Transcript of Mina Kimes vs. Jeremy Tache in "Celebrity Pop Culture Jeopardy!" | Hour 3 New

This is the Dan Levatorre Show with the Stugatz Podcast.

I've got some fairly shocking numbers to throw your way regarding clutch time minutes and Jalen Brunson, and I also have a great, uh, detail from a Ramona Shelburne story about, uh, how we're going to start building the mythology around Wembanyama now that the reporters are coming and trying to unlock the discovery of the newest Wembenyama is getting credit for some work he's doing with monks and some unusual training that he's doing that has next to nothing to do with him being 7'3".

And Wembenyama's with monks. Jaylen Brown's on Twitch.

That is correct. But before we get to that, just as we were going to break, okay, Greg Cody looks up and says, as if by epiphany, you know, it's a really good idea for me to sponsor an award that gets given to the person every year across all of entertainment who wins the most awards.

Yeah, the award of awards. I think there's something there. Think about it. Like this year, Pablo Torre is competing against— who's the hot actor? Timothée Chalamet. What's his name?

Chalamet.

Okay.

Who you said on The Great Cody Show this week that he won't be popular in 5 years. Okay.

It's Pablo against Timothée Chalamet, Taylor Swift, Apple TV's The Studio, Kendrick Lamar, Whoever has had the best year and won the most awards across all platforms, they win the Greg Cody Award of Awards, an annual award. Huh? There's something there.

I need your support. Zazzalo, you are smirking at Greg Cody.

There's something there.

You're not endorsing this idea. I'm telling you that what came across his face was both radiance and enlightenment when he thought of his face on an award. It's the happiest I've seen him since Mike Mike Ryan, as his inner voice, uh, just simply mentioned the name of his old blog.

Salamat.

Yeah, right. Uh, Chris, do you have the sound of your father laughing? As I've never heard him laugh before. Simply told him, uh, it's simply because Mike Ryan, uh, did him the courtesy of remembering the wordy, terrible name for his blog. A truly terrible name.

Great name.

No, Random Evidence of a Cluttered Blog is terrible. It's too long. It's, uh, look Look at Tony back there. Tony respects you. Tony, I love you, Tony loves you, but that's just that he knows it's a terrible name.

So I had to type it into like www.randomevidenceofaclutteredblog.com. Like, what was it?

Well, the, the shortened nickname is Random Evidence, but the full name is Random Evidence of a Cluttered Blog, you know, RECM.

I've just never— I've known him all my life and never heard him have a hacking laugh like this.

Sounds a little like Stephen A.

This is how I would imagine him laughing from the beyond. Well, it was a deep cut that Mike referenced, but all he was doing is giving the ridiculous name of your notes column, which by itself isn't funny, but you've never found anything that funny.

It just struck me. That's a healthy laugh, by the way. 10 years ago, I couldn't have laughed like that.

Followed by a really unhealthy cough.

Well, still, can't have it all.

That kind of thing.

Yeah, exactly.

Played to my narcissism. I believe that this would be the greatest laugh I've ever heard from the best of the movie villains.

It honestly turned my mood around. I haven't had a laugh like that in a long time.

Thank you. That's a laugh full of mirth and joy. That's not a villain's laugh.

No, if I put some threatening behind this, somebody is coming for my things and is a little bit evil.

No, Greg's right. When I heard that laugh, I heard mirth.

Yes, it's uplifting, that laugh.

Thank you, Billy.

You know about that mirth?

I do know about that mirth. Ethel Merman. Ethel Mirthman.

That didn't work.

Oh ho ho ho.

Back to the drawing board, huh? All right, all right, give me the Mirth did not work.

At a lab, it's only a season.

Go, barman, you take a swing. You gotta take 678 at-bats to get your frankincense and mirth.

Ethel Mirthman is what it is that you wanted to say.

Every once in a while you swing at a pitch in the dirt, am I right?

So here's Tommy Beer. He says, you know what clutch points are, Greg? Do you care about clutch time? What is defined empirically? You don't care about clutch time?

TMI. It doesn't help me follow the sport or enjoy the sport or watch the—

I feel like I'll be right up your alley wanting to know what players are good in the clutch.

Well, I was a stat nerd when I was a kid, but I've outgrown it.

