Transcript of "Charli xcx"

Hey, guys, you know what I do when I'm done drinking a plastic bottle of water? I do do the environmentally correct thing to do. I smash it, I cap it, I put it in the blue bin. I smash it, I cap it. I put it in the blue bin, everybody. I smash it, I cap it, I put it in the blue bin.

Bashi.

Smart. Look at your little jay. Look at the little flare you got going. You lit that thing.

I mean, that's, that's what we get for doing this at four.

No, it's nice though. It's giving it a nice kind of vibe. Like, you got a.

You like the kick. All right.

You got a little California vibe. It's real. It's real.

Yeah.

It's just nice. It's giving a real kind of.

It's a little bit too much, maybe.

How do you feel about the afternoon record?

I'm not a fan. Yeah, I'm, I'm done with the day. A couple hours ago.

Yeah. That's what, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2.

That's for the whole day, right? I'm just gonna quote you.

It is, it is a full. It is a work day today for sure. I will admit. I'll get there. I'll get, I'll get it up. I'll get it up now. But Shawna, you're even worse off. You're in New York. So you're. This is, this is. You're well past dinner time at seven there.

I know it's seven o'. Clock. I have just been going two and.

A half hours past dinner time. Right.

Yeah, no, I, I ate when I.

Did you rehearse today?

I did. For five hours. Boy.

How'd it go?

It's, it's tough. I mean, it's like, you know when you have to concentrate so hard and so specific for so long?

Yeah.

I don't know. Like on.

It's a different kind of tired.

It is. It's brain tired.

Yeah. You can't take a moment off. Right. Because listener, he's talking about. He's doing a one man show.

Gosh, here we go.

What's the, what's the show called, Johnny?

It's called the Unknown. But we, we, we, we don't, we don't have to.

Okay.

Called the Unknown.

We don't know.

We don't know.

How is it going to be? It's unknown.

It's kind of right there. It's right for, you know, what's the shy.

What's the name of the theater too? So we can just get it it's called.

It's called the Studio Se View. And it opens January 31st for preview.

Studio Seaview. January 31st, gang. Get down there.

Yeah, I. You know, the whole, like, previews and opening. We talked about that before. It's like, if you're selling tickets and people are coming, why don't we do the previews and just. It opens January 31st. That's what I say.

Yeah.

Like, you know people, right?

Because you do sell tickets.

What's the thing with the preview? Yeah, what's the thing with the previews? What do you think?

You know, it's to work out the kinks before it's officially open. But it's like, well, then don't sell ticket tickets. But we are.

And so just do rehearsal. Call it rehearsal. And don't have, like.

Yeah, we're rehearsing for two weeks before we.

You know, like, you get a couple weeks of mulligans. Like, don't you dare write a review about this.

It'll be like shooting a bunch of scenes and then you release a rough cut and go. It's just the rough cut. But it's going to theaters.

That's right. And then. But. But, Jason, that's when the. That's when the critics come. Are during previews. Yeah. So it's like, what? I don't understand. It's all back.

They get the reviews out on opening night.

Well, while we're working through our shit, that's when they review the show. Like, I don't know. It doesn't make any sense.

One of you should charge half price for previews.

I'll mention that to the page.

Sean, can I ask you a question? Yeah. Do you have the balls to change the system? Let's do play. Let's. Let's write a play called Change, and it's about changing theater system.

Charging half price for previews.

Three full acts, and let's do four months of previews in one week.

Oh, my God. That'd be hilarious.

Now, Sean, you're. You're finding your brain's working okay, as far as remembering all these lines.

Well, you know, that's the scariest part. I have found that I've been told in this rehearsal process that some people have ear. What is it called?

Yeah, ear wigs.

Earwigs or whatever. And then.

Oh, yeah, we had a. We did a. We had a record the other day.

Oh, that's right.

Now, I wonder. He. I couldn't understand. Was he. Was he implying that the earwig is. Is reading him his lines? All the time or just when he goes up, someone will whisper to him.

He said for backup. But I do. I know somebody who did an entire run on Broadway with.

There's a few people. Yeah. And anyway, so. So I also talk about, what are you gonna do? What's.

What's going to be your safety net?

I'm just gonna wing it, like, I don't know.

No, you're not.

But you know what?

Here's what it is. J.B. he's been. What? He's being very modest. He's been working on it for months. Eight. Eight hours a day.

Yeah. For like three.

Non stop. He is so diligent about that, you know, Shani, He's. He's diligent if nothing else. No, you are.

Now, this is the part that I don't get, though, Shawnie, because you're so. You're so beautifully relaxed about your days, your weeks, your years, your months. You know, you don't. You don't. You're fine. You're fine relaxing. And you.

You don't think I'm a basket case?

You tend to say no to a lot of things. Okay. Even more than me.

Yeah.

Yet you say yes to not only a one man show, but another play on the back end of the last thing. And you said you would never. Do you remember?

Yeah. Do you remember when he was in London? Remember he was in London and he was like, I'm not doing this again. What am I doing? I remember talking to you like, yeah, why am I doing this? I'm so tired. I'm not gonna do this. We were on the phone, and then a month later, you're like, I'm gonna go to New York and do this one, man. I'm gonna do something.

Well, because I. Because if you. If you read the script, you'd be like, well, you're an idiot if you don't do this, because there's never been anything like it. I mean, it's the most incredible thing I've ever read. I mean, it's incredible.

Oh, all right. All right. Well, good.

He's inspired. He's inspired by the cherry.

Yeah, I like the channel.

That's good.

But, you know, then. Then.

Then it's nice that you're still inspired.

Yeah, a little bit. So. But I talk about changing the system. On stage is the only. Like, theater's the only place you don't have a stand in. So TV and film actors have stand ins. Why? They light the scene so they can go rehearse or whatever. But theater, I was like, why don't you have a stand in during tech week? Why don't I have to stand there for 14 hours while you light the show? I'm tired anyway, moving on.

You don't like hitting your marks and setting the lights and all that stuff.

But maybe that process will help cement it.

That's. That's what it's there for, I'm sure.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Guys, my guest today is one of those people who was just kind of born cool, right? Like, came out of the womb in dark sunglasses. She was performing at illegal warehouse parties as a teenager and her parents came with her. Not dropped her off, but, like, went inside side. She's British. Her stage name came from an old online scream name. It basically meant kiss me. She has synesthesia, so music is in colors in her head. I want to talk to her about that. And she's been behind some of the biggest pop hits of the last decade. But in the summer of 2024, she had a moment so big, it jumped out of music and into the American presidential election. She's wildly talented, beautiful, unapologetically herself. But most people know her as one word. Brat. It's the amazing Charlie xcx.

