Transcript of "Jeremy Allen White"

Hi. Good morning. Good morning, everybody.

Good morning to you. Good afternoon. What a wonderful day.

Or a good evening for maybe some of our listeners. It could be an evening listen.

I'm just saying depending on where you are, good that time of day.

Do you think most people listen this show during the day or during the night?

You know what? That's a really great question. We'll get to it right after this all new episode of Smartest. God. Smart.

Smart.

I will say in the blind right now, my wife said to say to the guest that she loves them.

I don't know who this is, but just know half of my house loves you already.

Oh, that's nice.

Yeah, because Will talks to my wife more than I do, and that's something we should get into.

Hi, Willy.

Let's go there now.

Let's go there now. Will, why do you talk to my wife so often? You talk to her as if... I don't want to say something's crass. Is there something going on? But let's put this way. I'm married to her and I live with her, and I talk to her X amount. You talk to her X plus amount. Where does that put your relationship?

Well, let me just say this. Is there something going Don't ask me point blank.

Should I ask you in a nuanced way?

I'm just saying, Don't ask me point blank.

Because you don't like to lie to me.

I don't like lying.

Okay. If you were to cheat on one of your friend's wives, would I be in the running?

Or her husband?

Yeah, you have been in the running. Sorry. You were. Wait. Sorry. This is an hypothetical.

What about Amanda?

You are the running.

Well, I thank you, Mr. Burke.

It's a compliment to you that I love your wife. No, I do love your wife so much. I love her. She and I have a special... She and Sean have a special relationship as well.

Are you talking to us from a gorgeous new place in New York?

Not new. No, I'm just in that same place.

The rental?

Yes, sir.

But did you not just get another new...

Maybe, yeah. I maybe did. Maybe I did.

You might actually-I want to stay there.

Can we stay there when we come visit?

But not yet. You have a place here.

Oh, that's right.

It's uptown, though. I'm sorry. Should we take a break?

Yeah, Sean, we'll just give you a minute?

Are you still on lunch? We're not back yet.

Snickerdoodle.

Fuck, man. It's not. It's just 11: 30 AM.

I know. I have a late lunch, so I just had a chicken wrap and a Snickerdoodle and a glass of milk.

Wait, but you just said you have a late lunch coming up.

Yeah, coming up. It's 11: 30.

Why are you eating lunch food and tonight's dessert now?

Let me just ask you quickly, this is tining you over at 11: 30 to what time's your lunch?

Two o'clock.

Oh, my God.

That's a long time. You're going to eat dinner at 2: 30?

It's like, I'm going to be a weird thing because then who wants to eat at 5: 00 or 6: 00 when I normally eat?

Are you power lifting these days? Are you into power lifting? What's happening?

You got a big contest coming up. I got a ball cut.

I would love it. If you just stood up and your legs, your glutes and everything were just popping.

I think I recognize that Snickerdoodle from the country mart. No. Because I had one this weekend.

Oh, yeah. No, they're pretty big.

I do like Snickerdoodle.

They're really good.

They're like, What's your current favorite cookie, Willy?

It's always, always. It's current and always chocolate chip cookie. Always in search of the best chocolate chip cookie. It's my thing.

You know what I like? I like a nice peanut butter cookie because they're usually soft and goo in the middle.

They're often too dry for me.

You remember we were on the set of Is this thing on? Coming out or it's already out, I think.

That's a movie.

That's a movie. That's a movie there, folks. The Craft Service lady made fresh chocolate chipcakes. Remember those, Will? Will was like, I know. I couldn't believe it. You're like, Boy, that smells really good.

Sounds like someone on the set was honoring the fact that it was an on-camera job, Sean.

Not me. I ate five of them.

You still eat like you're doing a podcast?

That's right.

Eat like you're doing a podcast.

That's really good.

Hey, kudos to us on the podcast. We got a nice recognition today.

We just found out today, yeah, we got a little Golden Globe.

I We did. I want to say a lot of it has to do with our friends Michael Terry and Bennett Barber cow and Rob Armjard. Armjard, yes.

These are the winds beneath our wings.

Yeah. That's why I'm happy. I'm happy for those dudes because of how hard they work and we love them so much. Thank you, guys. We love you. We don't need to hear from you. We love you.

Who turns your mic on? You know what Bennett and Robin Michael would like? They would like probably for the three of us to show up to set a word show in the event we're lucky enough to win, they'd probably like us to get up there and give a nice speech and not be stuck in New York at a play or stuck in Long Island petting a dog or something like that.

I would love to, but I'm not going to be. Yeah, I can't. I love to. But Robin Bennett and Michael should go in our stead. That's what I think.

No, you're both coming. Wait till Amanda gets a hold of you both.

I know, by the way, she already did.

Yeah. Yeah.

Willy, maybe we fly back together just for the night.

Yeah, there you go.

Well, we'll talk about it. All right. Guys, the one thing I do want to mention before we go, I want to say that we want to let you know about a new Smartless Media show that is celebrating the world's dumbest criminals, right?

You want to let the audience know. You don't want to let... Sean and I are well aware. This is a great little child of Smartless Media. A little baby called Crimeless. It's called Crimeless. It's hosted by journalist Josh Dean and comedian Rory Scoville.

What do they do? What do they do?

What do you mean? Every week, Josh tells Rory a story or two or three about some ridiculous stranger than fiction crime, starring some of the most hilarious ding-dongs that you guys could possibly imagine. I want you to think of Coen Brothers' films, but it's real.

Yeah, Crimeless. It's It's like dumb dums. It's like dumb dums making crime.

It's talking like stage death and what? Like pretend hitmen or fake drugs?

Yeah, right. Like insurance scams, but done by idiots. People that don't know how to pull it off.

Okay, so we got new episodes of this, and we're When are they coming out? People were like, I want to get in. When does it come?

Every Wednesday. When would you want to hear it? You'd want to hear it on a Hump day, right? You'd want to get you through the week.

To get you through the week. Wednesday. Wednesday, perfect on a Hump Day. Hump Day is crimeless day.

Yeah. All right. Wherever you get your podcast, crimeless.

Okay.

Hey, Will, are you feeling good about your guest?

I'm feeling really good. In fact, I want to say, speaking of which, our guest is a Golden Globe nominee, Freshly Minted. I think he has a couple. Oh, shit. Yeah, that's right. Guys, we have somebody who is O'Kourant, as they say. He's a very... He is an award-winning, celebrated actor. Who says O'Kurant? I do. And my mom. French people. You know him as... A lot of people know as Carmy from his acclaimed FX series. Wait a second. Okay. He's earned him an Emmy, a Golden Globe, Saggard for best actor. He was just nominated for Golden Globe for Deliver Me From Nowhere. You guys, it is Mr. Jeremy Allen. This is a guy. All right.

I will second my wife's love for you now that I see you.

Everybody's love for you.

