Transcript of They Saved the NBA All-Star Game? Plus, the NBA’s Tumultuous Week, With Zach Lowe New

I'm waiting to All right, live on Netflix, Zack Lois here.

It's the Bill Simmons podcast. We just watched the NBA All-Star Game, 2026. Team Stripes took it down. I never thought I would I'm going to say these words, Zack. I wish I had gone.

It was a fun game. It was a fun game.

Thirty-five, 40 minutes from my house. It would have been inconceivable to me 20 years ago, 25 years ago, that I wouldn't have wanted to go to the All-Star Game. But it It just beat me in the submission, and I just didn't want to go. Then as the game kept going quarter by quarter, all of a sudden, it became super-duper fun. Fourth quarter, not fun, but first three, super fun.

It was a great... A bit of redemption for the NBA. I made fun of the format. I still don't love the round Robin four mini game format. I love USA versus the World, but it was a pretty competitive game. It wasn't like an NBA regular season level of competition. It wasn't that intense. Transition defense wasn't great, but it was definitely worlds better than two years ago when it was 211 to 180 something. The five all-stars before that were all just dunk, dunk, dunk laziness. This was a fun game. There fouls. There were blocked shots. There was buzzer beaters, drama. It was a lot.

There were a couple of hard fouls. But we did not have a lot of the guy lazily running out to block a three at the top of the key and then just continuing to keep going and then getting the long pass for the dunk. They had maybe two of those in the last game. More importantly, Zack, and you're wearing the sign right now, we defended America from the world.

Stars, Stripes, World. Thanks for showing up. Team USA versus Team USA.

Thanks for not carrying Nikola Jokić.

The one guy who just steadfast... I mean, we're going to give Luca a pass because he's coming off an injury. Jokić is also coming off an injury, but he's been playing and playing a lot of minutes. He just was like, he can't be roped into it. We're like, oh, Wemby's trying hard. He's going to lift everybody up. And Ant's trying hard. He's going to lift everybody up. And the Pistons guys are going like, it's a Detroit Pistons game. Jokuj is like, When is this over, man? Can we just get out of here?

It's so weird because I don't know. I just would think he would love just fucking around in the game and doing weird passes and trying things and just having guys caught and just, I don't know, having this playhouse to do Jokuj things, but he does not want to be bothered. Maybe they should have to get him engaged. Maybe it should be like a horse for the winner, $3 million dollar horse, something like that. Anthony Edwards, MVP, 32 points. One of the things we were complaining about before we came on, the stats, MBC wasn't showing us really any stats. I had no idea how anyone was doing. But when Kawhi ripped off the 31 points in third quarter, we were at least aware of that. I don't know how many points he ended up with. There's some historical stuff that did we decide that that carries over? Did Kawhi have 50 points today? Did he have 45? We don't know. That was probably my biggest gripe, other than Reggie Miller telling us for an hour that the guys were trying because I was watching. I could tell they were trying. But other than that, two thumbs up I thought it was a huge win for a league that needed a win this weekend.

I do like what... The NBA really didn't need a win. I do like it when the announcement and Reggie was the most guilty of this, and I like Reggie overall. It's just like, The world is in desperation mode here. Monster possession. Got to get a stop. It's like, no one's really in desperation. But you don't have to go that far.

Yeah, he was definitely cooking the drama. Well, the big winner of anyone today was Kawhi Leonard, who aspired to be the MVP. He did.

He burned up some nets. He was on a burner today.

He was planting some trees in that third quarter, like left and right. There was a scenario at one point during that third quarter where it was like, holy shit, he's going to win the MVP, and Adam Silver is going to present it to him as Steve Ballmer is cheering in the background And this is just going to be a moment because the general feeling is some resolution is happening with this Clippers thing in the next couple of weeks. I have no idea if that's true. That's just a general feeling. I'm just here to pass along general feelings. But Kawhi went in the MVP would have been hilarious.

I think I think we were all rooting for that, right? I mean, two years ago, I remember Adam Silver presenting the MVP when it was the 200 something to 190 something or whatever game. And just like, shaming the players, just like a cranky, miserable parent who's fed up and just has had enough of the whole thing. Two years later, it would have been, all right, I'm not going to talk about the elephant in the room here. Kawhi Leonard in Inuit dome. Steve Ballmer. Jokic won't play hard for any of this. Steve Ballmer will not settle down. Steve Ballmer is in his same seat doing the same. He has piston arms, churning, he's screaming. He will not settle down. It would have been great theater. And team stars, I think he was a star. Team stars ruined it for us.

Yeah. So the star stripes, it seems like the older players were on the Stripes, but they didn't fully differentiate it because there were some younger guys on that team as well. But the LeBron team had LeBron and Katie and Kawhi. And then poor Jalen Brown, who I think had real ideas to win MVP in the first game, seemed like he was among the people that cared the most. Then Kawhi was just like, Jalen, hold this, and then took over. But I thought the setup, which I didn't really fully understand all week, and nobody seemed to really fully understand it. They asked Kawhi about it yesterday, and he was like, I don't understand it, but it's basketball, so we'll figure it out. I thought it worked. I think it comes back. I think at the very least, with all the other things this has to solve. It seems like we have found something that might work here with the All-Star Game after 15 trials. So maybe there's hope for the lottery now.

Well, can we go through what we liked and what we didn't like? Should we actually discuss the All-Star Game and the format?

I'm ready. I took a ton of notes. So here's my big question for you, and I think it starts here. I wrote down all the guys who seemed like they gave a shit. And it starts with Wemby, Edwards, the two to Detroit guys, Jalen Brown, Barnes, Maxi, Denny.

Booker. I thought Booker.

Booker and Jalen Brunson. All those guys are basically 27 and under. I just wonder if this All-Star thing was a little generational where the Ron generation decided that they couldn't be bothered anymore. The Yoke and Luca generation came in there like, You think you can't be bothered? We're not even going to run. And now we have these young guys. I thought the Detroit guys, especially Duran, I loved how he played today. I thought that a trade guy is genuinely cared. That's why the game was good.

If I had a box score and not four box scores, I would look up how many block shots and steals Kate had in this game because it felt like he had four blocks at the rim and was really trying. It's what you like about the Pistons. It's like the fight against Charlotte is the downside of what they are, but the upside of what they are is like, they legitimately just want to beat the hell out of you and out-physical you and out-tuck you. They want to to make you quit. They want to make you feel like, I don't know. This is just too much for me today. I don't want to deal with this.

Yeah, Durn was like, Really? This is the lineup you're going to play? And just was running a mock in that last game. They named the MVP, which ain't one. I don't think it's a bad idea to name almost like we have all NBA, to name the first team guys who seem like they gave the most shits.

Okay. We'll workshop the name, but sure.

Yeah, I don't know if that's sponsorable. I think that would be tough. Pampers? Well, Wemby, Ant, and Kawhi, and the two Detroit guys would probably be my five. I think Jalen was sniffing it, but then as it went along, but I think that would be my five. Wemby was genuinely enraged when Carl Anthony Towns screwed up.

It was great. It was hilarious. The only thing they needed to do was not give up a three. I think it was Obvia and Towns both rotated to the roller at the same time, leaving all the shooters open. And Wemby was like, I just couldn't believe it.

All the guys around the Carl Anthony Towns chat who have played with them over the course of his career, that was a fun text thread after that happened. Oh, boy. All the guys in the Timberwolves, the Knicks. It was just classic. The announcers are saying, Look, all they have to do is not give up a three. And then he's going with, I think it was Duren for a layup. But Wemby was genuinely mad. It gave Wemby credit after the first game, which was great. And that first game was big because Barnes hit the three in OT. There was a 5. 0t for the win.

Love the target score, by the way. Love the overtime target score. Target score was smart. Great, great touch.

You could argue that should have a target score for each quarter, right?

Sure. Why not?

Yeah, I think we could have gone 40 for each one. Maybe it gets a little faster. But yeah, so Barnes hits the three. At some point, I did an Instagram video. I was making fun of the game because it had all the makings of another boring All-Star game for about five minutes.

Well, I mean, in your defense, we have been conditioned to expect exactly that.

I was like, All right, this is going to suck like all the other ones. But something switched with three minutes left in that first game. I think all of us realized simultaneously like, Oh. So does Wemby get credit for that or is it just all the young guys?

I think Wemby gets a lot of credit for it because he was putting it forth a week ago. I don't care what the rest of you are doing. I'm going to try. And if you don't try and I try, my wingspan is like a million feet and I'm just going to swivel the whole game up by myself and embarrass you. I think he gets... But we have to see next year, is it carry-over effect? Is it this format, US versus the world that actually made them try? Or was the outcry of how bad the All-Star Game had gotten? Was the shaming just so loud? Plus the shaming the general league has taken? I don't know if the players care about that, but the whole last week has been a catastrophe for the NBA, as you've remarked. Maybe that's a perfect storm of like, you know what? We got to put on a decent show tonight. Does it happen again next year? I want to see it, but this was undeniably a big success for the league.

I'm a generally optimistic glass half full guy, and my guess would be the positive reinforcement that these guys are going to get over the next 24 hours from people who like the game. Like, Hey, man, that was cool. That was really fun. Blah, blah, That's got to carry over because it felt like this was headed toward being a lost cause, like what happened with the NFL with the Pro Bowl. We were right on the precipice of going over the cliff. This was what? The fourth time they've changed this?

