Transcript of Election Day Features Voter in Labor, Hot Dems & Don Jr. Warning of Ohio Statehood | Min Jin Lee

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This episode of The Daily Show's Ears Edition covers the 2026 midterm Election Day, with Ronny Chieng tracking odd moments from polling places, a voter who went into labor while casting an early ballot, and exit polling in New York City. He also looks ahead to the 2028 presidential field, weighing candidates such as JD Vance, Gavin Newsom and John Kennedy.

The second half features novelist Min Jin Lee discussing her book American Hagwon, about Korean cram schools, family sacrifice, elite college admissions, and why bad things happen to good people. Listeners will hear her argue that sequencing sacrifices and committed relationships helped families survive economic shocks.

In this episode Ronny Chieng, Min Jin Lee

This episode's transcript on Election Day and Min Jin Lee's American Hagwon was made with the technology HappyScribe uses to transcribe video to text.

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Speaker 200:00:28

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Speaker 300:00:34

From the most trusted journalists at Comedy Central, it's America's only source for news. This is The Daily Show with your host, Ronnie Singh.

Ronny Chieng00:00:56

Welcome to The Daily Show. I'm Ronnie King. It's election night, and we got so much to talk about. Democrats try to lock up the horny vote, we get the only exit poll that matters, and today's the 2026 election, so it's time to start stressing about the next one. So let's get into all of it. Our ongoing coverage of the midterms, indecision 2026, some of America decides.

Well, this is it, people. The midterms are finally here. Are you excited? Yeah. Yeah, you are. You're a bunch of nerds all across the country today. Millions of people who are too stupid to vote early flooded their local high school gyms to make their voices heard. And of course, because this is America, there were the usual obstacles in the way: fears of intimidation, voting machines that didn't work, and in one particular case, some very big distractions.

In Kansas, election officials say a woman went into labor while voting early.

Speaker 500:02:04

At one point, the contractions were coming about every five minutes, but she was determined to get that ballot cast.

Ronny Chieng00:02:11

Yeah. Let's go. That is either a woman who really cares about democracy or a baby who really wanted to vote illegally. Look, lady, I know your vote matters, but it's also statistically insignificant. So it's okay to skip it if you're pushing a baby out of your vagina. But it just goes to show you how much people care about voting. Sometimes it's from a sense of civic duty.

Other times it's because they just really support what this great president has been doing.

Speaker 600:02:48

I've just been following Trump the whole time. I really think he's doing an awesome job. I mean, everything from the border to the war in Iraq to just the fraud. The fraud's been incredible.

Ronny Chieng00:03:06

So this guy being sarcastic? I don't know what's happening. OK, I don't know what this guy meant to say, but he is correct. The fraud has been incredible. Also, I don't know what this guy meant to say, but did he say the war in Iraq? This guy is like 10 seasons behind on America. No one spoil it for him. It doesn't end great. Anyway, always good to get the opinions of voters who have a 50-50 chance of getting their junk stuck in the voting machine.

Ah, I can't get it out. It's a quagmire. Just like our current war in Iraq. Of course, it wasn't just everyday Americans voting. It was also America's sorest losers.

Speaker 700:03:51

NewsNation caught up with Congresswoman Hailey Stevens as she was in here to cast her ballot for Mike Rogers. You're getting a lot of backlash. Does it feel worth it to have endorsed Mike Rogers today? Any comment at all about how you're feeling?

Speaker 800:04:05

I'm with my mom. We're you know, this is our tradition here.

Ronny Chieng00:04:08

Yeah. You know, me and my mom have this tradition where we betray all our core values, then put on a hat that looks like a giant Pringles. Please respect our privacy at this time. Leave Hailey Stevens alone now. She just wants to have a lovely day with her mom and then, after some quiet reflection, push her in front of a speeding bus. But even as voters headed to the polls to cast their vote and cracked their heads slipping on amniotic fluid, politicians were still traveling the country, making their final pitch.

Like Don Jr., presidential son and dumbass who somehow let Kimberly Guilfoyle get away. He stopped in Ohio yesterday to warn them what would happen if Democrats took Congress.

Speaker 200:04:55

They want to what is it? Save democracy by destroying democracy. They want to pack the Supreme Court. They want to make Ohio a state.

Ronny Chieng00:05:08

Look, we don't always see eye to eye, but Don Jr.'s right. OK? Politics aside, Ohio should not be a state. It's going to change the demographics of this country, and they're never going to assimilate into our culture. Also, once a state gives us JD Vance and Vivek Ramaswamy, it should be at least downgraded to whatever Guam is.

Meanwhile, while Don Jr. was on the stump, Don Jr. Sr. was doing the podcast circuit to make his case to people while they fold laundry a week after the election. Because even after two years of midterm campaigning, there are still important questions to be asked.

Speaker 900:05:58

Now, two last questions, quickly. Who is your best-looking administration official? Is it JD Vance, Marco Rubio, Scott Bessent? Which one of those three? Or is it someone else?

