. Joe Rogan. Mr. Scientist. Are you saying don't. We should.

Don't do that. Don't call me Mr.

Scientist.

I'll start mocking you. And it's so much easier.

So are we. Are we not? So you don't believe in vaccines? You don't think we should have vaccines?

It's not that I don't believe in vaccines. I don't think you should give a kid a hep B vaccine when they're a baby.

Different subject.

No, mma, vaccine is absolutely connected to a host of serious debilitating problems that kids have gotten from them. There's a lot of problems because they don't test vaccines in a double blind placebo controlled setting. They test them against other vaccines. You know that, right?

Yes, I do. Excuse me. Let me just say something. Yes, you're right. You can make the argument for hep B. Here's why. Because the chances of a child coming in contact with the kind of activity that causes hep B is different.

Sexually transmitted disease.

So now you say this, you say this, that chance is 0. The chance for vaccine injury with the hep V B is not zero, is non zero. Okay, So I understand that math. Okay? What I'm trying to say to you is that there are certain diseases. Pick up a history book. Smallpox, diphtheria, mumps.

Have you ever looked at tetanus Polio.

Paralytic diseases.

Have you ever. Polio.

Please stop. You don't.

I don't.

I know you think it's just.

Humphrey, this is a long conversation that we're not going to have on this podcast because I'm going to get angry because I've. I've researched this for years. Right, let's just.

But you're not a scientist.

I don't have to be a scientist to know this. You do. No, Brian, shut the up. I don't have to be a scientist.

This.

To read research to understand that they were spraying DDT all over the country when everybody was getting polio. Do you know that? You know the first instances of polio they happened in rural communities where they're all farmland and agriculture and then cows were getting them and horses were getting them and dogs are getting them.

Let me make a statement.

They're calling it paralytic polio.

Do you agree with the following statement? It's not just going to do this with you, but it's not just about.

I brought up.

That's not just on. Hold on, Joe.

No, Brian, I don't want to do.

This but it's not.

We're in the middle of a fight companion. It's annoying, but it's like.

No one's anti vax.

Anti vax. Questioning why there's so many though.

My kids are all vaccinated and they're vaccinated. But they went on a delayed schedule. They delayed schedule.

So did mine. So did mine. You're not.

Yeah. Good for you. I don't think you need to.

No.

They're healthy as fuck.

Yeah.

Between the two of them have 12 touchdowns this week. Two home runs.

I think the problem is that the pharmaceutical drug companies have an exemption because of what they did in the 1980s with Reagan where they allowed them to never worry about being sued and that's when they ramped up the fucking schedule. And that's also the correlation. When you look at all the fucking host of all sorts of diseases and issues.

Just look at autism.

It's through.

Autism is just one. There's a lot of other autoimmune issues. There's a lot of. There's a lot of like serious problems.

I think there are three things that have pushed our us beyond our biology and the reason we don't have a lot of children dying in nutrition, sanitation and vaccines. And I think anybody says otherwise is, you know, I think it's crazy.

But you can't say all vaccines be.

I didn't say all Vaccines. But he's not saying all very worried when people. It sounds like he is, Brian.

You don't know what the fuck I'm saying. You don't.

Well, I know because you're. You don't want to talk about it, Brian.

I don't want to talk about in the middle of a podcast because it'll completely derail the podcast. And I'll start showing you statistics. If you look at when people stopped getting all of these diseases and then when the introduction of vaccines happened, it's at the end, after the diseases already gone through the population, most of those diseases were eradicated by sanitation and nutrition. There was a huge problem in this country. People are living in fucking squalor.

I agree. But there's still pathogens that are very dangerous. Sure there are.

So the problem is that these pharmaceutical drug companies are fucking insanely, entirely corrupt. They have been corrupt for a long fucking time. And there's a revolving door between the FDA and these pharmaceutical drug corporations. They go from the FDA into these positions, they have this golden parachute, and then they ramp up the fucking schedule every year. And it's not about public health. None of it is about looking out for you. All of it is about making money. That's the problem.

Who wants to do some smelling salt?

Okay's good. This guy's good.

Who wants to do some smelling salt?

Chuck, one over here. Jamie, we got some.

Where's oakai from?

From your mother's.

Hey, that's outline. Hey, that. That burn is too far. Joe and I always have these arguments. Score. Yes.

This one's weak.

Is it?

Yeah, it's a little old. It's a little old.

Get you going, though.

What are they like?

Look, we gotta.

We got seven of them over here.

Besides, God get you some, Brian. Get that big.

Besides the dick.

Besides to watch your friends suffer. What are the actual.

I don't know. Let's find out. Pop one of those. See if it cures your tummy.

It wakes you up, though.

It might help you stop or could make me nauseous. We'll see.

Yeah. If he projectile vomit on the Buddha.

Great. Don't do it, Gordon. You might throw up.

That's good for you.

This one's basically dead.

What is it actually supposed to do, though?

It just jolts your system. And like, this guy's got power lifter.

He's got like, adrenaline laying around every place I go.

Yeah, you go to the green room.

He's got like 30 bottles.

I know what you gave me. And I was like, I want more of that, that once I do it once I want to do, I want to keep doing it.

It's supposed to wake you up.

Yeah, it'll wake you up. Guys will do it before they lift. Super heavy. Go for pr.

I just a party. Hey.

Just to get away from the vaccines before he broken kills Brian. I brought it up.

I was, I was hoping you right after, right after he sniffed it that Brian was going to bring vaccines back up.

Joe and I used to have arguments about acting class. We'd get in shouting fights.

He used to tell me that vitamins weren't necessary. Oh yeah, vitamins are necessary. They don't do anything. This is me and him at a restaurant in Seattle. Please shut the up.

Yeah. But then I started taking vitamins and I called him up. I go, dude, I feel great. He goes, I know.

I wish you could go back in time and not take vaccines. Why am I so healthy? I never got psoriasis.

This is crazy. Hey, shut up.

Turns out I had autism the whole time now.

Dude, we've been in Austin for how many months now. I've been trying to give him a ways to. Well, for how long?

Finally I got my levels. My test the best. So I just got my levels test by with Brigham. It was awesome. And I got stem cells.

Nice.

So check this out. I got. I go, I. I'd worked out at archetype.

This is Marvin Vittori's brother.

Is it?

They look very similar.

I worked out I meant to call you about this. So I, I work out out and I kind of forgot I had to go. So I, I probably shouldn't have worked out. Didn't sleep much. But my test is. Is lowest ever been which is 785. Not bad.

That's very good.

Bad right?

That's very good.

Now my free though is. Is low. It's like 45. And she said it should be 151. But then I did a bunch of research on chat GPT with pubmed and I looked at. I talked to a couple other doctors and they said if your test is that high because I have a lot of energy. They go, just be careful because you got to test it again. So she at Wayswell they go we don't want to put you on anything yet because we want to test because your, your magnesium is a little low and your DHEA or whatever it is.

Yeah, yeah.

So they're going to put me on that because they're. My test is really high.

Yeah, just take trt.

No, no, no, he's right. Yeah. Magnesium is huge. And if you have low magnesium, that's huge.

Yeah, yeah. And I talked about straight Mike Israel, who, who gave me that. He told me, I said if I wanted to get huge, give me the steroids.

Not possible.

And he goes, do you want. Do you. You don't mind if your liver becomes Styrofoam? I go, just hit me with it. And he gave me the stack.

I saw that.

Oh, dud. Great.

Yeah, he's a freak.

He's amazing.

What was he talking DECA and all that.

He's got his PhD.

He's telling you to take DECA and everything.

Well, and also he's on everything.

Oh, yeah. Have you had him on? He's hilarious. Oh, I love that guy.

Here we go.

I think the co event's next.

Oki and Jones is the co next. Yep.

Nice.

Nice. That's what I'm looking for.

Me too.

Rui and Ben, who do you.

If you had the gun to your head, who do you have? Imov or Bahal?

It's. This is Bahalo's toughest fight I think in the ufc.

Imov has a better strength of schedule too. I usually go by that.

Yeah, yeah.

He's definitely faced the tougher competition and he's coming off of a KO of one of the all time greats.

I. I don't think either one gets.

Oh, just pop them.

Oh, damn.

Oh, please. End fast. I don't think.

Get to the main fight.

Getting dinged. Dude, he's getting dinged.

Tough though. There you go.

Well, he's moving. He's definitely moving, but he keeps getting popped on a chin.

I don't think the winner of IMOV in this fight. Hamzat. No, I think the winner of Fluffy and RDR fight. Cuz that I think that's more like you end in a finish.

Got a chin, I'll tell you that. Cuz this dude gets. Keeps getting cracked and Oki can crack and he's throwing haymakers at him.

Yeah, I think looking like a young Kevin Randleman, but hollows his. His defense is really good. Striking wise.

Well, he's really good all around. That team, that fighting nerds team is still crushing it. Are they so good? Yeah, they're so good. Where are they out of Brazil. Brazil.

Yeah.

Yeah, they're. That's John Silva, that's Carlos Pratas, Mauricio Rufiio very Now Mikhail Oleg Sajuk. He's over there with them now.

Wow.

Came over from Poland. He's like it. Let's go.

I feel like those polls and stuff. Those Russians have such good fundamentals and defense have good bones.

Yeah, like when. When Yambohovic used to go shin to shin with people. Yeah, Magomed off. Was just limping all over the place like, what the are you doing? Just going shin to shin when it cracked. Oh, he's such a dense dude.

My shins are like, touch them, you flick them.

Vaccines. It's all those vaccines.

I got bird bones. I would have been a great fighter if I didn't have bird bones.

See, I'd like to see DDP at light heavy.

Really?

Yeah.

I think you'd some dudes up.

Don't you think they would out wrestle him there? The problem with that guy is now after what Hamza did to him, everyone's gonna out wrestle the words out.

If you give him the right matchups then when. If he got the incline.

The thing is though, most guys are not at Hamzat's level.

Aren't as good. Good at at keeping at riding.

Oh my gosh, it's turned around.

Look at this.

Oh my God.

No, he doesn't have it under.

He's laying down. I'll tell you what too. I was in.

Look at this.

This guy's got tired. I mean, you gotta think how much energy he blew.

Pretty good at riding chest to chest. And he's much better than mo than pretty much everyone at riding chest to back.

Dude, I went to the Hamzat's camp and I didn't want to be biased. I called Joe when I left. I went, dude, I've never seen anyone look like that. And I was like, I've been out of the game a little bit. Last person I saw that dominant in camp was John. Dude. I'm talking national champion wrestlers, All American wrestlers, world class ju guys. He was them up and was kind of going light and then the coach yelled something and whatever, chest in. And he just mopped the floor with everybody back to back to back.

Do you think that Bo Nickel has taken a little page from that, that that whole game, which is I'm gonna just blast W or grab.

We're gonna find out. They just announced.

Yeah, but what do you do with Rene?

It's different though.

Yeah. When he fought Reiner Deridder, first of all, what do you do? You're gonna get him to the ground and then what happens? You're gonna get strangled like Deridders. Way better on with Jiu jitsu. Way better with Jiu Jitsu. And what if he reverses you and gets you on Your back. Yeah, you know, like, so he didn't want that. Also, Deridder is way.

So that's why he didn't deridder.

6 4, and he's a giant. 185 giant. Oh.

Oh, my God.

Merit. Oh, wow. Let it go. Damn, these guys are exhausted. This was a crazy first round.

Yeah, it was.

But now that this guy weathered the storm. What a chin Jones, dude. What a chin. Because this dude took some bombs.

Other dudes can be gassed.

Is everybody going to move into a crucifix now, too? After that DDP fight, How many times did he get him in a crucifix?

I think it's like a full five minutes.

He had him control bananas, but it.

Wasn'T doing too much damage there. But. But I. I still think it's a mistake where people are like, oh, the Hamzat style's boring. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. That's how he fought ddp these next guys. Like, he's a finisher, man. He's a savage.

Yeah, well, he wanted to win, right? He's got to keep more to your point, Joe.

He wanted to win. It's also his first time. And I know it's Hamza and he's this big. There's all this hype. Remember, it's his first chance at a title. You're fighting dd.

Get the W. You don't want to.

Risk it on your feet. Seat. But he even went in the corner.

He.

With Strukin, was in his corner. He goes, I want to stand through. He goes, absolutely not. Keep doing what you're doing. We have it in the bag. He's like, keep doing what you're doing.

He also. He also learned a valuable lesson because if you look at his fights in the past, like the big. The big question was cardio was cardio was will. Will he. Will he fade in the 4th and 5th, whereas DDP just never.

See. I don't think that got answered, because if I. If you did a UFC fight and you were just on top the whole time doing jiu jitsu, do. I don't find out much about that because that. That's what you do.