My deep, deep love. And not only that, not only that, Jeremy, before you start, welcome. He was also my surprise guest for our Rained Out Hollywood Bowl.

I just found that out. I just found that out, too. This is not as good as loving up on you on the Hollywood Bowl stage, but we'll take it.

We'll take it for sure. It's okay. I'm so happy to see you guys. I was just texting Amanda as you guys spoke about her. Oh, what? I'm here with you guys.

Everybody's sleeping with Amanda.

Jason, let me say, and I mean this in the most platonic- Sean, if she turns you, that's going to be it. Jason, I mean this in the most A friendly way. A friendly, friendly way. I mean this in a non, but your wife really gets around to texting people. To text people.

Let me finish.

God, is what I said to her. Listen.

She's a lover. She's a real lover. She's a lover. We love her.

Jeremy, welcome. Jeremy Allen-White. Welcome to this one.

This is so nice. It's so nice to meet you.

I'm really happy to be here. So happy to meet you.

Yeah. I'm going with these guys a little bit.

You guys have never met. Yeah, congrats on the nomination. Sean, you and Jerry Allen-White I've never met.

Never met, but I'm a big fan.

I'm a big fan.

Where do you meet him, you'll be in love. I'm serious.

I thought the eating thing. Also, I listen to the show a lot. I'm a subscriber, all of it. I thought the eating thing was A bit?

A bit. It's all a bit.

No, a lot of the time-When you brought out that cookie, I couldn't believe it.

Show him the milk, too. I bet you got milk right there. I got milk.

Okay, here's the milk. But, Jeremy, here's the one thing. First of all, Sean, enough How does the foley work? Do you need to keep it in your sleeve?

Take it out of the fucking bag.

You're already... You're at home.

No, I'm keeping it fresh. I'm keeping it fresh.

What do you mean fresh? In a paper bag? It's a wax paper that's open on one end. How is that keeping it fresh from six minutes that you're taking to eat it?

Can you grab a hat? What's going on with your hair?

I know, I'm sorry.

You're going to catch on fire in a second. I'm going to buy you some product for Christmas.

We're going to get Jan to send some Lola V over. She should have an emergency I'll call her on SmartList Mobile to get me some low living. Smart.

Very smart.

Anyway, Jeremy, where are you today?

Jeremy, welcome. Where did we find you?

I'm in Los Angeles. I just got back the other day. I was in Vancouver for a little while, and I'm in this- Are you in an office in your house? Yeah, I try to make it an office, but it just becomes storage.

How do you feel about that AC unit that's sticking out of the wall? I mean, they work, right?

No, I'm wearing the hat right now. My house is falling apart. Nothing really works here. I got that put in recently. It doesn't work, so it's pretty chilly in here. But this is a separate room, not a guest house. There's nothing in here other than what you guys can see.

The acoustics are good.

Yeah, the acoustics are great.

Can you give us a song? I think Robin Bennett are laughing right now.

No.

Hey, is that a chef's apron behind your left shoulder?

Yeah, I've got the chef's apron. It's like a collection of little stolen things.

Everybody needs a spot. Yeah.

And, Jeremy, you can tell us those stories into the mic. That would be great.

Oh, my gosh. I like gesturing. Can you guys hear me?

Now we can.

Okay, good.

Jeremy, I want to get... I finally want to put the Amanda issue to bed again. But Amanda, when I knew that you were coming on to our live show, Amanda Amanda Anca was so excited because she had explained to me that you and Jason are newish friends in the last few months.

That's sweet. We got set up.

Yeah. Oh, that's nice. We've seen each other a couple of times now. A couple of times?

Cool. It's very exciting.

J. B, cool it.

You're doing great today, Jeremy.

I feel the same. I feel the same way.

That's really exciting. Tell me how this new found... I love new male friendships and how they start. Baby, you go. How did this start, Jeremy? I want to hear Jeremy's tale. Baby.

Well, It was Jamie, who I think is friends with everybody. Jamie Ms. Rahi. Jamie Ms. Rahi. I love her. She set us up a great connector. Yeah, she set us up. We went to see some movies over at the house first. We had a group hang first to make sure that everything felt-It wasn't awkward. Felt right and it wasn't uncomfortable. But then we went to a Dodgers game, which was really, really funny.

That's what always happens. Just the two of us. Always happens there.

It was like an hour long ride in the car.

That's how it gets them. The first one's free.

Yeah. Then you sit next to me for a few hours. I've got the radio in one ear, so it's still not super pressured.

Yeah, it's true.

Also, you don't have to fully connect with the person, so you don't have to be too vulnerable.

You've got something going on. Yeah, exactly.

Did you get to sit on the side of the ear that had the thing in it or not? No.

No, no, no. He's always... How dare you, Sean? He's on the-No, on the open ear.

I've had both. I've had both happen to me.

You've had both. Sean went to the playoff, the longest baseball game in playoff history. Oh, yeah.

Will got a World Series game. That's really exciting. I mean, yeah, I was thinking about you a lot during... Oh, last year.

I went last year to the World Series, but Sean went this year.

It was great.

I loved it, even though it was 18 innings.

A little more enthusiasm next delivery.

I really did love it. I love going.

He got thrown in the deep end, though, there with that 18-inning game. I learned a lot.

Yeah, I don't know a lot about baseball.

So, Jeremy, you must have learned a lot from hanging out with an older dude Yeah. Because I know that he's always looking to, we call him Dracula, because he's always looking to suck the young blood. He said he's always... He's like, I need...

I worked on my outfit for a couple of days.

I need to get me some youth. I need to get an injection of youth.

I went for a looser cut on my jean that day.

I don't know if I'm good for that. Yeah, I'm not sure. Did you get anything?

I did. I picked up on a couple of things. I don't really want to reveal it here, but maybe on our next day, You'll see some improvements.

But did you find JB saying a lot of stuff like, That sounds pretty dope, dude.

I think I called a couple of-That's fire.

That's so fire.

A couple of things were sus. Jeremy definitely had a lot of Riz that day.

Wait, Jeremy, so I don't know anything about you. Where did you grow up?

I grew up in Brooklyn, New York.

See, now, because of the show, I think Chicago. Chicago. I think that's real. No, not I thought the show was real, but I thought that you had a connection to Chicago.

No, no. That makes sense. I did a show before The Bear, also set in Chicago. I've been on a Chicago set show, really my whole adult life, 18 to 45. That's what got him. I understand.

You don't shoot the show in Chicago.

Sean's always wondering what Tom Selleck felt about growing up in Hawaii.

We shoot all of the bear in Chicago, yes.

Tom, you serve?

Oh, just help me.

We got to get Tom on the show.

We got to get Tom Selleck and dispel that. But you got the Detroit Tiger's hat. Was one of your parents from Detroit?

So, Jeremy, did you eat the food in Chicago?

Where are your parents from?

Jeremy, all your time in Chicago, did anybody ever bring up Glen Ellen?

No.

