Transcript of South Beach Sessions - Vince Wilfork

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We've got Miami Hurricane Royalty in the Now, he's two-time Super Bowl champion, national champion in college football, five-time Pro Bowler. I say this as compliment, not insult. Half the man he used to be because Vince Wilfork has slimmed down and gotten healthy. Nice to see you, sir.

It's a pleasure. But the heart's still the same. No matter how much I wear or lose, the heart still stays.

Well, you've always been saluted for your heart. I'm going to read some Belichick quotes to you that are very flattering because he calls you one of the greatest leaders ever. But I told you before we When you started here, I was hoping to do some of this stuff biographically with you. So when did you know you were going to be a football player? Because I've read that you told your parents very early.

Yeah, around four or five years old, I told my father, I want to be an NFL football player. At a very young age, I understood who I was when it comes down to what I wanted to do. That's what I wanted to do. That's all I wanted to do. That's all I wanted to know about. And my father, he used to coach some football back in the day. So I only played one season of football, and that was flag because of my size and my age. So I used to go to practice all the time with my dad and watch him coach. And when they do drillss, I'm on a side doing it myself. When it was time for them to condition, I would go on a side and condition with them. And that's how I kept up with football. And I went all that years. My childhood, I went all those years without playing no football after my first time playing it because either I was I was too young or I was too big. It was the weight limit or your age. And I used to miss both of them. So my next time playing football after that was in high school.

So between four and five years old to high school, I played basketball. Basketball was my sport. And I was a pretty good basketball player. And when I got to high school, my high school coach, he thought for sure I was going to pick in to play in basketball because that's all I did. But I was like, No, I'm going to play football. And he looked at me, he Listen, you haven't played football since you was four or five years old. All you used to do is play basketball, the tournament, the AAU. He used to watch me play. He was like, You're picking football? I'm like, Yeah, that's what I want to do.

But not as a defensive tackle, right? Nobody It comes to be a defensive tackle as a child.

But my father was a great high school football player. He was known around town as... Could have been one of those ones to make it, but some other stuff happened in his life. And what was more important to at that time was starting a family. So he chose family over football. So I think I've always lived my dream through my father. So every time he got a chance before he passed away to see me play, that was always a blessing. And I always wanted to make my father proud. And I knew me and my father's connection was sports. Everything else but, yeah, sports was like, yeah. Even my brother, my father was this sports guy, and we watched every sport. You name it, we watched it. It didn't matter. And that's where I get all my grit from, my grind from, understanding how to be a professional, understanding how to play the game, how to respect the game, how to respect people, because my father taught me all that. And I used to watch my father, how he communicated with his friends while he was coaching, and then the players as he was coaching, just how he communicated and interacted with them.

And so I took all of that from my father and said, Hey, I want to mold myself. I'm a football player. That's what I wanted to be. I'm going to put everything in this I asked it to be this. And once I got to high school and I really started taking this seriously and playing, it was a no doubt for me. I never played JV. I never played freshman. I started varsity All four of my years, my first year in high school, I was a defensive end, 275 pounds, defensive end. And then the next year, they moved me into defensive tackle. And I'm talking with my coach. I'm like, wow, I am. My father played defensive in, was number 75. I played defensive end, wearing 75, that's what I wanted to do. Why are you moving me to tackle? I really didn't understand it at the time, but sophomore year, I was 300 pounds. That's a big difference. To me, I'm like, I don't care about that. But he was like, No, this is your position. At first, I was rebellious. I didn't want to do it. But once I started understanding and learning the game and just following...

I grew up a Hurricane's fan, so I've always watched Warren Sapp and Cortez Kennedy, Russell Mallet, understand who Jerome Brown was and the tradition of defensive tackles. And that's what my coach explained to me. He's like, Listen, you're going to be in the line with these legendary defensive tackles that came out of University of Miami. And once I saw it like that, I was all in. And that's how I started becoming a defensive tackle my second year in high school, and I never looked back from them. A lot of people don't understand is when I got to New England, I had to learn how to be a nose tackle. I I didn't. I had no clue how to two gap or how to be a nose tackle. So that was a whole new position.

That's crazy. Belichick says you're the best two gap defensive tackle he's ever seen in 43 years of coaching.

And I had to learn that.

You had to learn it in the pros.

I had to learn it in the pros. So when I got drafted in New England, and I got drafted, they just got rid of probably the best nose tackle ever with Ted Washington, right? True nose tackle. When you talk about nose tackle in two gap, he's the top dog. So they got rid of him and they drafted me. And you and him, I'm penetrating defensive tackle. I play one eye, two eye, three techniques. We were going. We was hitting and getting it. And when I got there, they were like, No, we're not doing that. And I'm like, What you mean we're not doing this? It's how we make plays. What do you mean? So he's like, No, we don't do that here like that. I'm going to teach you how to two gap.

And your job is not to get moved.

Yeah, I can't get moved. I have to take a beating. I have to take double teams. I have to basically hold up blockers for guys behind me to make plays. That's a two gap in those tackers. So at first it was rough. It was tough because I'm used to just hitting it and getting it in. I had to really learn that position, and it took me three years. It took me three years to learn that position. Once I finally got to a point and said, You know what? I'm a nose tacker now. Now I have to be the best I possibly can now. When I got out of my pouting phase and I don't want to do this, I want the sags, I want the TFA. Once I got out of that mindset and really focused and locked in on learning how to be a two gap nose tackle, it was light scammer action.

Explain to the audience or strangers what the relationship with your father was, because You were a caretaker before you were 10 years old, right?

Oh, yeah, absolutely. At eight years old, my father was in and out of the hospital. When I was eight, my brother was 10, we took care of my father. My mom was in and out of work. Sometimes she wasn't working. When she was working, we all was taking care of my father. I remember being 10 years old, me and my brother taking care of my father, and at the same time, having my grandmother pass away in my arms, me and my brother arms at 10. So not only did we have to handle my dad, now we had to make sure and take care of my grandmother who died in our arms. I remember, it's one, two o'clock in the morning, we're driving to go to the hospital. My mom driving, and she, my mom's crying. Me and my brother, we sitting in the back seat, basically holding my grandmother while she's deceased. At least. And that's at 10 years old. So that woman, she was like a mother to me and my brother. I tell my wife all the time, I love to be rubbed. And the reason I love to be rubbed is because that's where comfort...