Hello.

Oh, hello.

Look at her go. How are you?

I'm good, thank you. How are you?

Good. Are you in a kitchen somewhere?

It sort of sounds like it, doesn't it? No, I'm in this. I don't know what this is. It's a room.

It's a medical place.

This behind me. Basically, that's all that's going on.

Are there cadavers in there? Listener. There's a metal wall behind her.

Yeah. Shiny metal. Yeah. How are.

I'm so.

Thanks for being here. This is so cool.

Thank you for having me.

Where are you? Were you just filming something or something?

Yes. I'm sorry I was late.

Oh, good.

Yeah.

Are you in London?

No, I'm in la. I'm in LA right now.

Okay.

Are you liking. Are you liking what you're filming?

Well, yeah, I mean, it's just. I'm doing promo for a movie, so I'm kind of. This is my first. I can't wait time. Doing promo for a film.

Is this the mockumentary or is this the other one?

Yes, it's the mockumentary.

This movie looks awesome.

Tell us about it.

What's it called?

Yeah, it's called the Moment. And it's basically a. It's kind of a Revisionist history of 2024.

And A24 is producing or producing it?

Yeah, A24 are producing it, and it's basically a. Yeah, it's like a satirical mockumentary about my first arena tour.

Right.

And, yeah, it's like a music industry satire very much in the realm of this is Spinal Tap and kind of opening night.

Right. It looks hilarious.

You're sort of playing like, a version of yourself.

Yes, correct, correct. A version of herself.

How are you liking that? Is it because that necessitates sort of doing some. Like, are you. Do you have to make yourself look foolish? Do you have to make yourself look different than what you truly are at times? Like, how does all that work?

Well, I mean, my character is a real bitch, and everybody already thinks that I am one, so that's totally fine.

Who said that?

Google it. It's out there, babes.

Is it really?

Yeah, yeah.

No, but.

No, it's. It's. Yeah, it was like a really. It was kind of an amazing process, and we were really lucky to work with some, like, a fucking. An awesome cast. Like, Alexander Skarsgrd is just absolutely incredible in the film.

Was any of it scripted, or is it really all improv?

No, it was scripted, but we really did go off on a lot of improv. I mean, we had some really incredible comedians in the film as well, like Kate Balant and Jamie Demetriou, who are just. I mean, it's like their bread and butter. They're so. It's so effortless for them.

And your idea, or whose idea was it?

The idea. It was based on an idea, but by me? Yeah, I guess I'd been approached to do a. Like, a more traditional tour film where, you know, we were gonna, like, film one of my shows. And I was kind of more interested in, like, subverting the form and, like, taking that kind of traditional medium and then, like, flipping it into something that felt just a bit more subversive and kind of more aligned with the work that I generally.

Super smart. Like, you're not taking it too seriously, and it's kind of like Spinal Tap, you were saying, right?

Yeah. Yeah. And I'm definitely not the hero of the story, which is very accurate to sort of my time in the music industry. I think you guys.

You guys have to watch the trailer.

Who directed it?

Aidan Zemeri directed the film. It's his debut feature.

Yeah, that's cool.

He's really incredible and has done a lot of music videos in the past.

How did you like the whole filming process? I mean, is that. Cause it can be long days, right?

Yeah.

I mean, this film was really on Kind of like an expedited timeline. I mean, we wrote the first draft in a week, and then after that, that was. We handed in the first draft sort of New Year's Eve, and then we were shooting by March, so it was very, like, fast. Very, very fast, as was the shoot itself. You know, sort of like five weeks and kind of like really, like, hardcore hitting it.

Yeah.

And did you already have.

Was it.

Was it done during one of your tours or did you have to like, get a whole stage together and do all that stuff too?

Yeah, yeah, we, we. We made a whole stage. And the stage is very kind of like not what I would actually do on tour.

So it's not real footage from the. From your tour?

No, there's no tour. There's no tour footage in it at all.

So what about the crowds? You got this big crowd.

We filmed. We filmed. Well, I don't, you know, movie magic, guys.

That would be a bummer to have to do all that stuff in front of all those people and, like, waiting and.

Yeah.

Throwing stuff at you.

Yeah. For God's sake. Take a sip of your tea.

Take a sip of your tea. It's really hot, actually. Is. What's going on? I'm just kind of blowing on it.

You got time.

So are you. So right, so lick it. You picked your name when you were really young. I know you probably. I've never heard this answer, but please, like, for me and our listener, tell me, like, how did you come up with the name?

Oh, and for me, too. I'm an old man. Help me.

Well, yeah, it was my MSN screen name.

And that's really good. That's really good.

I just kind of went with that. I stuck with that. And.

And it's just a kiss thing.

Like Kate, it's Charlie Kiss. Yeah. I think when I was a lot younger, I was sort of really kind of like, insecure about it being too boring. So I sort of tried to like, make it stand for much more like X rated version, but it didn't stick because it wasn't the truth. So. Yeah.

And dude, does anybody call you Charlotte anymore?

No. No one does, actually.

Not even family?

No. Everyone calls me Charlie.

Yeah.

How about Chuck? Ever Chuck?

You know, actually a lot of my American friends do say Chuck.

I would I look anybody I know that's Charles or Charlie, I always go to Chuck. I don't know why.

I get Chuck and I get chuckles quite a lot. Yeah.

Very good. Do you remember? Of course you do. I. This is what I. This is my Chris Farley version. Do you remember that day you tweeted kamala is brat? And then I. Yeah, Jay, do you remember that? Yeah. And then Kamala's whole, like, campaign became the color of your album.

That started with you, Charlie.

Yeah, come on.

You didn't start because the name of the album is brat.

Oh, okay. See, I'm very old. My daughter.

Don't worry, Jason, it's fine. It was only a cultural phenomenon.

But by the way, I'm a big.

Fan, and I know this old timer doesn't get past, you know, I still need to watch Sopranos, so. So wait, you did not come up with the term brat. I'm assuming brat was a.

Was a.

Was a term. Was a phrase that was. Or did you start? Did you start?

Yes, the name of my album.

Yeah, but you got it into the main, like, in the.

So my. My album was an album where the COVID is green, lime green, with the word brat on it. And that was something that was sort of, like, adopted by a lot of people on the Internet, eventually by Kamala after I did that tweet. And then it became sort of part of, like, the conversation to be brat or not be brat.

No, that part I definitely. I woke up for. For sure.

