Transcript of #2443 - Filippo Biondi

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Thank you very much for being here. I'm really excited to talk to you. Obviously, there's been an amazing amount of interest and controversy because of your work. We should explain to everybody right off the bat what this is about. You are the man that was the head of this research that is looking at structures that are underneath the bottom of the pyramid. And incredibly controversial, very fascinating. And if it's accurate, it essentially rewrites all of human history.

Yes. Thank you for this invitation. And yes, the group is composed by Corrado Malanga, which is the head of the group and the dean professor of chemistry at University of Pisa.

Can you explain your background, please, so people would understand?

Yes. My background is this. I am a telecommunication engineering. I graduate at the University.

What is that word again?

Say it again. Telecommunication engineering. Telecommunications engineer.

Okay. It's like your English is excellent, but your Italian accent, although fabulous, sometimes it's difficult to translate.

Thank you very much, Joe. I'm sorry, yes, that I'm not mother tongue of English.

It's still much better than my Italian.

Okay, thank you. Yes, I graduated myself in university at the University of Lecce, south of Italy. Very nice university. It has the name of a famous mathematics Italian, which is Ennio De Giorgi. Ennio De Giorgi was living in the era then John Nash was living also. They were one against to the other. They were both studying the 19th Hilbert problem, and John Egno De Giorgi, solved this problem one week before John Nash.

Interesting. John Nash, from the famous movie Brilliant Mind, Russell Crow. Yes.

Then I performed the my PhD at La Sapienza in Rome, and now I'm here.

How did you get involved in this discovery?

Yes. I worked on radar and synthetic aperture radar for a lot of time.

A Radar-For the Italian military, right? Yes.

Some work, which you can't really talk about. No. I was Involved in some research where together with the Italian Research Council of Bari, always south of Italy, we were testing some special processing that were able to perform something special. This is.

This top secret research that you work on for the Italian government led you to try this stuff out, try this technology out. And this is satellite-based technology, correct? Yes. And it's a radio tomography?

Yes. It is something, in my personal opinion, very simple. The radar is installed on board on the satellite. The satellite flies in the space at a distance of 600 kilometers at 7 kilometers per second in velocity. So while it flies along in the orbit, it is able to catch snapshots of the Earth. The snapshot has to be focused. This focusing procedure, let's say it in the Azimut, I take it easy, in the Azimut direction is done by the processing of sound because it is involved at the so-called Doppler frequency. You know, Joe, when you hear noises that are approaching to you, this noise will rise the frequency because the target has a positive velocity with respect to you, and so the frequency is rising up. This procedure allow us to estimate or to grab, let's say, the vibration information that is always present at the surface of the Earth in terms of a vanished wave that are present on the surface of the Earth. So this vibration, which is mechanical vibration, carries inside of this the information that is located underground. And so we did this.

And was it a specific idea... Was it the idea specifically to look under the pyramids, or was it something that was discovered accidentally?

Okay, yes. Once we discovered this method, It was a coincidence that I knew Corrado Malanga. At that time, we are in 2018, he was studying the pyramids. We were talking about something that if there was some methods able to scan inside the pyramids because he needed some information to conclude the research that he was doing. I proposed him to use my technique, and we started to work together, and so we focused in that time on the pyramids.

When was the first scans?

Yes, in 2019.

In 2019? Yeah. When you got the data back, did you immediately get the data that you're showing today where you see the columns with the coils around it?

Okay. Let's say that this research can be divided by two. The first one, 1. 0, we were concentrating research on the Kunum Kufu pyramid, the Keops pyramid, to watch inside the pyramid. We have tailored our processing to watch only inside the pyramids, because that pyramid, only one pyramid, because we were doing that research. Then once we discovered things in 2020, we published the peer review paper and we gave public the results that we found inside the Knuum Kufu pyramid We decided to expand our research in all the Jisa plateau.

Can I ask something there? When you looked inside, so we know quite a bit about the Kufu pyramid and what the chambers are inside of it. Did this this technology accurately describe the pyramid itself and the insides of it, the chambers that we know exist?

Absolutely, yes. Because we have detected this multilayer structure that is inside the K'Nun Kufu pyramid, the so-called Z. We have discovered it very well from the space, and it is located inside the pyramid. Also, we discovered the new... No, we discovered it. We We gave an image also of the other known structures like the Grand Gallery. The Grand Gallery. The Grand Gallery. And then also the Queens' chamber and the King's chamber also.

And accurate in terms of size and dimension.

And also position and location.

Okay. So when did you decide to focus below the pyramid? Yes.

We decided to focus the pyramid because we were... Our intention was to expand our research. Then also, thanks to the third component of the research group, which is Armando May, he suggests us to expand our research and scan all the Giza plateau.

What date was it that you discovered these immense columns with the coils around it and all those structures that are underneath the pyramid?

Yes. In the second part of our research, we started focusing our scans on the K'Num Kufu. Then we adjust our algorithms to go deeper. And so when we did this, very nice things began to appear on our results.

What did you feel when you first saw those images that do appear to be immense columns? I believe the diameter is 20 meters.

20 meters.

So they're huge, enormous columns. What went through your mind?

Skepticism. Skepticism. I told for Ozzo Corrado was with me because We had those results in our desk without disclosure or anything for six months because my opinion was that was not real. I was thinking that maybe it was noise or some artifacts due by our processing procedures.

Did give you pause at all that they were so uniform, that these columns were in very specific places and that they lined up, there was a uniform gap in between them? Yes.

Why we disclosure this? Because we started to use also other satellites. At the beginning, we were using only the Italian satellite system that it is Cosmoskymed, and Cosmoskymed, second generation. It's very good, very precise. But But we wanted to shift our research using also other satellites because, Joe, in research, when we have diversity, diversity is a good thing because it confirms other things that we were searching. We were searching confirmation. Once we had the same results while we were using American satellites called the Capella Space and also other satellites, having always the same results, we decided to disclosure.

How many different scans have been done on this area?

Two or three... More than 200.

More than 200? All with uniform results?

Yes.

Wow. Yes. There's a lot of resistance to this, and it's from the usual characters, and it's from people that I would characterize as gatekeepers of archeological information. Unfortunately, they are not willing to approach this with an open mind. You see this skepticism. It just seems to me to be confirmation bias. They want this to not be true, regardless of the sheer number of scans and the uniformity of the results of these scans. And also the fact that this stuff has been proven to work on other things. Like, didn't you guys use this exact technology to get the exact dimensions of a particle collider that you have? Yes.

We have a particle collider where I have born in L'Aquila, which is located in the center of Italy, at the center of Italy. There is a huge mountain called Gran Sasso, the Gran Sasso d'Italia, which has a maximum altitude of about 3,000 meters for being precise to 993 meters. And so there is a tunnel, very long tunnel, about 11, 12 kilometers. And in the core of this mountain, there is a particle collider. There is a laboratory, let's say like that.

And this technology got the exact dimensions of this particle collider that's deep in this mountain? Yes.

At a 1. 4 km with respect to the top. Wow.

Yeah. Okay. So we know it's accurate. We know it works. What do you think it is? I mean, other than what I said, that it's gatekeepers of archeological information. It's people that don't want to admit that there's perhaps a quite a bit bigger mystery than just the pyramids themselves. What do you think it is that is causing this resistance?

Personally, it's true. We found a lot of resistance. Yes, it's true. But personally, I don't know why. I can say something regarding to my personal opinion. Joe, it is something that maybe is too big, too huge to be disclosureed like that today. I don't know why.

It's confusing to people because it's essentially paradigm-shattering because the pyramids themselves are absolutely spectacular. The Great Pyramid is 2,300,000 stones. The alignment is the perfect true now, true north, south, east, and west. It's a really incredible accomplishment, whoever built it and when they built it. It's just undeniably fascinating that this was done at the very least 2,500 BC, probably even older than that. We really don't know. But that alone is spectacular. But then when you add the findings that you have, it just makes everybody go, We don't know anything. We really don't. We know that these things exist, but their purpose has always been speculative. The speculation was that it is some a tomb, but that doesn't make any sense because there's no hieroglyphs inside of it. It doesn't seem like a tomb, doesn't look like a tomb. I'm sure you're aware of Christopher Dunn's work? Yes. Which he's an engineer, and he said it appears that this thing is some a mechanical thing, and that it's probably designed to generate some power. Yes.

In this context, I have spoke a lot with Christopher Dunn, and in I like a lot his theory, and it makes sense. And so this discovery matches a lot with his and also to other scientists that make make recast the effective purpose of the pyramid not to be tombs. Today, we are sure. We are sure of one thing that the pyramids are not tombs.

They're not tombs. And what is truly spectacular is that if this data is accurate, those immense structures that have baffled mankind forever are just the tip of the iceberg. Yes. That's just the top. Yes. And underneath it, you have these immense structures that we have not yet fully explored. But you have data that shows that... Let's look at the images. Let's pull up some of the images so people can see what we're talking about. Because once you see it, your mind just goes, okay, what are we even talking about? What was this civilization? When did it exist? And what technology would allow them to not just construct the pyramids, which is absolutely baffling. But if this structure that is underneath the pyramids is accurately described by your work, we're looking at something that is going to have to change our entire perspective on the history of humanity.