No, but just the idea that this is a— this is a player who's really good with the game on the line.

Yeah, but, but, you know, that—

lean back.

You give me— you give me the player who leads the league in fourth quarter scoring. That's all I need.

Okay, but do you— okay, but, but so if— what do you think the definition of clutch time is or should be? Because there is a working definition in basketball that I'm about to give you. Let's see if it lines up with what you imagine yours would be.

I would guess that it's something to the effect shooting percentage in the last 3 minutes of a close game or in overtime.

Okay, so pretty close. It's the final 5 minutes of the fourth quarter or overtime when the score is within 5 points for either team. That makes sense. Okay. So this, this— I think this is crazy, the stat that I'm about to give you. In fact, give me the stat of the day here, music, so that I can give the credit to Tommy Beer for this stat, please.

Stat of the day. Stat of the day. It is the stat of the day. Stat of the day. Stat of the day. It is the stat of the day. Star of the day, star of the day, star of the day, star of the day, star of the day.

Most points scored in the clutch in the playoffs since the start of the 2023 season. To the point that Mike was making, uh, the Knicks don't get to be lovable underdogs anymore. They've been doing this for a while. Jalen Brunson is at 139 clutch points. Next closest is the 2-time MVP, Shea Gildress-Alexander, at 82. Next closest is Jokic at 67. So twice as many as Jokic, who I've called the best offensive player I've ever seen. And Shea Gildress-Alexander, that number's somewhat skewed by the fact that he doesn't play in that many close games.

But that's also playoffs, right? Because SGA won Clutch Player of the Year this year with 175 points in the clutch.

This—

it's postseason.

Yeah, it's 2023 postseason. But if I'm going to give you clutch stats and I'm going to make, uh, the award of awards is clutch stats in the clutch moments, it's not the regular season, correct? And to give you— are you surprised by that at all, that Brunson would be that much higher than what are recorded as the two best offensive players in the league?

Uh, no, because it feels like Sheik Yodas Alexander may not have to play in too many clutch situations.

Uh, that's, that's correct. Uh, but regardless, I would still say that the reason that the Knicks love this player so much is because the little guy who's the underdog, who was the second player on the Mavs, who has been consistently underestimated, is not simply better than most of the people all of the time. He's also the very best when it matters most. Uh, and last night, uh, just so that you're clear on what happened final 13 minutes of Game 1, that's fourth quarter and overtime. Brunson has 17 points and is 8-for-10 from the floor. Donovan Mitchell and James Harden combined had 3 points and were 1-for-10 from the floor, had zero rebounds and zero assists. Like, in terms of a complete disintegration, the reason that what happened last night has very little precedent is because the Cavs have two guys who became totally invisible. As a guy with the Knicks who hadn't done very much through three quarters, all of a sudden became what he usually is in the fourth quarter. It's why the Knicks love this team the way that the fans love this team the way that they do.

The Harden thing remains fascinating to me because he can undo an entire very valid argument. Like, no matter what, even if he comes up big for the rest of this series, his postseason averages are not what the regular season are. His Game 7 averages are laughable. But he can undo everything with one all-time performance in a game that's win or go home. And every game that comes and goes where there's a little opportunity to change that narrative about him, it doesn't seem to happen.

He's throwing up air balls in the fourth quarter last night.

This is crazy.

Air balled one of those threes.

It's crazy how it's a thing with him.

The air ball, though, was the one where— and I rarely, rarely do this. I meant to actually ask this of Nick because I wanted to know who he regards as the second biggest choker of the chokers across sports now. And what's the distance between how clutch James Harden is about choking? Like, he's consistent and he rarely fails to not meet a moment. It felt like New York fell on his head. Like, it— that as much as we were feeling that at home, the Cavs could have realized in that moment that the player they've traded for to get them over the top, back to the feeling that LeBron provided, is a guy who is trusted the very least in this situation. And we all know it. And New York was smelling blood and knew it. And when New York smelled blood and knew it, James Harden airballed. And you know it.

The thing with James Harden is we are always putting him in this category of like one of the greatest shooting guards of all time. And people have had this narrative every year, pops up in November and December like, oh, this guy and what he's doing at this age, he's better than Dwyane Wade. When, when you look at his postseason, so this year alone, he has 6 games where he has more turnovers than field goals made. Dwyane Wade had 7 of those in 177 career playoff games.

