Transcript of Chris Long Talking Divisional Round, Adam Schefter On Coaching Carousel, Picks And Preview + Fyre Fest

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On today's part of my take, it is time for divisional round of the NFL playoffs. We have our good friend Chris Long on the show. Been too long. Too long. Live of the year 3 times?

I think first 2 years, he might have had it. Yeah. But right now, Jerry looks to be at the start of a dynasty.

Yeah. He's he's on fire. We have Chris Long, then we have our good friend Adam Schefter. We're gonna break down some of this coaching stuff. Is Dion gonna go to Dallas?

I it seems like that that's a possibility now. God, I

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1 of my favorite weekends of the year. Yep. Divisional round.

Hey, my sister's birthday.

Oh, no. I was not gonna say that. Happy birthday to Hank's sister. Happy birthday. What's up?

Happy birthday. I was thinking about it. I might wildcard weekend is great because it's 6 games. More football, more better. But divisional round.

This is this is it. This is the final 8 teams. These teams all have won a, you know, won a playoff game or had a buy. This is the cream of

the crop. This is this is my I've been pretty consistent about this 1. This is my favorite sports weekend of the year. Yeah. Because in wildcard weekend, sometimes you have you get some lopsided matchups, which we saw last week.

Divisional round, you get the the, prestigious teams. You get the elite teams Correct. Playing against teams where they win their wildcard matchup. And even if they weren't favored to go for the playoffs, they're like, well, maybe the Texans can do some damage this year, that type of thing. So this this is my favorite sports weekend of the year.

And, also, next weekend, 1 of my favorite sports weekends here too.

Oh, the championship? Yeah.

Yeah. Because you get to ticket I mean, that like, the championship round is always you remember who played in championship game. That's right. You don't always remember who played division round.

Next week is my favorite Sunday of the year.

Yeah. Yeah.

It's my favorite sports weekend of the year.

But I'm pumped, and I've thought about all 4 of these games back and forth. I I got this.

Some people were angry at me because I was like, the commanders are final 4 this weekend. This is the final 4, and they're like, there's not 4 teams left. I was like, there's 4 games.

Yeah. There's 4 games, and you're also are in the final 4 of the NFC. Final 4. Yeah. Have some have some conference pride, people.

Yeah. Come on. Get with the program.

Alright. We're we're gonna do our picks and preview. Do we have anything else going on? I know we're gonna talk to Schefter about coaching. It does I did see Eduardo's report that essentially said Deion Sanders, if he gets offered the Cowboys job, will take it.

Yeah. Now Jerry Jones, will he offer him the Cowboys job? I want it just because it'd be fun.

I think it'd be great. And I'm not even factoring in, like, yes. I have an anti Dallas bias. We've demonstrated that pretty clearly on the show that it's been fun to see Dallas at times lose, especially when Hank's rooting for him. I want it because it would be just an incredible story for the NFL.

Like, having Deion in the NFL, especially for the Dallas cowboys, would be awesome. Like, I wanna see Deion interacting with Jerry Jones, how he handles that relationship where Jerry, you know, he likes to have a guy that he can push around sometimes. Dion will not be pushed around by Jerry Jones. Yep. It would just be awesome.

It'd be good for sports.

Yeah. It would. It would be good for sports. So we'll see what happens there. Mike McCarthy did interview with the Bears.

He he did it in person because he wanted the free dinner, I assume. Yeah. That's Not a fat joke.

But 1 possibility

Yeah.

Also, maybe just a possibility that Mike McCarthy, he knows that face to face is way better than Zoom. That's true. Maybe not with his face. Right. Or also wait.

Maybe he just knew that if he showed his face on Zoom, it would look too much like him looking at the scoreboard.

Yeah.

He was fat confused.

It would take the whole zoom up.

Yeah. It's like the camera adds £40. Right. So maybe him being in person was just a slimming move.

That might be too. And I don't even know what the jets are gonna do. I feel like the Jets have been what what's going on, Meeps? And we'll Schefter will tell us, but what is going on?

There was a report that Aaron Glenn is his he wants the Jets. Jets fans want Aaron Glenn, which means we're gonna make the wrong choice.

Oh. Okay. Okay. So it's, yeah, it's it's straight it's it's as straightforward as possible that 1 side wants 1 him. The other side want like, there's there's a perfect marriage, and they will fuck it up.

So the Jets, they seem to be enjoying single life right now. They're, like, they're doing a lot of dating. They're figuring out what what their type is because they're meeting with everyone.

I hate Wait. How many did you do? Did you beat the Bears? No. The Bears did 20.

I don't even know how you could come up with 20 names.

I I think well, with the Jets, it's like they're doing GMs

GMs as well. Yeah. Coach.

It's like you're doing your own version of that OnlyFans check. Yeah. You're gonna Woody Johnson is gonna hold up a sign that says a1000.

A1000 candidates. This interview series.

I think they just also put in a request to interview the DC for the packers. I don't even know what they're doing at this point.

I think they're Robert Saleh? It it's, no. Robert Saleh, I think, is a finalist for the Saints.

Yeah. And the

Cowboys. And the Cowboys. The, yeah. I I don't really understand the whole process of, interviewing, like, 20, 25 guys. Like, I get the saying of, like, no no stone unturned or whatever.

There's some stones you don't wanna look under.

Yeah. David Shaw, you didn't have to look under what what that was. Yeah.

They just said a punt. Bunch of weird bugs and shit.

Yeah.

It said punt from plus territory.

I think David Shaw is a classy guy. Yeah. He's just a class act, so they just wanted some class in that building.

He's a he's a he is also a classic case of mistyming it. Yes. Like, he was the hot name for a while, and then, it was it kinda faded on him. You gotta just strike while the iron's hot. Alright.

So we don't we'll we'll ask you after what's going on with the jets. Did you see also our good friend, Jim Harbaugh, gave me and this podcast a shout out because he's also buying all of Justin Herbert's stock?

I saw that's insider trading for him, though.

Was he asked the question about you, or

did he just see the clip? No. The he saw the clip. Previous he he came in prepared. He the question was something like how did this game go and everything, and then he started answering it.

And then he was like, and 1 last thing, can you play it, Max? He was like, and 1 last thing. You know, big cat said this. And, I mean, listen. I'm I'm ready to buy stock.

There was kinda outside of the fact that it was I I love that he mentioned me. It's kinda cool how much he has Herbert's back. Yeah. Alright. Play it.

I agree with big cat, you know, from, where when he said, if you're if you're converse forgot about part of my Yeah. Paraphrasing this. But Big Cat said, if you're selling Justin Herbert's stock, and he's buying. I completely concur with that statement.

So we're gonna make billions buying Justin Herbert's stuff.