Yes, I agree with you, Joe, because what we found, it is something that has been confirmed by our measurements. At the moment, I suppose that our measurements are the only data that we have because there are other data What we are observing? We are observing, principally, vertical structure. This vertical structure has a regular pattern, and this regular pattern is constituted by a so-called the spiral nature. I found this.

Okay, so what are we looking at here? This is the right one.

Yes. Yeah? Okay. Yes, that is the K'Afre pyramid. And you see, Joe, at the top of the tomography, the tomography is on the X, so the horizontal dimension, we have the space. Okay? The space adjust the range. And on the vertical, we have the depth. Okay. On the top, we have the pyramid, you see. You see the pyramid on the top. And while you go down, you are observing the structures that are going down and look, you have the spiral nature of the structures.

Okay, this is not the clearest image that I've seen. So let me see some other images. Because this is just one, right? I know.

That's what this is from his presentation, and I didn't know where to get the best- Okay, back up one.

So go, okay, again. We have a lot of images here that is recasting all the research that we have done together.

So the images that are going around online that people have seen are these 3D replicate. Pull up some more of those? Yeah, I'm going to take them off the web. Okay. Some of the images online are recreations of what is observed and what you believe this could look like underneath, correct?

We have performed measurements, and they are sound measurements that has been picked up from the surface of the Earth by satellites. So they are very precise and they are coherent. Coherent, it means that contains a lot of information. It is characterized to have high entropy. When we perform the so-called tomographic inversion, we can see what there is underneath.

Okay, so this is a recreation of what you believe it looks like. Yes. How are you getting that from the image that's below that? Okay. The image is just one aspect of the data, correct? Yes.

The imagery?

This. This multi-colored image.

Yes, it is. Okay, here we are observing inside the K'Afre pyramid. And inside the Kafre pyramid, we are observing those structures there. Those are inside the K'Afre pyramid.

And the image above? Yes. That is an artist's recreation of what you think it looks like? Yes. Now, how did you make that determination that that's what it looks like?

Okay. The 3D model has been retrieved, not observing just only one result, but observing a lot of results. Putting on a table all the results that we have, we were able to retrieve, so to facilitate people to read our measurements. Observing the results we were able to determine the spirals and the structures that are located starting from the base of the K'Afre pyramid going down.

I've seen other images of the scans that are more convincing than the one that's below. So let's see if we can find some of those. What else do you have here?

Yes, these are all images that are related to the first.

So this is just an article that's in the news.

I mean, I even went here.

Where's a good place to get the best versions of these images? Like that right there. Okay. Okay, what is this?

Okay. Here we are watching a wide area of our tomographies. Look, and we see the structures that are going down.

Yes, this is much clearer. Yes. Okay.

And below the structure, at the end of the structures, there are huge chambers, but they are really huge, approximately having a width and the length and the height of 80 meters.

So 80 meters structures that are below all this.

Yes.

So almost the size of a football field below all this that is some a chamber.

Yeah.

And see if you can find some other images, Jamie. So the coils, how did you determine that there was coils? Is it just because of the gaps that you see in the imagery? Whether they come in this uniform pattern?

I have two or three slides on my presentation where we find the coils.

Okay, let's see if we can find those slides.

Do you know which slide maybe?

If you go down, please. Yeah. Wait a minute. Okay, here we can observe a regular pattern, so not coils. We go down, please. Okay, regular pattern, and the coils are beginning to be seen there on the third image. Here, regular pattern. Go down, please. Here, this is, in my personal opinion, the fourth image from the left to the right, the fifth image, one, two, three, the fourth image, I'm sorry, where you have a core at the center of the coil or at the center of the structure. And then we have a something that spirals down.

So has anybody speculated about what this could possibly be? What these coils are?

Yes, I spoke with two independent, let's say, with some independent researchers, and especially with Christopher Dunn. And Also, I spoke also with Jeffrey that is considering also the GISA power plant like a chemical reactor or something like that. We have on one side, scientists that say, Okay, can be something related to electricity, or we have something related to chemicals or other things. In my personal opinion, me, I can say anything because I just measured what there is there. It is not my job to do this. My job is, okay, here we have the measurements, and now we have to see what there is inside. In my personal opinion, this is the right time to say, okay, Let's go there and see what there is. Let's start digging. Yes.

Pull up some more images, please, Jamie.

Yes, this is very important. If you want, I can tell you about this. Yes, please. Okay, because it is a very important research project that I am working now, and it is something that, if it could be possible, we can go there. Without digging like anything, we can go below. Why? Because belonging between the Sphynx and the Kafre pyramid, there are some shafts. There are the photos of the shafts where we can go in situ and we can physically go there and watch those shafts. Currently, the shafts are blocked by debris, and there is also rubbish inside. So I performed a lot of scans at those shafts. And you see, Joe, the shafts goes down, down, down, down, and they reach chambers that are below.

And that is the Doppler tomography readings. Yes, yes. So these shafts go down. How far do they go down?

Yes, they go down approximately 600 600 meters.

600 meters. Wow. Yes. So 600 meters down, and then they reach a chamber.

Yes.

What is the conventional explanation for these shafts? Is there one? What do current archeologists, what is academia, what do they think these things are? Leave that right there for a second.

Yes. This is the complete 3D model that me and Corrado did. And so to observe all the structures that we have find that we found evaluating the tomographies that we have done on the Giza plateau.

So it's not just under the Great Pyramid. It's under all three pyramids.

And also the Sphynx.

And also the Sphynx. Yes. And they all seem to go. Do they go down to a uniform depth?

We found at the moment the same depth, yes.

And they all have chambers at the bottom?

Yes, absolutely. Yes. And that's the... In my best opinion, the next thing that we are dealing. At the end of the structures of these tubes that are going down, there are huge chambers.

How huge?

As I told you before, 80 meters, times 80 meters, and times 80 meters of height.

And that's uniform underneath all the pyramids? Yes. It's the same dimensions? Yes. Wow. When you look at it like this, when you see your 3D recreation of the site, it's stunning because it just makes you think, what is this? I mean, I can understand the skepticism, and I can understand the resistance to this that modern academics have, because this throws a giant monkey wrench into everything. This makes everything we know about that area thrown into question. Because if this is true, like I said, this rewrites history because you're dealing with an advanced civilization that is demonstrably more advanced than us.

Yes, because they were able to build very precise things, but not at the surface of the Earth below.

Well, they even built a lot of precise things that confuse us. Like, one of the things that Christopher Dunn gave me is this. It's the recreation of the vase, of one of the many vases that they have that is accurate in the way it was made down to... God, what was the number? A thousandth of a human hair, something crazy like that? Like, much less than a human hair in the diameter, in the uniformity of it, in the fact that it was carved. That is incredibly hard stone at a time where there was no metal allloys. They supposedly had copper tools. No one understands it. No one knows how they did it. And it has handles on it, so it couldn't even been turned on a lathe.

Yes. And also, if we go inside the pyramids, inside and also outside the pyramids, we can observe that the measurements are very precise. The chambers are constituted by flat walls. We don't have inscriptions, and the dimensions are all related to the constants, to the major constants of universe.

Right. They're all aligned to the constellations. There's a lot of very strange calculations that they were able to make, like pathways where the sun during the solar equinox passes right through. It's a fascinating place. Yes. When you When you started acquiring this data and you started accumulating it and then started going over it with experts, what did that feel like to you when you realizing, oh, this is real?

Yes. It was something that was very nice for me because the thing was, I was saying always to Corrado, Corrado, Shall we disclosure this or not? I think for now not. For now not, but then the results were always the same. So we decided to disclose this.

How long did you sit on it before you decided to disclose it?

One year.

One year? So for that one year, how conflicted were you? You must have been walking around like, I have the biggest secret on Earth.

Yes.

How weird was that?

Only two person knew what it said.

That's crazy. That's crazy. Two people having one of the biggest secrets on Earth. That's backed by data. I mean, it's not even like someone told you something. You have extraordinary data due to fascinating modern technology that indicates that there's these paradigm shifting structures.

Yeah. And I tell you, Joe, I I would like to go there and see what there is in person.

Yes.

Because it's now time, I think.

Is there resistance from Egypt and the people that are in control of that area, or are they fascinated by it?

I tell you, Joe, I didn't find a lot of resistance. I found a lot of resistance in the Internet. Yes. A lot of debunking, a lot of people that, No, it's not true, it's not true. A lot of people that were continuing to say, no, radar can penetrate the Earth for 1 km. They didn't know or they purposely not saying this, that we are not penetrating anything because we are just grabbing the entropy that is on the surface of the Earth. With that information, we are retrieving tomographies. It's something new that I invented, but it works because we have benchmarks that demonstrates the effectiveness of the method. And this is 100 %.

And there's also been some criticism that the patents have expired, but that's because you have new patents on better stuff.

