Transcript of GOOD FOLLOW - Jordan Angeli on NWSL Championship, + 2025 NWSL Lookahead, & More

Welcome to Good Follow, presented by Draft Teams. I'm Megan Reyes. Here with me is Logan Hackett, and joining us today is former Pro player and current analyst, Jordan Angeli. Jordan, welcome to Good Follow.

Thanks for having me. I'm excited to be with you, Megan and Logan. This should be really fun.

I'm excited to talk some footie. As we know, the NWSL Championship is set, and we have number two seed Washington spirit taking on the Shield winning, Orlando Pride. This is the first time since 2019 that the one and two seed are facing each other in the final. Jordan, is this the matchup that you expected?

I don't know if it was the matchup we expected. Maybe when we first saw the actual bracket, I think throughout the season, everybody was hoping it would be Orlando, Kansas City. But then as the bracket, I And I did choose Washington to beat Gotham last weekend. I thought it was going to be a big task for them, and it did prove to be that going all the way to penalties. But I'm excited it's one versus two. I think that the way the season played out this year in NWSL, there was a bigger difference between the top four teams and everybody else. And so it felt like we got two of the best semifinals I think we've ever seen in NWSL. And then we get this final, one versus two. You said it hasn't happened since '19, or Orlando has a big chance to be just the second overall club to be able to repeat Shield and then win Championship. So we'll see what happens.

So, Logan, last week, we all had... Yumi and Darien had Gotham going on to the final. So what are your thoughts on this match?

It's odd because even after the game, I saw the one, two on the bracket sheet that end up yourself hosted, and I was like, Wait, Gotham was a... Sorry, Washington was a two-seed, and this felt like an upset. I think maybe because of the big names or just how they've been playing recently. But with that said, Washington does deserve to be here as well as Orlando. But I think... I don't know. I don't know what to expect in the finals when it comes down to these two teams now, because in my head, I feel like we were so Goth of winning this game.

Well, the road to the final was not easy, and both semifinal matches last week were incredible. All the drama we could have hoped for. So let's start with Orlando up to one in the 81st minute. Marta was not taking any chances. And so let's take a look at the goal that booked Orlando's ticket to Kansas City. She's so incredible. She's 38 years old, juked four defenders like it was nothing. Jordan, is this going to go down as probably one of the greatest goals of all time?

Yes, it's the goal scene across the world. Everybody is talking about this goal. And I think, how lucky are we that we get to witness this? We get to witness Marta, that she has been one of the players that all of us have really looked up to for so long, and she continues to do incredible things like this. You know what's funny, you guys? I was listening to your podcast last week with Darien, and she said, Marta is going to try to go to her left. And as this play was happening, I was like, Wait, her left? Don't let her go to her left. Don't let her go to her left. And you thought that the defenders did a really good job. But man, someway, somehow Marta finds a way to make everybody look foolish. And yes, it's the best goal I think we've seen in a long, long time.

Yeah, there's some things that you just can't You can't defend. Martha does that with her footwork. You can't be that yourself. Yeah. Well, I also want to talk about defenders, but I want to talk about pride defenders. So Emily Sam's and Cory Dyke, they did a really good job of shutting down Tema Shauwenga. What did they do well? And how will this work next weekend against spirit, and especially with a player like Trinity?

I think one of the things that they did well is they actually defended Temo Shouwinga really well in the last matchup. So if you go back to the last time Kansas City didn't score a goal and Temo Shouwinga didn't score a goal, it was when they played Orlando Pride, and Cory Dyke had Shouwinga in her back pocket. So I think this was the first time we've actually seen Shouwinga go into a game without the confidence of, I've I know how to beat this defender. And they use that to their advantage. They not only stepped high in moment, the cover, so that is Emily Sands, the cover in those moments was really good. If Cory Dyke went high, Sands would then cover that space in behind. But also, Cory Dyke has just been a revelation for this Orlando team, started playing outside back. She's a central midfielder by trade, started playing outside back and has taken a hold of that position. I thought her recovery runs were really well. She didn't bite at a lot of things. Actually let Temwusha Winger receive the ball and then play the space in behind. That is going to be really important for Orlando to make sure that they can hit Trinity Rodman with good pressure in moments, but also protect that space in behind.

And Rodman has done something where she switched back and forth. She's not always playing on the left side or on the right side. So it's not just going to be those two on the right for Orlando. It's also going to be the defenders on the left side that have to be aware of that pressure cover situation.

So, Logan, we've talked a lot about how when Tema is quiet, I guess, on goal scoring, how Casey obviously struggles. Were you surprised to see this from Orlando's defense, or were you expecting this?

I was and wasn't. I mean, they needed to have some way to stop her. And I remember we've been saying in pre-production, they weren't really chipping the balls up to her as much as they used to. That's their go-to. But I was actually interested to hear Jordan's take on it because because I'm not a very big defense person. I mean, I didn't play. I'm still learning as I go. And I was like, What was it that they really locked in on to stop Temwa? Because at the end of the day, that's their key. But then the rest of the forwards, they also did a pretty good job stopping them as well. So I think overall, they did an amazing job, and it absolutely does go to last game as well, and they have something to ride off of, whereas Temwa didn't have any momentum there.