I mean, if you really think that Justin Herbert is a bad quarterback, I question whether or not you watch football. Yeah. Agreed.

I do. Oh, wait. Hey. Oh, hey. Oh, hey.

Hey, Susan.

I do in fact question to Hank.

Yeah. That's true. You are this is the you're the perfect person to be sitting on that couch being like, o and 2 in the playoffs. Thanks.

Yes. He's not a bad quarterback. No. He's talented. He's a very talented quarterback.

He's got talented. Yes.

He's got talent.

He's got talent.

He's got talent.

Talented. Also, Harbaugh in I

mean, if Lamar loses this weekend, like, again, it's kind of this it's like

He won't make him a bad quarterback. Quarterback. Lamar's obviously really good. But still, if you can't win in the playoffs, it doesn't matter how good you are. Who cares?

2 games is very early to say you can't win in the playoffs. Would you not agree with that? 2 bad games. The first game yeah. No.

It was they were 2 bad games. I agree with that. They were 2 bad games. Because remember the the first game, he didn't throw, like, interceptions, but he, yeah, he couldn't get 1st downs.

It's 1 and a half bad games.

But he, I I still I if next year they go and they're, like, at a home game and he completes completely shits the bed, I will start to possibly, like, you know, do some insider trade. You know, Nancy Pelosi unload a little bit of the stock, but maybe not say it. Cannons.

I think that Hank what Hank said a second ago is insane. That if who cares if you're a good quarterback if you don't win the playoffs? I care. I think it matters. Like, if if you're a good quarterback in the regular season, you're still a good quarterback.

Yeah. You do have to elevate your game. Yeah.

You just have to

You do have to elevate it.

Have people tacking on to but he can't win the playoffs.

Yeah. I I just think 2 games is way too early to say, like, he can never win in the playoffs. Yeah. Like, he if he gets a couple receivers and they get, like I said, a home playoff game and he's terrible, then I'll be like, you know what? Maybe there's something there.

But until that happens, I'm buying. I'm buying all the stock. Did you see also Harbaugh like a hockey guy? Is, he's getting a heart surgery and a hip new hip at the same time. Yeah.

He's getting the well, it's the heart ablation. So that's in in a shocking twist of Vince, I think I accurately diagnosed Harbaugh when he had that moment on the sidelines. I was like, he'll get an ablation. He'll be fine. It's like they're gonna shock part of his heart.

They're gonna put electrical charge into part of his heart and kill off the bad cells, leaving his heart stronger. It's like the buffalo herd

theory Jesus.

Where the buffalos get hunted the weak buffalos get hunted down by the predators, and then the herd moves faster in the long run. Damn.

Yeah. That's a crazy surgery.

Yeah. So his it's it's like they're gonna it's outpatient, I think. Just put, like, electrical charges on his heart, and he's gonna walk out of there feeling a 100% better.

Do you guys ever think about how crazy, like, surgery is? Is that do you ever do you like, even we're talking about the other day, LASIK. Like, they invented a way to shoot lasers in your eye to make you look to make you have 2020 vision for the rest of your life. Yes, sir. That's fucking insane.

Surgery's to me, the crazy part is just anesthesia. Yeah. They figured out a way where they can, like, kinda kill you for a second. You don't remember anything. You don't feel pain, and then you get just come back.

And anesthesiologists, I think, make bank. They make bank. Yeah. I want to be anesthesiologists after the Super Bowl every year. Yes.

Like, just put me in a coma until March Madness.

Yeah. Well, I we we've talked about the idea of, I really think it would do well like a a a pod that you could put your body into after a bachelor party for 24 hours that's, like, refrigerated. Yeah. You know when they when there's a spinal injury and they bring your body temperature down to, like, 86 to to stop the swelling? Imagine if so if you're like, alright.

I just finished a 3 day bender. I'm gonna go lay in this pod for 24 hours. They're gonna knock me out. They're gonna cool my body down. And when I wake up, I'll feel great.

That's why you gotta take the buffer day after the bachelor

party.

Yes.

Like, take that work that work day off on Monday. I had a Use that to recover.

I had a friend once who did a move that is was insane, but looking back at it, was like, holy shit. He might be a genius. He rented a hotel room in the city we're in and stayed on Sunday night just to just to sleep. Yeah. And then flew back on Monday.

I had some buddies that You

have the extra day. Like, he's very smart. Yeah. He's just like, we all were ready to go to the airport. And he's like, alright.

I'm going to my hotel. And like, what are you gonna do? He's like, I'm gonna probably eat dinner by myself, go to sleep at 7 o'clock, and sleep.

I had some buddies. We did that for a bachelor party in, in Colorado, where on the last day, they just said, okay. We're gonna leave. We're gonna go up to Denver. It's when weed had just been legalized there, like, we're just gonna get really high and sleep all day, Sunday and then into Monday morning.

Yeah. Go ease ourselves back into the real world. Yeah. I should even after doing, like, 2 nights where you don't sleep that well, it'd be awesome to have that pod go in at, like, 6 PM

Right.

And then wake up at, like, 10 AM the next day.

Someone invented that.

Yeah. We have we have all types

of surgeries, Max. Are you thinking about your bachelor party that you gotta go on or bachelorette or bachelorette?

Yeah. Yeah. I was gonna talk about that.

We haven't got a lot of submissions.

I mean, the submission we got last night is an all timer. Mhmm. You wanna say it? No.

Let's talk about a Firefest. Yeah. It's a

Firefest? You have a Firefest this week?

No. We we can just talk about it talk about it then.

Okay. Why not just I mean, we're naturally talking about bachelor parties.

That's fine. We'll circle back to the basketball parties.

We'll circle back to

the basketball parties. What's the issue?

It's football. It's time to talk about football.

Okay. I've won non football related that that I think it's 1 of the more fascinating stories of the year, and it's a soccer story coming out of Italy.

What is this?

So hey. Just just What a what a lead in. Yeah. We're talking about other football. So far, I'd say this is the story of the year.

Okay. Lazio, the the Italian football club Okay. They're in a bit of hot water right now because they have an official team Falconer. Falconer? The guy that flies the Falconer.

He does falconry. He does falconry.

Yeah. He's a falconer. Falconerist. Falk Falconer. He's a he does falconry.

Yes. So this guy, he's been with the team for years years years, and he he manages the falcon, flies around the stadium. They're the falcons? Their mascot is a falcon. Okay.

It's part of the pageantry.

Dumb question. Just

wanted to The Syria Club Lazio. Yeah. Yeah. This guy just got fired. K.

He got fired because he had a penile enhancement surgery. Oh, was it was

he fucking the falcon? No.

He was not Okay. Well, we don't know. Okay. We don't know. But I can't take a

story about a guy fucking a falcon.