Ronny Chieng00:06:12

OK, actually, you know what? There are no more important questions to be asked. OK, we are done here. Also, that's a demeaning question that no one should have to answer. But if you asked me, I would. JD Vance, marry Marco Rubio, and kill myself. Look.

Thank you for cheering for my suicide. Look, I'm not going to tell anyone how to vote, mostly because if you haven't voted yet, it's too late. The polls are closed. But I will say that if the Democrats do retake power, at least Democrats will finally have a dominant party that is focused on serious issues and not how hot their candidates are.

Yeah, some of those are pity hots. OK, that's not to call anyone out specifically, but you know how sometimes there's like a group photo of hotties where the overall average is definitely giving one person a boost? That's Troy Jackson. OK? This is so stupid. I'm not voting for Democrats because their candidates are hot. I'm voting for them because George Soros pays me to. Besides, good leadership has nothing to do with being hot. Have you seen the Founding Fathers?

There's a reason their main dating pool was their own slaves. OK? So yeah, that's right. Slavery is bad. So yeah, maybe neither party is giving voters the best reasons for making a choice. But for some reason, a lot of people voted today anyway. So we sent our news team out to do some exit polling.

Speaker 1000:08:26

In the polarized political climate of 2026, who you cast your vote for can be an incredibly personal decision.

Speaker 1100:08:32

And as members of the news media, respecting the privacy of that decision is absolutely crucial.

Speaker 1000:08:38

Who did you vote for, Republican or Democrat?

Speaker 1100:08:40

Democrat. Who did you vote for, Republicans or Democrat?

Speaker 1200:08:43

I voted Democratic this morning.

Speaker 1100:08:44

Gotcha.

Speaker 1300:08:47

Socialist.

Speaker 1200:08:49

Pardon?

Speaker 1000:08:49

Now, did you vote today for Abdul Al-Sayed?

Speaker 1100:08:52

I did not. I live in New York City, not Michigan.

Speaker 1000:08:55

OK, so you refused to vote for Abdul Al-Sayed.

Speaker 1100:08:58

I guess you could say that.

Speaker 1000:09:00

Wow.

Speaker 1100:09:00

Who did you vote for today, Republicans or Democrats?

Speaker 1200:09:03

Democrats.

Speaker 1100:09:04

Democrat. Do you think it's selfish that you just voted to deny Americans $5,000? What other things are you selfish about? Me time. Totally, girl.

Speaker 1000:09:15

They say that maha moms will be the deciding vote in this election. You don't vaccinate your kids, right?

Speaker 1100:09:21

Of course I do, because I have a brain. Yeah.

Speaker 1000:09:24

I mean, it is ridden with autism.

Speaker 1100:09:26

Today, did you vote with the Republicans or with the Communists?

Speaker 1200:09:29

I would say with the Communists. No.

Speaker 1100:09:37

With the Republicans.

Speaker 1200:09:38

No.

Speaker 1100:09:39

I can tell this is a private thing for you, so let me ask you something else. What's something you've never told anybody? And I'll keep it quiet. We'll turn the cameras off.

Speaker 1200:09:51

I have a mustache and I wax it. I tried to laser it, but it didn't work. Do you have that problem?

Speaker 1100:09:56

I don't. I'm completely hairless.

Speaker 100:09:59

Turns out you can ask people anything.

Speaker 1000:10:01

Speaking of who you voted for, how often do you masturbate?

Speaker 1100:10:04

Which of your partner's friends are you most attracted to? Are you comfortable with your penis size?

Speaker 1000:10:11

What is your favorite porn category?

Speaker 1200:10:13

Lesbian milf.

Speaker 1000:10:14

Thank you so much. Have a great day.

Speaker 1200:10:16

Thank you.

Speaker 1100:10:17

I am curious, who did you vote for today, Republicans or Democrats?

Speaker 1200:10:21

I'm independent. I'm not answering that question.

Speaker 1100:10:24

OK, gotcha.

Speaker 1200:10:25

Thank you.

Speaker 1100:10:26

We have to respect her privacy. Let's follow her home.

Ronny Chieng00:10:32

Thank you, Troy and Grace. When we come back, we'll treat you to the next top politicians asking for your donations. They don't go away.

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Ronny Chieng00:12:22

Welcome back to the Daily Show. The midterm elections were today. So to analyze all the major updates, we turn to Josh Johnson in our Indecision Analyst Zone. I'm Josh Johnson, and this is the Analyst Zone. This is usually when I'd make some sort of crass anal sex joke, but not tonight. No time for butt jokes. There's a hungry hole of information, and we got to fill it.

Dare I say cram it. The polls have been closed for 12 minutes, so you know what that means. It's time to move on to 2028. Who's running, who's not running, and whose nurses are telling him he's running so he finishes his oatmeal? So let's start with the leader of the Republican PAC.

Speaker 1500:13:16

Vice President JD Vance is widely considered to be eyeing a potential run for 2028, and he has been crisscrossing the country for midterm candidates.