Not once. Let me ask you this. Did you eat Portillo's?

Yes, I love Portillo's.

Isn't it That's great. Portillo's is great. Will, if you could just back the gum off the mic.

Yes. The chocolate shake is huge. The chocolate shake is delicious. Yeah, it's incredible.

From Portillo's. Sean was waxing on about it before we went to Chicago. We're like, Okay, and then that chocolate shake arrived, and I was like, This is a real cake.

It's a cake shake.

It's great.

By the way, Jason mentioned the cake shake, Portillo's cake shake in Ozark, and he didn't remember that.

No, I don't remember that either.

That's wild. Well, he was in a blackout at the time. Do you want to address these rumors?

Okay, so wait. Go ahead.

All right.

Sean, you were happy. They put the cake in a shake. Have you ever asked them to do it in an IV? That would really just get it straight to the bloodstream.

So, Jeremy, we're in Brooklyn. We're in Brooklyn. We're just learning how to read and write. We're watching cartoons.

Your parents were in the theater when you were a kid. Is that true?

That's true. You read that correctly? Absolutely.

They say to you, just as you're learning how to read and write, Hey, here Why don't you read this play? Or, Yes, you're right. Did it start that early? How did you get started?

No, they weren't particularly pushy with all that. When I was a kid, I had a lot of energy, and I think they just wanted to get rid of the energy. So I played sports, and that wasn't enough. And I did dance, which was my first getting on stage and performing thing. Dance? Yeah. So I did ballet. Oh, that's great. Ballet, tap, and jazz for a long time in New York.

That's great. Can you still do it?

I can look like I can do. I mean, tap was my favorite, and I can shuffle a little bit. But no, it's been a long time.

But when you're at a party and there's a dance floor, to me, it looks like a quicksand pit. Like, watch out, don't get anywhere near it. I've got an allergy to it. Are you thinking like, okay, all right, there's my plan for a little bit later on. Are you excited to dance?

There was There was a time, in my mid-20s, I had in LA and New York, a dance spot for almost every night of the week. Oh my God.

No way. No way. Yeah.

Not like ballroom dancing, but there was a Dance Yourself Clean night. There was a spot in Chinatown that was an '80s night.

There's a level of confidence to your dancing that it actually is to something that you look forward to. It's a little bit of a flex. I I don't want to put you on the spot, but words in your mouth, but it's not something you avoid. Let's put it that way.

It's not something I avoid. I like to dance. God, I wish that was like you.

Yeah, I'll say it. Hollywood is going to go nuts for you because you're straight and you can dance. They're going to put you in so many-Yeah, wait till Hollywood gets a notice of you.

They're going to do great.

No, I meant-Get on out here. No, I meant, what's that Ryan Gostling movie?

Oh, La La Land. Yeah, La La Land. Yeah.

Jeremy, now-You're going to do one of those. Let's say it's a Tuesday night and you know of a place in New York, you're like, All right, I'm going to go out. There's a '70s dance thing, and you've got your new buddy, JB, and it's late for him because it's nine o'clock, and he's a little nervous about how late it is.

He wants to go to the disco.

Could you teach him how to dance, do you think?

Please. Yeah, I mean, there was a place, Sway in New York, they had the Smiths Night, and I think you could do that, right?

I love that.

Can you dance Smith?

Yeah, it's like Smith's Cure. You could figure it out. Wait, how old are you?

Jason, you shut your mouth, how can you say, I go about things the wrong way?

I can just rock and sway as opposed to boogie. I'm not that much... But you've got boogie moves, yeah?

I mean, I feel like the more we talk about it, someone's really going to try to get me done. You got boogie move.

I was looking for something to put on that hat.

I can dance, yes. I've got some rhythm. I can dance. I can dance, yeah.

Man, I'm very jealous.

I'm sure you could do it, Jason. Yes.

That's the question. You're singing and dancing as a kid, which you've continued into adulthood. Then what happened? Did you start doing theater?

Yeah. I joined a a new school in middle school in seventh grade. I joined the dance program naturally because I'd been doing that for a while. But I didn't find the class took dance seriously enough. Oh, boy. I didn't feel the teacher took it seriously enough. Wow. I switched to the drama program.

Did you have leg warmers on at the time you were in this level of disdain?

Yeah, I was stretching. I had the warmers on. I did the whole thing and I just did think they were taking it. Your sweatshirt was down off my shoulder.

It was a big boat in that collar.

My belly was showing. You were like, these fucking people. I just didn't think they took it seriously. Truly, though, it sounds ridiculous, but at the time, I was like, this doesn't feel… It's like they're not taken seriously enough. I found a drama teacher at this school, John McEnany, who who took things so seriously. Some of my best friends were in this school already in this class. My first time acting was in a little black box at this school in Brooklyn, this middle school in Park Slope. I remember getting on that stage for the first time and really feeling a sense of, I don't know, focus or presence or something that I hadn't been able to find, a real ease.

Did you feel anything from the audience? Was it a comedy? Did you get a laugh or with drama, did you feel that you'd move them?

No. Funnily enough, it was like an exercise where we had to have two actors where a monolog was being performed, but there were two actors on stage, and I was the actor not speaking. Dreaming. It was a good job. Yeah. But it was amazing to feel like if you could feel focused on the person across from you and really be listening. I felt a tension on me, even in silence, just focusing on somebody else. I felt like, I don't know, my mind wasn't racing. There is something, and still that's why I like acting so much. I find I'm so ahead of myself a lot of the time or anxious. Then when I'm on set or performing, there's a real simplicity or focus or something happens that's really nice.

That's a really interesting way to put it.

Yeah. Do you have a little bit of ADD or something like that? For sure. Yeah, same. Then when I'm doing this, I'm working on this play right now, and it's a monolog, it's 40 pages. I find that when I have the one thing like you're saying, to focus on, it actually calms my brain a little bit.

Everything else gets quiet. There's something really nice about that.

It's so interesting.

You would describe yourself, Sean, as having a little bit of ADD?

Did you say 40 pages?

It's a one-man show. It's another way to put a one-man show. He's learning a-Wow.

I can't believe they're bringing Puppetry of the Penis back. That's so exciting.

Where is the show?

At Studio Seaview, which is John Kuzinski just did his show there last summer. Cool.

Which was great.

When does it go up?

January 31st, it opens.

I can't make that. That's exciting.

I know.

I think that's preview start January 31st. Anyway, but I know what you mean about it You being able to focus. It gives you something to focus on that you can put all your energy towards as opposed to...

It's just a calming feeling. Feeling very scattered. That's where my brain works. I feel very scattered. Same.

We will be right back Now, back to the show.

You find this thing and you're like, I'm locked in. I feel locked. This is something that I respond to and I like. Then you start auditioning for professional roles. What happens?

Yeah, this teacher who was so serious. I mean, he had us doing... We did Macbeth and Twelfth Night as 12-year-olds, back to back. He was just so serious as a teacher.

