Transcript of HARDER | The Steve Dangle Podcast

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Steve Dangle, Adam Wilde and Jesse Blake.

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No, not always. Sometimes I think people find it quite annoying.

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Later on this episode, we're gonna have Matt. Cindy, what we're all very excited about, Matt's is doing.

This is the only podcast he's doing.

No, he's not doing in all of hockey.

There are none. Don't google it. It's just this one.

So we got a Matt said Dean interview coming up a little bit later in the show. I think it only is right and fair, and honestly, I don't think you can ignore this story. The Blue Jackets played their home opener yesterday and did a lot of things about as well as you can do theme, starting with the Johnny Goudreau five and a half minute tribute video. Johnny and Matthew Goudreau. Excuse me. And I have to say, I said to Steve and Jesse a couple hours before that, I'm like, I don't think I can watch this. Like, I'm one of those guys that, like, intentionally avoids emotional television. So I watched.

You should work through that.

I know I watched. And I could not believe how good that reel was. That five minutes and 30 seconds. It was amazing.

I. So my introduction to it was, I was at the book signing while it was going on, and I read in the CJ show group chat, and everyone's basically like, I don't know how they're gonna play a game after this.

Yeah.

And then my wife, who did see it, described it to me, and I'm like, I'm not watching that. I can't do that.

Yeah. Yeah. And I get it. Some people can. Some people can't. I watched. I tell you, it's worth it.

I saw parts of it.

The strength of their family to just walk out there and when they're raising the jersey to the rafter and all that, and it's such a, like, I don't know how they're able to, like, stand and just be there in front of everybody. It's incredible.

Yes.

You know, the strength for. To do something.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah. So there was that Frank, the Sean.

Monahan to play a game, like.

Yeah.

I don't. I don't understand.

Yeah. And then so the teams, obviously, the. The Blue Jackets, put four guys on the ice, and there was a spotlight where Johnny would have been the first 13 seconds ticked off the clock in honor of Johnny. Both teams observed that it will be on the score sheet forever. That 13 seconds, which I thought was really, really cool. And, and obviously, I think the best moment of the night was Sean Monahan scoring and pointing directly at the rafters.

Love that.

It was cool. That was cool. And honestly, I think Pete Blackburn tweeted. He's like, yeah, monahan was a lock for a goal tonight. Yeah. He had to score. Like, that's going to happen. It has to.

Did you see the face off stat? It was, it was, he was something like 20 for 26. Oh, in the end, which is. Or 21 or something, I want to say he like tied a blue jacket's record or something like that for face ops one in a game. Face offers it. Like he just, he went off. Yeah, he was, he's unbelievable.

Yeah. So it was a beautiful way to pay tribute to Johnny and Matthew and obviously their family as well. And I thought, I thought, man. Okay, so this was emotional. The game between Columbus and Calgary in early December is going to be, I think might be double right because you got both teams right. And I think that is the, that's the part of this that is, is going to be, you know, when we talked about the story, I think in September, it was sort of like, well, we know we're going to have to follow this for a while. And, and I, I look at Johnny Matthews family and Jesse, you mentioned it a second ago. To go through deaths like that and then have to, I guess they had a choice to not, but then to go and participate in the memory of their partner, I think it's tremendous. And I think then I look at this Calgary Columbus game and they're going to have to go or they may have to go and do it again. You know, maybe there's some joy in that, but I can't imagine it's easy.

It, it happened absurdly recently.

Yeah.

Like at this point, like, what are we talking, six weeks?

Oh, man. Not even. Maybe I don't. Yeah.

Yeah, and like I was gonna say, at some point you're gonna want to stop. Maybe you don't. I don't know. Yeah, like everyone processes everything a little differently. I don't know how, how you handle that one. The face off stat that I butchered. This is from Aaron Portsline. How dialed was Sean Monahan last night? He won 20 of 26 face offs, tied for the second most face off single game in franchise history, per the NHL. Only Sammy Paulson, 21 in 2009 versus Anaheim, has won more.

Wow.

So he went off. He had, I mean, one of the best face off nights in blue jackets history, and he scored a goal.

I remember Sammy Paulson. I'd forgotten about.

I loved Sammy Paulson. He was a real key part of that. Zero seven ducks run.

Oh, there you go.

Yeah. Really good.

Good defensive set.

And the blue, blue jackets themselves and what they did with nationwide arena just for the night, like, they did an incredible job putting up tributes throughout the entire arena and allowing fans to continue the memorials that they've been leaving for the Goodreau family. So I thought that was really, it was really well done overall by the organization, and they're also selling shirts and pucks that 100% of proceeds go to charity. So I thought the Blue Jackets did a fantastic job overall for the entire night.

The love you Johnny chants were very cool, too. Yeah. So well done to the Columbus Blue Jackets organization. Just a really touching tribute. Done so, so well. So, so hard to do those tributes. It's so, so hard so to pull it off the way that they did in that. And you said, steve, what was it, six? It was right before camp. It might have been four weeks ago. So to be able to pull that off, plan that out and, and have the, like, I don't think we've ever seen that in NHL history, where four guys get on the ice and they, and they let the clock tick for 13 seconds. Like, you know, the, the planning and the. I guess the way that they've honored this guy, I don't know, just was blown away. Really was. Really was.

And, like, classy of the Panthers.

Yeah. Oh, like, nice.

Not that they wouldn't do it, but, like, they don't have quite the same connection, obviously.

Okay. Matthew Kachuks on yeah, there are players.

On, on the Panthers, obviously, Bennett as well, and that there might be others, but this is, this is kind of a uniquely Calgary columbus thing, or at least as the focal point. So for them to take a proactive role, and it was. I mean, yeah, it's the epitome of clients. Right.

They both wore the Gujarat during warmup. Like, both, both teams did that. And I think it's because it's, it's a hockey story. You know, it affected the entire community of hockey, not just each team or the people that knew Goodreau. It was the entire hockey world and the entire sporting world as a whole, like you saw in the international coverage of this at every moment. That's, it's just going to continue throughout the season as, as it's deserved. To. Because the lasting memory needs to go on. Of the impact that the Goodreau's had on hockey.

Absolutely.

I haven't wrapped my head around it.

Yeah. No. Like, it's difficult.

It was not a. Not a reminder, but, like, I haven't processed that he's gone. And, like, seeing the clips that I did, which was obviously not all of them, I was still having difficulty, like, what do you mean he's not here? You know, like there's. There's just a underlying.

It still feels unbelievable that this tragedy happened.

Yeah. And like I said, it just. It just happened.

Yeah.

Like.

Yeah. First week of September.

Yeah. So Monahan scoring. That was beautiful. And, and obviously we're going to continue to follow this as it goes. But I thought I. It would be a good transition to. Because these, these are always tough subjects to transition out of. I thought it would be a good transition to talk about the Calgary Flames and, hey, the Calgary Flames, ladies and gentlemen. Don't look now. They're four. And. Oh, and Craig Conroy. This is according to Pierre LeBron on, on Insider trading with, I don't know, some guy named Chris Johnson. You ever heard of him?

No.

Yeah. Anyway, LeBron related to Mike said on insider trading that guys like Uyghur, Coleman, Cadre, those are guys that are not going to be sold off. They recognize as some bottoming out teams do not that you're going to need to have guys around that are veteran guys, that when the new guys come in, there's going to be, there's going to need to be a turnaround and there's going to be. Need to be some veteran presence in the room. And Cadre was on the other side of this in Toronto, knows what it's like. And I think to a lesser extent, so does Mackenzie Weaver and Blake Coleman because, you know, Mackenzie Weaker was on some bad Panthers teams and then some good Panthers teams.

Well, and Coleman's a double cup champion.

Exact. So you want. Exactly. So you want that. And I just thought, what a difference from a year ago. Now whenever Craig Conroy says, I'm not gonna. I have.

He's about to.

I have a hard time believing it now. Why. Let's talk about last season and put that into context a little bit.

Sure.

So.

Oh, well, just. They were in every trade rumor. Every trade rumor. And.

And they started the year off going, we're not selling.

Yeah, we're not selling and we're not doing this. And I don't know where this is coming from. Zidorov's agents traded Zidor off to the Leafs.

Yeah.

And Craig Conroy said, alas not, and he marched to the beat of his own drum. This, I mean, it feels, it feels like a couple things, and I wonder which one it is. Truly, flames were horrible last year. Obviously, they shouldn't have been that horrible. They shouldn't have been playoff team. They should at least be in the hunt. They weren't in the hunt. So what is this 40 start? Is this a regression to the mean and this is closer to what they actually are? Or is it the season just got away from them? As it gets away from a team, sometimes every year there's a team that stumbles out of the gate a little bit and then they hit a ruthen. And when they hit a rut, they cannot get themselves out of it. I think it was philly a few years ago, won ten straight games, and then they hit a rut and they missed the playoffs entirely. Like it's, you're just spinning your tires. Did that happen to the flames last year? And is this hot start going to cure what ails them? And it was just a mindset thing and everything's going to be fine.

You know who else had that? The Jetse. We were talking about the Winnipeg jets. Like they were going to sell off. They were going to completely strip the car.

Yeah.

Down to the frame.

Yep.

And they doubled down on the core in basically every way, shape and form. And look at them. They're good. They're good. They've had strong regular seasons. Okay, playoffs not so much, but they've had strong regular seasons. And they're obviously a team that they shouldn't have sold on the.

Right.

Maybe that's what the Flames are, right?

Yes. Yeah.

Ish. Well, I'm still not sold on the goaltending, but, yeah, we'll see.

And I look at, I look at a guy like Jonathan Huberto, six points in four games. Jonathan Huberto, three goals. Oh, man. How about that? Listen, I don't think Flames fans are upset about that contract if, if that's the pace he's going to score at this year.

I'm subscribed to this newsletter that updates me daily on how well Jonathan Hubert. Oh, no, that's just Alan texting.

Jesse. What are you looking at?

Just the flames lines where he's sitting.

Right. So where do, where do you, when you look at the Flames, is this, I mean, listen, it's the first ten games, and so we're going to have fun stories like this. Their strength of schedule, I mean, they just beat the Blackhawks, they beat the just awful Edmonton Oilers, who are next up on the. What's going on in the NHL? The Flyers and the Canucks. So the first game. Canucks. That's a good team.

Yes.

Beat him six five. They are missing their starting goaltender.

Yeah. They don't know that yet. They don't know that. They're good.