And I think not having Lola Bonto was big for Kansas City because that is the favorite person for Temwe Shewinga to get the ball from. And her coming off at halftime and really not looking like herself in the first half, I think, was a big miss for this Kansas City team.

Well, before we move on, I actually want to talk about that a little bit because we talked about in pre-production how we were both surprised that Lo was subbed off early. Possibly, I don't know if there's an injury she's finding, but were you surprised to see her come off so soon? And that's obviously an important game.

I was surprised to see her with that big leg wrap. I think that was the biggest shock because she has been so resistant to injury throughout her career that I was like, Well, something must be wrong. And then watching her play in that first half, she's such a cerebral player that she's really good at cutting off the passing lanes defensively from the back line of an opponent into their front line. So she's constantly cutting those passing lanes off, so she could do that. But it did feel like she was missing a little extra bite that she normally has in pressing moments, in tackles, and how she distributed. So after that first 45, I wasn't surprised she came off because she didn't look herself. It looked like it was more of a hindrance to this team because they weren't able to go quickly in transition because she wasn't in those spots that she typically was, which was such a bummer. You want this to be the best against the best in those moments. And Lola Banta was one of my picks for best 11 in this league. I thought she was so excellent this year, and so that really hurt Kansas City in this game.

Well, let's move on to the spirit. They have yet to beat Orlando this season, but now this is the only game that matters. I mean, hey, you're playing for a Championship, and they're playing for their second in four seasons. So what do the spirit need to do to lift the trophy on Saturday? Start with you, Jordan.

Yeah, that's a good question. It's going to be a tough task for the spirit, because when you're looking at goal production for them right now, it's not coming easily. Everything that they're scoring is off of set piece situations. They're not really scoring run of play. Even that Tara McKeown goal is off of a set piece. She comes up and gets the rebound But for me, I think spirit have to rely on what they've been good at all year, is their defensive presence in a good mid-block and trying to deny this Orlando team of playing centrally through some of the players that really set the tone for them. And if they can win some of those balls and go in transition, we know that Trinity Rodman loves herself a big game. She will show up in a big game. And so I'm expectant of Rodman to have a really big performance. And then also Ashley Hatch. I think Hatch's performance on the front line and how she links play, how she drops off the line at moments, but also how she penetrates and tries to be a really good target in the box. That's where she's going to make her living, and she has an NWSL.

So can she be a good box presence for this Washington team? Defensively, they're solid, and we saw that. They can trust Aubrey Kingsbury because of what we saw in that semifinal. But offensively, they're going to have to create through the run of play in order to keep up with Orlando, who creates a lot of goals in the run of play.

What about you, Logan? Who is going to be your key player for spirit this weekend?

I think all the rookies because you have your Trinity and the Ashley Hatch, but they have had such a big impact on this team. I mean, they scored that goal both McKenna and how it was them together. They were teammates, they're rookies, and I think all six rookies scored this season. They've had an incredible year. And the way that they push them forward, it's, well, one, an added component, but two, I feel like it lifts the team and gives them a new energy. When they're not performing, they don't really seem to be as quick and bouncy and on it and scoring as much. So I think all those rookies, even to the back line, are going to have to be on it.

Well, actually, I want to take a look at the goal that you're talking about.

A Herschfeld Kruger on that far side. All targets on this delivery.

Morris with a free kick. And the equalizer in stoppage time. I love this moment so much. And, Logan, I know you're It was so big on McKenna Morris. So the fact that it was Makenna to Hal was very exciting. But it was one of those things when I was watching it, I was with my boyfriend, and he was like, Wow, this is such a cool angle. The way the broadcast was set up, it looked like a video game. So to have it be that moment where she perfectly served the ball right to Hal, and it was just such a beautiful header. It was such a fun moment for the spirit. But yeah, this rookie class has really stepped up. I think Hal has been playing that sixth role really well. What are your thoughts on her, Jordan?

I love her. I I think she is the future of this League, the future of the national team. One of the things that's really interesting is she's had to play a deeper role since the injury to Andy Sullivan in that last game that Orlando played Washington spirit back for the Shield in October. And she's just dropped in there seamlessly. She's press resistant, so this backline for Washington spirit can play the ball to her under pressure. She is one of the best midfielders in the League when it comes to progressive passes, so she loves to play forward. And with the spirit team and some of the things that I was just mentioning, they're going to have speed on the wings and that extra step, I think, where they can really beat Orlando in some moments. And it's going to be important for Hal Hirschfield to not only have that edge that she has defensively, but also be a key cog to them and how they go forward. But I love her. She doesn't look like a rookie. A lot of these rookies on this team don't look like rookies. And I think that's a lot of credit to Jona Heraldez and Adrian Gonzales and what they've built there at the Washington spirit.

