Transcript of Pablo Torre Is Desperate For External Validation | Hour 3 New

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Oh, guess who's Tony?

All right, we're going to stay in the association. New York Knicks.

He was not in the association.

He was not in the association.

He was clearly not in the association because I'm calling back to the last time I did against the spread.

You know, hockey and the NBA are not—

listen to what I'm saying. I'm talking about the last time I did against the spread. I was in the association. Now I'm staying in the association. And I'm going with the New York Knicks, -7.5 against the Cleveland Cavaliers. I know the Knicks have been on the bench for a while because it's been 7.5. Uh, excuse me.

They're on the bench?

Are you gonna let me talk or are you just gonna interrupt me every single time?

I'm, uh, sorry to do this to you, Tony. Minor penalty, 2 minutes for leaking confidence.

And now Pablo's there laughing like—

It's like you're gonna stay in the penalty box, actually.

Okay, 7.5 against the spread. Take the Knicks tonight. I know they've been out for a while. Whatever, who cares.

It's you.

Oh, give me an aspirin. Mike Wilbon says that it's the junior varsity game tonight.

Do I have to go?

Yes, you got to spend 2 minutes.

I wanted to talk to Pablo so bad about the Knicks.

Uh, how about, about the Pulitzer? Did you want to talk to him about the Pulitzer? Before we get to Pablo, uh, just an update. LeBron says he plans to, quote, recalibrate with my family and talk with them and spend some time with them, end quote, over the next few weeks to inform his decision about retirement. Over the last year, I spent some time with Kareem and Izzy. And we also talked to people like Jim Gray and John Skipper about the decision. We talked to people like Jemele Hill, Keri Champion, Pablo, Iman Shumpert about race and politics and fame and championships and legacy. And yes, retirement. It's a limited series we're calling The Step Back. It's about recalibrating and appreciating the influence of LeBron James. It's something we're proud of. It's something informed. Episode 2 drops today on our podcast feeds. It's all about about the decision. Uh, Jeremy is already forgetting about LeBron and declaring Wemby the best basketball player who has ever existed after last night's game. Uh, Pablo, what's fair in terms of hyperventilation when a 22-year-old does something that hasn't been seen this deep in the playoffs since Shaquille O'Neal in his prime?

It's fair to say that I think we have a new main character. Like officially. I think the LeBron comparison is really inappropriate sort of precedent. The question has always been, when LeBron leaves— and LeBron was doing this, of course, for one zillion years at a level that demanded that we take him seriously and pay him attention— what's going to follow? And we got, of course, Steph, and we got KD. But in terms of a singular character that is really meant to be the next, like, phase of this TV show, that's what Wemby is. And he's not the same, obviously. He's very different from LeBron in multiple ways, but who is going to be the sun of our solar system? Like, that's what we're really talking about. And because Steph coexisted with LeBron, it was never going to be Steph because LeBron still existed. But now I think this whole retirement, will he, won't he, how is that going to be handled into this game? If you see of the NBA the potential for television, for a show like this, has been the greatest relief to Adam Silver imaginable in an otherwise really hard year for Adam Silver managing lots of different crises.

So your vote would be on our Twitter poll, he's more likely to save the sport than ruin it.

Absolutely. Who's saying he's going to— what's the argument for ruining it? Is that he's going to be too good? Is that the— is that the argument?

Unfair.

Like, it's not going to be close. You're saying that, like, he's going to be beyond what Michael Jordan did, like he's going to just collect everything.

Well, Michael Jordan was the size of a mortal. Michael Jordan wasn't bigger than everyone else. We don't usually celebrate the giants. That's not a thing.

Well, I think what's going to happen, though, and I'm already sort of detecting it because I unfortunately have to also try and see around the corner of like, how does this story turn? Is right now you have Goliath, who's also David, and that's such a special honeymoon, Dan. Like the idea— and again, the internet— Adam Silver, notably the commissioner of the NBA, in that Atlantic piece, there is this indication that he is on a burner account, essentially just reading all of NBA Twitter. And what you saw over the last 24 hours in this focus group is that everybody is in on Wemby. Like even the people who tried to figure out what's the zag here. Everyone's like, we must genuflect. And so you have Goliath in the way that you just described, seemingly unfair proportionally in all of these senses, who's also David, this underdog, because he is so young, because this seems still unlikely. And the question will be, when does Goliath just become Goliath? And the villain— I think the villain arc is going to be— I don't know how many years it'll take for us to get there. Maybe it'll be after he wins 3 titles.