That's where comfort, that's what my grandmother did to me every night. And mind you, my grandma was probably 80 pounds, but she would lay me across her lap and she would rub my back every night, and she would put me to sleep. So I tell my wife all the time, Well, my grandmama did it to me. So it's a comfort for me to be touched and be rubbed, to be nurtured. Because my life just wasn't set up like a typical kid, where I can play, I can do this, I can have friends, I can go here. I didn't have that because me and my brother, we had a responsibility at a young age to take care of my father. We never once felt bad about doing it. This was just something we did. We loved my father so much. It didn't matter. But my father used to always tell us, I don't want to be a burden to you guys. As a kid, I'm like, I don't care. I don't hear that. We don't care about that. You're our father. We're going to make sure you're good. It was times where my father would feel good enough, and either it was my brother or me.

We would get out of school, drive home, pick my father up, bring him to the practice, get ready to the practice, and practice, and we all go home together. And that was daily. When my father felt up to him and he was having a good day and he wanted to be out to football practice, we would go get him. We would take time before practice, just go home and him so he can be out here because my father loved that and he loved us and he loved the guys. He loved my teammates and my friends and stuff. He loved that stuff. So everybody used to call my dad a coach because he would get on anybody. He would coach anybody. It didn't matter. He always have a saying, It's hard, but it's fair. I have a buddy of mine all the time. He'll text me, It's hard, but it's fair. Every time he say that, I'm thinking of my father. Our relationship was really good. It wasn't a normal relationship where we just had the freedom just to be a kid because we did it. Our freedom was taking care of my father. So a lot of stuff in life, even now, it's a lot of stuff that I have to learn at an old age and not to put on top of it, that Being 20, 21, 22, 23 years old, now all of a sudden get drafted.

My dream come true. Now I don't have my parents, my father. So all this money. So where's my job and what my dream to be, I've got it. So why do I have to worry about learning certain stuff? Because I'm where I'm wanting to be, but it doesn't work like that. You still have to have some stuff in your life. You have to learn and you have to teach yourself. You have to educate yourself on some stuff. And we all go through that. I was no different. But at the end of the day, I wouldn't change anything. The only thing I would change is to keep having my parents here. But my process and how I had to go through my process and things I had to do to make things happen and make it shake, I wouldn't change any of that if I was put in the same situation.

Oh, but the way that you're talking about this, you lost your parents months apart while you were in college, and they were both in their 40s. I remember when that happened to you, reading and feeling heartbreak on your behalf. What suffering is that to be able to deal with that at that age?

I lost my father June fifth, my mother's birthday, June sixth. I I lost my father June fifth. A couple of days before that, I would go see my father all the time in the hospital. Once I leave school, I'm in college, once I leave school, I'll shoot up to Boynton to see my father and just to talk to him and just be around him. I would do that every day. And last time I did it, I don't know if it was God or what, but something... My father used to always say, Give me your national championship ring because you're going to lose it. Because I was known to lose everything. And I always tell my dad, No, I'm not going to give you this. I'm not going to lose. I'm not going to lose it. But something was on me that my last time seeing my father alive, I called my mom, I'm saying, Hey, how's pop's doing? He was like, He haven't talked all day. He just being stubborn. I said, Okay, I'm on my way. And I said, Let me go pick my ring up because I'm going to give it to him.

So I go pick my ring up and I get there. I bust in the room like, pops, what's up? And he know my voice and he popped up. Hey, son. I said, I got something for you. So I put the ring on his hand and on his finger. And I'm talking about he was filled with... He was overjoyed. I mean, he couldn't stop talking. Now, mind you, this was a guy that went all day not talking to nobody, not talking to the nurses, nothing. But now all of a sudden, he had this energy. So I felt good about leaving. But I know what my father been through because I've been through it with him. I've seen him. Me and my brother, we saw it. So we knew my father. Over 20 Eighteen years, my father struggled, but he kept pushing. He kept pushing. But I knew that day, I'm like, Okay, I made him happy. So I get in the car, head back home, and my mom called me. Yo, Daddy, he called all the nurses in here, showing me your ring, so my dad was happy. I went home and I said, Hey, everything is doing good.

He's fine. He's excited. He got the ring. The next day, they called me and told me he passed. I believe it, but at the same time, it was a peace because I know how much my father struggled. He never let us see him struggle or feel down. He never did that. My father was a strong individual, mentally and physically. He was just strong, strong, strong. So when I got that phone call, it hurt me. It hit me because my relationship, the only thing I was doing is like, when I make it, you guys don't have to worry about nothing else. You're going to We used to talk about what car you want. My daddy wanted an Escalier. My mama wanted a Lexus. What type of house you want. I got you whatever house you want. We got it. So it was like me. I was playing for my parents. But when I lost my dad, it was heartbreaking because of our relationship. But I understood that he was getting close. It was just he lost that battle. So I put it somewhere, and I was 20 at the time. Six months from that, November seventh, my birthday is November fourth.

So my birthday comes, November fourth. We're about to go play Tennessee, and Coach Coker called me. He was like, You can't make the trip. Your mama had a stroke. I'm like, My mom had a stroke? What? So I'm like, Okay. My first game ever, my only game I ever missed in college was going to check my mom after having that stroke. And I'm, Here you are. I'm 20 when my father passed away. My mama just turned 46 the following day. My birthday, November fourth, I turned 21. And November seventh, my mama had a stroke. So that caught me by surprise. That one, it caught me by surprise big time because my mom, she was a big lady, but for the most part, she was healthy. And I'm like, Man, my father not my mama. So automatically I'm thinking like, Man, what's going to happen to her? I just went through it with my father. What's going to happen to my mama? All the normal stuff I'm sitting here thinking. And I got football, and I got a baby on the way. So it's like a lot of this stuff going on in my life right now.