I mean, who knows? You're up for a lot, mate.

It found me in my hole.

But.

But, no, wait, there's a better way to say that. But. But when you put the title of it originally on your. On your album, was it already a phrase? It was kind of in the lexicon. Or. Or did you not.

Yeah, you created.

I mean, the word brat existed, but it wasn't a.

It was a classical sense.

Yes, yes, but it. But no, it wasn't. I don't think, at least that it was in the lexicon. In that. In the way that it.

In the way that it became associated with people just kind of owning it.

I mean, that's so cool, right?

Which is kind of what it kind of became.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah. And then all the hits, man, off that album. I mean, so many effing hits. It's crazy.

Thank you.

You know the 360 Apple? What are they, Van Dutch? Hello, Goodbye was on the extent, like, the deluxe version.

Yeah.

Wow.

Justice for very little known track, hello Goodbye.

I like hello Goodbye. I like it a lot.

Wait, do they still call those things B sides?

It's not technically a B side, but.

It'S like a deluxe version again, just like you. Deluxe. So you grew up in Essex, right? I can't picture you as a kid. Yeah. What were you like at school, growing up with this talent that you had at such a young age, you know, I just find. Cause your dad's Scottish and your mom's Indian. Did one culture, did one, like, feel more present than the other? You know what I mean? Was it different at school for you?

I mean, they were both sort of present culturally and also not, you know, I think I kind of lived this life where, like, I would go and see my mom's side of the family at the weekends, and when I was sort of around them, I would always kind of feel, I suppose, more white because I guess I didn't entirely perhaps connect with certain parts of the culture that I wasn't always present for, you know?

Right, right.

And then I think in school I would often feel more brown, you know, and more Indian, just because I think a lot of my school friends, their only kind of reference point for an Indian person was Apu from the Simpsons, you know, So I would feel very kind of like, you know, and that would be like a joke for them. So I would be a bit like, I couldn't really connect there, and I couldn't really connect with my mom's family. So it was, you know, but it was sort of like that kind of a, like slight displacement type thing, you.

Know, and what was like the. Was it was the toughest age for you. The same as. As it is for. Certainly for me for most people, like. Like seventh grade, eighth grade, like 13, 14, like, that's when I found kids are the meanest and like, my feelings got hurt the most. And I was. And I was scarred the most. And I still hold on. My point is I hold on to certain things that really scarred me back then, but actually gave me a bit of a thicker skin to be able to hand. Like, I didn't have this sort of clarity back then. But in retrospect, there is sort of, I guess, a benefit to going through some of the tough sledding that happens at that age. And certainly, like, if you have an older sibling, when they kind of like tease you and stuff. In retrospect, now, being the old timer that I am, I do look back at. And having kids of my own now. I do sort of see the stuff they go through as like, it helped me a little. I didn't see it at the time. Do you find that it helped shape you and the kind of music you make now?

Yeah, I mean, I don't have any siblings, so I didn't. I actually think not having siblings actually means that you miss out on a lot of conflict. And I mean that in, like, actually a bad way. Like, I think my friends who have siblings are so much better at conflict, as in they don't kind of amplify it up into this huge, dramatic thing. It's just they're able to move through it a lot more quickly than I am because they know how to diffuse it, you know?

Yeah. And as an only child, you're sort of protected and you're coddled, and it's all about you.

Yeah. And then also, it's like, the only people you really have to really fight with is your parents, who are this figure of authority in a way. So the kind of the clash feels like far more drastic. And there isn't, like, a sibling to kind of, you know, just diffuse it a bit and make it feel less of a big deal. So it feels really gigantic.

Yeah.

Does that mean that you would love to have more than. More than one kid? Or do you. Or would you like to have a kid that has the same sort of experience as you, where it's the only child and then you get to just kind of nurture and protect and.

I actually don't really want to have kids.

No. None.

You don't.

Wait, why?

You know, who knows? That could change.

By the way, it's none of my business.

Shani, you've never really had any interest in.

Yeah. I mean, you've said it a million times that I want to. Want to have kids, but. And my husband Scotty grew up an only child, and you can use this phrase. He always says I was spoiled but not rotten. Right. So he was always. He has to learn how. He had to learn everything that you're saying, like how to diffuse conflict and all that stuff. But, yeah, I was, you know. You know, I've said it a million times on this show that I'd rather regret not having kids than have them and regret it later.

Right, right, right.

Because you never know what you're gonna get, like, the roll the dice. Do you ever see the show intervention? It's like, if I had a kid, that's where they would end up, like, dragging me through the street, like, fucking drug addict.

They would be great.

I know what you mean. It's like, I love the fantasy of having a child. Naming it sounds so fun. But that is exactly assigned me as to why I should not have one. The fact that feels like the cool it.

Right.

Maybe I'm not ready, you know, but.

You know, all that could change if you. You might. My. My. I mean, I'm. I'm Sort of. I guess I'm backing into giving myself a half assed compliment here, but my wife did not want to have kids. So the story goes. So she tells.

That meant she didn't. And you adopted yours.

And. And she said once, Once. Once we started going out and she met. She was like, okay, I think I can have a kid with this guy. So you might find somebody.

Well, I'm married, so there you go.

I gotta read a newspaper one of.

These days, you know, it's okay.

That's why you're here.

I was enjoying. I knew immediately, like, where you were gonna go. I knew my response. I was really looking forward to it.

So your next husband, you're gonna want kids?

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Let me finish, Charlie.

Yeah. We'll be right back.

And now back to the show.

But wait, though. This is really cool. This is so wild. I did not know this, that. So when you start for starting out, all the illegal warehouses. This is what I read. All the illegal warehouses that you would go to, you would go to raves and you would what, perform there and your parents would not just drop you off, they would go inside with you.

Yeah, right.

Yeah.

I mean, I was so lucky. They were very supportive at the time. I was like, this is so lame. Like, they're cramping my style. But, you know, they were obviously just very, very supportive. I feel very lucky.

And so you would play shows at these raves, right?

Yes.

Are they still involved with your career? There's a lot of musicians that still have parents that are involved in their career. Very successful.

Mine aren't, but they're still, you know, they're very proud and they're very supportive, but they're not involved in my career. No.

Do they ever give you notes on your music? Do they like your music?

I'll bet you they used. My dad used to love throwing out some suggestions. Yes, Very, very ever.

Anything useful. Anything useful ever.