I to my knowledge, he has not fucked a falcon, but it would not shock me if it went there at some point. Okay. This is a crazy story. So this guy got fired because he got a dick implant. That's not cause for firing, but right after he got the dick implant, he posted a picture of his dick with a dick implant saying what a great surgery he just had and how he needs to ejaculate at least twice a day with as many women as possible.

The owner of the club Mhmm. Said this Like, in his pants

or just straight up posted his dick?

Naked? I have not seen the picture. I've just I've read the articles about he his dick was out in the picture, and he's bragging about his his dick implant. So he was fired. The owner of Lazio was very, very upset with him.

This guy apparently lives on the training ground with the Falcon. He lives, like, in the team facility with the Falcon. He was suspended in 2021 because he was doing a Benito Mussolini salute, and then they brought him back. They said, okay. You've served served your time.

We're bringing you back.

So fascism okay? Fascism okay.

He is not. So he has been fired from the team for posting this picture, and then he barricaded himself inside the team's facility demanding that he have his job reinstated. So he's in a hostage situation potentially with the falcon, like threatening to kill the falcon to get his job back. And jerking off because

he gotta ejaculate twice

a day. To ejaculate twice a day. The owner also fired the doctor that did the penile enhancement surgery because, apparently, that guy's also the team doctor. So the team doctor gave the Falconer a new dick.

This feels very wrong in the fact that, like, it's an Italian league. Yeah. I mean, Italians are horny. They're horny. Why would the owner be against this?

This guy guy's just trying to get laid and and also lay better.

This guy Is the owner it might be like the owner is not Italian.

Oh, the owner's got a small dick. Owner's definitely got a tiny penis.

The owner is a 100% Italian.

Mhmm.

His name is, Lotito. Lotito. So Lotito. Claudio Lotito. Lotito.

And then, then he did come out and officially say that the the picture that he posted is worse than the fascist salute. Okay. And yeah. So the story just keeps getting weirder. I don't know what's gonna go on with this hostage negotiation.

If he kills the falcon, I'm I'm out on this guy. Right now, I think I'm on his side.

Claudio, people are the streets are saying that you're upset because you have a smaller penis in this guy. Yeah. Don't let that become the story. Yeah. Let this guy just keep his job and keep the falcons safe.

He's listen. What I mean, people get surgery to get themselves better. What what's wrong with that?

I agree. Like, some people on this podcast have had some elective surgeries, and there's nothing wrong with it.

No problem.

There's a so he had a procedure done. And, yeah, I just wanna say I stand with the falconer. Not

As long as he doesn't harm the falconer.

Not the not the Mussolini stuff. Yep. I disavow that. Yep. But I think let he's Italian.

Italian. Let him be a little bit horny. I think it's good for club morale. You don't wanna have a Falconer out there with a tiny penis. No.

That's awful. No. So he's trying to better himself. He's probably trying to improve the club's image as well. And if if he does harm the Falcon, then I'm out on this guy.

But right now, I think he's reacting as as you or I would Yeah. Here in this situation, which is to grab a bird, take it hostage, and then barricade yourself into inside your employer's facility.

While you masturbate all the time.

Masturbate all

the time.

I don't see anything wrong with this. And, yeah, we stand with him until he does

Until he hurts the falcon.

Harm the falcon, at which point we wash our hands.

I also it, like, it sounds like and I don't know the picture, but it sounds like he was just kinda putting out like a PSA. Yeah. Like, hey. I got a I got a awesome new dick, and it needs to get sucked. So that's what he was So could anyone anyone who's got a mouth, let me know.

The his explanation for it was I was promoting self love. I was promoting I was promoting I was shining visibility on a a part of lives where people are are generally afraid to discuss this. They're they're ashamed, and they shouldn't be ashamed. Look. I had the surgery.

It's good for me. You can too. Yeah. Yeah. Raising awareness of his bigger penis.

And just, yeah, self betterment should not be frowned upon.

They gotta get girls. That's how you break through the hostage situation. Yeah. Send some girls in. Open the doors and then bust in.

Yeah. Send some chicks in.

Alright. So falcon falconer falconry guy? Falconer? Keep keep fighting, but don't fight the falcon. Oh, also the the doctor that was fired by the team claims that he was not fired.

Oh. Because he's not under a contract with the team.

And also probably because Claudio wants that surgery

Yeah.

Is what the streets are saying.

Yeah.

Again, Claudio, don't make this part of the stories. Yeah. You're jealous of someone else's penis size.

So he he this guy is the team doctor, but he didn't have a current contract in place. That's just wild to me that the team doctor is putting dicks in. Yeah. But I guess it makes sense for Italian soccer.

Yeah. That's exactly what Italian soccer would be.

I bet you that guy that goes out on the field for the cowboys with the cowboy that doctor, that guy's definitely giving Jerry Jones a penile implant.

Yes. Oh, yeah. I I remember that guy. He's the funniest. Any any guy who's wearing a cowboy hat who's a doctor or a lawyer is always funny.

Yeah. How is Lazio doing this year?

I did not. Oh, they're 4th. Care to look that up.

They're 4th. So they're actually good. They're in the they're in the right now, if they finish where they're they're at right now, they'd be in the, Champions League next year. They're ahead of Juventus. So you're fucking up a good thing here, man.

Yeah. I think this is a curse waiting to happen.

Mhmm.

Waiting to happen. Okay. Should we talk some football, some American football? Yep. Alright.

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And I'm excited about all of these games. Saturday afternoon, we're gonna start oh, by the way, just a note. So there's 2 8 plus point favorites. And the 2 so 8 plus point favorites have not not lost outright since the Ravens lost the titans. Remember when the Ravens were the 1 seed in 2019?

And then the previous 1 was the Chiefs and titans, in 2018. So that was before Mahomes. I think that was Alex Smith. Mariota for the titans. Yeah.

So it's been a run for 8 plus point favorites in this round to win outright. So that's why I bring that up with the Texans and Chiefs because right now, the, Chiefs Texans versus Chiefs on Saturday afternoon, the Texans are 8 and a half point dogs. The over under is 41 and a half. I am not going to do the thing where I tell myself the Texans just won a playoff game. The Chiefs haven't won any playoff games this year.

You gotta take the Texas.

Yeah. Hank is. Hank is 100% gonna do that thing. Mhmm. Which that's good.

We need somebody that will do that. That won't be afraid. Yeah. The the Chiefs defense is completely different. Like, their their defensive line, Chris Jones against that Texans offensive line, I think it's gonna be an issue.

And the Chiefs are healthy. They're rested. They've got all their guys. We saw them at the end of the season. Don't forget how good the Chiefs are.

Don't stop forgetting how good Chiefs are. They're awesome. Their offense is is humming. Everything looks good for them. Andy Reid off a bye.