Ronny Chieng00:13:25

Well, not surprisingly, the early Republican front runner is the grand wizard of ick, JD Vance. And he must really want the job. Why else would he be the vice president for Donald Trump, a guy who's tried to take out 50% of his vice presidents? The good news for JD is he's got some name recognition. The bad news for JD is JD's name is JD. We're electing a president, not the captain of the ultimate Frisbee team.

You think AJ Lincoln would have freed the slaves? No, he'd be too busy hacky sacking, all right? He'd be like, bro, four score and seven years ago? We used to party, man. But while his name may not feel presidential, he makes up for it with his patented JD charm.

Speaker 1600:14:28

I just called them the fart left, not the fart left. I promise, that was an accident.

Speaker 1700:14:33

I had a dime mountain dew yesterday and won today. I'm sure they're going to call that racist too. I love you guys. What do you call a fly with no wings?

Speaker 1200:14:45

Walk.

Speaker 1700:14:45

A walk. OK, very good. That's terrible.

Ronny Chieng00:14:56

Yeah, Trump's going to hang him. Moving on to the Democrats. There are a lot of names being floated right now. Pete "Baby Face" Buttigieg, Josh "White" Obama Shapiro, and Andy, not interesting enough to have a nickname, Bashir. But the one Democrat everyone's talking about is California Governor Gavin Newsom. He hasn't officially declared his candidacy, but he is doing everything you do before you run.

You know, write a book, make a black friend, and the opposite of making a black friend, fly fishing with Jake Tapper.

Speaker 1800:15:41

Yeah, no, look, I mean, I got nothing more to say on it. I wrote about it in the book briefly, and the whole thing was brief. And you know, and it certainly has defined a lot of those years as mayor.

Ronny Chieng00:16:01

And that was the highlight. That was the most exciting moment we could find. So those are a few of the bigger names, but there's some second-tier candidates who, you know, are going to throw their hats into the ring.

Speaker 1900:16:19

It's no secret that I want to be president.

Ronny Chieng00:16:24

Pass. Who else you got?

Speaker 2000:16:26

As a guy who's, you know, thinking about running after this election.

Ronny Chieng00:16:30

Again, pass. Isn't there anybody else who wants to run?

Speaker 2100:16:34

Are you thinking about running for president?

Speaker 2200:16:37

I would consider it. On my side of the aisle, if a bunch of goobers run, and I think they're goobers, and one of the goobers might win, and I think I could do a better job, I would consider running.

Ronny Chieng00:16:52

Oh, shit. Time's up, goobers. That's Louisiana Senator John Kennedy, and I can see him making a serious run for the White House. For starters, he appeals to both sides of the aisle. He's got the voice of Foghorn Leghorn and the haircut of your lesbian Aunt Sheila. And his name's John Kennedy.

That's pretty presidential. You know, no big deal if he changes the name of the Kennedy Center. But there are some serious question marks. For starters, he's 74, which in America is way too young to be president. Also, I'm from Louisiana, so trust me when I say I am 98% sure he's just a smooth-talking alligator in a wig. Now, it's important to remember that all this will they, won't they is pure speculation at this point.

In fact, only one person is officially declared for 2028.

Speaker 2300:17:57

I won three times. Now I'm going to do it again. Thank you.

Ronny Chieng00:18:09

I can't tell if he's joking. Point is, whichever the 2028 nominees may be, the important thing is we're only two years and seven minutes away from finally talking about 2032. And I'm watching clips of Jake Tapper fly fishing with future President Mr. Beast. Thank you, Josh. When we come back, Lee Min Jil, if you join me on the show, don't go away.

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Ronny Chieng00:21:32

Welcome back to the Daily Show. My guest tonight is a bestselling award-winning novelist whose latest book is called "America and Hogwas." Please welcome my good friend, the one and only, Lee Min Jil. Thank you.

Oh, my God. OK, so your previous book, "Pachinko: Named 15th," New York Times 100 best books of the last 21st century. Amazing. 15th. And I have to say, that book, not my genre at all, but no explosions, no superpower, no spy shit. I read it because I respect you so much, and it got me back into reading. So thank you so much for writing for "Pachinko."

Yeah. All right, it was a patient. It was a page-turner. I couldn't stop reading it. I recommend everyone go read it. And then I read this, cover to cover. Great book, "America and Hogwas."

Speaker 200:22:43

Thank you.

Ronny Chieng00:22:44

Can you please tell us a bit about this book? You don't have to summarize it because there's too many people in the comments section who don't read, and they want us to explain this in, like, 30 seconds. That's impossible. Just read the book. But great book. Every page, I was just engrossed. How would you kind of, without any spoilers, describe it?

Speaker 200:23:02

Without any spoilers. Without any spoilers. So Helen and John are the parents. They have three kids, Bo, DH, and Mito. The kids are born in Paramus, New Jersey. The parents are South Korean. They go from Sydney to Seoul, back to Sydney, and they end up in Orange County. And they're trying to raise their kids between two different financial crises.