But he learned an important lesson from it, that if. If you can ride the guy and make him carry body weight for the full amount for full time of the match, doesn't matter how good the cardio is, there's such a discrepancy in work rate that even if it's. Even if his VO2 max is much higher than yours, he's Going to get past tires. So he, he learned a tactical lesson where he just basically just recreated what Khabib does.

Was.

Yeah.

Like with Gilbert, he was just striking the whole time. And you saw I started to get.

Also, Gilbert has a guard. Yeah, Gilbert has a very dangerous guard. And I think that was part of the problem.

And he was compromised at 170. I think he's so big. How he got to 70, I'm like, what?

Yeah, I think you're right. Compromised at 170.

What?

That weight cut was brutal.

He's a legit six two, isn't he?

He's big.

Oh, yeah.

And he's strong as man, which is really crazy that he got himself to 170 and still maintain any strong strength, that wrestling strength.

Christ. Yeah.

I don't know who's gonna beat him at 85.

Brookie is tired.

He went all out to get the finish.

Well, Chael Sonnen famously said that once, if you go for a finish and you do not get it, you won't win a decision. It's not always, it's not always interesting, but it's a very, it's a very astute quote.

Yeah, you, you use all your adrenaline. Oh, getting tossed.

What do you think of jail? Well, and there's matches with the two. I heard that was buggy chokes.

I heard that was a kind of exhibition though. Yeah.

They look fake.

Yeah, look, they could work.

They looked. It looks.

Yeah, I believe it was fake. I think it would happen anyway. Perhaps.

Yeah, they had a match and Chael.

Also took it on like a day notice.

Yeah. Yeah.

So that's how that should go.

Yeah.

I'm sure he was in mid camp anyway.

Gordon, have you ever rolled with any of those high level Russian wrestlers or daggies?

No. I mean, there's some sambo guys. Like we had like a couple of smaller guys that used to train out of Ricardo. Ricardo Almeida's camp. But like none of the big guys. No, it was really.

I was listening to you talk about the importance of watching, studying the minutiae, like tape. Like sitting there and watching. Like almost the way a football player watches tape. Nobody does that, huh?

Yeah, they do.

They do. I'm saying with Jiu Jitsu, they do.

But most people just don't know what to look for. They, they.

Oh, nice spinning elbow.

Yeah, you just break it down.

They look, they look, they look for the wrong things or just surface level things most of the time.

Like, like Sarukian and Hamzat would watch, watch hours of tape.

Really.

And if they. And they'd watch it with. With no commentary, and they'd watch hours and hours to pick up tendencies from the guy. And if the guy only did it once, they'd watch, like, five of his fights. He only did a move once. It's on his rep.

So they're watching tape all the time.

All pros are big.

Yeah.

At this level, you don't make this level.

Just.

But if you. If you look at the wrestling that the Dagestani guys do in fighting, there's no real place to study that wrestling. You have to create your own system. System. Because it's not Jiu Jitsu. It's not wrestling. Like, if you look at freestyle wrestlers. Freestyle wrestlers, historically in the UFC don't hold anybody down. Like, they. The takedowns are scored by the actual takedowns in freestyle wrestling. Yeah.

I always. I always wondered why, but that's a good point.

Not. Not control. Yeah.

Yeah, the takedown. And when we were fighting means nothing. It's the control that actually scores. Like, can you hold the guy down and actually keep him down and do damage?

That's why the daggies are dominant.

Is that why Joel Romero never used his wrestling? Because he was so.

I think that was a cardio issue.

Really?

Well, he.

He. He would put guys down, but he wouldn't hold them down. Yeah, like. Like when Khabib and Hamza put guys down.

Oh, Jones is okay.

Keep him down.

Or George put a guy down. Like, he. Would he keep him down.

Yep.

Okie's in real trouble.

And, you know, George did a better job at punishing guys as they got up.

Elbows.

Hamza and Khabib did a better job. Oh, my God.

Of controlling.

Of controlling and making them carry body weight up.

Jones has some cardio, man, because this is a crazy pace, and they're in the middle of the second. He's just smashing.

They're about to stop it. They're about to stop.

Oh, my God. He's gonna go out there. He's gonna go out co. Main event, baby.

Coming hot.

Wow.

What a comeback.

What you say Paul Craig is fighting first?

Oh, Paul Craig. That's my favorite guy to watch when he's on his back. Yeah, Paul Craig can pull some off. He's one of the rare guys.

He lost six times last eight.

Yeah, he loses, but he just.

The UFC just resigned him.

Oh, he's finding Modestus Bacakis. He's fun to watch. I like him at light heavyweight, too. When he got down the middleweight, I was like, boy, how hard is that? You're so big.

Are there any Americans left in these?

There's no Americans. There's no American champions. Right, right.

Males.

No males.

I don't know. Is she gonna fight 45 at the White House? 35.

35.

Make it 45 for her. I mean, that's just painful.

She made 35 to win the title. That's the champ. She's the champ at 35 that fights.

At the White House.

She was at the White House yesterday.

I think it is kind of crazy that Amanda Nunes has been the 45 pound champion. And then they just abandoned the weight class.

Yeah, because there's like three big.

And she was running through them, you know, like, I saw her 45.

Yeah. I saw Kayla at one of the UFC's and just like when she was probably 175. I mean, it's obscene.

She's thick. She looks like Glen Tebow.

She's incredible. She's just incredible. She's like, just incredible. Like just, you know, a body like that. I'm too light in the ass, but, you know, I appreciate it. Yeah.

Would you like her to grab you and throw you around?

If she only had a huge car.

Against my will.

If she only had a beard.

She's my type.

One of them.

One of them beards, like Gordon Ryan type, special operator beards.

No, I think she's.

I think, yeah, she's pretty girl.

She's.

And you're talking about the greatest judoka ever out of America.

And Joanna in Jen. Jack. When she's. She's. I thought she was very hot. You don't see her when she's all skinny and stuff. I saw her at the UFC in a dress.

She looks a lot better now.

Jesus.

Yeah, yeah. She's starving herself to make Unbelievable. That weight her whole life.

She was great, great fighter.

But Kayla Harrison's both, supposedly. That's the.

The.

She's gonna find the White House guard.

Valentina Shevchenko is. I find her very attractive. Yeah.

Cool.

I'll share that with you guys.

You like how she got a gun tattooed on her hip?

I do. Yes, I do. Wow. Yes, I do. It's very black. You take kind out of that sentence.

She's the real life black widow. Like the lady from the Avengers.

Yeah. Shoots guns.

Yeah. Like really good, too. She's a really good markswoman, I guess you would say.

She's fighting whale.

They. Yeah, that's gonna be. That's gonna be.

That's interesting.

Very fun.

Well, at this point in her career, it seems to me that you know, she doesn't wade into the fire like she did when she was younger, you know, smarter. Yeah, yeah.

I mean she grapples heavy too. If she has.

Very good grappler. Yeah, very good grappler.

But Zhang Weili is a demon. She's a demon.

Chinese demon.

She comes out and she could do everything artificially.

She's got to deal with that wrestling though. That's the one thing. Yes. Got that edge.

Yeah. But. Well, it's going to be interesting. It's going to be interesting. See if Zhang Weili is even stronger at 125. Because I don't know how much weight she's cutting. You know, I don't know how hard that 115 cut is, but when you're down that low, 10 pounds is a giant difference. Everything, it's so big.

There's never been any movement on just making another weight class in the middle of that.

God. There should be, there should be a weight class, fellas.

It should never happening.

There should be a weight class every 10 pounds for me. Diagram. Yeah. No, boxing is a lot more.

Boxing a lot more.

It's just, they just need it where there's tweeners like 85 to 205 is bananas. 20 pounds is crazy.

Well, hold up.

Remember I would fight at 1, 230, 235. Every guy I fought was 265.

Right.

Think about from 206 to 265 is a weight class. That's insane.

It is really. I should be a cruiserweight? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It should be a 225 weight class.

Remember we were trying to figure out that name the other day for the weight class in boxing. I think it's called Bridger Weight. I think they're calling it Bridger Weight. There's like a 220 something weight class.

Meanwhile. Meanwhile, the gorilla over here couldn't make 225 and he'll tell you he can, but he could.

Well, you could, but it would be hard. It would be. It would be dehydration.

I could. Cuz I'm not doing tons of cardio now.

If Pereira can make 185, he can make it. He's got big bones. But the thing is like big strong muscle guys actually can lose more weight. That's why yoel could do it because your muscles are mostly right. That makes sense. 2. Yeah. Bridge your weight. That's it. We couldn't remember what that was the other day.

That's an awesome idea.

Yeah, it's a good move. I think that they should have legitimately a weight class every 10 pounds in MMA. And I don't think that's bad. You have a ton of talent, 205, and you can get a little crazy there and go, 205, 225. And then I think for heavyweight, it should be unlimited. It shouldn't be. You have to make two.

The problem is you get big slots, sloppies.

So what?

Sloppies. Get up. They don't have a problem with that in boxing.

They already have big sloppies now.

Yeah. Look at Moses Saitama. Right? Boxing doesn't have a problem like that.

Right.

That kid is only like 250 or something like that, or 240 something.

I mean, the UFC has a problem at 2, 265. Like, there's no talent right now. There's. There's no big guys.

Right?

But you don't have to be 265. You. You could be 300. You could be 205. Like, you could literally wait.

Brock Lesnar.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, look at Brock Lesnar. Or Francis. If he didn't cut one weight like Francis cuts, or Tim Sylvia in his prime when he was.

Manufacturing big guys. Right now.

Francis. Yeah. I think Francis at his highest is probably around 300.

I had dinner with him one night, and he was 295.

Why? Seriously? All muscle and. And there's no fat on him.

No, I was. I was sitting next to him, and his, like, his leg was, like, the size of my torso.

Jesus Christ.

So he had to cut weight to get to 265. Imagine that.

So did Carwin. So did Lesnar.

Yep.

Some of those boys do so horny, right now.

I remember when I was training at a mall, Easton's Place, in Boulder, and Carwin walked in. It didn't even look like a human being. It looked like one of the Avengers. It looked like the thing.

It looks like the thing.

First time I met so big. First time I met Carwin, I look at him, I go. I go. I go, I don't know what I'd do if I had to share a jail cell with you. And he goes, I didn't even know I'm. He goes, you'd suck my. And then he picked me up. I didn't even know. He picked me up. And he squeezed me, and I started tapping. He goes, that's 30%.

That dude had giant fists.

Yeah.

His fists were preposterous.

4X 4x, right? 4 and 5x.

Yeah, something.

He was 285.

He had biggest glove ever. UFC history.

He was your. He was your main sparring partner, Right. It was good for your head.

That's all I had.

Just punching each other in the face.

It was a great team.

We push each other, bro.

How good is Laure Murphy?

He look good. How about poor Aaron Pico?

Yeah. Is that what they're going to do?

They did it.

What do you mean?

Got knocked out.

Theon Murphy, spinning elbow. Aaron Pico.

Oh, oh, oh, oh. I thought you said porier and Pico.

Sorry, I got a speech impediment.

I thought you said that. I was like, what the poier.

What?

I was so confused. I was like, Pico's going to 55. But he just got knocked down.

He looks so good. I got back. Pico looks so good. He looked so good, man.

Yeah. He's so slick.

He's too aggressive.

You said it.

Pico, right.

Right away.

Look at even Pico. Pico. Pico took him down.

Yeah.

Amazing wrestler.

Yeah.

And couldn't hold him down.

Yeah, that's right.

Good point. It's a good point. Right. If you had that daggy wrestling.

Yeah.

He could control him more. But Even the first 20 seconds I looked at my wife, I go, pico's gonna get knocked out. She's like, what the. I'm like, he's way too aggressive. And you can get away being that aggressive at these lower levels. Bellator, pfl all that, right. When you're fighting a world class guy, dude, they're gonna use that aggression against.

You and you're get key time that.

You'Re not just gonna get starched, you're gonna get.

So I thought it was. I thought it was a lucky shot. And then I was like, of course he did. Yeah. I don't know.

That's the vaccines talking.

Yeah, that's the vaccine.

It's the vaccines.

There's a. There's a few guys.

Look at that. What is that choke? Is that an anaconda?

I see the start of it.

I like how he gets over him and starts barking.

He's in that fight nerd camp, right?

Yes, yes. He's one of the best. That's a good fight. That's a really good fight. Him and Lopez.

It's in San Antonio, isn't it?

Next Saturday.

He's supposed to be in Mexico.

Yeah, yeah.

Lopez got fight. Well, who did he lose to? The recent last fight, who was it?

Volkanovsky.

Yeah. Good to come back, by the way, at that weight class too.

At his age. At his age.

Murphy versus I talked to him.

Is Doing his camp with us.

There's the choke. If you want to analyze it. Gordon.

Gordon.

That. It's.