Yes. Now, Joe, I am under NDA. So we just might think I can say something about the second patent because just yesterday we filed the patent in USA.

Nice. Yes. Wow. Have any Have academics reached out to you in support that are interested in this and would like to explore this further? Yes.

I tell you this. There are companies related to mining and crude oil extraction, and then also water. Joe, today we are leaving a particular time because water is very important. We are in a so-called water emergency in all the world. For me, the first thing that we have to do is to scan the Earth and to fetch, to try and find other, let's say, opportunity to extract not salty water because it's very important.

So you'll be using this technology for that as well?

For now, not, but I'm thinking to do it.

Well, it makes sense. I mean, if it can detect this, it should be able to detect that as well. And that will be a... And also if it's accurate, that will also help garner support for this exploration of whatever is under there. Yeah.

And so we are receiving a lot of calls from companies that want to work with me. And so let's see what we can do.

And so this is all companies that have reached out after you release the results underneath the pyramids?

The most of them are calling me recently.

Right. So they've heard about it- Relatively recently, yes. Well, that's capitalism, right? They say, Oh, we can make money off of this. Yeah, yes. Yeah. That's good. It gets people interested. It gets people involved in this.

And so we have also a philanthropic project. We are opening a foundation in Malta. We are realizing it in two weeks, and we will have a foundation in Malta. And with that foundation, we can operate also philanthropically for the Giza Plateau and other ancient megalithics that are located in all the world. We have a plan to scan everything.

Really? What is next?

Maybe we can see Pumapunco or other sites.

Yeah. Gobekli Tepe, perhaps?

Gobekli Tepe, yes. Yeah.

Have you looked at the labyrinth's Underneath the ones that were described by Herodotus that Ben Van Kerkwick has been talking about on his Unchanted X channel, where there is a huge atrium with a 40-metre metallic object that's the shape of a tic-tac in there?

Yes, they asked me to do it, and we will do it.

Yeah, you have to do that.

I tell you, Joe, the processing is very nice, but request a lot of calculations. It is time consuming. At the moment, we have some computers that are dedicated on Jitsa and other projects that we are doing. In the future, maybe we will have other machines that can work to do other things. But we will do it. We need time, but we will do it.

Now, are you absolutely convinced that this data is accurate or have any of the criticisms of any of the people that are trying to debunk it, has any of that resonated with you and rang true? Is there any validity to any of the criticisms?

Radar is only precise. The nice thing that has a radar is the precision, and especially from space, because space is a very silent environment. You don't have noise, something. The platform is very stable. So when you transmit electromagnetic waves, they return back with absolute precision.

It's recreated over and over again in these 200 plus scans that you've done with various different satellites, correct? Not just one, so that could have errors. You're convinced?

I'm convinced. A hundred % because I did the... I invented the method. Yes, I know. But I tell you that I am happy if somebody can replicate things. So if other research groups can replicate the things that I'm showing, I'm happy.

Well, you got there first. So no matter what. I mean, if this is correct, you will go down in history as one of the most important figures in archeology, because if you are- Thank you, Joe. You're welcome, but it's just fact. If what you're saying is true, we're just recently discovering this in the 21st century. I mean, that's absolutely mind bending.

Thank you for this. Yes, I am happy for being in this, but not only me, other people helping me to do my work.

Yes. Oh, of sure. Of course, a lot of people.

And in principle, my family.

Yeah. These structures and this whole area, if this turns out to be something that you don't find just at the Giza Plateau, but a around other parts of Egypt. I mean, there's always been a lot of speculation as to whether or not a civilization existed in sub-Saharan Africa, an advanced civilization that the area is not now sand. You could probably do that same research there as well.

Yes, I agree with this, and we will do it. Yes.

Wow. What is life like for you now having this exposed and now having this on the Internet and all the speculation and all this excitement? What has that been like for you?

Yes. I am not very used on all this exposure on the internet. It is something that I have to get used of this. My life is simple, Joe. I live in Italy. But now, I repeat this, it is time to go ahead and go on the Giza plateau and in person. I wish to see the effective structure, how they are and the purpose of all the Plateau, what it is.

Is there plans to do that in person, to do some excavation?

Yes. I wrote a project proposal, which is a research and also not research, a proposal. Our intention is to submit this proposal at the Egyptian authorities. If you want, I can explain you this proposal. Please. We are involving University of Ferrara, a Principal Scientist, professoressa Vaccar, Italian professor, she's a geologist, and other Italian governmental institutions that are very clever to do scans in C2 scans. We are not using my technique. We use the state-of-the-art technique that it is recognized by science today. Our intention is to concentrate the efforts on those shafts that I showed you that we have seen because we are not 99% convinced or sure that those are natural entrance into the structures that are below, that are located below. Because we have the vertical structures and you saw on the tomographies, you have also horizontal connections.

So there's corridors?

Yes. You have- And how large are these corridors? They are tall, about three meters tall. Okay.

So about nine feet tall?

Yes. Using these corridors, you will arrive directly inside the coils that we are visualizing, that we visualize before.

So there's passages and shafts and these enormous ways that they can go back and forth in between these various structures.

The thing that we have to do now is to clean those shafts. We have to do cleaning because now they are... Sand, debris. Yes, there's debris.

Yeah. Is there a timeline on when you would like to start cleaning these shafts and start doing this stuff? Yes.

It depends when we submit the project. The project is ready. I know people that are living in Egypt that when we are ready, we can submit the project proposal. Then we are when the government, if approved the project, we can start.

Now, I would imagine that something like this, something at this scale would require enormous funding. Yeah. How do you hope to acquire that?

We can say people that this work is not for me, but it's for humans. We ask people to help us in getting money to perform the work. We have to ask people.

Have you reached out to any Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk type people that have tons of money that might be interested in doing something like this?

I don't know them, Joe.

You don't know them? No.

But maybe...

It's That's a big ask. Yes. It's a big ask. It's a big ask. I need a few billion dollars to go dig around under the pyramids. I mean, how much money do you think it costs to do this?

We did an estimation of the an estimation about, I don't know, maybe belonging for 20 millions or more.

20 million dollars? Yes, 20 million dollars. And this is just to clean the shaft and go underneath it?

Because why so much money? Because our intention is to work safety. I don't want that people has to go down the shaft and work. We want to use drones, robots to make something automatically and so go down by using machines, not humans.

Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. That way you can get accurate real-time video.

Yes. With cameras. It will be something I am thinking about this. Maybe it's one of the most ancient megalithic structure that we are dealing now can be recovered by the most modern technology that we have now And so we can recover it, modern and ancient together.

So you've been giving this presentation now, and you've been going around. What has that been like? What has the reception of it been like?

Yes, a moderate, positive reception. Moderate, positive.

Yes. So people that are like, If this is true, it's amazing, but you have to show me more.

Yes. I tell you, in this project proposal, I am out.

You're out? Yes.

It is better than that University of Ferrara, that is one of the most important university in Italy, can stay there and manage all the work. It's better. Right. And I'm out.

Right. You showed them what's there. You showed them the technology. Now, good luck.

Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you and good luck. Tell me about this presentation. How do you set this up? I know you brought some of the slides of this presentation. Tell me how youHow do you set this up.

How you?

How you set it up. How you explain it to these when you have these semi-skeptical scientists that are sitting down there and you're going to tell them, I'm about to rewrite human history. How do you set this up?

They were listening me very well and they asking me things about how they... The first thing that they ask me is how it works, and that's good. I slowly explain showing them how it works and how I arrived to make this presentation, so to have our results and so on. Someone of them is skeptical, someone a bit less skeptical.

Which is what you want. Yes. You want healthy debate about this stuff. A healthy debate, yes. Because it's the only way you find out what the truth is.

Yes. Only having a healthy debate, we can find what is the truth. I don't want to polarize people for me. It's not my job, no.

Well, not only that, you're just discovering something. This is something that's there. And for people to just put on a skeptical lens and just not look at it at all is crazy. If you're skeptical, we should probably explore it. And if you're wrong, okay, now we know it's not true. But if it is true, it's a crime to not investigate.

To not investigate. It's a crime to not investigate. Yes. I tell you, the solution to... We don't have to dig holes, ruin what is now preserved. No, we have to only clean enough. We have to only clean. And we have to use what there is made. It's for us because those shafts, they are for They are calling us. Our rights are to clean them and see what there is, and go down and explore them personally.

Well, it just seems like if these shafts exist alone, and they are at that depth that you describe, and they are the dimensions you describe, it really does lend credence to what you're saying, because it seems like there's a purpose for those things. And if they do go down to the area where all these structures are. It seems like there's something there.

In my personal opinion, they were built purposely. And if you see the-They're access points, probably. Yes, they are access points. They were made, probably, to You know, Joe, when you go deeper below the Earth, the temperature rises a lot. So there is a certain ratio of where the temperature rises proportional to the depth that you are going. So the shafts are made purposely to take... Their function is to transport air, light, and so cool what there is inside. Hmm.

Well, that makes sense. Yeah. And also access. Show me some of the other slides and other things that are in your presentation so we can get a more comprehensive understanding of what we're looking at. Where should I go? Okay.