That's crazy.

Keep in life for the kids.

How does a 12-year-old learn Shakespeare?

He would wake up, he lived near the school, and he would come to school with nosebleeds when we were doing dress for... He was so in it and focused.

He was in something.

He cared very much about it. He would send me out on... He would go to backstage, which is where you could do open casting calls. I got my first couple of jobs, yeah, going on the open casting.

He flew backstage? Oh, that's great. No way. That's so rad. What was the first one? Do you remember?

I did this off- Broadway play called The Present, and that was my first job. I think we got paid. I hope we got paid. But yeah, that was my first job. It was on the Upper West Side.

And you were in middle school?

I was in middle school. Wow. And then I think I got a commercial, maybe. And then my first movie, they came to do an open casting call at the school. And a great casting director, Cindy Tolan, was casting that film. And she told me, we don't know if this movie is ever going to come together. It'll take a long time. It was a very small budget film. But she said, you're good at this and you should really audition more. And so she wrote me a really great letter to take around to agents and stuff. So I ended up getting an agent. That's great. That's great. Yeah. Thank Cindy Toland.

Now, was singing ever a part of this? I forgot. No. It was not.

No, no. Just dance. Yeah.

Then musical theater was never really a draw or a temptation. But how about now? Now that you've taught yourself how to sing. I mean, your performance is so mind-blowing in the Springsteen thing. I don't want to embarrass you. We don't have to talk about it because I'm sure you're tired of talking about it. But it's just effing incredible. The fact that you learned how to sing in someone else's voice on top of that and learned how to play guitar, I think, too. You had to learn how to play guitar for this role. To take on that.

Yeah, at least look like I could handle it. Yeah. Wow.

Incredible.

Huge, huge nards taking that on and doing such a great job.

Jason was going on and on about how... I'm so sorry, I haven't seen it yet, but it's on my list, I swear. But Jason was just raving about your performance and as is everybody else. He's incredible. I can't wait to see it.

Now that you've got the singing and the dancing, I don't know if you need the guitar part for a musical theater, but do you think about doing a musical on Broadway or something?

That's what I'm saying, like a la la la.

I don't know.

I have no issue and I've enjoyed musical theater, seeing it, but it's never been... In high school, I went to a performing arts school and I would do theater, but it was usually straight plays and stuff. Yeah, I don't know. I've never had that draw to be in it. I've I've been a fan of it.

You wouldn't run if somebody brought you something. Let's say the new Hamilton thing.

Or like as Sean would mention for 50 times, La La Land.

La La Land.

Jesus Christ.

Why'd you marry that movie?

La La Land 2, I would definitely be interested in doing.

How about the Christmas sequel, Fa La La Land? Fa La Land.

J. B, that's really good. Thanks, guys.

That is nice.

Wait, so do you play an instrument now? Do you play anything, piano or anything else?

No, I never really learned how to play anything. I remember I had about six months to learn guitar, which isn't enough time, really, to learn how to play the guitar. But I got together with a really great teacher, and we just learned the couple songs that I needed to learn. But it makes it very hard for me to learn or to play other things now because I didn't learn in a traditional way. Even if I try to learn something else, I end up playing Manchin on a Hill or something. It doesn't translate.

You still have calluses on the tips of your fingers or have those gone away?

Yeah, they're still a little rough. Really? Because it hurts, right? I still pick up... I mean, Bruce Springsteen, he was so involved in the process of making the movie and really lovely and supportive all the way through.

Yeah, you seem to really love it.

Yeah, he's seen it a lot. But he bought me a 1955 Gibson J 200, which is the same model and almost year, he recorded it on 1954. But after our first meeting, he sent me this guitar, which is a very beautiful guitar. I do pick it up every once in a while just because I feel guilty letting it sit and collect dust.

That's so cool. Is it there in the office in your room?

You know what? As I said, my house is falling apart. When that rain was happening, I was nervous that there would be some moisture in here. It's actually under my bed at this moment. Where it's really That's smart.

I bought a Christmas tree here yesterday in New York, and I dragged it back to my place where we decorated yesterday.

Did somebody film it?

I thought, yeah, obviously, I film everything. I thought about if I ever wanted to, I'd have a Christmas tree stand down on Spring Street, just this season, and I'd call it Spruce of Spring Street.

You know what I mean? Nice. Bravo. That was worth it. That was worth it. Wait, so We'll tighten it up. So, Jeremy, what was the first thing then after all that theater experience that got you out to the West Coast?

I got a job. I was very lucky. Right out of high school, I got a job on a TV show called Shameless.

Oh, yes, of course. Of course, you were on that. Yeah, fantastic.

You were on for a decade. Am I right about that?

More. Man, I was 18 when we did the pilot, and I was 30 when we finished it. Wow. That takes you through a lot.

So That was the first gig or the first big gig? I did, yeah.

I did some film in every law and order and stuff like that when I was in New York. But yeah, Shameless brought me to Los Angeles and kept me in Los Angeles.

Yeah, that's so cool.

That's so cool. That's incredible. 18 to 30.

Yeah, it just doesn't happen.

Right. You're inside that cocoon, that comfortable cocoon of a series through your whole launch. You got great notices through and you're meeting everybody and you're getting other opportunities during the hiatuses in between each season a little bit?

Yeah, I try to do something. Each hiatus, we shot about five months. If I was lucky, I'd get a movie or I did another Amazon series one time. But yeah, I didn't have to. I was so happy and felt so lucky to have that, I don't know, that consistency and continuity in my life, especially in my 20s, especially as an actor, to just have some place. You knew where you were going to be for four months every year, five months every year.

Did you have time to also have a life? I mean, that takes you all the way through your 20s. That's a time when you really want to have fun. Did you find time to do all that stuff, too?

Yeah, definitely found time for all that stuff. Yeah, I mean, I bounced around. We shot the show here, and I got a place back home in New York when I was 22. I'd split my time between LA and New York. Then, yeah, by the time we finished the show, I had my two daughters. A lot of life happened. Wow, you have two kids. I had Eze and Dali. Yeah, two daughters. Wow. How old are they? Dali turns five on Friday, and Eze turns seven in October.

You still look like your son, though, which is crazy.

I know.

How old were we? I was Yeah, it went as he was born. Yeah. Wow.

In that time, did you ever cross-up? I think he wrote on your show, Mike O'Malley. Didn't he write on your show?

Oh, my gosh, of course. Yeah.

Yeah, he's a good friend of all of ours.

Yeah, he's the best, man.

Mike was a writer on Seamus?

He was on Glee at the same time, too, which was such a huge show. I was like, Oh, wow, you're such a big actor and you're writing on our show.

Mike's had a really cool career.

A really cool career.

Mike's had a really cool career so far. Yeah, I love that guy. Has he done acting, stand-up, writing, producing? He's done it all.