Don't overthink it. It's also gonna be a high of 17 low of 3 in Kansas City Oh. On Saturday. Oh. So, Hank, did did you count on that Oh.

That the Texas boys going up tornado alley to Kansas City playing outside at Arrowhead Stadium in the cold, that should factor into it too. Yeah. That's gonna be a problem for the Texans.

Yeah. Jalen Watson is is supposed to be back, which is huge for their defense because that if you had to say 1 weakness is when he got hurt, chief secondary, could be vulnerable at times. But I think this game comes more down to the Chiefs looking at their season. They did they did what they've done the last couple years where they won a shitload of games. They looked not great in some of these games, so people threw doubts at them.

And now they're coming into the playoffs, and their offense is fully healthy. Pacheco's back. They got Xavier Worthy, Deandre Hopkins, Juju Smith Schuster, is getting worked in. Hollywood Brown, like, they the last time we saw them, 8 guys caught a ball, and Patrick Mahomes had 320 yards and 3 touchdowns. That was against the Steelers.

Mhmm. So I think they're just gonna flip the switch, and this offense is gonna look great. And it's playoff Patrick Mahomes. Playoff Patrick Mahomes in the divisional round. You ready for this?

He is 6 and o. Yep. He has 1,813 total yards, 16 touchdowns total touchdowns, 0 interceptions, 70.4 completion percentage. He plays in this divisional round, and he's basically just he's, I mean, undefeated. He's lights out.

That's just what happens.

It should be 6 no asterisk because the Browns should have beat him that 1 year. But not actually. But they didn't actually. Yeah.

They didn't actually beat him.

They did. The Chiefs ended up winning that game. But, yeah, Patrick Mahomes in this round of playoffs. Lights out. Don't forget that.

Stop forgetting about the Chiefs. Is that this is the rematch of the original. Thanks for coming out. Yeah. Yes.

Back in 2019, the Texans were up 24 to nothing Mhmm. Against the Chiefs Yep. With 10 minutes left in the Q2. Yep. They're up 24 nothing.

The final score, 51 to 31, Kansas City.

That was crazy.

They just poured it on. They they were down 24 nothing, 10 minutes left in the Q2. The Chiefs were winning at halftime.

It's it was crazy. That's and that felt like that was right at the beginning of all of this happening, and and Patrick Mahomes are coming to Patrick Mahomes. He is also how old is Patrick Mahomes now? Is he, what, like, 28 years old maybe? Find his age.

He is if he wins this game, he has tied, Joe Monte. He's 29 years old. Joe Montana for playoff wins. That's crazy. It's crazy.

16. He still got a long way to go. Tom Brady has 35, but I was looking at it. I think if he wins this game, he has something like more playoff wins than I think it's, like, 10 or 11 franchises. Mhmm.

Just him personally.

Yeah. The graphics are gonna be crazy.

Yeah. So, it's, he's just so goddamn good. You can't forget about Patrick Holmes. Now, also, he gets the baby bump. Yep.

So he welcomed a 3rd child, gold golden Ray Mahomes, who I they're all 3 of their children are bronze, silver, gold. Mhmm.

It's kinda crazy that he waited for the third 1 to be named gold. Gold. Yeah.

Bronze is of I think bronze is the second 1 because it's Patrick the third is his son. So he's technically his nickname is bronze. And then, that makes sense.

I like that.

Sterling Sky is silver and then Golden Ray. Listen. People do whatever they want with their names. I mean, it's, you know, I also think when you I think the wealthier you get, the crazier you get with your names.

Andy Reid calls the sun 3 PM. 3 PM? For because Patrick is 2 PM, and then that's 3 PM. Yeah. Do whatever you want with your names.

I always thought that naming your kids various types of cheeses would work out well too.

Yeah.

You got Colby, Jack Mhmm. Pepper, Monty.

Monty. Yep. Gouda. Gouda. Gouda.

Who could forget baby Gouda? American.

Sharp cheddar.

American. Yeah. Yeah. White American.

White American. White American.

This is this is my son, white American. That actually rocks.

White American. Actually, I get to

name a, a litter of of puppies for Paws.

Oh, nice.

Because we won that, that auction at the Paws Gala. I might just go all cheeses.

We should go all cheeses.

Various types of cheeses for Paws.

Yeah. The let's let's at least say something nice about the Texas. I do think their defense is they won't get rolled over by the Chiefs. Their defense is elite. I'm just nervous about the Texans offense because it hasn't been good this year.

And it's there's a lot of there's a lot of, data behind them just not being very good. And in a game against the Chiefs, you pretty much have to play perfect to stay in this game. Now they did stay in the game when they played was it, like, 4 weeks ago? That was the game Tankdell got hurt. Did they only lose by 7, I wanna say?

Yeah. It it looked it looked close in the Q1 and a half, I wanna say. Yeah. So I I don't But the Texas defense is capable of of stepping up their game to a point where they can they can frustrate really good quarterbacks.

Correct.

We saw that with, with the Bills.

And the Chiefs offensive line is not great. That is another area of weakness. So I

I do think and the tech or Bills and the, the Lions. Right?

The Bills, the Lions, the Dolphins, the chargers, the Texas defense took those all those teams, and made their their offense look significantly worse than it is against everyone else. I just it's just Patrick Mahomes. That's the thing that I just keep going back to. Yeah. They lost, by 8 in the meeting they had a month ago.

So I'm not I'm not saying the Chiefs are gonna it's gonna be a cakewalk. I just keep looking at this 8a half, and I'm like, it feels like a game. The Chiefs are gonna be up by 7 for the majority of the game. And then at the end, you know, go on 1 of those patented late second half Chiefs drives where they just burn clock, get a bunch of third down conversions, either kick a field goal or score a touchdown to win by 10 or 14.

Yeah. Do you think there's any additional pressure on Patrick Mahomes now that his brother's biggest source of income has dried up with the TikTok ban?

Like,

now he now Patrick Mahomes is the breadwinner in that family.

It all.

Jackson Mahomes was independently wealthy,

Mhmm.

And now it's, like, all on his shoulders.

Travis Kelce, maybe. New heights is not I like memes thrown juicy memes tweet last night. Just showing some podcast charts.

What do you say?

Just bragging on our behalf.

I like that meme.

Which we don't really brag about it, but it was nice that memes brag on our behalf. Yeah. We just showed the rankings, and it was, us 1, and then we had 2 out of the top 3 episodes as well. So that's a that's just memes being a a good a good soldier for us.

Also, all respect to the Kelsey guys.

Oh, yeah. I I like both of them a lot. Like, I mean, Jason Kelsey is Max's

I don't Vision board. Yeah.

I mean, would it be his hall pass?