So last question on this matchup for you. Obviously, we know that Hal Herschel is such a pivotal anchor, especially at that defensive midfielder position. But then on the other side of the ball, Orlando in their midfield, they have Haley McCutchen and Angelina. So how do you see this midfield battle playing out?

I was just talking about how I think this is going to be the place in the game where I'm most interested, because everything else is a little bit known, right? We know what's going to happen in the channels. We know Barbara Banda and Marta. We're going to have to keep an eye on them. And And then on the other side, Quasi and Rodman. But in the midfield, they have so many technicians. And so I think for McCutchen and Angelina, one of the things that they've done really well is found space to play in the half spaces between the lines of their opponents. So whether that's McCutchen coming out a little bit wide to help find the ball and progress it into Banda or Marta, or them play both a little bit low and pull the defensive players in that midfield higher there to create space in that second scene between the midfielders and the defenders. They do so many good things. I love Angelina. I think, gosh, what a big pickup for Orlando last offseason to bring her in from Seattle where she wasn't playing. I can't believe she wasn't playing for that Seattle team.

And now she has such a big role on this squad. That's the battle, I think, in the midfield and how those maybe five, six players really start to figure out what's working and how to break the opponent down. That's going to be where I'm watching the most.

Okay. Well, before we move on, we're going to do a very rapid fire. Logan, who is your pick to win Championship on Saturday?

Orlando. And I'm almost so confident in it that I'm like, I feel like there could be an upset somewhere. I wouldn't be surprised just because I'm so confident, but Orlando all the way.

What about you, Jordan?

I'm going to Orlando, too. I think it's going to be a close game, but it's hard to beat this Orlando team and to slow them down what they can produce going forward. So So I think they're going to do it. I think they're going to win the Shield and the Championship.

I also have Orlando. Later in the show, I'll get into a little bit about why that's my pick. But yes, I think Orlando, and I really want Marta to get that Championship. So we are Orlando across the board. Well, let's move on to the two teams that came up short in the semifinals last weekend. Let's start with Gotham. They are a team coming off a 2024 Championship, and as we know, they are loaded with stars, both in NWSL and internationally. Jordan, what do you think prevented them from being able to get back to the Championship?

I think it was some game management, to be honest, which is interesting. Gotham was one of the best teams throughout the regular season of winning one-goal games. And when it came to winning a one-goal game, when it counted the most, they weren't quite there. I thought they could have done a little bit better when they had the lead late in the game to keep the ball in situations and prevent Washington from getting that momentum to get that equalizer that we just saw. So they do so many things good attacking-wise, but in those final moments where you have to keep a lead, I think they could have done a little bit better and relied on some of that leadership a little stronger to pick up some of those pieces that weren't working well.

So again, as we've referred to a lot, and as we all know, the team is very talented and very stacked. If they're able to keep this roster as is, what are your expectations from them next season?

I think it's the same as this season. They're going to be a team that makes the playoffs, and And then when you make the playoffs, anything can happen. And we saw that from Washington. I don't know if they were the better team on the day, but they found the result, and that's what mattered. So for Gotham, I think now under new ownership and new head coach in Juan Carlos Amrose, There is an expectation for them to make the playoffs. And I would imagine now that they all have gelled for a full year, we won't see a ton of changes. I don't know. We didn't think there was going to be a ton of changes from last year to this year. But I would doubt we see a ton of changes, but now they're going to expect that they have another big run in the playoffs.

My expectation is for them to also, I would just like to add, sorry, work on penalty kicks. Please, I am begging.

Well, and then also, I think the return And Jordan, the current of Midge Perce should also hopefully help them as well. Well, let's talk about Kansas City Current. As we know, they came up short last weekend, but their season has been interesting. They finished second to last in '23. And this year, they had a record-breaking season, came up short to Orlando, were so close to playing for the Championship in their home stadium. But Jordan, what do you think current need to focus on in the offseason to get back to that Championship caliber team?

They did so many things well this year, but they really relied on their strengths, and they made their strength their strength, which was playing quickly. When they got the ball, they didn't care how many passes it took to get to the goal. They didn't care if it was a beautiful build up, they said, Let's go score goals. And they did that again and again and again. I would like them to work on just having a variety to their game a little bit. So we see them switch their tactics from going super direct in transition to, Okay, let's hold the ball, and utilize some of these really good central midfielders, really good outside backs, to maybe build up and break down a team in that way. I think that variety will be difficult for teams to prepare for. But also, they I have Temua Shouwinga, and I think she's going to continue to score goals in this league. So that is the one tweak, I would say, is just a little bit more variety in what they're doing going forward.

Logan, what about you? What are your thoughts on Casey, and what do you expect from them next season?

I completely agree with variety. I mean, you always know what you... Or you knew every single game what you were going to get. They were probably going to score a lot of goals, if not try to score a bunch of goals. It was going to Temua. Their forwards were running things. But really, once it got back to their defense, it was Oh, are they going to let... How many are they going to let buy this game? So I think really working there. And honestly, maybe goalkeeping. I feel like they had ebbs and flows with their goalkeeping, and it wasn't that consistent. So I'd like to say more consistent.

