Transcript of A Round 2 Roller-Coaster Ride, Denver’s QB Plight, and Josh’s Lost Weekend With Cousin Sal

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That's a great one. Remember that one? Yeah, I love it.

It's one for us week because we go to Netflix next week and we wanted to bang out a couple. I'm turning off my hide self-view. There we go. Yeah, we wanted to bang out a couple before we started. Anyway.

You should flash everyone at the end. I mean, that was the big thing, right?

I should have pulled my shirt off at the tail end. There's still time. Coming up, Sal and I are going to talk about an unbelievable weekend of football right after this. Cousin Sal is here. Best Super Bowl draft. Here are the Super Bowl nomination, Sal. Wait a minute. May versus Stafford, May versus Darnold, Stidham versus Stafford or Stidham versus Darnold. What are you the most excited about?

I like Stidham, Darnold. I mean, I've been rooting for that all year. You know me, I'm not a front runner. That's the one I had targeted all year, Stidham and Darnold. It really looks like it's going to happen.

It's unbelievable. Stidham has one career win?

Man, how do you do it? How do you do it?

Don't even start. Can we talk about Rams bears first?

I'm hoping we could talk about Rams bears to a point where you forget about your team. Maybe we can go the whole hour and a half if you want.

How dare you? Rams bears. Would it have been the cold commit game or the It's a Caleb Tecmo Bowl game for you? Because that was the original Tecmo Bowl offense of just running backwards 25 yards and heaving it toward the end zone, and then the guy catches it. But how would you remember that?

How does it actually went? Everything's the Caleb Williams game at this point. It really is. The good or bad. Yeah, because I don't know if he's the best fourth-down quarterback we've ever seen in our lives. How many does he have to have? How many miraculous fourth-down players does he have to have? He's got like Hearing a dozen now. But the fact that on that play, he was able to weave his way back and create a hale Mary where he had a third of the end zone to himself one on one, I just don't know how he does it.

He threw it what? 46 yards. It was a 14-yard breakdown pass that actually went 46 yards in the air. Look, he has replicated the best I've ever seen at any quarterback, the experience of watching a really fun NBA player who's all over the map from game to in a playoff series. You just never know when he's going to get hot, when he's going to bank in a three. He could be 6 for 22 and then make the last seven shots of the game. I think this season has been a massive win for him. I didn't know what to expect from him heading into this year. I didn't think it was going to be a bus, but was it going to be one of those disappointing? Was it going to be passed by Daniel? Was it going to be passed by Drake May? Now, I think he's the most exciting game-to-game quarter. You just don't know what to expect. You don't want to leave the room when he's on the field, I don't know what he's going to do. You always feel like there's more there. He could just run around and run for 20 yards whenever he wants.

He can uncork any throw. The balls go all over the place. That Ram's interception in overtime, we should have known was going to happen because every time you start getting settled in and feeling like, Okay, I trust Caleb, and then he veers the other way. There's nobody like him.

It's an incredible phenomenon locally and probably nationally, but at least in Chicago, you have 60-year-old truck drivers teamsters painting their nails black for this guy. What the hell is going on over there? Really? You got Collinsworth with the next-gen stats. I don't know what my sperm count is anymore with this guy, but it's phenomenal to see. It's like, yeah, you don't know when you're going to get it, except that it's definitely going to be in the fourth quarter in a crucial time. But then he could turn it over again.

I wrote down in my notes that they can't feel the blood in their body until they're down seven with less than five minutes left. As soon as they're down 17, 10, they can get a stop. You just assume, All right, here they go. This is who they are. They left a lot on the table during this game, but so did the Rams. I thought the Rams really tucked their tail between the legs a couple of times, especially late So they just seemed very safe, uncharacteristically safe. And then when they got that interception, I think McVeigh rightly said, What are we doing? Let's go. Let's turn it up here.

Probably give credit to most of the defenses that played this weekend, right? Because otherwise, we're just going to crap on the quarterbacks and the play callers. I don't have a high opinion of myself as a play caller, but I think I could have done better in three of the four games we saw for sure. Mcvay and Ben Johnson looked like they threw out the playbook. Mcvay had six passes inside the 30 in the go-ahead drive. And then to kill the clock, all I needed was a first down on third and seven, I think. And it's just like, yeah, a week run up the middle. I don't know. I don't know if they're flipping coins back there or what was going on. And Ben Johnson, you were all over it today.

Just on his own. The third and ones and the fourth and ones and just the really predictable. Collinsworth kept I was thinking about what a gunslinger he was and this man Johnson, look out. And then it would just be the most generic play as possible. I didn't think that Caleb used his legs enough. I thought that same way about Jake May, too, in the game before. But then you think about yesterday where And Payton does the design roll out with Bo Nicks and the guy breaks his ankle. So maybe that's why they're afraid to let these guys run around and do their stuff. But I thought the Rams were incredibly fortunate for a couple of reasons, but mainly because if the bears had just gone for two with 18 seconds left, I just feel like they would have gotten it.

Yeah.

I have no evidence. Throw out the math, it's just pure. I know the nerds say momentum doesn't happen, but you have that play, you get a countdown, and I at least show like, I'm going to pretend I'm going to go for two and make the Rams panic and see. I don't know. I just feel like they would have gotten it. At that point, it felt like the bird with the angel was on their shoulder and they were going to get it.

Birds, angels, everything. I mean, everything's stacking up on this. Bird shit. Yeah, bird shit. I'm with you. I don't go by the nerds in that situation. I go by the opposing team's fans. We always talk about this, right? So what are Rams fans? They're all Rams fans, right? But what are Rams fans? There's a collective sigh when we see the extra point team come out to tie it up, right?

You had $28,000 on the Ram. So what did you want the bears to do? I bet you wanted higher. You wanted them to kick the extra point. Hell, yeah, of course. You were like, Let me take overtime. Let me have Matthew Stafford against up and down, Caleb. I'll take my chances.

By the way, both teams kicked off, lost. We could talk about that. I think it was worse in the Bills game, but another stupid thing. Got a tired defense out there. Take advantage, get the ball.

Yeah, and we just don't have enough of a math sample size to know what we should or shouldn't do in this situation. But it feels weird to me to kick off. Wouldn't you just want the ball and want to lay the smack down and want to try to score? And especially if you had the momentum of scoring at the end of the previous quarter, I just feel like that's what I would want to do.

You have to count momentum in that scenario because momentum comes with it. It's like these guys are playing and now what is it? 10 degrees by the time it's 11 o'clock at night, whatever it is, 10. But yeah, and you got to take advantage of that. You're giving them three free timeouts if they're playing defense second. And really, what's the benefit of I get the whole, we want to see what we have to do thing. When does that matter unless they score and then you score? Then the top of the second favors them because they're going to get the extra possession and they can win there.

Yeah, I just feel like the longer we watch football, the more we get confused by stuff. I still don't know what it catch is. We argued about, we'll talk about the Buffalo game later. We argued about that for 12 hours.

Yeah, we have four inches of text arguing about that.

Devante Adams had a similar play of it, and we were like, No, he held it longer. There's no reason for any of this. The more football we watch, the more confused I think we get by all of it. But it did feel like the big lesson to me during that game was it felt like the teams were really even.

Yeah.

I don't know if we value enough the weather stuff with these matchups and just in general. I feel like it's a variable we talk about the same way we talk about the Rams don't have a good run game, and the bears don't have a very good run defense. They have this and... It's like, maybe you just throw all of it out. It's like, is the weather going to be bad? The game is probably going to be close. Or in Houston's case, is the weather going to be bad? Because they can't block and I don't trust their quarterback. And maybe I don't need to know anything else about the matchup. Maybe that's it. But I don't know. Do we discount the indoor-outdoor and all the weather stuff too much?

I think we did. Well, a lot of times the weather report is They'll show something in the morning and you'll see snow. Oh, my God, how are fans even going to get in that stadium? And then it's all cleaned up and everything and it just looks cold. I don't try to live and die by it. But I know one thing we could throw out, the performance we saw last week. Maybe we don't know what a catch is, but we don't know what to think of these. Both defenses played really good today, right? Yeah, bears especially. Rams had nothing of that against Bryce Young. Jordan Love could have probably put up 40 points against the bears in the first half if he wanted to, but they really hit hard.

Well, they, Collins said at one point, the Rams were having trouble with the footing and the receivers were having trouble with the footing. And you think like, obviously I'm biased and anyone who roots for an East Coast team is biased on this one. But playing outdoors and what it does for your stats and your ability to do stuff on offense versus being in a dome indoors, I think it's a real thing. I look at the breeze stats and Manning stuff in Indian US. I just think it's an advantage versus if you're somebody like braided, who is not sound like a braided defender, even though, as you know, I am. But he's in the AFC East. He's playing at least 12 games a year outdoors. Then a lot of the playoff games outdoors. I just think it's harder to put up stats. You saw the Rams. Puka has been the best receiver, not only of this year, but of the last couple of years. And he seemed a little more mortal today when you throw him outdoors, although he did end up making the biggest play of the game. But I think there is something to that, though.

These warm weather dome teams outdoors, you really have to count that.

You can see the stats on the splits for home in a way, if your home is in a dome. Most of the time, it does make a difference. I'll tell you, I think we set a record this weekend for passes that were just behind the receiver. Like a Dunes A. Was that a Dunes A in the first quarter? Like, oh, we should have had it. But I felt like we saw 40 of those all weekend.