Yes, this is the Z. This is Mario Pinkerly. Mario Pinkerly was a researcher that he died on 2012. He was studying the Z, which is the multilayer monument. Let's call it a monument, but it's not a monument because it has a certain and very precise function that is inside the pyramid.

This is the- This is the outlined image in the lower left-hand corner.

Yeah, that's the tomography that we have retrieved. Look, it's very precise. Right.

It looks exactly like what it looks like in the actual image. What is that thing? What do you think the function of that thing is?

Yes, the function is this. You see on the top of the structure, there is something like a... Like a cap. Yes, like a cap. That cap has a precise function to attract the vibration. It's an antenna in the vibration domain.

Antenna in the vibration domain? Yes.

Attract the energy in terms of mechanical vibration and propagates them below. There are other slides, please. Here I did a simulation. Now I'm sorry because I don't have the video because this is a PDF, but I reproduced the function of the Z on the computer. Okay?

Okay.

And look on the On the side, we have all the vibrations that interacts one to each other to each layer. Look. You can see that each layer, look how strange it is. Each layer on the top On the top of each layer, it is scattered. Look on the top of each layer. And the bottom is very flat. It's flat. So what is that? It is something related to filter. It is a low pass filter made by stones. Very crazy, this. That's a low pass filter.

A low pass filter? What exactly is a low pass filter?

Yes, a low pass filter is a filter that allows the transmission only of certain frequencies and reject other frequencies. So it is a frequency stabilizer and low pass or a certain low value frequency.

Okay? Right. And so this aligns with Christopher Dunn's theory that there was something underneath the pyramid, that there was a chamber that they were using to generate vibration, and that that vibration would go through the entire structure.

Yes. And look, Joe, the last layer, look, transmits directly inside the so called a sarcophagus. That's not a sarcophagus. There.

And so what do you think that's what they call a sarcophagus? This immense granite box?

Let's call it, yes, the granite box. Yes. And inside the granite box was done to contain a man, a body. And that vibration, look, collapses at the center of the granite box where the man was lying down.

So do you think there was actually a man inside that? Yes. A person would lay in that box? Yes. And what happened to them?

I don't know.

Whoa.

I don't know. That's a simulation that I did, but it's precise. I understand.

So you don't think it's for a dead body. You think it's for a live body.

Yes.

And so a person would lay there and have some probably incredibly profound experience with whatever-Probably, yes. What do you think it was? If you just wanted to get crazy and put on the tinfoil hat and speculate, what do you think it was? I mean, what would happen to a person if they encountered this vibration, these frequencies in this resonating granite box?

I can say something that is not scientific recognized.

Yeah, that's what I want. Keep it up What do you think?

Maybe that person was ready to have an out-of-the-body experience induced.

Like a gateway. A gateway to the spirit world.

Look, on the top, you have the antenna. The antenna is recepting all the vibrations that transmits all the signal below directly inside the granite box. It's very exciting.

What do you think was generating these vibrations?

Yes, the wind, the natural vibration of the Earth, and also some Let's say the flowing of water, also the flowing of water can generate by this.

Flowing water. There was also shafts that were, this is part of Christopher Dunn's theory, these shafts that reach the outside of space that he thinks were attracting space radiation.

Can be.

Yeah, that's another possibility.

Yes, another possibility.

He also had a theory that perhaps the lower chamber that's below the pyramid itself, that there was some mechanical device inside of there that was generating vibration.

For this, can be, yes. Can be, but we don't- So some boom, boom, boom, through the entire structure, and this is creating this vibration.

That's the antenna. You've got this filter through it, and then someone is laying in this sarcophagus, tripping balls. Yes, it's that. Whoa. That's crazy. That's crazy. Do you imagine if this entire structure was just built so that someone could have some a bizarre out-of-body experience or a psychedelic gateway experience.

I think that's true. I think it's psychedelic Disney World. I do. I had that epiphany two months ago. Really? Okay. I don't want to explain it. Please do. I was looking at a picture of me when I was a kid at a Cedar Point, which is like a roller coaster place. I was just thinking of how much effort we put in to making kids or young adults have a wild experience. That is only in reference... You only understand it if you live there. If you found Disney World now in a thousand years, you'd be like, what the fuck? They worship mice? What the fuck are you talking? This is insane. Look at all the pictures of mice everywhere. That's so true. But you'd see that giant castle and there's rides everywhere, and you would have no idea what the experience of that ride would have been like, or the teacups. It's nonsense. It's fun for kids, but also would make them feel amazing. But also adding what this vibration stuff does and sound and music and all these other things. You can put them all together and be like, you could feel like a God.

If lightning hit the thing, you'd be like, what the... I don't know. I just had that wild idea one day.

It's an interesting idea because you think people have always been fascinated by achieving novel experiences. And what more novel experience than a 2,300,000 stone structure that's perfectly aligned to true north, south, east, and west, aligns to the stars of Orion's belt. You lie inside a stone box and the vibrations hit you and you're in that box.

And naturally, you go out of the body.

Who knows what it does the body and the mind, because we know that the mind is capable of producing endogenous psychedelic chemicals. We also know that people have a very profound reaction to frequencies. That's why sound hits us so hard, and we love music and just vibration itself. And this sound weapon that they just recently used in Venezuela, supposedly, to knock out all Maduro's troops. What could this thing have been?

Yes. I I am relative sure that the principal actor of everything can be water, vibrations, so sound, sound, But we are dealing now to the third, a third thing, so the purpose, the exact purpose of this. Maybe it can be also more than more than one purpose, more than one scopus of the pyramids. The pyramids intended to be, now I am 100% convinced that the pyramids can be considered the tip of the iceberg of something very huge that is composed by things that are below the Earth and the pyramids that are up at the surface of the Earth.

What do you think the reason for the design of the pyramid in that specific geometric shape?

Yes, probably because they have to resonate with the universe in in some... They have to resonate with the universe. The universe, Joe, it is not complicated, it's simple. Because the universe is constituted by things, the matter, the particles, the light, yes, but everything is regulated by some constants. There are the constants. The speed of the light, C, 3 times 10 to the 8 kilometers second. Then you have the velocity of the light. You have the electric constants, the magnetic constants that arranges very well the law of the universe. It is important that something that has to be well related to the place that we live, to the universe, has to contain very precisely the dimensions of recasting the constants of the universe.

And that's what you think the pyramids did?

Personally, yes. Personally, yes.

How old do you think they are?

Yes, on the... Sorry, the Italian starts when I start speaking Italian.

No, it's okay.

The thing that we can say for certainly is that the pyramids are older than the dates that are written on the typical history books. To see something, to say something very precisely, we have to go back in time into the Zaptepi. More than 36,000 years ago, something happened to the Earth. So the Zep Tepi began, and in a time belonging, the Zep Tepi and the Great Flood were built the pyramids.

So I'm sending you something, Jamie, that's very interesting. Yes. So do you have an estimation? What is your personal belief?

Yes. We can't say exactly the year.

So Zeptebi, let's explain to people what that is since I sometimes forget. Zabtebi is the thing that I describe to Zahee Hoas, and he dismissed it. What is this? I've never heard of this. It's an ancient king's list, and it's a list of pharos that goes back past 30,000 years. It's very inconvenient for modern academics, and so they like to portray it as myth. Then when it gets to the age of historically accurate pharos that we know of, Kufu and Kafre, then they allow those hieroglyphs. But when you get all the way back to the 30,000 years ago, they like to say that that's just mythology.

Yes, it's true. But it is a matter of fact that Zeb Tepe, we have also other ancient megalithics that are very old, recognized very old. So we have to deal with that.

Well, Gobeckli Tepe was a big problem.

Gobeckli Tepe is a big problem also.

More than 11,000 years old, for sure. Yeah.

And as we saw- Here it is.

This is something that I actually just talked to Graham Hancock about. This is Stella, is a limestone inscription discovered in 1858 near the Great Pyramid Complex of Giza. And the text describes a pharou kufu who ruled from 2589 to 2566 BC, visiting the site and ordering restorations to existing structures, including a temple associated with the goddess Isis. The Stella refers to Isis as the mistress of the Pyramid, a title that has raised questions about whether parts of the Giza Plateau were already considered sacred before Kufu's reign. And although most Egyptologists date the Stella itself to the 26th dynasty, more than 2000 years after Kufu, its wording continues to draw attention because it betrays the Pharaoh as a restore rather than the original builder. Whether the inscription provides older tradition or reflects later religious interpretation remains debated. But if this is accurate, this describes Kufu as restoring the pyramids. Now, This exists throughout history. The temple of Tenochtitlan, where the Aztecs had, when they described it, they described it as the place where the gods were born, and they found People think the Aztecs made the pyramids. They did not. No. There was some a previous civilization that lived in Mexico prior to the people that call themselves the Aztecs or what we call the Aztecs.