And he's actively threatening the GOAT conversation in a way that doesn't feel like you're trying to get in on early with something, but rather just saying what's clearly being demonstrated in front of us. But at that point, you're going to get the utility of a different sort of character, which is the bad guy. And that— how he manages that is going to be also super fascinating.

Pablo, he's not already the bad guy now after a, after a huge elbow to Nas Reed, after just— I don't know, there's a tinge of evil I see in his eyes. And maybe I'm just early, maybe I'm, maybe I'm a kook, right? Maybe I'm the guy saying the sky is falling. I don't know.

Evil?

Evil too.

There's a tinge of evil in his eye, Dan, and I don't like the, the tinge of evil. The way he says it to him.

What?

Climate?

The cl—

nobody— everybody's been very quiet about the climate recently. Anyways, long story short, he's got a tinge of evil in his eye, Pablo Torre, and I don't know if you can see it as a guy who kind of sees some things sometimes.

We, we, we did do an episode today about Oz the Mentalist, whose whole job, his legend, is that he notices things, nonverbal cues, pupil dilation, lip flutters, all of these things. And if you are seeing— they call it in the law, Tony, they call it mens rea, malice, right? The tinge of evil has a legal sort of basis. And if you're saying that you see in Victor Wembanyama the sort of like Darth Vader he's about to become—

thank you.

You look— play this back, Dan, assuming we haven't been hit by an asteroid in 5 years. Like, Tony might be ahead of the curve.

Hold on a second.

Take that. He wants to make—

hold on a second. Oz the Mentalist?

It's Oz!

No, it's Oz.

No, it's Oz.

I regret to inform you, Zazz, that it is Oz. No!

I have not been this stunned since they told me, told me that Dr. Seuss is actually Dr. Soice.

No, that's not true.

Get out of here. That's like GIF versus JIF. I refuse at this point.

Old school and finally.

We're not doing that.

What do you mean we're not doing that? You just did the same thing. You just said something. Oz the Mentalist is not something any of us had heard.

Well, I think that's just because a lot of this country is watching these clips on mute and they're like, I get the gist. I'm scrolling past this.

Oz.

Oz.

It's the Wizard of Oz.

The Wizard of Oz.

I am not saying it's the Wizard of Oz.

The show on HBO is not Oz.

I hate you guys. We didn't do anything.

We didn't do anything other than get befuddled. We were— you stunned us with Oz the Mentalist. None of us call him Oz the Mentalist.

Well, I— look, I am not here— how did I— I just published an episode with this guy who debunks mentalism and specifically Oz the Mentalist, and now you're making me into a guy who wants to ride for Oz the Mentalist just because I know what his name is pronounced like. That is the quagmire that I am finding here. We're showing our ass because the guy is in many ways allegedly performing fraud.

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Don't live a tart.

Is there Back in My Day?

There is actually.

Are you not gonna tell anyone?

Wait a minute, you guys, guys, it's a Tuesday.

Stugatz! Here's your guy, Greg Cody, with Back in My Day.

Okay, here it is. Sorry, adultery.

That—

yeah, wait a minute, I've been waiting for this one.

This is the Don Levitar Show with the Stu Gatz.

Let me ask you this question: do you find him impressive? Yeah, like, because I'm I'm trying to— he is like the new David Blaine insofar— do people in the container, do you guys respect the David Blaine sort of like— yes, again, I do. LeBron to Wembley, we're talking David Blaine to Oz the Mentalist.

We're not even talking about the same zip code. No, no, David Blaine did feats of amazing strength and on top of that, like endurance. Exactly. Extreme things. Oz the Mentalist reads, you know, Joe Rogan is his credit card number and everybody freaks out. This guy is not David Blaine. He could not even sniff David Blaine.

But it's impressive. What did he do in your episode? Pablo Torre Finds Out is the Pulitzer Prize-winning podcast as a part of Metal Ark Media. What did he awe you with anything that he did? Because they're magic tricks, right?