Well, coming up, we continue our look ahead to the 2025 NWSL Championship with our favorite game, Rebuilt, Reload, Rerun. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Good Follow. Let's take a look at the 2025 NWSL season with a game we like to play called Reboot, Reload, Rerun. So here's how it's going to work. I'm going to tee up a team, and our job is to determine what they should do next. Should they blow the whole thing up and reboot their team, make some big moves this offseason and reload, or should they stay the course and rerun with what they've got? You all ready to go? Makes sense?

Let's go. Ready.

Let's start with NC Courage, who finished fifth overall in the regular season. Their season ended in the quarter final with a 1-0 loss on the road against Kansas City Current. They went 12, 3, and 11 this year, and this was the sixth time the Courage has made the playoffs in seven seasons. Should they reboot, reload, or rerun?

Rerun it. Rerun it. And I think one of the big reasons is they're going to get a healthy Caroline back. So I think that was the missing X factor to this team to really score the amount of goals that they should. I love this North Carolina team. The way that they play, their style of play under Shanne Haas is, I think, probably one of the most beautiful in the league. And as they get more comfortable, Ashley Sanchez gets more comfortable in this with Caroline alongside of her up top. I think that rerun in it is going to be just what they need to do.

I was going in between reload and rerun, but you honestly just pushed me to rerun.

Yes. Well, why were you leaning towards reload?

I feel like their consistency was really lacking, especially towards the end of the season. They already clinched a playoff spot, but I'm pretty sure they had some really close games, if not a loss or two, to teams that were at the bottom of the table. And granted, the top four teams were really hard to crack. I mean, that was the semis that we ended up seeing. But I would have liked to see them perform better in certain games and situations.

Well, they have four different key players who are free agents this season. So it'll be interesting to see what they do, but I'm all for rerunning it. As you said, Caroline being back will be huge for them. To me, they're a little bit of a sleeper this season. They were doing so well, and everyone was talking about Casey and Orlando and Gotham for obvious reasons. But in my opinion, they quietly stayed in that top five team for a good part of the season. So having Caroline back, they're definitely going to be a force next year. Yes. Okay, let's move on to Chicago Red Stars, who finished eighth overall this season. The club also announced their rebrand. So starting next year, they'll be known as Chicago Stars FC. Stars FC President said, It is time to evolve our identity as a symbol of this new chapter. So with that said, should they reboot, reload, or rerun?

Reboot it.

I'm with you, Logan. And I actually am between reboot and Rerun because I think they... Sorry, Reboot and Reload. Those are the two. Reboot and reload, because I do think they brought in some key players this year. If this team has Sam Stob and she stays healthy the whole time. I think it's different, but you're probably not going to get her back until midway or maybe even later in the season. That's why I'm like, do they need to reload potentially? But they definitely have to find some key pieces that add to this team. They need to get some good midfielders. And I would say they need to add somebody to the front line who is a goal scorer. Swanson and Ludmilla are really good on the wings. But can you get a nine who loves scoring goals? I think that would really help them in the way in the style that they want to play. So you tell me, is that a reboot or is that a reload? I'm not quite sure.

Oh, it's a hybrid of the two, I feel like. Logan, why did you think they wanted to reboot? Because maybe that will help us come up with a definitive answer.

I feel like it all comes down to goal scoring and having their stars. I mean, you have Mel on the team, but you have big names. But when it comes on the world stage, look at the team like Gotham, let's say, you don't have as many of those big names. Killer goalie. Amazing. Keep her. Keep Mel. But I feel like there's some pieces that they could still switch around, and the fact that they're rebranding, it all goes together.

You know what? That's fair. I think I would consider that a little bit of a reboot. Also, notes here, they have 10 players who are free agents, including Alyssa Nair. So maybe this is the time to just reboot and just start over.

I did see real quick that Alyssa Nair signed a one-year deal with them pretty recently, so she will be back next season, which is great news for them. Defensively, they put a lot of pressure on her, so it is going to be key that they take some of that pressure away from their goalkeeper and add some key pieces in the midfield. I think that would really help them.

Okay, well, let's move on to San Diego. They finished 10th overall this season. Obviously, we know some big news legend Alex Morgan retired, but the Wave have already made moves just recently, signing University of Texas Forward Trinity buyers. This season, Wave went 6, 7, and 13 in regular play, and their final three-one win over Racing Louisville felt like a warning to the league for next season. So for NWSL fans, it's a little bit of surprise. They had a very solid first two years in the league, and then they struggled this year. So should they reboot, reload, or rerun?

I want to say rerun, honestly. Rerun But reboot the front office or coach. Reboot the back workings because they have the team to be able to succeed. And I remember even talking when... Who was it? Casey Stone? Was she the coach of this team?

Yes. And then they- At the beginning of the When she got fired.

