Transcript of Bam Adebayo vs. Tyler Herro: Who Ya Got? | Local Hour

I remember the first day that Billy started to hate Tony. Do you guys remember what the first day was? Because there was a singular act at the beginning that triggered— that was the spark that would become the raging flame and bonfire that was Billy's hatred toward Tony.

Now I'm pitting cast members against each other that aren't even here.

Do you remember? Do any of you remember? Because, uh, the day that it happened was Tony was joining our show and he was on Instagram showing himself making a bunch of jumpers. And Billy's like, "No, man, our show's the show that misses the jumpers." And so since then, Tony's been trying to get a tryout with when the Big Three come into town, when— and I don't mean LeBron and Bosh and Wade, I mean Ice Cube's league. When the Big Three comes to town, uh, whenever there's anything at the arena across the street that involves professional basketball players, Tony tries to get in there. And I'm told he finally got in there. For the first time in 5 years, Tony has gotten in there, and so he's trying out for the Heat today.

Tende Tony, he's at Caseya Center right now. We will check in with him. I don't know the exact details, I just know he's trying out for something.

I did not pit these cast members against each other, they pit themselves against each other. Roy, do you remember Billy's reaction to Tony on Instagram draining a bunch of jumpers from distance, and Billy like, what are you doing? That's not what our show is. Our show misses the jumpers.

Yeah, it seemed like disgust. Coming out of Billy's face.

That's exactly what was coming out of his face and his mouth, uh, his eyes, just the entirety of the face was giving off disgust.

All right, but I like— I, before, obviously way before I started working on this show, I watched Roy. I was there. I was shagging fly balls. I watched Roy hit a home run over the blue scoreboard at Joe Robbie Stadium.

I told Carl this the other day, our head of audio. He was truly shocked by it.

I've never seen him—

I was there.

I have never seen anyone as We're not shocked by anything as Carl was to hear the news that Roy had hit a home run out of a Major League Baseball park.

Into the club seats, Dan. Like, it was one of the greatest athletic feats I've ever seen.

I love how offended Roy gets when we're shocked by that. He just looked back like, "I played baseball." It's like, Roy, I played high school baseball and I don't think I could hit one out of a Major League park.

Yeah, so did I.

He crushed it.

Chris Cody still is living off his opposite field single against Matt Lehto in high school. He's a rope.

In high school, a little blooper.

A little looper over the first baseman.

Hit so hard that the runner on second couldn't score. Right. Had to stop him at third. Hit too hard. Right fielder already has it.

I used the driver on a par 3. I got 2 inches within the cup.

I hit a home run in the media softball game at Marlins Park.

Yeah, you did.

That fence was about 180.

It was 9-0 with a 1.15 ERA, but no one's counting.

My, my baseball career ended. This is how it ended. I was on first base and because you guys just mentioned that a guy couldn't score from second because you hit the single so hard and And I just imagined that the guy on second was me because I'm not particularly fast. And my baseball career ended when there was a wild pitch and I tried to take second, but it came bounced off the backstop so fast that the catcher still threw me out at second. And that's how—

I've seen that happen. That's never a good look.

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I was trying to think whether there had ever in the history of South Florida sports been a story like Bam Adebayo punching Tyler Herro, whether anywhere in all the time that all of us have been talking about sports and beyond, if South Florida sports has a story that's that sort of juicy for those among us who chew on the dry drama and the soap opera of things. I have a lot of questions and I have a lot of thoughts on this because I think people are misunderstanding what happened here. This, uh, Heat team that just got done playing was among the least introspective Heat teams of my lifetime in terms of guys you talk to and do interviews with and just guys who think about basketball and little else. Like, there's not a lot of thought going on that you do interviews with these players like this, a team that's had Dion Waiters and Hassan Whiteside and a number of different players who aren't introspective. But this one is among the most recent one is among the worst 4 interviews that I've ever seen. I don't think of Bam and Tyler as spending a lot of time thinking about their feelings or expressing their feelings.