Yeah, last year was another round Robin that I didn't understand. Actually, last year, I just was like, I'm not even going to try. It's going to be bad. I'm not even going to try to understand it. Then we had the picking teams thing for a while, and they've tried a lot of different things.

None of it worked. Well, Barnes a three for the win in the first game. Edwards said shit during the post game, which I loved. In the second game, D'Earon Fox, did you think it was going in? Game winning three, and they were down. Had to go in. Did you think it was going in? Because I did not.

I felt good about it. He was open. He got to set his feet. He'd feel good. He got added to the All-Star Game, Spurs, coaching staff. I felt good about it because that was the same. So this is the second game, I think. That was the game. That game, Ant had just had a steal and a three to put his team ahead. And it felt Ant had stamped like, This is my night. But when they brought it back that fast, I was like, Oh, this is going to go in. This is going to be fun.

Third game, Kawhi goes on a run. We end up getting close to the 50s. Kawhi has 31 points, 11 for 13 from the field, 6 to 7 threes, and hits a step-back three to take the lead. That was a legitimate, I wish that was their moment. That was really as good as anything we've had this century in the All-Star, him just heating up sequentially. You've seen him do it. You said on your part earlier this week, you thought he's been the best player in the league for what? The last two months?

Basically, since he came back, since Thanksgiving thereabouts. I mean, that part of that is Jokić has missed a bunch of games. Shay is right there with him. Shay is just this metronome of... He's been in some games recently, but- I have some notes on that take, but I respect the take. Okay.

I don't know. I would put Jalen Brown head-to-head with him. They did go head-to-head at I got the Clippers and one, and the team's success is around the same. But I also... I think Cade... It's weird. It's a weird year because a bunch of guys probably are in that conversation for who's playing the best, which is what is going to make MVP so bizarre if SGA and Jokuj don't make it. I don't know what happens. If those guys don't get the... What is the MVP threshold? Is it the same as all of the A?

Sixty-five.

So if neither of those guys make it, I don't know what happens. I was looking at it on FanDuel today I have this. The third odds are SGA is minus 180, Jokuj is plus 290. Kate is the next one at 14 to one. Then Lucas, 20 to one, Wemby is 33 to one, and Jalen Brown is 100 to one. There's a real chance SGA and Joker might not make that limit. All right.

Sga has missed seven games.

But when is he coming back?

Unless this thing lingers longer than expected. He should be able to make it. Jokuj, I believe, can only miss one more game, maybe two. I can't remember off the top of my head.

It's probably SGA.

It's probably. And he's been great. He's been awesome.

Well, the other stuff that happened. Steph, did you see the shot he made in the pregame?

I did. And he has also declared that he will be participating in the three-point shootout next season, which is fantastic. Let's do that and let's bring back the Sabrina versus Steph thing. That was awesome, too.

Then KD was the MVP for content this weekend, and we'll talk about that in a little bit. We had John Tesh did a live Roundball Rock. Shades of the videos that I remember running on a trade value from him in some casino in 2009 dressed as a pirate doing that. It's one of my favorite YouTube clips. Norm Powell was on the World team.

He was.

They They just needed a guy, and it was like, Well, his dad was born in Jamaica. Let's bring him in. Ingram, I felt the same as you. I heard you do this on your pod about Ingram making the All-Star Game. I thought two Raptors and no Hornets felt like a stretch to me. I probably would have worked a Hornet in just to even it out, but what do I know? Was that you have a backup choice for Ingram?

Well, are we assuming that James Harden just called the league and was like, I'd rather just not go?

You think like that Trademan? Yeah, James Harden, who is... Just when you look at that, it was one of the things I did all morning. I was trying to figure out a whole bunch of different things. Harden's stats are really good.

Yeah, for sure. He should be in the All-Star Game.

Yeah, he probably should be. The other thing that happened, they condensed the All-Star Game warm-up first part into 15 minutes. If you remember on TNT, that went on forever. It was like they're introducing each guy. There's concerts, and it was like almost it took an hour before the game started. It was like, Do I have to watch all this? What's the real... This was like, Boom, boom, we're playing.

After the second game, I went to eat dinner because I just assumed there was going to be a 50-minute concert before the third game. Then I started getting alerts that the game was about to start, and I had to scarf my chicken vindaloo as fast as possible to get back out there for the third game. I was like, Oh, my. I love it. Give me the basketball. I don't need five concerts with a basketball game, it's dispersed in between them.

Yeah, your Twitter burner would not be, Get off my dicker saying it. It would be, Don't eat my vindaloo. I think it would be. All right, three other things to flag here. One is that somebody asked LeBron about Israel before the game, and that felt like that's going to turn into a 24-hour cycle, or at least it did until this KD Twitter thing happened, which I think we at least have to acknowledge that this is happening in real-time, that there is a burner account that's allegedly tied to KD.

Could you explain to me what it is? Because I know what's happening. I know what's alleged to be happening, but I don't know if it's a Twitter account or a text thread or something. I don't get what's going on.

I thought it was a Twitter account, but it's an account and it's allegedly him. There's a lot of signs that it's him. Just shit-talking a bunch of people that he's either played with or played against. If you go to basically any place on social media, you'll be able to find a lot of examples. There is video of him in the warm-up line looking at his phone and typing. That was also weird. I assume this is probably some There's probably some smoke with the fire on this one. We've never been in a situation... If this is all true, and he's talking about guys that he plays with right now, I don't know if we've ever been in a situation like this. A social media scandal of revealed tweets/texts of somebody disparaging people on his team that he then has to go play with tomorrow night. I think we've made new ground on this.

I'm going to wait. I want to see. I need more information.

That's why we said, allegedly, yeah, yeah. I need more information. This is why you're SPOX. You're way more careful.

I just need more information. It doesn't look good, but I need more information.

By Tuesday, we'll know. We'll probably have a better idea. Conspiracy Bill is here. I don't have...

On a different topic or on this topic?

Different topic.

Okay.

Might break out. Maybe I'll bring out the Windhorse Fingers.

I'm in suspense. Come on.

I don't know if you saw this over the weekend. Celtic Sixers on Sunday night, March first. Okay.

This is disappointing for a conspiracy bill. This is too easy. This is like everyone's already talking about this.

Move from 6: 00 to 08: 00 PM. That got a...

Well, and did you see during one of the breaks in the game- This is where a conspiracy bill is going.

Okay. I was like, That would be weird. That's a lot of pressure to do a Sunday Night game as your comeback. Then randomly during breaks between, I think it was the third and the fourth a three-minute Jason Tatum comeback, very well done, very well-produced comeback video about his journey set up in a way that made me super suspicious that MBC and him are working together in some way, and this is all part of the thing. Clowns are going off.

Clearly, MBC has had crazy access to this all along. I mean, they've got the trainer talking. They're in rooms when he's having a cell phone conversation with people. I don't know who arranged it or what production companies or what? I don't know what it is, but clearly they've been in the rooms with him.

Because when the flex thing happened, that was a red flag. But then I looked at the schedule that night and I was like, well, they said they were going to do stuff like this, and they're moving the game two hours, and that's an awesome game, Boston and Philly. They didn't know that that would be a great game. So maybe not. With that said, had been hearing first week of March for a while that it was going to be somewhere around that March fourth, March sixth Conspiracy Bill has also noted that if you go on any ticket resale site for the Dallas March sixth game, the prices are way out of whack. And it can't just be because Cooper flags come in the town. They're way out of whack. The prices are really, really high. So I'm factoring that in, too. And now the Sunday. I talked to my dad today, and I was like, you kept your Sunday and your Friday tickets, right? And he's like, Oh, yeah, I still have them. So, yeah, it's really starting to look like March first or March sixth, but my money would be on March first now for him.

I'm a little surprised. I know this is conspiracy, Bill. Why is your tone not gitty about this? I mean, it He's practicing with the Red Claw, I almost called, the main Celtic. So he's doing real basketball stuff now against real basketball players. Clearly, we're heading in the direction of a potential return, maybe soon. Why are you not just over the moon?

Because I felt I feel like this was coming for the last six weeks, and I'm not sure why anybody would have been surprised. Because I just feel like... I've talked to a bunch of people, and people ask me about it all the time. Why would he come back? Why wouldn't he wait? It's like, Well, if he's ready to come back, why wouldn't he come back now and play 20, 25 minutes a game and ease back into it versus waiting until next October and putting all that pressure on him? I mean, even I look at Kyrie, and I don't know whether Kyrie is coming back or not, but I still don't understand why you wouldn't want to play a little bit when you're ready to play. How does that help you to just not play for another six months? Taking 18 months off to do anything, I think, is a lot to ask for an athlete.

Well, they're records are inverse. 35 and 19, Seltz got a course-bath record in the NBA, and the Mads are tanking, and that probably would explain some of it. But yeah. I talked about this on my pod, but you do not buy at all this idea of, is he going to hurt the chemistry of the team? Is there any of that? You're not worried about any of that.

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But when you've been out for that long, banging bodies, that part's weird. The Jalen thing is, I talked about it a little on my podcast on Thursday. But the Jalen thing, he just really thinks it's his team now. I'll be really interested in seeing how they share that thing, which has always been... I think some of it was overblown. I don't know if the MVPs helped that much when Jalen won both of them. I wish that they just split it. It would have been fine, followed by the Olympics. Then Jalen's been pretty, and he has a right to be this because everybody counted this team out and said it was the Gapier Celtics.

Including me, guilty as charged.

I was over 41 and a half, but barely over. I didn't think they'd be.