Yeah, when she got fired, then they brought in Landon Donovan, and I'm pretty sure he's out. I was just reading some stuff about that. But somebody is capable of turning this team into a championship team. I mean, you have the players, you have the names. So I say, Re-run, run with a reboot on the back-end.

What are your thoughts, Jordan?

I think I went to reload because I thought, if you're bringing a new coach in, you're going to have to reload in some ways. With the players on this team, you would expect more out of them. And I think that's why it was so confusing to us to see this season from San Diego, where they really struggled to score goals. I think they scored nearly, I don't know, 20 something goals, which is not enough compared to what they are capable of scoring. So it reload with a coach that can fit this style in this system. We saw under Landon Donovan that he was pretty aggressive in the way that this team wanted to go forward, and they could handle that. Their defense can handle an aggressive line. They can handle playing a little bit higher And then it gives freedom to players like Maria Sánchez, who's on this graphic, and Delphine Cascarino, who is going to be one of the top players in this league next year with a full season under her belt. They have the capability to score a lot of goals. So I think it's a reload when you talk about new head coach, new coaching staff coming in.

They just have to make sure they make the right decision that suits the players that are in this squad.

Well, they have nine free agents of their own, so it will be also interesting to see what they do in this offseason. And yes, as we know, they've had some front office issues as well. So hopefully they can just iron out the kinks, and maybe they'll get back to being a very dominant team that we've known them to be. But let's talk about the other Southern California team, Angel City. They went 7, 6, and 13, and finished 12th overall, just missing out on a playoff spot thanks to a win from Bayes FC. They were still without Kristen Press for most of the season, but they had their top goal scores, Claire Emensley and Sydney LaRue. Should Angel City, Reboot, Reload, or Rerun? What are your thoughts, Jordan?

I think this Angel City team also should reload. I like Becky Tweed, I think she has really good ideas and a nice style of play that fits this team. I think they could use... They looked better with Katie Zellem in the midfield, but I think they could use another key midfielder, someone to help them in the 10 spot to Who played Kristen Press, Claire Emzley, Alyssa Thompson. That's a good front line, and you're going to see a healthy Kristen Press now. On the back line, I think they're good. Dede Hadachich had a great year in goal, but could they get someone to just challenge her a little bit to push in that spot, I think would be helpful for this Angel City team. So there's consistent growth back there. But I think it's just a little bit of a reload. A couple of key players in the midfield, maybe one along the back line, just to help with the competition week in and week out.

Logan, what are your thoughts on Angel City?

Admittedly, I watched a ton of NWS all this year, and Angel City was not a team that I've watched so much. So, Meg, I'm going to let you take my answer.

I do watch a lot of Angel City, and my answer is also going to come as a follow-up for Jordan, who's the expert here. But I think it's a little bit of a reload and a reboot. I think they have... On paper, they have all the players, right? Especially Actually goal scores. But for some reason, it's just not working. And it's, I think, in my opinion, for someone who didn't play soccer, so I don't know the tactics as well. It's just the ball is getting somewhere lost in the midfield. So I agree with Jordan on they need someone else in the midfield. But my question for Jordan is also, defensively, they have struggled. They're giving up goals late, and they're either drawing games they should have won or losing games that they should have won. But you have a player, and I talk about this a lot, and And admittedly, I'm friends with her, but you have a player like Sarah Gordon in the back line who can't do it all. But how much do you think the injury to Ali Reilly threw that back line off their game a little bit this year?

And do you think they need help in the defense? Yeah, I think they could. But if you have a healthy Emme Vignola, I think that maybe changes, too, because she is so good in that outside-back position. I think that this team could pull in Orlando. Orlando lost out on the playoffs last year because of goal differential. And over the offseason, they committed as a team to being better in the final 15 minutes of the game. They ended up throughout this whole year into the final, only giving up two goals in the final 15 minutes of the game. They went all through until the second to last game of season without giving up a goal in that time. And that's mentality. So I think a player like Sarah Gordon can lead that mentality, help create that culture within the group, because that's the difference between making the play and not. And I think that this team has the ability to do that. They just have to change some of the culture, the mentality within them.

Okay, last team in our game. Let's look at Seattle Rain, who finished 13th overall, which was their worst season in the club's twelve-year history. So a little bit of notes for our viewers. As we know, they lost Megan Rapino to retirement at the end of last season, and they had key players like Rose LaVelle, and Leesonet and Sam Hyatt join Gotham super team in the offseason. And then they also They also traded Alana Cooke to Kansas City and Bethany Balser to Racing Louisville. It's a little bit confusing because they have goal scores like Jordan Hytema and Veronica Latsko. And Laura Harvey is one of the most winning-est coaches in NWSL, if not the most winning-est coach in the league. So it's a little bit of questionable why they went 6, 5, and 15. So should Raine, Reboot, Reload, or rerun?