We could talk about it. Strata may had a couple in the game before that, too. We had the bears down seven, huge drive. They go all the way down. They can't get it. Ram's giving them the ball back. Caleb, prayer. Then we go to... It was so much happened, but the bottom line is the Ram scored, what, 10 points in the last three hours of the game.

Yeah, it's true.

If I'm the Seahawks, I'm probably rooting for the bears as I watch that game, right? But I'm a little less afraid of the Rams.

Yeah, I think so. I mean, it's a rubber match, right?

Yeah, third I don't know.

I guess McFay is going to have it out for them more. But yeah, for sure. It's a coin toss now going forward, except for your freaking team. It's going to go all the way.

Well, on FanDuel now.

Well, don't look at all.

No, I'm not going to look at the lines. I'm going to look at the futures. Yeah, Seattle is plus 150 now.

Yeah.

Pat's plus 220. Rams plus 220. Bronco's 13 to one.

What happened with the Broncos? I miss something? They were in the final four.

They were looking so good.

Why they're 13 to one?

So the NFL's best case scenario is May versus Stafford, the Rams rematch, McBay getting his revenge against the Patriots. May in his second year making the Super Bowl. If you're just talking big picture story lines, that's probably the coolest. For sure. May versus Darnold, we would just see the Darnold Ghost, the clips of that one Jets Pass game. That would just be two weeks of that.

Or Malcolm Butler, right? That's the-Oh, yeah.

That's the SeattleA Seattle revenge game. Yeah.

I think three of the-Yeah, that's fair. Three of the four are Super Bowl rematches, right? Yeah. New England-Rams, which was a lousy Super Bowl. Seattle, New England, one of the best ever.

Maybe Seattle, New England is the best one because Seattle has never won a Super Bowl. You can't go wrong. And they would be getting their revenge on that. Then when we move into the Stidham territory, now you have to start talking to yourself. I have this written down, the backup QB being heard from either in the conference, Championship or the Super Bowl. The best that that's ever worked out was Hostetler and nick Foles, who talk shit today about the Patron. I didn't appreciate that, nick Foles.

I love it. What does he have to lose? That's terrific.

Fuck off, nick Foles. Wow. Nobody wanted to hear from you.

Yeah. You know what? It's all good.

Backup QB. We had that Bradley Bledso thing where then Bledso came into the AFC title game in 2001 after Bradley had taken his job and held the fort. Earl Morrow, going way on the Colts, but they ended up not winning. Tony Easton, the '85 Bears, 40th anniversary of the Bears Pats, Schalacking. But Grogan had been the starter. Then Tony Easton, Grogan had his job, and then Tony Easton basically took it back for the Super Bowl, but it felt like it was Grogan's job. But it's really not a lot of examples. Did you say Hostetler?

You said Hostetler or no?

Hostetler. But yeah, Hostetler is the most famous, I think. Right.

Yeah.

Instead of having one career win, I think this be the new standard if he was able to win two more games.

One career win. He hasn't done a pass in almost two and a half years, right? I like him.

I can't say I feel awesome about... If there were some other backup QB, some of the ones we watched on and tried to bet against during the season. Really? I'd be like, Oh, my God, we get to play this guy. This is amazing. I don't know. Stidham's not horrendous. He can sling it a little bit. He's one of the highest paid backups in the league.

I'm calling bullshit on this. You know what? Show me your text with your Patriot fan text. And shame on you and all your incorrigible Masshole chums on your patch chain. I'm sure you celebrated the second you found out, Bo Nicks was out. Go ahead.

Read me something. We try to be magnanimous, and we try to celebrate everybody else's wins. I'm sure you try. We just play who's in front of us. So do you feel better or worse about the Rams after that No, I agree with you about Seattle.

I think they should feel better about their chances. I don't want to ruin the line anyway, but you said their favorites win the Super Bowl, and there's a reason. So I just, in general, I think Seattle is just trying to beat us here. You saw what we're all about.

Well, let's talk about that game really quickly, and then we could circle back. The Sam Darnold injury, Rope-A-Dope, I fell for it. I had all these Seattle bets Schefter, I don't know, not trusting that guy anymore with info. It really made it seem like Darnold was, this could be a miracle if this guy can throw a pass and then the game starts and he seems fine. The line moved from seven and a half to six and a half. No.

Well, it was seven. It was seven and a half.

Well, I'm saying seven and a half start of the week, settled at seven. By game time, it was six and a half.

Yeah.

Then Darnold was fine.

I had San Francisco plus seven, so I don't think I could do much bragging here, but it wasn't because of Sam Darnell's oblique. Because you could read every Adam Schefter or Jay Glazer, whatever, sports doctor report on the injury, and you could read one number on FanDuel Sportsbook. And if that number didn't go from seven to three and a half, there was no chance of him throwing pregame and be like, You know what? I can't make a go of it. And I looked it up, an oblique isn't even a body part, by the way. I think it's a font. I'm not sure.

It only matters in baseball. Somebody could pull their a week in baseball. They're out for six weeks. They just have the red flag next to them in fantasy baseball forever. Well, this was one of those where I had a couple of people over to watch the first game, and they were leaving and came back in, and the Seahawks were celebrating and they were up seven, nothing. I didn't even see the first. It was one of those where it's like, Oh, it's going to be one of these games. They have no chance.

I missed it, too. I felt like I was still seeing because I have knucklehead friends reporting on Bo Nicks. I'm like, this isn't true. I was checking Twitter so much that I missed the first play, the first and only play that mattered.

I want to talk about the Seahawks in a second, but the most damning thing, I think, all weekend is the Eagles who didn't even play. And they lose last week to that Niners team that just seemed so depleted and overmatched this week. I mean, they didn't have Kittle, but it was mostly the same team. And if I was an Eagles fan, that would even matter than I was a week ago. I was thinking, is this a possible playoff manifesto ad? Don't take any playoff team that had a miserable season. It doesn't seem like they liked each other. It seems like they might be excited to be in the Bahamas in a week over round two. Wow. I'm just going to remember them with the Eagles because clearly it was a rollover by them. It's fucking embarrassing. They should be the champions. What title defense was that? In the playoffs. If I was an Eagle fan, I'd be furious. Really? We He lost to that fucking team? Who was the receiver who had 100 yards? Demarcus Robinson? Did he even have a catch yesterday? How are you doing? How are you doing Phil Belfia?

Terrible. What about Eagles fans? What if you're the Eagles's management? What if you're Howie Roseman? But they didn't fire Siriani, right? He survived the week. Seriani must be like, Oh, thank God. All right, I'm good. Big dom. Let's go out and get some chicken parm. We're going to be fine. Then Howie Roseman sees that. I would think twice now about keeping him around based on the next game that the Niners played. What are you looking at? What are you doing? I'm asking Gaha.

No, I'm asking Gaha if we have to take a break after this. I listened to everything you said. That's all right.

It doesn't matter.

No, I heard everything you said.

Do we have to take a break? No, not yet. You want to do the intro again?

Can I have another crack in it or are we live? Seattle is now 15 and 3, and they have the top six best DVOA of all time right now. They They beat in the Niners twice. They beat the Steelers, the Jaguars, Houston, Carolina, and the Rams. Lost to the Rams and the Niners, both close. And really look good. If you're a Seahawks fan, this is as good of a chance as you've ever had. You made the Super Bowl in '05, but who'd you have in that game? Pittsburgh, Seattle. It was a weird year.

Which one? Oh, that one. Yeah, no, I had Pittsburgh.

We were in Detroit. We had that crazy Colts game.

Yeah, we did the show in Detroit.

Pittsburgh had that crazy Colts win when they stopped Manning and then Betis fumbled on the one-yard line. And Rothsberger made that crazy tackle and basically saved the game. And then they end up winning, and they end up winning the whole thing. The Seattle fan still pissed off about the calls in that game.

Defensive holding?

Yeah. And a couple of years later got their NBA team stolen. So they're a little edgy.

All right. And then what you guys did to them with the Malcolm Butler thing. Yeah, I think I was surprised that both them and Denver didn't come out rusty. The two buy teams, right? It used to be four buy teams, whatever. But both teams were right on. At Denver, score, what, 20 in the first half. Josh Allen helped that. But Seattle, what was that? Two plays in the game was over? You had the kick return, and then you had San Francisco on fourth and one with that fullback option to McCaffee. Who's checked to McCaffee? He's like, Oh, this is way over this game. Like, Darnell could throw. I think he threw for 106 yards. He didn't probably have to do that much to win.

Tough party game, too. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if McCaffee, do they start treating him like the Clippers treat Kawhi or something. Where you just try to get 10 games. If you're trying to actually win a couple of playoff rounds with him, do you try to just get 10 games out of him in the season, stagger his minutes?

You know what's funny? I was looking at him play, and I know the Seahawks were swarming and they had more energy anyway, but I was like, oh, even Macafre doesn't look fast. He didn't look like the blaze that we were used to with CMC. And then I saw this stat. It said, Next Gen stats. Their average top speed this year was 12. 81 miles per hour, the 49ers. That was 6 slowest in the NFL. And D Winters, the linebacker, is the only one to reach 20 miles an hour. So I was like, oh, finally, some useful...

I mean, that actually is pretty useful. I like that. All right, so we're going to take, I think, a break, and then we'll come back and we'll hit the AFC games because those were... Well, there was one game that was the most interesting game in the week. So we'll be back in one second. The Bill Simmons podcast is presented by Fandil. Fandil's got it all. Same game parlays, quick bets for jumping in live. They have your way. Go check out your way. You can build the bet that fits your play, your way. Plus, don't miss out on the NFL playoffs, one of my favorite times of the year, all month long. Download the Fandil app or head to fandil.