So there's a long-standing history of people repurposing existing structures and claiming them as their own. If this, Stella, is accurate, and this was also in Fingerprints of the Gods, Graham Hancock's book. I sent this to Graham and his reaction was pretty interesting. What he said to me was that there's a strong suggestion that the Kufu pyramid might have been one of the three subsidiary structures alongside the Great Pyramid's Eastern flank, and all that looked like damaging evidence against the Orthodox chronology of ancient Egypt. It also challenged the consensus view that the Giza Pyramids had been built as tombs and only as tombs. However, rather than investigating obligating the statements from the Stella, the Egypt Childiefs, they chose to devalue them in his quotes. They chose to say, That's just inconvenient. But if they are describing it that way, that It seems like this is a long-standing tradition of people finding things that exist. Clearly, ancient Egypt itself, dynastic Egypt, is a very complex society, very complex and very advanced society, even if they didn't build that stuff. But it seems like they're saying the restore.

Yes, I agree with you, Joe. I tell you, there are some facts that we have to observe because I am used to observe. Before I say something, I have to observe. So I'm not an expert expert of pyramids because I am an engineer, I work on satellites, I am a space engineer, I'm not an Egyptologist like that, but I can observe. Inside the pyramids, they found a lot of salt that were attached on the walls. They find the salt. Why there was salt there? First. Second. The shafts that we are dealing now, if we want to clean the shafts, why there is debris? Why there Zeptepid is not tapped. If the great flood is an historical parameter, recognize it. Let's say 11,000, 12,000 years ago, let's say, something like that. I don't remember precisely. The Zeptepi, which is not recognized, is 36,000 in the past. So between the Zeptepi and the Great Flood, we can look at the pyramids and the Sphings.

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The great flood we're looking at 11,000 plus years ago. Zeptepe, you're looking at 30,000 plus years ago. Yes.

We can say I'm an engineer. I put myself in the center between 36,000 and 11,000.

See if you can find some images of salt in the Great Pyramids because it is quite fascinating. And if there was some a massive rise of sea and massive flooding, which is depicted in every single ancient religion, from Epic of Gilgamesh to the Hopi talk about it. I mean, it's like almost all cultures have a story. Obviously, Noah and the Ark, and the flood in the Bible, but this salt.

Joe, two months ago, I went for the first time to visit the pyramids, and I found salt on the wall. There is still salt.

And you think that salt is probably because- I taste it.

It's of water, of the sea.

Wow.

Yes. I forgot to bring it to you.

Not just that, but there's so much salt that there's still salt there 11,000 years later, which is really extraordinary. And so you think that that salt is because the entire area was flooded? Yes. And that's the reason why the shafts were flooded and filled with debris? Yes. Right. Topped off with debris because everything just flutter into there. And then when the sea receded, so many years later, you're left with salt everywhere. Yeah.

And that's why the reason that I don't want that people go to work inside the shaft because they're dangerous, can collapse the debris. Can collapse because you can have bubble of air, and so it's dangerous. Robots has to go.

Right. Well, it makes more sense. Robots are safer. It's also like you do.

Everything is connected. The Great Flood, the Zeb Tepi, and the Pyramids. Wow.

If it turns out to be-I'm convinced with that.

I am convinced that maybe I go in the center, 18,000 or something like that, between 18,000 and 20,000.

Well, what's crazy is that pushes back that ancient civilization by 14,000 years, which is at least 14,000 years. I mean, John Anthony West thought maybe 30,000 plus years to the construction of the Sphinx. That's what he thought. When Robert Shack from Boston University, the geologist that started doing work on the pyramid, and then, excuse me, the Temple of the Sphynx. The Sphinx, yes. Yeah, and the water erosion, he's like, this is-It's vertical. Yes. It's vertical fissures that come from thousands of years of rainfall. The last time there was significant rainfall in the Nile Valley, that was 9,000 years ago. You're dealing with thousands of years before that of rain to achieve that erosion. Yes.

It is necessary now. That's why this research and this activity that hope we will do, it is very important. Because it is able to rewrite everything.

I mean, really rewrite everything. Imagine if you could get something from down in those shafts, in those corridors, something that you could date. Yeah. And you get a date back of 26,000 BC. You go, what? I mean, it's not outside of the realm of possibility. That's what's so crazy about this. It just really does seem like we are getting more and more evidence that things are far older than conventional wisdom, the conventional narrative that's taught in schools.

Yes, I agree. I agree because as I told you before, this is the time to see effective, which is the exact date of construction, who made them, and how they made them.

But how could we figure out how they made it? That's the crazy thing, because we don't even understand the technology they used to cut them. We don't know what they had. And that's the other thing. If you're dealing with something that's 20,000 plus years old, 15,000 years old, what's going to be left? All the metal's gone. Everything is eroded. The Earth has reclaimed most things. Really, the thing that you have left is stone, which is pretty crazy. Yeah.

And if we see the rooms, all the structures that are currently inside, let's say, the the Cheops pyramid, which I like it a lot. The Grand Gallery is very nice, fascinating. They have a precision, incredible precision. All those big, huge stones that is composed in the Grand Gallery is very exciting. I like it a lot.

Did you have any fascination about the pyramids before this?

Joe, I remember when I was very young, I I used to... I had a... How do you say? I had a personal computer, very old one, and I was always playing always on something that... And there was the pyramids. They were all the pyramids. And in that meantime, I realized that I liked the pyramids. I was very young.

So the Personal Beauty, you were just researching the pyramids? Is that what it was? Yes. What is it? Just looking at pictures and images?

Yes, on the pyramids.

So you always were fascinated by it. But did you have an understanding or even any questions about the timeline of civilization before this?

No, never.

So it only happened within the last few years?

Yes. I began working, being interested on pyramids Starting from 2018.

So it was right after you started doing this research? Yes. And you started saying, Okay, what is this? Yeah.

And so when you start to research on something that is our history, our past, our origins, because our origins are there. We have to fetch, we have to find what there is there because it is important that It is important to research our origin because in this meantime, humanity does not know... We don't know who we are. We don't know our origins. We don't know anything of who we are. And most of the answers can be found in studying the pyramids.

Well, it certainly seems to be the greatest accomplishment that ancient humans had ever created.

Yes.

And if these humans were far more ancient than we currently believe, that is really, really interesting.

And it is for me, it is something that I have always in my mind, only to know how they did, how they cut the stones, how they have transported the stones, and how, I don't know, how, how, how, everything.

It's all how, how, how. What gave them the idea? Were there any previous pyramids? Because it's weird, because the older you go, the more complex the structures are, and the newer ones are shitty. Yes. Okay, so we went from that. We showed this antenna and it goes into the supposed sarcophage and these vibrations. What other things do you show in your presentation that are interesting?

I show it, principally, all the structures that are under the Kaffre pyramid and also under each pyramid. Also, I described the method on how going below without drilling anything. I showed them that there are the entrances are there on our rise. Everyone can see those shafts. And so why we are not exploring them? Why they are so dirty? Why they are so without any work of renewal? Maintenance, yeah. I don't know why.

Well, it seems like there's limited resources, first of all.

It may be Yes. Yeah.

And also it seems like Egypt, an entire economy is based on tourism, an immense amount of tourism because it's so fantastic. There's people from all over the world make a pilgrimage.

I also to find a method to combine, so not stopping the tourism. So it is possible to combine the work and also the tourism. So we can delimitate the area. Inside the area, we work and outside the area, safety. All the people can visit the Giza Plateau.

Not only that, I think it will enhance tourism. Because if this speculation proves to be fruitful and you start looking under there and you find that there is evidence to all this. It's just going to make more people want to go.

Oh, yes, I agree with you. But you imagine, Joe, we will find the structures that are underneath. And maybe we can try to build a huge lift that carry people downstairs in safety always, or maybe not below for a lot, but at a certain depth. They can also travel along the horizontal corridors that present. And so they go up from the shafts and they go up to the Kafre pyramid and they go away from the entrance here and they go intercepting the pyramids.

That would be amazing.

Yes.

I mean, it would just be much more tourism. Yes. Yeah. And also the all eyes would be on Egypt. I mean, it would probably be a huge boost to their economy. It would probably be a huge boost to archeology because more young people would get fascinated by it, want to study it.

And imagine also this. What can we find below? Down there, what can we find? This is a question that I am asking because if we watch the slide concerning the shaft that I want to clean, there are things inside. I am showing that there are things located inside the chamber. Look, there is something. What is that?

What are you seeing? When we're talking about the shaft where it goes all the way down to the bottom and there's the chamber, is that what you mean?

That one, yes.

Right there. So that structure that is at the bottom.

What's that? I don't know what's that. It's very huge.

Very huge, and it's at the bottom of the shaft.

Look the horizontal corridors.

And so there's more horizontal corridors during the... When you traverse down into the shaft.

Then you intercept other corridors.

And how large are those corridors?

About three meters tall.

So there's these three meter tall shafts that go to the side, these corridors that go to the side, along the way, and then also down at the very bottom. Yes. And you're convinced of this? Absolutely, yes. This is all accurate data. Right. And no one has ever sent a camera down there or anything?

Look, those are human, manmade structure, like a ring on another ring. Look, it is very clear if you observe the structure. Those are manmade, and they go deep, very deep. You can see the rubbish that is on the bottom.