It's almost. It's like. It looks like a figure four guillotine, but Bryce tried to turn out of it.

Jesus.

I think it started when he was chest to back.

Yeah.

I think, remember, that was Bryce's discipline fight because he praised him.

It's a figure four guillotine, and he tried to turn out, but he didn't.

Yeah.

You're not getting out of.

Yeah. Yikes. Yeah. I talked to o' Malley about. Like, I said, what is it about? Merab is chain wrestling and stuff.

And he was like, cardio.

His. He's so. He's actually. Actually, he said. Sean said he's strong. He's way stronger than you can imagine. Like, he's just. You know, some of these guys are just made of metal.

That worked so hard.

Rob. Yeah.

So hard. When DC went to visit him the day after he won, after he won the title off of Sean, he was running.

What?

The day after, D.C. went to his home in Vegas and he goes, rob's out running. And D.C. made a video. Can you believe this?

He's afraid.

Like, showed his gym the day after, after the fight. So Sunday, he went to visit his friend and who just won the title. Marab is running.

Well, dude, he was. When he was doing. When he was wrestling with the gold medalist, Henry Cejudo, he was winking and saying to Mark Zuckerberg, cage side. Yeah.

He's like, how he picked him up. Picked him up.

Kissed his back.

Yeah. Just threw him to the ground.

Laugh.

Rob has the best whip in UFC history.

He's also just so good.

It's.

And what you got to like about him is he's super active where most champions aren't. He wants to fight all the time.

That's a thousand pounds.

Well, he trains so hard, and he trains constantly. And, you know, when I talk to guys who train with him in the gym, they're like, you can't even just watch him hit pads is nuts.

Really.

He just does everything full blast, full blast, all the time. And so he's gotten acclimated to just this insane workload.

And he loves it.

Yeah. Same work rate. Also, he's from a part of the world where, like, George is tough. Yeah, that's tough.

Because you have one option. One option. Fight your way.

DC was on Shay Shay show Shannon Sharps. And they were. They're asking him. They're like, what is about the Dagestanians? And D.C. gave a great answer. I love the interview. He goes, it's not that they're better athletes or that they. Any of that stuff. They're not better athletes than we are. It's just they have no other option. So, like, because Sharon goes, well, your son has all the resources. Yeah. But over there they have nothing. So my son has all the resources. He's. Yeah, he's like, they, they have to make it where my son can fall back on his dad. Over there. There's no fallback. So they train their ass off because they have to.

Also the hunger, the, the drive.

Yeah.

In Russia, it's supported those countries, like, you get a doctorate in boxing and like, you know, know you gotta, you gotta save stipend. Yeah.

It could be for when the championship owns like half of Russia.

Yes, he does.

That's the award.

Yeah.

Like, try to get him to fight again, man.

Like, he's like, what?

Why, why would I do that? Yeah, I'd have put myself through that. Plus he's got to weigh 200 pounds now.

Yeah.

Thick.

He's very thick.

He's big, this boy.

Islam's doing. I, I think Islam only has like two or three left, max. Maybe two left.

Really?

Yeah.

What makes you think that?

In his interview he's talked about it.

Really?

Yeah, dude. John Fitch said when he would wrestle, and John Fitch is an insane wrestler, and John's probably 200 pounds walking around. John said, in fact, it was 205 when I was talking to him. And, and he said when he would wrestle Khabib, if he could stand up once in practice with him, it was a good day.

Jesus.

Like, that's John Fitch.

It is very fascinating what you're saying, Gordon, that there is a giant difference between just regular freestyle wrestling and control based MMA wrestling.

Yeah, it's. It's completely different. Different, different rules, different scoring criteria like that the takedowns themselves score and the higher amplitude the throw, the more points you score. Whereas when you're fighting, especially at the heavier weights, you don't want to lift a guy fucking over your back multiple times. You get tired and the more, the more energy the throw, the more, the higher amplitude, the less control you have when you land.

Americans just need to adapt to that style again, they don't have some secret. It's just we need to adapt our style to it.

Yeah, but they adapted early on. And that's, that's the secret.

There's so much to it, though. There's so much to it.

But if you look at any guys, they are, they are significantly better than the Americans and everyone at riding chest to chest and especially riding chest to back. Like it's pretty easy to hold the guy down if you just stuff him in half guard and you ride chest to chest. But when the guys start to turtle and they turn away like Khabib. The only thing that ever fucked up Khabib was when guys grammy'd on him. Like a guy. I forget who he fought earlier. His career. Grammy'd a few times. Actually got away. Actually reversed. Yeah. And then, but. And then Hamza actually follows Granby's pretty well. Like DDP tried one Grammy, I think it was. And Hamzat followed through. Their ability to ride chest to back and just keep hands on the floor the whole time. So the entire weight, the time, entire, like for like 22 minutes. DDP was carrying ham. That's entire body weight.

It's also the wrist control. So they take, they take away their foundations.

Yeah. One of the most anxiety filled moments I ever had calling a fight was when he got Michael Johnson. And when Khabib got Michael Johnson into Kimura and Michael wasn't tapping, I'm like, please tap, please tap, please tap. Because it was like full on. And if he wanted to, he could have snapped.

Was that when he was talking to him saying, come on.

Yeah. He said, you know, I deserve this. You know, I deserve title shots.

It would have been like, you know, you're right.

I mean, what was actually interesting in the Hamdot fight was no and no one talked about this was he actually ended up in bottom position at the end of the fight.

Yes.

And he ended up in half guard. He couldn't get up. And DDP passed them into mount and then briefly took his back. He fucked it up and he fell off. So everyone forgot about it. But Khamzat himself wasn't that good at getting up when he was in bottom position.

Yeah, that's a good point. That's very good point.

He did a really good job at holding the guy down. But when he actually got put in bottom position, it's, it's funny because if he's. He knows how to hold the guy down. So in theory he should be able to reverse engineer that and say, yeah, I'm doing this, this and this to hold the guy down. So I need to deny him the ability to do this, this and this.

But I, I'd be curious on Hamzat's camp how often guys are getting him where he's working on his back. Nobody.

Yeah, probably nobody.

Well, that's, that's that's his. His problem. He should be putting himself in those positions 100%.

You know, another good matchup that's coming. Bo Nickel is fighting.

Oh, I just saw that. I forget who it is, though.

What about. What about him? Is he a really great jiu jitsu guy?

World champion.

You ever seen his body? He makes blazing Tebow look like a fatso. Yeah. Show me Rodolfo Vieira's body. You never seen Hidolfo Freak. Oh, my God. He's got one of the freakiest bodies you've ever seen in mma. And amazing Jiu jitsu world class.

I think that's a tough matchup for her.

Damn it. Oh, that guy's awesome. I saw him at Metamorous, bro.

He's a beast.

He fought somebody. He's ridiculous.

He's a beast.

Yeah, I. I'm built for dance. This is such. Look at that.

But in. In mma, he's. His striking is much improved. He's getting a lot better.

Has some experience.

Come on.

It's a good fight for Bo.

He's better than.

That's just shows you how dangerous Fluffy Hernandez is, because Fluffy cooked him.

He finished him.

Fluffy be people up.

He people up. He's like. Like someone was calling him the middleweight marab and it's like that. Like, he melts guys.

He melts guys. And it's interesting because he doesn't have like a. A world class background. Wrestling. He quit wrestling, I think his freshman.

Year in high school.

So he doesn't have like this extensive wrestling background.

Dog. That guy.

Remember, Remember you, me and Matt Mitrione, we were backstage and Rodolph had his shirt on off, and he's just standing like that. When it was at your. Me. Me, Matt, Matron, you and. And we were both. Look, we were all looking at him like this, just like, like, like teenage girls. It's like the. Is going on with that guy's body.

He has a preposterous build.

Preposterous.

It's interesting though, how he doesn't have a lot of submissions in the ufc.

No, guys avoid it. Guys avoid it. Keeping on the feet, you know, it was like Bushesha too. He came over, you know, he's doing well in one championship. Then came over the ufc and he got dealt with. Man, I love busses, but just didn't translate.

And then Boudet, the guy who beat him, they cut. Yeah, yeah.

I didn't watch that fight, but from what I understand, Basa had a hard time holding him down.

He had his back so many times. And he was getting high. It's like, but I need to know the JIU 101.

How does a guy win a fight and then you cut him?

Boring. The UFC's there for entertainment.

They did that.

Was it that boring? I mean, that's how you're supposed to fight that guy. Like, with dd. He was boring then.

Oh, I loved it. But I see what you're saying. I see, I see what you're saying. But with, with him, it's, you know, heavyweight, no finishes, and he had a body of a, you know, a lunch lady. They're like, but we can't sell this. We can't.

I understand.

You're the best lunch lady in the world. We can't sell it.

I mean, cutting him off of win against Bo is. Is kind of rough. I, I, I agree. Like, they just had a lot of hype coming.

They didn't cut. They didn't cut him. They didn't resign them.

That's the same thing.

Hey, tomato. Not your boy, Dana.

I would be the worst for that because I'm an. I would be like anti marketing. I would be. There's the number system. Let's figure out what the number system is. So number one, the champion always has to fight. Number two. Yeah, that's make money, though. Yeah, I get it. But I mean, I feel like we're.

Trying to see what the best guy is.

If it's football.

Hey, what.

Get baseball or anything like that. Like, you have to. You do this, and that's how you get get. You get to the number one.

You'll see it in Craig's.

Got to be careful.

Not. But they make. They'll make more money than me. They'll make way more money than my version, which takes place on a football field.

Dude, you and Eddie in that football field. And no gloves, remember? Not argue that with him.

No gloves.

Years of arguing.

Up kicks allowed.

Up kicks.

Soccer kicks allowed. Stomps allowed.

Pride. Old Pride.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But better.

God.

Because Pride didn't have elbow elbows.

True.

Which is really bananas when you think about. That's what they threw the line Rampage Jackson did. Do you. Do you remember when Ricardo Rona, that crazy slam off the triangle?

Yeah.

Now imagine that's okay. But you can't elbow a guy.

No.

That's where we go.

Like stomp kicking.

Dudes. Do they even have.

Did Pride even have standing elbows? I don't remember.

Name one elbow you ever saw.

That's why Wild.

So let me see.

Crow cop soccer kick guy in the face. Yeah, they're like, that's good. That is so crazy.

They didn't even allow standing elbows where.

They draw the line.

Dude, they used to have headbutts. You could be in somebody's garden to start.

No, that was ufc. That was early days. They used to do that. Yeah, maybe early Days of Pride had that. Because early days of pride was like 94. And there was still headbutts back then. Because I remember when I was working for the UFC in 97, Mark Coleman was using headbutts from the guard.

They would use headbutts.

Yeah, Yep. And with wrestling shoes on. Come on. Yeah, bro. Everybody got on the sauce and Mark Coleman was around. Everybody got saucy. That's a rumor. Everybody got saucy because that dude would hold you down and headbutt the out of you.

Do you want to talk about somebody on the sauce? When you look at Mark Kerr and.

His heyday, holy cast in America, besides.

Randy, she was like 285.

I was there when he wrestled 188 in college. College senior year, I believe. And he was 260.

And then he was like, this is gay.

I was there.

I'm going to 285.

Kerr. When Kerr fought Dan Bobbitt and he stuck his chin in his eye. Stuck his chin in his eye sock and grabbed the back of his neck.

I'll tap.

Look at. That's me interviewing him.

I was with you, bubba.

Size that.

I was with you, that, that. We went to that fight and we talked to him afterwards.

Crazy.

How about that?

Picture him next to it. The sad truth. Oh, my God, that's crazy.

How about the Rock had to get on more steroids to play him in a biopic. That's how big Mark her was like, hey, hey, Rock, we need you to play marker. We need you to give him on more steroids.

I hear Rock got like, they got a 8 minute standing natural dude.

Yeah, a lot of weight. He lost a lot of weight. Have you seen him now? He slimmed down. I bet getting that big probably felt.

Like, well, someone was like, hey, your heart's going to explode.

Right.

And number two, you got 50.

50.

Your heart's working overtime and you don't have the forged internals. And also he wants different roles. He doesn't want to just play the action.

Right, right, right, of course. Yeah. They all want to do that. That's why he's getting a politics batista. That's why he.

Oh, that's right.

Yeah. He lost all that weight, too. And people like oh, you look so scrawny now. And he was like, I'm 6, 4, 2, 40.

Yeah.

He's like, I need, I need a break too. My body like the difference between him.

At £300 being very unhealthy. He's like, I feel so much better now. Yeah. I saw him in an interview recently. I love that guy as an actor. But the thing that he did on the Jimmy Kimmel show where he was like mocking Trump and like punching the heavywag and calling him up. Oh, that was bad Bag of milk.

It was so cringy.

Who is this?

Yeah, he's like, you think you're a tough guy? Yeah, dude.