He's such a talented guy, such a talented writer. He's such a great old, old friend of mine and ours. He's not that old, Will. No. He's just the best. We love you, Mike. Anyway-he's a sweetheart. He is a sweetheart. That takes you through to your 30. All of a sudden, so now you're 30, and it's weird coming off a show when you've been on it for a long time, right?

That's a weird- Absolutely. Yeah. Did you think like, okay, it's all going to be downhill from here?

One hundred %. I felt totally... I mean, you know- Leave the cocoon. Yeah, I remember. I mean, I really did. We did ADR for the last for whatever, the last episode of the 11th season of Shameless. It was at Warner Brothers.

Tracy, that's where you re-record some dialog. If it wasn't recorded well on the day, it's a finishing. There you go. There you go.

It means the your last connection often with the thing. I finished that and I was driving home from Warner Brothers and had a full panic. I had to pull over. My arms went... I was so... Wow, really? Yeah. I mean, it had just been such a comfort. I was with those actors for 11 years. And I mean, they're like my family, brothers and sisters. I got so close with everybody. I felt like I was saying goodbye to not my work environment and that comfort and security, but also saying goodbye to these people who have been so solid for me for so long. I just didn't know what was next. I had a very hard time.

How did you... What was the thing that was most helpful that got you to... Because I know that panic well. Yeah. What do you... Did you lean on a friend? Did you go on to therapy? I'm just cite all the things that I did. Friends, therapy, I partied. I like just everything.

What? I certainly, yeah, was in therapy and was talking about her a lot. But I was also very lucky. I mean, there's so much luck involved in all of this thing. But I spoke to Chris Stohr, who created The Bear. He produced this movie I did, The Rental, after season nine of Shameless. He Chris. I didn't see him on set a lot. He was back and forth, but he comes up to me on the last day, and Chris goes, Hey, what do you think you're going to be doing in three years? I went, I don't really know. I think I got a couple more years of Shameless. He goes, All right, buddy, I'm going to call you in three years. And he walked away, and I was like, What a fucking jerk. What a Hollywood jerk. There's no way I'm ever going to hear from that guy ever again. He called me just as we were wrapping up Season 11 and said, I have to show The Bear. No way. I'd really like you to do it. But I was hesitant at first because I love Chicago, but based in Chicago again. There was some family dynamics that seemed similar upon first read to me.

I just wasn't sure I'd do it yet, but I just kept reading the script for the bear and the pilot. It was so great. I got to the point where I was just like, it's not my business to I have no right to pass on something this good. Even though I was anxious about the future and all this stuff, I was shooting the pilot for the bear probably two months after that panic attack. I knew I was going somewhere, so I was able to throw myself into something else.

Yet it was still just a pilot, right? You had to sweat the delivery of that, the network reading it or sorry, watching it and giving it a pickup, right?

Fx, I believe, still is one of the... I don't think it's this inside baseball, but it's like, I think a lot of shows will go straight to series these days with streaming, but FX continues They shoot a pilot. Everybody watches it. They see what it looks like. They take a look at what you want to do in the first season.

They make pretty good shows over there, so they're très good. They do.

No, wonderful.

We have a question about staying in Chicago. Those 11 seasons you of Shameless, and then the bear. Do you find a new place to stay every time you go, or do you have a hub that you stay at?

What a great question, Sean.

That's great. Thank you.

What part of Chicago?

Who's your broker?

We shot most of Shameless in LA, but we'd go for a week at a time.

Oh, I got it. Okay, got it.

We'd stay in a hotel.

I thought you shot the whole thing there.

No, no, no.

First week in showbiz. We We're catching. We're catching. Got it.

We do shoot all of the bear in Chicago, and we stay all in the same place. It's great because all of us are on the same floor, and we all cook together and eat together. Oh, that's great.

It's breakfast included?

Yeah, exactly. Okay, wow. But yeah.

So Apollo 13, the movie, they didn't film that in space then, no?

A portion of it.

Okay, so you get the bear. So now you start doing the bear. So you come out of this... By the way, Sean, I was going to ask you, you also had that thing with Will and Grace. How long was that on the air? That was the first. Yeah, how long?

Total 11 seasons, but broken up to eight, three.

So did you feel when that was over?

Yeah. Well, I try to be self-aware. I'm sure these guys did, too, during rest development, that when something's working and you have a gig and you have job security and somewhere to go every day, and hopefully every year with each season, that you start trying to think ahead like, Okay, I'm You're self-aware enough to know that this is working now. I have to use this to get another gig. I have to make sure I can parlay this into another gig. As hard as you try, you just can't, like Jason always says, you can't control it. You can't control where your career goes. You can try, but it's like, just do your part.

You would do have to let go.

We never... Well, certainly on Arrested, we never had.

How long was Arrested?

The first incarnation was three years.

But then you guys came back.

We never had job security. Even after we won the Emmy, we were on the verge of being canceled the next week. That's so crazy.

It's such a great show. That's unbelievable.

Every time we go past the Guard Shack at Studio, we'd wonder if there'd still be a drive on for us.

But you guys knew how good it was. You guys could all feel how good it was, right? I mean, that's a boring question.

We did, but we were all a bunch of weirdos on that show. We were like, Well, is this going to translate? Are other people going to think this is funny?

Yes, we never knew. I never had that job security. I never had a long term job in that way. Right.

I have never. And yet you work more than literally anybody I know.

I don't know if that's true, but it's weird.

You're doing okay, Will.

Yeah. All right.

Thank you. Now, you come off that and then all of a sudden, you find yourself, you're shooting the pilot, and then the show gets picked up. Could you have predicted that the bear would resonate with fans and critics and everybody as much as it did when you were Yeah, even more so than Shameless.

Yeah.

Yeah. No, I mean, I think all of you guys know that the feeling of making something and knowing that it feels exciting and fresh and that you love all the other actors and everybody's doing such great work. But then you know that almost doesn't matter. You put something out and will it connect or will anybody watch? It's just a whole other thing. So I think we all knew how exciting it was to make and we all hoped we could do more. But I think my greatest hope for the show when we were shooting the first season was maybe we can find a niche market where people in service really dig this show. It's like, respect I think that was the goal is like, will kitchens like this show? Will back of house like this show? Does this seem real? So the fact that it connected with as many people as it did and was watched as much as it has been was definitely a surprise.

You're on year what? You're on year four of the bear?

We will start shooting five next year.

Wow.

Yeah.

Wow. How many episodes a season?

It changes. It's sometimes it's eight, sometimes it's 10, but it's always right around there. Yeah, that's great.

Now you're a great big movie star on top of it all, too. How are you going to stuff it all in, bud?

Oh, man. What I feel like I want take a nap. I don't know. I'm excited to go do the next season of the show. Then it's been so lovely what the show has given me, but I definitely want to hang out at home and take the kids to school and stuff.

Yeah, because it does seem like those things. There are people that are uniquely suited to constantly be in a public position and do that whole thing.