Ronny Chieng00:23:21

OK. It's a story about family. This is also a story about education.

Speaker 200:23:25

And about wisdom.

Ronny Chieng00:23:26

Wisdom.

Speaker 200:23:26

About wisdom.

Ronny Chieng00:23:27

Yeah. And can you just tell for the ignorant Americans in the watching this what is a Hogwas?

Speaker 200:23:34

Hogwas is a learning center in which you pay money to learn a skill like tap dancing, how to be a broadcast journalist, to be a comedian. You can go to a Hogwas in Korea for that.

Ronny Chieng00:23:43

Really? There's a Hogwas for comedy?

Speaker 200:23:45

Definitely. Definitely. Even K-pop drama, anything.

Ronny Chieng00:23:48

Oh, OK. But that's not you see, because when you wrote this book, it really was like I felt like you wrote it for me.

Speaker 200:23:56

I did. I did.

Ronny Chieng00:23:57

Everyone feels that way because the story in it is so.

Speaker 200:24:00

I even interviewed your wife.

Ronny Chieng00:24:01

Yeah, you interviewed my wife for it as well because in it, the family is from Asia. They go to Australia, which is what I did. And then also, I went to tuition centers in Singapore. I call it tuition centers.

Speaker 200:24:16

Which are Hogwas.

Ronny Chieng00:24:17

You call it Hogwas. But the way you describe Hogwas is way more holistic. In Singapore, you're like, people are tap dancing and learning comedy. That's not what the is happening in these Singapore tuition centers. They are beating the Chinese into people. I'm telling you.

Speaker 200:24:33

Did you beat did you get beaten?

Ronny Chieng00:24:34

Yeah, I got beaten all the time. I got beat Chinese because I went back to I went back to Malaysia, Singapore. I was the kid who I would wake up in Malaysia at 4:00 a.m., take the bus into Singapore to study. So I was going across the border anyway. And I went I moved back to Singapore when I was eight years old from America. So I had no Chinese in me. And I had to learn Chinese from scratch. And Chinese teachers hate eight-year-old boys, Chinese boys who cannot speak Chinese. They take it's a personal offense.

Speaker 200:25:05

A front.

Ronny Chieng00:25:05

A front. And they beat it into you. And I know I've seen you do interviews where you also got beaten. But you got beaten for, like, you were just, like, walking in the back of the class.

Speaker 200:25:12

That's right.

Ronny Chieng00:25:12

Yeah.

Speaker 200:25:13

That's right. I got hit. I was six years old. I finished my worksheet, and I was walking back and forth in the class. And then the teacher said, come up in the front of the classroom. So I went to the front. She said, take out your hands like this. So I held my hands out, and I thought I was going to get a present.

Ronny Chieng00:25:27

And you did. The president of discipline.

Speaker 200:25:31

That's right. And I got smacked in my hands quite a bit.

Ronny Chieng00:25:35

Yeah, so we get beaten all the time. And so whenever these American kids when American kids complain about some stupid bullshit, I'm always like, you guys are soft. And I've seen both sides. You've kind of I think you saw both sides as well, Western education and Korean. And I saw Singapore and America and Singapore and Australian, for that matter. So I was able to compare it. And I was like, yeah, they just beat it into me.

Speaker 200:25:57

But do you think that you benefited from all those tuition centers?

Ronny Chieng00:26:00

Yeah, the beating I mean, the beating made me kind of, you know, whatever about the world. It was my villain origin story. I mean, the tuition centers well, this is the thing I was trying to get at before we talked about these beatings because, again, the tuition centers, it's a lot of scared parents putting their kids into these things because they don't know what to do. And they're like, you know and I was even a problem kid. I was like a straight arrow guy.

Speaker 200:26:31

Do you have a job now?

Ronny Chieng00:26:32

I have a job now, kind of, you know, saying you to people. I don't know if this is a job. I wasn't even a problem kid. I just.

Speaker 200:26:39

You're a truth teller, Ron. You're a truth teller.

Ronny Chieng00:26:40

OK, sure. Thank you for beating me, Singapore. Thanks for beating the truth into me. But the tuition centers, did I benefit from it? I mean, I don't know. It made me tougher. I don't think it made me a better student. You know, I wasn't a great student, but.

Speaker 200:26:59

I never went to Hogwas.

Ronny Chieng00:27:00

Oh, you never? OK, yeah. But you interviewed, like, 1,000 people.

Speaker 200:27:03

Yeah, I interviewed a shit ton of people.

Ronny Chieng00:27:04

And I remember you said in interviews that you went in kind of, like, thinking these Hogwas would be these terrible places where children are for. And then you kind of changed your mind.

Speaker 200:27:14

Oh, totally, because all these Koreans said to me, I hate Hogwas. They're horrible. They cost much money. And then I said, well, then did you go to Hogwas? They're like, yes. And I said, well, are you going to send your kids to Hogwas? They're like, absolutely.

Ronny Chieng00:27:25

Right.

Speaker 200:27:26

So I said, I'm confused.