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Really? How so? Yeah.

That was a heart attack game. You're home, the weather's bad. The other team's quarterback throws four interceptions in the first half. All of a sudden, it's a one possession game, and we feel like we have no momentum at all. There's about 20 minutes of that game. It got pretty dark. I don't think I was the only Pats fan who felt that way. It was like, really? This is how the season is going to end, where we lose a team whose quarterback had such deer in the headlights that at halftime, the argument was whether they're going to replace them with the backup in a round two playoff game. When was the last time that happened? 1984? The Marcus Spears, I think it was the right point. Are they going to bring in Davis Mills because we were texting about it. Then Ryan Clark came in, You can't do that. This guy's your quarterback. He got around to it. All of a sudden, they're having first take in the halftime show. I was riveted because I was like, I think they should play Davis Mills. I think Stroud's a sunk cost.

Three games, right? How many interceptions and fumbles? Eight? Ten? How many are you going to allow before your season's over?

My dad and I were texting. Both of us were like, I hope they don't bring in Mills. I hope they keep Strouding, please. Anyway, the third quarter starts, and then all of a sudden, the Pats can't do anything, and the Texans have momentum, and it looks like we can't block Will Anderson anymore. He's just going by Campbell. It took a lot out of me. I can't lie. We're getting older. These are tough.

Yeah, I know. Well, this isn't the bragging I was expecting. That's for sure. I really thought you were going to tell me how this is the best Pats team of all time.

That throw to Keisha.

It's definitely not. Keisha on Boody was... I mean, that's the one nice thing I'll say about this Patriot team. That, I think, was the catch of the year. And we see millions of them. We see Puker going up with one hand. But to do it in the snow, whatever else was going on with one hand and really put a stamp on that game. You were nervous until then, right? Then that was it.

I felt they were driving and looked at they're going to get a field goal, and I didn't think the Texans could get 11. But Boody basically ended the game. What's interesting is that was every Drake May game this year where It's a little choppy for the first 45 minutes of the game or in real-time, 45 minutes. It's just not... And then all of a sudden, it clicks in and he's off. And in this game, he did that. And then the third quarter, all of a sudden, he seemed off again and then rallied back. But every game this season, he's had a perfect 35, 40-yard throw like that. This time, the guy had to make an amazing catch on it, but they've hit that throw. It feels like every week. He was waiting on it, was waiting on it, and then finally did it, and it ended the game. You knew they weren't going to get two touch downs.

That's all he should do is throw long passes. He shouldn't bother with this short stuff. He's great at throwing long passes. As soon as he tries to throw over the middle, he holds onto it too long, he gets sacked, he fumbles, he's subpar quarterback. You want to call him an MVP? That's fine. Just throw long every time.

Subpar is a little strong.

Rear back and throw it.

I think he was holding it a little too long, considering Will Anderson was in the backfield in about four seconds every single play. They didn't use his legs that much. I think that fumbal freaking them out. I thought they were going to be rolling them out. Dude's design rolled out. The stuff that swung the game was the eye formation. When they went bigger and really started to try to run the ball. Ramondre was out for a while. That wasn't open either. But that booty catch, I didn't want to tell you I was doing this. I wanted to be a surprise because I knew how excited you would be. Go ahead. Best Patriots playoff catches ever made a list. I'll just go in descending order to the biggest one. Gronk versus the Chiefs in 2018.

How many are you doing?

What is this? No, this is just six. Gibbons versus the Panthers, second Super Bowl. Gronk, fourth and 10 against Denver. Super. Afc title game down the middle. They ended up losing that game, but that was an hour. He's double-covered, 40-yard pass down the center. This is my favorite Gronk play. Edelman, third and 14 against Seattle, and he's basically concussed during the play and keeps going, and then claimed he wasn't concussed. Amindola against Jacksabil, and then Edelman in the Falcons game, the dive, the whatever, when it seemed like, Wait, did he catch that? When he caught the deflection, which is still the best Patriots catch we've ever had.

So you're not putting in the top seven?

I think this might be- Seventh? I would put this fourth. Now, if they don't win anything, if they don't win the Super Bowl, maybe it drops. But yeah, it clinched a round two playoff game. It sent them to the AFC title game. All my tech today were basically like, we can go C. J. Stroud in the Snow, Stidham, Sam Darnold, and we win the Super Bowl. It's like we were just sending him back. Nobody could believe this was the path. We can only play his in front of us, Sal.

I know. I know. I know. I really just gets worse and worse. You get great news that Josh Allen is knocked out of the playoffs, and then four minutes later, you get news that Bo Nicks is out of the playoffs. And then no chargers with no offensive line, Texans I don't know Nico, Bronco. I feel like if the Venezuelan opposition leader presented the Patriots with the Lombardi Trophy, do you accept it? Does Kraft lower himself to accept it?

It's not really your fault. God only knows with Kraft these days. Well, we were missing guys. We didn't have Matt Collins. It's been huge for us. Might get him back next week. I can't believe this. Yeah. I know everybody's going to make the joke. Everyone's going to joke about the schedule. It's just how we're going to do this the next couple of weeks, especially if they beat Denver. They'll be like, Oh, how do I bet on the Pat's Super Bowl MVP being the schedule? We know we're going to hear the jokes. We only play as a front of us. Do you know who the 2019 Chiefs played in Mahomes' first Super Bowl title?

Do you remember who they You want me to list all the teams? I don't remember. I'll give you the play-off. The play-off teams? Go ahead.

They played the crappy Texans. They played the Titans and Ryan Tannehill, and then they played the Niners and Jimmy Garappo, and they won the Super Bowl. Nobody was like, Who'd they play?

Right.

And they were down 10. Who was it? I don't know why we pick and choose the who'd we play thing.

Well, this is extraordinary.

That's the pick-tooth's fault that Josh Allen fucking choked on Saturday, which he did. There we go. For him. He's supposed to be the best player in the league. He didn't play well enough. That's not the Patriot's fault. We're waiting for him. He's not there.

I think the Stroud thing is extra damning because he's supposed to be decent, and he put out two of the worst playoff games of all time combined, right? And they still won five plus interceptions and five plus fumbles in a single postseason. It's the first one to do it. Four plus interceptions in a single playoff game, which puts him in good company. He tore that Kate Stover's ACL, throwing a pass to him. It was a noncontact. I hope he didn't tear. I haven't looked up, though. I hope not. But I've He's never seen that before. He just had to twist himself to get back to an awful pass. So I don't know what happened.

He had four picks, and then it felt like five more we almost caught or could have caught. And then four that were just completely uncatchable. The guys that seemed like they were open. I don't know.

I wasn't there. He doesn't like getting hit, and he especially doesn't like getting hit in the cold. And that's why that pick six happened, which was really the game changer I felt.

Well, he almost had a full DeLorean, so.

I know. It's close.

For the newer listeners or people of the pod, way back when Jake DeLome, I think he had five pics, including a pick six, or maybe it was five pics in a fumbal, whatever it was. We called it the full Deloam. This was just a Deloam. It wasn't a full Deloam. Yeah, right. He needed one more. I was waiting for him to get it, and he couldn't do it. But there was a half decent, how much can you actually blame him debate? Because clearly, he deserves a bunch of blame, and he was terrible. But Deneuve Nico Collins, the running game wasn't there. The Pats just took that down. Schultz got hurt early. I don't know. He lost his right tackle.

This all goes on the Lombardi Trophy. All this goes on your trophy. Schultz got hurt early.

Because they're already talking after the game like, Would you give this guy an extension?

Yeah, right.

He had last two seasons, including the playoffs, 26 picks, 42 touch downs. There was a legitimate, should they start his backup in the second half of a do or die playoff game combo. I would be nervous to give him the extension. I thought he took a step back this year.

I would, too. I think we for sure thought he was the best quarterback in that division, right? And now we reluctantly have to give it...

Who is it?

Trevor Lawrence? Wait, we're How are we?

I think it is Trevor Lawrence. Yeah, I think that's where we are. It's sitting there for Kam Ward.

Kam Ward could get it, too. Yeah, and to your point, it helps in these cold weather, miserable games. If you run the ball, right? Yeah. I would think. And Woody Marks was what? 14 for 17 with a fumble? You're just not going to get it that way.

In the first half, not only do we have the four takeaways and the pick six, they forced 22 plays of zero or negative yards would set the record for this century for a first half in a playoff game. They had the run defense in the chargers game, this game combined 30 carries for 61 yards. This is what I was saying last week before the chargers game. The stats would Williams plays versus when he doesn't. It's like night and day. They have all their D linemen back, and they're really good at stopping the run. The Texans, I thought, had a pretty good game plan. They kept picking on Carlton Davis, who's the... That's the cornerback all the Pats fans are scared of. He's always in the middle of It feels like a PI or a possible PI every time. He had two picks, he had a couple of PIs. He went out at the end, right? But they went after him. Then he got hurt at the end. But they went after him. But I think when Schultz went out, I think that really screwed with them because they weren't going to be able to run the ball.

They didn't have that eight-yard guy over the middle. Let's be honest, they just were never good enough offensively this year, I think, to match whatever the defense was. Then I'll say this about the defense, which was admittedly awesome in a couple of stretches, but the Pats had three full shutdown drives on them. It wasn't like you watched and you're like, Oh, they had these intercept. They had three drives to score, including to end the game, and the Texans didn't stop them. So when people were talking about them compared to the 2000 Ravens. Settle the fuck down. All right.