I was trying to think back to the episode that we had, and we were talking about this team and why they weren't doing so well. And I think it came down to defense that they lost their key players on defense, and they all went to teams where the defense is thriving and doing so great. So you could tell that they were making an impact, clearly, and the impact is not there with the rain. I don't remember exactly what their goals against was, but I'm pretty sure it was pretty high. They don't really have anyone who can hold it down. So I'd say reload on that end.

What are your thoughts, Jordan?

Yeah, that was nice. I'm going to go reboot. I think that this team needs a reboot because we have seen this clear identity from Seattle for so many years, and a lot of that had to do with the players that they had, right? Lou Barnes, Jess Fishlock, Megan Rapino. They had players that helped them have the same identity for a long, long time. And that's all under Laura Harvey. But I do think, and she tried to do it at the beginning of the year, but they dealt with so many injuries that they couldn't quite switch their identity. I think they need to bring in some fresh players, some youthful players. And they've done that a little bit, bringing Jordan Bug in as a young U8 team player playing in the back line. But rebooting the identity of this team, it can still be winning in championships because that's what they want. But I think it has to be different when it comes to how they're playing on the field, and that might come with a couple of new players in the backline, which would be really crucial. But also, I just think they need a better goal scorer.

I think Jordan Hydema is good, but a little inconsistent in moments. So can you get a nine that consistently scores goals because you know G is going to find her? So I'm going to reboot. I feel bad, Seattle, but I think we need a shake up there.

I'm with it. I am all for a reboot. That's our first reboot of the game, and that's the fun part of this game, is getting to play GM a little bit and saying, let's blow it all up and start over. So we'll take the reboot. I'm for that one. Okay. Well, that's all for our game of Reboot, Reload, or rerun. And Jordan, before we let you go, as we know, the foundation of our show Good Follow is that communities get built one good follow at a time. And so we like to shout out a person, page or brand that is doing excellent work in sports and in women's sports also. So who would you like to spotlight as your good follow?

I like that question. I get to work with so many really great people throughout everything that I do. And so I would say Lisa Carlin. She She's been working hard at this for a long time. She works over at Attacking Third. She's going to be a part of the broadcast this weekend for NWSL Championship. So she's a good follow. Go follow Lisa. Give her some love.

I love that. The whole crew at Attacking Third and CVS, you're all doing wonderful things. I learn a lot every time I watch. So everyone, go and follow Lisa, and also just the Attacking 13. But Jordan, thank you so much for joining the show. It was so wonderful to have you on and to learn from you, and we will see you in Kansas City. Yes.

Thank you guys so much for having me.

Well, up next, Logan and I go back to school. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Good Follow. So we have spent a lot of time discussing the pros, but now it is time for Logan and I to go back to school and discuss some of the top college athletes and teams. So the NCA College Cup is underway with USC, Duke, Florida State, and Mississippi State, all as onesies. Logan, do any of these teams surprise you, and do you like one of these teams to win at all? This is women's soccer, obviously. This is a good follow.

I don't think any of these teams really surprised me. I mean, All of them have been on a pretty good run. Florida State, the level that they're at, they do still have a one seat, but the level that they're at right now is a bit surprising. And then when it comes to winning at all, I have Duke this year. They are on a heater.

Florida State doesn't surprise me at all. They have such... I don't even know the word, but they have such a historic women's soccer program. A little bit surprised to not see Stanford at one. I mean, they are ranked pretty high, but they started the season very strong, and then towards the end, they dropped a little bit in the top 25. So you have Duke, I guess, upsetting Florida State for that back to back to back Championship.

Yes. They've only lost two games. I mean, they're just on... With that said, they did lose in the ACC Championship to UNC, Rivalry. Love to see it. But I think just with the way that they're going, they've had so much success, and it was a huge step up last year.

Well, Notre Dame, they may not be a one seed, but they have leading goal scorer Izzy Angle, who is playing lights out. Let's take a look at this absolute filth she put on in the finish from this goal in the first round of the College Cup. Washing the ball back into the box by Ossbeck. Angle just gets that final touch behind the leg and finishes an incredibly clean goal. It was so clean, and Izzy now has 17 goals in 19 games. Logan, Which NWSL team, if we're coming back to our combo on NWSL, which NWSL team could use Izzy right now as a goal scorer?

Oh, there's a lot. There's a lot of teams that could just use goal scores, period. But I would actually like to see her on Angel City, especially because she's young. Let's say she were to declare for the end of yourself, they do really well with young players in developing them. We saw them with Alyssa Thompson and Giselle, and I think her style of play fits into what they have going on.

I like it. Well, Notre Dame has now produced three straight players to win an ACC of the Year Award. In 2022, Corbate Albert, as we know, who also plays on the US women's national team, won ACC midfielder. And in 2023, Ava Gattino won ACC defender. And since then, both of them have had national team appearances. So now with Izzy Angle as ACC freshman of the year, is she the next Notre Dame player that we may see on the women's national team?