So I'll get to the, the details of this story in a second. But I need you, you guys to help me with some of the young people stuff in here because I don't know What is upsetting to Bam Adebayo about this quote in direct messages on social media to whoever it is Tyler Herro's second account was allegedly sending this to?

What a stupidity that is, right?

By the way, I mean, start there with the stupidities, but the quote from Tyler Herro, "If I'm healthy, they can't see me. Word to my mother." I haven't heard that since Vanilla Ice.

Like, "Word to your mother" is not something I have heard.

"Word to my mother" since Vanilla Ice was frauding his way pretending to be my Bammy when he was coming up in hip-hop and culturally appropriate.

But you can't see me. That's John Cena. That's John Cena.

But the word to my mother, if I'm healthy, they can't see me.

What does that mean? How did that make Bam so upset that Bam is punching Tyler Herro in a, in an incident that has no precedent that I can recall in South Florida history?

What a cell phone, if I'm healthy, is, especially for that player.

So here's what I've got for you guys on this story, because I do not believe that this is just about this. I believe it's both of them tied to this failure, and now one of them has been shipped to Milwaukee, and he didn't think that he was the problem. This is not a self-aware person. I think Tyler Herro thinks he's the best, and I think that Tyler Herro, uh, looks at what happened with the Miami Heat and wonders to himself over many years, why is Bam our sacred child?

I think this goes back to Tyler Herro in the bubble scoring 36 and what those guys expected to be versus what they were at the end. And whatever it is that tore apart McDaniel and Tua, when they— when those guys got torn apart by the pressure of being the epicenter for the blame, I think that's what happened here. You got two guys responsible, more responsible for how all this deteriorated over the last few years. And I don't think it's a coincidence that Bam waited until he wasn't a teammate to hit him. Like, I don't think that that's a coincidence that that did not happen when they were in the same uniform.

Yeah, agreed. One little bit of context here. There was a report from Barry Jackson, who does a tremendous job covering the Miami Heat. It was roughly, I want to say, midweek last week. Anywho, the report was that there was resentment among Miami Heat players that Bam was just never subject to trade rumors, that he was always off the table, that despite the team's mediocrity, Bam never had to go through what the other players had to.

And Barry said that right after the alleged punch.

All right. But like, that's such bullshit. And I'm not saying that Barry Jackson's report there is bullshit. It's bullshit that you look at that with no context. All right. Jimmy is subject to trade rumors because he's 36 years old and he wanted $55 million a season. And Tyler Herro is subject to trade rumors because they think he's a good player, but not a great player. And they'd like to get a better player. I like—

it's—

I don't know, it's, it's bullshit that other guys are upset that Bam wasn't subject.

I don't, I don't think it's bullshit. I think it's inner office dynamics, and it's why the Seattle Seahawks ended up hating their own quarterback, because he had a certain relationship with management that made them all more expendable because he was the guy who marched in lockstep with management. Like, I believe that what happened here, and we'll get more and more details, I look forward to seeing the video. We've got some Draymond Green sound where he admits that he was hurt after he punched Jordan Poole in the face.

He was hurt.

That Draymond Green was emotionally hurt after he punched Jordan Poole in the face and hurt his face. Jordan Poole's face.

I hope he can recover from that.

He was emotionally hurt because Udonis Haslem was among the critical people and he, and he said something that has some wisdom in it when it comes to criticism. Draymond Green says, I'm immune to the opinions of people I don't respect or care about, but I'm not immune to the opinions of people I do respect. And so when Udonis Haslem was critical of Draymond Green, who punched Jordan Poole in the leaked video while they were still teammates, here's what Draymond Green has to say about Udonis Haslem that has now pissed off Udonis Haslem.

And I remember one, one person went, when when the Jordan Poole incident happened with me was, who was really, really, really outspoken about this, about it, uh, who, who like everyone else didn't have a ton of context because you weren't there, but was really outspoken about it, and it really bothered me, was Udonis Haslem. And the reason it really bothered me is because, man, everybody can have an opinion, and your opinion is, is what your opinion is, but You know, I saw Udonis Haslem get into it with guys on teams that was younger than him before, à la Jimmy Butler. Um, I, I had seen that before, and then he came out and he like, that's ridiculous, you get into it with your young guy, I can't— but I would never— I can't believe you did that. And it really bothered me because I was like, damn, man, like, so this dude ain't never been in— and this dude ain't never been in practice where somebody get into a fight? Um, he never got into a fight in practice? Maybe not, he been in Miami the whole time. Uh, maybe they don't have fights in their practices, you know, the Heat— Heat, what is it, Heat culture or heat wave.