Well, this is the key thing, is that Ose did not respond to our request for comment, so he's not a guest on the show. The way we did the show was there is a guy in Australia whose name is Stevie Baskin. He works at a law firm, and he did his own 5-hour dissection of this. And Oz, when I saw that 5-hour video, Oz was somebody that I had been frustrated by because the question— look, I love magic, I love going to magic shows, I have friends who, who are magicians, and I have been asking around like, what do you think of this guy? And these are people, Dan, who normally are like, the number one most important thing that they fear with me is that you will violate the secret agreement to not reveal how tricks are done because they want to preserve a sense of wonder around magic. And I again love going to magic shows.

I get it.

I've pretty much respected that. But with this character, Oz, when you ask other mentalists and magicians about it, their response is, screw that guy. That guy's a problem. That guy is— what he's doing is not okay. And so it raised this question of like, so what— why, why do they feel that way? What are the norms around a code of ethics around mentalism that he is violating? And that's what the episode is about. How does he do it? And then why should you care? Aren't all magicians liars? What's different here? And I think it speaks to a code, a code that once you see it, I think this is my argument, it makes what he is, which is the most viral and platformed and most successful magician/mentalist on the internet, the guy who was in between Donald and Melania Trump at the White House Correspondents' Dinner, right? That's where he was. He's been in every locker room, every sports show. He's been on this very show before. His whole thing becomes suddenly extraordinarily different when you realize how he does his best tricks. And that's what the episode is fundamentally about.

He's a Pulitzer Prize winner and a respecter of magic. He's Pablo Torres. As what do you have for Pablo, the respecter of magic?

Pablo, you said you have— you said plural. Magicians. You have friends who are magicians. You're telling me that you have multiple friends whose career is magic?

Absolutely. I'm a friend to magicians.

Pulitzer Prize winner.

I marvel, I marvel at their arts. I think, look, magic to me is a mystery that the magician is daring the audience to solve. And so the question— I mean, Penn Teller, by the way, I consider the gold standard here. They call themselves honest magicians, which feels paradoxical because of course a magician is there to con you. But really what the magician is doing is creating a set of parameters through which the audience cannot solve this puzzle. And so how is it possible that Oz the Mentalist does things that are unexplainable within the parameters within the rules that he is himself saying he is following. And what he says over and over again is, we do not use superpowers. I'm not a psychic. I don't read minds. What I do, after 30 years of reverse engineering human behavior, is read body language. I read how your nonverbal cues are suggesting the truth that you are holding that you are not saying aloud. And he sold books. He's toured on this basis. The difference between magic and mentalism, says is that mentalism is seemingly a skill that you can learn if you watch Oz and listen to him closely enough.

You too can do the thing of reading what eyeballs are telling you by fluttering around, by reading someone's posture, the way they hold their hands. You can in fact divine the names of their childhood best friends and their PIN codes and all of this. And of course, what he is actually doing— spoiler alert— is a lot of stuff he does not disclose that has infuriated all of his competitors, not merely because he is winning so much, winning all this money, followers, fame, but because he is abusing the basic parameters that he is setting out as his constraints. And there is dishonesty among thieves that the other thieves in this metaphor cannot abide by.

How is he going to feel about this episode?

I mean, he didn't respond. His reps didn't respond for comment. I think the fear— and this is something that I thought a lot about— the fear is if people know how the thing is done and they realize how much less impressive it is when you see the mechanics of it. And some of the characters that emerge, by the way, in the, in the tape that we've been sort of like film rooming here, like it's game tape. It's Charles Barkley. It's the bussin' with the boys guys. It's sports hosts. Because what Ose has done by running these plays over and over again is inevitably run the risk of revealing some of those seams and sutures around how he's actually doing it. And Charles Barkley, for instance, in one example that we play, calls it out totally unwittingly and reveals, in fact, that this is all a again, an alleged equivalent of fraud in a way that I think Ose would be bothered to hear, not just because that accusation feels weighty that Stevie Baskin makes in our episode, but also because if people know how the trick is done, then he can't do the trick anymore.

And he does these tricks more often and more visibly than anyone else in the business. And so I think there is, there is the concern that like I gotta figure out something else, and that would be frustrating, I would imagine, if enough people pay attention.

What do you think his reaction's gonna be to hear you call him O's?

He knows.

I think he will feel seen and heard.

He knows he's O's.

I think he'll feel seen and heard.

Tony, we were making fun of Pablo. We've been making fun of Pablo because he's on a text string with Method Man. I should have never allowed it. And he doesn't refer to him as either Method Man or Meth. He keeps referring to him as Method, and it just seems impossibly wrong.