I'm trying to figure it out at 21 years old, trying to figure it out. And mom got to a point where she was okay, and we were pretty confident where she was. She was coming home soon, doing her rehab and all that stuff. She was doing fine with all of that. And sure enough, I get a phone call. Mama passed, December 16th. Now, I can't remember that Christmas. The only thing I remember is I quit. I quit football. I was done because people have to realize I'm not a selfish person. I played football for my parents to get them out of what they were in, seeing the struggles, being poor, being in the hood, seeing a lot of killings and being around a lot of stuff. So my whole objective was being a great football player for my parents, but now I don't have them. So it was like, I'm done. I don't care about this. Whatever. And that was my mindset. To my defensive line coach, he pulled me to the side one day and he was like, Listen, He was going through some personal issues that year, and he told me what those personal issues were.

And all I can remember was us being clowns at the University of Miami, the defensive line. It was like every day after practice, he had to leave. And we used to always joke him, like, You don't love us. You never watch a film with us. You never spend time with us. So we used to always joke him. But when he told me why he was doing that in that moment, I felt bad. I felt bad. And he was like, I'm not telling you what to do, but just understand, do what your parents would want you to do. He's like, I know both your parents. I know your daddy very well. I know exactly what he wants you to do. He said, I'm not telling you what to do, but just do what they want you to do. And I wasn't trying to hear. I'm 21 years old, just lost two parents within six months from one another. I don't want to hear that mess. And once the desk settled and everybody was gone, I took some time out and really think about it. I called the team and said, Hey, I'll meet you guys out in Arizona for the bowl game.

I think I got there, I don't know, a Tuesday, I can't remember. It was such a fog, but I got there late. I just remember Andrew Swayze, our conditioning coach, he was just running me just to get me back going, just to shake you like, Hey, condition, condition. You missed a lot of practice. You're going to play? We got the condition. We got the condition. And I always hated condition. But in that moment, I didn't care. I was a zombie, but all I knew was football. I went out and I played that game, and I really don't remember it. If I watch clips now, some of those things I don't remember. I now remember us being robbed. I remember that. But even that, it didn't do nothing for me. I had no emotions towards a football game.

I can't even imagine the fog you were in. How long were you in that fog?

I was in that fog for the rest of my life, honestly, because I grew up in a household that our communication skills weren't good. We had so much other stuff that's going on in my life, and in our household, communication wasn't one of them. So I didn't learn how to communicate. You understand? So that haunted me still to this day. I have a bad problem communicating certain things because that was just part of my life. I never learned. I never had time to because why everybody was out dating, when they're having fun, figuring out who they were. I was taking care of my father, me and my brother. That's what we were doing. We didn't have the luxury to do all of that stuff. No, we didn't have that luxury. We had school, football, We're all home. That's it. We're talking about at a young age. It took me a while to understand who I am, why I am the way I am. I'm not telling you everything is good because it's not. It's not. It's things and problems and issues I have as an adult that stem back from my childhood that I have to fight those demons.

But I'm willing to put the work in anything. I never shied away from work.

It doesn't sound like you had a childhood, though.

No, I didn't. But it's okay. God blessed me to have a successful career and a successful life, be around some good people, great people. Sometimes, some of my friends didn't work out. My first marriage didn't work out, but it's okay. We all learn and we grow. It's just being, surround yourself with the right people that's going to tell you the right stuff, not just be yes men.

When you say that you have communication issues, and you were too busy surviving, right? To learn certain skills. Absolutely. What does it entail taking care of your father for those who don't understand what that is at a usual?

You have to understand. My father was at a point where He couldn't walk. He had to use the restroom. We have to physically pick him up, take him to the restroom. That was constantly. My father would be so weak. My father would be so down. My father He would try to do stuff himself, but he'll fall. Because my father was this guy that he never wanted us to see him down. Never. So he would try. We called my father so many times Up and about, moving around, had no business doing it. But that's my father, and my father's a man, so I know what it means for my father to be able to go fix a sandwich or give him a drink of water himself. But at the same time, I know the state that he's in as well. So a lot of times my father fell and we find him on the ground. And luckily that we're around, we can hear it, and he's on the ground. We get frustrated, but at the same time, we're the kids. I could sit there and say, Why are you up? You can't be doing like, We're the kids.

At the end of the day, I'm going to honor my mother and my father, whatever that entails. I'm going to do that. And that's how me and my brother work. And my brother My brother had the same opportunity that I had with football, but he's older. So my brother's seeing a lot more things than I did. It had to be a part of a lot more stuff than I did because guess what? I was in school. I can be there 24/7 with my parents, with my father. My brother was, though. So my brother's seeing a lot of stuff. Until this day, my brother hate hospitals. I do, too, because he was there every day. You got to understand, from '90 to '92, my dad was in the hospital. Out of those two years, he probably was home probably a month in those two years, all in all. Who was with him? My brother, 24/7. That was his deal. So my brother stood in the paint and did a lot of stuff for my parents, and it started his grow. It's tough. It's hard, but I don't complain in life. I try to figure out and find solutions.

I don't want nobody having pity for me, but just understand. That's why a lot of times Sometimes people do certain stuff and people are a certain type of way, and people don't know why. You have to understand what's their why. There's a lot of people go through some stuff, what's their why? You can look at an individual and judge that individual for doing certain stuff, but what is his why? You don't know his story or her story. Until you know their story, you understand a lot more. But just by judging from the outside looking in, just like everybody with my career, everybody, oh, Vince, always happy. He's smiling, he's dissing. I played every game with a broken heart. Every game. When I will walk out of the stadium into the tunnel where you have family and friends, and they all gather, and I see mothers, I see dads, I see uncles, I see all of this stuff. The only thing I had was my immediate family. That's it.

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I've read you say that your only regret is that your parents... Your only professional regret is that your parents never got to see you play?

100 % because I did it for them. I knew what it meant for my father to see me at a level that he could have been at, but he didn't because he made some different choices in his life. I'm judging for that, each his own. But my father saw it in me at a young age. He saw it. And that's my only regret, is playing the game and not having my parents there because I knew my father would have been in every game. I wouldn't have been able to get him out of my house. You understand? My mama, too. I knew how much that would have took off for them, the stress level, of just trying to make it every day and trying to do this and trying to do that. And see, people have to understand, too. I'm built a certain type of way because I don't have family members fail us. I don't have family members turn their back on me and my brother, my mom and my father, turn their backs on us. Family members. When people see me and I act a certain type of way, or I don't put up with a lot of stuff, I understand my story.