Okay. He's 80.

Like, what are you doing, dude?

You're punching the bag. Is this. Who told. Who said you should do this?

Have you ever seen.

Because if he wins, this is a bad look.

I bet you got paid though. I bet he did. It's like Travis Kelce with Fizer.

Yeah.

Did he get like 20, 20 mil? I was making fun of him. They told me how much he made. I went, I get it.

He was.

Yeah. He probably said, give me that Biden dose in it.

Yeah. What's that?

Have you seen Batista? Had an MMA fight.

It Won an MMA fight. Took guy down.

Problem belt in jiu jitsu.

Big, strong.

You always got to be careful with celebrity belts.

Well, Mataroya, I think, who's got one? That's it's illegit. Is there because everybody brings up that moneybird guy. You, you trained with him.

Yeah, I'm friends with him.

Gordon, Gordon, Gordon.

Derek. Everyone thinks that Derek is going to go out and beat an ADCC champion. That's just.

Well, Paul Craig's about to go. Of course it's just not beat up.

That's not how it's going to work. But I mean if he trained with like a guy, his like he's 45 years old to 42 years old. Like if you train, train with like a 42 year old black belt, he'd do fine.

That's all you need to hear. Because everybody was like so against. Because he's rich. But here's the thing. If you're rich and you have discipline and. Oh, did he kill him.

That's it. Yeah.

That's bad.

That's really bad.

All right, coming events coming up.

What was that? That was a weird stop.

It was bad. No, not really. It was really bad.

No, no, no, no, no. I mean he stopped. Stepped away.

Yeah.

Oh, it was after the bell. We didn't hear the bell. Oh, yeah, yeah. They just waved off. Bukaka's had the worst knee injury I've ever seen in the ufc.

Really?

Khalil Roundtree side kicked him in the knee. Remember that? It was horrible, dude. He totally bent his knee sideways and down. See if you can find that, Jamie, so we could all cringe.

I guess.

I guess when it comes to give.

That rich tree, Modestus Bacakis, I guess.

When it comes to giving that rich guy the black belt, I think for, for people that do Jiu Jitsu, it's like there's different levels of the black belt. Like, if you're never gonna compete and he got in what, two years?

It's three and a half.

It's it.

That's the thing is that doesn't matter. Like, just get better Jiu Jitsu. The belts are relevant.

Good point, good point.

It's like, explain irrelevant.

Like there's just focus on getting better at Jiu Jitsu. The belts are irrelevant.

Agree. I didn't come up with the market and give him his black belt. That's what I'm saying.

Yeah, I mean, listen, I didn't give him his black belt either, but Jake Shields did it.

Jake Shields is very legit. And so if he said he's a black belt, I just take it at face value. Okay, watch this, watch this. Oh, Jesus, bro. And that's Khalil Roundtree, who's one of the nastiest kickers in the sport.

Me a shot.

Oh, look at him. He's just laying there in agony.

And you know, that's 10 months.

Oh, it was least he had to get it reconstructed, but now Bukakas has some big ass legs. Here's the elbow that took Paul Craig out.

Oh, my God.

Behind the air.

Isn't that crazy how sideways that goes? That goes so sideways.

Dude.

It just blew it apart.

God.

Your knees are trained seven days a week. Look at this, like four hours a day.

Who does, Derek? That's a lot. That's legit.

Yeah, man.

If you've got discipline with legitimate champions and he has like some of the best ability to recall information that I've ever seen. Like, I could.

I can teach him something.

I could teach him something.

Autism.

I can teach him something. And I come back a year later and he's like. He's like, oh, we worked on this, this, and this last time.

I guess he did black belt. As far as knowledge. Knowledge rolling with you guys. But as far as competition goes, like, is he executing it in against other guys?

Like, besides, you Guys, he doesn't compete. He has no aspirations.

No, no, he means a trainer training.

Does he go against other like purple belts, brown belts?

So he trains, he trains for the guy. So he comes in to train him so he doesn't have like a lot of looks? Like, yes. Like he doesn't go like a normal gym and train, which I think is something that's important to do just for your just personal journey in jiu jitsu. Yeah, but, but if he like we, like we just opened a new school, we just opened Kingsway and we have like, we have, we have a bunch of black belts who come from other schools and you know, he goes against it for the last like 10 years. I'm used to being around like a shitty black belt, to me is like a guy I competed at a world level and I call my submission on. That's like my, my like definition of a shitty black belt.

Godamn.

Like go to a gym and you see like what your average black belt is, that it kind of brings you back to reality and you're like, oh, this is what most black belts are like. If Derek rolled with like a regular black belt in a gym, he'd do fine maybe, right?

Because he, he's not doing. It's like when Brian told me he's.

Really good at tennis and I said.

Are you paying the, the instructor?

Know what I'm saying?

Like if you're paying the guy.

I train with normal black belts at a gym and I train with Derek when I go there, like he, I'm telling you, he would do fine against the normal black belts.

Well then that's what it is. Yeah, you would know.

Like, like he's not gonna, he's not gonna go out and win worlds. But like if he had, if he had to compete against like an average black belt who's been doing jiu jitsu for, you know, 10 years and he does it for an hour at a random gym in Kentucky, like he would hold his own. Like he would, I mean he would probably beat him up, to be honest.

Wayne McCulloch said about me on a, on a radio station.

I like how he brought it back to you.

No, I'm telling you because to his point, point, to his point, Wayne McCullough. McCullough goes, I put, I put Brian. I laugh even saying it. He goes, he goes, I put Brian in the ring with anybody. Meanwhile. Meanwhile, even a remotely good amateur would knock me the out, right?

It's not just that being in the ring with anybody doesn't mean anything. It Means once you watch, you get punched.

Also, also, I never put Brian in.

The ring with Mike Tyson.

Also, I never, I never. I would spar with these guys. If they were good, they would take it easy and they'd move around with a 48 year old actor like he's a.

He's a 42 year old hobbyist who's worth $100 million and focuses on making money.

Yeah.

And also trains four hours a day.

Sounds awesome.

Everyone's giving him shit because he used it to market himself and was like, you're too fucking stupid to get a black belt in three and a half years. And I'm not. That's why everyone's upset about him. Well, he does train hard every day.

It's a great idea because I had no idea he existed and now I'm defending him.

Right.

I defended him based on what you said.

Actually, he's here right now. He did the 10:30.

Paul Craig just retired.

Good for him.

Yeah, that's enough. I mean, that guy's been KO'd again a gang of times. And he's a great guy. It's very smart too.

Yeah, I'm sure it gets to a point though, right, where you get to.

An age and by the way, has a submission victory over the champion Maga man. And Goliath caught him with a triangle. His triangle's so tight. It's so quick too.

He got on.

Yeah. With one second to go, dog. One second to go.

Go.

In the third round, whipped up a triangle and he made him tap with 1 second to go. That's how tight it was.

And had the COVID vaccine the day before. That's what's incredible.

Yeah, he had all but Gordon, you.

Can see why some people, if a guy gets his backbone two years, you're like, okay, what's going on?

Three and a half.

But you're right, you're just faster than BJ Pan.

But how much did he really train? So like, this is the idea that we always say, this is what I always say. Like when people talk about Jake Paul, they say, oh, Jake Paul is YouTubers. This now goes go. Pull out, push all that away. Yes. But that doesn't mean he can't be good at something. Like. And also the kid was a wrestler in high school and college. Legitimate athlete. Like if I just watched him, if I watched him knock out Tyron Woodley, just watched him, I'd say that kid's a prospect. He's fun, he's exciting, he's young, he's got one punch. Go to sleep power.

Yes. He didn't have all that baggage, but I put up.

But that's the baggage. It's psychological. You look at him like as the YouTube guy. So a rich guy, like a, like a moneybird guy or a Zuckerberg. You say, oh, he can. That guy. But if he's got discipline and he can hire the best trainers.

If he really doesn't, and he does have.

And he's tough. If he's actually here today, he's in Austin.

He did the 10:30-12 class and then he's taking, he's taking three two hour privates with Giancarlo, Luke and Marali.

That's so he. Trust what I'm saying.

10:30 until it's like 7 o', clock, you can't notice.

Knock just that.

And he's also been really successful in something else. So he applies that discipline to the.

Not only that, a workload. If he's doing that many hours and he's doing it every day, it's a lot. This is the Gordon Ryan method, right? Your method has always been not just study harder than everybody else, but you don't take days off. That's a giant factor. It's a giant factor. I talk about him all the time. Because that training 365 days a year.

You wouldn't take one day off.

Kind of nuts. No, no, no days off.

I mean if I'm sick or I have staff or my legs hurt, I watch. I'm always there thinking about the sport.

But Joe, my thing with Jake Paul is take all that baggage away. You would still. If this is, if boxing had a, A belt class system, you would still say Jake is a blue belt. With his experience, you wouldn't say he's a black belt. He's not a master of the sport, even though he's dedicated to whatever the last four.

But this goes back to my original point, which is just belts are just. They this belt thing. Like blue belts can beat up black belts now. Yeah, like, you know, it's.

They certainly can if they're strong and they're fast and they got tight technique and the black belt's got a.

So it's like, it's a really good black belt.

There was no blue belts. I don't know what the black belt.

In three and a half years. No. But I also don't have any black belts. Like my standard for a black belt is like so unrealistically hot that I don't even. I don't have a black.

Have you not given A black belt.

No, Eddie had this kid.

I don't have any.

Eddie had this kid that was division one wrestler. I wish I could remember his name because he was a fucking nightmare. Every time I roll, it was so ridiculous. We would do neon belly drills and, you know, you start with neon belly and this dude would throw me off him like I was a pillow. And then when he would get on top of me, neon my belly. I was going nowhere. I was stuck there. We're the same size. We're the same size. He was crazy strong. Now that guy was a blue belt. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, he was just a elite wrestler who. You just show him a few of these things and he already knows how to move his body and control people.

He doesn't know how to do umaplot or a proper handbar.

He didn't. He's terrible off his back.

Yeah, he's good.

He's not a black, but he's also been the wrestling.

He could black belts up. Yeah, he could. Because he could pass your guard. He would smush you. He would give.

But he was a D1 wrestler, right?

He was a D1 wrestler who was.

Was jazz.

He had this, this powerlifting routine that he would do. He would not skip powerlifting workouts. He's like, it's the most important part of my game. It was all clean and that's powerlifting, deadlifts, snatches. It was all. That's all he did to the other end of that.

We've had D1 guys come in to the academy and they get smoked.

That can happen too. That could happen too.

But this is how it goes.

But he was training.

Yeah, there's been blue belts or purple belts that come in get starch, man. It takes a long time to learn.

What I'm saying is that this guy loved mma. Yeah, he was a elite wrestler and he was two years into jiu jitsu, but he was a blue belt.

That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

So he's a blue belt, but years of experience, trouble.

I just gave Jason Alpha's blue belt. Jason Alpha is like having matches with like Renato Canuto. Like, he's like having like, he had matches like Tyra Tolo. Like, he's having like competitive matches.

And did you give him his blue because of experience?

Well, he's like a world class wrestler.

Yeah, like, he's such a.

He's like American wrestling.

Do you. I think this is. I've always said this, but I say it again, that's the Best base. If you could dictate where the fight takes place, that's the most important thing. Look at all the champs. Yeah, all fights start striking, but look what happens to a lot of these guys that have striking. And like, did you see when Chaos Williams fought Gustafson?

Yes.

That Viking dude.

No, he just.

Chaos Williams, his terrifying power. Terrifying. One punch. Punch just has a highlight reel of starching. Guys with one shot, this Viking just got a hold of him and just absolutely ragdolled him for three rounds to the point. Like you felt bad for Chaos. It was a beat beating the out of him. Like, I've never seen anybody beat the out of Chaos. It's grappling. The wrestling is so goddamn important. If you can do that and you can hold a guy and you could dictate where the fight takes place, that's number one. Even if a fight starts standing, it.

Also creates the most champion. It's dangerous.

And, And Gustafson got KO'd earlier today. He got KO'd by that Russian cat I thought was going to be a grappling match.

Alexander, he doesn't have.

No, no, no.

Okay, I'm sorry.

Completely different.

Andreas Gustafson, but his strength is insane. This guy does one armed Barbell snatches with 175 pounds.

That dude, he's like the strongest guy.

Find some video. There's. There's. There's a video compilation of him weightlifting. It's insane. This is him.

Yeah. That's like crazy. Look at how much he got stopped.

Today in the first round.

What does he. What does he fight at?

170.

Oh, my God.

So my point is, at least in the Chaos Williams fights. Good example. The grappling is so goddamn important. It's number one. Number one for sure.

Yeah, Number one for sure.

Dictate where the fight goes, keep on feet, go to the floor.