Pablo, are you running bit here? Are you doing the thing where you're like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna try to make this uncomfortable and like do my thing and like, ah, I'm gonna be Pablo.

What does that mean?

You know what that means.

You know what I mean.

You know exactly what that means.

Live from MSNBC and live from the Harvard Club and live from, you know, whatever.

Yeah, Pablo.

The Met Gala. Here's Pablo. He's a Pulitzer Prize winner and some sort of super futuristic building. I'm here. Look.

He finds out.

Standing on the, on the, he's standing on the stairs and other people watching him from down low and he's standing up high. 40 podcasts. Look at him He's incredible. Oh my God. That's what I mean.

You have to be in like the, in a super future, like Avengers Tower.

Yeah.

Like where the Jetsons live.

Exactly right.

Exactly right. You accepted the Pulitzer Prize and you were standing on some sort of like red staircase and like this super futuristic building. And then everybody was looking over you and it was like, oh my God, he's here. The Pulitzer Prize winner.

Yes. We have reached apex mountain of self-regard.

As, as, uh, the New York Post, or no, the Daily News. I forget who said Mount Pablo and coined that. Um, it has come true.

That's another part.

Yeah. That's another part. Yeah.

Was it the Post? Was it the Journal? Was it the Exchange? I don't remember. Was it the Queen?

The Method thing is, uh, an example of Dan not knowing how cell phones work. So I have been adding @mentioning Method Man. Who is saved in my phone as Method Man, but in my phone his first name is Method and his last name is Man, because of course that's his name.

You're referring to Method Man as Method when you're talking to Method.

I think if there's an it is a little different.

Yeah, it's bold. It bolds. See, you guys get it now.

It mentions.

I got it. I am tagging Method Man, whose first name in my phone is Method, And when I tag Dan, I go @Dan to alert Dan that I've mentioned him in this conversation. Yeah, we went from Pablo's a nerd to Dan's old real boy. This changes everything.

Dan, you see how the contacts saved in a different way, right? You got that part? Like if he saved Method Man the whole time in his first name, it would do it.

Saving Method Man in your phone, first name Method, last name Man is odd. That is very odd. I would have just gone first name Method Man. Yeah, but then he'd be adding Method Man in full regard the entire time.

Trying to—

and I think that's worse. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's, again, I just coding. That's how I assume people want to be called.

Don Libitard.

You don't remember the idea for home run call?

I was probably like, that kind of thing. Something.

Okay. No, the home run call was that kind of swing, that kind of thing.

Stugatz.

Oh, it's a good call.

Thank you. And plus it doesn't matter who's hitting it. Like you're not tailoring it to a particular name. Correct. You know, all that jazz. You know, you don't got to do that. Oh, that would be a great call. Swing, that kind of thing.

This is the Don Levitar Show with the Stugatz.

Uh, let's play movies. Let's play movies with Greg Cody here while Pablo's here. Let's see what we have here. Oh God, Greg Cody doesn't know about movies. You could check it out. Out at Greg Cody Show featuring Greg Cody? Uh, let's play the latest movie clip.

All right, Greg, what movie is this from?

Fuck you, Brennan! I know you touched my drum set and I want to hear that dirty little mouth admit it!

Okay, uh, music drums—

no chance on that though.

Thank you, Brennan!

That's—

I know you touched my drum set and I want to hear that dirty little mouth.

How many of these do you have? How many do you have left?

Like 5 more.

All right, play them all. Let's see if you can get any of them.

You don't know that one?

No, no, no, no, no.

That was Step Brothers. Okay, okay, here's the next one.

I'm funny. How? I mean funny like I'm a clown. I amuse you, I make you laugh. I'm here to fucking amuse you. What do you mean funny? Funny how? How am I funny?

Oh, I like that. I'm close to that one. Um, uh, he plays a lawyer.

Yes.

Okay.

Oh, he does, he does, he does, he does, he does, he does, he does.

In My Cousin Vinny. Exactly.

Cousin Vinny!

No, no, that is not my cousin Vinny.

I thought it was— come on, he's playing a lawyer.

You were right on that.

That's Goodfellas. That's not my cousin Vinny, that's Goodfellas.

Stars in both of them.

My cousin is on the right track.

Two Utes.

That's my cousin.

Play another one for him.

Credit, half credit.

No, no credit.

Uh, half credit.

You called this guy Danny DeVito earlier.

Zero credit.