Ronny Chieng00:27:29

No, that makes complete sense to me.

Speaker 200:27:30

Right? So then I went to go visit all these Hogwas, and I met the tutors. I met the parents. I met the kids. I went to the regular school, the actual formal school. And you see all these disconnects between the practice and theory of learning.

Ronny Chieng00:27:45

Right. And I'm sorry. I want to go back to what you were saying. You didn't go to Hogwas because you talked about how your mother is a very well-adjusted woman who actually didn't want to force it on you guys.

Speaker 200:27:56

Yeah, she well, she was a piano teacher. Her whole attitude is, you can't make kids study.

Ronny Chieng00:28:00

So was she wrong? Was she wrong? Because you can make kids study. You can beat it into them with stick. I know because that's what happened to me.

Speaker 200:28:09

Right. No, no, this is good. If you want to become a comedian.

Ronny Chieng00:28:12

Yeah.

Speaker 200:28:13

This is good.

Ronny Chieng00:28:14

If you want to be a comedian, beat the Chinese into your kids every day. Have I said beating kids too much on this interview?

Speaker 200:28:22

No.

Ronny Chieng00:28:22

I feel like for five minutes, I've just been talking about being beaten. And this is the other thing. It's like Americans again, like, I'm going to overgeneralize here, but Americans are very weirded out by this because I talked to Trevor Noah about this before, about how we always get beaten as a kid. And Americans are like, what? You got beaten at school? Yeah, man. In Singapore, they would beat us. And then they would.

Speaker 200:28:42

It's illegal now in Korea.

Ronny Chieng00:28:43

Oh, is it?

Speaker 200:28:44

It used to be.

Ronny Chieng00:28:45

Someone should tell Singapore because this is I don't know. They would hold us I just want the interview to talk about this beating. So they would in Singapore, they would call assemblies.

Speaker 200:28:55

Ronnie, are you OK?

Ronny Chieng00:28:56

OK. OK. Why? Why? Why? What? What? It's normal. This is.

Speaker 200:29:02

No, you're perfect. This is how we get it all into our system.

Ronny Chieng00:29:05

Yeah. But again, so I really want to get your opinion on education here because that's kind of one of the big themes of this book. And I could tell you really care about education because you're very detailed about it in the book, the whole process of going to college and Hogwas and everything and the stress that people feel. So is education in America OK?

Speaker 200:29:26

No. No. I'm really worried.

Ronny Chieng00:29:28

You know what would fix it?

Speaker 200:29:29

I do know how to fix it.

Ronny Chieng00:29:30

Yeah, I also know how to fix it.

Speaker 200:29:35

We just need this giant.

Ronny Chieng00:29:36

We know how to fix it. Yeah, so what is.

Speaker 200:29:40

Well, I'm really worried about America because I think our generation.

Ronny Chieng00:29:43

Why? It's fine. What are you worried about? It's fine. It'll be fine.

Speaker 200:29:48

OK. Well, if you say so.

Ronny Chieng00:29:49

Yeah, just.

Speaker 200:29:51

No, the general competence has really gone down. Our kids really are not doing so good. And they're really worried, too. They're really anxious.

Ronny Chieng00:30:00

OK, but that's every generation.

Speaker 200:30:02

Well, I don't know. And also, the average reading level of the average American is around sixth or seventh grade.

Ronny Chieng00:30:10

It's OK. Just watch YouTube. It's OK.

Speaker 200:30:14

And I'm really worried about the fact that they don't know what's true or verified information, which affects civics.

Ronny Chieng00:30:20

Yeah.

Speaker 200:30:21

Just saying.

Ronny Chieng00:30:22

But what do you think? Is Hogwas the answer in America? I mean, what is.

Speaker 200:30:26

No, I don't know if Hogwas are necessarily the answer, but I do think that we need to start talking about what's going on with the kids right now and also the fact that every single state in America has different standards. And all this choice is sometimes really good. But if the kids aren't learning the stuff that they need to know for a very fast-changing world, then maybe we should focus on it. Maybe the politicians start talking about it.

Ronny Chieng00:30:49

Yeah, that's never going to happen. That's never going to happen. These guys are these woke liberals in the thing are just so idle. But so you kind of went 180 on Hogwas, right? So now, is that something in America that we should do? We should have Hogwas with.

Speaker 200:31:10

Well, what I did see is in California, for example, they had different kinds of Hogwas. They had working-class people Hogwas, and they also had really, really expensive Hogwas. And some Hogwas are basically daycare centers for working parents. So if you're a cashier in H Mart and you bring your kid to a Hogwas because you've got no place else to send your kid, and it's about only $400 a month, and there's actually a van from the Hogwas that picks your kid up from school and keeps them there until about 7 o'clock at night, that's basically daycare. And the kids get worksheets and a juice box and a pretzel.

It's not the lowest thing in the world.

Ronny Chieng00:31:44

Yeah, sorry to interrupt you, but yeah, I was going to say because you've talked about this before, but you don't mean that in a bad way.