You know, I think it's like, I feel bad for him because I think it's one of those things where even if it was the most amazing idea ever, I think purely because. And this is. He used to do this when I was a lot younger, like, purely because he was my dad, that he was always gonna get the. No. You know what I mean? But I'm sure, you know, he's a smart guy. I'm sure he probably does have good song ideas up there.

Can you tell Jason about the story about your dad? Somebody tried to sell drugs to your dad at one of the raves, right?

This was Actually, my. My mom. Someone tried to sell some drugs to my mom at Flavor at the rave.

What's flavor? Me.

Yes. Oh, Jason.

Will, I gotta say, so. So, listener, we've gone 17 minutes without Will Arnett, and it's really been great, hasn't it?

Kind of been breezy.

It's like. This is a very useful experiment, Willie. If you ever have an IL or something like that. We're good.

We got you.

Yeah. Or not, if you're actually cooking. We got you. Great.

I can't believe. This is, like, my worst nightmare.

Oh, please don't worry. We're here for you.

What's happening over there? You okay?

No. I'm having a stressful day. Charlie. Do I call you Charlie?

You come.

Yeah, we've covered it.

I've had. Charlie, can I just say, I've had a really. I shared with the boys. I won't get into it, but I've had a really stressful day. On a personal level, it's been a very.

Yeah, yeah, we're gonna get into it after.

Insert joke here.

No, well, there was an insert joke.

Yeah.

Part of the problem. Still got it. Anyway. You still got it, Charlie. I'm sorry to have missed it. This is not. This is unlike me. I'm usually pretty good about this kind.

Of stuff, but anyway, don't you worry. It's.

Look, everybody's got, like, you know, this is one of the best episodes because Charlie was a little late. You were a little late. I'm always a little late.

I avoided a little teasing that Will undoubtedly would have given me for really having my head up my ass about Charlie. And like, old granddad here needed a little update.

He didn't know she was the. She born the term brat. You know, with Kamala Harris and all that. Like, she was.

I don't think I knew that either. I know who you are more than Jason, guys. It's.

It's this.

I'm very aware of your music and who you are. It should be noted.

Don't you worry.

I'm still listening to Steely Dan.

Charlie.

Yeah. And that's cool.

This is a problem.

That's.

That's cool. Wait, I just. I just thought it was funny. I was talking while I was talking about how Charlie. Charlie's parents used to go with her to the raves that she performed at, like, all these parties.

That's fun.

And that is.

And her mom. Her mom was offered a baggie of.

Of. Well, of mdma, but she thought that they said mdf, as in the wood. That you can buy to, like, panel a wall. And my dad was like, we could use some of that, but I don't know how we're gonna fit it in the car. And the guy was kind of like, wait, like, how much do you want to buy?

You know? And I just.

I thought it was a very sweet story.

He's got a lot of talents. He can handle a lot.

Yeah, that would be really useful for us, actually, if I think about it at the house, what we could use.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

By the way, this might be inappropriate, but I am hearing a lot about MDMA again, getting back to being an old timer here. I'm hearing it's. It's quite the thing, and it's. It's a lot of fun.

Is that the horse tranquilizer thing?

No, I think it's kind of like ecstasy.

Kind of like what ecstasy used to be. Right, Right.

Yeah, I'm. I. A little of that back way back in the day, and I'm hearing this MDMA is. Is a. Is a good time. I'm not advocating trying it or doing it, kids, but I hear it's a new. It's a new thing.

Well, they do MDMA therapy now, I think.

Right.

Which is not something that I've tried.

But I've never tried it. Have you?

I believe it. In therapy. Like a Friday night therapy. You know what I mean?

One night with, like, a little sidecar of. Of Tito's.

Whatever it is that you like.

Whatever.

Whatever makes it go down a little better, you know?

Gotcha.

Oh, my God.

Okay, so wait, so I want to know. Okay, so I want to talk about, like, getting the amusing stuff. So do you remember the first time? Because I find your story so fascinating that you were so young and you started. You discovered you had this talent at such a young age, and you were kind of like a superstar and you flew under the radar. And then, you know, I knew you'd probably, like, the world knew you with I love it. I don't care. Like, that song was so huge. And no, I only did I don't care. I love it. But you weren't really featured in the video, which I thought was weird. And so what was that like, knowing you wrote this song and this was your song, but it was having the success without your face on it kind of, so to speak.

Yeah, no, I mean, it was funny. I had a really sort of like, strange career in that, like, I.

I.

Was kind of, like, doing a lot of stuff and had some really, really big hits. But I was often either the writer of the song or the feature of the song. And so, like, nobody really knew who I was. So I did exactly as you just said, like completely fly under the radar. Like I was like going to cool shit, like working with incredible people, traveling the world, but was also kind of completely anonymous. So it was very. It was like interesting and very actually useful, I think for me, especially with my previous record Brat, which really did kind of like open me to a much wider audience. Massive. I think had I not had that experience back in like 2013, 2014 of these like, honestly, like big chart topping songs, I probably would be like totally like off my head right now because I wouldn't really be prepared. Do you know what I mean?

Right, right.

So. And I would be like a complete nightmare, which maybe I still am, I don't know, but you know what I mean? No, you're not indulging.

You're not.

So, yeah, it was interesting and it's kind of like over those years from then to now have sort of like built my audience sort of in a very kind of slow, like, organic way. So, yeah, it's been a kind of interesting path.

And tell me, tell these gu. Just go ahead. You have free reign to brag all the artists you've written songs for. Not all, but like the.

So you'll write songs for other artists all the time that you don't necessarily want to perform yourself?

Yes.

Big hit songs.

Yeah. Like, okay, Selena Gomez, Iggy Azalea. Camila Cabello.

Camila Cabello?

Yeah.

Wow. Shawn Mendes.

Right.

Blunt. Randomly.

Do you write them for them or you write them thinking that you might do it? Or they just become a. You're like, hey, I've got a song that I've written. Or somebody comes to you and says.

Charlie, hey, I got an idea. Do this for me.

Or can you just write me a song?

Yeah.

How does that work? It goes every way. All of those ways are options. Sometimes it's kind of like a we need songs for XYZ artists and this is what they want. This is what they want to say. And then sometimes it's like I'll write a song and I'll be like, oh, I thought this was for me. But actually I don't think I should sing like a sort of flamenco sounding pop song because that doesn't make sense for me as an artist.

And what you're writing is the music or the lyrics or both in these cases.

I write the lyrics and the top line, which is sort of the melody that the singer sings Right.

Incredible.

Wow.

Cause I was surprised a few years ago. I learned that it's. It's not that uncommon for some of the biggest stars in the world to not write anything ever. It's all incoming. They're just the sing. I don't mean to belittle it, but they only do the singing, and everything else is kind of taken care of.