All right, here's the next one.

No, I am your father.

Um, Star Wars.

Which one?

Which one?

Oh, come on, that's close enough.

No, no, no, no, it's not. There's not close enough.

The original one.

No, that's not it.

No, no, but that's, that's close enough.

It's not close enough. Half credit. It was not close enough. Is it for one of them?

That's a point.

Greg, what are the names of the other Star Wars movies in that trilogy? Do you know what they are?

Uh, well, I just saw The Empire Strikes Back and the third one— it should be The Empire Strikes Back Jack. Um, I don't know the third one.

I mean, if you just saw The Empire Strikes Back, like, that's from The Empire Strikes Back.

The third one has the word Jedi in it.

The Return of—

put it on the poll. Should it be The Empire Strikes Back Jack at Le Batard Show?

And you know it. All right, I got another one.

Very good. What?

All right, all right, all right.

Oh, I love that. That guy.

Who's that guy?

It's, uh, you know, the swaggery Texan.

Uh, yeah, yeah, he played a lawyer.

Yes, I do know who you mean. Do you know who you mean?

Played a lawyer, Greg.

I know, I know his face.

All right, all right, all right.

Um, what is the name of that movie?

Uh, what's the name of the guy?

Yeah, I don't know.

He's wearing a hat. I don't know. Cowboy hat.

Nice hat.

No, no, no, that, that's a backward cap.

His name is Cowboy Hat.

No, I just don't know the name of the film. Say it one more time.

All right, all right, all right.

It's not gonna help you.

Um, uh, Long Weekend?

No.

That's Dazed and Confused. Matthew McConaughey is what you're looking for.

McConaughey?

Yeah.

Is it McConaughey or McConaughey? Is it McConaughey or McConaughey?

I go hey, hey, hey, hey. I have two more here.

Hey, hey.

One is insanely—

human cowboy hat.

In Greg's defense, one of these is insanely easy, and it would be hilarious if he missed it. The other one is kind of difficult. He definitely won't get it.

All right, don't give him the difficult one. Let's see if we punctuate this with the easy one.

All right, here we go.

To infinity and beyond.

Um, the Back to the Future.

No, close.

You thought that was Christopher Lloyd?

It's a good guess.

No, it's not a good guess. What?

It's not a good guess.

He missed the Back to the Future one last time.

That's ridiculous. This title closed the— Guys, he called Matthew McConaughey cowboy hat. I think this is a win. I think Back to the Future is a win in the Greg's—

Surprise winner, just anointed me a winner.

To infinity and beyond!

Zazzle, are you disgusted? Are you— you look disgusted.

Yeah, I mean, how can you be a guy and not know these movies?

Back to the Future was a good guess.

Well, just the only reason it was a good guess is because it seems like something that would be said in a futuristic time travel movie. It's not actually a good guess.

I'm just giving you— The more I listen to it and I hear that voice, the more I could see a crazed Christopher Lloyd saying this. To infinity and beyond!

The and beyond.

Back to the Future.

It's a little close.

There could have been worse guesses, but it's still insanely—

I mean, it's not even close.

Half credit.

Did you know it yet? Have you seen, like, do you know what movie this is?

No.

It's the most, like, popular animated franchise ever. One of them.

Um, hello, Infinity and Beyond!

Steamboat Willie.

Alrighty.

No, you think Mickey Mouse is saying that?

I think one of his cohorts is. The mouse has his hands on the steering wheel.

There's a voice over there going, 'To Infinity and Beyond!' You feel like that, that boat's taking them to Infinity and Beyond?

Could be. But there's layers.

What's the name of the movie?

It's Toy Story.

Toy Story? That's not from Toy That is from Toy Story.

It's the main character's main phrase.

Really?

People were arguing, by the way, that Woody is Tom Hanks's most popular role.

Ooh, uh, put it on the poll at @LevitardShow. Tom Hanks's most popular role, Woody or Forrest Gump? @LevitardShow. Uh, Pablo, what other details? By the way, uh, congratulations on your Pulitzer victory. Has it actually changed your life in any meaningful way?