So when I first saw this, I was like, damn, this is two young guys Udonis Haslem raised. And yeah, they not on the same team no more, but if you raise this young guy in the light of what you were saying about me, and now he punches this young other young guy that y'all kind of co-raised, are you gonna have that same energy?

Do you think there will ever be a day— we're years removed from Draymond Green punching Jordan Poole. I believe it was in 2020 I think it was 2022. I think it was right after they won their title. So 4 years ago. Do you think there will ever be a day where Draymond, you know, realizes maybe what he did was shitty? Like, will he ever admit that punching Jordan Poole was wrong and stop looking for reasons and explanations why what I did was actually okay? Because it's the same as this and it's the same as this.

That's what he's doing right here. Because Draymond Green is at the center of a controversy that we haven't seen a whole lot of, and it scarred him, the trauma of that. It's not just the shame involved with the leaked video, it's also the idea that he's a shitty teammate when he's a championship teammate. Like, the idea that the part that scars Draymond there is the, uh, the sacredness of the small inner circle of the huddle. Outside it, he has looked like, because of one act, not the every day of it, the every year of it, he's looked at as somebody who is kind of shitty as a teammate in that circumstance. And so he's looking for comps, but there are no comps because we don't have video. Like, there There are no comps that you have of one teammate punching another unless—

that didn't even happen to Steve Smith. Like, Steve Smith was punching multiple teammates when he was a football player, but there's not video of it.

Yeah, I also want to suggest that that's not the only reason people think he's a bad teammate. Yes, that's the headline incident, but it's also the situations that he puts his teams in because of his own lack of control. Famously in the NBA Finals and in games, he's a hothead.

I mean, did he run Kevin Durant out of Golden State?

Golden State. Oh, but there is no chance, 0% chance, that whatever you think of Draymond as a bad teammate, he thinks he's a bad teammate. If you ask Draymond Green, are you a good teammate or are you a bad teammate, there is no way that he's answering that question, I'm a bad teammate.

And so when I talk about a lack of self-awareness, Draymond's actually somebody who I find very introspective. He's got a documentary, uh, where he's going to therapy to work—

it's on Amazon— to work on his anger control problems. I, I find him to be someone who's always exploring his feelings, but in this spot, I don't think he would have an accurate self-assessment of who he is.

But he has more information than we do on whether he's a good or bad teammate. We just have the public stuff.

Uh, I would agree that he probably lacks self-awareness there, especially considering this past season he decided to tell everybody that he is, uh, not a dirty player. I mean, how could you possibly say such a thing?

So Udonis comes back with a wordy response. Udonis doesn't do a whole lot of this. He's in the media game now, so this is beneficial for him to do some of it. But he just says to Draymond Green, if Draymond was upset by the lack of respect from Udonis before, he's going to be even more upset by this when he says, I see some things just don't change, lol. You was on suck a shit 4 years ago when you swung on Jordan Poole and you on suck a shit now. I usually don't engage, but since you went so far left left to get my attention. Here it is. Uh, this is a super rare thing. I've told you before that the Miami Heat thrive on conflict, like conflict. Pat Riley had no issue with Alonzo Mourning and Shaquille O'Neal getting in his face. He would always say, that's fine, say bleep you to me, but teach me something. Teach me something in the fire of the conflict. Uh, Shaq has been pulled out by security of like in, in his rage, and I would not want to see that man enraged because of how they with conflict.

But this is Bam hurt by what happened here in private because Bam, uh, really supportive of Tyler Herro.