Maybe. I think Technically,

Max hall pass?

Max goes to sleep every night looking at a picture of Jason Kelsey. Like, this is this is my goal for tomorrow to do that.

No. I I I like both Kelseys. I also think that this is gonna be 3 Kelseys. Oh, yeah. Kylie.

Yeah. I do think this is where

And mama. And mama Kelsey.

No 1 talks about dad. It's bullshit. Mhmm. It really is bullshit. I do think this is where Travis Kelsey ramps it up.

Like, I like his overyards. I think this is he he he plays in 2nd gear for the majority of of the regular season. And then when you get to these points, the 2 things that I always look to is Mahomes rushing yards in the playoffs and Travis Kelce yards because that is when they need a big play, it's Travis Kelce or Mahomes using his feet. Yeah. And it's we've seen it time and time again, and I think that's exactly what's gonna happen on on Saturday.

I like CJ Stroud rushing yards too. I like the last week that hit, and you go back to back when he was in college. Yeah. In that playoff game, everybody's like, oh, shit. CJ can run.

Yeah.

He can use his feet. I think he'll do it again. That might also just be a product of plays breaking down sometimes around him. And he's not I think the Chiefs' defense is gonna do a very, very good job shutting him down.

Yeah.

But, yeah, I like I like the Chiefs.

Do wait. Now if the so I wanna I don't wanna because we we've obviously put a lot of love on the Chiefs even though, I'm sure there'll be some Chiefs fans being like, all you guys do is suck off Josh Allen and, you know, you never mentioned or Jared Goff. Never mentioned Patrick Mahomes. Who is the best quarterback in the NFL even though statistically he wasn't this year? You'd still take him 1 1.

The Texans. Hank, make us a case.

Defense makes a play. K. Control the ball on offense, Joe Mixon, Mixon, 2 touchdowns, own time of possession. Gotta get lucky. Mhmm.

I mean, it's that's a good game plan. Yeah. Yeah. Can we get a keys to the game for Hank? The cold card?

Cold the cold is is is I don't like that. Isn't it weird that I don't this probably just goes all to all the way back to candy ass uniforms, but, like, if you told me it was cold for Miami, I'd be like, they have 0 chance. For some reason, I'm like, Texans might have still have a little bit of a chance.

Yeah. I I don't know about that. Houston, Dome.

Yeah. I know. It's I'm I'm I'm admitting that it's completely based on the candy ass uniforms.

Not really a dome, though. They they open up the the roof a lot. At NRG? Yeah. They do?

Yeah. From time to time. So there you go. Snows like an inch in Houston, like, the world shuts down.

So that's true.

That is That's a fact. They can't handle they can't handle it.

What are you gonna say, Max?

I feel like D'Amico Ryans feels like a cold weather coach.

Yeah. That might be it. Mhmm. Yeah. It's very opposite Mike McDaniel.

Yeah.

It's the bald head, I think.

There's something about him. Feels like he can he can coach in the cold.

There's a toughness about him.

Yes. Yes.

That he yeah. The Texans are also wearing Joe Mixon's the key to the game,

I believe.

And they'll get lucky. Well, yeah. That's that's just a playoffs, though.

And, also, keep Patrick Mahomes off the field.

Yeah. Yeah. Yep. By Joe Mixon.

Score Those 1 and 1 and 3 are basically the same.

Let let me

give you another key to the game. Somehow hope that Carson wins his name starting quarterback. Hank, what would

you say would you say it's a key to game for the Texans to get sevens instead of threes? Not necessarily.

Oh. You stop giving away all my keys to the game for Oh, shit. Commanders. Shit. I've been teasing this all week.

Fumble oh, you gotta you gotta you gotta have a turnover?

That's the luck. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Get lucky, turnover. Pick 6? Pick 6, kick return touchdown, punt block. Can we stop? Can we I'm not gonna have any more keys left.

No. My keys are my keys are completely different, but those are valid keys. Those are huge keys. Yeah. But the Texans also wearing all white uniforms

Okay.

Which led to a lot of infighting amongst the Texans fan base whether or not they should be excited about this. I found a great interaction underneath the, the official team tweet about it.

Okay.

From Astros fade, we've never won a playoff game in all white. What are we doing? Texas uniform tracker replies, to be fair, we've never won any playoff game in white jerseys regardless of pants. And then sad Astros post, to be fair, we've never won any divisional playoff game. And then Astros fade replies and then Astros fade replies, we've never won a road playoff game in general.

Oh. So he's got not be the white pants.

You drill down a little bit and you find out it might not be the white pants.

Yeah. If this game was at home, we need we need the Texans next year to somehow get, like, a 2 or a 3 seed and wear white pants at home in the divisional round. And then we can kinda

Then we can parse out exactly where we're going wrong with

the uniform finish. Yeah. Okay. Let's do the next game. Commanders at Lions.

Lions are 9a half point favorites. Over under is 55a half. PFT, you've been teasing your keys to the game, so I'll let you take it.

Okay. My keys to the game.

Should I write these down? Yeah. Okay.

You should.

Hold on. Hold on.

Number 1.

By the way, people were asking what I was writing down during our vagina, conversation last week on Wednesday. I was drawing a vagina to see if I could get hard just looking at just a vagina.

Big Cat does take notes during episodes.

Yeah. Alright. Here we go.

Alright. Keys to the game. Number 1, fuck them up.

Fuck them up. I love that.

We gotta beat the fuck out of them.

Now would you you you can't say 4 quarters of fuck you football because that's Notre Dame, but would you like them to play 4 quarters of fuck you football?

I'd like to play 5 quarters of fuck you football. 5 quarters? Because you gotta be ready for a 110%. Fuck fuck them up. Okay.

Really, really fuck everybody up. Number 2, kill everyone.

Kill everyone.

Especially on defense. Women and children? Put the women and children to bed.

Women and children to bed.

That's that's key to a. Okay. Number 3, Jaden Daniels.

Yep. I think that 1 I'm gonna you know what I'm gonna do for that 1? I'm gonna underline it.

Okay. Underscore. Yep. And number 4, the 4th and final key to the game. I absolutely need an incredible hype video.

Yep. And in I'm talking this this has to be the best hype video that I've ever seen.

Yes.

There's a lot of I might make my own hype video. I

think I need

them. The best 1 we've ever seen.

But I'm going I'm going to be What a shot. I'm going to That was so mean, Peter.

I'm gonna make the best hype video you've ever seen. Don't

let him talk to

that. Yeah.

Talk to you like that. Hank Hank's a loser. Don't let him talk to you like that.

You're not even in the playoffs. You don't know shit about hype videos. I'm gonna make the best hype I've already got an idea for it as a matter of fact.

Well, if he makes a hype video, probably the best hype video he's ever made.