But three shutdown drives for 193 yards, nine other drives for two total yards. I think you had seven first downs after three quarters. If you just isolate that, I agree. C. J. Stroud should be ashamed of himself for not beating bat.

I didn't love the play calling. I thought May really took a while to get going. It's a real thing, these young quarterbacks in the playoffs, because we saw it with Caleb, too. They're just all over the They're not consistent enough yet. But he ended up, he had three touch downs. Thought he had some really good throws. I think next week will be easier. Are you wildly impressed by the Denver defense? Because I'm not.

I don't think it's going to be as good as what we saw today. No. But maybe they'll play with a chip on their shoulder.

All right, give me the unbiased just watching the Pats. Do they seem like a Super Bowl team to you? Because to me, I feel like it's a year early.

What do you mean Super Bowl team? Will they advance to the Super Bowl?

As you watch them, is it like, holy shit, this is a team that belongs in the Super Bowl? Because to me, it feels like we had this in Parcels' last season, the '96 team, which just felt like a year from now was going to be the awesome team. And then all of a sudden, they made the Super Bowl. I was like, all right, I guess we're ready. That's how I feel about this team.

I mean, probably not. But when Denver is the number one seed and Jacksonville is fighting for the number two seed by the last week and Buffalo is shaky, you might as well be. Yeah, sure. In that scenario, I think you are. You're right there. I really have to say something nice about this team.

Well, I tried to trap you and you wouldn't do it.

No, I'm not doing it.

Knew a few people were at the game and they said the electricity was 100% back.

Really?

It was 2000s level. Everybody loved it. It was an old school.

It was fun.

Feisty D doing the whole thing. The Pats go to Denver, were there 0 and 4 in the playoffs of my lifetime. All games that were memorable for some reason. The Rulon Jones safety on Tony Easton. Down three with the ball and somehow, fucking Tony Easton gets sacked for a safety. Never forgive that dude. The Plumber-Champ-Baley game. Plumber is one good playoff game. I guess he had one against Dallas, too. Then the Champ-Bayly when Ben Watson ran, basically. They didn't have the next-gen stats for He was probably like 32 miles an hour.

He's off the charts, Bill. We can't even measure that.

And ball goes out at the one. I thought it went out of the end zone. That's the one. Apparently for braided, that's the Super Bowl. That and '07 are the two that bother him the most that they didn't get. Really? Yeah, because I think they might have been the best team in '05. 2014, that was the year Hernández stuff went down right before the season and then T. J. Ward.

That didn't bother braided. That stuff didn't bother braided.

They tried to play on, and then T. J. Ward took out Gronk. So we went in to Denver without both of those guys, lost that one. And then the last one was the noodle arm, Peyton Manning season. The 20 to 18 loss. Two-point conversion. 2-point conversion, didn't get it. I think braided was concussed for that entire game. So anyway, my point is they've never won there. I have a vague memory of Elway beating us 20 times. I don't think the stats back that up, but this has been mostly a house of horrors for the Pats, and now Jared Stidema waits.

But the good news is there's not one player associated with any of those years anymore on either team, so you're good.

So you don't believe in the laundry package?

I don't know. I might if Foe Nix was quarterback. We're going to get into that game, but I just can't believe it, man. I just can't believe it.

I'm ready to get in that game right now. Let's do it. Where do we start? You want to start on the Denver side or the Buffalo side?

You should do the intro. Talk about what just one of the guys.

Should I do the intro again? Yeah. Just one of the guys coming on the rewatch.

What a day. Well, I think we got to reluctantly kill Josh Allen for this.

Two picks, two lost fumbles, including a fumble before the end of the first half that cost them three points. That was something like Sharder Sanders or pick a rookie quarterback. It was a rookie quarterback play. It was inexplicable. Missed Knox for the game-winning, down three, 20 seconds left. Missed hard, been an OT when they're driving, they would have been in field goal range. She just threw him a grounder. Bad throw. Then the Bills fans fixated on those three calls. The bottom line is Alan missed a ton of throws. Their defense was up four with four minutes left and had a chance to close the game out, and they didn't do it. Then they had to hold an OT, and they couldn't. They gave up the two PIs, which, by the way, were both PIs. I'm sorry.

Yeah, I'm proud of you. I'm good. Well, I know you're going to have the anti-bill slant anyway, but yeah, it was Josh Allen's fault. At this point of year, I feel like it really gets taxing, like defending referees and Tony Romo. It ends up being like 22 hours of my day. But the referees are going to make calls. They're not going to make calls. Say what you will about those past interferences. The game could have ended 30-30. There was a hold in the end zone. If you want to be like that, it could have been 32-30 on the safety. That would have been that.

It was 100% a hold in the end zone that they let go. And they missed calls both ways the whole game.

Of course. And guess what? They're not trying to keep Josh Allen out of the Super Bowl. That'd be a great story for them. That's what they want. So this one is, and I feel like the others maybe weren't all on Josh Allen. I feel like this is 70, 80% on him. The others, it's a kicker that misses. The Chiefs were better.

I want to go through those.

We can, but it's just like this is just... It's rough for him. It's rough to see him cry. And both locker rooms were crying because of the result.

It was a brutal loss. Allen was 0 for 9 on passes, 20 yards downfield, including the two picks. He just wasn't good enough, and he should be able to win that game because I thought his defense was good enough, kept him around, and it really felt like the way Cook was running the ball. If he had a normal Josh Allen game, I think they win. So you go through, he's eight and seven in the playoffs now, and he's had four horrific payoff losses, which was the first one was the 2019 that Houston overtime loss. They blew a 19-point lead in that. They lost to Casey by 14. I mean, they had a couple of normal playoff losses, but they had that OT loss that was not his fault, the 13 seconds game in '22. They had the loss last year by three. Basically, went four downs and out when they had a chance to close the game. Then they had the one this year. He's had in his last three playoff losses, or three of in his last four. He's had the ball with a chance to close the game, and he didn't do it.

He hasn't done it yet, and they haven't made a Super Bowl yet. I think he's the best player in the league, but I don't know if you can say that anymore if this keeps happening. I think this is the first... I've been on that corner since August. This is the first time where I'm like, I don't know if you can say it anymore. That was bad.

Yeah. How about this? He's QB2, and there's no QB1. But he's not QB1. I just don't know.

It's like the WW title is vacant because somebody got injured?

I'm fine with that for this year.

I'm fine with that. I don't think there's anyone top of the mountain right now. Yeah.

And your guy can jump.

I think it's vacant. It's fine. My guy could do it. My guy's not ready for that either.

Yeah. I mean, this is six divisional round games, 0 for 6, can't get past it. I think six overtime games. He had the ball and a chance to win in five of them. He's put up three points in those six games. It's rough, and it's really rough. And we talked about all the weather that went on this week and the bad stuff. Like, well, a good running game could disguise bad quarterback play. You never thought you'd have to disguise Josh Allen's quarterback play. But the Bills had the most rushing yards this weekend out of anyone. They had 183 yards. That was such a bonus for Cooke to be on fire. What do you have? Like 117? The terrible fumble. I mean, it was reminiscent of the Jacksonville last week who was up 7-3. They didn't fumble, but they missed on the fourth and This week, Buffalo is up 7-3, about to go 14-3 and Cooke fumbles. But the difference is you have Josh Allen. You should be able to overcome that.

Yeah. And if you're going to make excuses for him, and we haven't talked about the call yet, but we will. But if you're going to make excuses, like depleted receiving core. He had Cooks involved in multiple huge plays who wasn't on a football team seven weeks ago. He had Hardman, who I don't even think was on the team a month ago. He's out there in an important spot. Shaquire is basically, they're using him like he's Troy Brown in 2001. But there's been other great quarterbacks who've been in situations with inferior receiving. Like, braided went in his first Super Bowl with Jermaine Wiggins and David Patty and I think David Givens. I can't even remember who the received. Troy Brown was the best one. But then you go on through '06 when they almost beat the Colts in the FC title game, the Pats. That was the Rasha Caldwell, Jafar Ghafny, Benjamin Watson. This happens sometimes when you're paying your quarterback 55 million. Sure. You have some bad luck. You might end up with this.

You can't have everything. His tight ends are very good. His tight ends are very good. His offensive line is good. His offensive line is good. He had 18 countdown passes to non-receivers. So he's been able to figure out how to make it work between throwing a running backs and tight ends for sure. But Brandon Cooke's boy, my God, what a frustrating player. I mean, this guy was on what? Like a half a dozen teams before age 25, something ridiculous.

Yeah, including the pats.

You're right. And he's supposed to be a speedster. And Alan barely overthrew him three times. And then he takes a little off of it, and he actually catches it, but not long enough. I actually I think that was Alan's fault because he has to on the throw this guy he's overthrowing because it can't catch his speed. But you thought no catch. I thought they should have looked at it for God's sakes for longer than what they did.

I was shocked that people... It was a good argument because people felt strongly about it both ways. I didn't think it was a catch. I didn't remotely think that was a catch because he's catching and he hits it and people freeze frame. And if you freeze frame it, great. But that's not how football goes. It's like a continuation.

Why can't it freeze frame? We freeze frame pass interference, as they call, if there's a slightest tug of a jersey.