I mean, shit, Dwyane could have done that. Dwyane could have been an offensive vacuum who was bad on defense and inefficient. He could have done that. He chose not to. And that always bothered me about the Harden-Dwyane Wade conversation. Number one, to totally bypass defense where Wade is like, an incredible shot-blocking threat, a great defender.

Oh, you don't remember the game where in a big spot, the team that the Heat were playing was picking on Dwyane Wade every single play? You don't remember that?

Never happened. But James keeps adding to his offensive prowess because he decided he was going to be that for the entirety of his career. Dwyane doesn't get enough credit for what he did.

We will get to Mina Kimes in a second here. James Harden has played 188 playoff games in his career, more than a quarter of them. More turnovers than field goals. That's more— more than 20. Like 1 out of 4, he's going to have a disaster basketball game this series.

He's going to become— as long as they don't win the series this series, he will become the all-time leader for most playoff games played without getting to the NBA Finals.

We're going to get to Mina in a second. But here's the story from Ramona Shelburne about how we're going to start making the mythology around Wembenyama.

Excuse me, that winning. I'm sorry, Dan. He's been there before. Excuse me.

Wembenyama. He was there as a sixth man with Oklahoma City, and it's the only time he's been there. Wembenyama would dribble a basketball up dangerous mountain routes, and there was a hike that traversed cliffside plank paths, suspension bridges, ancient forests, 5 times as long as another one in the area because he would just dribble the ball to a monastery. It's an incline of 2,500 feet in elevation across uneven ridges and stone. His master, because he studies with monks, says it would take an average person 7 to 8 hours, but he did it in 4 and a half while dribbling a basketball.

I love him so much.

God, are you— believe that, dude?

It's— you hold on, guys.

What?

You— do you believe that? Yes, of course I believe that. So you have him traversing a dangerous mountain range dribbling a basketball on the ground?

Yes.

Where if you hit a rock, it goes the opposite way. Have you ever dribbled? Oh God, you believe that, Dan? Dan, you're a smart guy.

Why?

That's where monks live in dangerous mountain ranges. They don't play basketball.

They don't dribble a ball.

That's why the pathways are so dangerous.

Hey, hey, we're the monks, baby.

Give it to him.

Well, hey, hey, we're the monks.

No, it's good.

That's good.

No, it deserves— you guys did not hear Monk Don't Lie instead of ball.

I'm glad I didn't.

Everybody knows it.

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Don Lebatard.

I want to address Tony and all men who would wear that shirt in public.

Stugatz.

Don't do it.

This is the Don Lebatard Show with the Stugatz.

Here's Mina Kimes. I believe that her and Pablo are kicking the ass of Nick Wright, who claims that he is rivals with Mina and with Pablo. Pablo told us yesterday that he believes Mina to be the most competitive person in the world. Mina, we have not seen that side of you. What is the way that you're most unreasonably competitive?

Sorry, we just heard about a professional athlete who literally trained in a monastery. I don't think that I am the most competitive person in the world when you consider all of the elite athletes. And I realize inadvertently I'm comparing myself to an elite athlete here, but I don't think I'm that competitive. I think I I try hard and sometimes that gets conflated with being competitive.

I put it on the poll at @LevittardShow. Who's more competitive, Mina or Wemby? You have, you have won. Congratulations, Celebrity Jeopardy! It was $1 million to charity. In terms of all of your recent game show wins, where does this rank in terms of the best that you have felt? Because you've had 3 pretty legendary game show wins, have you not?

Uh, I don't think that comparing this to game show wins is the right way to stack up how much it meant to me. I think you have to rank it with like the day my son was born, slightly below. And learned, uh, the lessons of maybe making jokes about marriage on this show, so I'm not going to do that. Uh, but I would compare it to you.

Interesting.

Interesting. Yeah, it was a very, very important day in my— I was about to, and then I was like, oh, it was a very important day of my life. And, and it felt really, really good. And it felt so good because this is a charity I've been involved with for a while. They are not a big charity. It's a small nonprofit based here in Los Angeles. And part of the reason I wanted to win so bad and prepare for it was knowing what it would mean for them.

Can you take us through any of the preparation that is worth noting? Like, how nervous were you? How much pressure was there? Around this for you and what does the prep actually look like for all of the world's trivia?