Ever made? Is ever made?

He's ever made.

Yeah. I'm talking the best hype video of all time. ACDC with, like, some glitter transitions? No. No.

No. Hater. It's gonna be I'll just I think it's gotta be Fix You by Coldplay. Oh. And I think it's gotta start Before Well,

I don't know about that. Oh, yeah. Wait. Is this after they lose and,

like, you're remembering them? No. You no.

Like, you're, like,

in remembrance? You start sad. And then it's, like, when you're lost out there, and then you got pictures like Dan Snyder. You got picture Archie 3. I'm Yeah.

That's you

got you got

picture of the stadium raining shit on fans. You got, Okay. That works. You try your best, but you don't succeed. And then it's a picture like the Sean Taylor statue that's not even a statue.

Mhmm.

It's all the bad stuff. And then he goes, ding. Lights will guide you. And it's Jaden Daniels getting

drafted. Tunnel. Yeah.

It's him getting drafted at that point. And ignite. I will try. I fix you. No.

No. No. No. No. No.

No. No. No. No. No.

No. No.

No. No. No. No. No.

This works.

That. It's

a yearbook video. It gets it gets exciting at the end, but that's when you show, like, the

Winning the Super Bowl. Super Bowl.

That was, let's go win it. But for the hype video, it needs to be, like,

right, guys.

It that's not a fire me up song. Yeah.

You don't know shit about hype videos here. This is my vision.

This is not

I'm a slurp in that corner. Woah.

No. It needs to be, like, Iron Maiden and shit.

Run Run for the Hills?

That was my first job here. It was hype make making hype videos.

Really? What was your best work?

I I did them for you. Doug's.

I knew that. I knew that. I knew that shit.

Can't you just let me enjoy my vision. You do your Were you texting him up to me?

No. Text him to Hank, and Hank would text him.

Oh, that's the problem. Hank was taking credit for it.

No. I wasn't.

Yeah. He was.

No. I wasn't.

He was taking all the credit. Do we

have a hype video guy now at Barstool? The Quiggs.

Quiggs. I okay. Make some good ones. No.

I said we don't talk about him.

Yeah. I'll talk to Quiggs, and

and we'll we'll work on it. But right now, I feel like just let me follow my vision, which is gold play.

I think people I think this should be a fan submitted 1 now because, like Well, you were just taking like, if if you if Quigg's makes it, it might be good. If Quigg's makes

it, it

will be good.

Just keep taking shots. Well, well, dude, he's like, I'm gonna make the greatest You don't think I can do it?

He can direct it.

Yeah. Direct it by Yeah. It's correct.

It's what I was doing with Max.

It's gonna be a PFT joint.

That's also not even I

think you should edit. I think you should send you a song and be like, here you go. You would do that,

like, once every 6 videos that I made. That was bullshit.

And probably whenever he said that, it was because I said it. I was like, I want this song.

That's probably true. Yeah. I was playing a lot of Call of Duty back then.

He was just being the middle man. 50, you should just do fan submitted because now you'll have, like, a 100 hype videos, and 1 of them is gonna be an absolutely incredible. Like, people are gonna make this now whether you ask them to

or not. Well, let me do the cold play 1. And then but I am interested in watching all the hype videos.

Okay.

Like, that's to me, that is a key for my game is to just you you gotta have great hype videos going to this week because it's us against the world. Washington versus everyone. That's what they're saying about this game.

I so my take on this game, and this is a compliment, I think the lions are gonna fucking kill him, but I can't bet him because of Jaden Daniels. Because I keep thinking in the back of my head, like, but what if Jaden Daniels does something crazy? Yeah. Like, the the lions are better, and they should they should the the commanders play a lot of, man coverage. The Jared Goff is number 1 beating man coverage.

I think they're Dave Montgomery is back. So I, like, keep going back. Like, the Lions can name their score, but then I'm like, but Jaden Daniels and, like, everything that happens in the voodoo stuff, I don't think I can bet the the the Lions. So that way I can root for the Commanders with you.

Yeah. A couple weeks ago, I said if we do if we win our 1st round playoff game, it we're gonna be very lucky if the Lions don't score 70 points on us. Yeah. Like, the Lions have they've got a great roster. They've got all the weapons.

They've got an incredible offense. I was shocked to learn that the Commander's rushing offense is actually better than the Lions' rushing attack.

Oh, wow.

It doesn't feel like that, though, does it? But I guess you gotta take into account Jaden's legs. Yeah. He's been a big part of that. Montgomery coming back, I'm I'm more afraid of Gibbs.

Like, I'm I'm I know that Montgomery is a great running back. But if you were to say, like, are you more afraid of a healthy dose of Jamir Gibbs or splitting time with him and David Montgomery coming off a PCL, like an injury that people thought was gonna be season ending. Yeah. I'm okay with Montgomery and Gibbs splitting carries. I just think that our our past defense has to step up.

Lattimore's healthy, I guess. I don't know.

I think there's gonna be on defense, I think we're gonna have a lot of moments where Lions receivers are running completely untouched somewhere down the field.

Did you know that our pass defense is 3rd is ranked 3rd? That doesn't feel right either, does it? No. The Commander's pass defense? I don't know I don't know how that works out.

But, yeah, I I wanna believe in the Commander's. If it becomes if it's a 1 score game in the Q4 That's

what I'm saying.

We win this game Yeah. I think. Yeah. But then you have to wonder what happens in the first 3 quarters, like but, I mean, think about it. The Bears went into Detroit and basically beat the Lions on Thanksgiving.

Yeah. Like, they're they've had games where they look human. The last month or so, they have not. They've looked incredible. Our our offensive line has done a much better job, especially with, with our center coming back, Piotis.

Sam Cosmi is playing really, really well. So I realized I haven't talked about any of those guys. I've just been focusing on Jaden. But we've had our our team has stepped up. We play we play weird games.

We will not blow anybody out. We'll be lucky to keep it within a score because Detroit is so, so good. But if we can keep it within a score, Jaden Daniels can go out there and

win the game. Yeah. And the and the the Lions' buttholes might get tight. Lions' buttholes might get tight. Yep.

The, the other thing I would say is Aaron Glenn, his defenses usually struggle with mobile quarterbacks. Like, Justin Fields used to, you know, give them fits. So and he's had that happen multiple times, not just once. So Jaden Daniels might be able to use his legs significantly on, Saturday. What are you looking up, Max?

This pass defense thing? For some reason, I've clicked on 4 different things and said 4 different websites said 4 different things.

What's the is it EPA, or what did you is it yards?

Passing yard I don't know. I I saw a couple things, and it had us listed as the 3rd best pass defense, and I was very confused by it. Like, Max, when I said that out loud, it doesn't sound right, does it?