Yeah. But you know what? It's like. It's funny. I think there's a real stigma against that, you know, like, that. That sort of, in some ways, like, makes those people less of an artist. But I don't really agree with that. I think there's, like, different types of artistry. Like, there's someone who's. There's like a great performer versus a great writer versus a great entertainer versus a really, like, unbelievable vocalist. I think there's.

It would also be, like, the equivalent. Sorry. It would be the equivalent of like an actor just acting versus somebody who's also. Who writes and directs and produces as well as act. It's like. It's really cool that you can do all of those things.

Yeah, I mean, I. Yeah, I enjoy it.

I mean, wait till this movie comes out. I mean, like, how did that.

How did that. Were one of your parents musically inclined that. Did they kind of put the bug in you?

No, not really.

How did you find it?

I think it was. It was. I just. I played piano.

Yeah.

Growing up, I was sort of studying classical piano, and I. When I was younger, I had no interest in classical music at all. I didn't think it was cool. I didn't get it. Now I feel completely different. I love classical music, but at the time, I really didn't. I didn't relate to it, and I thought it was kind of embarrassing that I was doing it. So instead I really was trying to, like, write pop songs and chords and kind of escape out of this, like, classical stuff that I was learning.

But that background in that. It must have helped you sort of songwriting wise. Yes.

Yeah. Elton John talks about that, how that informed a lot of his writing. You know what?

It's interesting because when I was studying classical music, I was really basically just doing it to pass the grades, like the classical grades. And each grade you would have to learn three pieces of music, and then you would do an exam where you would play the pieces of music and you would also do sight reading. And another test. I can't remember what it was, but I actually couldn't read music. I always really had, like. Like trouble reading the music and playing what was There. So I would spend an entire year, like, learning and practicing these pieces by ear instead of, like, actually just being able to pick up any piece of music and read it?

Yeah, it's called, like the Suzuki Method.

Yeah, sure. I think so. Yeah. And so, like. So I like, couldn't really, like, read any other music. So I actually have a really, like, low level knowledge of class classical music. So when Elton John's like, oh, yeah, for me, it really helped. That's probably because he's obviously Elton John and can probably play, you know, any single thing ever. But I could only really hear things by ear.

Right. And. And also like it to the extent you feel comfortable talking about synesthesia, because I think it's fascinating. Do you guys know what that is?

No, it's.

Where is it where you see music is that color?

You see music in colors. Oh, really? Can you describe that and how you first found out you had that and how you use it today?

Yeah, I mean, it's funny. It's like. I think it's not just about music. It can be. I don't know, some people might be like, see the days of the week in colors or it's a kind of color association to a thing. And different people have different stuff.

I have that.

You have that?

Yeah, for certain things I have color, but I've never thought about it. But yeah.

Really? Wow.

For days of the week, you said days of the week. Days of the week. I have colors for me.

Wow. You've just been diagnosed by Charlie and you didn't even know you had.

I didn't know.

Yeah. And so do you put. Do you put.

What color's Wednesday?

Pink.

What, you just made that up?

No. Thursday's green.

What are you talking about?

Friday's orange, Saturday's blue, Sunday's yellow, Monday's.

Blue are Fridays you're in love.

Tuesday's red.

Fridays you're in love by the Cure.

I don't care what it's gonna cost us too.

But anyway, sorry, but it's not as evolved as yours.

No, I mean, so it's basically just for me, it's like when I first started realizing that I guess I had it and I didn't really know what it was. When I was sort of figuring it out was when I was working with producers and I would sort of say, like, can you make this sound more blue or more purple? And I wouldn't quite be able to articulate specifically, like, the sound design that I needed, but I just knew that it needed to sound purple. And then when the producer would help generate that sound. I would say, like, that's it. That's the purple. That's purple or whatever.

And so now do you have to work with that producer all the time?

Well, yeah, I mean, I do work with the same people quite a lot. I mean, they know. They definitely know like what I mean when I say something.

Have you ever tried, like. I don't know how to explain this. Have you ever like listened to music or listened to one of your own songs and tried to paint it as you listen to it?

Yes, I asked that.

I haven't actually, but I think I do sort of like see it kind of. And when I listen to other music, I kind of like, I see it in a way. I'm like, oh, this song evokes this color immediately.

And do you ever reverse engineer that? And for inspiration, when you write a song like, you know, we always ask a lot of musicians what comes first, the lyrics or the music. Do you ever see a color first and then music comes from that?

More recently, no. It's really generated specifically by. When I hear sound, then I start thinking about color. But on this last record, to be honest, a lot of the songs were generated from like lyrical based ideas. Like I was really leading with. With lyrics.

Is that new? Is that like a departure from.

Yeah, yeah. Cause I used to kind of write phonetically where I would sort of go into the booth and just kind of record like a. Kind of like a ad lib track where I'd be like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah blah. And then I would fit like lyrics to the vowel sounds that I was creating.

Yeah, that's cool.

But now, yeah, more recently, I'm becoming much more lyric led because I think on the last record I had some really specific stories that I wanted to tell. And I didn't feel. I don't know, I just felt like I really wanted to kind of throw out any tropes that I had previously used in the past. I particularly wasn't interested in rhyme with this record. I just wanted to say the direct dialog from my brain in the way that I would text a friend. I think that became kind of the tone of the record.

So are you ever doing it on piano? Based on your sort of your history with piano, do you ever do that?

To be honest, no. My music is very electronic and kind of, especially on the last record, like very like club based dance music. So I wasn't really going to the piano too much.

But given what you were saying about how you're much more lyric driven Right now, there's certain things that you really like talking about and saying and communicating. How important is it to you that people hear every word in the lyrics? Cause, like, I'll try to follow lyrics. And, you know, some folks, they. They don't. They don't really. You know, they won't screw up the song to enunciate. You know, sometimes it sounds better to just kind of. Just kind of mumble it out. And I get that.

Yeah, but you're like, motherfucker, I want to hear what you're saying.

Then you look on Apple Music for the lyrics.

Right, right, right. I love. I do that too.

I don't. Yeah, I don't really care about enunciation, to be honest. I think it's overrated. Yeah, it's overrated. And also, I'd love to hear, you know, your interpretation of what I'm saying rather than what I'm actually saying. Because, you know, no one fact checks anyway anymore. So it's sort of fun to just play into it.

Yeah.

Yeah, sorry, Sean, go ahead.