Yeah, I'll sum it up. First of all, this comes with the important caveat that this is Celebrity Jeopardy! and it is like— the analogy I would say is it would be like if, if regular Jeopardy! is college, this is like 9th grade, maybe level knowledge. So I want to start there and say it is easier to prepare for, I think, because of that. So we taped the, uh, quarterfinals and the semifinals the same day, and I was not prepared. The only thing I prepared for that was wagering, which ended up being relevant. Uh, but then they told me, you have 2 months until the finals. And I decided to do what I didn't do the last time I was on Celebrity Jeopardy!, which was study. And the main things that I did were, um, and I talked about this on my show with David, I, uh, my inter— my manager or my agent, pardon me, also represents James Holzhauer. He introduced us. For those who don't know, James Holzhauer is one of the legendary Jeopardy! super champs. He's like the sports bettor who kind of changed the game.

Grinning free.

And the first— he is amazing. Jeopardy! James. One of the first things he did was stress to me the significance of buzzing. And he helped me. He gave me a link to buy basically what's like an off-label buzzer that's in my office right now and sent me a book. It's like 80 pages about buzzing that I read. So the most important thing I did was I practiced buzzing, and this is especially important with Celebrity Jeopardy! 'cause again, the questions are so much easier. Pretty much everybody knows most of them, right? So buzzing in and, and for those who don't know Jeopardy!, you get locked out if you buzz in too early. So there's like a little bit of a window you have to figure out how to buzz into. Improving my reaction time, nailing my cadence was essential. Uh, the other thing I did was I read a lot of books. They're behind me, basically like junior high to high school level trivia. and then I practiced Jeopardy. There's a guy named James Tyler who's a soccer editor at ESPN. He was a former Jeopardy winner. He, uh, when he found out I was doing Celebrity Jeopardy, asked if you ever want me to train you, this is like my, uh, fight, fight, fight montage Rocky moment.

I will train you. In fact, they call it Fight Club and it's when former Jeopardy people get together and just play Jeopardy. So during the football season from October to December, when I was flying to Monday Night Football and then on Saturdays while my kid was napping, I played Jeopardy! probably 4 hours a week.

80 pages on buzzing.

Yeah. Page 1. Do it quick.

All right, we got that part. Next tip.

The thing about buzzing and people always ask like, what do you— how can you get better at it? You kind of— the key, I would say, is you have to figure out what works for you and then become automatic and it, it is a lot like a shooting form or something. You just have to figure it out and never stray from the exact mechanism that works for you. What I found was that holding my buzzer one hand, thumb at a 45-degree angle, starting to depress it at the end of Ken Jennings' voice was when I would buzz in successfully.

And how much fake buzzing were you doing when you say you were studying this way? Like, take us through, uh, how much fake buzzing you, how many hours of fake buzzing did you do?

I mean, the whole time I was practicing Jeopardy!, I was using my buzzer, right? So it was not just practicing Jeopardy! to practice like betting and knowledge and all of that, but it was mostly, and I'm gonna say this was the more important part, practicing my buzzing technique while I was playing the game. And all these people that I played with who are lovely, like just the most lovely people from around the country. It was like an elementary school principal in, you know, Toronto and a doctor and just people I had never met in my life who were all. Smoking me, smoking me every week in Jeopardy kept telling me, when you get up and play Celebrity Jeopardy, it's going to be like taking off a weighted vest because you've been practicing with us for so long. And I didn't really believe them until I got up there and I was like, realized, oh my God, I'm buzzing in faster than everyone else. So my reaction time actually did go down from playing it so much.

Uh, we will get in a moment to Jeremy playing, uh, Celebrity Pop Culture Jeopardy against you. Uh, Jeremy said that he could beat you, so we're going to to test you because he made that claim on the air in just a second.

It was a mistake.

Before we do that, Mina, can you just take us through your other game show wins, the bronze and silver medalist of this, so people can see the hot streak that you're having? And also, I'd like to know, being awarded the National Spelling Bee, where does it rank among the achievements recently that have felt best for you?