Tyler Herro was really supported by Jimmy Butler. These guys publicly and privately were very supportive of Tyler Herro, and all that's happening here is two people who aren't terribly introspective are hurt. Bam, because of what Tyler said when they've always defended Tyler. Tyler, because he was traded and blamed for everything that happened here over the last few years. This has been building since Tyler scored 37 in the bubble. This is a— this is the net result of we're not allowed to fight each other when we're in the cauldron. It went— when we're in the cauldron, everything about what we're doing at work, much of it unpleasant, by the way.

I know a lot of people think think that basketball lifestyle is glamorous, and it is in some respects, and obviously the games and the money are lovely, but doing walkthroughs in ballrooms after you've arrived at 4 o'clock in the morning and traveling with these people everywhere, like, there are all sorts of tensions that fester. I don't believe this is just about this incident.

I believe that this is the perfect punctuation on the failure of this core.

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Dan Levitar.

Jessica thinks you're pathetic. I saw the look on her face. It can never be the lane to victory back.

No, I think Jeremy's pathetic.

Jeremy just—

You should hear him back here.

It's so sad. Absurd theater kid basketball analysis line that I've ever heard from him.

Jeremy Tatché.

My dad was talking about the adjustments that Spo made and criticizing him last night.

And Jeremy, just back here, his adjustments were spectacular.

It's just like they lost.

They're down 0-2.

This is the Dan Levitan Show.

I get you're saying that these guys are hurt and Tyler is hurt because he was traded, but Tyler got in front of a microphone on the same day and told everyone how everything is good with Miami. I respect all those guys, the coaches, the front office. He named a bunch of guys by name, but it's Bam that he's— as if Bam traded him. He's talking shit about Bam behind his back to some random fan, which again is just mind-numbing stupidity, as if the fan wasn't going to screen grab and then post what you said about Bam in a bio. Like, that's— it's snake behavior, Dan. Like, why is he speaking that way about Bam, about any of his teammates?

It's really surprising with Bam in particular. Tyler, because like Dan mentioned, like, Bam always had Tyler's back publicly and privately.

Be mad at the organization.

Amidst, amidst a really turbulent time, not just for the team, but for specifically Jimmy, Bam, and Tyler. And as everything ended with Jimmy and he sort of threw both guys to the side, Bam, who had been there as his wingman the entire time, Tyler, who was a guy that he initially built up as, as basically a kid those two bonded over that. They were close. They were Kentucky guys. And Bam was always hyping up Tyler. And I think really you got to a space about near the trade deadline of this year where finally, as Tyler had constant unavailability on the floor and Bam was a guy who constantly played through nagging injuries to try to will this team even to the play-in, he grew frustrated. They started to have resentment and Tyler eventually became a guy who said, no, no, no, I'm great, which is, by the way, the only reason he got to be this great, that irrational confidence.

Oh, but wait a minute, though. When you say irrational confidence, it lacks some self-awareness because you've got at the core of this one thing, which is Tyler Herro is not going to look in a mirror and say, I'm not good enough.

He's going to look somewhere else for who's not good enough.

So you have that.

But the other layer to this that you guys, I think, are missing is Bam is a pillar of professionalism, but Bam is also an extension on the court of all of management the way Udonis Haslem was. And that has a resentment in it when you're not one of the teacher's pets. Bam has been treated with great respect by this organization because he gives this organization great respect. This is the worst public moment Bam has ever had. I'm not even sure this organization goes after 83 points if it's Tyler Herro who's going after him. Do you think so? Do you guys think it's— it's like the favoritism is earned, but it's still favoritism. Like, they absolutely favor Bam, and I don't think Tyler's checking a mirror when he sees that favoritism happening.

But that's the business though. Also, I don't think we can continue to say he's a pillar of professionalism.

I don't know about that.

I don't, I don't think so, guys. Like, I've marinated on this because I did the heat rah-rah thing, like, yeah, this is cool, punch him in the face, screw him, talking that shit. And I realized after about a day, it's kind of whack. This is, this is a bad look, popping somebody in the face because they just talk shit about you because of, like, with a burner account. Like, he's gone. Like, punching him on the way out and making Tyler Herro a joke. And I know, like, maybe Davion Mitchell was looking at somebody else Oh no, he was fully like messing with Jaime Jaquez Jr.

on the other end, but they're boys, like they're close, they were just working out together.