Uh, it's our Pulitzer victory, uh, to be very, uh, not even self-effacing, but like true. It's Dan. Dan is the guest in one of the episodes and he's also the person who paid for all of it. Um, so that's real and it has changed a lot. I mean, insofar as I, despite Tony's characterization of me, am somebody who is always trying to figure out like, okay, let me bring myself back to ground level and not get too high off of any given sort of award thing. And this one repeatedly has been shoved in my face, gloriously shoved in my face, is like, no, this is like first sentence of your obituary stuff. Should I receive an obituary, which, you know, newspapers or media may not exist when I— by the time I die. But if obits are written, like, damn, that's what this is. And so I I am both like in awe of that and hardened that some stuff I've done will sort of like last in that regard. Um, but someone pointed out to me, uh, you know, someone who works in journalism, uh, who, who knows various people who've won these things.

There are two ways this goes. One is you celebrate for months and you're delighted by it and you are also just like back to work. And the other way is that it ruins your life. And I'm hoping it's not the latter. I'm hoping that I don't get swallowed by, yeah, an even greater chase for more because I think that in some ways, like the game of external validation, this is now too real.

I'm sorry, it's entirely up to you. It's entirely that choice you just put in front of us. You get to decide that. And yes, it became too real. Put it on the poll at Le Batard Show. More impressive, Pablo winning the Pulitzer or Mina Kimes winning Celebrity Jeopardy? She won Celebrity Jeopardy. She got $1 million for charity. Katie Nolan was among her victims that she knocked out. Have you done an episode on this with me? Have you talked to Mina about this yet?

I've— without breaking too many journalistic covenants, I've been awaiting this episode because sheer— the sheer delight that Mina has had on her face when I asked ask, how has it been going on Celebrity Jeopardy? Given that she is in fact the most competitive person on planet Earth and people are still surprised by that, Dan, they don't realize how competitive Mina Kimes is. The sheer delight on her face made me think that something amazing has happened in the taped episodes. And yeah, it's, it's, it's— she's a monster. She's winning every game show. It's incredible. Like, she won Celebrity Family Feud. I was on her team. She was the person who provided the million-dollar answer on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire to Alan Yang, who won that. She was the lifeline, the phone-a-friend. She has now won Celebrity Jeopardy. I presume she will go on— I think Wheel of Fortune is my hope next. And she will try to become the— yeah. Who— what is the athlete comparison to something like the Bo Jackson of like, didn't win enough titles? I don't really know. Is there a precedent for someone who wins every celebrity game show competition?

Because that's what Kimes is doing.

She also is the host of the spelling bee as well. She just became—

Mina is going to come. She's going to be the first player host. I think she's going to beat all of those kids at spelling.

Is she? Is she beating you presently at life? Like, how competitive are you here? Because Nick Wright has proclaimed both of you to be his rivals on the young sports broadcasters who are conquering the earth. Is Mina beating you right now?

I mean, I think that in the world that Mina has dominated, there is no competition. I'm over— this is my thing with all of this. I'm just, uh, I'm just glad to look up to two older journalists like Mina and Nick. You know, I've just admired them from afar as I've climbed up through this industry. And as a younger guy, I just look at them and see what they've accomplished. And I can only, uh, admire. I can only admire what they've both done. And so as a younger journalist, it really means a lot to be even in the same sentence as them. Dan, I love Nick. He's getting his ass kicked by those two. I mean, it's not even close.

Come on, come on, come on. First off, love Nick Wright, respect Nick Wright. When you wire $150 grand to the win, you're winning.

Yeah, and he did give us money, which was super cool.

No, no, no, you're done. You're done.

I already got it.

No, but next time, next time you're getting cut out.

All right, I'll see to that. I'm just making sure we all understand that there's a Pulitzer, there's all the other shit.

Nick Wright, don't forget the You say the other shit, but the other shit has more cultural value.

Oh, it's amazing.

What Pablo won. Me and Pablo love what Pablo won. You guys love what Pablo won. But the other stuff in a dumber America, the other stuff is the stuff that gets more respect.

Dumber America? I tried to go to the Big Cheese. I told the guy I was a Pulitzer winner. He flicked me off and told me to go fuck myself.

I bet Mina couldn't beat me in Pop Culture Jeopardy.

Pablo, let's set that up.

What is— What is Tony doing in his free time exactly? He's going and trying to get a reservation to Big Cheese.

They don't make reservations. I walked in, I said, hey, by the way, Miami guy, we want to pull a surprise. I want to pull a surprise. The guy said, fuck off, and then told me, then flicked me off. What do you want me to tell you?

See you later, Pablo. Pablo Torre Finds Out is the name of the podcast.