No, I was just gonna say, how do you know when a song. I don't think we've ever asked this of any musician on the show. How do you know when a song is done? Because it's like in film editing, you could just do it forever. Like, you could just tweak and tweak and tweak. So for you, when you write all these massive hit song, this long list of all these huge songs that. How do you know when you're done?

I mean, I think it's different for everyone, but for me, I mean, people can go for ages on a song as well and really, like, chip back into it over and over again in the way that you would with an edit. But for me, that's my nightmare. Like, I think there's a real charm in spontaneity, and that's like a big part of my process as an artist, as a writer. It's really that instinctual kind of first reaction to something that there is something almost like charming and naive to it sometimes. You know, when you're a kid and you're coming up with ideas, like, if a kid writes a song, sometimes they could say something so profound and actually really surreal and abstract that as an adult, it might take you a while to kind of think of or something, and then it might even feel too forced. I feel like that's. For me, it's like the same when I'm writing. I'm like, the first idea is often just way more. I don't know, like, unique than when I've sat down and really thought about it for a while. So I really try and just like, capture the moment in that kind of a way.

Do you know when you have finished a song? Do you ever get that sense where you go, this is a hit song. I can feel it in for real. I mean, you must have this.

I do, but it's like those ones are always the ones that actually end up sucking. You know what I mean? It's like. I mean, it's like, I'm sure. I don't know if you guys have this when you're writing or when you're performing. If ever you think you kill it, you probably didn't. You know what I mean? It's like one of those. It was my.

All the time.

Yeah.

And also, if it's immediately catchy, you can get sick of it really quick. And those are the ones that are probably too simplistic or the public might get tired of too fast and it doesn't end up possibly.

I also think it's funny. I think we're in this kind of new era of creativity as a whole. I definitely feel this way about writing songs. I don't know how you guys feel about this, but I think we live in such a reference heavy world now that I think things can kind of become catchy or earworms or something that you want to revisit for other reasons outside of maybe they're like, really dynamically written or the melody is technically good. It could actually just be you're referencing something that's so within the zeitgeist that that itself is like, the hook of it. And I think that's a really interesting way of writing. Like, it's more like, topical.

Well, I think that that probably happens a lot. We have, like, think about all the, you know, the songs that we love sort of for nostalgic reasons. Right. That other people might be like, yeah, that song doesn't really mean much to me. You're like, really? Doesn't it remind you of that summer when we were 17? They're like, no, not really. Sorry.

Right. Yeah, for sure.

And we will be right back.

And now back to the show.

What's the turnaround time for a song? Because, like, if you were trying to follow trend with film, you'd be a fool's errand. Cause it takes about a year to turn a movie around from when you start it, to cut it, to release it. I mean, at a minimum, how long does it take to turn a song around?

I could. Like, a day. I mean. I mean. I mean, sometimes you write, I wrote I love it in 30 minutes, which is the one that you were singing amazingly. But it's not. It's not me being like, aren't I amazing? I mean, the lyrics are, like, on repeat. It's not. You know what I mean? It's like. But it's just. I think it's just like we have this saying, like, me and a couple of my collaborators, where it's like, you have to dare to suck, right? And, like, sometimes in, like, daring to suck, actually the most fucking, like, universal genius idea comes out where you're just being stupid.

I've been daring to suck my whole life out, if I'm being honest.

If I was sitting in a studio and I was writing, I mean, I could. 360 Apple, whatever. But since you said it, I love it. I don't care. And I would be like, guys, what about this? I love it. I don't care. I wouldn't have the confidence to be like, yeah, I think that's gonna work. You know what I mean?

And that's it, right? It's like, commitment to the bit, you know? That's all it is. It's like, if I came to you guys with my tail between my legs and sung those words, fucking whatever. But if I, like, tell you, no, this is, like, fucking the shit. And it's so good. And, like, it's. Even if you think it's dumb, it's like, that's the point.

I'm so inspired by you right now.

It is. I mean, I am, too.

Like, where did you get that from?

Charlie?

Yeah. And that's a great environment to provide for the people around you like that. You must. You must enjoy that leadership position of creating harmony in your work so it feels safe and there's no bad ideas. We can be foolish.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, I think. Yeah, it's fun. I think there's this idea that I sometimes disagree with, that making good art has to be hard. And sometimes I really disagree with that. But sometimes I'm like, no, I'm in paint and I'm a real artist. And I like to kind of pendulum swing between both of those things. But I don't know. I think. Yeah, it's funny. I'm always very. I have always been very interested in, like, the connectivity between high and low. That's always just been, like, something that's been really inspiring to me. And I think that whole, like, daring to suck mentality, it's very sort of like, I don't know, like, factory war. Holy. In a way, it's like, paint the soup. Just fucking paint it.

Yeah. Well, what I think that it's also about the idea of, like, I remember having this teacher once, years ago, telling me, like, art is absence of ego. Like, if you can get to the place where you're not judging it in real time, where you can let go and you guys know what it means, too, when you're doing what we do or whatever, where you can get to that place where you're not judging it and you're just in the. For lack of a better word, flow, and you're just in that thing, that.

Pocket when you need those, too, the people you're around. Yes. And it's.

Yeah. Yes. And you can kind of. And like, you don't worry about it. You're not worried about the result of it. You're not thinking about how it's coming across.

You're not thinking.

You get out of the results. And just then those moments are magic.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I totally agree. And what I also think. And I'm not sure if you guys feel this way, but I think the second I try and write for someone else or to appeal to lots of people.

Yes.

It's like everything kind of falls apart. And actually, it's like that more like potent vision where maybe you're even just like selfishly writing for yourself really directly about your experience or your experience with one friend or whatever it is, the more kind of potent and distilled it is. It weirdly, actually then becomes something that more people can relate to because it's so singular, because you believe it and.

You'Re doing it for you. And what's funny is we live in this world increasingly because of whatever, social media, et cetera, where we do it, it is all about this sort of. There is so much feedback constantly on what we do, so it's harder and harder to get away from that. And what's funny is just hearing you say it is that we need to kind of reject that in order to make something really pure in that way. We need to reject the idea of what other people will like, even though the final product of what we do is for public consumption, for mass public consumption, too, you know, so it's kind of mask. So it's kind of contradictory to the exercise in a way. And yet that's the thing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It is a conflict for sure, with.

All the success you've had. Charlie. Like it. Three Grammys and one Grammy show in one year at the same show. That's crazy.

Yeah.