And if you're fighting for 20 years, like, you take so much less damage than a striker. That's the thing no one talks about. It's like, look how much damage like a, like a Khabib took in his career versus.

But that's why I always say got.

Got touched four or five times his whole career.

But, but that's why I say it's always way more impressive what Izzy's done, what Alex has done. When they're strikers and they, They're. They don't have an option to grapple and you know they're going to keep it on the feet and they get to that championship level, that level of difficulty is so much higher. Than what Khabib or these other grapplers are doing. Doing. Because you know, they're not. They're only gonna do one thing right. Just gonna.

Like, that's what I'm saying. Alex. Alex is all they're gonna do.

They're gonna knock you out.

Yeah.

They have no other other way to win that. That's all they're gonna do. Well, championship level.

He was the guy I was the most excited about when he came over from glory, because I'm talking about him. I was like, dude, you gotta. You gotta watch this starch.

Everybody and glory, man.

I just always knew. You always remember from gyms, right? There's always. There's always a guy in the gym that you're like, how are you doing that? Like, how are you hitting everybody so hard? Like, how are you eating? There's guys, you'd watch them hit pads. You're like, okay, what the are you doing different than everybody else?

That's Pereira.

You see him hit things. It's like, you see him right hook that punch machine. You know that punch machine. He got 190 with his right hand. His left hand's his power hand.

Dude. Dude, my.

My left hand was hurt, so he threw a right.

God. Mike Brown said that about Dustin Poirier. He said Dustin Poirier knocks guys out all the time.

Docent Perry is a terrific puncher. Absolutely. But Pereira is a different thing, man. He's like a one in a million guy.

Really?

The power this guy has is one in a million. It's nuts.

And it's.

He's built like a praying man.

He's built different. He's built like a alien man.

He's built this high. It starts in the middle of his back.

He is a legitimate Amazon warrior. Like a absolute legit Amazon warrior. His family comes from an Amazonian tribe.

Oh, my God.

So he. The power, this guy.

You see his sister?

Oh, yeah, sister's knocking out too. She's good, man. And technically this when he knocked out Izzy the first time, dude, wow. Terrifying puncher. And then by the time he got to glory, he went up from 85 and put some masks on. And that's when he started people up. When he was a two time Glory champion in 85 and 205.

God, did they fast track him. LFA starts some dude. They put him right in the UFC.

Right in the UFC. Starch starches, Michalitis with that flying knee. Oh, my goodness. And then Starch is Sean Strickland. And then he had that one fight where Bruno Silva made the. That dude. I forget who he's fighting. That. That guy. There's so many guys in here. Like, he fought Jason Wilness and head kicked him. Him and then flying. Need him in the head. Jason Willis, a world champion dude. Like an elite world champion. I know they have to have that. This is him against Dustin Jacoby. Watch that left hook. One more time, One more time. That is crazy power, dude. Look at that power. God, it's just different, man. There's every now and then a guy. You'll see a guy hit the bag, you'll see a guy hit pads. You see a guy punch someone in the ring, you're like, what is he doing different? That's Pereira. Like maybe the best example in kickboxing I've ever seen, because everybody knocks guys out. They're all killer strikers. Right. But his was different. There was a finality to what he did to people. Look at that.

Oh, my God.

Yeah.

Jesus, bro.

And these are big ass gloves, right?

Yeah.

These aren't MMA. No, no, no, no. They're 10. Yeah. They're tens. But then also, those also world class strikers.

He's not.

Yeah, this is Jason Wilness.

Oh, my God.

Flying knee.

Those are world class guys.

Brian just will miss a world champion dude. He head kicked him first and then he flying kneed him out. God, bro.

Yeah, he's not doing this again.

So no grappling. I mean, he had zero grappling and in fact, he had one MMA fight. He got taken down a rear naked choked. So that guy got taken down a rear naked choke, which highlights how important Grappling is.

Yeah, 100%.

Then he hooks up with Glover. So that was the biggest big thing Glover to share. Teaches him how to wrestle at least a little bit. Teaches. And then slowly, over time, you see it getting better and better inside the.

Octagon takedown defense, standing up, all that stuff.

But then you get to a certain point where there's not. I don't give a if Gordon's teaching. Whatever. There's not enough hours in the day to make up that gap. When you get to a certain level at the ufc, like for ddp, there's nothing we can do for him to beat Hamzat.

There's not enough time in his life to be Hamzat and Ra Wrestling.

He's not 21 years old.

We're like, not even to get Russians in there. And they're like, this is what you got.

He can definitely get better. Yeah, no doubt he can get better, but Hamza is extraordinary.

Yeah. He is.

He's extraordinary.

He said it wasn't his strength.

He said, you think you can, Gordon?

Yeah, I think. I think it's.

It's possible. I have to pee before I watch this fight, because I'm excited about this.

I think one of the worst backgrounds to get into with mma, unfortunately, is Jiu Jitsu with no wrestling and no strike. Striking. Yeah, I think it's the worst.

The worst because you have no ability to dictate where the. Where the fight goes.

Yep.

So if you. If there's also an agreed upon unspoken rule in Jiu Jitsu where one guy plays top, one guy plays bottom.

Correct.

Right.

And the way that the point system is set up in Jiu Jitsu is that the guy on bottom stays on bottom. The guy on top tries to pass. So there's a.

They're showing a Hamza highlight. Really? Here? Now? No, no, it's okay. So go ahead, keep going.

So it's usually. It's usually the guy on top is patty cake, patty cake, Patty cake. Opportunity passes, scores, backs away. Patty cake, patty cake, passes, scores. So Jiu Jitsu guys never actually focus on holding anyone down, which is why when they actually go fight people, they just have zero ability to keep them in bottom position. And if you look at the finishers, like, people are. People are minimalists in Jiu Jitsu. Whereas the ideal for Jiu Jitsu is a maximalist. Like, you do the minimum amount of work to win, so they pat a cake. Pat a cake. So I control three points, and they stall for the rest of the match. Whereas. Whereas if you actually go in and you look at guys who actually work towards finality, then you have guys who are actually good finishers. And so if you just combine all this, like, even Hidalfa versus that guy, Fluffy is his nickname. Like, he got to good positions. Like, he mounted him, he took his back multiple times, but he spent his whole career just winning on points. So when he actually went to finish him, like, there's, like. It's just. You don't have them.

Isn't that fascinating that the rule set kind of. It really kind of ruined a lot of what made Jiu Jitsu important. Yeah, the rule set.

The number one thing that no one talks about in my career, which separates me, is the fact that when I put people in bottom position, no one ever stands up. And if they do stand up, they've used so much energy standing up that I wasn't even worth it to stand up in the first place. Like, everyone that I fight knows by Passing is so good, and they know my pins are so good. Like, I know if they. If I get chess to chest and half guard and pass them, I'm gonna finish them. So everyone's like, I'm fucking getting up. Like, I spent. Like, I fought Andre, I fought Yuri, I fought all these guys. Like, no one. Everyone knows if I'm in bottom position, I'm gonna get my guard pass, and if I get my guard pass, I'm gonna finish. So, like, I need to get up like my life depends on it. And nobody even gets close. And so, like, and.

And if they do, it sounds like bragging, but that's 100% true.

Like. Like, Like I fought back there. Like, you there. Like, Wagner tried his absolute horse to stand up when he was fresh. And just if you look at, he fought everybody else, fought Craig, fought everyone else. He just kicks away, kicks in the hips. He fought mma, kicks in the hip, stands up and he's back up. And so it doesn't allow you keep pressure over time. I just put him on bottom, and they just never got away. And then the one time he did get away, it was so late in the match, he was so exhausted that I just let him up and then I just put him back in bottom position. So no one talks about the fact that I can hold people down, but the number one issue with classical jujitsu guys is that they never spend any time holding people down. So when they. First of all, they can't take them down. And if they do get on top, the guy just stands up.

Yeah.

Yeah. And also no striking at all. So going into it with that, going into MMA with no ability to take guy down, no real experience in holding guys down and then. And not finish.

So even if you even. You jump guard, for example, and you're in bottom because you never spent your time actually working on, like, submission finishing mechanics, right? This guy, you can't even finish them from bottom position.

Guys who win Jiu Jitsu tournaments don't even attempt a submission. Yeah, they just get mount.

So if you're on top, which is unlikely because you can't take the guy down, it's. It's unlikely you're gonna hold top position. And even if you are in bottom position, you're not dangerous enough to. Dangerous enough to actually finish the guy. So it's like classical Jiu jitsu is just getting phased out, and we call it scrimmage wrestling. What the Dagestani guys are doing is going to be phased in. Like, they just.

I like how someone was Mocking you about scrimmage wrestling. And then it got used on it by Nikki.

Like, I'm not. I'm not denying it's wrestling. Wrestling. It's just a different kind of wrestling. And if you look at every historical piece of information, like you look at Aaron Pico, took the guy down. He's amazing. You know, classical American wrestler couldn't hold him down.

Yeah.

And then Hamza was like, the next match, he takes the guy down, rides in the hole. Like, had 23 minutes on top. The only reason he didn't have, like, a full. Almost 25 minutes was because he got stood up. Like, you know, midway through one of the rounds. I think it was, like, 23 minutes of control.

Time. Time.

Like, I'm not saying it's not wrestling. It's just a different kind of wrestling.

When you teach jiu jitsu, like, when you start with somebody, do you start from. What is the. What is the system? How do you start? Are they on the bottom first?

But wait, before you get to that, this. The scrimmage wrestling thing, what I was getting to is, like, somebody was mocking that. I was like, why are you mocking a term? Like, why are you trying to pretend he doesn't know what he's talking about? Like, it seems crazy, but then the exact same thing got done to him.

Yeah, correct.

He was.

He was like, oh, like, got done.

To him in a match with Nikki.

Rod, that's hilarious.

It's like everyone. Everyone just thinks you could just come in as a collegiate or freestyle wrestler and dominate, and that's just not the way. Like, there's. There's so many things in wrestling that work perfectly. There's so many things that don't work at all. There's so many things that don't make sense to do, like a fireman's carry. Like, you hit a fireman's carry, next thing you know, the guy's in a crucifix on you.

Right.

Or he has your back, or you're in a triangle.

Do you remember when Big Daddy Goodrich fought Paul Herrera? Paul Herrera took him down, got him in a fireman's carry. And Big Daddy Goodrich, Ridge, locked his legs up, locked his arm up and elbowed him.

That was.

Yeah.

Oh, I remember.

150 million times in the head. It was crazy.

So never do a fireman's carry. That.

It was back when there was. It was. Here it is. Look at this. Watch this. This is back when there's no tapping either. Look at this.

Oh, my God. I remember this. He was out right away.

The referee should have stopped this 80 elbows ago.

I mean, he's dead.

And by the way, stop, bro. Did a little extra here, but they added extra to it. Did they add it? It says 50 elbows there. It repeats itself here. Like, it just. It's a loop. But what is the actual number? Let's see if we can find the actual. Just try. Find big daddy. Good. Oh, we're watching Mauricio, Rufy, and St. Denis. It's already started.

These are nice.

Oh, Roofy just popped in with a jab.

These comedy mothership cigars are nice, Bubba.

Yeah, it's a foundation cigar. Shout out to them.

He's like, now's this. Now this connection, like, take down scores.

Nothing.

Can he actually hold him down from this position?

Well, St. Denis is pretty good at holding guys down. Down. I mean, clearly not on your level of it, but he does have a very pressure.

And so you look like Ruffy didn't even try. He just accepted bottom position. So it was like. There was like. There's no. Like, now he's trying to get up, but he's already got his guy.

It's a great game plan by.

Oh, Sydney. This is huge for him. Full mount already.

He's a question, guys. Cardio wears ass out early.

Look at that. He's going for the arm triangle. He's going hard for it. Look at this.

And if you look at the pace.

Oh, my God.

I think he's gonna get it.

It's called leche de Pa. Padre, bro.

Look. Does it.

That's father's milk.

Really?

You just bury him. Bury him into his.

I thought that was when you smother a guy.

Yeah, that's what. That's what it looks like he's doing.

Well, no, this is arm triangle. He's. He's isolating the right arm.

What do you do? Come out in a single leg, double leg.

A double double legs to waist. Up to a. Up to a body.

Mauricio's almost up.

Nope, he's got to lock the triangle.

Oh, he's got his back now.

Power half or he's going to get to taken up.

Jesus.

This is terrible for Roofy.

He should have went power half.

Now you can stand up. Just stand up, Bubba.

What did he do? Instead of power half, what did he.

He just. He stayed with two hands over the shoulders, and then the guy just kind of misaligned the body.

Okay, now, so see, like, he had.

A takedown, and he. He couldn't hold him down.

Right.

And now they're back at their feet. And Rufy's dangerous at a distance.

Distance.

Dude, look at that. Nice. Knee to the body.

He's dangerous.