I was under. I have not been as wrong about a team as I've been about this Celtics team, I don't think ever.

Wow. I have some other people for that group just from this year's podcast, including the Suns. But Jalen, I do think he's been like this, and he should be. And Tatum is going to have to move back into that. The bigger thing for me is the style of play is different. And you're better at that stuff than I am. But the way they play is just a little different than last year. And it's way more through the guards. And it's with these centers set in these big pics at the top and then rolling hard to the basket. And Pritchard and White have the ball a lot more than I think they did last year. And then Jalen, his ISO game on the two-point stuff has just been elite. I looked at it today, he has the most two-point baskets over everybody but Shay, and Shay's only a little bit ahead of him, and he's missed a couple more games. But that's how good he's been as a two-point scorer. So how does he fit into this year's team, I think, is the thing that I want to see.

Jalen has been so good and so efficient on mid-range shots off to dribble that I'm almost like, he can't possibly sustain. He's over 50 something % on really hard mid-range shots, and you think the other shoe is going to drop, and not in a big way, but is he going to settle back to 44 % or something? I don't worry the style thing. To me, they still look like the Celtics. Spacing, threes, guard, wing, pick and rolls, targeted isolations, big wings playing bully ball against smaller guys, hunting them. Tateum does all that stuff. The style, the schematic general big picture style, doesn't worry me at all. The only thing that, like you, I'm interested to see is it's just so clearly Jalen Brown's team right now. He's number one, and everyone else is way down the totem That does change. Even if Tatum isn't Tatum, and he's not going to be Jason Tatum right away, he's not going to be Jason Tatum for a couple of months, probably at least, peak, peak, peak, first-team All-MBA. Even if he's aware of that and understands that it's Jalen Brown's team, and I think all of those things are true, he's just played that way his entire basketball life.

He's played that as the number one guy. It's not that easy to just take your way to a different style of player, even a It's a hybrid style of player. But I think that it's workable. And you have said you don't think they can make the finals as is. And if you believe that, then this is a no-brainer. Good thing because there might be some hiccups, but your ceiling definitely gets higher.

Around the league, people seem to be concerned that the ceiling of this team is just so much higher with Tatum. You even forget, they showed the highlights of that Knicks game when he got hurt. He was incredible in that game.

It's one of the best games he's ever played.

I was like, One of the best games... Other than the Milwaukee 50-point game, that might have been the single best game he's played. I really liked his game six against Dallas, too. But he was just awesome. I think there's been a little annesia with how good he is and throwing him in there. I can't wait to see how it goes. Jalen's had probably... I'm not going to ding Jalen on this, but he's probably had three too many, this is the most fun I've had in my career quotes.

I've always been able to do this.

Probably plus three in that category and minus three in the, I really miss my brother Jason. We've been putting together our whole career. It's going to be great to have him back. I'd probably tilt that seesaw a little this way, but it's going to be... I don't think there's a more fascinating March story, is there? Is there anything more interesting than watching Tatum try to figure out how to assimilate to this team? I don't think there is.

As a basketball story, there are very interesting things happening in the NBA. As a basketball story, on one team, probably not. I guess the Harden thing, but that's been pretty seamless on offense.

Harden, that would have been my 1B. I think we all saw it that one game when they beat Denver and Harden with a little more size and how easily he just can fit in with whatever team he wants to when he's like, Distributor James Harden. It felt different watching them in a good way for them. You could still hunt James Harden and teams are going to do it in the play-offs, but at least you can put him on bigger guys and try to hide him. So I thought that was interesting. Give me more All-Star game notes that you had.

All right.

Or All-Star Weekend.

Well, let's just start with the game.

Yeah.

I love USA versus the World. Nailed it. I love it, too. Don't need to change that. As we're talking about box scores in game 2, game 3, game 4, and all of this, and I might be too old school in this regard. Can we just have two teams? Can we do US versus the World? If we're worried about American players getting left out of all-star status and they had the 16, eight quotas that they had to hit this year. Just can we have 15 team rosters then? Because I just want to know, A, it was a little anticlimactic that it came down to US versus US in the end for the winning Championship of All-Star Weekend.

I I think it was the end of Koumana for the guys playing, too. I thought the world piece of it brought out more maybe than the last game.

I also just like to know, it's easier with two teams, it's very easy to keep track on who's on what team. It makes the coaching choices down the stretch. They're playing these five guys, and here are all the guys on the bench. Well, oh, Team Red. I don't remember who's on Team Red. Who is the coach sitting for Team Red? And the stakes, I shouldn't have to watch the first and second quarters and not understand the stakes of what's going on. And this team got to win by four, and this team got to win. I have heard from people inside the league, now people in the league office who are incentivized to defend every tweak they make and stuff, that the players like the idea of the mini games that it feels like pick up to them. They like the quick finality of it. So maybe I'm fighting an uphill battle. But I like US versus the world. I like that it's my favorite thing from the picking teams format that they then ditched was watching teammates go against each other in the All-Star game.

Like Brunson and Towns.

Brunson and Cat is the best example. I like that, and this keeps that. I just like the clarity of one team versus another. And the international pool is definitely good enough to field a competitive 15-player roster. How many of the seven best players in the league are world guys to begin with? That would be my one note is I just would like to have one team against another team, like a regular basketball game.

So the counter to that was if you go by a quarter, that's what made it feel more like a pickup game. And if we have two teams, you can't do the quarter thing. I was trying to figure out. The part that I struggled with was how did they figure out what these two teams were that were the USA teams, and whether next time they either have to do East as one side, West as the other side for the two USA teams, or do you have some age cut off where it's 27 and up, 27 and down, and that's how you do it.

The pick of the quarter stuff, not only do the players supposedly like it, but it does, although the last game was a blowout, it does mitigate against like, all right, well, the world is up by 35 going into the fourth quarter. This is going to be totally unsuspensive. I like the two teams thing. The stakes are more clear, the rotation decisions are more clear, the game makes more sense. If they're trying hard because of it's a world versus US, then that would carry over, too. I thought the jerseys were awesome. All three Jersey kits, awesome.

I also like the stars and stripes as two of the three team names. That actually made sense to me.

Team Stripes, baby.

Usa Stars, USA Stripes. Good job.

I'm trying to think what other I mean, clearly the game was better. There's just no question. It was a pretty competitive basketball game. There were fouls, there was physicality, all of that. It was really fun.

The game never should have degenerated like it did over the last 25 years. I still don't fully understand why that had to happen, but I don't understand a lot of things. I also don't understand All-Star Weekend in general. I think if they're going to evolve the game, I think they have to really look at the weekend and having the Friday night, Saturday, Sunday thing. There was just nobody there on Friday night. Maybe that part of it is you're doing it in Los Angeles, and if you did it in Indiana or Milwaukee or Oklahoma City or Portland or even Boston, if Boston ever gets the All-Star Game again, the novelty of, Oh, I want to go to everything. Then LA has had the game, I think, four times in the last 22 years or something. The Saturday, they just can't figure it out past the three-point contest. At the point where you Jackson Hayes running left-hand. How is Jackson Hayes in the All-Star Game? To me, the number one cry for help is that VJ Edgecom didn't want to be in the dunk contest. It makes me think they shouldn't have it because we've had John Marant not not want to be in it.

We've had Zion not want to be in it, and now VJ Edgecom. If I'm like VJ Edgecom's manager, I would want him to be in it. It's like, Dude, go kill this dunk contest. It's going to be worth $10 million in sponsors for us. Go do some awesome dunks and raise the knowledge for people like my son who barely knows who he is, but people have just punted on it, so I don't know why they have it.

What do you want to happen? What is your All-Star Friday and Saturday? I'll give you my All-Star Friday and Saturday? Zack Lo's experience not going to All Stars this year. Confession to make, I don't know if I'm going to get flag for this, did not watch any of All Stars Friday. Can't do celebrity game.

I didn't watch one minute.

Can't do celebrity game. Don't care about the Rising Stars challenge. I can't.

After you and I lost our coaching in 2014, it's hard to... It's just we'll never understand what happened. We caught Michael B.

Jordan on the way up. We'll never have access to that guy like that.

We caught him and we weren't getting him the ball. Some would say it's coaching, some would say it was people on the team, but we just blew it. It was a tough loss for us.

It was a tough one. I love All Stars Saturday Night, just unabashedly. I still love it. I watch it. But so that's why... So this year, they took away the skills challenge, which fine, and replaced it with the shooting stars thing, which I thought was cool. Anytime you're throwing half-court shots in, I like it. What does your All Stars Saturday look like? We agree Friday stinks. They're going to keep it. The young guys like it, the agents for the young guys like it, it's cool, whatever. What is Saturday? Is it just nothing? Just have a two-day All-Star weekend?

No, you have to have something on Saturday night, but I don't know why they can't merge Friday and Saturday into one mega night and do it that way. I don't know why we need Friday night. Friday night, everyone at the weekend would rather be going to parties and dinner anyway. That's what's been part of the issue. That's always the one where people give away the tickets. I still really like the three-point Dunk Contest. I thought they made a mistake not factoring in Kaitlyn and Sabrina. I just think have to be in it. Even if it's like a Steph first Steph and pick one other of our best NBA three-point shooters going against those two is some battle, I think. I just would have watched it. My rule is like, I'll just watch it. Dunk Contest has gotten to the point, I don't watch it live, and I'll rewind it if people are telling me something crazy happened, which in this case was poor Jace Richardson almost knocking himself unconscious.