Pulling these guys on the way out when the entire team, the entire core was, you know, very disappointing. It's not the cool look that people think it is. It is actually a lot closer to Draymond-Jordan Poole behavior than it is to Heat culture.

I don't know if I agree with this just simply because the details that at least we've been told so far are not that like Bam went and sought out Tyler to make up for what had happened with these DMs.

No, it seems like that is what happened.

No, it seems like he walked onto the court and then Tyler started talking to him from across the way.

Yeah, but it went up.

But he was frustrated. He was, he was, he was hurt after everything that we were talking about.

Why would Bam be going into the ballroom where Tyler's AAU team's playing?

To work out. Guys, I, I really do think this misses some things, okay? I don't know if you guys fight with your significant others and if those fights are always about the thing it's about, but this is the last drop in bucket that's making the bucket overflow.

And one of the things you could look at is Bam got his money, Jimmy and Tyler didn't get their extensions. Like, start there. Like, you can make it about everything else, but this ain't about DMs. Like, this is about workplace for the last several years as they were building something in a cauldron where conflict is the norm. It's, it's a feature, not a bug. Like, you're talking about preferential treatment for Bam.

I think it's earned.

He plays hard on both ends and he's available all the time. That's why he's an extension of management. They needed one after Udonis left. He's the guy. Udonis has been there for 20 bleeping years as the extension on the court, the same way that the quarterback's the extension for management on the court. You saw what happened with Russell Wilson after they won a championship. This didn't win a championship. This collapsed at the end. And Bam got his money. Bam got his money and his favoritism and his preferred status. Is. And Tyler, in the shadows, says something different, allegedly, according to what— what— this is his second account, right? This isn't even Tyler Hero's actual account. It's known to be his second. It's not even a secret account, but it's him in disguise, is it not? This is him doing something in the shadows as he puts on the public face because he doesn't want the problems with management, but he's already got the problems with Bam.

It's a circus. It's a circus for a mediocre team. This isn't like championship DNA stuff. I'm a Heat rah-rah guy. I love you de-invoking Tim So you got it.

You got to take—

Oh, you better mention that he invoked Glenn. Do not gloss over him saying, and Glenn.

I think you got to take a step back and say, like, this shit happens to bad teams. Like, this isn't nearly as cool as I thought initially.

Okay. So it's interesting that you say that.

I think it's kind of— it's kind of unprofessional and a little circusy.

Okay.

It's interesting that you say that part because I'll back up for a moment as far as the incident goes. Like, I do think there's part of it where I like what Bam did because it's enough with just in general talking shit on social media. Like, that's the lamest thing. And burner accounts and DMs and talking shit. It's— that whole deal is lame, okay? It's like when Mike Tyson said, we forget the way we talk on the internet that sometimes you can get punched in the face. But taking— setting that aside for a second here, I do I do agree with what Mike is saying from the respect of one of the things I love about the Miami Heat, about the organization, is they don't get involved in the bullshit. They don't get involved in the nonsense. The main thing is the main thing, and it's basketball, and it's being serious about basketball. And right now, the Heat are in the middle of the bullshit. Like, the same way that Dion Waiters is, you know, taking too many gummies and spazzing out, and they gotta land the plane. Like, that's bullshit that my team is not supposed to be in the headlines for, and that's embarrassing to me.

So that's— from that respect, I don't like this because this is the bullshit that this team usually avoids.

Okay, but to Mike's point about this being over the last year a bit of an irrelevant mediocre franchise, the only times in the last year that the Miami Heat have been a part of a conversation of any kind that's national is when they trade for Giannis, when Bam gets 83, or this.

This.

Everything else is irrelevant.

It's a regional sports team over the last year, and the things that they're doing are not interesting to anybody nationally.

Before that, it was the bullshit of Jimmy Butler. Like, the national stories around this team are not celebrating the play. It's nonsense.