I get it, but you have to catch it and you hit the ground and you have to survive the catch at least a little bit. He lost the ball immediately. And if the Bronco wasn't there, it just would have been incomplete. But he lost it right to the Bronco. I don't know. I thought immediately, I was like, oh, shit, that's an interception. Really? But as we talk about over and over again, the definition of a catch seems to change week to week. People can bring in plays from the past. Here's the play when they called that a catch for the receiver. No doubt. I never thought he had the ball.

We could instantly find five examples.

I thought he lost the ball in one 100th of a second.

It was out of his hand. What's the answer? Was it have to be 6,100? Who decides? You, me? Who decides how long it has to be?

Well, let's agree. It can't be incomplete because it never hit the ground.

It never hit the ground.

Yeah, right. Yes. One of the two had to catch it. He took two steps, hit the ground, immediately lost it. And in any other scenario, they would have said he didn't If he didn't continue to catch. It's not a catch.

But McMillan has one hand on the ball.

So if he didn't continue to catch, it's not a catch. It went to the Broncos.

So at what point can they be like, All right, hey, it's not long enough, guys. Let's five of us come in here and sworn that ball out. Is it two seconds? Is it a half a second? He doesn't need to make a football move at that.

Maybe a half a second would have been nice. I agree that they should have looked at it longer. It was a big point to not be like, Hey, we're going to look at this for a minute here.

They spend 10 minutes looking at spots, fourth down spots, third down at one. They could look at this. Mcdermott is like, I'm going to call time out. Maybe I'll call all my timeouts here because I really think you guys should look at it for 40 seconds. And we still don't know what that eye in the sky and go to New York and booth review. We're still unclear about that, but there should have been some explanation about it. That's all I'm saying.

I agree. I don't think it was a catch. I thought it was a weird call. We saw this even in the Rams game today where it was before the field goal to win the game. They just took two shots at the end zone for no reason. Why aren't you guys getting closer? Why are you so comfortable with a 48-yard kick at, what was it, 10: 00 at night in Chicago, freezing cold?

Why are you so happy with this? Special teams have been great.

So I think they got Well, so I was doing a... I was nervous about the game and I was doing a bunch of research about Allen, and I was thinking, this might be the best version we've ever had of the QB, the great QB that can't get over the hump. Because when we were in high school and college, it was Moreno in L. A. They were like the yeah, but QBs where we would be like, Oh, they're so great, but... And especially Moreno, because Moreno really peaked '85 and '86 when he led the league in yards and tedious every year, they made the Super Bowl. And it just seemed like he was going to rip through the league. And he never really matched it, but he lost the Super Bowl to Montana. He lost the AFC title at home and to the '85 Pats, lost to Jim Kelly twice. They blew a 21-6 lead to San Diego, 95. Then he became pretty immobile. And it just... That was it. I still think he's one of the 10 best QBs since the merger. He's one of the best QBs I've ever seen. He didn't win.

Me, too. I don't think he was- I show my kids highlights of him, and I'm like, Come on, isn't that great? Doesn't that look different than a lot of what we see? And they're like, yeah, that's good. I mean, I don't know. He wouldn't be top five, type four today. I'm like, oh, God damn it. Of course he would. I promise you he would.

Well, if he So they're in like people are diving at his knees and hit him after he throws it and all the things that you had against you. So he was star-cross, but I don't think even close to Josh, year after year with these horrible losses, not to mention the Buffalo Bill's history and all the stuff, all the baggage that comes with being a Bill's fan, all the terrible things that have happened. And now you have this guy who's the best player in the league, and every year something happens. Elway was the other one. Elway was from '83 to '96, seven and seven in the playoffs, got blown out in the Super Bowl three times, had that huge choke against the '96 Jaguars. Did you have them in a parlay? Yes, I did. The Brunell game? I forgot. I looked up that game. They're up 12, nothing at home. Then the Jags score 23 Three straight points and ended up knocking them out. But then he flipped it, and they won in '97, '98. They went back to back Super Bowl, and it was moot after that. Then the other one was Peyton Manning, who the first eight years of his career was three and six in the playoffs, lost to the '99 Dolphins, lost to the Pats twice in a row, lost to the '05.

Stealers is his big favorites. That's probably the doppelganger for this, Allen and Manning, and Manning won in '06.

Minor League version of that, I'd put my guy in there, Romo. You could say what you want about him. No, that's fair. They had some really good years. They had 13 win years and 12 win.

The other one is Phil Rivers. I think you have to get thrown there, too. Rivers, I would say.

How long was Breeze before he went over the top?

He got his early because they went in '09.

Was it early? Against the Colts.

Yeah, that was '09. He'd only been on the Saints for a couple of years, so he doesn't count. Then I was going back to the '80s, and there's Dan Fauts, people like that who had little mini runs. This is crazy. Crazy because he's clearly the best quarterback in the league. But now there's this playoff thing hanging over it. And we see this. This happened in basketball more than football. This was like the old Karl Malone thing and people like that where they couldn't get over the hunt, basically.

A couple of things make this worse. Social media, right? Because within four minutes of the loss, you see Josh Allen come January, and there'll be a picture of Aaron Judge in a Bill's uniform. So that's awful. The second thing, he just falls to pieces during these conferences. Like, man, I don't know that it meant that much to Dan Moreno that he was losing. I'm sure it hurt.

Dan Marino just yelled at people. Yeah, exactly. Would have excoriated an intern.

Yeah, get out of my face. And I'm not talking to anyone until September thing. And Josh Allen is just even on the sideline, just broken up and just it's miserable.

There's something with the baggage. I was talking about it with a couple of Red Sox fan friends about, and I wrote about this 100 times when I was writing for ESPN about the mentality of a fan base when you You just feel like you're going to kick the nuts at the end of every season. We hit from our generation, from the Pedro era through the Aaron Boon game, where it was just like, I don't know if I should follow sports anymore. It gets the dark as the dark. You're just like, Why do I do this? Should I do this? Do I want to give this team to my kids? I think the bills, the combination of everything that's happened to them, really since the, I don't know, '80s. Sure. Late '80s into whatever, combined with the fact that they have this guy and they had this season where by far he would have been the best quarterback left. Now on top of it, you get to watch the Broncos advance and Bo Nicks is out and you have Jared Stitt. They're probably like, couldn't that Bo Nicks injury have happened 20 minutes earlier? We could have Jared Stitt.

It's really brutal. It's brutal for the fans. It's as bad as it gets.

I went to college in upstate New York. Everyone was a Bills fan. Some of them They're bearable. Some of them not. But the core fans are just... They're great fans up there. And I think now I know why they dive through tables, because they want to get concussed so they can forget about all this nonsense every year.

It's really bad. Yeah. So they were fixated in the call. Mcdermott played it big, but I just thought they blew that game in a bunch of different ways. And honestly, he's got to hit knocks. You just have to. I had my best QB since the merger. Braided, Montana Mahomes, Manning, Elway, Rogers, Moreno, Farb, Young, Allen. I think those are the best 10 QBs since 1970. And then you can throw Stafford, Brees, Rivers, Kirt Warner, Brad Shostabak. I just think Young and Allen were better than all those guys. Favre has to be above them, like when you throw in stats in a Super Bowl. But it's weird. Allen is the only one that... I guess Moreno would the other one that doesn't have that. Reno only played in one Super Bowl and lost.

Yeah. I mean, it's phenomenal that he's 0 for 6 in this round.

And lost to Mahomes over and over again is the other problem. That's like his biggest rival from his generation and lost him every time. This was bad because Nicks, I think, is the worst quarterback he's lost in.

I think so. I mean, I know you were down on Nicks. I don't know that. I think he probably played better than every quarterback this weekend. Who played better than him this weekend?

He might have. It was such a bad crop. We know that he threw the key PI throw. He had a broken ankle, it seems like, when he threw that last pass.

How about this? You don't have to worry about a call, ticky-tack call. If you have some safety help there. If it's a one on two when you're Eli Manning and you under throw it, the reps are less likely to call a pass interference if it's an uncatchable ball like that. I don't know. Don't leave it up. Where was the help on any of that stuff? He was smart, Nix, throwing it like that.

We've talked about it forever. Who was it Rivers that was doing it for a couple of years there or Flacko? Somebody was doing this in the way 2010s where this Rothsberger tried to do it. This offense where you're like, Oh, maybe we'll get one. There's three outcomes. Two of them are good for us. Let's just keep doing this. But the one of them was clearly designed to get a PI. That last one he threw was almost like a Halle Mary Moonball to drop down and try to get the D-back to collide into him. White was pissed off. I thought it was no question that was a PI.

I thought so, too. The second one for sure. Our first one was meh.

I don't know. I get it. If I'm a Bills fan, I'm making excuses for my guy. I'm fixating on that call. I understand all the stuff they're doing, but They blew the game. There's no other way to say it. They blew the game. They should have won. They should have won. They should have won 34-30. He should have hit knocks. The game should have been over.

Is it like this in basketball, would you say, where the officiating is scrutinized 500% more than the playoffs than it is the regular season? I guess because- The NBA is pretty bad, too, but it feels like the calls are bigger in football.

You have these calls that literally swing games. In basketball, you have the foul baiting and some stupid stuff, but it's hard to swing a game with a call in basketball.

And I've always said it's tough to officiate. Otherwise, it's just a practical joke on all us fans. Like, no, we're going to make the officiating in every sport bad. It's like, no, these guys are fast. It's hard to see. It's hard to make calls. But in the case of the Coox catch where you could review it, that's where I think they need to get it right or they need to explain or they need to do something different than on the spot call, which you can't review.