I mean, this says 3rd here. I I'm I don't know what I'm looking at.

That's yards per game.

Yeah. But then this 1, I feel like I'm also looking at yards per. Oh, wait. That's postseason.

Get together. If we're the number 3 pass defense in the postseason, that's a a much different stat, but that's not the case because I think we're, like, the number 30 rush defense.

I the the only thing I would say about that is the lions are not like everyone else you played on the schedule.

Yeah. Correct.

So that would be they're just really fucking good. Yeah. And, but I

won't the Eagles pass defense is pretty good.

The Eagles pass defense? Yes.

And we put some points on them.

Yeah. No. I was saying the Lions offense. Oh, right. Your past defense versus the Lions offense.

Yep. Lions offense is is in that level of just I think it's essentially the the Bills and the Ravens. Mhmm. Those are the 3 teams where it does feel like whenever they wanna score, they're just gonna score.

We're gonna see ultimate Dans in this showdown. Yeah. Dan Quinn, Dan Campbell, both going forward on 4th downs all the time. 2 alpha dudes. And it's crazy because the history of these franchises, at least, you know, recent history, Tresway for the Commanders has been a great punter.

I I went out there. I bought a punter's jersey. He was the only bright light on the team for a while. And then, Jack Fox on the Lions, great punter. Now neither 1 of those guys is being used.

They were

both in weird ways, like, the best player on each team.

Yeah.

But, yeah, there's gonna be a ton of punts or excuse me. A ton of going for it on 4th down in this game. Not a lot of punts. 1 thing about the Lions defense, they are the 4th worst in the NFL at allowing explosive plays.

Mhmm.

So explosives, they allow on 12.4% of snaps.

Now the only counter to that would be they did miss Alex Anzalone for majority of their season. He does wear the green dot. So getting everyone in the places they need to be, you saw it against the Vikings. But, yeah, their defense is obviously the weakness. This could you could make this a shootout.

And I feel like when you make a game of shootout, it really is the the, randomness of the game. Like, if you're if you're a 9 point underdog, and you and you can score like the commanders can score, all you need is, like, 1, you know, 1 interception, 1 weird thing to happen to the Lions, you know, almost like breaking serve in tennis.

Yeah. I'm I'm going into this weekend thinking there's a very good chance that this is the end of the run. And if it is, what a great run it's been. No regrets. It's been an incredible season.

But I do think that there's a path. I think that don't write us off. Don't write us off because if it's a 1 score game, we can go out there and win the game. And the the top seeds are 11 and 7 in playoff games since the, format changed. So it's not like getting the 1 seed is, like, automatic.

You're gonna go to the Super Bowl. Yeah. I think the Lions I don't know. I just feel They're I've settled

all year 40.

I've settled all year the Lions are the best team in the end.

Are you gonna take the commanders?

I'm gonna take the commander's spread.

Okay.

And probably the over and just because that's the only way the commanders went. There's Max. Left hand up. Left hand up. Let's go, Max.

That, Max.

Let's go, Commies.

You're the man.

Let's go, Commies. I love Max.

You've always been on my

side. Always.

Let's talk about your game, Max. Rams, Eagles. Eagles minus 6 over under 43a half. Let's first say, Max, how did, how did the class go? So you have you have karma all the way back on your side, by the way.

Because we also got a little more into the story of the Eagles fan versus the Packers fan. The Eagles or the packers fan and this doesn't excuse calling, you know, a woman a cunt in the in the crowd, but the guy who was who whose wife was called that, he essentially did a GoFundMe to try to get, money to go to the game and and was like

And antagonize.

Antagonize and, like, and film it. So it it kind of is 1 of those situations where, like, everyone's a shithead except for the woman who just she's somehow a pawn in all this and, like, was the 1 who got disrespected.

She's like bait. Yeah. The guy husband's taken to the game. The Packers fan sucks too. So wait.

But the Packers fan did a GoFundMe probably to get all the way across the country from Wisconsin to Philadelphia to go see this game. Right, Max?

No. He lived an hour outside

of the He did a GoFundMe for that?

A GoFundMe for a goat?

A car ride. Oh my god.

So yeah. Doing a GoFundMe as just, like, a normal It's crazy. Random dude to go to a football game is insane. Insane. Especially 1 down the street.

Yeah.

It's kind of the name of the website, though.

That was what I the funniest GoFundMe I saw was a few months ago, some guy, like, got, busted at a Phish concert for selling it was it was something like, you know, hundreds of tabs of acid, like, a shitload of ecstasy, nitrous, and all this stuff. And he did a GoFundMe for, like, legal stuff, and people were just coming. They're like, dude, he he was a drug dealer. He sold those drugs. Yeah.

Yeah. It's like, I know that, you know, we all wanna party, but

Yeah. I like that.

I think the GoFundMe should go to someone, you know, a kid with cancer.

El Chapo does a GoFundMe.

I need

to I need to re up.

Yeah. But, yeah, that I I think you've been vindicated, especially with your class. So how'd it go?

Yeah. I took the class. It's a 4 hour class. I learned some good information, learned a lot about the Lincoln Financial Field and the security around it. However, big Dom got a heard about me taking this class and was not and was unhappy.

What'd he say? I don't know if

he was unhappy. He was he was concerned that he was concerned. You got kicked out for something.

Yeah. No. He thought I got he thought I got kicked out of the game.

Oh. Something. And did you explain it to him?

Yep. I texted. I told him the whole thing, and he was like Wait.

How do you find out about this?

He said I was tweeting about it. Oh. I I at first thought that there was, like, an an alert that that there was an alert that would, like, go to his desk or something as soon as somebody took the the test, which I thought would have been way funnier. Yeah. But someone just, like, sent him his tweet.

He was like, what happened to you this week?

Alright. So so, Max, you were saying that you were kinda panicking, and you weren't sure if you explained correctly in your text back because you were very nervous about what to write back to Big Dom. Yep. So let's just clear the air right now and reset. This Eagles fan was caught on video last week saying bad stuff.

Max, as a great representative of the city of Philadelphia, decided that he was going to get some good karma back, show that Philadelphia Eagles Eagles fans are passionate, but they're not all assholes. So Max took the, the course that the NFL offers for fans who have been kicked out of the stadium to learn more about empathy and appropriate stadium behavior in order to get all the good vibes back on the city of Philadelphia.

Correct. I was just trying to do my part. Yeah. Trying to do my part.

I do love the idea of Big Dom having a fax machine

next to

his desk. That's a And just every person who has to sign up for it, it just all it spit out was just a a piece of paper that just said Max in your picture. He's like, what

the hell? I know.

That's what I was really

my son. So watch on PMTV. But, Max, what did what did you learn?