My family turned it back on me. I'm not saying all of them, but key people, yes, turned their back on my father and my family. I witnessed that with my own eyes. I've heard it with my own ears. And at that time, there's some stuff I wanted to do to them, but It is what it is. But I've been through a lot, but I'm still staying through the grace of God. That's first and foremost, because without him, I don't know where I'll be. I'll definitely be lost in Who knows where else. But God is good, and it is what it is.

So the end of football, when everybody would be with their families, was a reminder of your grief?

But you know what? I didn't know how to deal with that. A lot of stuff I dealt with just putting this in and keep it pumping because the ball never stops. The train never stops. If I'm here or not here, the ball going to continue to roll.

But you know it's not healthy now. As an adult, to stuff all that shit down, stuff it all down.

Now, but like I said, that's how I dealt with it. But now, again, it's impossible for me to handle that way because I'm a lot smarter now, got a little bit more wisdom and understand, Hey, You have to communicate certain stuff.

It sounds like you've gotten a good deal better at communicating.

I have, but I'm still not there, but I have. But it's all work. Life is about work. It's about work. I don't care how much money you have or how much money you don't have. If you're not good as an individual with yourself, it doesn't matter what you have. It doesn't. Once you're okay and understand who you are and your purpose, you'll be fine. You'll be okay. Life's going to be whatever it is, because guess what? Trials and Tribulations You're going to always be here. You're going to always have a problem. You're going to always be disappointed. You're going to always be hurt. You're going to always be disrespected. How you handle those situations, you understand? I'm always trying to grow. I'm always trying to grow. And that's how I'm going to continue to. And I tell people all the time, I can cut grass today, and in two minutes, that grass is starting growing already. It doesn't matter.

But you're good at gardening. You're good at work. You like work. Yes. You tend to a garden.

Yes. I don't have one now because I don't have a space. But yes, I'm a full-fledged outdoors type of guy. And I tell my wife this all the time and friends and stuff. I say, Listen, I could do everything a woman can do except for have a baby, but I can help make one. You understand me? So credit to my parents, and credit not even knowing growing up and have to learn how to cook, how to clean, how to nurture, how to care, not even knowing it was going to teach me a life lesson as an adult. So everything that I had to do as a young kid, now I'm to a point where I can do my daughter's head when she was young, which I've done. I can cook, I can clean, I'm a nurture. All those things I can do. It was just planned that way that I'll be great in those areas, which I am. But I love the garden. I love the garden.

What do you see as your purpose?

My purpose is to lead. I understand I understood that when I retired, because when I played a game, no matter if I was in high school, college, or pros, I always was a leader. And my leadership doesn't stop because I'm retired. It's just a different form now. So I have to be able to lead in my household. I need to be able to lead. Because a leader going to always have to answer questions. People always come to you to get your knowledge or get some answer. And I pride myself on that. And the most important thing as a leader is you have to You understand, you are always being watched. You might think somebody is not paying you attention, but somebody is always paying you attention. They always listen to what you say, and they value that. So you have to be careful as a leader, what you put out because people want to follow in your footsteps because guess what? They heard Vince said this, not only in football, but like, Hey, if I'm talking to a young guy outside of sports and just having a regular conversation, I'm I'm putting wisdom, I'm giving knowledge.

I try to be supportive. Negativity, I try to leave that alone. What's the good in people? And understanding that. So my purpose is to lead on the field and off the field.

I'm going to read some of these quotes from Belichex, As good a two-gapper who has ever played this game, and Captain of captains, the true leader of the team. That's a team with Tom braided on it, and he's calling you the true leader of the team, and also the best defensive defensive lineman I've ever coached that's player, leader, on the field, off the field, practice player?

All I knew was football. I think football was my outlet in life. If I didn't have football, I can only imagine where I would be. But football was second nature to me. It's like waking up, going to play a game. That's how easy it was for me to be able to sit back and look at a formation and diagnose what's going on and it splits. That's my wheelhouse. I put everything into that because I put everything into things that I care about and I love because I want to be the greatest at everything I do. What I choose, do I want to be the greatest? And that's not going to stop.

Did you play with rage, with emotion, all that stuff that you were pushing down?

Oh, yeah. I was mean. I was mean. I was hell on wheels. My anger, my aggression, I took it out on people on the field. That was my thing. If I were going to impose all my will on you until this game is over, I'm going to beat your head in until I feel like it's enough. And all of those come from my pain, everything I've been through. That's where it came from. But it allowed me to be who I needed to be. And people respected that for me. They respected that.

Did you ever run into a single person whose strength pushed you back? Because you were always doubled teams. Is there a name that you think of when I say, Yeah, this person, if I've got to play this person the night before, Or I've got someone who's going to have more rage than me, more strength than me?

Not more rage. I've played against some guys because you got to understand, it's a lot of people I was big and stronger than. And on top of that, what makes me, I think, one of the great player is my knowledge of the game. I was a smart football player. But somebody matching, it's hard to match me in all three of those areas. Now, you They might have somebody that might be strong, but they might not be smart enough or somebody smart that's on the side. So it was never all of the shebang. The one guy that I could say that held his own, and I love him to death, is nick Mhango. Nick was very, very good. Nick was smart. Nick was strong. He was big. He could move. Nick, out of all the centers I played against, he is probably the most complete center that I played against, and I had to play against him twice a year. You understand? He was really, really good. And we had battles. We had some battles. And he is one of those guys that if somebody needs to get blocked single, he can hold his own. One of the few.

Yeah. He don't need the double teams and all that. He can hold his own by himself. And it might be some more out there, But for me, it was nick. He was just good.

When you talk about your childhood and the pain in your childhood and the things that imprinted you beyond taking care of your father, what are the things? How would you describe what was around you before you get to the University of Miami?

Well, it's probably the same in every hood you go to a ghetto or poor community. Drugs, stealing, killing. It was no different for me. I've seen it all. I've been a part of some stuff that I'm not proud of, But you have to survive. It's survival. That's why I say a lot of times people want to judge poor people or the hood, the ghetto. But you got to understand, if this is all we know, if This is all we know. We're going to tend to lead towards what we know until you have that person come in and say, Hey, you can't do this this way, and this is why. You need to be the one to get out of here and make it. But a lot of people, they don't have that all the time. They don't have that luxury of having people in their lives or around them that can steer them in the right direction. But thank God, I was so foundation, my foundation with my family, and just understanding I grew up never wanting to... I never wanted to disappoint my parents, ever. So my mindset was always like that. And even to this day, I take disappointment hard, and I take when I disappoint somebody very hard because how I grew up.