They haven't figured that out. They forgot the flyers. Not great team. Oilers. Not playing like a great team. Blackhawks, understandably not a great team. So I don't know. They're not. They. They seem not to have, like, the Kraken should be good. That's who they're playing next on Saturday.

Okay.

Then they're gonna play the penguins, who are mid.

Are we talking about the flames of the Oilers?

The flames.

Oh, okay.

And then they're gonna play the Hurricanes, who are good, and then the jets, who are very good.

We're gonna find out what they are pretty quick. I love this pause missile kid. Jesse has the. Has the lineup right now.

The line combination.

The line combination. Sorry. Yesterday was a very long day. I. Sometimes there needs to be a master and sensei sort of thing, and a postpocell seems to really, really enjoy the role of shithead. And sharing a locker room with Nazam cadre. You are about to get a hell of an apprenticeship. You're going to figure it out, and you're going to be a nightmare for years to come. Young man. I like that guy.

Yeah. They've been searching for a center that'll unlock Huberto for the last few years, since he. Since he's gotten there, really, and possibly might be the guy. Like, they might have found some sort of magic there with Huberto. So, like, you keep running this out like, there's no complaints right now from the Calgary Flames. And this might be a thing that works this season, because Calgary wasn't as bad as they were on the standings chart as they were last year. Their underlying numbers were decent. They were a lot better than it looked on paper here.

Can you scroll up just a tad?

Sure.

Just so we can have the fourth line on screen, I need to know if Matt Coronado has a nickname, and the reason I need to know that is their fourth line might be the best nickname line in the NHL because Ryan Lomberg is the Lomborghini, which is. That's elite. It's top.

Great name. Yep.

Top five. But Justin Kirkland.

Gotta be Costco.

It's Costco.

Yeah. Gotta be.

His nickname is Costco. And that guy who I think was drafted second round 2014. Just scored his first NHL goal. Like, one. One of the. One of the better stories of the opening week. You know, there's always that, who the hell is this guy?

Yeah. Yeah.

Um, and who the hell is that guy? Finally makes an NHL team. He's played a couple cups of coffee in the NHL, and he finally gets his first goal.

There's.

There's some great vibes going on in Calgary right now.

Yeah.

They're having a really good time. Just ride it, man.

The thing, too, is they're doing all this without Sharon Govich, who had found some pretty good chemistry with Huberto at the end of the season last year.

They're the every team in the NHL, almost every team in the NHL could conceivably make the playoffs if everything goes right. Right.

And then it never does. Know why we default to teams that have depth.

Except for the Ducks.

Except for the Ducks, yes. And the flames are not. I mean, to me, one of those teams that can survive an injury like that and be okay to go 40 without this guy is. Yeah, that's pretty good. You like that? That's pretty good. I didn't think they were capable of it.

Now on the other side of. Of this is the Edmonton Oilers, who. Man, they look like last year's Edmonton Oilers.

Like, frustrated, undisciplined, disconnected. That dry sidle cross check on. I don't remember who it was.

I mean, they won.

I mean, I think. I wonder if being cup or bust. I mean, okay. I think there's a couple things with them. The complete cupper bus mentality. Last year, you learned you can have a terrible start and get away with it.

Yeah.

And also, they're still, like, one thing I think their cup run made us lose sight of is they are deeply flawed. They're still, like.

They're perhaps more flawed this year than they were last year.

Oh, yeah.

On defense, crazy, crazy depth up front.

That somehow got better. It's not fair. It's not normal. It's not. Okay. They're going to rip shit up this year. Assuming they get some, like, moderate health, they're going to be monstrous. It's a house of horror back there. Well, it's. Dude, outside of Echo and Bouchard, that's.

A world to hurt. It's good you guys were making fun of that Connor stat. But Connor Brown scored, making him the fourth Connor to score in an Edmonton Oilers game before Connor McTavit.

That's. That's psychotic.

So you know what you guys thought. How, how is it on the deserved interesting meter now.

Oh, I think it's. It's up to a four.

Okay, maybe.

No, no, no, no, you're right. That's a six. That's a six.

Thank you.

Passing grade.

Not really.

What? There's four that have scored in Edmonton Oilers games. In four games. You just sound like Connor McDavid.

Sound like a bleacher report open ice graphic.

So what?

Damn.

What? They do numbers, Jesse. Thank numbers.

Thanks tips.

You know what?

Fine.

You know what they do do numbers.

They do numbers. Okay. No hate on them, but it's good.

But it's cheap.

All right, you know what? Fine, fine. I'll just be over here. I won't say anything. I won't bring up any more Connor stats.

They've. They've just been like really easily rattle able, you know?

What do you think that is? Like, I look at Troy stature, who dressed yesterday.

Yep.

Did not play in the run very much at all. Like was leaped, leapfrogged by like Phil Broberg.

I know a lot of people like that guy. Like, does he make most NHL rosters?

I don't know.

I don't think so.

So and then you've got. So your Atcombe Bouchard Darnell nurse stature. Like that echo Bouchard is insane. That's an insane, insane, great, awesome Darnell nurse. Troy stetcher, modern Brett Kulak, Ty Emerson. And Ty Emerson, they're high on, but he's 22.

Like, I think there was also a weird amount of turnover there. And we expect them to score a billion goals, but, like, they're not gonna yet. Jeff Skinner's gotta settle in. Victor Arvidson's gotta settle in. Stature basically didn't play with the team. Emberson is new. There's, you know, Henryk's role I assume is changing because you're no longer rental guy. You're here for the long haul guy that also goes with Corey Perry. You're adjusting to life without Evander Cain who, even though he's playing hurt, they did have. And I'm also just not convinced they're healthy. So I think that's what's going on. And they what they. This falls on Chris Knoblock to get their heads on right and be like, guys, I know you can't win the cup right now, right this second, but I need you to. I was gonna say dig in.

Dig the fuck in.

I don't think McDavid loves that clip.

Well, he should. It's fucking awesome.

He should. It's fucking awesome. But people are using it against him slowly.

Oh, he should stay off social media.

He's gotta find a way to make, make the beginning of the school year interesting, right? If that. And you can't just cram for the exam.

I know there's some guffaws about Troy Stetcher being in the lineup and all that fun stuff, but I think last night he had a serious impact on the game, and it wasn't through anything hockey related. He fought. Who was it? I wanted to look up and see. We fought. It was Sean Couturier. When he fought him late in the third period. Midway through after that, the Oilers came together and scored a couple goals and they won the game.

That's such a big fight.

It's stupid that these things have an impact on hockey players who should be up for every game. Because you are a professional athlete being paid millions of dollars to play in this game. You shouldn't need extra motivation from Troy Stetcher fighting Sean Coutturier, but it seemed to work. It's human nature, stature and Corey Perry both fought. Like, those are two guys who are vets who know this team needs some sort of motivation. Leon drysidles being an idiot, taking cross checks, and he's getting benched. And we fought a couple of guys, and now they're kind of rejuvenated. They go on to win the game.

Like, it's, it's nice that he's like, okay, I'm going to take initiative here, but I think someone's got to look down the bench and be like, leon shouldn't be in the box right now. Someone else has got to be doing it. And they got big old goon troy stature gooning it up. Oh, wait, sorry. He's five foot ten, 184.

Yeah.

There's a guy who's not Matt rempy sized who's like, I'm going to take this into my own hands along with corey perry and get these guys remote and the dry saddle thing, like, dry cell shouldn't be doing that. Like, there's a reason nablock benched him for, for the cross check. And after that, him and Connor set up bouchard for the game. Tie in goal. He scores the overtime winner. Like, everything's kind of like, okay, turning a page here, and it's after we have this mess, you, I don't know if it's rock bottom, but they have a mess mid game. Well, and by the end of it, everything is good. Cause they got the two points. Edmonton's kind of coming up by the end of everything.

When I went to bed mitch kov had scored, and the goal counted, and they were losing. And I was like, I might be waking up to rock bottom when I saw they won. They got the OT winner. I saw it.

Yeah.

Oh, man. Poor Sammy Urson. I stopped McDavid on a break. Fuck.

I still don't think in any normal, normal circumstance, Orson should be starting for the flyers on regular basis. Like, it's crazy that he's still in there, but, like, that's what happens when you have the two best players on planet Earth. You know, by the time this thing is over, they might have turned it around, and they did. Halfway through the game. Well, really? In the third period, and they get the two points.

The. I. I'm glad they won, because the. I think there might have been a riot of just blue and orange outside of NHL headquarters. Like, for, like, goalie interference challenges. If there's. If there's any team where I'm like, yeah, no, you have free reign to complain about every goalie interference challenge ever. It's the Oilers. I'm still not over 2017. I'm right there with you. That was stupid.

I think it's four now. They've had goals over.

Yeah. And Mitch Cobb's counted, right?

Yeah.

So is Mitch coffee. Does Mitch cop count in that? Like, is it just challenges failed?

I don't. I don't know.

I don't know either way. I don't know either way that that kid looks like a problem.

Holy shit.

But if. If they had lost that game, I think we're having a much more stern conversation.

Yeah.

Edmonton.

I think. I think it's still so early. You pull this one out, you grit through it where you should probably shouldn't have won this game, which is a positive sign moving forward for the rest of the week. You know? Like, absolutely. The good thing here that they were able to pull it through, and it's.

Stupid things that galvanize you. It can be a fight.

It could be you too.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Could be you too.

They can say you can't go to a YouTube concert, and all of a sudden, you win 13 straight games or whatever.

Yeah. They could say you're shit in the playoffs, in arbitration, and then all of a sudden, bam.

Last year you are.

Last year, we were ready to riot because the Leafs let the Bruins push them around. And who got in the first fight after that to say, screw it, I'm done with this bullshit? We were in the building for it. The oldest player in the National Hockey League. Marg Giordano.

Yes. Yes.

He fought Dakota Joshua, which is actually.

That's insane. Yeah.

Not to bring it back to the Leafs, but I'm slowly learning. Like, Ryan Reeves is kind of important.

To the whole thing.

We harp on Matthews and Marner and Nylander and Riley, even because of their lack of that part of the game, the thing that Reeves brings to the locker room. So just. There's a reason they keep people like him and Jason Spetzo, when he was here for a long time, he was kind of that guy. There's a reason these guys have jobs and they're also competent NHL players.