All the debris. The debris. That debris, you think was a lot of it because of the flood?

I am 100% sure of this. The pyramids or the Giza Plateau, it seems to stop the functionality, the working. We don't know which work were used to do, but stopped because of the Great Flood. We can go back in time in 12,000 years ago.

And when people, the people that don't know, if you're hearing this like what great flood, that's just myth. There's a thing called the Younger Gryas Impact Theory. And the Younger Dries Impact Theory Group that's been studying this, they now know that there was impacts to the Earth that are allowed around the 11,800-year mark. And then I believe, again, in the 10,000-year range. Randall Carlson is probably the best guy to talk to about that, but that they find They find high levels of iridium, which is very common in space and very rare on Earth, but there's a layer of it. They also find these nanodiamonds that they also discovered during the first Trinity explosion when they detonated the atomic bomb. They find these microscopic glass particles that are created by the intense explosion interacting with the sand. So what is it called? Triniteit? What is it called? What are those? Nuclear glass. What is that called? Tritonite? Is that what it's called?

Something related to vitrification. Yes.

Okay. So this exists all over the world, and it exists all over the world when they do a core sample at the same depth. And so this is a very strong scientific indicator of evidence that we've been hit. Yes.

But another scientific indicator is the debris. Why there is that debris?

Why so much? So much. Why so much?

If we do carotid drilling of that debris inside the shaft, I don't know how deep we can go. Why there is all that debris there? We don't know.

Right, but which makes sense if there is a great flood that fills the pyramid with saltwater, it probably washed all that sand into that gigantic vertical shaft. Completely makes sense. Yeah.

I tell you, Joe, if we do a chemical exploration of that debris, we can find also a certain density of salt because we're mixed in the past by salty water and debris and soils.

Also, you could get dirt from the very bottom and it gets some organic material and carbon date that. And maybe you can get an understanding of maybe when stuff was washed down to the bottom of that shaft.

Very interesting. Yes, it's possible. It can be possible.

It would be crazy if they did that and it lines up directly with the Younger Gius impact theory. I mean, that would be incredible evidence. Either way, just what it is that we know that there's immense shafts. We know that they go many, many meters deep into the Earth, and we know that there's these horizontal shafts along the way, these corridors along the way. All of it is just nuts.

I was looking at the Osiris shaft here, the shaft. Okay, just near these other ones. When they I found it, there was water down there they had to get out, and the water is not only cold, ice cold, it says. It's clean enough to be drinking water. And I don't know that it doesn't... It sounded like it refills itself.

Oh, so there's a spring down there. Well, that is also the problem with the labyrinth. So the labyrinth that they have where there's this enormous atrium and this 40 meter long metallic object that apparently is underneath there. And this is through ground penetrating radar. They did discover this. I don't think they know know what that metal is either. I think it's an unknown metal. But they built a dam there, I believe in the 1960s, and to help the farmers. And unfortunately, that flooded that whole area. So because they changed the direction of the water and built this dam, the water table rose, and that entire labyrinth is now filled with water. But through ground penetrating radar, they've been able to get this accurate assessment of the dimensions of it. And then they go back to the descriptions of Herodotus, who He described it. See if you can pull that up. Herodotus described it as greater than the Giza plateau itself. So these labyrinths, these corridors, these atriums, these huge passageways underneath the Great Pyramid area, more complex and more spectacular than the pyramids themselves. Yes. My God. My God. What was this civilization? These people living in Africa, however long ago, were so much more advanced than perhaps anybody that's ever existed, including us, just in a different way, including us, just in a different way.

Just to remark the fact, Joe, that there is difference between the water table, which of course, is composed by drinkable water and the water that they found compounding the Osiris shaft, and the water that transported all the debris, but that water was salty water because of the great flood. So it was water of the sea, composing the sea.

Which makes sense when you see the salt that's all over the pyramids. This is Herodotus' quote, I've seen it myself, and indeed, words cannot describe it. Though the pyramids beg a description, and each one of them is a match for many great monuments built by Greeks, this maze surpasses even the pyramids. That is crazy. That's It's crazy that he said that. Have you ever seen any of the artistic renditions of what it looks like?

No.

See if you can find some of that because we did it. If anybody's interested in this, I can't recommend enough Uncharded X. It's Ben Van Kirkwix.

How nice.

This This is what apparently is underneath this area, which is just fucking staggering.

Wow, how nice.

This is all underground.

I think the next site that we can study can be this.

Yeah. Yeah. And if you could find out what that 40 meter long metallic object is, that's when things get weird. That's when things get real weird because you find a spaceship down there, Then things get really fun. I mean, we're Egyptian space travelers. Why not? I mean, if they could build that, why not space travel? Who knows what they could do? They're lying in a gigantic Atlantic stone box, tripping balls. They have this huge pyramid. The structures go, how long? A kilometer, the entire thing, into the earth?

1.

2. 1. 2 kilometers into the earth. From the base of the pyramid down 1. 2 kilometers.

Wow. Wow.

Wow. Wow. Does this change... From 2018 to now, from you researching this, does this change your entire perspective of human history and just human beings in general?

In my personal opinion, yes. Because before this was a problem accepting how the pyramids were made, all those stones. But if we are adding also the structures that are underneath, I don't know what happens. It's more impossible than before.

Right. More impossible than... I mean, if you'd imagine with modern technology, trying to recreate something like that. You're talking about an immense project that would cost hundreds of billions of dollars, if not more. And the engineering involved in it. You're an engineer. The engineering involved in doing something like that How?

How they can cut the granite so precisely is impossible. It's impossible. Also today, it's impossible.

So they had some a technology that is far more advanced than we have. They just went in a different direction. We went in the direction of internal combustion engines and electronics, and they probably went in some completely different direction.

Yes, because the modern science started from a point, and then, as you are saying, we followed a direction, which is the direction of light, because most of our inventions, our internal combustion engines and other stuff. But, principally, we use light because we can see it. We can see light. Okay, we use light. But other the existence other people that was living in the past, maybe use it other things that we don't know.

Maybe sound.

Maybe sound.

It seems like it if this is generating sound and vibration, if your speculation is correct, that they were obsessed with vibration and sound.

Yes. They were obsessed in vibrations and sound because all the structures that I watched inside the pyramids, they are like something that generates sound, or they maintain clean the sound.

It resonates sound. It resonates sound. It has a very specific echo to it.

The Z, like that, is magnificent. The Z is perfect. It's a perfect device made by stones. It's very nice.

Just how and where did they get the understanding to construct something like this? This is what screws up our idea of a linear timeline of human progression in civilization, to go from cave man to modern 2026 human being. We like to think that it was just, Oh, we figured this out, and then we figured the wheel out, and then it was agriculture. Now, here we are today with cars. But more likely, there were some peaks and valleys. We rose up to a very high level, probably during Egypt, and it was shattered down, and it took probably a long time before civilization rebuilt itself again. Yes.

Joe, then we are speaking about modern living, but modern living has to be sustainable. I don't think that our modern living is so sustainable.

No.

No.

I mean, even our population isn't sustainable. We're in population collapse in many countries in the world, South Korea, Japan, And even there's arguments about America itself, that we're in population collapse. And we're also chaotic. We also have a very bizarre distribution of information that's filled with nonsense and lies and propaganda.

Lies and propaganda, yes.

We have the government that's constantly trying to censor people and control speech and limit your ability to express yourself and complain about things so they can continue to dominate resources. We have a weird society today, but it's also a society because of this access to information where you can discuss and explore things in a way that has never happened before. And that's the most exciting thing about our time. Because there's so much room for discussion.

I want to, if I can, to explain you something that is maybe related to philosophy or to other things. We have an example of how modern humans are a bit strange because it is like that we are not made to research or to the harmonics in our living. I just want to make an example. Do you remember in the '80s when the cold fusion rises?

Yes.

Maybe we are speaking about flashman and ponds that made for the first time, they had a glass of water and inside they made this a mini nuclear reactor inside. They had some results that were very poor results, I know, but was a base to build something stronger. They put away that experiment. No, they debunked that experiment. It was not good. It is not good because it is not possible. The example of the cold fusion is how we are because cold fusion was devoted to find the energy using resonance. Resonance. Why? How it works, cold fusion? We have two atoms of hydrogen. We start putting together these two atoms. But while we put together these two atoms, There are the atomic forces that tends to, No, I don't want to stay with the other other. But then there is a limit that the atoms fuse together and they are transformed in helium plus energy because of the mass difference. You can do energy by fusion. This is fusion, not cold fusion. You can have a fusion by forcing together the They don't want to stay together. So the force, force together. That is hot. Yes, that is hot fusion.

Cold fusion, you convince the two atoms to stay together naturally. Okay?

So today- What method do they use to convince these atoms to stay together naturally?