Nice.

Do you know how mentally fatiguing it is to put a guy down and not be able to do any damage? And then it's not just physical. It's like mental. It's like, I put these guy down and then he got up on me and I couldn't do anything to him.

He's like some special forces French guy.

Yeah.

What is his exact military. Like what did what his experience?

Whatever their Delta team is over there.

Is that what he is? Is.

Oh, he's one of those guys.

Their version of it. Yeah.

But there's like, French are no joke.

He's no. This dude's no joke. He's an intense. He was thanking America for helping France in World War II in one of his post fight speeches.

Jesus.

Like, I love America. You helped us in World War II. Like, crowd's like, what this guy?

So he's got his back again.

He's got a French army.

He's got him down again.

Yeah.

So far this is not a good round for Roofy. So now we know about roofies grappling. Because what we've seen from him is just. Well, also St. Denis is a beast.

He's a beast.

He's a beast.

Now.

Now, look at that. Full mount again.

Survive this.

Arm triangle.

Arm triangle by BDS Gordon.

Do you guys start with like the traditional guard triangle or do you start.

So what. What kind of athlete am I trying to build?

Elite Brian.

Count Brian. Yeah.

Yeah.

If I'm trying to build an athlete from the ground up.

Yeah.

And I have time to work with him. I always start them in bottom position.

Right on his back.

Bottom position is the hard is the hardest to learn.

Right.

Most people start standing. Standing is actually the last thing I teach them.

Really?

I start.

Yeah.

Because if you can get good submissions and get off balances from bottom position, Good guard retention and good escapes. Pin and submission escapes. Those are the first things that I do.

More guys asking to come in the camp.

He's. He's yelling at something. He's complaining about something. Roofy is complaining about something.

He's holding the glove.

So he's holding something. Yeah, he's holding shorts.

Hamzad asked me to train. Like in Newport. No, he was in. I was in Sweden. I'm like, I'm not going to Sweden right now.

He does camps in Newport. That's. Yeah, it's not too bad for you.

Yeah. Okay.

So if you train hard, it'll be great.

He had his hands in his shorts.

Yeah.

He can't be doing that.

He's holding on to the shorts, I think. Is that what he's saying, Jamie?

Hopefully he's grabbing his dick.

Hopefully he's crap. That was a fight once with Big Daddy. Good. Rich as well. He fought this dude the Pedro, and he reached his hand into the guy's junk and crushed his nuts.

No.

Yes, he did. It was legal, too, in Brazil. In Brazil, yeah. There was no rules back then. He reached his hand and crushed the man's balls. How bad do you want to win?

Oh, God. Is it true that is this is just a. Is this. Or when TD Dreck is dupless? He had his finger in Kamzat's ass. Is that true or comes out.

Ryan's on tick tock a lot. I'm sorry, guys.

Excuse my friend.

Okay, here we go.

That out. Edit that out.

50 seconds left. Swinging. But he's got to be so exhausted now. And now he knows he can't get taken down.

Yeah.

Never seen Roofie like this before, man. This is interesting.

Let's post him like this.

Well, I mean, you got to think of the guys that Sun Den has fought, too. He just fought Dustin Poirier.

Oh, yeah.

Strength of schedule. St. Denise, way higher.

Hanato Moicano. Yep. He's fought some pretty elite guys.

He lost in my kind of right.

Yep. Yeah, he got beat up.

But you see, like, even this, like, when you're standing, there's so much less that has to go wrong for a good guy to get beaten by a guy who's not, who's much lesser. Like, when you're grappling someone, so much has to go wrong in order to lose a guy who's right, who's worse than you. So, like, if he. If he took him down in the first 30 seconds of the round and he remained in top position, like Bris Rode fighting him, there would have been like, almost zero danger in the round, which is like what Khabib and Hamza do, right?

Whereas in this guy, that last 50 seconds here, you get knocked out versus if you.

If you're on the ground, you gotta. There's a lot of that has to go wrong to get.

Yeah, especially when you're tired. That's the thing. It's like you have to make choices. Do I move now? Am I too tired to explode out of the way? I see him winding up, so I try to duck. Like, what do I try? You don't have that. Like, When a Tomo fought Dillian White, right. The in and out footwork after something like that, that shit's gone.

Right.

So you can't really get out of the way. Yeah.

Like, let's. Even if I don't finish him, let's drain this gas tank. So his footwork's not as good, so he's not as dangerous on the feet. But this is such a good test for Hoofy because he really hasn't beat those high caliber guys yet. It's such a good test.

Here's a real question. Do you think that with guys like Merab and then Fluffy as well, but maybe to a slightly less lesser extent, do you think what they're showing is that just like some people can do those 100 mile races, they're like Goggins and Cam Haynes does and that we think that a marathon is hard, but it's just because that's all you train for. But guys like Cam do a marathon literally every day. Yeah, it is just. You got to go past where you think the boundary is. And a guy like Merab can keep that kind of pace up for five minutes because he's in that 100, 100 mile running.

Yes.

You know what I mean?

It's like, is he genetically gifted where he can do that, or is it just all mental?

He says not. He says he used to know any better. That's true.

They say that like Prefontaine. Those guys have harder bones in their feet and stuff like that.

Well, that's also from use, though. Yeah, that's from use. That's the same kind of thing. Yeah. You get that from kickboxers.

Yeah.

You get that from weight lifters.

Oh, because Saint Denis. I'm sorry, I'm gonna say it. It. His hands are down. A lot of times. He's close.

Oh, he just got elbowed, man. He got elbowed hard. Well, he's tired.

He does get reckless.

Well, he's a very violent man.

Yeah. Yeah.

But here he got him down again. He's got him down again.

He's down to train.

He's got it.

He's right.

He's down to train.

Oh, Roofy reversed him. Oh, this is huge. That means he's tired.

That's what I was talking about. Scrimmaging. Yeah, like roof. He was just like, I'm not accepting. And every previous takedown, he's like, I'm accepting the bottom position. This time he was like, I'm not getting put on bottom. And he just kept moving until he was in top position.

And now he's going to let him stand up every time this happens.

Oh, boy.

Ben was in more and more trouble.

Y.

He's just got to be clean here and just don't get wild.

His. His. He's kicking with his hands.

Between these guys and a guy like khabib.

Yeah. Yes.

St. Denis tried to take him down in the first round and tried to finish him in the first round. So he had more, more submission attempts and more. He worked towards submission a lot more than like a guy like a Khabib would, but now he's a lot more tired. Like Khabib and Hamzat spend the first, like if it's a five round fight, the first like two to three rounds just riding the guy like, there's no submission attempts. Their sole focus is keep the guy down, control him, make him carry body.

Weight, you know, See, this is the thing. If you get to like £155 and you're a striker, you know, that is at the weight where like most these guys can knock each other the out. Like if this guy fought Iliad Toporia, he'd get knocked the out, right? And. Or he could knock Ilia to the out. Like, it's so tight. When you're at like a championship level and you're. You're that fast and hit that hard, that's a wild game. What, what you're saying, Gordon, is like, it's, it's so important for people to hear because that is the clearest pathway to success. Like complete control on the ground. It's the least amount of damage you take.

It's safest post career, correct?

Yes. S. Look at this, look at this.

That's tired too.

Look at this.

That's not fun. How much time? Two and a half minutes.

Oh, that he's got to pull the hand down. If he pulls the head down underneath.

His chin, he's battling it. Oh, that is close though, Jack. Oh, he's putting the squeeze on the jaw.

That's got. That's just.

Oh, if he starts turning.

Oh, he taps, he taps.

Wow.

Benoit St. Denis. That is the biggest win of his career.

Yep. Oh, my.

Right.

In France.

Yeah. That's a huge win. Fork in the road, that is.

That's the first loss for the fighting nerds.

Yeah, and that's a big one, man. That's a big one because Roofy was the name ninja. You know, Roofy was the guy that hit Bobby Green with that wheel kick. And Roofy was the one. Yeah, he's. He's got to be Feeling it right now. I mean, that's his boy.

And then his. And then the captain of the nerds is fighting the main event.

Then why just starts shooting at the ground?

He could have turned out because he was actually wedged against the fence, so he wouldn't have been able to follow him.

Who's a beast, bro?

That dude's a beast for him.

Good for him.

Yeah, he's a beast. And the thing is, it's like he didn't get deterred from his losses. He either, you know, he gets beat up on Waikano. Didn't get deterred. Beat up by. By Dustin Poirier.

Those. Then he wins that last one. That last one. He didn't look great.

Strong mind look great today.

I took it on short notice to.

Do that to Roofy. That's big, man. That's big for him. I wonder.

Well, maybe we don't know how good Roofie is, you know.

Yeah, well, we know how good he is standing, you know. Yeah, he just got submitted sending.

He was working on his wrestling a lot, I think here.

Well, he's. He started. His background was judo.

Yeah.

Initially his grappling.

Really good grappling the game, you know, not fighting MMA that long. He's only been fighting MMA for a few years.

Wow. Really?

Oh, yeah.

Damn.

And really didn't start striking until later.

God.

Yeah, he's kind of a freak, man. I asked him in a post. Post fight speech, I said like, how did you get so good so quick? Like I thought maybe like he'd have some insight. I don't think he understood what I was saying, but he's. That is kind of remarkable, uniquely violent man.

Yeah.

You know, he's used to violence.

Yeah. It's a different like level of understanding of violence. Yeah, but what did you pulled up his background, Jamie? What is his back. Look at. He's shooting people. Look at this. And cutting throats.

He's no joke.

I'll you up first Marine Infantry Paratroopers Regiment unit of the French Army Special Forces Command. He served as a special French Special Air Service operator in Mali during the war and more generally in West Africa fighting terrorists groups.

That's an elite. Right. Fighting terrorist Boko Haram and stuff.

Terrorist groups in West Africa.

Right.

Yeah.

So that's why he's so violent.

Yeah.

So he. And he's only started in 2017. He walked on gym.

Well, I think he had a judo career before that, though. This is. I think he did judo first. Right. When he was younger, didn't he? Does it say Anything before that? That, yeah. Practice judo. Yeah.

At a good level.

His mother was a teacher. His father was a French army officer. Practice judo. So he trained in judo in France and Germany. Okay. Yeah, yeah. At the age of 8 and learned a black belt. Doesn't say at the age of 8 he got a black belt. It said he beginning at the age of eight and then he earned his black belt. He played football and rugby in his youth, so he's a beast.

It means violence.

Soccer.

When they say football.

He's been moving his body on a high level for a long time.

Yeah. Violent dude. Rugby.

He also killing dudes in West Africa.

Killing dudes in West Africa.

Yeah. If you're a SAS guy like that. You were doing that.

Yeah. He looks like it. Like, when you talk to him, you.

Know, it's a very different consideration also, by the way, when you're in wartime like that, you're not as nervous. You don't expend a lot of energy, you know, with the nerves beforehand. You have more energy.

Well, it's like what you've seen is so much worse than what you're about to do. Right. You're just going to go into a fight.

Yeah.

And it's probably the only job that you can do in, you know, an actual combat, which gets you fc. You're like. Yeah, it's whatever.

Yeah.

Like, name another job you can do where it's going to get you ready. Like that.

Yeah.

Everything's a step down. Nothing. Nothing.

Yeah. That's the only thing that's going to make you calm. Having survived war and then fighting in the Octagon is cakewalk.

Yep. Especially to make it in that elite division.

Well, think about what Francis went through, you know, Think about what that guy went through.

Didn't he walk through the desert?

Walk through. Those are like seven times, dude. They kept arresting him and bringing him back to the desert. Yeah. They try to. They literally try to kill you.

Yeah.

They try to take you when they capture you. Morocco. And then drop you off deep in the desert. And then every time you get a ride back. God, he did it seven times over, like a long time. Like over a year, year, a year and a half or something. As a homeless person.

There's not gonna be Morocco.

No, no.

He's been through the desert face.

He was living outside with, like a tarp. And then when he got to France, he told me he was living in a parking garage. He was sleeping in a parking garage. You can't compete.

How about his luck, right? His son passes away which is unthinkable. Horrible. And then he's riding a motorcycle, hits a young lady. She passes away. Yeah, it's terrible.

Horrible. It's so scary. But it's like, think about what that guy's been through. And then like, what. What is a fight for him, you know?

Yeah.

But even he. After the steep Aocic fight, he was kind of up in the head and like, when he fought Derek Lewis, like barely engaged.

Y.

We thought that fight was going to be chaos.

We were like, here we go.

We were like, this one's going to be chaos.

I think my prediction was this won't go past two men.

It.

Yeah, I thought it was gonna be hammered.

That was in the modern day Houston, Alexander and Kimbo.

Yeah, right.

That's right.

Yeah, that was a. A very disappointing fight. But then he came back after and started starching fools again.

Yeah.