I think we've always known the role that Reeves plays and how important it is. It's. It's important to note he was especially bad when he was scratched. People weren't like, he doesn't bring value. They were like, we know exactly what his value is, and he's just a decided net negative. Every time he's on the. It was like every game they were getting scored on, it was brutal. This year. Yeah, they're down one. Nothing with him on the ice, but the expected goals is crazy. The fourth line, like, analytical darling Ryan.

Reed watching the game and the underlying numbers. The fourth line looks fabulous.

Yeah, they're fine. They're fine. So I think people are. They're. They're on board.

Right? There's. There's a point where you're so bad on the ice that you. Whatever you bring off the ice doesn't matter.

You know, it justify having him out there.

No.

Like, in what? Whatever it was November.

Right. But it's an all encompassing role. You know, it's. You got to take everything into the table here, like how you are in the locker room, how you are on the ice, and how that affects everything. So a guy like Troy Stetcher, a guy like Corey Perry, if they're doing these extra things for the Edmonton Oilers, they got a place in the lineup 100%. Yep.

And again, they're going to be fine.

Yeah.

Everybody in sports net picked them to win the Stanley cup, so they're not going to be wrong.

That was. No, they never are.

There never are bad.

It's so crazy. Pick the team that went to game seven.

What a bold pick.

It's crazy.

I hated that.

I didn't mind it. I was like, I get it.

You know who hated it? Oilers fans. No, shut up.

Don't love us. Oilers fans are interesting that way. They're like. They're like, like, we love our fan group, but you can't be a. Yeah.

Half those guys live in Toronto. Fuck you. Yeah.

I just wanted a collection of, like, 20 NHL writers to be a little more creative in their pick.

Well, there were a few.

There was like, four.

Well, dude, I think they're gonna win.

Yeah.

I don't know, but I don't know. You're asking me to ignore all my instincts and the evidence of my eyes and ears.

I guess I don't. That's fair. I don't know.

No, you know what? Kings.

Who was your cup pick?

I can't even.

I don't think you made one.

I don't know if I made one.

I don't think we made them publicly on the show.

Right?

Yeah. I. I mean, it's. I mean, I'll tell you this. Four games in, I know Florida has lost games, but the two games, they've beaten Boston. They've really beaten Boston.

They don't like each other.

No, they don't. But, like, you know, and it's funny because I was watching last night, I was watching the. The Amazon prime face off thing because Natalie hadn't seen it yet. So I was like, okay, I'll through another watch through this. And the Matthew Kaczak Jeremy Swamon episode is awesome. And Matthew, like, when you see some of the highlights, like Sam Bennett pushing. Who did. Which defenseman did he push into? Swayman? And they're like, yeah. That's not goaltender interference. What? It very clearly was.

Oh, man. I do. We talked about that.

I don't think it matters.

It's fine.

I looked at Natalie in that. I'm like, listen, if the Leafs had scored the extra two goals they needed to win, Florida was going to fucking run them over, kill them. Because you look at the way constraint did match Boston physically, I thought in that series, much better than they ever had.

Toronto was close to Boston. Boston wasn't close to Florida.

That's right. And I think, by the way, I think we'll talk about the Leafs a little bit later. But I do think the Leafs are much more physical already this year when it comes to that. I feel like the Panthers are Stanley cup hangover team in the sense that. Does the first ten games matter? No, just get your wheels under you and. And get going. But there are certain games you get up for. And I look at the Florida Panthers playing the Boston Bruins and the Bruins playing Florida as hard as they did, and Florida still running them over in the regular season. Both teams got up for it.

And didn't they not have bark off?

Yeah. So this is the thing. Like, I was wondering how Florida would look without Brandon Montour. Oliver Ackman Larson with Toronto has been already a revelation. And it shows how we had nothing beyond Morgan Riley forever. Florida seems to be okay, and it shows how much deeper their defense core is. So I'm having a hard time betting against them.

That's your Stanley cup speaker?

Zero. Yeah, I'm having a hard time betting against Florida, but you know me. I never bet against the Toronto Maple Leaf, so. It's the Toronto Maple Leafs Stanley cup champions, you dumb.

Who's your pick?

They're. I mean, they got real close and I think they're better.

So, yeah, that's fair.

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Big save it.

David Phoenix Copley has been called up on emergency basis. Darcy Kemper's got an injury.

I go lightest.

Well, I just wondered like how many times did he dive across the net against the senators? I would probably get hurt too. Or at least pretend to be like, you need a day off after that.

Yeah, you, I don't understand. Like why did they let the sends hang eight on him? How don't you get pulled at some.

You would think big save day would go in, but it tells me some point that this was a big save. Dave scheduled start in Toronto because that game happened.

They had time off.

I know, but I feel like they're like we don't want to put Dave in. We wouldn't want to make Dave tired.

Like maybe they just, they wanted Kemper to get his eye in or something at the beginning of the season.

I don't know. I wouldn't leave a starter in for eight goals like that.

No, that's, that's, it's very prompted Patrick.

Wa to say, I'm never playing for the halves again.

Like it's very rare that a goalie does that and they're okay with it. Like I remember years ago Al Montoya, the, the Habs left him in for like ten because I think Price had to play the next night or something like that. That's, that's a bit different.

Game gets away from you. You're not the starter. But Kemper is supposed to be the starter.

Yes.

And, and Phoenix Copley, by the way, had a great season a couple years ago and somehow big, big save. Davis beat him in the order, which is.

No, he had a real good season last year. Really, really underrated.

Why was his worst year when he was traded to Toronto?

Because, okay, now, so just with Kemper like he, they got a point. That game, like they were, did get.

A point is why.

Like they were blown out at any point. The, the Kings were up and then the Suns came back and they, everybody went back and forth and they tied in, they went to overtime. So it's not like it was a typical I allowed eight goals game.

You allow your team allows eight goals. It's a little everybody's fault.

Exactly, exactly. I don't think we're just blaming the goalie there. And he had a good first two games before that, you know, so I think whatever he's dealing with probably just came up in practice or training or something like that.

And did he interact with anyone from the greater Toronto area? Because he's probably just ill. Yeah, like everyone else, man.

And they're also on a back to back, so we're probably gonna see big save and then Phoenix.

Oh, they're on a back to back here.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So they're actually really blessed with their schedule because they're getting the Eastern Conference road trip out of their way here really early. The canadian eastern part of the road trip. So they get this all done with. But the back to back is happening today and tomorrow. So we're probably going to see Dave and then Copley tomorrow for the first start of the season.

Thank you, reporter Jesse.

I like that. Now Joseph Wol was on the ice today. Hey, hurry. And he was taking shots. Jesse, you were there.

I was not.

No, no.

How is that supposed to help?

No, not today. I mean, you were there.

Wait.

Like puck gated and they hid him away.

Yes. So it's been a wild three days in Joseph volume. Practice land. If you want. It's gone.

Let's go live. Just Joseph will practice land.

Joseph Wolf.

I like that.

What's happening here? So on Monday, they hide him before.

Stop it scrubbing, Jesse.

They hide him from us. We get in there and he's skated before we all arrive. Tuesday, he's on the ice briefly when everybody's there, but then he leaves really quickly and he doesn't do a lot of work. And then today there's an optional skate at Scotiabank arena happening right now while we're recording. So I couldn't be there, obviously. But before that optional skate, Joseph Wall hit the ice and he did a little bit of drills and stuff. And what he's dealing with, Craig Brewbait is calling it lower body tightness. So that's what they keep telling us. That's, that's what it is. So today he was exercising the lower body tightness and seeing it and seeing it all stretch out. And he's still day to day, week to week and we're seeing how it goes day to day. So he's on the ice in front of everybody now. But before.

I wish. I wish there was a better phrase than lower body tightness. Maybe it's my chronically online self.

It's better than hard.

Chain better than hard. Is it though?

Lower body tightness. Dudes rock. Or is it Chris?

People in the comments were like, it's 100% the hardest.

You didn't clue in on enough in the Minnesota wild. Thing is, I said it, but when none of us had never clued in the hard is on a piece of wooden.

Yeah. Hardwood.

Yeah. We didn't go hard enough on that. So it's clearly they know what they're doing here.

So wait, we're sort of at the cross section of, like, two topics I want to talk about. I do want to get more into reporter Jesse, but also we.

Take the aside. Take the aside.

You want to do hardwood.

But we also have developments on the Minnesota part of it all.

Do you have an update on the hardwood chain?

There is a song. Right.

So what do we, what do we do first?

Well, let's talk about the chain. We're on the chain.

Yeah, we can.

We can at least are less interesting than this. I can.

We can divert to the chain for a little.

Yeah.

So, everybody, last show, we highlighted the Minnesota Wilds MVP chain. That is just a chain with a piece of wood on it that says hard. It's the hard wood. And I think it probably went to Philip Gustafson last night on account of he scored a goalie goal, which is ridiculous.

But that would be back to back hardwood.

They gotta get him to keep it. I guess he gets to give it to whoever he wants. But listen, there was a tv in the background of the video that we showed, and on that tv, there was a cowboy lying down seductively, and it appeared to be album art because they were playing music. And I said, what song is that? And it would appear that Internet sleuths found the answer to what song it was. Jesse. Adam, do one of you know the name of the song?

Jesse knows it.

I know the artist is Wheeler Walker Junior.

Mm hmm.

Mm hmm. I know you can say the song name, but he does parody music.

Yeah.

Yeah. What's the name of the song?

I need to read it. I know there's a word in it that I don't know if we typically.

Say on this show. Let's.

I don't. I don't have it.

Right. What doesn't it end with? Kicking ass.

I hope so.

Yeah.

What is it? What is it? I don't have it in front of me.

I believe. I don't. I don't know if this is not normally what we say on this, but the song is called, which is, again, it's a parody song. And I do think it sounds like the Minnesota wild have a sense of humor and good for them.

I think on the scale.

That's fine.

That's fine. On the sliding scale of cringe to dudes rock, it's 110% dudes rock.

You know, you know, the fucking dumbest thing in the world, which is the deserve to win o meter.

Yeah.

If we're doing that on the deserve to dudes rock o meter. It has. It has just pivoted and, you know, when you see it, just go to the other side. It has gone 100% to the dude's rocket side because they are just having fun with this whole thing.

I Minnesota, all of a sudden, after years of. Of conflict, where with this show, they might be a top five, the people's team.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And dudes rock. I should. Since we're going to talk about the Minnesota wild and we will go back to the Toronto mate beliefs, I promise. And also there's a Matt Sandin interview coming. Lots of leaves coverage. Philip Gustafson scored a goal last night and has more goals than Conor McDavid.