That was a little scary.

Yeah, that was almost our worst dunk accident we've ever had. But I feel like I was writing this for Page 2 in 2002. We've run out of dunks. There's nowhere else to go.

Okay. Shooting Star is fine. I could take it or leave it. It was fun. I love the three-point contest. It's always been my favorite event. In fact, it's one of the ones that they have added these little tweaks to, and I've liked every tweak. I like the money ball rack and you get to pick where it is. I like the two state farm extra long logo shots that are worth three points or whatever. I like that. I like everything about it. I love three-point content. I thought I saw some people. I went on Twitter to see what the reaction was.

Why did you do that?

People were mad. Some people whose favorite players were in the three-point contest and did not win were mad that a player who had not played this season was allowed into the three-point contest and then won over their favorite player. I fucking love that Damian Lillard was in the three-point contest. I love that he won it. It was awesome. Who is against this? This is what all- This is an insane take. This is what All-Star Weekend is supposed to be, a In the case of the best players. He's a two-time champion, and he won the freaking contest. You think my take is insane?

No, I think anyone who's like, I don't like that Dame Lillard won when my player should have won instead. That's That's crazy. I'll go further. I would watch a Legends three-point contest, too.

Could get ugly. I don't know if you want to see that. Would it get ugly? Did you see Ron Harper miss that layup in the Shooting Stars competition? You might have missed that.

Fine.

Well, maybe that should be on fire. Here's my other take on the three-point contest. Khan on fire in round one. Pressure may have got to him in the final.

He had a long layoff, my guy.

As I'm watching it, I'm I'm thinking, is he not made for this level of pressure, for this level of moment? Is it because people coddle him by driving him home after podcast instead of making him get an Uber like an adult and toughen up a little bit.

I should have shown him some tough love after the pod.

Just so you thought, it crossed my mind.

Yeah. He'll be fine.

I thought the dunk contest was good. The problem is that no one other than crazy diehard fans has heard of anybody in the dunk contest. I thought the dunks were good. There just aren't any new dunks. I like that for the most part, other than the E-40 dunk, they pretty much dispensed with props and just were like, We're going to jump really high and swing the ball around and do crazy stuff. I thought the dunks were good. People always hate on the dunk contest, and they hate on it because none of the stars do it. I don't know what's to be done about that, but I found it entertaining. It's faster now than it used to be. It doesn't take forever anymore. It's at least a quick event. That is true.

I just would have all the rookies do it.

Just make them do it? It's part of your job as a rookie?

It's part of the CBA. When you're in the league, we pick four because then you would add VJ, you would add Cedric Howard. It just would have been more interesting. We could have thrown together four rookies or maybe rookie sophomores. Maybe that's what it is. But it goes back to when Zion and John didn't want to be. I thought when Blake Griffin was in it early in his career, I thought it was a really important moment for his career. I thought it elevated his star power. We've seen that a few times over the years with younger players using the dunk contest to just become more famous. I don't know why he would toss that away.

We watched all the All Stars Saturday, and my wife and I went out to dinner and a comedy show. We were over dinner, and I was telling her that the guy who won the dunk contest is basically played 15 games or something in the NBA. And the guy who won the last two or three, whoever is a G League player. And she was just appalled. Why do the stars not do this? I have permission from her to share this take. I was like, well, I can't wait. Lebron's never done it. I don't think Ant's ever done it. I did go back and say, It's funny. A lot of big stars did do it, but it was when they were just ascending as rookies. Remember, Dame did every event at All-Star Weekend one year. Donovan Mitchell did it. Blake Griffin did it. The best rookies at least used to do it. And obviously, back in the day, Jordan did it, Dominique did it, big stars did it. And she was asking me, why? Why wouldn't LeBron James or whoever do it? I said, Well, there's no real incentive. The money means nothing to them. And they probably only see the downside of embarrassment.

I was going to say the embarrassment overrides whatever the dollar for being Chris Anderson who missed 13 dunks in a row.

And she was basically said, Are they not... So take a little A little embarrassment for the good of the game. You're making a gajillion dollars. You're already one of the... Take LeBron or whoever, one of the best basketball players ever lived. Stomac a little embarrassment. I was like, this is a good take. This is a good pre-comedy show drink right now. You're spitting fire I should let her come on.

Well, you have that combined with why don't they care about the All-Star Game. It's all part of the same thing, which is, do you want to carry the league in other ways than just trying to win the title and make making a lot of money to play in it and do endorsements. Should these guys feel a responsibility for All-Star Weekend? I'm not positive they should at this point. I don't think they have properly flipped it because there's been so much atrophy over the last 25 years. I feel like the guys in the '70s and '80s, not to be the old guy, remember in the old days. If you go back and watch those games, they're not as good as they're being romanticized. But I do feel those guys cared about promoting the league because the league wasn't that successful. It's like, We got to do this because this is going to help the league. Then the problem is the league became very healthy, and you don't have to promote something that's healthy. I just think that's where it flipped.

Well, the dunk contest in the game are distinct elements in terms of participation. The dunk contest is not low stakes, but it's not a competitive 48-minute basketball game. You You can do that as a steward of the game. And it's on Saturday. It's earlier in the weekend. I empathize with the players when they don't try in the Sunday game and they say, look, man, we've been here 72 hours and I've done 72 media hits. My shoe company needed me to do this. I had 14 activations that my agency set up for me. And by the end of... I'm exhausted by Sunday of All-Star Weekend. If you're a player in the All-Star Game, you've just done wall to wall crap for 72 hours. You're exhausted. I don't blame them. Then in the '70s and '80s, you went and had fun at All-Star Weekend on your own schedule, and then you played a real basketball game.

I thought yesterday was really bad. Saturday. Saturday, I thought it was bad. I didn't think there was I had no energy for it. And three-point contest was about the only...

People were saying the crowd was bad. Early, probably didn't help. It was early Eastern time zone.

How about this? I'm assuming they moved it for the Olympics, these two things. Well, why not pass it off to another partner and have it primed time? That's like to have all this stuff during the day, LA time is really weird. I didn't understand why they did that at all. Unsere for deinen Podcast: Frisches Obst und Knackiges Gemüse von Aldi. Immer gut, immer günstig, immer vielfältig. Kurz gesagt: Frische für alle. Zum Aldi-Preis. Diese Woche Zitron. 750 Gramm für nur 1,49 Euro. Oder helle, kernlose Tafeltrauben. 500 Gramm auch für nur 1,49 Euro. Entdecke jetzt viele weitere Angebote in deiner Aldi Nordfiliale. Und weiter geht's. Einfach lauschen und genießen Aldi. Gutes für alle. We have to talk about some of the stuff that's been building in the last five, six days. I talked about it on my podcast on Tuesday. You talked about it some as well because the tanking thing, for some reason, the Utah game became this. I felt it. That's why I tried to structure my Tuesday pod around at least some of that. That Utah game became some tipping point. I talked a lot with nick Wright about it on Tuesday about some solutions, and I know you talked about some, too.

I've been thinking about it all week, and I've been talking to a bunch of different people in those stuff. I feel like there are five different problems that all intertwine. Maybe that's part of whatever the solution is because I know you saw Adam's press conference yesterday. That was about as we're blowing this up as I think he's ever been, right? Have you ever seen him like that before?

Yeah, this was not the typical Adam thing is like, We're considering all ideas. We leave no stone unturned. This was his polite way of saying, I'm fucking sick of this shit, and we're going to change a lot of stuff.

Combined with, I feel like I I might have to fix some of this stuff or I'm not going to be here in five years, was the underlying piece of that, too. Because this is on his watch. At some point, if you're just a... I said this on Tuesday. If your job as the Commissioner, if your only job is to make everyone as much money as possible, and that's it. Which you could argue he's done because the last media deal is by far the biggest they've ever gotten, and all the franchise fees are the highest they've ever been. If you're just judging him by that, huge success. But if you're judging him by what is the league like competitively, this is about as bad as shaped as we've been in since the early '80s with some of the issues. So here are the five things. I'm just going to throw them all.

I was going to say you're going to list me the problem.

Seasons too long, and more importantly, suffers competitively at the worst possible time, which is mid-February through March after football ends. Football ends, spotlight comes on you, and it's right as 25 to 30% of your league is like, We're going to try to lose from now on. So that's problem one. Problem two, teams can tank, which we've had for 43 years, but there's no repercussions for the following season, only positives. If you tank, the best case scenario is you get an awesome pick. The worst case scenario is you're still going to get a good pick. There's no other repercussion. Issue three, the star players are less durable than ever, which has partly to do with the schedule and partly with how hard basketball is to play with. We've talked about that. Issue four is 25 to 35% of the fan bases get screwed on season tickets during the last basically 30 games of the season. It's like if you're a season ticket holder of Sacramento or Washington or Brooklyn, pick a team. Your last two and a half months, you can't give your tickets away. Then if you have one of the good teams in Sacramento, Brooklyn, or Chicago on Wednesday night, where I don't know if you saw that game, but Missoula just basically decided to use that as a practice for Nikola Vusovitch because it was like, Chicago has given up.

They're out there in the fourth quarter. They're running plays for Vuch trying It would be like, he's just like, Fuck it. We use this as a practice. That's issue four. And then issue five, any team can participate in luxury tax revenue if they're under the tax, no matter how little they care about the this season. To me, this is about misaligned incentives where there's not enough recourse against the teams that don't care as much as they should. There's not enough protection for the fans. Then on top of it, the season's too long, which hurts the players, which is part of this, too. It all feeds together in this giant Jell-able. Those are the five things that I think they have to figure out how to make this better as a And I have some ideas for that, but I'm going to throw that at you first.