Speaker 200:31:48

No, I actually think it's a good thing because the kids are at least safe.

Ronny Chieng00:31:52

Right.

Speaker 200:31:52

If you have the kid alone in an apartment, it's not safe.

Ronny Chieng00:31:55

Sure. You've also talked about how I also want to emphasize that this book is like I don't want to put anyone off, people thinking that this is just for Asian people. This book is great. And one way no, no, but one way you described it in an interview was that you said that you love talking about the Korean diaspora. That's your focus.

Speaker 200:32:12

Yeah.

Ronny Chieng00:32:13

But you also said that everyone is a diaspora now.

Speaker 200:32:16

That's right.

Ronny Chieng00:32:16

All in society.

Speaker 200:32:17

Because you have all different kinds of diaspora. You have environmental diaspora. If your state is too hot and there's too many fires, maybe you want to move. That's environmental diaspora.

Ronny Chieng00:32:27

So white people can also be a diaspora.

Speaker 200:32:29

White people are diaspora.

Ronny Chieng00:32:30

Yeah. OK, good. So this book was also.

Speaker 200:32:33

The original diasporic people were Jewish.

Ronny Chieng00:32:35

OK.

Speaker 200:32:35

It's in the Bible.

Ronny Chieng00:32:36

OK.

Speaker 200:32:37

And then you.

Ronny Chieng00:32:37

OK, another well, since we're talking about fiction, this so everyone can be a diaspora. This is not just for Asian people. One I'm trying to sell your book here. There is another thing that's in this book, another theme in this book, which I find very interesting because I also related to it is the idea of these immigrant family units. So I don't know enough about non-Asian family units in America, so I don't want to overgeneralize.

But these white people but these no, no. So this family in this book, you can read the sacrifice that they do because they have to restart in different countries. And every time they restart, there's this kind of they organize themselves very efficiently as a family unit. So the parents will work. They'll find whatever job they can to survive. They'll save that money. The kids will maybe delay their own schooling to help. They'll try to put one person through law school.

And then that one kid, after he clears his debt, he'll take the money and give it back to his parents and kids. It's like this kind of very efficient sacrifice. So I think that I'm pretty sure any parent, regardless of race I think everyone here, everyone watching, we can relate to parents sacrificing for their kids. Every good parent does that, sacrifice we all know mothers and fathers who sacrifice every day for their kids. Am I wrong in saying that there's just something very uniquely Asian about efficiently sacrificing as an extended family unit?

Because I don't know. Come at me. Come at me. I don't have social media anymore, so all of you. But I just feel like there's this thing where the I don't think white people give their parents money. I don't think they do. I think it's weird. As in, if I say this, people think it's weird. When you do interviews, people are like, it's remarkable how much these parents sacrifice and the kids give money back to their parents. And for me, I'm like, that's not weird. It's weird because the person interviewing you is a white person.

That's so weird. Why did they give their parents money?

Speaker 200:34:41

You give your mom money, right?

Ronny Chieng00:34:42

Yeah, I give my mom money. Of course, you give your mom you give your mom money. Do you know how quiet it is in the studio right now? That's how weird. That's how weird it is. It's weird. It's weird. Come at me, whatever. I don't care.

Speaker 200:34:56

Because you're a good son, right?

Ronny Chieng00:34:57

Sure, but I'm just this is a long-winded question to say that am I correct in saying that that's a very uniquely Asian thing? Or am I off base? I'm happy to be.

Speaker 200:35:03

No, I don't think you're off base. There are certain values in Asian culture which really stress the sacrifice and also honoring your parents. And so filial piety is one of them. The thing that I wanted to ask in this book, which really troubled me because this is not about a dysfunctional family. This family is not dysfunctional.

Ronny Chieng00:35:21

Surprisingly, yeah.

Speaker 200:35:22

I did that on purpose.

Ronny Chieng00:35:23

Yeah.

Speaker 200:35:23

It's actually pretty easy.

Ronny Chieng00:35:24

They're almost idealized.

Speaker 200:35:25

Yeah.

Ronny Chieng00:35:25

Yeah.

Speaker 200:35:26

Yeah, because I wanted to ask the question, why do terrible things happen to good people? Right? Because we want to know.

Ronny Chieng00:35:32

Well, it can't be God because he doesn't exist. So what is it?

Speaker 200:35:37

We are going to.

Ronny Chieng00:35:40

So why do terrible things happen to.

Speaker 200:35:44

And I wanted to understand how these terrible things happen and then also how do good people who are trying to be decent when terrible things happen, how do they survive? And I notice these strategies that are in Asian culture. They're in other people's culture, too.

Ronny Chieng00:35:59

Of course.

Speaker 200:35:59

And mostly, it was sacrifice and sequencing. So if you don't have generational wealth and shit happens and you don't like it, the way we're going to get through this is if you and I, one of us sacrifices and one of us says, you know what? While Ronnie does this thing, I'm going to hold back. And when you're done, then I get my turn. And that sequencing and sacrificing was a really good strategy for people who don't have generational wealth. And that's what I wanted to focus on in the book.