He has more goals than Conor McDavid.

He's on a 25 goal pace.

He has more power play goals than the Leafs.

Wow. Now that's a pretty low bar, the Leafs power.

Yeah. Zero.

Zero.

Anything is more.

But I do want to say that was pretty sweet watching a goaltender score last night. And is it the first power play.

Goal by a goalie?

I haven't seen anything like that.

I've never. I don't think I've ever seen that.

Yeah.

I don't know. We did have somebody covering the game for SDPN. What? Hayden producer, Maddie. Oh, Maddie was working the game for. For the advertisers there, whatever she does on the side. And everybody in the entire building went crazy when he scored the goalie goal. Everybody in that row was like, oh, my God.

No way.

Like, it was.

Yeah, it was electric in there. It was the first time. I believe the virtual ads have been.

Implemented into the NHL, which was three years ago.

Those board ads that everybody hates.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That everybody hates. That goalie scored a goal, so everybody was hyped.

But you want to be working on those nights. Yeah.

Oh, it's so fun.

Magical. Yeah. When stuff like that happens, because I don't really, like. I don't watch. Like, I like the Leafs.

Right.

Like, I don't really watch those other.

Games as much, but when they happen.

And something like that happens, it makes.

It so much more fun. It's the best.

It's just the best. And we didn't. This isn't a concrete answer, but Jameson Dirksen, who is a hockey video coach, media marketing guy, scout from McKeens, said Gustafson, with what I believe to be the third power play goalie goal in.

Oh, there you go.

Um. Man, I need to. I need to know the truth here. I need to know the truth.

What do you mean?

I need to know the official, like, who were the first two? When the hell did that happen? Oh, Jesse's on it.

If you actually, if we want to do that, I can tell you.

But, you know, there's a lot of skaters who played, like, hundreds of games in the NHL who never scored a power play goal.

Evgeny Nabokov scored on March 10. Whoa. 2002. Martin Broder, March 21, 2013. Those are the other two power play goals.

The first ever goalie power play goal. Not in the month of March. Big stat.

Wow. Wow.

Someone had to be first, and might as well be you.

Philip Og. Am I right?

Am I right?

That's right. Yeah.

Do you guys remember the last goalie goal that we had?

No, I don't remember.

I don't.

Where else was it?

Sorrows.

That's dark.

It's true.

Omar.

Okay, so what? It happened last season. What's your guess, Omar? Incorrect.

Oh, no, that was the year before.

Mark Andre flurry.

Incorrect.

All right.

It's a goalie who didn't get to play in Toronto recently. He didn't this past Saturday. They said, no, we don't like you. Oh, Tristan Jari.

Oh, really?

You scored last year?

Yeah, yeah, last year. Tristan Jari scored a goal on the other team on November 20.

Oh, yeah.

Good for him. No recollection of that?

Nope. None of. Absolutely.

For me, that's less surprising than you.

So I saw.

Wait, so it's not.

I was wrong about that then?

Oh, yeah. You would have been wrong about.

Don't.

Goalie goal.

Well, hey, first power play goal in October. Wild, wild stuff. I could picture yellow in the jersey and I went through two other teams and didn't land on the bank.

I can see a goalie getting two goals in a season. Yeah, I can never. Wow. 17th goalie goal in NHL.

It was against the Tampa Bay Lightning last year.

Shout out to Gustafson for the 18th century.

Yeah. Scored to give Pittsburgh a four two lead late in the third against Tampa Bay Lightning.

So I can see a goalie getting two in a season just because, like, Marty Broder went for it a bunch of times and so did Patrick Wad and that sort of thing. If a goalie ever got three, like, already, I sound like a fucking cartoon.

Saying, yes, you do.

If a goalie ever got three, would that rank among the top five least possible records to beat?

Yes, on account of it's never happened.

Right. Yeah, I think goalie needs to go. I think it's on Gustafson to now go for it.

There's been over a hundred years of.

The NHL and only 17 goalie goals.

Yeah, we've. I don't remember if I mentioned this in the book. Like, there's so many goalie friggin stats that I came across in my research, and one is, I don't know why I'm mentioning this. It's only very loosely related. Martin Broder has the shutout record with 125. Yeah, Terry saw Chuck, I think, has 103. The guy in third with 90 something is George Haynes worth with over. Yeah, he's got over 90. He. Half of those shutouts came before the forward pass.

Right, right.

And why? It feels like there should have been a flood of goalie goals back then. You can't even pass it backwards. I. The goalie has the puck. They have all the advantages. Friggin shoot it.

Exactly.

Maybe that was before they invented pulling the goalie.

Your thing about like, hey, what if they scored three? There's never been a guy who scored two.

This is what I'm saying. I said, I prefaced it by saying I could see a guy get two if I can see that.

There's never been two in the same season by anybody, has there not?

No.

Like that.

I would have thought.

The goaltenders haven't scored a goalie goal in the same season, ever.

See, we need to change this. And to know the guy to do it is Jake Markstrom.

Why is that? Okay?

Because Jake Markstrom is a fucking tire player when he leaves the crease, and I just want to see him do it.

So the equivalent of what you're saying, Adam. So the record for goals in a season is one.

One.

The record for goals in a season by any player is 92. So what you're suggesting is imagine if a player scored 276 goals.

Yes. That's.

You know what? Imagine.

Why not?

Why crazier?

Why not Broders?

Why not you?

Broders got the all time goalie goal lead with three ever. Yeah. He scored three in his career. Ron Hextel comes in at number two.

With two, and he punched them all.

And then, and then everybody else on the list is at one.

Okay.

Yeah. And we're actually at a point, which hasn't happened very often, where we've had a goalie goal in three consecutive seasons now.

Didn't, didn't do one of the playoffs, isn't it?

There's only two goalies.

98 99 playoffs or something. I remember, like, that was the first goalie goal I can remember was Broder. I forget who it was against, but I think it was in the playoffs. Montreal.

Yeah. So we've got two playoff goalie goals. Hextall scored in the 1989 playoffs against the Washington Capitals, and then Broder scored in the or 1997 playoffs against the Montreal Canadiens.

Right. And I remember that I was like. I was like, I hadn't even conceived that a goalie could do that. You know when you're that age where you're like, I hadn't even thought that that was possible.

No.

How is that? What? No way. I remember watching that be like, what the fuck? This is crazy.

I remember the first time I watched a shorthanded goal and being like, that's. I don't know if you're allowed to do that.

Funny about goaltender goals is that no goaltender has been the pulled goaltender twice when a goalie goal has been scored. But Martin Broder has been a pulled goaltender when a goalie has scored a goal. He, Damien Rhodes, scored his goalie goal in the 1990.

What a name.

899 season. And Broder was the pulled goalie at that time, which is fun. I don't think. I'm just looking quickly. No other goalie who's been the pulled goalie has scored a goalie goal besides Broder. He just loved going for it.

They had to. Yeah, they had to invent new lines to be like, stay in your net.

Can you name the three goalies who are active currently in the NHL who have had the goalie goals scored against them when they were the pulled goalies? Oh, and it's the. And it's the three that happened in the last three years. So, Linus all mark scored in 22, 23 against. No, I can't tell you who against. Tristan Jari scored in last season and then Philip Gustav Gustafson scored last night. So those three games, can you give me the goalies that were pulled.

I don't even know who the wild scored again. Oh, no, it was the Blues. Oh, Jordan Biddington.

Hey, so we got one and then I told you the Jari one we were just looking at.

I know.

I just told you who they scored against. You just saw the November?

Yeah.

For that part, yes.

And against two.

Oh, fuck. I don't know. You're asking me.

American Thanksgiving. They scored it against american.

Everybody.

Let's get.

Who remembers what I said. Oh, what team is it? Do you any idea? No, it was the Tampa Bay Lightning. And who was Annette Jonas.

Jonas Johansson.

Guys, it can't be Vasileski.

It was Andre Vasilev who was the pulled goalie, and this one, the Linus all mark goal in 202-023-2223 season. I'm going to give you the team and you got to give me the Goldie. It was the Vancouver Canucks who was in goal that day on February 25, 2023.

That sure. Demko.

Steve. That's your guess? Adam, who's your guess?

Who was their other beta? Smith?

Artur Sealoff?

No. There you go.

Those are the three actual tenders who've had a goalie goal scored against them.

So bless whoever's keeping track of that.

Yeah, thank, thank goodness for Wikipedia. They got a whole article on goalie goals, list of goalies scoring NHL goaltenders. It's a very fun, very fun read. If you're into NHL stats like this.

Jake Marks, you know what to do. Yeah, risk it all, Jake. Risk it all. Oh, Cam Ward got one.

Yeah, these are all the Cam ward.

The goalie who had one good year and ten mediocre ones and made a lot of money doing.

Now, if I'm not mistaken, not all of these goalies actually scored like put the puck in the net.

Oh, went off somebody or they were.

The last person to touch it by making a save.

So we have here think, thankfully from Wikipedia, that's the method of scoring tab in the chart. So a lot of the goalies. So Billy Smith scored on an own goal. Damien Rhodes scored an old goal, bro Durr has an own goal.

Miko Noren, Mika Noren and Sabers legend.

Own goal, Chris Mason, Cam Ward and Martin Broder. So those last own goal goalie goal would have been the broder one in 2013. But yeah, then the recently, the last five are all on shots on goal, which is fun.

I love that there was an own goal. Jordan Stahl and Ilya Koblechuk are both responsible for them. That's crazy. Ilya Kovalchuk and Jeff Sanderson. There's a name. There's a rikel. Yeah, crazy.

The first ever goalie goal and own goal by Rob Ramage. Billy Smith got the credit for the goal in 1979.

That's future Leaf's captain, Rob Rambage.

It was weird because they had a baseball team playing hockey game. It was against the Colorado Rockies.

Oh, yeah.

I don't know. I don't know what was going on there where they're like, let's get the baseball team out there.

I could easily do a bar show with you guys. Like a new podcast just called dudes named dudes, where like, this is, I.

Think my honor stat would go great there.

Yeah. I'm sitting here going, our Rob Ramage. Oh. Damon Lanko.

Lyle City, American, by the way.

Lyle Odaline, blue jackets captain.

First one, I think. No, Adam Foot was.

I don't remember.

Yeah.

And we not, we're not allowed to google anything.

No.

That would. That's the whole thing of.

Yeah.