Well, first of all, I'm weirdly not worried about the Washington Wizard season ticket holder because I'm already worried about his sanity or her sanity to begin with. They just love basketball so much that I just don't even think they care who's playing in the game. So I'm going to leave them aside. So I listened to you and nick Wright, and you were talking about consequences for tanking. You were talking about... And there are two different types of consequences that you just alluded to just now. One is just strictly hitting the owner's pocketbooks. You don't get to participate in the luxury tax windfall, whatever. Another that you mentioned with nick that I think is important to talk about is erasing cap space the following season for a team who's deemed to have tanked.

That was my favorite idea I've had in a while. To actually hurt you for the next season.

That, I think, gets at the core of what really needs to be discussed here is the The entire point of the draft in the lottery, it is all based on the principle that the worst teams need help acquiring better talent. It's all about redistributing talent. You either believe that that should be the case, that that's what the draft is for, or you don't, and then you're open to much more dramatic solutions. But on that point, penalizing cap space, it's hard to do that and still believe that the should be for redistribution of talent. Because if a team tanks and you take away their cap space, it's almost a double penalty on that team that's making it even harder for a bad team to get good again, which is what they're tanking to try to do. So that the money penalty I'm fine with. Hit the owners, they're billionaires, whatever, I don't care. Making it harder for a bad team to get good, to me, by taking away cap space, by taking away team building resources resources, to me, cuts against the entire idea of what the draft is supposed to be for and the reason they're tanking anyway.

Well, couldn't the penalties be tied a little bit more to behavior? I don't know. Like I said in that pod with nick, the cutoff was like, Can you go 27 and 55? If you can't do that, every win-under, we start taking stuff away. The reason I thought of this idea, because I've talked about it before in the pod, I'm in the League of Dorex, this American League only keeper league, fantasy, where we have a 40-point roster. We do a minor league draft. Unbelievable. This is a league that has been around longer than when I was in it. One of the early problems they had was tanking. It was like, I'll just throw in my season. I'll trade my best guys. I'll get picks, and I'll try to get the first pick in the next year's draft to get the best rookie. It becomes such a problem. We put in these penalties in the keeper league, and they've actually worked. It It's like if you fall below, we do it by categories, and it's like you fall below 27 points, whatever it is, this is Commissioner Mike Mendelsohn, you have $15 less to spend at the draft next year.

So we have, I think it's 200 bucks to spend it to draft 250, whatever it is. And the 15 bucks, you really feel it the next year. So the teams that suck, they're like, well, I can't really tank completely because I don't want to fuck over next year, too. And I think we have to start thinking that way with of this stuff, where there's two things. One is you can't get the top four lottery pick two years in a row. I just think that should be automatic voted through. You just should not be able to...

That's got some unintended consequences to it, though.

What do you mean?

Well, if I'm a bad team, and I know that another bad team is ineligible to pick in the top four, that might embolden me to... Or if I'm just a medium over team, that might embolden me to do a more aggressive tank than I had planned because I know I'm ahead of that team already.

Well, could they do something with the ping-pong balls where if you finish in the top four, you get that certain number of ping-pong balls, but you now get the fifth team ping-pong balls. We just take ping-pong balls out of the lottery. So you can't get the most. You have to get... You had this last year, you were in the top four. There's something with the ping-pong balls I feel like they can experiment with, too. Including, by the way, Adam finding teams with ping-pong I love these ping-pong balls.

Taking combinations away?

Yeah. Because there's a thousand ping-pong combinations, right?

Something like that, yeah.

You go to the ladder every year and you stare at these ping-pong balls as they bounce around. But would Utah do some of this stuff and Utah, by the way, has done a great job of being like, What do you mean? Those guys played 28 minutes. They just didn't play the fourth quarter. It's like, Okay, guys. Also, all the stuff about that OKC was behind the punishment for Utah because they have their protected pick, I thought was just downright hilarious because this was the team that traded for Al Hoerfer not to play him for a year. Just sent him to the Bahamas and sat SGA at least once down the stretch. Was it once or twice? Where they were just like, We know you're a young player trying to be better, but you're going to sit down for two months here.

Yeah, no franchise is... Almost no franchise has been scot-free from tanking.

I think all of them have done it. Everyone's done it. Because by the way, if we were running a team We would do this. Well, look, to be clear- There's no penalty to do it. It's not like, what do I care? I'm trying to beat everyone else. This is a smart move.

So what people were talking about was, I think the athletic was the first to report it, was that Oklahoma City is... Oklahoma City, Officials are whispering to people in the media about Utah.

Oh, that sounds like, okay, see it all.

Well, look, for the record, no one from the Thunder has talked to me about the Utah Jazz. I cannot speak to that. But I said on my pod two months ago that it's a lock that the Thunder are going to complain to the league about Utah if Utah decides to tank. And by the way, of course they are. These are 30 self-interested entities. They only care about the... No matter what they say, they only care about them winning short term and long term. It's all competition. Of course, they're going to.

Right. Well, I got a couple emails, and I would give the people credit, but I... All right, I'll give Kyler. Kyler Dickey sent this in. Why can't we eliminate pick protections?

That's on the table. You can.

They're definitely going to consider that. But just like the lead be like, You know what? We don't have these anymore. You can do swaps and you do pick protections. Top four, top seven, top eight, we're done. No more. They're hard to keep track of.

I would predict right now that something like that happens. I think they will exist, but the proposal that they've really taken the most seriously is you can only do top four protection and you can only do lottery protected. Nothing in between. We're not doing any more of the whatever, not top eight nonsense.

Yeah, but the lottery protected leads to what that Derek Lively situation.

This is my general... No, well, Derek Lively was top 10.

Or was that top 10? I think. Oh, yeah. All right. You're right. Top 10.

Anyway, go ahead. I'm sorry. I don't want to interrupt the email chain.

Well, it was just either you trade the first-run pick or you don't. And when you trade it, it's gone. It was in the '80s and '90s. I'm still on this. Are Are you ready for the most interesting idea I got or did you have more takes on this stuff?

No, go.

A couple of people sent versions of this, and I'm going to go with the email I got from Eric Widen. I don't agree with where he landed on this, but it sparked something that I thought was really interesting. He wanted to have a lottery Cup, 62 game mark, three bottom teams in each conference are relegated to the lottery Cup and only play each other the last 22 and then everybody else still plays same scoring system, blah, blah, blah. I don't think they would do that. But I do wonder, it did spark something in my brain about, is there a cutoff date where basically teams get relegated to go play each other. I wrote down, assuming we still have a 30-team league and everybody plays each other twice, that's 58 games. You play everyone in your division once, now we're at 62 We have 20 games left. Then I'm going to have to make up games that I'm about to cut out. Let's say everybody plays two games overseas for international money to try to make up some of the salary cap. I'm at 64 games right now. Those would be neutral site games, 64, 18 to go.

We eliminate 10 teams right there. Five in each conference, we're done. Those five teams, the 10 would be Chicago, Milwaukee, Brooklyn, Indiana, Washington, Memphis, Dallas, Utah, New Orleans, Sacramento. You're done. You're all going to just play each other. Nine games, you all play each other once. We're done. We're going to end up at 73 games. And guess what else happens to those teams, Zack? The worst five out of those teams cannot participate in luxury tax revenue. Any team, so we have a 74 game, we're going to have penalties for if you lose 50 plus games, 55 plus, we're throwing all that in there. And they finish with a 73-game season, and that's it. So I have 20 teams left. They're all playing with each other. So I have in the conference, 10 teams each Nine games against each other. And you play everyone in your conference once. Now I'm at 73 games. Is this too complicated? Does this make sense?

I'm trying to stick with you. I'm trying to think, what are the stakes in the games between the 10 relegated teams? What are we playing for in those games?

Nothing. You're banished. You're in the fucking kids table. Enjoy. Tank away. Go see if you can out tank each other. We're not showing these games on TV. You're not going to participate in that. It's just you're over here now.

Is that good for fans of those teams? Is that worse for fans of those teams if we're worried about fans?

No, because I'm giving everybody 75% off tickets for those last nine games.

Good luck with that.

Yeah. Then after the 73 games, we eliminate the 10 seed. Let me know what you think of this for game 74. We have one-game battles for the one, two, three, four, and five, six seeds. One game, higher seed gets home. We just play one game or it's almost like the playing, but better. Just playing for home court. I'm sorry, not for playing for the higher seed for each of those. Then we do playing stuff for eight, nine, and seven, eight, we're off. The play-off start after 74 games. We have Because those seed games are so important, plus playing games, we have more money we can make from those games. The flaw in this is like those 10 teams just being at the kids table would be the flaw in this idea.

I need to sit with this a little bit. I don't know that I want all the seeds, the playoff seeds and everything that comes with them to be decided by a one-game tournament where a team could be the seventh best team and somehow end up with the top seed. Is that possible?

No, because it's only one versus two.

Oh, I see.

Three versus four.

Never mind. I retract.

Five versus six. Got you. Okay. Then everyone under six is in the playing anyway.

It's a lot, but it would take... It's like learning anything. My daughter and I learned a complicated new board game this week. You do it once or twice, and now you learned it. Now you've mastered it.