Three Grammys. What? And you. And like, I keep saying over and over, I'm just, like, so impressed by your talent at such a young age that you, somebody, your parents, you, whoever, encouraged you to keep going with that. And then now that you are older and knock on wood, hopefully wiser. What's the part of the music industry that shocked you the most? You know, once you were actually inside of it? You know, like, if you knew then.

What you know now just how no one really knows what they're doing.

Right.

You know? Yeah.

Isn't that the truth? That is the truth.

Like, everybody is. It's very funny. It's just sort of.

And you thought that you thought differently.

Yeah, I was like, oh, this must be run by, like, a really, like, tight ship of people who, like, know what's up and. No, you know, it's like, it's not really the case, nor is it, I think, ever the case in any sort of, like, creative field. It's like, the artists know what they're doing, and then hopefully you have people with brains to facilitate you. And they're not too annoying, really. It's like, kind of the vibe, right?

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

It's funny. Do you feel like they're, like, kind of also you create the stuff and then the business sort of reacts to it? They're much more reactionary, rather. Right. And then they're always trying to recreate with other people, like, that whole idea.

Yeah. And you know what? Like, I think when I was younger, that used to really bother me. But I think now, you know, it does. And I think that's just. Obviously, that's just the way it is. It's like, I couldn't be a record label exec. Like, I couldn't work at a distribution company. It's like, that's not the brain that I have. I have a different kind of brain where I'm like, why don't we fly planes through the sky that say, brat Summer or whatever? It's like. And then they figure out how to do it. I don't know. It's like. But I did used to be sort of frustrated by, why can't you all be on my page with my ideas? But actually, that would be a nightmare. Cause then it'd be less about me, which would be awful.

Right, right, right. All right. Do you remember the first time you walked on stage and felt like, the wall of sound coming at you and, like, wow. Like, just that feeling of, like, was It. Were you scared? You're like, oh, shit. I didn't think it was gonna be like this or.

That's too many people.

Yeah, exactly.

No, I think because my career was such a slow burn, like, when I started, when I was. I was playing to, like, rooms of three people. And that was like, my two parents and the promoter. Do you know what I mean? I was welcoming more people, in a way. And over the past sort of 10, 15 years, it's really grown gradually and gradually and gradually from 100 cap rooms to 1000 rooms to 5000 cap rooms to now finally being in arenas. And the first time when I did step out into playing an arena, I just remember being like, well, there's gonna be no one there. Like, and it's. All the tickets have been bought by bots. Like, that is what I convinced myself in my mind. I was like, no, it's gonna be so embarrassing. All the tickets are gone, but they're all bots. Like, just, you know. And so it was. It was like, a really pleasant surprise.

Right, right.

That's great. On this film, was it just purely for, like, a musical film to sort of augment the musical venture and all that stuff, or was there a bit of an acting sort of curiosity there, too? And if so, do you see that being a part of your world going forward?

Yeah, I've been acting a little bit now and producing.

You liking it?

Honestly, I love it. I mean, I feel like it was funny. It's like once my album Brat did well, there was obviously this opportunity for me to just make another album exactly like that and kind of gain, like, capitalize on it.

Sure.

And for me, I've always had this sort of motto of, like, what would Chloe Sevigny do? And I feel like what she would have done would just be like. Like, no.

That's really funny.

It's a great title to your new album.

Yeah, well, it's like, she's the coolest.

And it's like.

I think she would just probably be like, no, I quit music, you know? So I was kind of like, okay. I think I would like to sort of do some kind of a drastic pivot where I. Yeah, I kind of explore acting. I mean, I'm watching films, like, all the time, like, more than I've ever listened to. I basically never listen to music apart from, like, Lou Reed and, like, the Velvet Underground and, like, John Cale's solo stuff. That's, like, kind of it.

Yeah.

Right.

But I'm, like, watching a lot of films all the time.

Do you Have a favorite this year?

Favorite film this year? Yeah, yeah, that I've seen. I just watched Surat the other night.

And I want to see that.

I was like. I want to say that, too.

It was really, really, really, really amazing. Really amazing. I also love this film, Atropia, which is this film by Haley Gates, who is. And Callum Turner is in it. And it's like a really. It's like very, very, like, funny, like, satire on that sort of, like, fake military zone that they have.

That sounds great.

It's great. It's really great, I wanna say. But, yeah, so I'm kind of, like, really enjoying watching. So I kind of sort of started asking, like, a few of my friends who are either, like, directors or writers, like, do you think I could kind of do this? And they were like, yeah, but, like, don't be embarrassing about it. Like, you don't want to be, like, the girl who's like, I'm an actress now.

So I was like, yeah, no, no. I bet you'd be great. You have a great presence.

I agree. I think your approach artistically, the way that you look at stuff, I think is really appropriate for, I think.

Well, thanks. Yeah. I mean, I was interested in just doing, like, small things, you know, So I was really lucky to kind of. I did, like, this Greg Araki movie that I'm, like, super excited about. I'm really excited to work with Takashi Miike this year on this film that I'm gonna produce, which is, like, crazy to me to, like, go to Japan and shoot with, like, a horror auteur. I'm like, this is insane. So, yeah, I'm really enjoying it. I'm really enjoying it.

Total, like, crazy segue to nothing. But I just wanted to mention this. I thought it was so wild that you had an angel phone. Is that true? Where fans could call a number and you would actually answ at any time of the day.

No way.

Is that true?

Yeah, you know, it didn't last long. Cause it was a nightmare.

I'm sure, like, five minutes in.

Yeah.

Yeah, it was good for, like, a good solid, you know, like five hours. But it was stacked. Slammed, slammed, slammed. But you guys should do one of them, you know, one day for an hour.

Yeah, it'd be fine.

We'd be sitting by the phone. It would not ring. It'd be so embarrassing.

Then it would be one call with a bunch of. All right, you guys here. It would be my to fix.

And the last thing I read. That's really interesting. That's a little like me. But you have 14 alarm times saved on your phone. But none of them are on.

I've got that.

Yeah. I'm never really putting them on.

So is it like, how does that mean?

What do you mean you don't believe in alarms? What's the deal?

I don't know. It's not sort of a political stance. It's more just like, I just, I generally like, I do kind of wake up roughly at the same time. Unless I've been partying and then I might put an alarm on, you know.

Right, right, right.

What's the time? What's the time you generally wake up?

It really depends if I've been traveling on. I'm a bit jet lagged at the moment, so I'm waking up at 7, which is very early for me. Yeah, that's like. Normally I'm like a 9:30 kind of girl.

So you're going to bed, you're going to bed at, at 2 or 3 in the morning?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I remember those.