You can't use your. If you're sitting there on hockey DB, then that's not. But that's not the same thing.

That's true.

No, no.

Also, hockey DB, Kevin Bacon, I think is a show I could do where you try to find, you pick a player to relate absolutely everybody to and how many degrees of Kevin Bacon.

Last thing before we move to the Leafs, should we have Pete Peters's parents? Just like, do we find them? Do we put them in jail? What do we do with the parents of Pete Peters?

Whydeh?

Because his name is Pete Peters.

You're so wrong. You're so wrong. If he did it today, I think you probably put him in jail. But he was born in 1957.

I don't know. That's pretty.

Also, that's a 57.

That's pretty modern to not call your kid Pete Peters.

Pete Peters was on the 84 Canada cup team. And I'll be honest with you, I've not heard a lot about Pete.

For context, of anybody who doesn't know who we're talking about, Pete Peters was a longtime goaltender in the National Hockey League. He was a pulled goalie in the goalie goal chart. That's why I brought him up. And, yeah, he played for the Flyers, Bruins and Capitals. Was on the Canada cup team. As Adam mentioned, one gold. And his parents said, hey, our last name is Peters. Let's name our son Pete.

Wow.

Dude's rock.

Wow.

Or, sorry. Peters was born in a family of dutch immigrants. The dutch rock. Love that.

Home of Van Halen. Just saying, wow, dutch immigrant.

That's. That's a faux pas to me.

No, what are you doing? Incorrect.

I think you're right, Jesse. But I feel like back then, that was sort of a thing. You know what I mean? Like, that was like, there was like a little bit of, hey, this is fun. Have you seen my daughter snow globe lately? She's so. You know what I mean? Now it's like, wow. It's like I charge crystals and I named my kid those crystals. Like, it's that. Then it's like, how do we make this into a, like a fun. This could be a fun author name or something. You know what I mean?

Like, like, well, he couldn't have been anything other than a professional athlete.

No. Pete. Peter. That or he'd be a good columnist.

Here's Pete Peters. Oh, yeah, he.

Peters on. Hey, here's Peters on sports.

Pete Peters the plumber. Nah, nah, nah. I think it's a miracle hockey got him and not baseball. Imagine he's a baseball.

The plumber. And then his daughter. His son's name was Pete as well. Peter Petersen.

Peter Peterson.

And then he could have Pete Peters.

And son, juniors, and co. Yeah.

Pete Peters the third.

The Peters.

Anyway, could you imagine, like, Kyle Davidson's dad or mom was like, hey, let's call him David.

David Davidson.

Like what?

Marcel. Marcel, noted. Alan Walsh, client.

All right.

And Ivan Ivanhe legend.

Pete Peters is a ridiculous name.

It is, it is. I hope Pete good. I hope somebody like Robert Spiela. I hope. We know Peters grand listens to this show. Excuse me.

I met him. He's a nice man.

I. Pete the third, little Petey live in Peterborough. It's great.

Oh, he has.

What are you assholes.

Little Pete Peters from Peterborough. That's. We all know it's true.

That's right.

It's happening. That's a thing I want to hear.

From Odie and Sprague Cleghorn's great grandchildren. How dare you speak disparagingly of my great grandfather Odie.

I need to hear from the kid of Babe. Die.

Yeah, I want that little babe, little.

Babe, little babe in the city.

Stop it, Jesse. Stop. You're out of control.

Oh, tell me one of the kids was named Ty.

I hope so. I hope so. I tie. Die. You're such an idiot.

There was a tie in the NHL. He wouldn't even be the first one. Just saying. I'm just saying. Oh, God.

I want to tell you about hope in every step. It's Saturday, November 2, 2024. You check ins at 10:00 a.m. and it is a walk to end violence against women. Now, this is an amazing charity and it's an amazing event. Typically 2300 people that are showing up and everybody's there for the right causes. Again, it's a Burlington city hall, $40.

No.

What? What?

Steve won't go.

Oh, that's right. Because it's in the west.

Yeah.

Burlington.

You might as well put it on the moon.

Now.

The moon's easier to get to if.

You want to go straight up, if.

You'Re able to go west. There's a note here if you would like to support the event but cannot attend.

Oh, that's Steve.

There's an online donation page. Now, we're going to put it in the description of this video, but I'll just give it to you right now.

This is very important for Steve, who cannot attend.

That's what I'm trying to listen to.

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Oh, I know.

And I'm not trying to take away from Montebell because he's going to be probably on Team Canada. He might even be the start. But we need to not let former Leaf and career backup guy look like an all star for a night.

No, Adam, you're focused on the wrong guy.

What do we need to focus on?

I don't give a shit that he didn't put up a point in an eight goal game for his team and he. I think he was a minus three. I want Riley and tan of on Trevor Moore like shit on velcro.

Good point.

That dude turns into Martin St. Louis against the Leafs.

Yes.

And you need to watch out.

And Oliver Ekman Larson will get his first full game quarterbacking pp one. And he was saying, he's quoted a couple days ago saying you almost don't know who to give the puck to because there's a lot of talent up here. Well, and Matthew Nyes will also be joining him there.

As long as we're talking about defenseman, unlikely goal candidate for the Kings, that just became a whole lot more likely because he's playing the Leafs leaf legend, Carl Brunswick. He played for them last year.

Joel Edmondson is Joel Edmonds. He's on IR.

Is he?

Yeah, he's off the rock.

Gun.

Yeah, he's injured.

That's not fair.

He's gonna score anyway, but, yeah, the. The. So I'm looking for that. Please don't turn big. Save Dave into a star.

No, he's a king.

And. Yeah, and. And this. And what is Oliver Ekman Larson, by the way? Nielander is still iffy. We're not sure he's injured or he's not injured. He's sick. We'll play. Tavares was playing this morning. Really? We're not sure because he's gonna be.

Game time, but, you know, trending towards a. No.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This must be a pretty nasty virus. And can the Leafs not have this.

No.

Do that. They did this three times last year. Do we need to have vomiting sicknesses every month?

Listen, I have question. Questions about how well those amulets work.

Yeah, it's a good question. There's a lot of people making the joke on. On Twitter. It's like, well, maybe Willie should have bought the amulet.

I.

That was one of those stories where yesterday I'm like, out and about, and I'm like, what is this?

Yeah, what the. Yeah.

I haven't had a chance to read enough about it.

No. So, yeah, we're gonna wait. Yeah. But interesting. I do want to move on to a couple of things before we get to Matt's and then a press conference. First off, did you guys know that it's hard to watch? I've had a few complaints this year about regional blackouts. Specifically, somebody from Whitby reached out and said, hey, Whitby, the game was blacked out. Now in Toronto, if that's the case, Whitby didn't make sense to me. I feel like that's a. Probably a computer error because they have computers handle these things. But I would think that if it's not available locally on a TSN feed, if you have the Sportsnet plus package, you can still watch it because there's.

Tiers to it, though. Like, it's not just the Sportsnet plus package. There's, like, a level of Sportsnet plus you got to get to. To bypass blackouts.

Okay.

They make it really difficult.

Yeah, of course. Yeah. Now, what's interesting, too, is a lot of coyotes fans are upset because for local Utah games, they are shut out.

That's so garbage.

That's garbage.

What? Hockey has done nothing but just wedgie and noogie and beat the crap out of Coyotes fans for 25.

And yet they're still false. Yeah. Now what's interesting is that a team closer by the Vegas Golden Knights are going to host clinics and watch parties in the Phoenix area this weekend. The Golden Knights announced on October 14 updated plans for the team to visit the Phoenix area on the 19th and 20th as part of the team's outreach to its new television territory in Arizona. So not Utah, but you can get the Stanley cup winners from 18 months ago.

I'll take that.

That's not bad. The team will have a, will host a pair of free 1 hour on ice clinics from twelve to 130 at the, you know, for kids. The team will host a watch party, giveaways, retail items, photo opportunities. So they are making a real hard charge to get this market because guess what? But the Arizona market, specifically Phoenix, is enormously important, which is why the NHL stayed there and I think treated it real well. It behooves Matt Ishbuh, owner of the, of the Phoenix Suns, to get going and put a team back there. Adam, don't let the Golden Knights take your, take your lunch.

There was someone at the book signing yesterday who was from the.

I'm glad somebody made it. Yeah, sorry.

They were from the. That was a good line. It was a good line.

What? No, you should hit him. Hit him for that one.

Yeah, I should shake your fist.

Um, they were from the desert. Do you know what part of the desert?

Scottsdale.

Henderson?

No, Nevada.

They were from.

Did they have a Silver Knights Jersey?

Henderson. They had a jacket.

Oh, sick. There was a, that's next level as a fan. I own a lot of Leafs jerseys. I don't own a Leafs jacket. It.

Someone was wearing a sweater. It was a kachina sweater, but not for the coyotes. It was for the Tucson Roadrunners. And I didn't know that they had even made those.

That's crazy. And they're moving them. By the way, Tucson's a great hockey market and it's regularly drawing like 10,000 people. Well, Alex Murillo is like, let's get them out of here and put them in Nevada, which is what he's going to do. Yeah, I think the HL needs to force a sale there, too. They need to do whatever the NHL did. Oh, anyway, that's cool.

Very Henderson, baby.

Henderson. Silver Knights. Did they, did you guys talk about the various sites in Henderson? What there is to do?

Yeah, there's, I don't know anything. Street?

No. Steve's been there several. Yeah.

He's a fucking expert, man. You've been in Anderson as much as I've been to, like, places I've lived.

Have you been to Henderson, Moore or Oakville? Because you refuse to go west of young street.

Oh, man, that's a good question. Like, I've driven through oak.

Yeah, no, I'm talking, like, gotten out of the car and done some downtown.

In Oakville, which is beautiful.

It's not down.

Maybe.

I think you've been to Henderson more.

Like I've been to Boston way more than Oakville. That's crazy. That's crazy.

That's mean to the Oakvillians. Ever there.

That's. It's far.

It's far. I'll go.

It's a lot of gas.

About gas, but now that you mention it, traffic. Gotta get on the fucking QW. Gotta take a gardener. Yeah.

You know what it is, Jesse? It's. It's the traffic. He just.

No, he won't sit in there.

Eve gets irrationally upset at traffic. Some people have that.

I think I get rationally upset at traffic.

Okay, well, it's. I just find it. I just find it funny.

No. Yeah.

I love hearing about your roots to work. Jesse, I've sent you a text.