Ronny Chieng00:36:25

Yes. And you did. You bring it out in a very entertaining story. So you're not just ranting about it, but it's the best kind of education where you learn about it despite.

Speaker 200:36:34

I try not to rant.

Ronny Chieng00:36:35

Yeah. Well, I try not to learn. And I just so because and I had to learn because of this. Now I know way more about Koreans and Christians than I ever wanted to know.

Speaker 200:36:44

You're basically Korean now.

Ronny Chieng00:36:45

Yeah, I guess I'm basically Christian now because I read.

Speaker 200:36:47

You're Korean.

Ronny Chieng00:36:48

OK. So I got final last I got some you're such a smart social commentator. I just want to get your quick thoughts on these difficult topics.

Speaker 200:36:59

Let's go.

Ronny Chieng00:36:59

Because I think you're the only person qualified to actually answer this stuff. So imagine that I am a MAGA Asian. And you don't have to imagine that hard, really. I'm 50% there. What would you say to MAGA Asians who have sacrificed a lot, worked hard, did all the right things, were decent people, trying to put their kids into Ivy Leagues, and affirmative action comes in and they believe it has screwed up their plans.

And so they vote against affirmative action. What would you say to me as a MAGA Asian?

Speaker 200:37:34

I think one of the things.

Ronny Chieng00:37:35

First of all, who did you vote for?

Speaker 200:37:38

Democrats down the line.

Ronny Chieng00:37:40

OK.

Speaker 200:37:49

I think that a MAGA Asian person who believes that race-based affirmative action is a bad thing has often been misinformed. I do. I think that race-based affirmative action is a good thing. Now it is actually illegal in America to consider race. That said, I think when you start thinking that this other group is the enemy, you really misunderstand the history of civil rights in America. Asian Americans have benefited significantly from all the work, the hard work and sacrificial work of African Americans in civil rights in the United States.

And then to actually blame them, it's actually completely preposterous.

Ronny Chieng00:38:35

OK, so this book is kind of a critique on Ivy Leagues, college education. So higher education, Ivy Leagues, do we need it? Do we need it? Do kids need it?

Speaker 200:38:45

I think that it's a nice thing if you could understand it for what it is. It doesn't guarantee a perfect life. I think that highly selective schools can be good. But very often, if you only focus on the brand name of a school, you are going to be heartbroken.

Ronny Chieng00:39:03

So what the are we supposed to do then? Just raise holistically well-adjusted kids? Yeah, but that's not going to work because it's too hard. They need a goal. So I mean, Harvard, not worth it.

Speaker 200:39:18

Well.

Ronny Chieng00:39:20

You went to Yale. You can say that. Whatever. I don't even know anymore. Is it worth it? I don't even know. I don't know what's going on anymore.

Speaker 200:39:27

The thing that I really want to focus on is that if you get into one of those schools, great. However, the idea that most people are going to get in is kind of silly because it's a numbers game. They just don't have the spots. If they have 2,000 kids in a class, about 500 are really open to the general public. The other 1,500 are already spoken for.

Ronny Chieng00:39:46

OK, so imagine I'm a young MAGA Asian.

Speaker 200:39:49

Sure.

Ronny Chieng00:39:49

What would you tell me if I'm like, I need to get into these Ivy League things? What advice would you give me?

Speaker 200:39:55

I would say if you want to go for it, look at the statistics that you have and all of your qualifications and whatever there is. However, basically, it's a crapshoot. And I would actually say that actually, grad school is probably more important.

Ronny Chieng00:40:07

OK. So can I so should I go to Harvard or not if you can get in, but.

Speaker 200:40:14

If you get in and if you really want to go, be my guest.

Ronny Chieng00:40:17

Well, I mean, one of the themes in the book is more that they're looking these tutors at a Hogwas get so frustrated.

Speaker 200:40:23

Yeah.

Ronny Chieng00:40:24

And they ask the parents to think of their kids more holistically.

Speaker 200:40:26

Yeah. Well, because I think the tutors are looking at the kids and saying that the kids are really freaked out. All the young people right now, especially between the ages of 12 to 17, are trying so hard to professionalize themselves into thinking about trying to get into a highly selective school. They don't even understand what it means. All they know is they have these brand names. It's kind of like a Rolex watch or Coca-Cola. But they don't actually know what these schools mean and what they want. And they may not even like it once they get there.

Ronny Chieng00:40:54

Right, because they weren't beaten enough in these teaching centers.

Speaker 200:40:59

Mostly that, yeah.

Ronny Chieng00:40:59

OK. OK, this last question for you. How do you oh man, there's so much to talk about. This book is so interesting. I got last two. Can I do two?

Speaker 200:41:08

OK.

Ronny Chieng00:41:08

Is it OK to go two?

Speaker 200:41:09

I'm good.

Ronny Chieng00:41:10

So one of the themes of this book is the IMF financial crisis.

Speaker 200:41:12

Yeah.