Also, socked him without hesitation and, and going at Tyler Hero. You don't get cool points and badass points for socking Tyler Hero. Yeah, I'd hope it's without hesitation. It's Tyler Hero. Have you seen the video of him using the punch and the punching bag. Like, no, it's like bullying a child on the way out. It's just circusy. It feels— it's Washington Wizards behavior. It's not championship behavior. And I know I'm playing the result because this team is perpetually in the play-in, but this— we have to— we— people have been breathless saying that this is an all-time moment and pounding their chest and heat, all that. This is embarrassing.

I don't know who's saying that. I do know that Jeremy's about to punch you in the face because he disagrees.

Can you imagine?

This is funny though, looking at Jeremy. Like, Jeremy seems like one of the last people I would ever think to be pro-fight, but the Heat do it and he's like, come on.

If the Celtics did this, Jeremy would be laughing at what a shit show they—

the fact that you're looking, you're trying to spin this like, oh, this is good, this is a good thing.

Don't lie.

If the Celtics did this, we'd all be laughing at what a shit show they became.

He's not—

I—

the way I have interpreted Jeremy's theatrical faces is not that he's good with how cool the fight was, it's that he disagrees with just about everything Mike's saying.

That's the way I've I just don't really understand. Look, I get, I get the, the element of this that does feel like it's not the standard on the court, you know, Udonis Haslem and David West, things like that.

Right.

But I think that Bam was legitimately hurt by the way that this ended. And again, the way that this has been reported is not that he went and sought him out. Out, everyone is in this hotel ballroom working out. And if Tyler, after those DMs leak and after he posted a graphic on that same Instagram talking about how Giannis and Bam are in the bottom 10 in mid-range field goal shooting, and Bam is sitting there like, dude, I backed you up time and time again. And by the way, the whispers over and over again again, where that basically Tyler, when he wouldn't dress, it was because he wouldn't play unless he was feeling 100% because he didn't want to get the blame if he played poorly, while Bam was out there playing through everything. He was the captain, he was the leader, he had the guys' back. And at the end of it, that type of betrayal happens.

Let me ask you, I can understand the frustration, that's all. Let me ask someone, do you think the Heat are happy this happened?

No, of course not. Of course not. But also, there's a fire there that they might like.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh, I'd be real curious for the honest thoughts of Pat Riley and Udonis Haslem on this because I'm less sure than you are on this based on this part of what I know about this team and, and who leads it. Pat Riley was very close friends with the Van Gundys, very close friends, and he torched the friendship with Jeff Van Gundy before a Game 7 against the Knicks publicly by just— he actually— I wrote a column, they called me from a boat to torch that friendship because he wanted the stakes higher in that Game 7 and just set fire to the friendship. Pat Riley has lifers and loyalists who work for him because once you work for someone else, you're not with him anymore. You're not on his team anymore.

And so I'm less sure than you are.

I don't know.

I do not know. I have not talked to him. About this, but I'm less sure than you are, given whatever the frustrations are with Tyler Herro here, how upset they actually are that this is the end result of the punctuation of— and really, after all that, you're going to talk shit in the shadows? You're not even going to say it in my face? You're not even— you're not even gonna say it to me? You're gonna do it from a burner account with some random fan outside of our circle, and then you're gonna go in front of everybody and say the bullshit I'm fine with everybody on the Heat, but on the internet I'm eating up bullshit.

Interestingly enough, I think the Heat would have been more okay with him doing it on the court.

100%. 100%. And knowing what I know about Bam, I'm not friends with him, but I'd say if anybody kind of regrets the actions of a few days ago, it might be Bam the most. Guys, if talking shit behind someone's back in the workplace was was the barometer for socking them in the face, we'd see this every day in the NBA. It's not—

I—

yeah, doing it from a burner account, it's bullshit. Talking shit behind someone's back is bullshit. It's not worth punching somebody in the face over in a public place, bringing this kind of attention to the franchise. It's a circus. And I'm 100% right that if it happened to the Celtics, Jeremy would be on their ass.

I would really need to know which players.

I think if the Heat had that much of a problem with it, there would be punitive measures for embarrassing them.

They might be handling that in-house.