Yes.

And I want you to look at this because I thought that this was cool. And I think more teams need to copy, and I haven't said this much. Copy what the Blackhawks are doing.

Oh, I wouldn't.

I wouldn't say that often, but I say that they're doing a good thing, doing one smart thing. And I think you need to check it out. And I'm just tap dancing here now.

No, no, I got. We're good.

So let's bring it up.

We're good.

The Blackhawks are selling 24 ounce hockey sticks of beer.

Hell, yeah.

And you get to keep the hockey stick, which I'm assuming you could just use as a mini stick at home.

How much?

It didn't say.

Oh, okay.

Now I'll look at.

Dial in on the important part of the story.

I think that's one of those where you just pull out the debit card and go, you know what?

No, that's. I've never been in a situation like that. That not all of us are millionaires. Billionaires. Sorry, what?

What is that jalapeno margarita on the board behind him.

You got distracted.

I got distracted. No, no. Let's have. Let's have some words. Does that. What's the word in front of is it Pickley.

Pickley. Jalapeno margarita.

Let's have a discussion. I would like some of that.

That looks good.

I want that in my body.

There is no. Believe it or nothing, but with all the, the Hawks media. Hold on. I. There is.

Nobody's got to tell us.

Nobody has done a story on the hockey stick pier.

No.

Let's add a whole bunch of new things. So I guess the bulls and Blackhawks have added a whole bunch of stuff to the united center, which, not to be confused with the other airline center, the Delta Center, United center. And because it's a bit of an old place, it's been there since 94. And for arenas, that's old. But I'm looking at the articles, even on Hawks Insider here, and I'm not seeing a price. Can't find a price.

Ben Pope.

Let's DM one of them.

Hurry up.

Hey, Ben.

Mark Lazarus. Oh, Scott Powers.

Get on that.

I'm gonna use your Scott Powers.

I'm gonna talk about Mario Tiribasi.

Oh, he would know.

Yeah. Who covers the Blackhawks for Ch. Go.

Runner up in the award for most italian. Mario Tiraba.

Absolutely.

Absolutely. Mario's been a longtime listener.

Yeah. Big fan of the show.

Yeah.

He's always been very supportive, and he's.

Done, he's very darn well for himself. That shows done well.

That's somebody you're like, oh, I like your success.

Yeah. Yay for you. Yeah. And so, anyway, just thought, the 24 ounce stick. Now, here's the thing. I would take that home and then go, shit, what do I do with this? I better give it to a child.

So I would give her a thought.

I would give it to Steve's kid, but I would wash it out first. Are you keeping the hockey stick after drinking out of it? Cause I feel like, for me, it's like, oh, I definitely want that. And then I would drink it, and then I'd be like, shit. Now I got a. I don't like junk in my house.

Every piece of anything I've given Leo, it's like, here, you break this.

Right?

So he would. He would break that eventually.

Yeah.

We. We have. We have doors in our house that have, like, little rectangular glass panes in them, and Leo broke one the other day with his hockey stick. Not with a shot.

Yeah.

He just went, I wonder what'll happen if. Wham, I was still up in bed because I worked the night before, and I just hear, crash, clink, clink, clink. Steve. I'm like, okay, all right. I have a four year old boy.

I. I think this is an easy one to replicate in all markets. I hope Toronto takes this, because that is something I'm willing to pay it an obscene amount of money for.

The. What the fuck is it called? The concert venue that's outside at Ontario Place.

Budweiser.

No, but the one that's just outside. I forget the fucking name of it. Anyways, they have a guitar. It's not wiser.

Stage.

No, the one that's, like, next to it. That's just like, outside. And you can just.

Oh, is that where they have, like, at the edmund?

What is it? Yeah. Yeah, the word beach. Echo beach. Thank you.

Yeah.

At Echo beach down in Toronto, they have this equivalent thing. It's. But it's a guitar.

Oh, that's cool.

You can get a guitar of wine. Oh, it's awesome.

Shit, that's wild.

Yeah. I assume they still haven't been there a couple years, but last time I was there, we got a guitar.

Too much wine.

It was a lot.

Let's go get gray teeth. Hell yeah. But it was the.

It was the biggest amount of alcohol you could get, so that's why we got it. Oh, that's because, like, the beers were, like, in regular cups and they even have, like, tall ones, so we just got the guitars of wine. It was. It was good value.

Was it?

I don't remember. It was. It was, like, decently priced. It was less than, like, $30. Like, 25.

That's okay. Yeah, yeah. Damn. I would expect a beer like that at Scotiabank to be $30.

Mm hmm.

I bet the ground just sounds like velcro. Like, there's no way people aren't spilling that shit. Absolutely.

Oh, just sticky, you name?

Oh, yeah.

Sometimes I walk into arenas, I'm like, did they pre sticky the floors or has everybody just been drinking beer since, like, since ten years ago? There. It's must because it. There is that, like, Rogers center, which I haven't been to in over a year because I refuse to watch and pay for the blue Jays.

You should check out the renovations.

I've heard they're amazing.

Yeah, they're cool.

You walk in there and it's like, crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch. Like, if you get that. That thing, I don't find that with Scotiabank. I find that they get that floor clean now. It's dirty pretty quickly.

Hey, if you have a nut allergy, can you go to baseball campsite?

There's penis.

Are you sure?

I'm sure you can. Shells ever.

Like, there's just the dust is in the air. Like, do you go, like, do you.

Is it leave a game or is.

It the oil, though? I thought it was the oil. Like, I don't know the oil.

It's all of it.

Like, I don't think it's like cats, where it's dander in the air. I think you have to actually eat the peanut or touch the peanut, right?

Yeah, but you're probably touching it. Can you not wear a sand.

Can we call this show touching the peanut?

Ew. No, no. I don't know. That might be a little too much.

I think the title might need to be. Be harder.

Last thing before we get to Matt's and then we'll do a press conference is. And this just popped up while the show was happening. Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady and Josie Altidore are investing in the Buffalo bills. Oh, yeah. And I thought it was interesting. And I thought, interesting. Does that mean Pegula sports and entertainment? No, it doesn't. So the team, they value the team at $5.08 billion american. And it's apparently those three guys with a bunch of others. The Pegula family hired an organization to go out and try to find investors. Ostensibly, you sell a piece of the business so that people inject rich people, put money into your business, they own a piece of it, and then you get some extra cash to play with. Nothing has been signed, and it's possible it doesn't happen, according to Sportico. But Carter, McGrady and Altidore are apparently in on this. And it kind of goes to. I thought it was interesting because obviously they're all american guys, but they all played the best parts. Well, McGrady, maybe not, but the best parts of their career in Toronto. And there have been rumors about bills, Toronto, Rogers wanting.

You know, Ed Rogers wants an NFL team. That's why he is like, that's his big legacy play as a billionaire. He wants to bring the NFL to Canada. But I just thought that's notable and should be something that we should bring up.

Eyebrow raising.

Yes.

What are you.

The Sabers are not a part of this. Sabers are not a part of this.

Boy, they really are just the ugly duckling there, eh?

I wanted to ask you about the Sabers, guys. Have you watched the whole Amazon documentary yet?

Not yet.

Okay. When you watch the Jack Eichel episode, have you guys seen it?

I've seen it. Yes.

Kevin Adams. They just throw Kevin Adams right under the bus.

Oh, really?

Cause all it is essentially like, this is an old story. I'm not blowing the episode for you. It's a 32nd piece on how Jack Eichel's. Jack Eichel ended up in Vegas. Right? And they talk about while he was. He was captain, and they show that press conference where Kevin Adams is like, you know, he didn't pass physical. He won't get the surgery. He's no longer captain. And you think about it, and at the time, a lot of Sabers fans turned on him. And I think because the organization was like, well, he won't work with us. And he's being difficult. And I just look at that in retrospect. He's gone and he's won a cup. He was fantastic in the run. He's been a great player. The surgery, which had been done on a ton of other athletes, just not hockey players, was done, and it was done well, and he's played well since. And I thought, boy, as much as I'm sure the Sabers are great with Krebs and Tuck and some of these guys. Sure doesn't replace Eichel, does it?

No.

And he looks great players, but he looks bad. He just. Kevin Adams looked bad. He looks. It's a. It's a rough look, man, you watch that scene. Tell me what you think. I think it's worth checking that out because I thought, man, I was like, shit, I forgot all that happened.

You know, it would have been way more interesting if they just told, like, a fraction of that story and made everyone look good. I think that would have been better.

Well, they. Yeah, I mean, I.

That's what they would have done a few years ago because NHL teams would have got their fingers on it. And Amazon, this time around, seems to have just made the documentary that they wanted to. And it's way better as a result.

Exactly. Exactly. Like, yeah, I think you got to see that scene. It's kind of nuts. Anyway, shall we bring on Matt? Cindy?

Who?

He's got a book. I don't know. It might be one that's competing with yours. I mean, like, not really.

I mean, I don't know. Could he possibly pose the threat?

Let's bring on Leaf's legende Matt Sundi. All right, welcoming on. And this is not the first time ever, but it's the first time via Zoom, the one and only one of the greatest leafs of all time. We're so excited. It's Matt Sundini. Let's go, Matt. Where are you joining us from? First off, that's a very nice looking living room.

Yeah. Thank you very much. I'm in Stockholm, actually. It's. We're 6 hours ahead of you guys and thanks for the great introduction. Feel welcome.

Excellent. This is your favorite podcast that you're doing today, right?

Absolutely. Number one.

Good.

So, Matt, obviously we're big leaf fans. We know the history, that sort of thing. Let's talk about this book. You are a guy who is at least the perception of you with the public is you're a notoriously private person. So when you come out with a book like this, are there any challenges to talking about yourself, which is something that you traditionally maybe haven't been as comfortable with?

Well, I think, you know, at age 53 and, you know, I've been asked a few years about doing the memoirs and last summer I figured if I don't do it now, I still remember, you know, not everything about my career, but parts of it and childhood and growing up, I thought it was the right time. My kids are our daughter's twelve. We have a son that turns ten here in a couple weeks, and our youngest boy is seven. And they look at me like they don't know I played hockey or anything. So I hope in five or so years they're going to be able to read the book and say, oh, our dad was. He was okay, he was a hockey player, right?

Pretty cool.

Yeah. So hopefully there'll be something for them to read. And it was the time now, otherwise I think it might not get done.