Away from home and all that stuff.

Yeah, it's hard. Then there are others that really like to be at home, that are private, that are shy, that it's antithetical to the whole public job. You do seem to be someone that enjoys Like me, I think all three of us who enjoy being nesters.

Yeah, trying to find a bit of a routine or a little bit of, I don't know, rhythm. I get very When you go out, you feel like you got to throw the switch a little bit and, Okay, now we got to do this a bit, but it becomes a part of you.

Is it become a comfortable part of you?

Which part? Just flying around?

Yeah, and doing the thing and promoting stuff.

Showing up in the room and everybody's looking at you and going like, Hey, there's-Being a public figure. There's Jeremy.

I mean, yeah, I don't know. I don't think that I'll ever feel, for me, a comfortable thing, but I think you can get better at hiding your anxiety, perhaps. Yeah, for sure.

You know what's funny, Jeremy? This weekend, actually, at one point, I was somewhere on social media and a photo came up and you and our friend Jamie, who we just mentioned. Yeah. It was like a scene with... I was like, there we go. You're there with Jamie, who you work with. Yes. Then people lobbying comments and saying, who's this person? Who's the person? Who's the person? You're just like, hey, man, the guy's out where he's working or he's doing this and he's in the city. It's just that part is bizarre. It's just it never gets really-Are you able to see that as fun and funny?

Yeah. I love Jamie and I've known her for so long. So that thing is funny and that's what I get for whatever, staying at the Bowery. But no, that stuff is... Yeah, it's strange. You certainly don't get used to it. I have this farmer's market I love to go to and I've gone to for six, seven years that's very close to my house, and I go every Sunday. I feel like that thing that was mine or me and my daughters or whatever, that very private nice routine has been, yeah, spoiled by that attention. When those things happen, I understand it comes with, I'm very lucky to be working this career that I've wanted to be in for so long and have these opportunities, and this is something that comes with it. But yeah, none of it is normal. None of it feels normal.

Do you talk to your kids about it? Do you explain, try to explain it to them?

Are they old enough yet?

Yeah, I mean, I just try to explain it is people get excited. They know I'm on television and they'll see posters and things. I explain that people get excited about thinking they understand a version of your dad, but it's not really your dad. You know me and these people don't really know me, but they get excited because they see this version of me. But Eze, my oldest, spots people quicker than I do. She's got a real Hawk eye for people.

When someone pretends to be going through their emails with a really technical- Yeah, quick to put it up their phone or doing a double take.

She'll be like, We got to keep moving. That's great. And she's seven? It's nice that she's sharp. I'm glad that she's I was with somebody once, and somebody was taking a sneaky pick of them and then came up and said, Can I get a pick?

They said, You already got it.

Yeah, respect.

We'll be right back. Now, back to the show.

J. B, what do you say to your girls? I mean, your girls are older now, but did you say back in the day, have that convo with them?

I made a mistake early on of-We know, but what I want to know about this. I remember once we were driving past a poster and one of my daughters said, we were driving to school, and she's like, Oh, I can't wait to tell my friends that you're on a poster. My instinct was, I said, No, you can't. You can't. Don't ever say... Because I didn't want her to be bragging or being like... I overcompensated and made it-It landed in a way that was panicked about. Right. That you should hide the fact of what your dad does. They almost thought that what I did was a bad thing. I had to undo that. But what do I... I'd never had kids before.

It's first for me. How old were... How did you guys handle that stuff, you and Amanda?

You try to keep an eye on when's the first possible moment they can understand the smart version of this conversation and try to have it then as opposed to the dumb version of the which is what I had. It's just a big, dull, dumb, blunt instrument saying, No, this is bad. Don't talk about it. This is over here is good. It just was stupid. I just kicked the can down the road for a bit. Yeah. I guess.

Jeremy, what's your dream role?

Great, great, great. I want to hear this. Yeah, I know this is great.

One more thing on Chicago. What was the commute like? From That's the place you guys were staying?

Well, Sean, I will. I mean, do you go back a lot? Do you have a restaurant I should be going to that I don't know about? What's going on?

Yeah, I love- Fuck, Jeremy.

That's a slippery slope, Jeremy.

Okay, go ahead. I love the RL restaurant, the Ralph Lauren Polo restaurant.

Of course. It's the best. I mean, that's- Come on, really? We can all walk. It's the best. For lunch, we're there. Chris Dore, the creator of the Bear, is there every day.

It's attached to the Ralph Lauren store.

Ralph Lauren. I believe it's Ralph Lauren.

You know what? The one in Paris This is very good, too. It's for real. Yeah, they're all good. Yeah, really, really good.

But, Jared, is there... Because you have so much going on and you have to balance, like you said, be nice to take my kids to school or whatever. Is there something that's coming up or something that you've always wanted to do where you're just like, I really need to do that. I really want to do that.

I have to get this. I can't do it because of kids.

Or I have to figure it out.

I don't know. I mean, I don't think of... I take things as they come.

You weren't like, I have to play Bruce Springsteen. It was more like a collaborative, Hey, what do you think about this?

Yeah, I mean, that came... Bruce came to me and the script came to me through Scott Cooper, who's a director I've admired for a really long time. A great filmmaker. I think that's how I always move is who are the directors, who are the writers, who are the actors I want to work with? The genre or the world, while those can be very exciting things, are almost secondary to, I really want to work with Paolo Sorrentino, or I really... Every actor wants to just do a line in a Paul Thomas Anderson movie. That's always what I'm looking for. There's no archetype or world that I'm necessarily like, I need to do this.

Got it.

Sean, what about you? Something fun. What would you like to do right now? I'm serious. Somebody said, You can pick a genre right now. What would you do?

I want to play. I told you, I want to play a complete fucking a maniacal serial killer or someone who's just... You would never, ever expect me to play. I want to play the super nice guy who is affable and just funny or whatever. Then he fucking rips people's necks apart when nobody's around.

That's his mode as he rips people's necks apart?

That's right. I wrote it down. You want me to send it to you?

Okay.

What weapon would your guy use, Sean?

Just my hands.

I've had a cake knife?

How about think about it for a second?

Jesus, let me get the question.

Just try to cover up the motivation. Let him finish the... Just my hands.

But no, you know what? You know what?

You know what? You know what? You know like Anthony Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs When you saw the movie, you're like, who is this guy?

Like, he can't... I mean, he worked all the time before that, but that was what made him famous. You're like, wow, that's such a cool, crazy...

Sean, do we need to go look into your garage? Is this something... Do we need to check your search history?

Everything's fine. Everything's fine. Everything's Wait.

Willy, what about you? Yeah. What's that? What about it? You could rub the Genie bottle. Next role, next part.

It's- Or it could be a genre. It's the Newborn.

The Newborn. You'd like to do some action work.

I take over. Yeah, in the first scene, Maddie and I battle it out. Sure. Then with the silencer, I take him out.

You take his wallet and his identification.