Yes. You have to find a third material that That convince the two atom to stay together. Like you say, I have a couple. You have a couple, a girl and a man. They don't want to talk one to each other. If you put a third person between them at the center of them, at the center of them, and maybe a third person, convince the man and the girl to speak together, and they will speak together. The third material, which is palladium. They use it palladiumium. Palladiumium has a physical property to speak together the two atoms, and without force them, they naturally transform into Helium, and they generate energy because the Helium has a mass lower than the two atoms. With mass difference, you will generate energy.

Doing this at scale is the Holy Grail of modern science. This has always been the quest.

Yes. We have two paradigms, convincing something or obtaining the results using the force. The street that you were As I was speaking before, science had this street. We want to have things by using force, not convincing.

Right. That's where we are. That's nuclear power.

Yes.

Nuclear energy.

Yes. Because I tell you, today, also hot nuclear fusion does not exist. Because it is very difficult to make a huge reactor that use the toca-max or something related to laser that forces together the atoms. It's something not natural. Cold fusion was natural. And so the pyramids are something related to vibrations, to harmonic resonance, to something like that. It is the right creation that was the past.

They were the right creation. They were doing it the correct way. Yes. Instead of doing it against nature, they were doing it in harmony with nature.

In harmony with the nature and in the universe. And that's why all the dimensions are related to the constants of the universe. The universe is like a book that is open. We have to just observe it. It is not difficult. It's very simple to read the universe.

Okay, show me more. Show me more of this presentation. What else do you have in here when you go from the cap with the sound resonating into the supposed sarcophagus? Yes.

What else? Yes, we can go to that slide.

This stuff is awesome. This is my favorite subject by far. Of all subjects, ancient history, in particular, ancient Egypt is my favorite subject.

Okay, we stop to pink early.

Because it's so undeniably interesting.

If we can go a slide up. Here, look, here we are dealing with something that happened in 2022. After our paper was published, because because these results are on our first paper. Look, Joe, that slide there, that picture. The lower left slide. Yes.

You depict chambers that were previously not known. Yeah.

That's the big void. Right, the big void. That's the big void. And then there is the Chevron connecting with the corridor, the base of the Grand Gallery. That corridor was discovered six months later by Zahia Was.

Wow.

They made the paper, but I depicted six months before.

So you let them know it was there, and then Zahia was like, I found it.

That's the corridor. I don't want to say that I found it, but-Well, you found it.

I'll say it. You found it. So your technology showed something that turned out to be true and is now established.

Yes.

And again, how crazy is it they're just finding new chambers in the pyramids in the 21st century? Pretty spectacular. Yes. That they're just finding this now.

And just yesterday, I was to examine it again. I don't have a slide here, I'm sorry, but there are the results of the Scam Pyramid Project. The Scam Pyramid Project is very good. It is a very nice project group. They discovered the so-called Big Void. But there is a problem because they say the big void can be something parallel to the Grand Gallery. Not steady, but inclinet, like inclinet.

In an incline, right.

Examinating their results, I was observing something. Maybe, I say maybe, I can't say that I am right of this. Maybe they are confusing an inclined new chamber by the top of the... They are distinguishing the top of the Grand Gallery and the bottom of the Grand Gallery like that. I observed the results, but in my personal opinion, the big void is not inclined, but it is located where there is that red blob there. That's the Grand Gallery. Yes, there and also up. Yes, that's the Grand Gallery. It is not inclinet. It's flat like that. It's, how you say, steady, not inclinet. That's the Grand Gallery.

Why do they think it's on an incline?

Because we are not seeing... My technique is not detecting an inclinet chamber on the top of the Grand Gallery.

Why do they think there's an incline?

Yes, because they found two targets parallel. But I am feeling to tell them to be careful because maybe they are confusing the roof of the Grand Gallery and the and the lower part of the Grand Gallery.

I see.

Okay. They have to be careful.

Interesting. But it's just also more evidence that your techniques are very effective and accurate because you did describe that you have- Yes.

We can see the results that I obtained on the Grand Sasso. We can see the Grand Sasso and the laboratory of Grand Sasso. That is a perfect benchmark that describes the effectiveness of my technique.

All right, show me some more. What else you got here? Show me another slide.

Below, I think. Okay, we go to Gubbio. This is a town where I live.

I am- This is Saxo Haman, right?

Saxo Haman, yes. This is Saxo Haman. Here I am showing you the next work that we can do once the Jizha scanning activity are finished.

So this is in Peru, correct? Yes. And so you want to scan this as well because we've had quite a few people on describe this.

Look, Joe, the stones are like marshmallows.

Yes.

They are like marshmallows. How they did those Right. Those things there.

Enormous. Some of them 100 tons carved from stones that who knows how they put them into position, but they carved them in this very strange way to absorb the impact of earthquakes, right? Yes. The idea of this technology is that the reason why they're like a puzzle piece is because it would be much less likely to move in an intense earthquake. Okay.

Go back to the tape. It Gubbio. Just a few words on this city that is a small town that is located in Perugia, where I live. Look, the Italian, the authority of the city, of the town, asked me to perform a scanning around that Colosseum, that mini Colosseum that is located in Gubbio, because probably there is a huge Roman city not so old, but it is a Roman city that compounds that arena that is there.

So a lost Roman city that's around that area.

Yes. I say hello to the people of Gubbio.

Is this the next thing that you're going to do? One of the next things? One of the next. But Saxe Huaman is also in the...

Yes, Saxe Huaman. There is also Kara Kora also. Very interesting. The Slide is a slide 51, please. Yes, Kara Kora. This is located in Russia, and there are huge structures inside there.

This is in Russia?

Yes, yes. And nobody knows the purpose of those things there. Nobody. It's crazy. More than crazy.

How big are these things? Can you keep that up there, Jim?

I'll find other pictures of it so you can see what it looks like.

Just keep this up just for a couple of seconds. How big are we? What are we looking at here?

Yes, we have 9 plus 16 plus 7 plus 10 plus 36, and they go below. So maybe 200 or 300 meters below.

200 or 300 meters. And there's this immense rectangle at the bottom of these corridors.

And it goes more, more deeply. And so nobody knows what it is.

And if you look at that image, it's clearly a manmade structure.

It's manmade, absolutely, yes.

I mean, look, they're stones. They're placed. That is nuts.

That's crazy.

And there's no historical timeline, no understanding of who did it. No. Wow. So it's likely that there's structures like this that exist that are undiscovered, probably all over the world.

Yes. The nice thing of this is this. Satellites are globally. So one satellite flies from, let's say, South Pole, North Pole, South Pole, like that. Because of the angular momentum conservation, let's say, the wheel of the orbit remains steady, and the Earth rotates inside this circle. The circle remains steady like that. So at least once a day, one satellite can observe, potentially, any part of the globe in one day. So you can program snapshots where you want in all the Earth in one day.

And how many satellites are up there?

The satellites that contains on board of them a payload composed by a synthetic aberture radar, there are a lot. There are different satellites companies that provides these services. Today, it is possible to decide to observe something, okay, I call the company and they put case for me, an image.

This structure in Russia, how was this initially discovered? Was it discovered by explorers?

Manually by explorers.

Manually? Yes. How did they get the dimensions of it? Are people able to go all the way down into it?

That man, because there is only a man that went down because it's very narrow, but once you go down, everything becomes very huge and large, measure it manually, all those depths. But more than then, you can't go because maybe it's too narrow. I don't know.

Did you find any images of that, Jamie, online?

I'm looking into something. I'm stuck in a hole. Someone was saying that it's in a different spot, and I just tried to track it down. These are also, weirdly, only getting talked about over the last month. So I am digging down a different path.

When did they discover this?

I don't remember, Joe. 2011. 2011.

That's crazy. The fact that they don't know who made it or why, but it is clearly manmade. You're seeing these stones perfectly cut, stacked on top of each other.

Yes, and you have the same- Okay.

It says it's currently known from fringe social media and YouTube style sources rather than former archeological publications because it hasn't been explored, correct? That's 15 years ago, though. Yeah, Pretty nuts. But I mean, who's doing that work in Russia, especially now? Deep underground shaft lined with large, parallel megalithic stone blocks with walls described as straight and polished suggest artificial construction rather than a natural cave or fissure. And this is all from our sponsor, Perplexity, that we run all our questions through. And it's always been very accurate. Said to lie somewhere in the Russian caucus, often described simply as North Caucasus or caucus Mountains, with videos and posts presenting it as evidence of unknown or very ancient civilization with advanced stone working techniques. Crazy. They don't know who made this. There's no accessible peer-reviewed archeological articles, official Russian heritage records or academic monographs to describe the site formerly named the Kara Hora. Am I saying that right? Kara Hora?

Kara Hora Shaft.

Kara Hora Shaft, which strongly suggests to claim It's not been vetted by mainstream archeology, but look, it exists. Whether it's vetted or not, it doesn't matter. Who made it? What is it? Nuts. That's really crazy. I had no idea that that existed. It makes you think, if they just found that in 2011-Manually.

Right. And maybe doing a wide research by satellites, maybe starting from there or other sites between that kara hora, maybe we will find other things.