Oh, I think the league's going to punish.

Well, the league might punish, but the Heat aren't commenting.

They don't even have a comment. The Heat, the Heat don't even have a comment saying we don't condone violence. Like, it's just no comment.

There's no comment. And there's a video of Bobby Portis doing an introduction on social media and Bam walking up and shoving him and basically calling him an asshole and them getting along that way. So I think that's all the comment that you need.

Need.

People may not remember Bobby Portis's rookie year. He punched out cold one of his teammates in Chicago.

Usually the fights in, uh, sports are over women or gambling debts. They're not over, uh, hurt feelings.

And that was a circus. It is pretty much always a circus when something like this happens. The Heat are not immune to it, especially when they don't have the recent success to point to. What I'm just saying is let's catch our breath. This isn't nearly as cool, and punching Tyler Herro isn't nearly as cool as you think it is. It's a pretty easy mark.

Down, Levitar!

There's sunglasses in boxes today, but in my bed in the hospital, ending our lives all the same.

Jeremy Tatché!

It's the final nightgown.

This is the Dan Levatar Show.

Bonus points if you remember which teammate Portis punched out.

Wasn't Rondo.

Niko Mirotić.

No, top shelf, huh?

I can't remember, uh, this ever happening in South Florida sports before. Uh, the closest thing I have to it is the Blades brothers used to throw weights at each other in the weight room when they'd get mad at each other.

Yeah, everybody would scamper.

They'd throw the dumbbells at each other.

There is presently a case in litigation for several years on end involving the University of Miami football team.

Can't think of anything I'd want thrown at me less than a dumbbell.

Hot soup?

A knife.

Very fine.

Shout out Jair Smith.

The part of this though, as, as Mike says, uh, circus again and again, and Mike says people think it is cool, I'm not absorbing or hearing any of what is cool here. I've rarely heard that a fight like this between especially these two, where I think most people looking at this would just physically looking at it, that this is bullying.

Like, that if Tyler Herro punching Bam would be something that would be something more surprising than Bam punching Tyler Herro. But it is weird that it is Bam, and you guys are skipping right past the part I keep bringing up, which is at the end, McDaniel and Tua thought they had a good relationship right up until everything started flaming out and blame had to be assigned. And then their relationship fell apart. Bam and Hero thought they had a good relationship, and then the Celtics passed them, and the Knicks passed them, and the Hawks passed them. And none of that was supposed to happen when Tyler Hero was scoring 37 in the bubble. And when you're living with that every day and everyone's wondering, hey Tyler, can you get better? And Tyler's like, I'm plenty good enough. It's not my fault. This isn't my fault. What about this guy? What about the guy they gave the money to? Think about that for a second. There is no one with the willing to say Bam's not good enough. Everyone says he's untradeable. No one says that of Bam except Mike Ryan. Like, people who are frustrated, fans who are frustrated with Bam, but no one inside of the organization says Bam's not good enough.

Now Tyler's the one giving voice to it, and it's because once Jimmy left, it was the two of them. And then who else you gonna blame? This isn't Bam fighting the third player. It's not the fourth player. It's the two who are getting the blame as not good enough. I think that's the core of it, where Tyler's still saying, "It ain't my fault." You saw me. You saw what I did when I'm healthy. Word to your mother.

Tyler Herro was in trade rumors for 5 consecutive years. His experience down here in Miami every summer was, I guess I'm going to Houston. Oh, I might be going to Milwaukee this time. Is it going to be Portland? So I can understand him not thinking that the gulf between him and Bam is like, wait, Bam's living this charmed life every year. Here, just the golden boy of the organization and never subject to this, even though they're always fishing for superstars and he'd be an easy name to throw in to acquire a superstar that is perceived as better. I can understand there being animosity there, some bitterness.

Should the animosity be the organization then?

But I— but dude, I think this happens everywhere, everywhere. And sometimes when this stuff happens, we don't hear about it. I, I guarantee you there have been several instances of teammates getting in fights that we never hear about it.