You understand? So I never wanted to disappoint my parents. So I've always tried to do what I needed to do for them in mind and understand. In order for my parents to get this car or this house, I have to... Me, I have to be on the right trail. My path have to be full of prayers and a lot of support around me. Now, I had a ton of prayers, and I had a few support. Not a lot. I had a few, but all I need is a few. I understood what it takes to be the best. I understood what it what it was going to take me and what I had to do to be successful for my folks. And I did that. And looking back at it now, I had to sit out six months for the University of Miami because of grades. For grades. And a lot of times, when people talk about grades or this and the other, well, I had to miss school to take care of my dad. It wasn't that I just wanted to skip school to hang out and do it. No, I I had to not go to school to make sure my dad was good.

That bothers you, huh?

Yeah, it bothers me. Because what bothers me is people that judge because people can point their finger all the time. But until you know that person's story, then you will get it. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, I set out six months. It cost me six months to college, which it tore me up because all I knew was football. It tore me up. But at the end of the day, it wasn't the end of my career. I got my grades right, boom, boom. I went in December. Fine. Career started off. But around that time, you got to understand, people were saying, Oh, I knew he wasn't going to do this. He wasn't going to do that. You got to understand, people started doubting me. People started doubting me, and I love when people doubt me because I love to prove people wrong.

You were always responsible? Yes. There was no choice, right?

No choice. No choice. No choice. But that's why I am the man I am today, because of everything I've been through. I know this is like a struggle. I don't want anybody to get it twisted because of who I am now. And you saw me on Sundays My life was easy. No. No, my life, no. I had to work. I had a lot of things going on in my life. A lot of people probably went to made it. And plus, you also got some great stories out there, even better than mine. Some guys that made it what they had to go through in life, but still made it.

Who are these people who are doubting you?

It was neighborhood people. And it was neighborhood people, but at the same time, haters are going to hate. Being successful, a lot of people don't like people that's successful. That's just what it is. Because how can you be successful? And I'm not? How come you get all of this? And I play football, too. I play basketball. I did this in high school. I went to college. But how come you get to live out your dream and I couldn't? So you're going to have haters. And I always say I love haters because that lets me know I'm doing something right. The day I don't have a hater, it's a problem. It's a problem. So I love it. Like I said, I just like who I am. If I can touch anybody or a youngster that's going through a lot of stuff in their life and they hear this, Hey, listen, it doesn't stop. The grind doesn't stop. Your dream doesn't stop. Your life is going to give you what you put into it. If you work at it, you're going to have good results. It's no different than anything else in life. If you practice and put forth the effort and things to make things better, it'll be better.

But if you just talk about it and make no changes, it won't change.

Explain to me the relationship with your brother. Have you told him? Have you thanked him for how it is that he helped you with your dad and how it is he helped you get where you are?

You know what the crazy thing is? I am because I have some plans for him soon, hopefully soon, because I put myself in his shoes. At the end of the day, we all have It is what it is. We all have problems. But for my brother to understand his mindset, I had to look at everything through his eyes and understand what he's seen and what he been through. When I was in college, what he had to do, his life had to be stopped. So we'll have that conversation. We definitely will, because like I said, I have something that I'm planning with him and for him. I think it would be awesome. I don't think it's never been done before, but when we get to that point, we'll see if it's ever been done. Even if it's been done before or not, it's still going to happen.

But it sounds cryptic, though. You got a surprise for him.

Yeah, I got a surprise for him. My brother, he's a warrior. He's a grinder. Man, he's been through a lot. He's been through more than I have, seeing more than I have, because you got to understand, he was there. When I was in school, he It was there. So I'm pretty sure. It's a lot more stuff that I don't know that went on. But my brother been through that. And I got to a point where I had to stop really judging my brother because until I realized his story is different than mine, even though we grew up the same way, but his story is different because his lenses are different. And what he been through is different from what I did. You see what I'm saying? So I'm excited about what I have planned for him. I think as a younger brother, I looked up to my brother. I used to tell him, I'm like, Man, I've looked up to you. Things you've done. And even with you playing football, my brother went to college, and I was the first person that I wanted to talk to him. Hey, what you learn? Because now I want to implement college stuff in high school.

So what you learned? So Probably he means a lot to me. Like I said, we all have our issues and our ups and downs and stuff, but that's my brother. That's my blood, brother. We're okay. We're going to be fine. But everything, life can be tough. But when you get those tough times, how do you respond? That's the key.

You somehow didn't start your freshman or sophomore year at the University of Miami, correct? You started your junior year and then went to the pros and were a first-round pick. But your first two years at Miami, you did not start. How did that go for you? Did you doubt at all?

No, I never doubted because I understood 100 % who I was. I knew I mean, we could talk about it, my fellow hurricanes, but I was better than the D tackers in front of me. That's just what it is. But of course, they're older, they've been there for a while. But what happened was I played more snaps than all of them. And I made plays. So being at the University of Miami, the one thing I always loved about that is we never complain about who's playing, who's not playing. We didn't care. We knew we had a bunch of dogs. We knew we had our second string Just as good as our first string. When we practice, we practice hard. We know that. So we never looked at, Oh, I'm not playing. I don't want... No, we never looked at it because we know we was going to be caught up on. And you had to be ready to go. And we were. And that's why I really never tripped on not starting. My job always was, when I get my opportunity, take advantage of it. I don't care if it's one player, 50. Take advantage of it.

And that's exactly what my mindset was. I'm going to take advantage of it.

A lot of people think, and I understand the mental part of this, that the quarterback is the hardest position to play. But I feel like your position is the physically hardest to play.