Who did he knock out first? Was it Junior or Kane?

Junior, right?

Junior Dos Santos. Yeah, he. He beat the brakes off of Junior and then he KO'd Kane.

Well, Kane's leg.

And he KO.

Did he hit him first and then Kane's leg went or did Kane's leg go and then get hit?

I think he hit him with an uppercut and his. And Kane had some knee problems for quite a while.

Yeah.

You know, I mean, Kane's body kind of like was not strong enough for his mind.

Well, his. His wasn't his spine in a cage. Wasn't his spine in a cage.

I think they had to do some crazy surgery on him.

But the most important right now.

He had a butt. Yeah.

They posted a picture of him. You know, he has a gray beard. He looks. No.

How long is he in prison for?

Supposed to get on. I want to say January.

It's crazy that they made him go to jail at all and any more than he already went.

Yeah, it's just because he was.

I mean, he shot the wrong guy, right?

Yeah.

Shot the. The stepdad, who's also a creep, but he was firing the gun into the public places like on the highway. So it was going into.

Can't really do that. Can't have that.

So that's where they got it.

Can't have that.

Yeah, that's a bad idea. You don't want to encourage that.

Also, if I'm Kane, I have his skill set. A gun, dude. Don't you to want. Want to hurt this dude with your bare hands?

I think you wanted to kill him.

Yeah. Do it with your hands.

I mean, at least planning a little better.

Yeah.

Like if he Planned that a little better. They may. He may have gotten off.

I think it was rage. I think he found out and he just went, I'm gonna go kill this guy.

So, yeah, for sure. I mean, how could you not have that kind of.

Understand, I get it. But he didn't kill the guy, and now he's in jail, so it's.

Yeah, I know. That's true. And the guy got out before Kane did. The guy was out in the street before Kane was.

Like, if you're gonna kill the guy.

Put him in the same cell block as Kane. Here's your new roommate. Enjoy.

This guy like that has to be.

In protective custody, right? They'd have to hide him.

Yeah.

You touch kids?

Yeah, yeah. You touch kids, they want to get you.

But even when he gets out, he's out now. He has to go into hiding, the street to get him. Especially Kane, the way he's connected. Good luck, bud. Enjoy the rest of your life, you creep. Yeah, it's a horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible story.

I don't think he should ever get out.

But so Kane back to his physical issues. Like, he had, like, shoulder problems, knee problems, back problems, neck problems. And it's just like that guy trained so hard.

All those boys did. D.C. khabib, Rockhold.

They used to go full, too.

They were so good, too. Such a lion's den.

Yeah.

You know, such a young Makachev was there. Like, they're monsters, man.

Yeah. Yeah.

And if you just think about, like, Kane in his prime, though, like when he beat nog.

Best heavyweight ever.

I think one of them. The. The real travesty is that we never got to see Kane vs. Fedor in their prime. Yeah, that was the real travesty. That would have been the fight. You know, that is. You know, that's. That's the. That's like the fight. That's the one where you go, yeah, if there was one fight I could have made, yeah, that would have been it. Kane in his prime versus Fedor in his prime. Because their primes overlap too.

Well.

Fedor's kind of towards the end, though, but he's still good.

He was still pretty good when Kane was. When Kane was coming up and Kane became the champ, Fedor was still fading.

How would Fader do now, you think?

But he's, you know, in. Oh, if he's is young. Young. Fader's gonna. People up in any generation right now.

You look at the midweight division, like you have Asimov. There's a female drop off. Like the heavyweight's never Been, however, we.

Don'T even know how good Aspinall is. Like every fight he's had.

And the poor guy, the poor. He just became champion at the wrong time. There's just nothing for him to prove himself.

He's also so much bigger, like a guy like Aspinall is. His frame is so much bigger than Fedor's, I think, right?

He's five big guys.

Yeah.

He'S a lot bigger.

65 or something.

He's a lot bigger. But Fedor was a special fighter. He was special too. You need to watch like his defense. Pro cop. You ever see the cop?

They're both in the prime.

He was throw. Was throwing those power high kicks and he would lift his knee all the way up here and catch it. He was catching a lot of the body kicks on his knee. God, he was. His defense in that fight was amazing. It was a. Somebody made a compilation of Fedor's defense that fight. Like when Crocop hits him with a body kick, he takes out his. His supporting leg. He was so good in his. And he could submit guys like that to. He'd catch arm bars out of nowhere. Like he had a fully multifaceted game.

So insane.

Probably the best, so explosive too.

The best guy in the heavyweight division ever that could do that. That can transition from a knockout blow to a triangle choke or an arm bar, just like that. He, like when he catches arm bars, he would catch them. Boom. They were so fast. So fast. He was probably the best heavyweight ever of them that. Don't you think?

Yeah.

The guys who do both of those things, like lightning with lightning speed. He was so good, dude. Those Nogaria fights, oh, my God. That was when Noguera was in prime, son. Nogara was in his prime. And Fedor just could not be denied. His ground and pound was terrifying.

The best. Yeah, the best.

He was. Remember, he fought. He fought Orlovsky, who. Who was training with Freddie Roach.

An affliction.

Boxing was great. And then Fedor just caught him, man.

No, Arlovski was winning that fight.

He tried to fight. I know, I know. And he was a God, bro.

He caught him in the air with a picture perfect right hand.

And he'd walk out like he just finished playing cards. Wasn't even warmed up. He just walk out like, I just finished playing cards. I'm gonna. I'm gonna beat this guy.

Even in mid battle, dude, his expression would never change.

Never change.

You've seen that doing slow motion when Kevin Randleman's throwing him on his head.

Like Cat eye, just relaxed. Minute.

Yeah.

Been here before, never freaked out. And then within a minute, he come over and.

Isn't it weird his brother just wasn't as good? No, his brother was a wild.

Killing people.

But.

Yeah, his brother had better tattoo.

His brother was connected.

His brother had tattoo of the Grim Reaper holding the baby.

Yeah. Yo, did you ever see that? Yeah, yeah. Yo, bro.

Bro, that guy's in some dark.

Scary.

Yeah, there was a lot of dark tattoos. That dude hut.

Yeah, he was scary suspect.

Remember when he fought James Thompson? James Thompson came out. James Thompson an animal. He came out Raw and Emilian Echo just picked him apart. There was another big Brazilian cat, too. Remember that other dude that he flatlined in a similar way? Big Brazilian guy who was a heavyweight.

I know he's.

Remember that.

I don't know his name, but yeah.

He flatlined that guy, too.

Watching what it takes, what he does.

Now, I think he was in legal trouble.

Who. Who is this Alexander?

Emilian Echo, Fatal's brother apparently is a.

While he had some trouble.

He's a wild fella.

He served some time.

I think Fedor's super close to Putin. Oh, yeah, yeah. He probably calls him. He's like, hey, my brother up again. Is there any way maybe.

I don't know. Because that Chechen guy was mad at him once Cardiov. Yeah, he was mad because Fedor criticized them having young kids fight each other.

Oh, interesting. He got his belt and flew back to Chechnya, gave that warload the belt, and he was wearing it like, he was like, thanks, dude, and kept it.

Yeah, yeah. That guy's been sanctioned by, like, more countries than any other ruler. Like, he's not.

He's got a wild guy to be friends with.

Yeah, yeah. I would imagine, like the biggest mafia lord.

Did you ever see him in Hamza Roll?

No. Oh, yes, I have. Yeah, I did.

I did.

I did. I did, bro.

How about Hamza and Saruki and rolling?

Yeah.

Very good.

That's the guy that Tori is going to have all his. All the problems with. All the problems.

Yeah. Sukan.

It's his toughest fight.

That's his toughest.

Well, Sukan, he'll still be favored, though.

Really, really favored.

I know he is.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Toria will be.

Yes.

He's got two erasers. Yeah, yeah, he's got two erasers.

And he grew up wrestling.

Yeah. Surrogy can also strike, though, in his wrestling.

Oh, not like Toperia.

His striking is pretty good.

His striking is good.

Not as nobody on this plant would say. It's as good as Toperius, I think. I think we can get his problems.

Yeah. Would you put your money on. On Toporia though, in that fight?

I wouldn't put money on that fight.

I think. Listen. Turkey knocks people out. He's very good striker. But what Toporia has is that weird pat power.

Yeah.

The same thing we were talking about Pereira. He's got that weird power.

He does get hit though. That. But he's.

He does get hit. But he wants to get hit. He wants to throw himself in there so he can get those counters off because he knows when his land. So in that sense, you haven't seen those kind of fight. Look, he stopped three legends in a row.

Legends.

Legends in a row.

Max Holloway's never been knocked out.

It's one of the greatest three fight wins, I think.

So I would. I would probably say wrestling will get the job done.

We're not talking about.

And it might be a boring fight.

We're not talking about wrestling though, dude.

To go from striking, to go from knocking out Volkanovsky to knocking out Max Holloway to knocking out Oliveira, that is the greatest three fight win streak in the history of sport. Kos. All flatlines. That's different.

Yeah.

But Sarukian doesn't get hit a lot. He's a really good wrestler. Transition is big for the weight class.

Yes.

Which is probably why they up in the last one when he got pulled from the fight.

That's right.

Because he's probably cutting too much weight.

But the knock on circuit would be when he fought Charles Oliveira who Topir just starched.

Yeah.

Is if that was a five round fight, he probably would have lost it.

Interesting.

Look at this.

But Surrogate's definitely as tough as slow mo.

Ko.

Oh my God.

Yeah.

Twice. Oh, bro.

Like nobody's ever done that to Olvero like that at 55.

5.

The last time he got KO'd like that was Cub Swanson. Probably old school. Remember that? Yeah, that's right. There was a time where Charlie Olivero was just not all in. He just wasn't like fully focused.

He had like quit in them. I thought once you show signs of quit, you're. He found it somewhere else.

He found it. Yeah.

Interesting. Like psychological study. Most. Most guys that. At that level that quit like that overtly like don't make it, it never comes back.

He's the one guy, he turned it around and I held it against him forever.

Everybody.

I never picked him once. I know a guy has quit in them, I'm like, I'm out I never picked him. And then he kept proving me wrong.

Yeah, yeah. He's an extraordinary case. Very unusual case. So. So Rukian and Taboria would be the fight. But the thing is, like, I almost think the general public doesn't know enough about Soroki.

That's. That's true.

I almost would say, like, listen, listen, you up. You didn't make weight. You're probably a little too big, fella. Why don't we give you one more contender? They did that, put on a show.

They're giving them a fight, so they're not giving. I think it's Hooker. That's a good one.

Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one.

Is, is.

That's a good one. Hooker's a dangerous guy. Is this gonna be a five rounder?

I don't know.

Who is Hooker? Hooker will take you into some deep water. Yeah, that Hooker Poirier fight. That's an all time classic.

Crazy.

That was a classic five round main event.

Oh, there it is.

Ufc Qatar Guitar is bringing that loot.

Damn. What is Hooker ranked right now?

He's in the top 10, I believe. What is Dan Hooker.

I'm actually kind of surprised.

What is Dan Hooker ranked? He's another one of those dudes.

It's just like he's my ctv.

He's a dog.

He just wants to fight. He's a guy who do bare knuckle.

Yeah.

He'll do anything. Yeah, he's down for whatever he got the win over. That was a great fight. Yeah. He was scheduled to fight Justin Gaii early this year before withdrawing due to hand injury.

Yeah, he hurt his hand, remember, Pulled out.

Yeah, that's right. He's a dog.

I watched that Strickland fight with. With imov.

Yeah.

Wow. Rock and sock him robot.

Strickland melts, guys.

He.

Dude, he puts a pace on guys.

I love the way he fights.

He constantly puts pressure on you and he's constantly got you moving backwards, hard to hit, slips. You know, all that, what Gordon is talking about with grappling. Strickland employs a lot of that same sort of strategy with the striking. Like he keeps you backing up all the time. Yeah, there's a. There's a factor to it. Obviously you. Pereira knocked him out. He's more susceptible. He's not in control of the situation. When you have wild strikes coming your way, but by always having you back up, you're going to get way more tired. Nobody runs backwards.

He's a pressure fighter.

Yes, it's right.

Yeah, it's where he's a pressure fighter, but he doesn't have the power, you know, like, he's a pressure fighter. He creates volume.

But look at Nick. Nick and Nate. Nick and Nate did the same thing. They're not knocking guys out left and right, but they're just constantly walking you.

Down and they have better cardio.

Yeah.

And it's like, the thing is, it's like all he has to do is just keep hitting you at 50%.

Yeah.

If he hits you a lot of 50 and really hard to hit. Man. I was gonna say that shoulder roll thing.

Yeah. I'm surprised he's not taken down more. But his takedown defense, he's way harder.

If you look at. If you look at most of the champions, they have one thing that they're better than almost everybody else in the world at, and they're good, sufficiently good at everything else.