Well, the Broncos win. It's one of the great... I mean, they've won Super Bowl, so you can't say it's one of the great non-Super Bowl playoff wins. Probably you defeat Josh Allen. It's a great home win. It seems multiple times. It seems like you're going to blow it. And then 15 minutes later, we're all getting the text from each other. Whoa, oh, my God, Nicks. It's like, did he get hit by a car? What happened? It's like, no, he broke his ankle. How did he break his ankle? I watched the whole game. Would he break the ankle after the game?

It was a little bit weird because most of the reports were that he got it kneeling down, which wasn't the case. It was like, oh, my God.

It was that little design roll out thing. So they had an incredible amount of luck this year and then get a bad break at the worst possible time. I still think this did them thing. They're home. They have a really good defense. You saw this Pat's offense could be a little... The blocking could be, I would say, sketchy. Will Campbell, and he texted us. They have that. He was watching the video when Vrabel stands in the tunnel and he hugs each guy after. When the guys, the Patriots, come in and each guy does the handshake and the hug. And he said, Will Campbell looked like he had just gotten back from a tour of duty in some military site and just sitting there in the headlights. He has not done well as the left tackle. And now this Denver team that's going to load up on them. They're going to try to prevent the pats from running the ball.

I'll tell you why I'm not buying this, this what was me thing with the Denver thing, because if you are to lose to Denver, you're definitely listing your top seven Patriots playoff losses next year. And you're putting this in the top three. We're not going to have to worry about it because it's not going to happen. But I'm just telling you that's what would happen.

This will be pretty tough with the way it's lined up now. To play Darnold on a neutral field as the prize, who I still feel like... And I think our defense is good. I felt like people were sleeping on it. I think they can at least get pressure on him, make him try to work. I think González could take out J. And we'd match up pretty nicely with them. And I'm excited to watch the Malcolm Butler quit for two weeks. Oh, boy. But the pats have to get there first, and they have never, ever want to play off game in Denver.

You could hire P. Carroll as a consultant, right? They'd done that.

Like right now? Going into that game. He's like the Denver conciliary?

Yeah. Well, no, not Denver. For the Seattle game. Yeah. Like, hey, here's that. Oh, for the Seahawks? Yeah.

Because he was there since last two years. He was the guy. I thought you were going to say the Denver game because Vegas played them twice. Oh, that's true, too. I think Pete was only there in spirit.

Yeah.

Did you see Vegas, the Raiders record?

Not the record, but the scores against these playoff teams?

You guys lost. Before that or left?

Yeah. Unbelievable. They either won or lost by three. Football's weird.

That was when I really was concerned about Stroud, when I started him that week in fantasy in the playoffs and he played Vegas, and he was terrible. And I was like, what's up with this dude? And that was the guy that showed up today. Well, we've guessed the lines and we have two. Is this where you get sad? I'm already sad. Before we do Guess the lines, how did you do in the gambling?

I did okay because I had teasers all over the place. I have a ton, way, way too much. I'm going to have to pull my kid from college if the Hoosiers lose tomorrow because I had a bunch of-Tied to some of these games. Bills plus seven and a half. Seattle money line tied to Indiana. Fingers crossed. I get over the finish line there, across the finish line. But how did you do? You did well, right?

I did well. I would have done awesome if I hadn't panicked and done some Niners protection stuff. I got really scared.

Sue Schefter. You should sue him.

I got really scared. I did some... But I had my favorite one. I did a four-team seven-point tease. That's like two to one odds are close. I took both sides of the Bills Denver game because I was like, That game is going to be close. I'm just betting on that one. I had the Seahawks and then the bears plus 10 and a half today.

When they were down 2310, you were scared. I was nervous, too, with having the Bills plus points at 2310. Then you look up, it's like, how are they winning this game, 24, 23? What did Denver do?

Yeah, that was the weird thing. It was a little like the Stroud game where Allen was bad enough that all of a sudden the Bills were in a power position in the game. And it's like, I don't understand how this happened. It was weird. They didn't use Sutton enough. I thought some of the Sean Payton play calling, I thought was a little iffy. I don't really remember that much about Stittam. I don't think he can move like Nicks could, obviously, but I think he throws a good deep ball. So I don't know if they're going to try to just do heavy run and then play action with Stittam. And if they do that, that's perfect for the pats because they eat up the run.

I can't. Why don't you check out his preseason games? I'm sure there's tape of it because he started every preseason, first two preseason games every year. It's the third of four strings.

It's a great spot for Drainke. We'll see. I don't think he was probably happy with those first two playoff games, especially the ball protection stuff. They got lucky. There was one fumbal that really would hurt them, and the pats were able to get it back. But I think they need to start rolling them out away from pressure. I can't believe with the way this team blocks that they're in the final four. It just doesn't seem like he has more than three seconds ever.

When do you think Donald gets hurt? Is it like washing his car? See, we went through this with the Celtics two years ago.

With all the teams, the Celtics played that year, and it was like, asterisk, asterisk, and then they beat Dallas.

This is especially... This is incredible, though. This is just every week, right? Even when the good teams don't show up.

But if you had this situation with your guy, Tony Romo in the late 2000s, you would have loved it.

Of course, I would have loved it. You have to love it. Yeah. But you're going to get it.

We knew this was going to be a weird year. We were saying this in October. We were like, get ready for a fucking weird playoffs. None of these teams are that good. Who are the good teams?

I'm I'm just saying, don't accept the trophy. That would be a bold thing to do. It would be like the fans of Massachusetts fans would be like, people would be like, all right, I'm okay with them now. I bet maybe at five to one for MVP, for Super Bowl MVP, I did on the pregame show today. I was like, enough is enough. Throw in the towel. How much was it? I'm Duke and Rocky 4, five to one odds. That was this morning. It's got to be updated. It's got to be less than that now.

So do they have the Super Bowl MVP odds or no?

That's what I'm saying. Up right now?

Do they have all of them up? Oh, yeah, they do.

Yeah.

Darnold's plus 250, May is plus 280, Stafford plus 330, JSN 14 to one, Pukas 17 to one, and Walker, 20 to one. I think there's a real JSN case. Really? Yeah. Because the Seahawks one, and we've seen receiver, we just had it happen with Cooper Cup a couple of years ago. We've seen receiver's win MVP when the quarterback stats aren't that good and the receiver is 10 for 122 with a shutdown or whatever, sometimes they'll win it.

I'm predicting you put a Hyundai on Christian Gonzales at 225 to one. No doubt about it.

He was good today. He got that. He was excellent today. It really helped him that Nico Collins wasn't playing, obviously. I don't have to tell you, we have Stidham versus an aging Matthew Stafford versus Drake May versus Sam Darnold. And that's our final four of QBs. What were the ads of that, you think, in August?

You couldn't get it.

Is it like a million to one?

Yeah, you couldn't get it. The Stidham part.

If I told you Stidham was starting in the AFC title game at home, you would have thought Bo Nicks got hurt in week four, and Stidham did a nick Foles.

Well, yeah, I guess so. Yeah, I guess that would be the only way to do it. Oh, man, it's freaking Patriots.

All right, guess the line. So bummed.

Go ahead.

I don't even know. Do we know what's the first game? What's the second game? I'm assuming Pads Denver is first game.

You think you're in the night game? They should send your game to Europe. They should play that in Ireland somewhere at 3: 00 in the morning. Of course, you're in the first game. You should have been the first game Saturday, if not for Houston and the rest.

They moved their game this Saturday. I went Pats. So Pats in Denver. I went Patriots minus one and a half.

Wait a minute. Really? That's what you did?

Yeah.

I said Patriots minus five, and it's Pats minus five and a half. Are you crazy? I was wondering why you were so worried. You got this, buddy.

So if Nicks was the QB, what would the line have been?

I think it would have been a tic-tac with you maybe favored by one and a half.

Really? Yeah, I think so. Did anyone say our offensive line today?

Well, I don't know. You've been power ranked higher all year than Denver, right? Haven't you? How do you think it's one and a half? This guy hasn't thrown a ball in years.

You're saying Bo Nicks is worth six points to the line? Like, he's Patrick Mahomes? That's ridiculous.

If the Wengelen was favorite by one and a half, this would be four to the line.

I don't think we would have been favored by one and a half in Denver. Against Bo Nicks.

Well, who's betting Stidham?

I think that's the question. People have to decide, are we good or are we not good? Because everyone's like, schedule, schedule, schedule, schedule. But then we should be favorite in the ANFC title game. Which is it?

Well, I think you have to decide because you obviously don't think enough of your team. I mean, you have a four-point gift here. You should bet a lot on Denver.

We can't block.

Oh, man. I don't know.

Will Hinnerson almost had seven sacks in that game.

You are. Does FanDuel let us- They have to keep a third tight end next to our left tackle so we could have our quarterback have two seconds in time. 100%, you're betting the Patriots.

We never want to play off game in Denver. I'm not betting this game.

In the Ringer 107, there's no question you're betting the Patriots.

Well, I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that. What am I going to take the Broncos? I'm going to go against my team.

That's what everyone's saying. Oh, what are we going to take the Broncos? This is a teaser. They got to move this to eight. Who knows?

I'm positive you are going to tease the Broncos to 11: 30.

No way. No way. I can't bet bad quarterbacks. I'll bet you're a bad quarterback. That's it.

I got to look at the manifesto and see what's going on. There are a couple of quarterback rules in the manifesto.