Do I have that wrong? No, you don't. As a two-gapper, yes, because we take a beating. I mean, we take a beating. We don't go nowhere fast. We're taking up blocks. Everybody else around us making the plays. We're not getting no stats. We're not getting any of that. We're getting up at the bottom of the... We're at the Bottom of the pile. We don't get talked about. So I think I changed that from a nose tackle standpoint because of the plays I made, which was unheard of as a nose tackle. I made some critical good plays in my career as a nose tackle. But I came with a bunch of study. My goal was if I could steal one play a game, just one, that's all I wanted to do, steal one play. And I will watch a film, I will watch a film, I will watch a film and find that one play that I can steal. And most of the time I did it. Sometimes I watched something, I really never got a beat on anything. Or sometimes Sometimes in a game where I hear something and I go, Okay, I'll put that in the register bank because if I hear this again, I know exactly what it is.

Everything is all gloves off. Like, Bill, I ain't playing technique. Last time he said this was this play, so I'm going to make this play. And I think I got to a point with Bill once Bill realized the type of player I was, that I wasn't just doing stuff, just do stuff. I played within the scheme, but I was smart. My football IQ was very high. I think Bill gave me a lot more lead way to do certain stuff. So it got to a point where I would handle the defense to the front. The linebackers didn't have to talk to us. They just talked to the back end because I handled everything up there. I called the plays, I called the stunts, I moved people around. I did all of that. It was plenty of times where I'll go to the sideline and I'll tell Bill, Hey, this is what they're doing. This is how they block it up. If we did, blah, blah, blah, it wasn't even the play. We just made it a play on the sideline. We do it. So I think I earned that trust from Bill because he understood that I wasn't a selfish player.

I wasn't. So he understood, well, by me doing this, I'm putting our players in the best position to make the plays. It don't have to be me making them, but somebody needs to make them. I'm not for to sit up here and take on a double team when I know what the play is. And you can just go do this. I'll do this, you do this. How about that? And I think that's where me and Bill's relationship got built Him knowing that I was a pretty good football player. And on top of that, I was pretty smart as a nose tackle.

How did you lead, though? Did you find yourself in many confrontations? Did you have any reason to be involved Is there a conflict with teammates? How did that work?

No. How did that work? No. I don't talk a lot, but at the same time, you get tested and stuff. I always wanted to be, I'm the one. All of this runs from me. I'm the engine. If the engine isn't running correctly, the car can break down. It ain't going to happen. So if I'm the engine, I have to make sure I'm on my Ps and Qs. I got to understand I know what I'm doing. I have to understand each one of my teammates is different. The personalities is different. Sometimes you can show somebody, they'll learn. You have to talk to somebody, they'll learn, or you have to walk through. It's multiple ways to learn. In my job, and I felt like if I'm playing with this guy, I have to understand how he thinks. I have to understand how he learns and how can I get through to him so he'll understand to be on my bay. I've been doing it for so long, so I could just say something. And I can have a player just sitting here saying, Okay, what you... Because in my mind, I've already done it. I've done it, but I have to be able to break stuff down because I want to be great.

And football is a team sport. It's not just about me. So if I I want to be great, I have to make sure the people around me feel the same type of way and approach the game the exact same type of way. So I think it was just part of me. I think it was my presence and how I talk and how I spoke and By them watching me, by them watching them, when Bill put up highlights and he shows certain plays, they'll watch what Bill is talking about. So they'll learn. So now they're like, Okay, he's the real deal. You know what I mean? I just think it came with that.

What is the closest that you have come to playing the perfect game? Do you have a game in your mind that you recall as- No.

I mean, I don't have good games, but perfect game, no.

Because- Closest you've come. I didn't say perfect game. I just said closest you've come. Guys like you never say they've got the perfect game because guys like you tend to be not very forgiving of themselves.

I think I played the Houston Texans. I forget what year it was, but we played them in the regular season, and I had a pretty good darn... I basically slowed their offense down myself. So that was a pretty good game. And the ALC Championship game against Baltimore, I forget what year it was. These years, starting to run into them. But I started the game off with a second and a half, and then third down. Later in that game, third down, I had a tackle for loss, Ray Rice. And then that fourth down, I put the pressure on Flacko, the throw in complete ball. And that was a critical point in that game because of the time, they was driving, it was a lot going on. So the sequence of those plays, It's pretty good. But as far as... I think people can define that about how many plays they made a game in, what was the situation in those games for me to sit back. And I played a lot of football, so I'm probably missing some stuff. Who knows? But I had like 16 tackles my third year against Buffalo Bills. So we can go- A lot to choose from.

It's a lot to choose from. So I just always wanted to be a person that my team is going to depend on.

You've been retired now for eight years. I know very few people in your position who don't struggle with retirement just because it's such a big part of your identity. Now you're 35 years old and you're like, Well, the rest of my life is ahead of me. How did you deal with the transition? How did that go for you?

It was hard. Transitioning is hard because when you take something away... I've been on the regimen for over 25 years playing sports. My days were very similar for 25 years. So when you take that away, you have to try to figure out what's the next transition. What do you want to do next? And then a lot of people get in certain stuff and a lot of people depressed. A lot of people go through midlife crisis because, hey, all my life this is what I've known. This is what I did. This is how I did it. 6: 00 in the morning, I had a purpose being up at 6: 00 in the morning. So now when I wake up at 6: 00 in the morning, I'll stare at the scar. What is my purpose? So it can be hard. It can be tough. And I've tried so many different things, and nothing really stuck with me until I got back to my basics and understanding my passion and my love, and that's food. I think the last two years with that, it put me right back in the game. I feel as if I'm still playing the game now.

This is how I wake up now.

Can That makes you to your father, too, right?

Yes, 100 %. I grew up, my dad, man, no matter how sick and bad my dad was, feeling how bad he was feeling, my dad always found a way to barbecue. It was like, Yeah, I'm not feeling good and I'm weak, but hey, let's go get these slaps of ribs and put on this. And also my mother. My mother was a great cook. I'm the fourth generation of great cooks. I have a list of people in my life that that's what they did. I can remember being a young kid and going over to my grandma's house, she's selling plates. And I can remember going in and smelling her cleaning chitlins. And I'm like, No, I don't never want to eat that. It smells stink. I remember those things, but I was surrounded by some great cooks, and that's a passion of mine, it's cooking. I love to cook no matter if it's on a grill, in a stove, stove top. I like to bake You name it, I love it.

Because you're a giver, right? Yeah, I am. I got to get you down here to see if we can convince you. I don't know what it would take to convince you to help us with a spread around here where we would have the honor of having Vince Wilfork cook something up for us since you're over in Weston over there.