Yes.

Strickland's not better than. Than anybody at anything. Like, he's not the best striker. He's not the best wrestler. He's that. But he just has pressure.

Pressure.

Right.

Like, there's so much. So much can be said for just walking a guy down and putting pressure. Now, obviously, like a guy like Pereira is used to it.

Yeah.

So welcome. He countered him as he was coming in, but like, for most guys, he just walks him down and puts pressure.

Like, dude, Khabib does enough.

Khabib just like literally walks. That guy says shuffle. Like, look at the Khabib versus Edson Barboza. Like, he knew that Edson wanted to keep him at range to kick him, so he literally. He literally just walked at him so that Edson couldn't shuffle back fast enough. And he was 100. Exhausted. Like inside of a round there too.

Yeah.

This is. This is exciting.

It's very exciting. I spent a lot of pressure on imamv.

Yeah.

Fighting in France.

Well.

And plus, you know, if you put on a good performance, you fight for the title.

Yeah. You're next.

Like, Dana didn't commit because he's. It's basically a four man middleweight tournament. So Dana's not committing, so he's letting.

Them put on a show.

He's saying, who wants it more?

Right. He's a big.

You do it by decision, which most. These guys aren't finishers. These two aren't.

Well, him knocking out Adesanya, like, that was crazy. I did not expect that. I thought that was going to be a close fight.

He's every bit of 6, 3. He's a big boy. Did I watch the contender for the first time. I never watched that. Best fight show on tv, so great.

You've never seen it before?

I never have.

It trumps Ultimate Fighter. I'm close.

Did you see it? My boy, Jean Paul Lebozniani got in there, and his dad had been training him for that ever. I know his dad had been training since he was 7 there. There's video of him doing it, and. And just to watch that kid, he wanted to do everything else. His dad goes, no, you're gonna. You're gonna wrestle, and you're gonna fight. And he made it to the ufc. Jiu Jitsu. Sick. We'll see.

Well, this guy's coming into his own. You know, it's like. I think the Strickland fight taught him a lesson. Yeah.

Because it takes so long.

Just put so much pressure on him. And he's got that. He's got a weird style, too, where he throws that teep from the front foot.

Yeah.

Strickland is, like, constantly teeping you and constantly got you moving, and he moves back really well, and punches are thrown on him, and he's got his hands like this.

I want to see Strickland. I'd love to see that fight.

What age do you think fighters typically.

Like, depends what weight class.

Yeah.

Yeah. Well, so. So wild when they're, like, really lightweight and they're still in it.

Like Volkanovski, like, usually after 30 at the lighter weights.

What is this?

Jam disaster?

That's it. They're both n. Right this. So watch this. You see?

Knockout.

Yeah, he won by knockout. But check this out. Jamie, I'm gonna send you a video right now. Can you see that again?

He threw that kick off of the punch. Like, the kick and punch at the same time.

Watch this, Jamie. I'm gonna send you something. See that?

See how he did that?

Came over the top.

Yeah. No, he throws the jab and. Yeah, he threw it over the top, but he did the jab and the kick at the same time. Stylebender does that a lot. Yeah, and he practiced. That's such a slick move.

There's a video of him practicing that move with his dad at 7 years old.

That's nice.

Watch this. Boom.

Oh, my goodness. That's nice.

Yeah, that Contender series is awesome.

It's very good. Yeah. And look how many guys have come out of that and are now fighting in the ufc. So many, dude.

How about that UFC Paramount deal?

Yeah, it's crazy.

Great.

It's a lot of money. What is it, like $7 billion for seven years?

No, it was. Because basically. Is it 7 billion last.

Jamie, what are you doing?

Brian, check this out.

You're in the middle of this.

You know, you don't have to walk over to text him.

Yeah.

Don't you know his number? Airdrop him or some like.

So you see this move? Watch. Watch this. Watch. When he's a kid.

Look at.

He's with his dad. Look at this.

Oh, that's crazy.

Now watch this. Ready? He's doing. Is. This is when he's in first grade now. Boom.

Oh, that's crazy.

How cool is that?

Well, those guys that do have that, like, traditional karate background. The thing about his dad's a black. Karate, in particular, is that you're. You're not really getting hurt, and you're throwing a lot of kicks, and you learn leg dexterity, and it's like. Especially, like, Taekwondo, you learn leg dexterity that regular people don't have. It's like, just how you're talking about, like. Like there's a level of cardio that you would need to run a marathon. And then you think about, that's about as good as anybody could ever get. And then there's guys that come along and run 100 miles. There's also that with what you're seeing with MMA, with cardio and MMA, but it's also that with everything. It's that with, like, grappling, with striking, with kicking, with everything. We're used to, like, a certain level of it, but if there's the. If elite, like, Taekwondo guys really figured out Muay Thai and then wrestling and grappling, of course, far, you're in trouble. These guys that can throw wild wheel kicks at you and spinning sidekicks to the body, and it's their thing and their time. Yes. Because they've gotten way past the level that everybody else.

That's right. Yeah. I think he rolled with you, didn't he, Lebozniani, didn't he? He was, like, 17, though. You probably don't remember, but he was very complimentary, obviously, his jiu jitsu. Eddie brought something out. Kid's jiu jitsu is so crazy, though. And now he's in the ufc.

We have Gordon Ryan's Abu Dhabi belt right there.

Damn.

Donated to the studio. Look at that, son.

I guess I have some money now. Just give men as gifts.

That's amazing.

Is someone out there? Some doctor? Fix his tummy, please. For real. You have.

You have one, and then. I'm waiting. They have. I'm waiting, waiting. Like, I'm gonna give trump One.

Oh, wow.

That's hilarious. That's hilarious.

Joe. How many people.

It's gold.

I love that. It's gold. How many people are hitting you up for those White House tickets?

Oh, quite a few.

Hey.

Yeah.

How about your boys over here?

You probably won't pass any kind of test that you need to get in there.

No, we've been to the White House. Chop and I have been to the White House.

Who invited you to the White House?

Some guy who is a. Back in the day. He was a fan, but he was a secret service guy.

Oh, wow.

Got his in there.

Yeah, I was all up in there, all the room.

When Obama was weird. Yeah, that one.

That's why it was when Bush was.

Dude, that's wild.

What is all this talk about them arresting Obama? What is. What is all this silly.

Is it real?

No, it's not.

No.

They're really going to start doing that. Going arrest informal president.

Bad idea.

By the way.

You have to arrest. Bad idea.

Every one of them. That's a lot.

Yeah, that, that, that, that warfare, that legal warfare. Look at the size of.

He's 6 4. It's gonna be a good fight, son.

He's a big boy.

Again, these guys are both 185. Okay, this is crazy. They're not 185. These are 200 plus pound guys.

Him sucking weight is so hard for him.

Porhalio. Yeah, it looks like. I mean he looks like a 200 pound guy.

Holly is also 32.

Is he 32? Yeah. Is that true?

I think it was like a young kid.

Wow. Imav is 20 something. 27, 29 maybe.

This is a good fight.

It's a good fight. Very good fight, man. Harley was really, really explosive. Look at him. Probably the better athlete.

I wonder how much it with them watching Roofy get tapped right before.

That's what I was just thinking. It can't be good. You know, your first loss with the nerds.

I know. And he's a good friend of yours. Yeah. Training partner.

You all went through training camp.

Yeah.

For this and night and he gets mud stomped.

Right. And maybe you know how you go with him.

Mud stomped.

We just get your pushed in and you're like, oh, oh, we just did an entire camp not to get taken down. And then that guy. We didn't last a chance. There's definitely some doubt in that. You're like, oh, our camp's not the best.

Yeah. BR is huge.

What was Imov's kickboxing background before he became an MMA fighter? He hasn't A background striking, right Isn't. Am I wrong?

No. He has a background in striking, because it doesn't.

It certainly looks like it. When I'm looking at the way. I mean, everything looks real. Like that stutter step that he did before he delivered that right hand. That's really high level, man. Look at how he throws that front teep to the body. He's fucking good, man.

Remember, Strickland beat him. I think Strickland took it on shit short notice, bro.

Strickland puts that pressure on you, I'm telling you. And it's a different style. It's a weird style.

Kind of broke him front.

Yeah, he kind of broke him. I think he just overwhelmed his cardio to the point where it became defensive. That's what I would say, because Strickland just keeps that pressure. Look what he did to Izzy. Same. He keeps that pressure on you.

That. See, that'd be a good fight, Frizzy.

Oh, yeah. I think Izzy wants that fight.

Yeah.

I think they're actually talking about that fight.

Strickland's suspension's up in November or something like that.

Anger management for jumping in the ring and punching somebody.

I don't know if it's true, but I. I saw a thing on the Internet. It could be fake. It also. It also could very well be real that he got kicked out of anger management because he kept threatening to fight the teacher.

I think that was just. That's just a meme. Barhalio. Almost got the trip. Yeah, almost got that trip trip. But Imov is no joke, man. No joke. Grappling, too. Good defense, but standing up. He seems to have an advantage.

He's doing a really good job of keeping on the fence.

Yeah, a little bit. Right?

Yeah.

That was a guy that didn't get his flowers. That was a guy who did not get flowers. Gagard Musasi was a animal, you know.

He used to train with Fedor.

Oh, really?

Yep.

That makes sense.

Remember Sase? We started the big dick energy rumor about him.

Yes.

And then he's.

His manager told me. Yes.

Yeah.

He loved it.

Of course he loved it. We're saying he probably has a big dick. And he probably does, man. So smart, man.

Very well read.

Yeah. And very high fight iq, too. Just intelligent as opposed to fighting, but ferocious.

But then he went to Bellator.

They put him on the shelf forever, dude.

He was gonna sue him to get.

Out, but he's too old now. Like, how old is he now?

He wastes, like, three years in there.

Yeah. How old is gay guard Musasi. Now, Jamie 54, remember when he knocked out Wideman?

Yeah.

Remember?

Knocked out Jack Ray Souza, but Susa Sousa then got.

What's that?

It's 40.

It's 40.

Yeah.

It's over.

It's over. I mean, if you're clean, nice shot. You can fight in other organizations and keep the facts.

Train kept a rolling 42 on the field.

Remember when Susan put him in that guillotine, though? Just like Jacare just caught him and it was like crazy.

Well, you know, Jaquera is Ja Ray.

Yeah. Yeah. He's a beast. I can't believe she.

Did you see Strickland's tweet about Rampage's son? He's like, we're both head to anger management. Just one of us can have a felony on their record or one of.

Us is going to be able to own a gun afterwards.

Oh, it's a good fight, man.

Yeah. Bahalio's closing the distance now.

Yeah.

This is interesting. So there's a thing about him breaking. When he fought Strickland, if you think he broke, he melted. Yeah. Like, did he. But did he just run out of cardio or did he lose his enthusiasm?

He was given as good as he was getting, though. They were. They were socking it out to the last.

But he broke him. He broke him. Yeah.

I mean, he certainly overwhelmed him. He certainly overwhelmed him.

Them.

But.

But you can tell what just a guy's from his face when he wants out.

It's also an intelligent thing. It's an intelligence thing. If you know that you don't have enough left. Like, here's. Here's an example. Last round of Strickland versus Adesanya. Strickland's like it. Come on, come on. He's coming towards him. Was that. Is he gonna do?

Yeah.

All right, let's do it. Knock me out like that.

Like, you're already.

You're exhausted. You got dropped in the first round. You got. You're losing the fight. You know you're losing the fight.

Fight.

Stay defensive. Just get out of there. You could say, oh, he broke him. But isn't that just a smart move if you don't have anything left?

Yeah.

If you can't do it, like, you know, you're too tired to fight the guy off. Are you supposed to. What are you supposed to do, throw yourself into the fire? I mean, you could try that. That doesn't usually work.

How many guys?

But the thing is, like, you want a guy, but you want a guy who just wants to fight to the end, too so it's like.

It's more entertaining.

I know. It's like, what do you. What do you favor? Do you favor intelligence and tactics and live to fight another day? Do you look at it in terms of an entire career? Like, if you just decide to throw down right there and you're exhausted and you know you're exhausted, you only got a couple of seconds of haymakers in you, and then you get KO'd and flatline. You're at the jaw. You're getting your jaw wired, shot at the hospital, and you're spending.

I love seeing fighters that don't get hit like that. Skill, the ability to take less damage to me is what now, as somebody who's such a fan of fighting, that's what I love. Right.

But then you have Max Halloway, last round, winning the fight, points at the ground, and the universe rewards him with a highlight. Real KO.

Strikers will all, in general be bigger stars than grapplers, but grapplers will in general be more successful.

Yeah, they have a higher winning percentage, for sure, but the stars are always strikers. Always, Always, always.

Look at Connor, look at Izzy.