Just go to the letter Pass. Understood them.

Bad offensive lines usually don't travel. From what we saw, the Pat's offensive line, it was pretty sketchy. I mean, May in two playoff games, I think got where it stripped from behind as he was throwing five times. Five or four? Four or five? That's not a good sign for us. Denver's got a good defense.

Or at least I thought it before the Buffalo game. I'm looking now. I didn't look at these before, I guess, but some people are saying, so Denver is the first home underdog in a conference Championship Game since... Pats Colts? 2015. No, Denver, New England. 2015.

Oh, Nudel Arm.

2018. What was that? Two and a half, three. And this is the biggest home underdog. Any one seat has in a conference title game since 1970.

All the Sharps are going to take the Broncos. Yeah.

There you go. All right. So I win the week and go within one if I get this or if we talk.

Manning was good in that AFC title game. Even though he was Nudel Arm that whole year, he actually was pretty good in that game, and you heard us. Rams, Seahawks in Seattle. I have the Seahawks favored By three and a half.

Wait a minute. Who gets this? I said one and a half. It is two and a half. So we tie.

Let's see you win the week.

I win the week, and it is now 10 to nine. No, it is now...

I'm still up by 11 to 10. You can tie for the year.

Oh, what a great treat that would be if we tie. Netflix really did the right thing.

I like when we tie because then you're in a better mood.

If we tie, let's go to penalty kicks. And Zoe, we're the two goalies, and Zoe kicks against us. Let's do that.

That'd be great.

Let's do it.

She probably loved that. Zoe could probably hurt either of us. I know.

It's all right. I deserve it.

Seattle, two and a half, huh?

Yeah, I would have thought.

I feel like that should be higher. I haven't been that impressed by the ramps.

You think going into this week, it was lower?

I thought they should have lost today. The players were in midfield in overtime. It felt like that game was done.

What would you have made this line Friday night or whatever?

Probably two and a half.

Two and a half? Yeah. Instead of three and a half. Yeah. Instead of three and a half.

I have a couple of emails from Bills fans. This is from Brian. I'm a lifelong Bills fan. I have two sons. Our 10-year-old is completely bought in. He's watched every game in the past four seasons. I've done everything I can to warn him about how the season will end. After the loss of the Broncos, he went full Brad. I guess that's now a verb for our crazy friend Brad. He went full Brad, was inconsolable, and launched into a fallen asthma attack. 30 minutes of hysterical crying, purple lips, and wheezing. I tried explaining that like the masters, this is a tradition like no other. And the Bill's NFL finding a way to absolutely gut punch us, the most resilient fan base in the NFL. I felt nothing. They've crushed my insides. Do I have an obligation as a father to completely disavow the bills? That's from Brian. It's pretty bleak.

That's for child protective services to figure out, I think, Brian.

Yeah, they're going to be able to get that on their record.

They're knocking at your door. You're lucky, Bill didn't say your last name. That sucks. That sucks, though. We could laugh and everything, but that absolutely sucks.

Unfortunately, your kid inherited the team and he can't switch. He stuck with the team. Nine and 10 are the worst times to have a loss like this. Nine was the twice I've cried from sports, and those were the two times when I was nine.

You know what? You didn't have to worry about, though.

Yours was in 2006 when you were in your mid-30s.

And also, but going to school for you, you all sympathize You're all together. You're all in it together. I was a Cowboys fan in New York. The Mets is a different story. All my friends were Mets fans. More Yankee fans, and they hated the Mets. But yeah, that's an extra hurdle you have to get over.

Yeah, we had the Yankee playoff game, and then we had the too many men on the ice against the Canadians, I think within six months of each other. I think my parents got divorced in the middle of that.

Oh, no. Because of that?

I think I might have had a 30-minute asthma attack.

Give it a minute. Your parents got divorced because there were too many men on the ice? No, it was just a real thing.

I was just taking losses left and right. Shael from Columbia, Maryland, asked, The NFL famously changed the rules on how defensive of backs could cover receivers to get Payton Manning a ring. This is true, by the way. Which rule are they going to change to get Josh Allen over the hump? Could it be that QBs don't count against the cap anymore? They did change the rules for Manning. That was 100% happened.

Yeah.

I don't know what rule they would change.

If your wife has been nominated for an acting award, you start every possession at the 45. I don't I don't know what it is.

There were a couple kickoff spots during these playoffs that I... You down in the end zone, you throw one 15-yard pass in your ever midfield. I can't get used to it. I can't wrap my head around some of the spottings. Where you're like, Wait, we're on the other team's 45 already? What's happening?

This is why I want to get rid of kicking in fantasy.

Colton asks, You've talked a lot about how it could be Josh Allen's year. You forgot to mention how his life is going. He's married to Haley Steinfeld. They have a baby on the way. There you go. He's not hungry enough. One of the main reasons Tom braided was so good, especially in the last few years of his career, is because his personal life was teetering on the edge of collapse. Do you think Allen misses those throws against the Broncos if his personal life was collapsing? I think not.

Wow. Do you think that matters?

I don't know. It's a theory from Colton. It did make me think like, braided met Gisell in the mid 2000s, and we didn't win a Super Bowl for eight years.

Yeah.

And then he started ripping him off near the end, and now she's married to her jiu-jitsu instructor.

braided was hungry, but I think it's because he was dedicated to carrot and ginger soup for nine months.

He was literally just hungry because he was eating almons.

Got to be hungry to be hungry.

Yeah, he was actually hungry. And then Alan asked, he said, I'm a hardcore NBA fan, a casual NFL fan. Is there a modern NBA equivalent to the Buffalo Bills and Josh Allen? A proud but tragic small market team that's never made it the hump. I don't think you can compare any other sport to what happened in the Bills in the '90s.

No way. No.

I don't think... But you could say the Pacers last year, but then seven other horrible things would have had to happen in them.

So they hit six divisional round games in a row without winning a Super Bowl. This Bills team has hit six in a row without getting to the Super Bowl. But yeah, that was absolutely brutal.

And they It was the lottery with the... I mean, you go back at that draft and how it worked out. That was such a weird draft where we were trying to decide who the good quarterbacks were going to be out of it. And there were all those choices, and then they ended up getting the one you had wanted. I was thinking that if Caleb had made the next round, and we would have had Caleb, Drake, and Jaden Daniels all in the conference title game in the first two years of that draft, and they went one, two, three. I don't know if that even has happened in the NBA, where we went one, two, three like that. I don't think it has. We've had top fives where there were three guys, but not like one, two, three, all of the guys were awesome.

Yeah, I think it takes less time for a football team to change their fortune than a lottery pick basketball player, probably.

Yeah, that's true. Do you want to do some parent corner?

Let's do it. I mean, I feel... I mean, that was a parent story. That was real. That's going to be tough to top.

Poor guy. Yeah, that was sad. I mean, he did create the word full Brad.

He doesn't know what he's talking about.

Remind me to send you a video of Brad trying to get himself and somebody else a Mountain Dew soda at Shakey's from two weeks ago.

Himself and someone at our table? Yeah.

It didn't take a short amount of time. I'll just say a spoiler alert.

It's the simple tasks.

It's really-It was an eight-second task that took two minutes.

This is not a parent-quarter thing, but we took him to a Yogurtland a few weeks ago. I took him with the boys, and he had never been to one. And he was screaming at the people behind the counter because he didn't realize you have to do it yourself. You have to put the yogurt in and then you add the toppings. And he didn't think that was right. And he was wondering what they were doing behind the counter that they couldn't do this. Oh, I got to do this? Oh, I got to do this myself? Oh, really? What do I get? What do I get? Like eight bucks an hour? What do you get? I'll take half what you get. What Jesus. Just eat your chocolate swirl. Let's get out of here.

We might have to have him on the Super Bowl Props podcast when we do that two weeks from now. Can we have him on? Is it possible for him to be on a Zoom?

I think so. Yeah. I mean, it's going to take a lot to install a camera in his- I got to talk to Netflix.

I don't know if he's allowed on Netflix.

Yeah, you're right. It's too controversial for Netflix.

What do you have for a parent corner?

All right. Well, my parent corner involves my wife, because she sees me as a child, so it counts. Although I feel like I'm very mature in this situation. She's in a baseball mom's fantasy league, right? So all the moms of Harrison's 12-year-olds right there. She does the draft in September, and I give her a nice grid. I was like, Hey, go running back, wide receiver, running back, wide receiver, maybe wide receiver, running back. I don't care. But for those first four, do that. Just keep doing that and do it through six rounds. She, for some reason, waits until the fifth round take running backs, despite the fact that I gave her a nice grid telling her what to do. And she ends up with James Connor and Dobbins, all this crap for running backs, and they're gone early. So she can never catch up. She has some bad luck. She goes 2: 12, and she blames me. Because I can't dig her out of the hole. She's like, You watch football. You watch every single play. You can't help me here. I'm against mothers. I'm like, Sweetheart, it's all luck. Fantasy is all luck. So as it turns out, there's a punishment for last place.

She was in 2: 12. There's a punishment for last place. So she says the other to me, she's like, Hey, so-and-so is going to come by. She's dropping off the sign for the lawn. I was like, What sign for the lawn? It's a fantasy football sign. It says, I suck at fantasy football, and it has to go on our lawn for a month. I was like, That's not going on our lawn. She's like, Yes, it has to. There's nothing. And the kids are like, No way. No, we're not doing that because then that looks like someone in this house. Then it'll look like I suck at fantasy football. It'll look like my kids are like, They'd rather fail all their classes than have someone think that they'd suck at fantasy football at this. So she's like, well, the alternative was, get this, I'd have to walk up and down the pier with a sign that says, I give great BJ. And I was like, Jesus Christ. What league is this? Even my league is right... What is this?