Well, so the easier way to do this is just we knock out 10 teams at the 62, 64 game mark, wherever you want to say, and then the top 20 just play each other those last few weeks, and the 10 are just over there not messing with anything. We basically have relegation because a lot of people have asked me, why don't we have relegation? And the answer is you can't. It's not like in soccer, I get it, they've had it forever. But in basketball, no good player would want to be on a relegated team. You can't ask, I don't know, Trey Murphy to be like, Hey, you're just going to be in the shittier league this year, even though you didn't do anything.

You and your team are in a different league.

Yeah, you're just down there now. You can't do... They're never going to do that. But I do wonder if... The bigger thing to me is how do you shorten the season while also raising the stakes for these last few weeks?

Look, you've landed on there. We can get lost in the weeds of all these proposals, and I'm guilty of it, too. But I like to zoom out and start thinking more broadly, what are the central questions that we're really asking? And one of the central questions or conclusions in this case, is the season is too long.

The season needs to be shorter. Everyone agrees.

We all know why they're sticking with 82 games. It's purely money. Everybody involved, union, players, union, owners, whatever. And And shortening the season is not quite a silver bullet, but it's pretty close because it just solves a lot of problems. It solves some of the wear and tear on the players.

It spreads the schedule out.

It spreads the schedule out. It introduces just... Even if you shave 15 games off, I know you're 70 games, 12, 15, whatever it is, it introduces a little bit more randomness. The shorter the season, the more random it is. If you're a team like Utah, if you do that plus none of this protected pick nonsense, if you're a team like Utah and you start out 11: 00 and 9: 00, you're done. You're going for it. You're already a third of the way through the season, almost. There's no way you can parachute out of that. Your fans won't let it happen. Now you have 60 more games left. You have plenty of time to tank. I I don't think it should be a 50 game or 55. Those are so low as to be unrealistic. But if you can get down towards 65, 70, I just think the benefits are enormous across the board other than this dip in per game, gate, etc, revenue that you would hope in the long run, by the game being healthier, each game feeling more important, new TV deals, streaming deals coming in, that that is made up in the long, long run.

And most owners are in this league to own their teams for a long time.

Yeah. So we've all talked to the same types of people, and we've heard the same things. They're never going to give up the extra money.

But what's maddening about it. I'm sorry to interrupt you. But what's maddening about it is even those people... Does anyone think this is a bad idea on the merits? If you left aside the money, even the people who are like, Well, I can't take the money hit, they know on the merits, the season is too long.

But this is why, and this is why I was hard on Silver on Tuesday, because this is literally the most important decision of his entire career, him getting this across the finish line in some way.

And I'll bet he knows. He knows the season is too long.

If he can't do this, if he can't convince two separate groups of people who are tough to convince anyway, that the season has to be shorter, and here's all the reasons why, and here are some slight fixes that I think I can generate more money, I think more international games would help. They'd be able to make more money from Even whether it's that seed battle I had or whatever, adding some games that feel like playoff games near the end of the season that I think they could probably sell those games. I don't think this is... This is not a crazy amount of money that they're giving up. I know it's a lot of money in the context of life, but for these guys, it's like you said 70 to 72 games, right? Sure. That's 11% of the season. I still think it's worth it. I still think that making the league healthier in the long run is going to make everybody more money. That's how they have to think. What worries me is not only are they going to knock it off the 82, they're going to now expand, and they're going to take the expansion fees for that, which could be six, seven million bucks or seven billion bucks.

So 14 billion each. Every owner is going to make another 475 million, whatever. I think that makes the league worse, too. Now we have two more teams tanking. So we're presenting all these reasons they should do this. And if anything, it's probably more likely they're going to stay at 82 and add two expansion teams versus This is like having some hard conversations about, should we just relocate two teams if we like these markets so much? They're doing this out of greed. I've heard the theory like, oh, no, we have enough players now, which technically I agree with, but I don't agree with it when most of these guys in these teams are playing 62, 65, 66 games, the best guys. You actually need depth, though, right? Absolutely. You need more guys. We can't get away with the rosters we had in '06. I don't think the league needed a leader more than this, really, since anything since the Sterling situation in 2014. Adam did an awesome job with that. That was the last time we were like, This is now a crisis. We're now hitting a point where the players on a team might strike a playoff game unless you do something.

And he rose to the occasion and they made stuff happen. I think this is a crisis now. That Utah thing and everything that's happened and all these teams that don't care when we're early February, this is an official crisis.

Well, and on 82 games, they've done the back and forth a little bit on does the science of load management and injury management, is there any actual proof that fewer games reduces injuries? That's ridiculous. They've done this dance of, Well, we're studying it. Well, we haven't found anything. You can't prove a negative, and this and that. Just set all that aside. Side, shortening the season solves a lot of other... Not solves, but helps a lot of other structural issues with your league, including, in at least some cases, reducing the incentive to tank for a team that it didn't expect to be good, is better than it is. And you'll have teams that are the other way where they are worse than they are and start so far behind the eight ball that they can see the end of the season coming sooner. But I think that scenario is less frequent than the former where a team gets off to a hot start. It's like, all right, let's just let it ride.

Well, there's two groups of teams that suffer in this. One is the shitty teams, the fan bases of those teams, where you're just able to throw away three, four years if you want. It's actually probably a smart move versus being the Bulls. We make fun of the Bulls all the time for going 42 every year. That's where you don't want to be in the NBA. Adam even said that in his press conference. The other group, the group of the teams that are really successful for a five or six year stretch, there's an extra wear and tear with that, too. We saw that with Golden State, with the Curry, Klay, KD, having Klay and KD both break down in the 2019 playoffs. We saw that with the Celtics, where I think Tatum has played more minutes He said this in the NBC. He's played more minutes than anyone since he came into the league and played big, big minutes in '22, '23, '24, and '25 and broke down. You're asking these guys to over and over again play 100 game seasons if they're in your head. You're also telling them if you play less than 65 games, you're not going to be eligible for all these awards and all the award bonuses.

That part's fucked up, too, right? They haven't solved the good side of this either, I don't think.

No. The question that I grapple with is, there are always going to be bad teams. You can't legislate away bad teams. There's a natural life cycle that a lot of teams live of they're good, then they get old, then they get bad as they turn over their players, even in teams that it leads that don't have as much overtanking as basketball has always had. In baseball, you get your September call-ups, you get your trade, your veterans for prospects. That's all part of the natural cycle of sports. So there's always going to be bad teams. And the draft has always been there as a way to help bad teams get better. And the question the league is facing is, as long as that's what you consider the draft for, to give the bad teams a better chance of getting the best players, there's going to be some incentive pointing for bad teams to be bad. Can you keep the reverse order draft principle at its core the worst teams draft highest? Can you maintain that and chip away it enough of the tweaks to eliminate the worst tanking? Or to really eliminate tanking, do you just have to scrap that principle all together and re-imagine what the draft is.

In other words, do you believe that the worst teams should, by and large, pick highest? If so, can you maintain that in some form but eliminate protections, eliminate this and that to mitigate the natural incentive to tank that the reverse order draft brings? Or is this such a big problem that you just have to be like, maybe the reverse order draft is just not the way to go anymore. Maybe we have to re-imagine the entire concept. I don't know the answer to that. Those are the things that I am grappling with. If you are a proponent of any system, and we don't need to talk about all the wild ideas that are out there, any system that does away with the reverse order draft altogether, you have to fundamentally fundamentally be okay with the Thunder get the first pick in the draft, the 2017 Warriors get the first pick in the draft, because that will happen at some point. As I said on my pot, it could happen this year via the Clippers that the Thunder could get the first pick in the draft. But You have to be okay with that.

We had the magic, the Webber year. That was the year we were like, oh, no. Wait, I liked the ladder until this happened and everybody panicked.

I I'm still thinking about it and talking to experts about it and trying to game out how these different universes look. But these are the hard questions you answer because I think the NBA is heading toward, although Adam did in his press conference, allude to everything's on the table.

It's the first time he's really come out because I was writing... I did the entertaining as hell tournament for the first time in 2005. You wrote about the lottery wheel for Grantland in 2013. It's not like we haven't been talking about trying to fix this. The Process Sixers were another catalyst where we were like, Fuck. But it feels worse now. There's another piece to this that I think why it feels different in 2026 versus other decades. I think there's more stuff grabbing attention from people that the league is competing with. I was thinking about this last night with All Stars Saturday, which was just for me, like always, I'm in, it's All Stars Saturday. There's just more content There's more things to do. I think some of the other places, even UFC and WW and boxing, people have figured out how to fill the weekends. The football season got longer. There are all these things where it just feels like we go from content to content to content. You can't just really trot out the crappy All-Star Weekend anymore. You can't trot out two months of bad basketball with one-third of your league and expect that not to matter because what's going to happen is people...

The biggest fear that the league should have is the playoffs are always awesome, and they're going to be particularly awesome this year. I was texting with some friends about this this weekend. I was like, This is going to suck for six weeks. We're going to get to early April, and basketball is going to be awesome for 10 weeks.

It's going to be Denver, Minnesota, first round.

It's going to be incredible. There's going to be so many storylines, and we're all going to forget all this shit. The question for me is, why does the league make everyone suffer until we get to that point? It's just bad. It's a bad business model. They have to fix it.