Well, that was actually born of Jeopardy! because the company that makes Jeopardy!, Embassy Row, is now for the first time producing the spelling bee this year. And they got to know me and maybe, uh, through, uh, inference figured out that it would be something I'd be interested in. Uh, they didn't know that I had competed in spelling bees growing up as well as geography bees, which was something I'm super passionate about, geography. Um, and it's awesome. Honestly, I, somebody was asking me like, wow, is this crazy? Like you're hosting the spelling bee. Did you ever dream about this? And I said, If you were to go back and interview, talk to 8-year-old Mina Kimes, it would be far more likely that she'd be hosting the spelling bee than that she would be an NFL analyst on ESPN. Like, this is more of a full circle moment for me than what I do now. It's just I've taken the most circuitous possible journey to get there. You could argue maybe that I became an NFL analyst just so I could ultimately become the host of the Spelling Bee. So it ranks very high for me. Somebody's going to clip that and for nefarious purposes.

Other game shows, I helped my friend David Chang win $1 million on Millionaire. Pablo and I were part of Dave Chang's also family on Family Feud. But honestly, those don't compare for me to Jeopardy!

If I sort of forced you to place it on career achievement rankings, Celebrity Jeopardy! is at the very top. Spelling Bee is close. Is there anything anything between them?

Doing The Simpsons game for ESPN, we did like a Simpsons broadcast. I don't know if you guys remember that, where it was like an animated Simpsons game and we got to do play. That was really big for me because I, as you know, I'm a huge, huge Simpsons fan. So that was also a little bit of a full circle, like, oh, I get to use all of this incredibly useless and apparently useless knowledge. Although there were like 2 Simpsons clues on my Jeopardy! run, by the way. But yeah, The Simpsons game was big too, because I just love that show. Lebatard Show.

Put it on the poll, please. @LebatardShow, is it cheating to buy a fake buzzer to practice Jeopardy? And also put it on the poll, is Mina a cheater? @LebatardShow as well. Uh, you know, yes.

I just think, and I, and I, this is something I've talked about, we should be, we should normalize going the extra mile to try hard for stuff. 'Cause I feel like this has been a big lesson for me in all of this. 'Cause I, this whole time I was studying in secret, I was doing all this stuff in secret. And then after I won, I was like, part of me was a little bit embarrassed to admit how hard I tried. But then I thought about it and I thought, wait, why are you embarrassed that you tried really, really hard to win $1 million for this? You should talk about not the winning part, but the preparation part, because I think sometimes we are like too ashamed of being— of putting in effort, more effort than other people because we're afraid of being exposed as a tryhard. So I just want to put that up.

Okay. Thank you for doing that. You're making the world a better place in a number of different ways, not just through your charitable efforts, not just by being the more competitive person than Wemby.

Dan Lebatard. Did you get lost on the way to Home Depot today, Dan? Like, what's going on with the flat tires?

Yes, Mina. Stugatz.

You look like you're about to ask me to like check the oil on my car.

Get him.

Or like come over and like look around and point things in my house that need to be fixed. This is the Dan Lebatard Show with the Stugatz.

Jeremy, you're ready to go, and I'm going to ask a football question and then you help me with whatever the pop culture questions are. I want to go back and forth between Pop Culture Jeopardy and you and a football question. So give me something from the draft that you found more interesting than Ty Simpson to the Rams.

Oh, gosh. We're talking real football. I thought Cornell Tate going fourth was the first, like, one of the really true surprising picks of the day to the Tennessee Titans, because there was— what I found so interesting about that was not that he went fourth. It actually made a ton of sense for them to take a receiver. But there was like no smoke around him to the Titans, which is really interesting to me. Um, when you think about that organization, who they talk to, because it kind of came out of nowhere.

All right, it's time for a little game of answers and questions. This is Celebrity Pop Culture Jeopardy. We got our contestants, Mina Kimes and Jeremy Tashay. Please remember, your responses must be in a form of a question. Mina, are you ready?

How does it work? Are we— do we—

no buzzers, no buzzers. You're taking turns.

We're taking away your cheating advantage. Yeah.

Okay, Mina, you are going first. Are you ready?

I guess I can give you a book that's about 45 pages long that explains on how to take turns.

All right, here is your first clue.

That's my 2-year-old right now. All right, yeah.

All right, the fictional high school in Saved by the Bell?

Oh, um, forget Saved by the Bell. I can't remember.