Yeah, you should. Yeah, me too.

Hey, what, what about travel? How do you, how do you like that part of the business? Because it is a necessary component.

You must be on the road all the time.

Yeah.

You have to tour, right? You can't just sell albums.

I hate touring. I hate touring and I really do it in quite a specific way where I think compared to a lot of my peers, I'm not really doing that much touring. My husband's in a band and they tour so much like all the time. I think their last album they toured for like two years or something like that, which is like, just not an option for me.

But you'll go with them? Yeah, for a bit. Sometimes you gotta pop in every once in a while.

Pop in? I'll pop in on like the coastal cities, you know, But I'm. Yeah, I'm not like, I'm not like on the bus, which is.

And what about him?

We'll, we'll hit for my sister, for, for Jason and my sister. George Daniel is the 1975. That's the band.

Oh my gosh.

Roger. Roger. Okay, and then what? He will, he will reciprocate and he'll come see you every once in a while when you're doing some touring.

Yes, exactly. But he, it's kind of, I think a bit harder for him because he's sort of like a 6 foot 4 bald man and my fans are all a lot shorter than that. And so it's very like easy for him to be like spotted when he's sort of bopping around, so. Yeah, but it's sweet. We do. Yeah, we switch, swap. We go back and forth.

Who are the musicians that you listen to when you're growing up that you like? What was the pop. Pop music. Pop music or any kind of music? Who are the bands that inspired you?

I was pretty, like, diverse. I mean, I think when I was a lot younger, I was very into, like, Britney and the Spice Girls. That was definitely my bread and butter. And then as I got a bit older, I was really into the Cure to Kate Bush, to Suis and the Banshees, like, that kind of a world. And then I got very into, like, French electro kind of stuff, like Daft Punk and Justice and, like, that kind of world. So sort of all over the shop, really.

And I have a question about touring, because these people.

I like French music, too.

Same.

You do? What do you.

Yeah, I listen to, like, La Femme. I love that band, La Femme. I think that they're really cool.

Charlie, what's the big. Okay, Are we done with that?

Thank you, Sean.

Sorry.

Yeah, no, just keep going.

Sorry, man. I didn't know I was boring.

You didn't want to hear about La Farm anymore?

I was. I was ready to go there, actually, but no, well, another time.

No, go.

There Are a Lot of Animals.

A great song called Tatiana. It's an amazing song by La Farm. It's just an absolute banger.

Oh, yeah, no, tell us more about that.

Charlie, before you go, I want to know the big. When you were touring, the biggest onstage flub or concert blooper or whatever that you just will never forget. Like something that just went totally wrong.

He loves his stage stories.

I love my stage stories.

Oh, my gosh.

Like a fan that did something or a song that you screwed up or something.

I can't. I don't know. I'm not sure I've had any really disastrous on stage moments where I've really, like, fallen. I mean, I've definitely fallen, but not in a way that I've found embarrassing or anything like that, but I do. I used to get a lot of strange gifts from fans, and I think those will always stick with me. My two favorites were I Got a Douche, which I was asked to sign.

You're welcome.

And then I also received a jar of somebody's mother's ashes as a necklace.

Oh, wow.

And I did exactly that. Well, I went. Oh, didn't really. I wanted to. To be grateful and not offensive, but also was terrified. So it was, you know, so those Memories will always stick to me.

What about dancing and singing at the same time? I always marvel at how you guys don't run out of breath. Cause you have to have a lot of breath to sing. Well, yet you've got to keep moving.

Not even just dancing, just moving around.

Yeah. I mean. Okay, so, Jason, like, one thing about me is I don't really, like, dance. You'll go away.

You have that in common with Jason.

I'm gonna do a deep dive, and then I'm gonna call. I say, God damn it, can we do this over? But see, this is what's so great about these things. You know, we get to become smarter. We're so less people.

Exactly, exactly, exactly. No, my dancing is very. It's sort of like a lot of, like, flailing, and it's very kind of. It's not very coordinated.

You're the Thom Yorke of.

Yeah, I mean, not far off. It's very kind of like that. It's possession vibes. For me. It's less. I'm not as, like, poised as most, so I. I get the benefit of being able to sort of just. Yeah. I. I don't have to, like, hit marks and do choreo. I'm more just sort of flailing around, so it's a little easier for me.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, listen, Charlie xcx, Which, now that I know where the name comes from, it makes you. Me love you more. Well, I'll. I'll clue you in later.

Yeah, I don't.

I don't care. I love it. I want to say that.

I want to say.

No, and I want to say. Say. I'm so. I'm such an even bigger fan. You're. Yeah. You're so cool.

Oh, thanks.

I listen to your music when I go on walks all the time.

I'm gonna listen to it even more now with just, like, more depth, with just knowing a little bit more about you. I just think you're awesome. Yeah.

You were awesome. Thank you so much.

And just for. Am I getting this right? The moment is. It's out now. By the time this episode comes out. It's out now. I don't know. Maybe. Yeah, I'm sure. Well, it was released January 30th. Yeah. This is the mockumentary.

Okay.

Absolutely. Adore you. I think you're the coolest chick ever. I. I want to be you for Halloween.

Oh, thanks, guys.

Thank you for doing this.

Yeah. Okay.

Thank you very much.

Have a great night.

Bye. Bye. Bye.

Bye.

Bye.

What a nice person.

Well, she is. Something else.

You missed a real good first half.

I know. I'm so. You got.

You got to listen to this episode, Willie.

I can't. Wait, Wait, no. Every. This is.

You're in the episode.

I've had one of those episode where they go. Where they go. You know what? It's better without him.

Yeah. No, I told you.

A R came in. Like, just talk about it. Talk about an impressive artist and person and just. Right.

Life and just like. Yeah, she's one of those. Like. What is that? How do you describe that?

She's got it.

Probably not her first lap.

No.

But, you know, if you. If you believe in that sort of old soul thing, you know, like, some people have been around a few times.

Yes. And. Exactly. And, you know, and it's not just she's not polished. She's so real and authentic.

That's why people are drawn to her.

Yeah. It's amazing.

No filter, just unapologetic. I love her.

I know.

When we were talking before Willie about songs that I love her albums, especially off of Brat.

Here we go.

Listen to all the hits.

Sure. I want you to go down the list.

Did anything pop out to you?

Yeah, well, Von Dutch. Talk Talk. You know, Apple was huge. Like, all those songs.

But your favorite would be.

And Brad, of course. But my favorite was on the deluxe version that I was showing Jason about. It's called hello Good, Goodbye, Everybody.

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