Ronny Chieng00:41:13

I call it the global financial crisis. Americans call it what happened? I don't know. So by the way, that's what I also love about this book. You put into words all these things which I've given up trying to explain to non-Americans. You've managed to put it into this story. So thank you so much for doing that.

Speaker 200:41:27

My pleasure.

Ronny Chieng00:41:28

This IMF, which I lived through, the global financial crisis.

Speaker 200:41:30

Yeah.

Ronny Chieng00:41:30

So there's been two this book covers two financial crises, '97 and 2008. What lessons for these kids do you have for the next one that hopefully does not happen?

Speaker 200:41:44

Well, the first line of the book is the rules of engagement have changed already. What I'm really saying is that the reason why all of us feel like shit right now and are really worried is because the rules of engagement for every single field has changed, whether it's in how to get a job, how to do your job, how to find a partner, all those rules have changed. So what are we going to do if those rules of engagement have changed already? So we're going to have to figure out how to be a better problem solver and commit to relationships. That sounds a little strange, but when I did my interviews, the people who survived these incredibly huge economic shocks, who didn't have a whole lot of money to ride out the storms, they were able to do it only when they had deeply committed relationships and people who stayed with you for the whole ride.

And in those relationships, people were willing to sacrifice and sequence their dreams.

Ronny Chieng00:42:36

OK, this all sounds suspiciously Christian. So I'm just going to skip on to the last question. How do you reconcile America being the best place for these people to come to make a living and also being what it is right now?

Speaker 200:42:54

You know, have you heard that expression, America is a place even where our enemies want to live?

Ronny Chieng00:43:01

No, but that's completely correct.

Speaker 200:43:03

It's completely correct because there is possibility in this country. I know that things are really tough right now. At least it seems that way for some people. But it is possible here to have many different acts. And in other countries, it's more difficult to pivot your career, your relationships. And here, it is possible.

Ronny Chieng00:43:26

Yeah, thank you. Min Jin, thanks so much for being on the show. Your book is great. Thank you for doing what you do. Thanks for writing it. Thanks for speaking to us. "America Hogwas" available now. Lee Min Jin. We'll let you have a quick break, but we're right back after this.

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Ronny Chieng00:44:22

That's our show for tonight. Before we go, let's check in with your hosts tomorrow night. It's Michael Costa. Michael, Michael, what do you think you'll be looking at? Ronnie, tomorrow we'll be doing full election analysis and answering the question on everyone's mind. What happens if you accidentally swallow your "I voted" sticker? Tune in to find out.

Speaker 500:44:42

OK, why would anyone swallow their "I voted" sticker?

Ronny Chieng00:44:45

Well, obviously, they didn't mean to, Ronnie. They could have just stuck it on their sandwich for safekeeping and then forgot about it when it was lunchtime. And now they can feel it tickling their way through their small intestines.

Speaker 500:44:57

Did you swallow your sticker?

Ronny Chieng00:44:59

Of course not. I have mine right here. You think I tore this off a 10-year-old after I screamed at him, "Don't tell anyone you saw me eat that sandwich, Brayden?" Of course not. I got this because I voted.

Speaker 500:45:09

OK, that it says I'm a future voter. They don't give those to adults.

Ronny Chieng00:45:16

Well, of course they do. Ask anyone. Ask Brayden. He knows what to say.

Speaker 500:45:24

OK, tune in for Michael Costa at the desk tomorrow. Also, if you missed Jordan Kleppa's special, "Red Flags," then good news. It's airing again right now after the show. So stay tuned. Now here it is, your moment of zen.

Ronny Chieng00:45:37

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Ronny Chieng breaks down an eventful Election Day, including a woman going into labor at her polling station, a MAGA voter applauding Trump for his “incredible fraud,” Haley Stevens upholding her tradition of changing all her political beliefs, Don Jr. worrying about Ohio gaining statehood, and Trump getting asked the most important question this midterm: Who is his best-looking administration official? Plus, Grace Kuhlenschmidt and Troy Iwata hit the streets of NYC to poke into who people voted for.

Election Day 2026 is finally here, which can only mean one thing: it's time to start stressing about 2028! Josh Johnson takes a look at the growing field of will-they-won't-they candidates for the next presidential race: JD Vance is saddled with an unpresidential name AND a lousy sense of humor, Gavin Newsom endures the humiliation ritual of fly-fishing with Jake Tapper, and Sen. John Kennedy positions himself as America's anti-goober candidate. Whoever the 2028 nominees may be, the important thing is we're only two years and seven minutes away from finally talking about 2032.

Award-winning novelist, Min Jin Lee chats with Ronny about her latest book, "American Hagwon." The two discuss hagwons, the specialized Korean skill schools at the center of Lee’s novel, bond over the traditions of respect, sacrifice, and discipline embedded within Asian culture and education, and debate the real value of an elite higher education. Plus, Lee breaks down how her novel’s exploration of an immigrant family enduring financial instability attempts to answer the question of why bad things happen to good people.

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