I'm sorry, Mina. I'm sorry. You know, without that fake buzzer, you're not very impressive.

What is Bayside High?

Oh, Bayside. Yeah.

Jeremy.

Jeremy, are you ready?

I am ready.

All right, here is your clue. The singer that released the album Jagged Little Pill.

Who is Alanis Morissette?

Correct.

All right, so I've got a football question now for Mina. The Raiders, what is going to happen at their quarterback position?

Oh, he'll play. I mean, Fernando Mendoza. I think the question of when is obviously the one of the defining questions this season. I was looking at their schedule. The first few weeks are kind of easy. It's entirely possible that Kirk Cousins holds him off for a little bit. And it's actually unfortunate because the back half of their schedule is harder, which is not optimal for a rookie quarterback. I do question whether they did enough to surround either of them with talent, though, invest in the offensive line. But they didn't add a receiver and some pretty weak receiving group.

Mina, here is your clue. The phrase, the phrase Michelle Tanner would regularly say on Full House?

Oh my God, um, I didn't watch it. You got it, dude. Did somebody just whisper that to me?

No, no, I'm sorry, you did not phrase that in a full— who whispered?

Who's helping her?

Who won? Well, either way, she didn't get the point.

She didn't get it. That fake buzzer and that book not helping her much right now.

No, I just didn't Watch Full House.

All right, Jeremy, here's your clue. This was the color lightsaber that Luke Skywalker used in Return of the Jedi.

What is green?

That is correct.

These are way easier.

You didn't watch Full House. You also didn't participate in the Spanish Armada. These are things that you know.

I— yeah, I don't know.

You don't know. It's clear you don't know.

We're picking on this Jeopardy champion.

I just have no idea how she won a million dollars.

I'm gonna run it up.

No, I have no evidence of that, that she's any good at this.

It wasn't Pop Culture Jeopardy, it was normal. I would not win Pop Culture Jeopardy. I'm not a pop—

that's why I said I would win.

I— if you had asked me before, I would not have said I would win.

Okay, she is competitive. She's so competitive. This competitive streak of yours is a little unseemly, and Pablo warned us that you were like this. If you can just—

Give her a year. She's going to go to a lot of trivia nights across assorted bars around America.

They call it Fight Club.

She's not going to be able to—

And she will be ready for us.

Yeah, she hates this humiliation here publicly the way that you—

I don't!

I know how competitive you are. I wish you'd quit lashing out. Uh, the team in football that you believe is going to surprise us this year uh, is blank.

Oh, the team that is going to surprise you this year. Um, okay, so I'm trying to pick not an obvious team like the 49ers. I think our team that'll probably be pretty good despite playing in a horrible, horribly difficult division. Um, I'm pretty— I'm, I'm high on the Jags, and I feel like maybe it's been a little bit forgotten how good they looked in the second half of the season and how well Trevor Lawrence played.

That means she's trusting Trevor Lawrence. That's dangerous. I think she's one of the few—

I think she trusts Liam Cohen is who she trusts.

Well, I think that Liam Cohen— yes, I think that they've added good players. I know they had kind of a wonky draft, but they're really balanced team. We just did a quarterbacks draft on my show, the Midcom Show featuring Lenny, and I think he went Trevor Lawrence with went 12th or 13th, which might surprise people.

Let's play the celebrity pop culture game again. I don't know how many of these we're gonna do. Uh, if she loses another one, if it's, if it's best of 5, she's, she runs the risk of losing right now.

Mina, I actually share an agent with Paul F. Tompkins. If you want me to put you guys in touch, we can do that.

I know I need some, I need to study up.

All right, Mina, here Here's your clue: a popular snack food whose original slogan was, "Once you pop, you can't stop." What is Pringles? That's correct.

All right, fine, you're back. Yes, I guess it's a commercial.

All right, Jeremy, here is your clue: this man made you answer in the form of a question, creating Jeopardy!, and had you buy a vowel, creating Wheel of Fortune, but he made his bones as a daytime talk show host.

Finally, a hard one for Jeremy.

Who is Merv Griffin?

I had nothing there.

Oh boy, now it's getting a little closer. We are making this— all right, uh, best of 5. Give me all of your thoughts on Troy Aikman working for the Dolphins and uttering this sentence.

Here it comes, the sentence Dan asked for.