I take his identification. Right before he does, Damon looks at me and goes, You're the best. Then I take over.

But you haven't thought about it.

Well, I want him to compliment me before. You know what I mean?

His last words. But in all honesty, If somebody came to you with a big-ass action film right now, would you not think about the fact that the stunt work could be very challenging?

I feel like that stuff's exciting to me. I mean, that all feels like there.

You're younger than we are.

He's a young guy. He's not scared of that, Jason.

No. What about you, Will? Do you think you'd say yes to some stunt work? You'd blow out your fucking hammy coming out of your fucking dressing room.

Coming out of your dressing room.

I'm out. I'm out. Says you. J. B. Would show up for his first stunt, and they'd be like, You can't do this in slippers. But I think that I would actually think more about the time that would take to be away to do something like that. The first one would freak me out more than anything, to be honest. Yeah, I know.

That's looking like six months. Yeah.

I know. It is such a big factor in deciding, isn't it? Where am I going to be and for how long?

Yeah. We all have kids and you have lives and stuff, and especially at our age. I mean, Jeremy, you're lucky that you're young. You have all these... But for me, I'm like, oh, God, I'm so tired.

You have a young one. I do.

I have a five-year-old. Five I have a five-year-old and a 15-year-old and a 17-year-old.

So these are like- You are tired.

Yeah, I am tired. And these are... Although my five-year-old slept through the night last night, which he hasn't been doing for a while, but he did last night, which was a big... Even though I look crazy exhausted.

Is he Is he in bed with you?

No.

Because that's a super slope.

But it is a super... Sometimes I'll go down and get in and calm him down and stuff like that if he wakes up in the night. But yeah, he's not a great sleeper. But anyway, Hey, listen, it's cool. I'm 55.

Hey, can you talk about that?

Oh, is it Jer now? Yeah.

Sure.

Why not? I don't have the time.

Do people call you Jer? Are you called Jer Are your friends?

Jair, yeah. Jair. Jair bears.

How about jaw dog? Yeah.

Jaw dog is a lot. Oh, truly? Yeah. Yes. Jau was in middle school, high school. On the bear set, jaw dog is around. Really? I'm being genuine. I love it.

Jau dog. Yes, of course.

Well, my initials, yeah. Or J-A-W, yeah. Jawdog.

Yeah, I got it. We can do the math. Listen, because I know what you mean.

Sean, your hair is distracting. It will say it looks terrible.

I got to get a cut. I'm getting a cut.

What time is the gig later on? You just cover all Flock of Seagulls and nothing else, right?

No, I have a figure-skating gig next. A little bit. But, Jer, do you have... Because I'm talking about the anxiety thing and stuff like that. Can you, when you're not working and you have family, can you shut it off and not think about agents and lawyers and deals and scripts and all that stuff? Can you completely separate, or is it always there?

I think, yeah. When I'm around my kids, you're forced to just... You have to be completely present. It's like... So I guess that's the second time I found real peace or focus is, yeah, and having kids, everything just narrows and you're like, oh, this is it. This is where my attention is. This is where I want to be. This is... And so, yeah, I'm able to do that when I'm When I'm home. Yeah, for sure.

When it's not kids, what else are you doing? When it's just you, what do you do to completely decompress no work, no kids, something stupid, something settling? What would we be surprised to learn as your weird ass hobby or your shitty TV show that you watch?

I'm obsessed with reality, real estate shows, and I'm always on my Realtor app. I don't buy anything, but I like to fantasize about buying stuff all the time.

That's why those shows are so popular. We do, too.

The three of us do. It's insane. I send listings to friends and they're like, buy it then. What do you want from me? I'm like, no, I don't know.

Wait, so those weird realitors.

Million dollar listing. Yeah, selling Sunset.

Owning Manhattan just started up again. I'm very excited. I'm the same way. My guy, Ryan Surhant.

Yeah, Ryan Surhant is incredible. Came from nothing and built an empire.

I'm very impressed by that, man. Easy.

No, but I mean, it's cool.

Yeah, but that's I just look at stuff. If I'm visiting, I don't know, I'm traveling for work or even I like doing road trips. I don't know if I'm in a small town I think is really sweet. Instantly, I'm on Zillow or the Realtor app and I'm like, What if I- I want to take What if I got another place here? What if I just would come here all the time?

What is it? I do the same thing. Wherever I go, I'm immediately thinking about getting a place there. Is it because that's how I could feel at home there? Yeah, maybe. So I'm not home set?

Yeah, maybe it's a way to try to get some control over. I feel like a lot of it comes back to control for me. Exactly.

I want to be a local immediately.

What's the weirdest place that you ever seriously concerned? Like, maybe I will get a place here. Was there ever one of those?

Bisby, Arizona. I was really considering. Yeah, I did a road trip. I've driven cross country four or five times, and I did one from LA to New York in December. This was 10 years ago. And the first stop was Bisby, Arizona, which is a very small town. It looks like Laurel. The buildings are very pastel colors, and it's hilly, but it's in the middle of no. It's like desert, desert, desert, very small town, but very sweet. And I spent the night there in a bed and breakfast. Got up the next day, was walking around, talking to locals. Everybody I spoke to, nobody was from Bisby. Everybody was just passing through. Then they opened a sandwich shop or they opened a clothing store. It started to feel a little like twilight episode-y where I was like, Oh, maybe this is one of those towns you stop in and you can't get out of. I did get out, but then for about six months, I was considering getting a A little house in Bisby, Arizona.

What about these drives across country? Did you ever have a big run in with a cop? Do you like to speed?

I'm really responsible on the road. You are? Yeah. You do the speed limit across the country. I go 10 above the speed limit.

Okay. Set the cruise control.

They won't have you.

I just keep going at 10. But I did get a flat in St. George when I was driving cross country a couple of years ago. In the middle of the night, there was no one around. I didn't have cell service, and that was spooky. That's the worst. Then I finally got a cop stopped and I got a spare, and I was going to spend the night in Vegas. I was on my way back to LA, but there was a fight night, and everything was booked, everything. I'm talking like, holiday inns were booked, all the nice hotels were booked. Eventually, I got a hotel room. It was the only hotel room left in Las Vegas, but it was $2,000 for the night. Oh, my God. It It had a bowling out. It was so absurd. I spent $2,000 to lie down at 2: 00 AM and then pretty much get up at 6: 00 AM to go get a real tire put on the car.

Because you said a little pizza cutter.

Back to LA. I just needed to sleep.

You just slept in your car.

I should have.

That's what I'm here for.

Another thing for you, the list for your time machine.

I know what you mean about that. Anytime Scottie and I go anywhere, we immediately go. I always ask them, Could you live here? Could you live here? Could you live there? It's always a small point.

Those are mainly like Duncan franchises and stuff like that.

No, but it's always the same thing where I think I would go. I think the idea of living smaller in a quaint town like Bisby or whatever is great. But then the reality is, I don't know, this New York or LA or Miami or Chicago, the city really keeps you going and alive.