But Zazz, when you say shouldn't his anger be at the organization, it is. Bam is the representative for this organization. The comps that we have on this locally are Incognito and Jonathan Martin, but that doesn't have reports of hitting, physical contact, a fight being won or lost.

It doesn't have— that example. Udonis went at Jimmy Butler in protection of Spohbe, and, and we clucked plenty about that, but it doesn't have someone being hit. It doesn't, it doesn't rise to the level of physical confrontation that is people being pulled apart. It's just one dude being punched and taking it, right? Because it's not—

the way that I've read about the accounts of this, and I'm surprised that there's not more video, it's just Tyler Herro taking a punch.

It's not several punches. It's not knocking him out. Do you think this is much different? It has to be much different if we could see it, right? I think the reaction to this is much different if all of a sudden you see Tyler Herro crumbling. If there's— if what happened to Jordan Poole is something that makes you feel bad for Tyler Herro.

It's only a matter of time. You got to think. There is video. We just haven't seen it yet. But this happened in a Las Vegas hotel ballroom.

There's video.

There has to be video. In fact, there's nowhere where there are more cameras than in a Las Vegas hotel.

Like, in terms— if you want to talk about the stupidity of this, doing it in a Las Vegas hotel is at the top of the list on dumb things given how many cameras there are. And I wonder how much the conversation of this is going to change if you see Tyler Herro crumble the way we saw Jordan Poole crumble. Jordan Poole still hasn't recovered from that punch, by the way. This, this kind of public shaming— Tyler Herro's in his shower this morning, and I should have done this, and I could have done that, and I would have said this, and what if I had done that?

Because all he's getting now is, oh really, you're just the submissive who gets hit and then— and, and talk shit in private, and you don't do anything?

I mean, look, it's not just about Tyler Herro and Jordan Poole. We heard Draymond, he's having a hard time dealing with it as well. He's very hurt.

I, I think Izzy made the point on the Draymond front that Draymond's kind of grasping at straws here, looking at the Miami Heat to kind of legitimize his bullshit, which is a bit different. And my argument is, yeah, it's different, but it's not that different.

Well, it's different because it's not happening in a closed practice among just your inner circle that is then leaked to the public. This is something that is happening with a former teammate. And it—

we don't— we still don't know what Jordan Poole— I mean, Pablo Torre found out, but we have not heard from the participants what Jordan Poole did.

And what he did, according to Pablo Torre Finds Out, is he talked money. And that's what fights are about in this sport. And it's what this one is about.

Like, we're going to make it about other stuff, but bam, got his extension and the other two guys didn't.

That's 100% what happened. Like, in the end here, Tyler this year is playing on an expiring contract. He always thought he was going to get extended. Ultimately, it was his availability, not necessarily his production.

By the way, 33 games this year.

Right? Right?

I just, what's making me laugh is like we're all talking about Tyler Herro like he's a child when he's a 6'5" NBA player, and I just can't believe you guys are turning me, me, Jeremy Tashae, into the talk shit, get hit guy. How am I that person in this conversation?

Can we play the game what would Bam have to do for Jeremy to criticize him? Ooh.

If the punch was like my mom. My dad, nah.

What if Bam spit in your face? Bless you.

Was he joking? Was it just playful?

I think he says to his mom, uh, Mom, talk shit, get hit. Yeah, I think his mom—

what'd you say?

Yeah, Tina, what did you say to Bam?

Uh, last week, incidentally, I mentioned and then never got back to it that ESPN.com had done a top 10 list of best edge rushers. They have now— Chris, they have now I was working on a top 10 list of best tackles in professional football. And when I was saying over the course of the last few months that the Dolphins don't have any players that anyone wants to trade for or any players that anyone in the audience cares about—

you see my guy?

Yeah.

Well, you kept mentioning Patrick Paul and— well, yeah, you just call him Paul because you think that's his first name, his last name, that he just play as Paul like the Brazilian soccer players. So I'm reading the list of top tackles.

Where was he at?

Well, Patrick Paul, I'm ashamed to say, was not in the top 10.

Honorable mention?

Was also not in the 5 honorable mentions, and unfortunately was also not in 7 others who were receiving votes.

The bullshit list.