Absolutely, especially taking not only the ACC CCC, which is an incredibly tough conference, but just the soccer world by storm as a freshman. I mean, it's almost like when we're watching basketball and we see a freshman putting up 30, like a juju type thing. I mean, when you look at the list of the players with the most goals this year, she's the only freshman on the first page, and she's in there with seniors and juniors. So I think definitely she'll end up on the national team. It's just a matter of when and when she starts to get more eyes on her.

We'll mark our words When you see Izzy Angle on the US women's national team, Logan and I talked about it here first. And Izzy isn't the only forward having a great season over in the SEC. Graduate and forward Ava Tangerishley has become the first two-time SEC forward of the year in league history with 12 goals this season. With the NWSL draft gone, as we know, with the new collective bargaining agreement, there's now no NWSL draft. So with the draft on, Logan, which NWSL team would you like to see Ava side with? Again, another goal score.

Yeah, very hard. I would say Bayes FC was the first that came into mind. I mean, I know they have a good front line. They have Rachel killing it. Same with Oshua, right? They're both on the front line. Oh, wait. Now, I think about it now. Too many goalscores. Let's go with Seattle Reine. Yeah, that's just way too dominant. Let's go with Rain.

Okay, I like it. I mean, as we just talked about, we think that Rain needs to completely reboot, including finding a more consistent goal score as Jordan shared with us. So I'm all for it. Ava to Seattle Rain. Okay.

Yeah. And she's young, too. If Jordan stays, I feel like having a young frontline is so exciting.

It's going to be really fun now without having a draft, which the draft was always fun, but this process is a new era. It's never happened for a league to have a draft and then eliminate it. So this process is going to be interesting. If any of these players declare for the draft, it'll be really fun to see where they all end up.

Absolutely.

Well, for now, it's It's time for Logan and I to say goodbye to school. I personally don't miss school, but it's time to say our goodbye. Go watch the College Cup now through December ninth. Coming up, I reveal my DraftKings' Picks of the Week, and Logan shares her latest good follow. We'll be right back. Welcome back to Good Follow. Before we get into our weekly picks, our partners at DraftKings have an offer that is perfect for any game day. Right now, new customers who bet five dollars will instantly get $250 in bonus bets. Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app and use the promo code Goodfollow. That's $250 in bonus bets to spend on parlay's live betting or picking straight up winners after betting just five dollars. If sports betting is not available in your state, you can still join in on all the fun with DraftKings Daily Fantasy and have the shot to win cash prizes. Again, download the DraftKings Sportsbook app now and use promo code GoodFollow for $250 in bonus bets after betting just $5. Only Only at DraftKings Sportsbook. Okay, now it's time for this week's DraftKings Sportsbooks Picks. It is my favorite time of year.

As we know, NWSL Championship is this weekend. We've already covered this match in-depth, but we know this game is going to be electric, and I'm thrilled. Logan and I both get to be at CPKC Stadium. I really admire what Washington spirit have done this season, and you all know I love me some Trinity Rodman, but I'm going for Orlando Pride to have their fairytale ending to cap off their historic season. My player to watch is, of course, Marta, the greatest player of all time, will get her NWSL Championship that she deserves, hopefully, after being with the pride since 2017. So, Logan, what are your final thoughts on this game?

I am so excited, and I'm so excited for Marta because she won at Championships, I believe. She was in the NWSL before the NWSL was the NWSL. The WPL is what it was called. She won with them, but she's yet to win an NWSL Championship. And I mean, She's the goat. She is absolutely goaded. We don't know when her career is coming to an end. I really hope not anytime soon. But regardless, I'm so excited for both the teams to be competing for this Championship, and it's going to be a really good one.

Okay, so should we make a prediction? Because I almost wonder that if Orlando were to win, and obviously, Marta gets her championship, does she go out on a high note, or does she keep playing? I mean, she looks like she still has plenty of juice left in the tank.

I was thinking about that in the shower, actually. Really random thought. But I was like, Yeah, is she going to go out on a high note? Maybe she'll want to continue. Maybe she doesn't even want to retire. We're just having this conversation for no reason. But I think what prompted the thought was, What if Washington Wins. And then I was like, Marta is coming back for sure. I mean, that is not somebody who is going to go out without winning a championship. So I'm not too sure. She looks like she could still play for five, six, seven years. Normally people start to slow down and she's coming back up.

Yeah. As Jordan said, and as we all know, we are so privileged to be able to live in an era where Marta plays soccer and we get to watch her. Okay, well, let's move on to basketball. On Wednesday, Unrival announced their teams. We've been waiting for this moment. Let's watch this video.

This is where it currently sits. So I think there's a few tweaks that could be made. We have all spoken, and we decided Kate Martin to the Laces Basketball Club.

Shifted Lexie home to the Rose Basketball Club. Wow. Okay. Anything else?

Last thing, the Wild Card is now going to the Lunar Owls Basketball Club.

So we're good with these basketball clubs. If you were assigned to any of them, you guys would be happy? We're good. That's correct.

So, Logan, Who do you think is going to be the best team in Unrivaled?