I'd I feel too isolated, I think. Yeah, a little bit. I need some big town, too.

Well, you're for two things. A, Sean does do that because I know for a fact, Sean will go even further. He won't even just look at online. He'll go and look at property with a local realtor. For sure. A hundred He does it all the time.

All the time.

Oh, whoa.

Yes.

Commitment. But you bought and you'll pull the trigger.

No. God, no. No. I just like, he's wasting people's time.

He's wasting so many realtor's time. It's not even funny.

He's like, persona non-grot. A real whale.

The other thing is I've noticed... Sorry, go ahead, Sean.

No, I just get to that idea, Jeremy. The idea, do you come from a small town and you prefer cities now? Or are you like, no, I could actually...

He's from Brooklyn.

You're here at the start of the show, right? I know, but Brooklyn isn't like a... Brooklyn is a city like so. Go on. Do you prefer the opposite of that as you get older because you didn't grow up that way?

Maybe. I mean, yeah, I definitely like the idea of maybe one day having a place that's more slow moving and I have a smaller place in LA, or if I'm back in New York, I have an apartment in the city and go upstate or Long Island or something like that.

You ever see yourself getting a bunch of land and being one of those guys with a bunch of ranch Ranch tools.

Like Kevin Costner. Again, the fantasy of it. Ranch tools. Yeah, I think.

A bunch of props. What is it, Jason? The stuff that the prop Department hands you.

Yeah. One of those cap guns.

You're holding it upside down, Mr. Bateman.

I'd be so useless. I think for a week, it could be fun. Yeah, I hear. To have the fantasy of it. But very quickly, I'd realize there's no-I could see you upstate.

I could see you upstate or on Long Island.

Yeah, I have some friends that are up there, and I think it's sweet. Then, yeah, Long Island, I think is really nice. I rented a place last summer there that I really loved. We love it. All my people, my folks My sister's still in Brooklyn. My sister is in Brooklyn. Yeah, that's great. I like going back there and being close.

Well, personally, I'd like you stay here in Los Angeles. Yes, please.

It's nice. We've got many dates ahead of us. What was the last movie? What was the last movie night?

It's been a while. I mean, I'm still watching them, but the door is still unlocked, a jar even waiting for you people to come back.

Hamnets? Did you guys see Hamnets?

Fucking less creepy would be great. Just a little less creepy would be nice.

That's the name of my autobiography. The Door's a Jar.

The Door's a Jar.

Oh, my God.

It's disgusting.

God, it's so gross. Jermy L. And White. You are the man, man. Jermy L.

And White, I appreciate you. Yeah. Jow Dogg.

Jow Dogg. It's just incredible.

No, listen. We're all a big, big fan. Continued success. Congrats on all of it. Thank you. I appreciate you guys. It's so well deserved. You've worked hard for it, and you've been just consistently great all the way along. We're big, big fans. I speak for Sean. Jason has his own take on it, which is a little more lascivious. Yeah.

No, I'm not there yet. Okay.

I'm working on him.

I'm trying to play hard to get. Love you, Jeremy. I really appreciate it. Get over here again.

This is a pleasure. Thank you. Thank you. Nice to meet you.

Thanks for doing this, buddy.

Be good, you guys. You're the best. See you soon, man. See you.

Will, did you get that full plate of food done? I don't know.

First of all, he said you're the best, and he was looking at me. Do you see that?

No, he was looking at my box.

That was nice. He was looking at me.

You got a full plate of food delivered to you at the beginning of the interview. Did you get it all done? What is it? It was like mozza bread or something.

Like a chicken salad.

Oh, it was chicken salad. Who was that? Who was that? It would seem like somebody was on their hands and knees down there at the door opening.

What was that? She didn't want to interrupt. She didn't want to interrupt. It was Caroline.

No. It was Caroline? That was Caroline on her hands and knees?

She wasn't on her hands and knees. She bent down to put it at the door because she didn't want to interrupt. She was being very respectful.

She should have come in.

I love her.

I know. I love her. Don't you mess that up, Will.

Oh, my God. Jesus.

If it starts to get wobbly, you just hand it over and let us fix it, and then we'll give it back.

That's how relationships work, right?

Yeah, sure. That's exactly how it works. You're going to hand it over?

Oh, my God. I'm out of milk.

Sean, is this the same Snickerdoodle?

Yeah, he just killed it. It was really the last bite. Good boy.

There's some more left.

How great is he?

I've never met him.

Oh, he's just the greatest.

He's such a nice guy. I've only met him for a couple of times. He's so nice.

He's a good, normal person.

He's really great. It would have been great up there on that stage. Are we going to reschedule that? Are we going to do the bowl maybe in the spring or something like that, maybe?

Let's make a commitment that we're going to do something.

Spring, summer?

Yeah, why don't we do the bowl? Or let's for sure do it when it's not rainy season.

We can't do it in the summer because they do the Philharmonic There's a tonic there in the summer.

Every night?

Most of it's programmed.

Why can't you do it over the summer? Or what about the beginning?

La fills in there through the summer.

But are you having one night?

September or before the rain starts.

Don't argue with me. I'm happy to do it at any point. I think it's all about the guests. When can we get guests in there? Yeah, you're right. We got to get some big-shot guests because we're not cutting it. People aren't coming out to see us blather on sitting on a couch. They want to see the stars.

Wait, how did you and Jeremy meet again?

A Grinder.

Wow. It seemed like it was a really successful-JB, you didn't know this.

Sean didn't want to say it because he's embarrassed because the same guy created the bear. Sean is about to do. They're doing a spin off. He's doing The Cub. It's a different show.

How are they doing?

Doing The Cub. It's on YouTube or it's on porntube or whatever. But whatever, it doesn't matter. Hey, listen, it sounds fun. It sounds fine.

By the way, when I saw the title of the bear, I was like, I'm in, Click.

Oh, it's about a restaurant.

Click off. People are talking about food.

Wait, is Grinder the hetero one or the gay one?

Nice try. Which one is it? Hey, I'm confused. What are you doing here? I'm so confused.

Hand of God on my kid's life. Which is which?

Which is what? What are you asking?

Is it Tinder? One of them is the gay one, one is the straight one.

Yeah, Grinder is the gay one. Just think G gay. You're acting so nervous.

You're acting so nervous right now.

I just want to make sure they get that on their-It is like a delete account.

We're still recording. Wait, when Jeremy was playing Bruce Springsteen.

Oh, boy, here we go. Jesus. There is a song.

Honest to God. That I wonder because I haven't seen it yet. There's nothing worse. I haven't seen the show yet. I wonder if he sang the song in the movie called Johnny Bye-bye. Do you know that song?

At least commit to it.

No, I was just like- Don't just go right, bye.

Johnny Bye-bye.

That's good. Okay. Bye.

Bye.

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