I don't feel there's a conflict, but I will say I'm pulling for the Dolphins.

That's a great device, Chris.

Thank you, Ethel Mertzman.

I think the Dolphins could use all the help they can right now. I do not understand what this team is doing at all. It's like half of the team is rebuilding and half of them didn't know. It feels like I'd like— if they had gone full tear it down, rebuild, fine. Trading Jaylen Waddle and all of the other moves that they made, but then keeping Achan and paying Malik Willis in free agency, it feels like it's happening on a different timeline from the rest of the team. And I actually like— like, I like Malik Willis. I liked that signing. I thought it was a good you know, why not take a shot on him? And they keep saying, well, you know, it's— this is a multi-year thing and we're going to see what we have in him. He's not going to get another chance if he's awful this year and he's being set up to— maybe I'm wrong, you guys. I like Willis and would love to be proven right after getting dunked on after his draft. But I just feel like this is like an awful situation for him.

Okay, Mina, here is your clue. This movie actually won the Best Picture Oscar in 2017, despite Warren Beatty and Faye Dunaway mistakenly saying that it was La La Land.

What is Moonlight?

That's correct.

Now he's getting the easy ones.

Okay, here is your clue, Jeremy. In the movie Swingers, Vince Vaughn and Jon Favreau played this video game trying to make Wayne Gretzky's head bleed.

Come on, I can picture it.

Come on, I know that.

I don't know it.

What is NHL 94?

I was gonna make my dad answer.

No, I didn't know that.

All you had to do is—

are we tied? We're tied. Tie ball game.

Oh, transparently I thought NHL was too obvious.

Look at the competitive Mina Kimes all of a sudden. Uh, can you explain to me what the Steelers just did? And wouldn't Malik Willis had made— wouldn't that have made more sense there for both him and them.

Malik Willis would have been fun. So would have— so would Kyler Murray, who, right, who we know signed for a minimum contract, would have cost significantly less than Aaron Rodgers. It just feels like the Steelers treading water and trying to come out of this with another, you know, winning season, making it to the playoffs and then getting eliminated. Right. It just feels like if you're a Steelers fan, it's just so hard to get excited about it. I do think that they they improved the group around Rodgers and the offense could be a bit better as a result. But at this point in his career, you know what you're going to get from him. The ball is going to come out super quick, not going to push it downfield a ton. He's not going to play well under pressure. Outside of the first read, you're not going to get a lot. And I, it's kind of, I feel like it's dispiriting if you're rooting for the Stars because you, at least with those other options, there'd be, yes, it could be worse, but you also have some options. Like there'd be some upside potentially.

We have less than 2 minutes left and this needs to decide it or we need to ask another one. So let's move it.

Rapid fire.

Roy.

All right, Mina. Dan Levitan wanted to find out from Spence what exactly was the endgame in this HBO Sports sitcom.

What is Ballers?

That is correct.

All right.

Jeremy, here's your clue.

A lot of pressure.

Fox aired a special episode of In Living Color to counter-program against the Super Bowl halftime show still away viewers. The next season, the NFL decided to have this bad singer perform. Super Bowl halftimes would never be the same.

Who is Michael Jackson?

That's correct.

Ask another one then, Amina. We gotta break the tie here. Now it's, uh, best of 6.

Okay, Amina, here's your clue.

It doesn't make sense.

The Harlem— the Harlem Globetrotters were founded in this city.

What is New York?

That is incorrect.

Oh, tricky.

Chance to win.

Chance to win here for Jeremy.

Oh boy.

Oh boy.

Oh, okay, Jeremy, here's your clue. That's TLC doing the theme song for this '90s Nickelodeon show.

Ah, what is All That?

That is correct.

Yeah! Oh no, what an upset! Oh my God.

Fine.

Mina, good game.

Tony, what was the score?

Oh, 4-3 in a best of 7. Jeremy wins.

Good game, Mina.

You're amazing and I love you.

Mina destroyed.

So disappointing.

I'll take the L. Clearly a product of— I should have gotten base side. That was—

this is number one on my resume, Mina.

We've humbled you.

Yep. Uh, thank you, Mina. I'm sorry, Mina. You're nothing without your 80-page book.

It's okay, I accept this. Good job, Jeremy.

Thank you.