The question for me is, look, I don't know what, if anything, is going to change, and it requires a bunch of owners to get on board with whatever is proposed, and the players union has to agree. It's not that easy to just pull a lever and all of a sudden 17 different rules are changed. But I would rank the most likely outcome as a bunch of bandaid tweaks to the reverse order/lottery draft. So the protection thing that we're talking about. Maybe you give the seven and eight seeds some lottery balls. The play-in was also supposed to boost competitiveness, and I think it has in the middle of the lead to some degree. Whatever tweaks that maybe you do-The top four pick back to back years.

Something like that. You can't win the lottery twice in a row.

After March first, you get half a credit for every win instead of every lot, whatever it is. All these little levers, little mini levers There's little mini-levers that are like mini bandades. Can you do that? Is there enough of those where the equation clicks into place, where you've tightened it up enough, but kept the reverse order draft and you can still have a reverse order draft, but tightened up the tanking enough that we hit a sweet spot? Or do you have to re-imagine everything? My guess is they're going to try all the mini-Bandades, and do the mini-Bandades reveal new openings here and there for teams to game the system? Because every time they do a tweak or a bandade, the smart teams figure out, Oh, this just incentivizes me to do this instead. And I don't know the answer to that. It's a very complicated question.

I did have one more idea, and it's either the greatest idea I've ever had or the worst. And I I don't think there's an in between. The first pick's on the clock. Teams one through five with the first pick all put in who they would take in that spot. Whatever player is the consensus pick, he then goes up to the podium and he sees who picked him in that spot, and he gets to decide who he plays for.

So the bad teams are still the bad teams, right?

It's Cooper Flag last year. He goes up and it's like, Dallas, San Antonio, Philadelphia, Charlotte, and whoever the fifth team was, Utah. And it's like, all of them I've decided they would take Cooper Flag in this spot. Here's Cooper Flag. He walks up to the podium. I've decided to play for the San Antonio Spurs, and they just win the lottery that way. And we get some player empowerment to this.

Do we do that again for the second pick?

Yeah, pick two. It's the next five? The next five, yeah. They put it in, and it's like, They've all picked Dylan Harper. Dylan, come on up. Here are your five choices. We just do that for the first seven.

You We are putting a team in position where it's cut to Danny Angel, and seven consecutive players have snubbed the jazz. I think you only do it for the-We're going to get anybody?

You only do it for the top five or the top four or whatever. But I think I I like the idea of... One of the problems with the lottery is some of these guys just get sent to Siberia. Maybe they should have more autonomy. Maybe that would make one of the players be in the draft. But it would be so interesting this year with Darren Peterson. It's like, Okay, Darren. It turns into almost a reality show. Darren, all five teams have decided you are their first pick.

It is now your choice. Wait till my Tuesday show because I'm still flushing it out, but I'm working on, I'm going to call it the NBA Conclave as a way to solve the draft order. There's a lot of minds chipping in on this, but there's no idea too outlandish.

Short term, if Adam had to do some bid date stuff, I think penalizing teams with luxury tax money with salary cap space for the next year and with the inability to repeatedly do this season after This is the season. So the Kings. The Kings tried to be good. Yeah, they just... They tried... What do you do with their detriment? They just suck. They're not tanking. And if they win the lottery, it's like, you know what? This is the spirit of the rule. But I have an issue when it's a couple of the other teams are still in this again. Washington, I think, really reinvented this a little bit with the trading for guys who just aren't going to play. Utah did that, too.

Toronto did it last year.

Toronto did it last year. And this is just... All right. So both of us feel like something's going to happen.

I think... I mean, look, the process takes a long time. The Competition Committee recommends it to this committee, recommends it to this, and it's a vote here. But I would be surprised if we to the 2028 lottery and the rules were not different, and maybe even the 2027 lottery.

A couple of other quick things before we go. Yannis gave some interview the All-Star break.

Can I pass? I pass.

No, he started with the as of today. I pass. I know. Remember when Twitter added the mute button? I'm ready to mute all the Yannis stories until July.

In his defense, he People are interviewing him and they're asking him, and he says the same thing over and over again. I admire the steadfast. I'm ready to take a break.

Can you imagine having a friend who may or may not be getting divorced or getting separated, but then won't say either way what's going to happen. And this was just all the conversations you had for three years, and then you go on double dates, and then you would talk to him separately, and it just went on forever. That's what this is starting to feel like. I just wish he would say, I don't want to get traded.

It really is. Yeah, I was- Just say that.

Now I'm roping you into a Yana's conversation. No, he doesn't.

Because he doesn't want to get traded, but he wants to compete for the championship now. And those two things are currently incompatible. And I think he is and everyone is struggling with how to...

Or maybe they're not incompatible. I don't know if you saw the last two Bucks games.

I saw one of them. They beat...

Stuff going with the Bucks. Kam Thomas played well.

And Dang. And Usman Jeng lit up the Thunder. I was watching that game and thinking, are the Thunder players, development coaches, taking joy in seeing the fruits of their labor and Usman Jeng's labor payoff, but against them? I bet they are.

I would be trying to trade for all the 12 through 17 OKC guys. The Bucks are 23 and 30, and they're a 12 seed. Now, if we had my 64 game roll where you get relegated after 64 games, we'd be excited to watch the Bucks try to break into the top 20. But we have Atlanta at 26 and 30 and Miami at 29 and 27 as the 8 seed. So it is conceivable the Bucks could creep in the vicinity, which is what I think. Then maybe Giannis does come back for the last month, watching that one. We have the Boston situation. We have watching James Harden on Cleveland. We have this amazing Charlotte Scarlett Renaissance, where they're 16 and 9 in their last 25 and like, fourth in net rating. We have Minnesota trying to get in the top four. We have the Clippers' Punishment, or lack of a punishment, resolution in some form.

Wait, can I stop here a second? Why is Minnesota trying to get into the top four so interesting to you? I mean, you know that I'm super high on Minnesota as a sleeper title contender, but what is more interesting about them than Houston, Lakers? Why is that on your map?

Because I look at the actual contenders and I make my little power poll each week and I try to figure out who I think has a realistic chance to win the title. I don't think you can do it as the road team in four straight rounds.

It's hard.

I think for them, you have to get at least the four seed, maybe even the three seed. They might have a chance to get all the way up to the three seed, but you're not doing it at five or six unless it's a really season or a really week conference. This is not a week conference.

Interestingly, I'm looking at their schedule now just for fun. They only play Houston three times, and they've lost once, but two games are left. That could be an important head-to-head. I think they will pass the Lakers.

I would assume. The last question I had was related to Minnesota is whether Houston has reached a cross-off point as a contender. Do you take them seriously as a contender anymore? Because I felt like the Adams-Shingun together thing was such a superpower for them. It was this crazy wrinkle. It was almost like watching an NFL team that could play three tight ends at the same time and just blow you off the line of scrimage and had all these extra wrinkles. It was like, Oh, shit. Nobody else can do that. Losing that combined with VanVleet, and now we have this Durant situation gets worse. I just haven't liked that. They've I looked for a couple of weeks. I know you talked about it, too. To me, they were a team that I felt like was a legitimate, unquestioned contender. I don't feel that way anymore when I watch them.

I was never quite there with them as a top tier A1 contender. I did think they were in a universe of teams who could win the West. As of right now, I would be surprised if they were. I don't think they could win the West. I don't think they can win three playoff series in the West.

They just lost too much. They lost that offensive rebound and crazy quirk, and they just don't have the right point card situation, in my opinion. The only other thing that I thought was interesting, basketball-wise, and then we can wrap it up. But whether Joe Laker buys the Padres or not was a wild card for me. I just found out about this for real on Thursday that he's one of many suiters for the Padres, and the Padres are an amazing business, and I think they They have a chance to go for maybe even more than... Would the Mets go for like two, six?

I don't even remember. But Joe Laker, you want to go head to head with Stevie Cee? Bring it on, buddy.

I'm wondering, Let's say he wins and he gets the Padres. Is it inconceivable to think that would be the next team available? Because I've asked it from people and everybody was like, No way. He'll never sell the Warriors. But this is It's the perfect time to sell the Warriors right now because you're at the height of the market. Expansion money is coming. Then on top of it, the new owner can be the owner of the team that has Steph Curry on it for the next 3-7 years, however long he plays. You could just be like, You know what? Four titles. I couldn't have done better. I built this amazing infrastructure, and now I'm going to take my talents over to baseball. I'm 70 years old. Interesting thought bubble, right? Interesting. I don't know what he's going to do. Maybe he'll try to own both. But I just got my brain circulating. Who do you think is the next giant team to sell?

In the NBA?

Yeah. If we were doing who's going to sell draft, and it had to be a team with some oomph.

Some oomph. Well, all the Dallas noise has been very weird in the last couple of weeks about the Mark Stein reports that Cuban had an investor trying to buy it back from Dumont, and then Dumont is being like, no, we're not selling the team. That's been strange. Change.

Yeah, but if Cuban calls Dumont and says, I have this investor, we want to buy the Mavericks, and Dumont says, No, thanks. Is that a story? Or is that Cuban trying to get it out there to make it seem like he has a chance to get them back?

All right, so you're asking me just blind pick.

Blind pick. Pick any major... So SouthXR in the six and a half range, Lakers were valued at 10. Somewhere that would at least be in the circle range of the Celtic price?

I mean...

I probably should have prepped you for this.

No, I'm thinking out loud, what do I want to say?

What do you want to say?

Well, no, just could Dolan sell the Knicks and keep MSG is always just like every six months there's rumblings.

There's rumble. Yeah, and he doesn't get along with Adam and blah, blah, blah.