Right. It could be a part of an enormous complex. Who knows? But just the fact that that exists and that a human made that or humans made that, that's crazy. The The whole thing is crazy because it really does... Like anybody that... Boy, modern archeologists and people that are the gatekeepers of archeological information are fighting an uphill battle because you can't... At a certain point in time, you have to give up and go, I don't know. And This is an I don't know moment.

Yes, this is an I don't know moment.

What the hell is that? What is that? I don't know. Show me some more images, Jamie, because it's really kooky. Of the shaft? Yeah, just what that looks like.

I'm trying to... I'm digging down a hole in it. There's a post here on Twitter.

Yes, there are not so many- This is like they're misinterpreting something.

This is Jay Anderson, who's been on the podcast recently.

This is the tweet I found.

How about some fat-check? Kara Hoja in the Cabardino, Balko Korea Republic, North caucus, the Russian Federation, is a different place from Karakoto. So Kara Hoja and Karehora. So there's more than one place.

I'm just googling stuff. It all comes from this one video, it it seems like because everyone's pointed to this video, and this video is compiled of all sorts of stuff. It's got 3 million views from 2024, so I can see how it went viral, but it starts off with just showing that.

And I don't So this is probably the entry to this area. Maybe.

But again, no one knows. They can't tell you where that is on a map.

Right. Got it.

Look how precise they are.

So this might be...

Who knows?

Yeah, it could be real.

It could be nonsense. Well, The images of that guy standing there looking outside of that opening that you showed earlier in your presentation is just bananas. But whatever this is, is fucking.

That's where I don't know where it's from. It could be-Right.

Do they have any video once they got all the way down through? Okay, let's keep going. See what it looks like.

I don't even know. Yes, so someone else has done narration on it. It's coming from a different channel. I You can see a tag on there. It's coming from a different show.

God, look at the right angles, though. This is nuts.

Yes.

I mean, it clearly looks like something manmade.

Look how precise. Yeah, it's crazy. No, that's manmade. It's absolutely manmade. There are also a comparation with the dimensions of the dimensions. Wow.

What the hell is that? That means it's crazy. What the hell is that? It's crazy. And they found 2011. I mean, imagine how much more of this stuff... I mean, that's one of the things about Gobekli Tepe. They've only observed 5% of it. I mean, 5% of it they've uncovered. And through ground penetrating radar, they know of multiple sites nearby.

Yes, but ground penetrating radar has a problem. What is the problem? The problem of ground penetrating radar is the penetration depth is few meters enough. So there is a problem of penetration depth, but in that depth, you are very precise. You have to take into account that more than 15, 20 meters below you can't go.

But using that method, they have found all these structures that exist around.

It's a good method for in-situ exploration, yes. You can find nice things with using ground penetrating radar. If you want to perform a wide area, rough scanning, you can use my method. You can find huge things on wide area. For the details, it's okay, ground penetrating data.

Is there anything else you want to show us that's in your presentation that you think? Okay. Show me some more stuff.

Yes. It's a pleasure.

Yeah, please. It's a pleasure for me, too. Thank you. Thank you for being here. Thank you.

Thank you for inviting me.

Caracara Cora. Is that how you say it? Cara Cora? Cora. Cara Cora.

Cara Cora.

So this is Cara Cora. So that image... Go back one more time to Cara Cora. So that's a legitimate image. That's not AI-generated. No. This is these guys standing in clearly what looks like megalithic stone stacked on top of each other. Clearly manmade.

Yes, clearly manmade because look, you see the blocks.

Yeah, you see the blocks. It's fucking nuts.

No, but okay, we can understand that it's possible, maybe it's possible to build something like that. Sure, it's possible. But the purpose.

The purpose and when and who and what civilization. Who did that? That is insane. What even is that? What even is that? Yeah. I mean, there's ropes that go across, and that's what you're seeing.

Where's the rope go? Where's his arm and where does the rope go to?

Well, he's got his arm posted on the side of that wall, and that rope goes across, and you're just not seeing it because of the darkness.

Is that like he's leaning against something there, too?

It looks like he's got his hand on that wall, that opening. There's an opening in that shaft. So what else is next in this presentation?

Which way should I go?

Okay, we go upstairs. Let's see. Go back in the tape. Then we have gubbio. Here we have the osiris shafts, which we use this shaft, the osiris shaft, like a benchmark because we are able to understand the effectiveness of our technique that is able to retrieve the shape of the Osiris shaft. Why the Osiris shaft? Because it's a benchmark that we know exactly how it is established. It's established.

It accurately depicts the Osiris shaft.

Yes.

What else?

Okay, let's go there. Okay. 43. Yes. This is the San Gotard tunnel. Here I made an exploration using my technique in order to retrieve the shape of the railway tunnel. That it is approximately 2 kilometers below the mountain. The slide 44, we can understand that in this case, the Alps, the mountain, resonates like a crystal. You are seeing, you are watching the mountain in the vibrational domain. It's like a photo, a photo picked up or synthesized by a sound. And in that case, we can see the slide 45 and 46, we are detecting the tunnel. The tunnel, yes, that's the railway tunnel that is located below the Wow.

So this is just more proof of the accuracy of the technique? Yes. This is some really stunning stuff.

Yes, I can explain you other experiments we We can go starting from slide 36. Okay, slide 36. This is a dam, and it is a very important dam. It is the Mosul dam that is located in Iraq. It's very huge. It's 300 meters tall, has a height of 300 meters and 3 kilometers from one part to the other part of the dam. It contains a huge amount of water from the upper side. There is the water that contains and below there, there is the river that the water comes out from the reservoir that is on top. Why the Mosul dam? The Mosul dam has a problem. It has been built on a bed of jesu, how you say Jepsum? Jepsum, yes. Jepsum is, while it's in contact of water, it melts. The Mosul dam is dangerous because it has a serious problem of stabilization. In this case, there are a lot of, let's call it, satellites methods and synthetic, a virtual radar methods that are devoted to perform the so-called infrastructure monitoring. In this case, the Mosul dam is crucial to be observed by a radar. In this case, I wanted to see this slide 37, please.

Here, inside the dam, look, there is a tunnel, the red line, the tunnel. Here we have people that are working inside the tunnel. The task was, with my technique, is possible to detect the tunnel? We go in slide 38. We see on the right top, there is the tunnel. Just to explain you, where you see red, the vibration energy is high, so it's red. When you see blue, the vibration energy is low, and inside the tunnel, because you have the air, you don't have vibration, so it's low, and so you see the tunnel. We were also able to detect slide 39, also the principal facility that are located inside the dam, which are the turbanas. The turbines. The turbines.

Right.

And other stuff, and all the mechanical machines. This is all the mechanical machines that are located inside. All right.

So it's showing the accurate shape of the turbines as well. So this is just more proof that this technique works. Yes.

And so we go slide 31. On slide 31. Okay. This is the Gran Sasso. How nice is this? It's for me very nice because I born here.

This is the particle collider. Yeah.

Inside the mountain, in the core of the mountain, there is the laboratory here. The task was, can I detect the facility that is inside the mountain? We are now in the slide 32 and 33. We can see the facility that is ENFN is the Instituto Nazionale di Fisica Nucleare.

You see the shape of it in there?

National Institute of Nuclear Physics, the Italian National Institute of Nuclear Physics.

That's more than a kilometer deep into the mountain. 1.

4. And yes, and slide 35, we can see the laboratory. Wow. Yeah, this is the laboratory.

That's crazy. That's crazy. So using your techniques, you get an accurate depiction of the dimensions of this laboratory. Yeah. Wow.

And that triangle is called the interferometer. So when you have lasers that goes together and you can study the pattern, the interference pattern that coherent signals are generating, you can use an interferometer, and that's the interferometer.

Wow. This is all amazing stuff. It's amazing. I feel like we're at the beginning of a very fascinating journey. I think that your work and this research and all the controversy is good. All the controversy around it is just going to make more people talk about it, more people discuss it, and more people understand. It just seems to me that the more they research it, the more the mystery opens up, and that it is without a doubt, one of the most astounding discoveries in human history.

Yes. So thank you, Joel.

Congratulations on discovering it, and thank you so much for all your hard work because, like I said, it's, to me, one of the most fascinating subjects. And what Graham always speaks of is that we are a species with amnesia.

Yes. And I agree with that.

And it's one of the reasons why so many people are mad at him is because he was right. He was right in the 1990s. And as time goes on, he is being proven more and more to be correct. And things just seem to keep getting older.

Yes.

It's amazing. Thank you so much for being here. I really, really appreciate your time and I appreciate your work.

Thank you for inviting me.

My It's my pleasure. Let's do it again when more stuff comes out.

Okay. All right. I'm here.

If anybody wants to find more about this, where would you send them to? Is there a website that would give them more information if they want to do a deep dive?

Yes. I have a personal website, which is harmonicsar. Com, and I published the- Say that again, harmonicsar. Com, yes. Harmonicsar. Synthetic Aperture Radar, it's SAR.

So harmonicsar. Com. Yes. Filibe O'Biondi.

I'm me.

You're the man. Thank you, sir. Thank you. I really appreciate you being here. Thank you. All right. Bye, everybody.