I think we can make it happen.

We'll have to do that to support GHI 75, your barbecue label. So you've poured yourself into the business of that?

Yes. Ghi 75 stands for got to have it, 75. And that was something that my dad used to say all the time growing up. But when I got to the NFL, we call situation of football got to have it. And it's like a must-have play. You have to have this play or you'll lose. So I I named it after all of those things from my childhood, my career in football. And every time I heard it, it brought me closer to my father, always let me know my father is around. So it's like I can hear him saying it. So, yeah, the past two years, I really started taking this series. I think this product is amazing. It's a really good product.

Is your mouth watering right now? Yeah, because- Is your mouth watering right now. That sounded like a slurping sound.

Because you know what? That's a good advertisement. Everything about this sauce, it has meaning. Everything about it, from the label, from the flavor, it just have meaning. What I've done, and I pour it out because I'm thinking about everybody. One of the main things, few things that I really love about it is it's gluten-free. We don't use no high fruttoast corn herb, no preservatives. And it's coming in the glass bottle. So we don't want to deal with microplastic, all that mess. We're not doing that.

Good for the Earth, good for your body, good for everybody.

Exactly. We're not going to play that game. So when I tell you, it took a lot. We put a lot into it just thinking about the average person. And also we deliver a great sauce.

You've lost a ton of weight. Can you explain to us what football did to your body?

Well, I've lost probably 70, 80 pounds. And that came from just stop playing football. My son was playing baseball. Well, in Texas. So I would be at a practice two, three, three hours a day in that Texas heat. So I'm drinking two gallons of water like it's nothing. And one day I just got on the scale because I always promised myself, Man, when I retire, I'm never getting on the scale ever again. I haven't seen it too much. So one day out of the blue, I said, Let me just get on the scale and see how much I weigh. Well, I was down 20 pounds. And now I'm like, Man, am I sick? What I'm doing? Because I'm not doing nothing crazy. So I started just monitoring what was going on, what I was doing. Well, half of my meals I eat, and I spend the majority of the time outside, just running around with the boys and the kids. And it trained my system like I didn't need I did all of that. But now I'm at the point now where I feel a little of things because I lost a lot of muscle mass, I lost a lot of fat.

So I feel a little of things, like a little part of my back or my neck or my shoulders, my ankles, like little things I'll feel. And it'll come and it had come and it had goes. But I didn't understand how big of a deal it was when I was playing, when people used to tell me, Man, I can't believe you can do Man, that's crazy. You could do that. I'd be like, Man, what are you talking about? But now I get it because I go to lift weights now. I'm not even half the person. I am now lifting weights in the type of weight I'm moving. I'm not even half the person that was. So now it put a perspective on who I used to be and who I am now.

What is the most that you weighed? What is the most you ever weighed?

I'll tilt the scale. The heaviest I ever been playing football 380.

380? Yeah. Oh, my God.

That can't be good for me. When I got down to UM after those six months, 385. And the first thing my strength of condition that Coach Andrew said was, I'm going to get that baby fat off of you. That's what he told me. So I played at UM around 3: 45. That's what my weight in UM, 3: 45. So when I got to New England, they said 3: 25. I'm like, Where did that come from? Well, you weighed 3: 23. I'm like, Yeah, but I was trying to lose weight and get down for you. And plus I was sick. My everyday weight is 3: 40, 3: 45. And Bill was like, Well, it's off luck. So I'm like, Okay, no problem. I said, I'll never miss a weigh-in, but I guarantee you, you catch me two hours after, it's a problem. But weighing in on that specific day and when I need to weigh in, I've always was good.

You never were fine? No. Not one time?

Because I never miss a weigh-in.

Not one time?

No. Never miss a weigh-in? No.

You say it as if it's a matter of fact.

Bill can tell you that.

I believe you. It just sounds crazy. So you always weighed in. You were never overweight. No, never overweight. As a point of pride? Yeah.

I don't care what I had to do, but I would be at that 3: 25 when it's time to weigh in. I guarantee you. I was like a boxer. I weigh in, but two minutes later, I'm hydrating back in. I'm about to 3: 45.

Were you doing all the stuff, though? Were you in the song? Everything. You name You were like a wrestler. You named. Because you were a wrestler in high school.

You named and I did it. The funniest thing is, so when it's way in days, you can always tell because when you pull up to the parking lot, it's already filled already. I would be driving going to work, and I would see Ty Law. He's on a highway running by the stadium. But we always knew it. It was that time. I got to a point where I'll get up at three o'clock, check myself, see what my weight is. If it's not what it needs to be, I'll start. I'll go run some miles before I go to work, just so I know I made the weight.

So explain it, though, to me, because you said little pains, and I think your pain threshold is an uncommon pain threshold. So my guess is that you were in pain a lot of times without even realizing how much pain you were in because it was just your life for a long time. For the person who does not understand the job that you did for 13 years, five times as a pro bowler in that league, what is the body's cost on that? What does that feel like now? And what did it feel like as you were doing it? Because I've got to imagine it was something that stayed with you.

Yeah, when I was playing and when I had to go through it, so we say we play the game on Sunday. Monday, we'll go in and just do some light stuff, watch film. And if we start implementing players for this week, we start small there. But Monday is fresh off a game. So your body and your adrenaline is still going So Tuesday is our day off. So Tuesday, that's when your body really feels the impact of this weekend, right? Depending on the type of game you play, like if we played the Steelers or the Ravens, I'm going into Wednesday first, first practice of the week still sore from the game. But we can't stop because it's a new opponent. We have to put this in. So you have Wednesday, Thursday, and sometimes Friday, You can recruit. Sometimes people recruit by Friday, sometimes people don't. Early in my career, I recruit fast. My body heals fast. It numbs up. So by Thursday, I'm good to go. I'm back in, I'm good to go by Thursday. Once I got later in my career, it took me Saturday. So it was a couple of times I played on a Sunday still sore, the older I got.

And I'm still doing the stretches, the hot tub. I'm still doing all this stuff. But just over time, it just catches up with you.

And how about now, though? I would imagine in the morning, there's some creaking.