My dream answer would be the Bulls, but there's just sign of that happening that I've heard. Then remember, I have not paid much attention to Tillman Fertita's financials, and there's been no buzz about it. But remember, there was like, well, he stretched himself pretty far to buy the Rockets. I don't know. Is there an answer you're looking at that I'm not seeing? Because none of this is like, I'm not reporting any of this. I don't think any of this is real.

You mentioned the Knicks. I thought that was interesting. That always is a rumor, but I almost feel like Dolan's so stubborn, he'd intentionally not sell the Knicks.

Plus, high times right now. I mean, title contender, MSG is going to be rocking, Jose Alvarado is on board.

Jose Alvarado is just a- Perfect nick.

I'm not even being sarcastic.

Perfect Knick. No, literally perfect. Philly was on my radar.

I mean, those guys on a ton of teams.

They on a ton of stuff. I just- Well, there's the arena- No inside info.

But that's an arena situation, too.

Miami?

You don't hear anything about the Arsons ever, right?

Yeah, and it seems like by all indications, he's just going to turn the team over. And then I got to do it. Clippers?

Steve Ballmer looks like he's having a blast. I don't know if they're all putting on a good face, but he and Tylu and Lawrence Frank are grinning ear to ear as Kawhi lights up All-Star Weekend. I don't know if you saw Ballmer during one of the commercials that I had the feed on, and he was addressing the crowd about All-Star. He was just having a blast.

A couple of people have sent me this email, so I'm sorry, I cannot give you all credit, but it is a great idea. What if the punishment was Ballmer has to move the Clippers to Seattle and then sell the Intuit Dome to the Lakers and then everyone wins. Lakers gets a new stadium. But Seattle gets the Clippers. The Clippers finally to leave California after 50 tortured years. We go back to one team here, and we don't have to expand two more teams, which I still don't understand when we have a tanking crisis, why we would add more teams. Kind of an interesting one.

Okay.

So what did you do on Valentine? Oh, Gehow hates that. Sorry, Gehow. I should have prepped our producer Gehow for that. He's a big Clipper fan. He didn't like that idea at all. I'm sorry, Clipper fans.

These are just pie... You put me on the spot. These are just pie in the sky thoughts. That's all.

Knicks would be interesting. What would the Knicks go for? Because I assume you can't get the arena, so you're renting games from the arena for the basketball team.

The arena and the tax breaks that go with it.

It would be funny if the Nets, if Joe Seye was like, I'm out.

This just isn't fun. This just sucks.

I'm out. We're going to keep the liberty. That's way more fun. Somebody else, please take this. What'd you do for Valentine's Day? What's in there?

So one of the great things about being married to a badass European woman is that Valentine's Day is just not a thing. They don't have it in Croatia. She doesn't care about it. She thinks it's a dumb hallmark manufactured fake holiday, which is just a home run for me. But by accident, we did have plans. We went to see Sam Morrow, who's a comedian you probably know. He's a lot of Nicks games. He's good. Absolutely hilarious. He and Anthony DeVito, who's his opener, performed in Stanford last night near where we live. So we got tickets for that, not even realizing that it was Valentine's Day. And we had a blast. We hung out with him backstage after. He was a great guy. We talked a lot about the Knicks and Knicks basketball. That was our Valentine's. That was a great time.

Saw Seinfeld twice in Stanford in the '80s, well before the NBC show. Wow. Yeah. Loved him from his Letterman appearances. When I was in high school in Connecticut there. He was passing through and went both times.

Wow, that's great.

I had early Seinfeld. It was one of my best stock purchases, Seinfeld stock. I mean, that one, I'm still getting residuals.

Oh, shoot. If you bought it then, you're getting major residuals.

My wife and I, she's also a, doesn't really care about the Valentine's Day thing, but we both got sick because anyone with kids, there's just colds everywhere. I'm amazed you're not sick.

Even your kid's age, this doesn't stop. They don't get any less disgusting.

I think I flew back to Boston a week ago, so I probably got infected. Maybe I was patient zero, but we were both sick, and we just hung out all day and just acted sick together and watched TV. I got to say, it was one of my best Valentine's days ever. That sounds great. Just watched a ton of movies. We watched the entire JFK, Caroline Bissett, all three episodes on FX. I had a great time watching that. We watched Crazy I'm going to say stupid love because I think that's going to be the next rewatchable.

Super underrated movie.

Well, it's going to be properly rated when we do it in the rewatchables in a week. But yeah, we just kept watching movies. Does Gosling ever miss?

Is there been a Gosling miss? No. There probably has been.

I was looking at as IMDb, and I was like, Jesus, there's some wins. Kind of three more wins than maybe I had in my head anyway.

He's ascending to top five all-time SNL host. How many more home run SNLs does he have to have before he's in that category?

In the Olympics, I just waiting for the hockey to heat up. That's where I've landed. I'm more of a bobsled guy than a looge guy. That was another one of my takes that I've landed on.

I'm only loosely paying attention because it's overlapping with the NBA, so I don't have any sports time. But the Quad God guy, he does a backflip?

Quad God does a backflip, but he really had a Karl Malone, James Harden. It wasn't just a joke. I felt bad for him, but he didn't even have to break out the major ammo.

Karl Malone getting roped into a Winter Olympics conversation only on the Bill Simmons podcast.

This was the Dangle the ball out so Michael Jordan can swipe it and go down and make the most famous shot in history of the NBA.

This has been a Winter Olympics take I've been sitting on since the early '90s when little teenage sportsman, Zack, had a lot of takes. I don't understand the niceties of sports like figure skating and gymnastics, the judge sports. I don't understand, Oh, that person's graceful, and they spun really tight and did all this stuff. I just want to see you do crazy shit. Who can do the craziest shit and land it? That's how I That's how I process those sports. And Sourya Bonalee, back in the day, the French skater, could do a backflip. And it drove me crazy at age 12 that they banned her from doing it because it was too dangerous. And now she's back in the news because now you're allowed to do it. And of Of course, she was not allowed to do it. I was always on like, I don't care what... She should win. She can do the craziest stuff. She should win. That's how I... Because I'm dumb and I'm sure there's all sorts of stuff happening that I don't understand.

What's the practice part of it where somebody breaks their neck trying to do it, I think is what the word is.

Well, that's fine. But I just want to see the people do the crazy stuff. That's why someone buy all this is awesome. She just did. She does all the moves are named after her because no one else can do them.

All the skating stuff, you really get it if you're with your wife or watching them lock in on the 17 different things going on that are just going over my heads. My wife, these alt-casts that we have, it really should be an Olympic alt-cast with somebody like my wife who's just having this alternate experience with the event. When you have the all cast for football or basketball, it's just people watching, having basically the same takes as the announcers. This is what we really need is like, Oh, my God, why Why is he wearing that jacket? She's so into it.

I'm just as dumb, the opposite way of just... Before the criminal activity began, it was publicized, Tanya, Nancy, I was team Tanya because she could do crazier jumps. I don't care who's more graceful in this and that. I want the person who could do the crazy jumps.

We had a whole combo about, would you want to be a married couple who was also a pair of figure-skating couple? How much pressure? It's one thing they always talk about the actors and actresses who are working with each other on some TV show or a movie, and it's like, God, that would be weird. Eyes wide shut? Yeah, they broke up after. But then to have to add competition and day after day rigor and all the different things that come with that, I don't know. That's a tough one for the old relationship. I also don't know how you come down from that. You retire as skaters and you're like, Hey, now what?

Did you see the curling spat yesterday between- I did. That was- I have watched a lot of curling. Is there an Isaiah steward of curling? If there were another team, could the broom have been wielded as a weapon, just bam right over the guy's head.

Canada was a good candidate for this. He seemed pretty feisty. Can you believe that Canada where the guy's just trying to pull each other's jerseys over? I think my note on curling is I would go seven rounds, not 10.

Okay.

I would speed it up.

I have to admit, I still don't understand. Ten rounds is a I don't understand the scoring system. I don't pay any attention, really.

I also don't understand how they don't touch the pucks when the guys are doing the broom thing. I assume that's it. How they come so close to it and don't touch it.

I assume if you touch it, that's a full on like you It's the whole thing.

In some ways, those are the most impressive Olympic athletes we have.

That's a hot take.

It's a good one to end on. Thanks to Michaló Beltr. So your next podcast is going to be Tuesday.

Tuesday, yeah. We're We're switching up our schedule because I'm going to be doing these with you Sunday, so there's no point in me going on Monday. So we're on Tuesday, Thursday.

But you fixed the draft. It's going to be Tuesdays.

Who knows? Well, there's always stuff happening in the NBA, so we're going to talk about a lot of stuff.

I thought this was a really strong podcast for us, except Conspiracy Bill. Maybe that wasn't a Conspiracy Bill. Tatum, Philly, March first. She pooh-poohed it.

I just expect more outlandish conspiracies.

It's fair. I'm trying to think if I could have had a better one. Well, Joe Lakeup selling the Warriors to buy the Padres would be... That's not really a Conspiracy Bill take. That would be a big one. That's just a hot take.

That would be a big one.

All right. Thanks to Michelobultra for helping us out with this one. Thanks to Gehow and Eduardo as well. New rewatchable is coming tomorrow. Goldeneye. James Bond. Piers Brosnan's first on Netflix now, if you want to watch it. Zack Lo, Pleasure. As always, good to see you.

Fun times.

Thanks. Thanks, everybody.

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