The Ice Storm League?

What's going on in this league?

I give great B-Js?

I would have tried harder if I knew this was what's that state. But then I'm thinking, All right, she carries that sign. That makes me look better, at least. But I get why she doesn't want to do it. But we're fighting about this. So we have to put this sign in our yard. And I was like, you got to- She lost.

You got to do it.

You got to put your face on it. I was like, people have to know. She's like, no, I don't want people knowing my family. I'm like, why? You walk the dog. People see you out every day. It doesn't matter. It's like, no, I'm not. So now what do you think we should do here? The kids, we're all fighting about this.

So it should say the sign should be, I'm Melissa and I suck at fantasy football, something like that.

Yeah, but it's already here. It just says, I should make a new sign. I should just change it.

Or put her face on it. Put a picture of her face on it.

Yeah. Do you have a picture of her from the other night? I don't have pictures of her.

I like this. I think it should go on your front line. I think it could apply to the whole family. How many league did you win this year?

I love that. I like telling her, I'm like, Oh, sweetheart, it's all luck. And then I'm like, We're not putting that on the thing. If it's all luck, I shouldn't have a problem with it, My parent corner is...

My son is in college, or he's in high school, but got into college. It's one of those things where you still have the second semester, and you still got to put in the work, but he's already in. And it struck me that this is all the times when we have kids, when they're younger, and you have to lie to them about the repercussions of things. And it piques with Elf on the Shelf, which when we started doing Parent Corner, we talked a lot about Elf on the shelf and how ridiculous it is that these elves, we move them around every day. And if the kid doesn't obey, if that elf gets mad, they might not get Christmas presents, and they're stupid enough to believe this. I feel like this is the last stage of elf on the shelf. It's like, if your grades go down, they might rescind your application and you're not in there. But meanwhile, you could probably Google I don't know if that's true, but this threatening your kid with something that deep down they probably know isn't that true. So now I'm just guilt-tripping. You got to finish strong. You became such a good student.

You got to finish this now. You got one semester left. Do this for pride. The point is, lying to our kids doesn't work anymore. I think they just have completely figured this out by age 18, right? Yeah.

Well, it certainly doesn't work now that you're telling the story. If someone tells them- Well, because he knows.

Oh, he does.

Yeah.

He already read me. Yeah, that's a good point. We're going back to past with our kids, and they know exactly what offense we're in and where the receivers are going. I don't think we can slip anything by them. But I wonder what age that is when that ends. Yeah, that's a good point. It's like 15, 16?

I think that's it. The only thing you could do is you could have a story attached to it. Like, look, for the most part, this doesn't matter. But my friend Joe House, he was in.

His son.

No, him. He was in Notre Dame. He in and whatever. He was in.

He was going to Harvard. He was in Harvard law and they saw his grades and pulled it.

Yeah, he got rowdy at a bar and something happened. That's good. I should have said that. Then he had to be out two weeks. Yeah, I'll try that, see if it works.

I should have said that. Well, one thing is I know he's probably not watching. Not watching this. That's it for Parent Corner. Anything else we got to hit before we go?

I want to hit a couple of things here. First of all, most of our beginning of the year in August, we did our futures bets, right? Yeah. Want the good news or the bad news.

Well, we did over-unders, which was disappointing. Right. And then we had a futures draft above our futures. Yes.

I'll tell you what, the good news is we hit 12 bets, six each. The bad news is we gave out 53.

But some of those were high-end. Okay. Yeah. So your best- Wasn't one of mine? I had a Denver to make the Super Bowl. I have some ones that have pretty big odds. You did better than I did.

And we still You have three left. You have Rable for Coach of the Year, which is going to win. That's about seven to one. I have Sal for Assistant Coach of the Year, and I have Penny Sewell for Protector of the Year, which I haven't seen an update since August on that. But anyway, your best was Seattle plus 500 to win the division. Good job by you. New Orleans, Cleveland for last place, plus 158, and Denver or Green Bay, number one seed, plus 550. Those were your best.

Well, the thing is, we throw a bunch of these out. We try to hit 10 because they have the big odds. Right. But I think my issue was I tied Casey to all these- Casey killed us. Casey just murdered us.

What happened? Dumb ass team. Nowhere close to place. The other thing is, I listened to your Friday show and Schrager mentioned the Bill Simmons re-apex, which is great. I mean, he just... He loves to kiss your ass. My God, Schrager. I love Schrager, but could you give it a rest? You got the Friday spot locked up. You're going to be fine. I love you, Schrager. But anyway, the example he used, and I'll admit it's a great scenario, was it an email or just a scenario we came up with? How does it go? If there's an OJ type Bronco Chase in 2026, who's the most compelling current or former athlete?

So who would be the 2026 equivalent to O. J. Simpson if that happened now? And you had to have the surprise factor, the likability of the celebrity, and the fame.

That everybody is in. Now, Now everybody.

Everybody's like, Oh, my God, I can't believe this. Yeah.

Pete Mange is not in the top 20. Why is he number one? Who do you have? First of all, if it's the same scenario as Travis Kelsey, because that means he would have killed his wife, Taylor Swift, of course, that's got to be the answer. That's right. You can't think of that. Yeah.

Josh Allen. That's true. He would have killed the... Yeah, anybody who's married a celebrity, it's a bigger deal. That's a pretty good point.

Even Josh Allen.

But that's not equal then. That's a higher thing. Oj was married to a celebrity, so it has to be...

Oh, it's got to be equal?

I'm saying.

I think Shohe O'Tani would be big. You'd be like, Oh, that guy was gambling. He's running from his butt. He had to kill somebody like that. That's pretty good. Lebron, Caitlin Clarke, Steph Curry, he wouldn't know his wife, right?

But it has to be a retired athlete, though. It had to be retired? Yeah, because O'Jay was retired. You're trying to fit the box of former athlete, moved into a second phase of his career. Everybody liked him, did commercials, dabbled in TV stuff and movie stuff.

All right, so Travis, Kelsi, next year.

The other one, there was a couple of emails, actually, people pushing Michael Strahan, saying that that's actually the closest because OJ went into TV after trying to cross over, was on the Regis & Kelly show and is on the ABC show. So means something to the female audience, like OJ was in the Hertz commercials. So Strayhand was interesting, but I don't think Strahans is like as OJ was.

Well, braided then for sure would be up there. How about this one? Because we know the wife, Triple H. Triple H would be good.

I don't know. I think a wrestler, everybody's like, they're 20% not surprised.

They know the Mcmans. Al Michiels would be ironic. That would be fun since he called the original. Al Michiels. Yeah.

Al Michiels on the run from Toscanos after he just put down a veal chop.

That'd be good.

Riding through Brentwood, the same streets.

He's crazy. This is what happens when you don't eat vegetables. You lose your mind.

That's a good one. The more I thought about it, I think Serena might have been the answer.

Yeah, that's a good one, too.

Because it switches over. Everybody loves Serena. Nobody ever in a million years would have thought anything would happen with her. That's good. I think the shock value, I think my wife would care the most versus Michael Strahan, people like that. That's a good call. But Manning This fits the OJ profile of almost in some ways feels as big as he did when he played from all the stuff he's up to.

Right. I knew we were missing one. I wrote down Bowen Yang, but I don't know if that's the thing.

He wasn't athlete yet.

I'm a force of Bowen Yang joke in every Netflix podcast.

By the way, I watched the Kill Tony show on Netflix. Yeah, I haven't got to. That guy, Cam Patterson, came in and just absolutely crushed. He loved it. On there. Yeah, I like Kill Tony show. It's like gong show crossed with Don Barris's ding-ding show, crossed with a Jeff Ross-Ross. I don't know. It's all over the place. I like that show. All right. There you go. Anything to plug? That's it.

All week, I'm on with Tate, the Bundo house, Hi, Fits, great group of fellows. We do it over again Sunday morning on the pregame show. You know what? I'm going to give 10 people $50. I got to change my mojo. If you had a bad beat, hit me up at the Cousin Sal on Twitter. Or show me a copy of your ticket stuff, whatever. I'll give 50 to 10. First 10, I see. Had to be a bad beat in the Buffalo game or this other stupid one we just watched.

Well, we almost had the Rams with the overtime cover. Felt like it was in play on those last few throws. He went for it. Yeah. It's almost like he had him. All right, so two rewatchables coming this week. Double rewatchables. We have just one of the guys on Monday, and then I'll tell people what the Wednesday movie is on the Monday We have that. We're going to be on Netflix all week on this pod. Rewatchable starts next week on Netflix as well. And because I will see you in a week or big debate about whether my dad's going to come out for this Pats Denver game or not. Oh, really?

What's the debate? He's got to do it.

Talking about making the fight. Yeah, we've watched a lot of these. You never know after we had that last Pats Chief's one in 2018, which I think we watched together. Now that we're back, I think he might come out for this one. So I don't know if that's going to help my luck or not. I could have him as I'm doing the pot. I could just have him sitting in the seat behind me, just probably in a coma from the game. You know what?

You should say to him, Dad, remember senior year, you told me I have to give it my best second half You were full of shit, right?

Yeah, you lied, didn't you, dad?

Look at us now.

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