Honestly, right now, I can be good. And then one day out of the blue, my shoulder will go numb, or I have tingling in my fingers, or my knee bothering me, or my low back. My low back just decided it wasn't going to bother me this past week for for whatever reason. So I'm still dealing with a low back. Just little aches here and there, but nothing drastic. If I want to go outside right now and play some basketball, I could. It doesn't stop me from doing anything. But over the years, you're talking about 20 years worth of football in general, over 20 years, those little ninks, you start to feel them, something that you forgot all about.

Did anyone come close to tempting you out of retirement after you got to 35 years old?

No. Because I made it very clear to myself and other people. I said, The day I start losing the love for the game and my mind start thinking elsewhere besides the game, it's time for me to call it quits. And that's exactly what happened. It got to a point where I was tired of going to meetings. The new generation that was coming in, it wasn't adding up with how I learned the game, the conversations that was having. And then I tore both of my groins. So I'm like, Man, I'm not for that. And I started thinking about other businesses and other things. I'm like, Okay, yeah, it's time for me to go. So I never wanted to take and cheat the game. I could have easily... I left the game healthy. I left the game healthy. That's why the Texans was surprised that I retired because we was talking about doing another deal. I left the game healthy. I left the game on my terms. I was tired of it. I was tired of hearing meetings because you got to understand, I went from the New England Patriots to the Houston, Texas, the same playbook.

So I was listening to the same playbook for 13 years.

But you also knew what winning was and what a champion looked like. And at that point, you knew that you were no longer going to be winning like that.

Yes. Which was okay. And I love the Texans. That ownership, I love them. I love them because they try to create that atmosphere now. Now they have guys there. They have a good team. They haven't won a game yet this year, but they're starting to put the pieces in play. When I got there, it wasn't football first. It was all this other mess, and then football come when it comes. And that was a disaster for the suck. But now they're putting football first. If it ain't about football and winning, we're not dealing with it.

Do you enjoy watching football now?

Yeah, I still do. Now me playing, do I miss it? No, I don't miss it. I miss the locker room. I miss the fans. I miss my teammates. That's what I miss about the game. But the game itself, not.

Have you followed? Do you watch the documentaries on the Patriots and any of that stuff? No interest there? No.

You lived it? I lived it. Because you got to understand, I grew up a Buffalo Bill's fan, so I knew how crappy the Patriots was. I know. So I don't need to go back there. And plus, the dinings, the years, I was part of it. So I don't to see that I was part of that. I don't have no interest looking at Docu's on the page with us at all, or no team, honestly.

Is there a story, any story that you would share with friends who wanted to know something about Belichick and Katie that perhaps is not known, not about their relationship, but any dynamic that you had with either of them individually that would be the story that is untold because both of them speak of you in a way that they speak of very few others.

No. I mean, what I've seen with them, I've seen them bump heads all the time because they're too competitive. I mean, Bill is super competitive. Tom is super competitive. Tom seeing it one way, Bill saying no, it ain't... I've seen them have them conversation, but that's what their relationship was. Tom challenged Bill, and Bill challenged all of us, just straight up. He don't care who you are. He'll call you out in front of the team. And I always loved and respected Bill from that. He's not just going to pick on certain people. No, he called his leaders out. He called Tom out. He called me out. He called Bruceky out, Vrabel, Seymour. He called all these guys drunk. You name it, he'll call you out. So it really wasn't, really not even was crazy with them. Now, if you talk to an offensive player, because you understand, Bill go to meetings. So who knows what happens in meetings.

But as far as- I'm not even talking about the conflict. I'm talking your relationship with both men. I wasn't talking about their relationship with each other.

Oh, no. It's a ton of respect. My relationship with Tom, Tom was that I got an offense. I just came with a different mindset and a different approach for the defensive players and the team in general, because a lot of guys I understand it. I take the time to get to know my teammates. When I cook, my teammates come over. We have conversations. We talk about family. We talk about everything besides football. So I wanted to know who you are as a person, as a family man, as a father, husband. I also feel I wanted to know that because now it teaches me how to gage you and get through to you. And I think a lot of my teammates really love that about me because I don't see it the same. I'm not going to say the same thing Bill said. I'm not going to say the same thing Tom said because I think our relationship a little different, a little deeper than that. As far as Bill relationship and me and Bill have a great personal relationship off the field, Bill is a wonderful, wonderful person. He really understands how life works. And a lot of people don't understand that until you go sit and have a conversation with him in his office, just you and him.

And you really break bread. You will see, genuinely, what type of man he is. Everybody see this football, and you're not going to talk and smile, this, and I'm cussing people out. But behind closed door, Bill is ready as it comes.

You are, too, sir. It was a pleasure talking to you, and it's been a pleasure watching the entirety of a profoundly professional career. I appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you, Vince. I'm going to hold you to that. I'm going to keep this number, and I'm going to make everyone hear their mouth is going to water when that GHI 75 is something you're slathering on that meat.

No worries. I got you. Trust me. All right.

Looking forward to it. Thank you, sir.

Thank you, buddy.

Jeremy, I think we've arrived at the best time of year. Why? Because every single sport is happening. I mean, basketball, football, baseball. I mean, soccer. Squash. Squash. Chess. And you can enjoy all of those things with an ice cold Miller light. Ping pong. Picture me with a paddle in my right-hand, ice cold Miller light in my left, just whipping people in ping pong. Sip, hit, sip, hit. I'll I'm going to do that when I'm playing pickle ball. Yep. Game day's hit different with Miller light in your hand. From jaw-dropping touch downs to fantasy heartbreak, it's the beer that's been there for every moment. Fifty years of great taste, simple ingredients in that iconic golden color that you can spot from across the room. Look at that. You see that over there? We're looking at one right now. I can see that thing all the way- Just visualize it. All the way across the room. There's a Miller light at Dan's chair. Why? Because Dan was enjoying a Miller light. I want to go get that Miller light right now. Here's the kicker, guys. Just 96 calories, 3. 2 carbs per 12 ounces. The original light beer since 1975 and still hitting different five decades later.

So whatever your game day looks like, remember, Miller Time is always a good time. Miller light, great taste, 96 calories. Go to millerlite. Com/beach to find delivery options near you, or you can pick up some Miller Light pretty much anywhere they sell beer. It's Miller Time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 96 calories and 3. 2 carbs per 12 ounces. I'm going to go get that beer right now. Do it. Can you get me one? Yeah.