I think reading, reading through your book, I need to know if you kept score. Did you lose more teeth playing soccer as a child or in your NHL career?

Well, for sure playing in the NHL at the end of the day. But I did lose my teeth first time in grade one, actually playing soccer in the winter and slipped into a friend's head and my mom wasn't happy with that. It was just the new teeth you get at that age and they were both gone. So that was tough. Morton, hockey for sure.

You know, Matt, it's interesting that this, the book is so full of great stories, but something that really stuck out to me as something that is, it seems to be emotional and visceral for you is your absolute vehemence about the, about the fighter position, about the enforcer position. And you talk about a story that happened in Buffalo during the third round, in the 98 99 series, in the third round. And I remember that series, Matt. I cried at the end of it in game six. I was in tears because I was ten years old. And you can't imagine how much that meant to me. You can't imagine. I got it and I got to say, I thought this really stuck out because I had no idea. I knew you were friends with Tai Domi, but there was a writer at the time who will remain nameless, who wrote a story about how Ty should have been scratched because Buffalo was scratching Rob Ray and Ty confronted him in a towel in the dressing room. And I wanted to know. I wanted to know what you recollect from that story because obviously it's in the book a little bit.

But also I want to talk about your friendship with Ty because there is a staunch defense in that book that you could be you because he was himself and he laid his body on the line. And how important was that to your career and your success in Toronto and elsewhere?

Well, guys, and I think you guys follow the game all the time. And as a player over my 18 years, you come to realize that Ty, you know, the way b Laks, the tough guys in the league by far have also the toughest job, right? They're expected to come out and fight. They have to fight each other. And, you know, just imagine having to go to work and knowing that you have to fight someone at that night and you play games every other night. So, you know, you come to realize when you're in the league that they carry and no one can actually enjoy that, go out and do that every night. It's a tough job and they deserve the respect from not only players, obviously, fans and everybody, but it's a tough job to do. And I. And, you know, Ty, you look at the years I play with Ty and even before that, other guys, you're. I was able. And Ty keeps reminding me, even today you didn't have any concussions thanks to. And he has a point. He has a point. But, you know, it's a needed role. It allowed me to be able to do my job on the ice and not being taken advantage of from opponent's team.

You know, the guys are still out there. They're doing the job and it's very important, the much respect and the toughest job in the game.

And, and, you know, it's interesting because I, I talked to somebody who was in the room when that happened and he said it was an unbelievable site because there were 60 people that were non team in the, in the dressing room, 6060 non team. So, so it's, you know, it's all the guys who played and then all the media following them and it's Buffalo media, it's Toronto media. It's intense. And, you know, matts, I look at the bond that you guys that you and ty have. And then I think about Max Domi specifically and how much it means to him to be a Toronto Maple Leaf, like before the first round last year, he's putting a sizzle reel out. He always mentions you. He wore your number in Montreal. Obviously you can't wear it here because it's retired, but I look at that friendship and that's now multi generational. And I've heard that you had Max over to your house when you guys were in Sweden last year. Is that correct?

Absolutely. And when we played, I mean, I followed Max playing Hawkins as he was eight and nine years old. I remember we went out in between games, me and Ty went out to watch him playing minor hockey in Toronto. He was in our dressing room with our team. And for me to. To have him over at the house in November when Toronto was in Stockholm for the games and watch him grow into a man the career is having and be able to sign a long term deal with the Toronto Maple, I think he's going to be a great asset for the team. I know he is going to play his heart out for the Toronto Maple lease, and I'm extremely happy for him.

There's a story in Tai Domi's book that I thought was so funny, and he glossed over it because you mentioned the stress of having to, like, fight every second night, and he would have two big bowls of pasta and he would try to have his pregame nap, but he would never be able to sleep. And then he found out after he retired that the reason he wasn't able to sleep is he was diagnosed with a gluten intolerance.

Oh, wow.

Is that Taidomi just completely summed up to you? Like, is that the taidomi that we. We don't know?

That's too funny. But I guess. I don't know if it was just the gluten. I think he's. I think he was so intense and, I mean, I'm sure he's gluten intolerant, obviously, but I mean, that job. Go out and do his job. And knowing that he had to prepare, he had to see what team are we playing? Is it. Is it Baruby and the Flyers? Or is it McCarthy or is it a. Is it whoever, you know, probably. Or all these tough big boys that he had to face on an every everyday basis? You know, I'm sure there was more reason than just gluten intolerant, why he had a tough time falling asleep and pregame nap.

Yeah. Yeah. So I. Matt, I'll be honest, this is not the first biography I've read of you. There was a biography for kids on the history of Matt Sundin. Do you remember this kids book? I had this kid's book, and basically you seen it. So it said that the thing that you missed the most, this is how simple this was. I mean, like grade one reading, this going, this is the greatest thing I've ever read in my life. And it said that when you left Sweden, one of the things that you missed the most were swedish meatballs. And for whatever reason, that's been the thing that stuck with me for years. Is that the truth? When you got to Quebec where you're like, damn, there's. The meatballs here are just not up to par.

I can't recall, really.

I knew it was going to be a stupid question, but.

Exactly. The meatballs are good, but, you know, I think they're very good in Toronto as well.

How much do you think playing sports like bandy, which for a lot of people don't. They don't, you know, in North America, they don't really. We don't. We don't play it as bandy is. Is like a hockey adjacent, dry land sort of sport. How much do you think that played into your skill development growing up?

Well, I tell you this, the Swedish Eye soccer federation, they did a study on Nicholas Lindstrom, Peter Forsberg, myself and Marcus Nestle, and then they spent a year trying to israeli common ground for these kids. They became the stars they did in the National Hockey League and in the swedish national team. And one thing that stuck out that when I look at it today as a parent, you know, I have kids in all kinds of sports and different activities, is that we had, on average, every week, 30 hours of, like, spontaneous sport, like, not including, like, the hockey practice, but bandy and other thing. And. And that's just an enormous amount of playing around, like, with different games, right. Whether it's soccer or hockey. And then we went to different practices. So Bandy was obviously helped me a lot with the skating. So I would have. I could have a hockey practice in the, in the. Before lunch. And then I went to play a band game in the afternoon. It was all just for fun, but fantastic workouts and obviously helped me with my skating.

Years ago, we asked you about, you know, because you got your eyes over there in Sweden and you're watching some hockey over there, who's a player that we got to keep our eye on. And you talked about this guy didn't really pan out, named Elias Pedersen. Turns out you're right. He's pretty good. So what I need to know all these years later is who's next?

It's a good question, you know, I mean, you guys know, but Sweden. Hockey is a big sport in Sweden. Not like Canada. There's a lot of competition now, drawing kids. I think there's 80,000 registrated hockey players in Sweden.

Wow.

Three of them smaller than Ontario. It's 11 million people, maybe. So the hockey program has been very good. I mean, you've seen the draft. There's always high picks coming out of Sweden. But there's a defenseman right now in Koleptio, Sandin Pelika. He's a high draft pick. I think he's still over here. He's going to be a good defenseman eventually, but it's not like it's been before. I think swedish hockey has to keep working on having a great program to be able to keep producing and trying to keep up with Canada and the US and obviously Russia in terms of bringing up new talent. But it looks good still and it's a work in process. But there's one name for you that I think he's going to have a great career.

Another name I want to bring up is an older name and one, from what I understand meant a lot to you is Boris Allman. Obviously Borea. You made a tremendous impact in Toronto, just like you did. And he meant a lot to swedish ice hockey. I know that. Or at least from what I understand, you used to attend his camps when you were growing up. Is that true? Yeah. And so. Yeah, go ahead, please. Yeah, sir.

No, actually I went to his. He had a hockey school up in Kirina, the small mining town above the Arctic Circle, his hometown. Actually. When I got traded to tronomy, I believes I was there for his hockey school. It was such a fluke coincidence, but he was able to tell me what it means to wear the blue and white and represent the chronomy police. And so he was great help for me, like as a mentor during my career. When I got asked to be the captain for Toronto Maple Leafs, Bori was the first guy I called and he said, matt, you have to accept. It's one of the biggest honors you can have wearing the sea. And he regretted, obviously not accepting because he got asked playing. And so it was an easy choice for me. And then he. Except from the hockey part, he was a great friend. Me and my brothers, we still go fishing. This year was the 30th year in a row we go fishing to a place outside Kirana where bore helped me go. So he was a big impact in my career.

And when you look at his impact on swedish hockey, just in general, him and Hammerstrom, some of the other guys that came over, but Borea was sort of the big one in Toronto and league wide. You know, how is. How is he viewed in Sweden? Is he. Because he's still a God here? Right? When I was there, the last game that he was able to be in Toronto, when they had him out on the ice and dropping the puck and that the, you know, Toronto unfortunately, right now has a bit of a quiet arena, but that night was extremely loud and it was for him. And I just wonder what. How do. How do people in Sweden view Borea?

Well, I think with his passing, it was devastating. I think he's been viewed on as an icon because just like you said, he really made NHL management coaches realize that. Hang on a second. Swedish players maybe can play over here. You know, they're pretty good. And Boris somming is the reason why my generations and beyond were able to be accepted and play bigger roles in North America. And also with the terrible loss of Borea, I'm on the board on his ALS foundation with Nicholas Ludstrom and we're raising a lot of money for it. But just that disease, the way it ended. He's such an icon, this war hero, all the battles he went through and then had to fight this terrible disease at the end. So he's definitely been in people's hearts in Sweden before. He's passing and still is. And he always got to be an icon over here.

I mentioned to someone earlier today that I was getting the chance to talk to you, and I regret that she couldn't be here for the interview because it sounded like she wanted to conduct it herself. And the first thing she asked is, when's he gonna come over here? And I go, what do you mean? When's he gonna come over here? He's going to do an event at the hall of fame. He's promoting the book. She's like, no, no, no. When's he going to work for the Leafs?

Yeah.

Have you ever been tempted into an NHL job in any capacity?

Well, first of all, I was very happy. I got invited by Bradshaw living to attend camp this year for a few days, be around the team and management and. But, you know, being a coach and management and part of an NHL team organization, that's a 24/7 job. And I've been very blessed now having my kids after my career, I've been with them, watching them grow up, and. But we'll see what happens in the future. You know, the door is open and we'll see what happens.