I love the whole entire process, I have to say, of all the coaches coming together and just making fair and balanced teams. I didn't know they were going to move people around and everything, but I don't know. The first time, I like the... Laces is a fun team. I'm going with the laces, but honestly, they look very, very balanced and fun. This is great.

Yeah, this is going to be... It's like watching an All-Star game, but all season.

Exactly.

Well, let's talk a little bit more hoops, because last weekend, Yukon head coach, Gino ORIamo, tied former Stanford head coach, Tara Van der Meer, as the winning this coach of all time. By the time this airs, he will probably have faster. Logan, when it's all said and done, will Gino go down as the greatest men's or women's coach of all time? This is such a hard question.

I feel like he'll be definitely on the list, probably at the top until everyone else reaches the end of their careers. Because I mean, I don't know, women's basketball, you just have so many legendary coaches. What's Dawn Staley's career going to be like when she's finally finished? But I just found out today Gino began Coaching, Yukon in 1985.

. That is so long.

11 NCAA titles, 23 final fours, 28 regular season titles, and 27 conference tournaments. Those are some insane stats I don't think, can be replicated. So it'll definitely be at the top of the conversation. If he's one of the first to retire, I know Tara did last year, but if he's one of the first in this new era, then I'd say, yeah, for sure.

Well, as we know, Gino has produced a lot of very good players at his time at Yukon. I mean, if he started with Yukon in 1985, and you think about every person that has come out of that program, it's the best of the best. And one of them, as of most recently, of course, is our girl, Paige Beckers. She dropped a contested buzzer beater and then had a very interesting celebration after recently. Let's take a look at this. Good off the bounce. She's got nine here in the first. Beckers.

Good if it goes. Got it.

So petty, and I live for it so much. On a scale of one to 10, how savage is it to skip in front of your opponent's bench?

It's very. The way that she was looking at every single one of them, too. I wanted to know the feeling that she felt in that moment.

Oh, my gosh. I live for moments like this. It's what makes sports fun.

Did you see Flange? I think they were playing Troy, and she hit a contested three and looked back to their bench and blew them a kiss. I don't think it was as big as this one, but it was out there.

It's villain era, and it's what we need in women's sports. I love it. Well, speaking of Paige, we now know the official draft order of the WNBA draft, Dallas Wings locked in the very first pick. So we were all wondering where Paige is going to go, and it looks like she'll probably be heading to Dallas. So how do you feel about this? And then she'll be teaming up with Erika Agumbawale. So what do you think of this pair? And everyone's talking about how this is going to be a very good team.

Yeah. Everybody is also talking about how they feel so bad for Paige because she fits in LA and everything like that. It was pure luck. The whole lottery thing was all numbered of people at different odds. But I honestly love her in Dallas. With that said, for some reason, if she decides that she does not want to be in Dallas, Kiki Rarifen is a great fit for them. I don't know how they're going to work out with two shooters. I mean, they're backcourt. They were good on defense last year. I think regardless, she'll be an asset to any team that she's on. But Dallas, the way that they're also rebooting their whole... I mean, they're getting new coaches. They have new facilities this year. It's not like they're in the trenches or anything. So I think she's going to be a huge asset if she gets drafted there. It's so exciting because Enrique is a very fun player, and so is Paige. So it'll be like a little double... What's it called? Double duo?

A duo? A duo? A dynamic duo?

That's what I'm thinking of.

Page to the League. It's time. We are very excited. Well, as we know, the foundation of this show is that communities get built one Good Follow at a time, and each week, one of us shares a person, a page, or brand as our Good Follow of the Week. Logan, it is your turn this week. Who is your Good Follow?

My Good Follow is Indivisa, which is a company that Meg and I both have a lot I've done a lot of work with. I do power rankings with them. I'm going to the End of a sale of championships with them. Meg, I have seen your Jersey fit checks. You've done every single team, right? And they are incredible. But they're such an amazing brand to work with, but also consume what they're putting out. It's all for women's football. And originally they were huge. Well, they still are, but they started with football in the UK, and they made their way over to the American space and put themselves right into it. They're doing so well. But let's take a look at what they do in the UK. Come with me to watch Man City. It's a quick walk to the stadium before we get in to watch the warmups. Now, the vibes here were crazy. Look at this sign and look at how much Chloe Kelly loves this sign. I was gagged. We needed a quick refreshment, but I had to run down the stairs, grab my seat because Bunny Shore scored within seconds. It was crazy.

And of course, she got a hat-trick because this is what she does, people. For Friday Night Lights, games, it doesn't get better than this with goals, drama, and obviously a little snack for the way home. I absolutely love the editing in that. But that's... They have a creator concept, or they use a lot of different creators in different spaces to just show the whole world of football, and I absolutely love it.

I adore the organization. Great people. I'm very fortunate that I get to work with them, and I love that Logan does also. And yes, we will both be creating content with them this weekend at NWSL Championship. So I cosign, definitely go follow, and stay tuned with what we both have cooking up.

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