That's cool. That's great to hear. I think even just you being around would be very, very cool for a lot of those guys because there's probably a lot of. I mean, I remember what I was like in my early twenties, and I knew nothing. And it's helpful to have people around that, that know something. So I hope we see around a lot. Like, we saw Nick Antropoff. Like, we've seen him kind of still around. Yeah. And he's around and, and being a part of it. It's awesome. Matt, I gotta ask you about being a dad. Steve and I are, you know, younger fathers than yourself. Like, I've got a five and a half year old. Steve has a four year old and a seven month, seven month old. So he's not sleeping quite yet. What's it, what's it been like? What? The challenge of being captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs or the challenge of raising three kids? Which is harder?

Captain of the leaves is easy.

Tell us about how much of you enjoyed stepping into that.

Oh, no, it's been great. Obviously, it's the thing you value most in life, your kids. And at the same time, you know, as you guys know, the stage you guys are in, it's a lot of work, too, but it also made me reflect and I talk about in the book, you know, I have so much more respect for my own parents, what they went through with. I mean, me and my two brothers and the support they gave us. And if I can give our kids half of the support my parents did to me and my brothers, I'll be happy, because, you know, it's all about helping the kids and just supporting their dreams they have, whether it's playing piano or playing hockey, whatever it is, I'm going to try to be there and try to support them.

That's. You just reminded me of one of my favorite visuals from the book where I think it was your grandmother going outside, because she's like, oh, you need a goalie. I'll be goalie. And she goes outside, like, wearing her kitchen apron and everything. Are you gonna wear, like, a barbecue apron or something? Put on, like, Cujo's old.

How do you look in goalie pads?

Yeah, yeah, we have. We have a golden net down in the garage, and I have my son there. We're taking shots. I haven't been in that yet because we have real ball. But if he needs. He needs a goalie there, but then he can't shoot with real pucks. It has to be tennis balls or something soft.

Yeah, I understand that, Matt. I also know that you've got a. You've got a foundation, if I'm not mistaken, here with the Princess Margaret. Oh, can you hear me?

Yep, I hear you.

Yeah. And so I just, you know, I don't think a lot of people know about that, and it fits with who you are, that you're not out there trumpeting it all the time. But that is a pretty major institution here in Toronto. And anybody, we have a lot of international listeners, a lot of people not from Toronto or not from Ontario, listening. For anybody that don't know, it's one of the premier cancer centers in the world, and you're still involved with it. Can you tell us how you got involved and why you continue to be?

Yeah, so, actually, I have a canadian foundation, a Matt Sandy fellowship, and it's founded with, actually, University of Toronto and the Karolinski Institute in Sweden. And I also have a friend, he's a swedish professor. He's the head of the Princess Margaret Cancer Hospital. And so for me, it was easy. I had, and I had a long, fantastic career. I was fortunate to spend it all in Canada, in Toronto, Quebec and Vancouver for a short time. But when I retired and I was able to live my passion and be able to make money off of it, so I wanted to keep giving back to the city of Toronto, where I played most of my career, also to Stockholm. So that's the collaboration. And I always enjoy visiting. You know, I have my banner from that used to hang at the Air Canada centers, hanging in the Sick Kids hospital today, which is great. So the connection is always going to be there and be able to meet families, kids, adults that are going through tough times in life. It's very important for players, too, in the National Hockey League, that and for the bleeds. And I know the Toronto Middle east still does a great job with that.

It's a reality check when we talk about how serious hockey is, but at the same time, there's very important things going on in life that is out there. So it's very easy for me to be able to contribute and help out.

Well, matts, we've taken up enough of your time, but I just want to say how much this has meant to us, that you'd make time for us. We're looking forward to your hall of fame event with Steve coming up here. I think that's next week, isn't it?

21St.

21St. So you're going to be in Toronto, and I just hope, you know, and while this book comes out, I hope that you're flooded with the gratitude that Lee fans have for you, because, honestly, you were, at least for our generation. We grew up with you. We all had your jersey. You meant a lot. And I hope that we see you as close to that team as humanly possible, knowing that you've got three kids at home to raise. Because, you know, the closer Matt Sundin is to the Toronto Maple Leafs, I think the better off we all are.

Thanks for having me, guys. I appreciate it.

The presser sdp the Steve Dangle press conference.

For the press conference. It won't be very long. Matt Sundin. Excellent.

Handsome.

Handsome.

Warm.

Yes.

Really warm. Yeah, I was. That's an interview I was legit nervous for because, you know, with Matt's. He's very. He's not bombastic, and he was great, you know?

And I get to share a stage with him for an hour on October 20.

Oh, yeah. That'll be fine. Yeah.

Yeah. I've read a bunch of his book already. I have the audiobook, which will be easier. He reads it a. Like he. He reads his audiobook.

Yeah.

Oh, nice.

Yeah.

No authors.

Yeah. A very common thing.

Yeah, no, it's. It's awesome. Makes it way better.

From last episode, we got to issue two corrections. One. I gave out a stat about the Leafs losing the home opener for the first time since 1967. There was just details I'd left out about the stat. It's the Leafs lose one o in a home own opener on the road, which hasn't happened since 1967. Since the 1960 619 67 season.

Goalie. Power play. Goal. Not in the month of March. That's. That's the vibes.

So we. I was. We were doing all the 67 numbers, so just to get that correct. And also, Steve said that Anthony Stallers would be a good candidate for Team Canada. That's not possible, because Anthony Stallers is America.

Yeah. He played for London, so I thought he was canadian. Yeah, I guess he's not. And I could have taken 20 fucking seconds to google it.

So just to correct those two things.

When you're doing a two hour show, it is impossible to get everything correct. Yeah. No, we do try our best, but it's okay. And by the way, it's gonna be okay. It's gonna be okay.

I don't know. Next thing, Anthony, I will not be okay with next thing. We're talking about books. Adam. Steve, shut up for half a second. Don't. Don't jump in. Steve was listening to something on the way in. It was, I think, the most Steve thing that he could ever listen to.

Harry Potter.

Can you guess what it is?

It's not Harry Potter.

No.

He listens to those audiobooks. So Steve hadn't read Harry Potter. Yeah, but I told him he should listen to the audiobooks, and then he did, and now he does that once a year. Yeah. Steve listening to. On the way in. It was an audiobook.

Yes.

Yes. Audiobook. Yeah.

I don't know.

Steve only has, like, a couple interests, right? Hockey is one of them.

Yeah. Moneyball.

No.

Okay.

Thank you for reminding me to download it.

It certainly wasn't a song of ice and fire. No, no.

That would have been. That would be a lot.

That would be great.

That would have been that we were led the show.

Grave of thrones.

Steve.

Game of Thrones.

Yeah.

We're talking. You would have loved this.

Um.

Uh, do you want me to play a snippet?

Okay, can I get a hint?

I'm just gonna reveal it to you. Please, because I think everybody needs to know this. Steve was listening to hockey. Rants and raves.

Yeah.

By Steve Dangle.

Why didn't I stop? Why didn't I default to that?

Steve was listening to himself read his own book.

The arguing guy.

The arguing.

Why.

Why were you listening to yourself?

I want to hear how good it is. I haven't heard the audiobook since I said it, so, you know, I gotta say this. Audiobooks better than the last one. My performance on point.

How far into your own book are you?

That's a great question. Jesse. Let me.

So I did. I downloaded it last night. I did buy it.

I saw. Because we parked next to each other every morning. I saw him backing up into his. And. And on, like, the dash where you see the apple Carplay thing is just a big thing. That's his hockey ransom.

I would have thought you heard Steve talking and no lips.

And then when he gets closer, I can hear just the book coming through.

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

So the forward by Adam is four minutes, 59 seconds.

Somebody was pissed, by the way, that I didn't do the forward.

Oh, you should have.

I didn't even know that was a possible.

I didn't even know we didn't have it in the budget to pay Adam for that.

I was. Yeah.

No, that's a really good idea.

No, we could put that in. In the second edition. I'm happy to do it, but.

Yeah, just to prove we could do.

It here and just send it to them.

Yeah, that's fine.

Yo, that's actually so true. Okay. Just to prove how much Adam was yapping in the forward, my intro to the book was actually shorter. It's four minutes, 45 seconds. Best things about going to a game is 28 minutes. It's a business. 15 minutes, 13 seconds. And I'm almost all the way through leafs lament, which is 1 hour, two minutes and 40 seconds.

That chapter.

It's very long.

An hour.

Yeah, I think it is the. Is it the longest chapter in the book? It is. Not by a wide margin, but it is. There's another 56 minutes one. A. 52 minutes one. A. 54 minutes one. That.

Chapter 50.

What?

I didn't.

Which. Which one has the Zubra reference as there is one?

I don't know. I have to listen to it.

Well, that. Now there's a reason. Okay.

I've.

We got to know where the zoo ref.

I've read and written the book out of order 40,000 times. So I actually don't. I know what's in it. I don't know where anything is.

Okay.

So I have to listen to it.

Yeah. Cuz it's not a linear book.

I went, here you go. Here's where I roughly. Here's the order. I roughly think things should go in. And they went a last notch. It should go like this. Harper Collins. They know what they want.

It's like they've been doing this for a while.

They're pretty good. Well, yeah. When HarperCollins tells you something, you don't really go. I disagree.

Yeah, yeah.

That's stupid.

That's fair.

I think it's a very good book.

Glad that you think the audiobooks worked out.

And hey. Hey. Dickhead. Dick face. Stupid piece of crap asshole. The. Remember you made fun of me for being first in sports humor, which is a made up category.

Yes.

Have you been overtaken on Amazon? I'm still number one in sports humor.

Oh, that's great.

Hell, yeah.

You and books.

I'm number one.

His first book.

I'm number one in hockey books.

Hey, that's good. That's good.

Number one in winter sports.

Oh, and you beat out that skiing book.

I can't.

And number 70, the skiing and shooting book. That's very popular. I'm number 70 in books.

Oh, no way.

On Canadian Amazon. Wow. And you look. I was like, damn. What are the 69 books ahead of me? And a lot of them are coloring books.

Oh, that makes sense.

That does make sense.

Yeah. Miss Rachel, I'm coming for you.

Yeah.

Really? 70 in total books in Canada. That's awesome.

Yeah, it's great.

Yeah.

Hey, shout out to everybody.

Oh.

I mean, yeah. Thank you.

That's great. Oh, is that it?

That's it.

Just easily. That's enough.

Mario got back to me.

What do you say?

Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh.

Pause the. Pause.

The ex.

He says. I can't confirm it.

He.

But they didn't tell us at the unveiling. I've heard.

Heard.

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