You know, you always have to put yourself in the in the shoes of an opposing fan. Like, if if you were going into an opposing stadium, how would you wanna be treated? Curse words are not allowed at any moment. So use of foul language, disappointing. Drinking, it was a lot of drinking.

It was a lot about the rules of how much you can drink, what your blood alcohol level will look like if you are drinking, what can happen if your blood alcohol gets to a certain level. Stress management, that was another 1. It talked a lot about stress.

You need that.

Yeah. Yeah.

That's big.

It was it was not only the if things are going poorly in your life, you can be stressed out, but also if things are going well in your life, you can be stressed out. So that's another thing that about stress, and that could cause people to say things that they that they shouldn't be saying.

Did they give, like, did they do thought exercises where it's like it's 3rd and 10 and Jalen Hertz runs to the right and throws it 20 20 feet out of bounds? Like, what are you thinking?

No. They did not they did not do that.

Run a simulated game for you?

No. You're down you're down by 17 points, and AJ Brown's reading a book. Mhmm. What do you say?

Yeah.

Well, that was a motivational book that keeps him locked in.

Jake Elliott missed his 3rd PAT of the day.

That I'm worried about. I'm so worried about.

I'm worried about that as well.

Andy Swan had a great idea. It was, dress MMA fighters as opposing fan bases. So if you go if you go to, like, Lincoln Financial Field, have an MMA fighter dressed up in all packers gear, and then have somebody get in a fight with them, and then those guys get their ass kicked by the MMA fighter.

I like that. I like that. So let's talk about the game, Max. It's gotta be a Saquon game. Jalen Hurts has to get out of the concussion protocol, and your defense has to win this game because I don't know about your offense.

Assess those.

Disagree. It's gonna be cold. You're just gonna pound the rock. We're gonna our offense will be good.

I did have that question. So how how long do you have to live in warm weather before you get soft? Because Matthew Stafford, he played in, his only cold game, only game under 40 degrees in the last 3 years was the game against the Jets a month ago where they won 19 to 9, and they did not look good. He obviously played in Detroit, had to play in NFC North, go to Soldier Field, go to Lambeau. Is is there amount of time that you get soft?

Yes.

How quickly? 2 years. 2 summers.

2 summers. Especially the older

you get.

The older you get, the the joints, the they don't they don't do as well in the cold.

Yeah. 2 summers. Your first summer, you're like you know those videos of when they have a monkey and it sees the outdoors for the first time because it's been kept in a lab for its entire life? It's been, like, in the grass and it's like, oh, shit. This is awesome.

That's your first summer in warm weather. You're like, this is incredible.

Holy shit. I'm in Texas. I love that. Just I as you were saying that. Yeah.

You you know from firsthand experience here.

Yeah. Yeah. No. I got I got real soft. I got real soft over the course of, like, 9 years down there to the point where I moved to New York.

I was like, what the fuck is going on?

And now it's the flip where I think tomorrow, it's gonna be 40 degrees in Chicago. It's like, I might wear shorts.

Yeah. Now I'm hard. Yeah. I was soft. Now I'm hard.

But I think after your 2nd summer, then you just expect nice weather all the time. Yeah.

So that will be big. Matthew Stafford, older, doesn't, you know, doesn't play well in in cold weather. The other thing I like about this matchup, Max, is the Rams are somehow worse than the Eagles in starting games, which is pretty hard to do. But the Rams are 30th in Q1 scoring and 23rd in first half scoring. So that's you know, the Eagles have started slow.

It's they should not well, damn it. They they got a a fumble for 7 seconds of the game.

Yeah. That's that's the opposite of starting start.

I understand, but that fumble doesn't happen. They have maybe 3 points at most in the first half.

Great touchdown pass, Jahan Datson. Right?

Great touchdown pass.

It did happen.

But your offense looked like shit in the first half. Did it not?

They scored in the first 2 minutes of the game.

Yeah. 10 it was 10 nothing like that. Mhmm. Defense looked great.

I think your defense is is gonna win this game. And I also I Vic Fangio against it's a small sample size, but he played them this year. The Rams scored 20 points. And then the famous game in 2018 when the Rams were just ripping through everyone, and they came to sort of field and Vic Fangio is the DC, and they scored 6 points. I think Vic Faneu is gonna have he's gonna dial some shit up.

Nakobe Dean being out is a worry. That that's really my only worry on the defensive side of the ball. We're gonna have Orin Burks who's did not look great. He he's the 1 who had the the fumble on the kickoff to start the game, but, defensively, he did not look great last year or last week. And then Jeremiah Trotter junior is is rumored to be getting a bunch of snaps this weekend, and he's a rookie and hasn't gotten, like, any playing time.

So that's Nakobe Dean's, like, the play caller, the, you know, middle linebacker that is the leader of the team and not having him is gonna be worrisome for the defense, but I still like I I like our guys.

I think your offensive line will do a great job going up against 1 of the Rams strengths. We'll just I I if you were to say Rams defensive line, probably 1 of the better units out there, but the Eagles offensive line, I think, can neutralize them a little bit. Are you ever nervous on punts? I know you love Cooper DeJene, but are you nervous the way that he fields punts?

Yes. Every you we watch the game together on Sunday every single time. I just say, just catch it. Just catch it. Don't don't punts are the return returning punts is the scariest play in football for me because I feel that it has to be the highest percent percentage play of turnover.

Mhmm.

Yeah.

Like, it's very easy to turn the ball over on a punt, and it completely changes the game because it's 60 yards of field position or whatever that number is. Just hold on to the football, get the ball back to the offense, run the rock, win the game. Mhmm. Play good defense, don't turn the ball over, run the rock, win the game.

Love that.

Piece of the game.

Are you gonna go here down or up? You wanna get the packers with hair down. No.

I but but I put it up right before halftime because they went in they went into that lull.

Oh, so you gotta go up.

So I think I maybe start I think, like, the first couple drives are are gonna be down because the

Can I make a request?

Yep. No pigtails.

Overalls? Nailed it. Come on.

Yep. You have the Eagles' overalls. The people want the Eagles' overalls.

Everybody's been asking for the Eagles. You teased him last year, and he never wore the overalls. You gotta wear the overalls for them.

But if they lose, think of how bad of a look that will be if they lose, and I ignore you. It'll be a good look. But Eagle Philly fans will be so mad at me.

So you're just never gonna wear these overalls?

No. I'll wear them.

No. I don't think that you will. You have to wear them now or never because you're not gonna wanna win them in the Super Bowl.

Yeah. You gotta work them in. You should've worked them in the regular season. That was a big mistake.

Yeah. I know. I should've. But even I I there was just so many times I thought about it during the regular season, and then I was like, well, what if they lose? Then then I then it's a bad look.

Here's what you should do. You should wear the overalls and maybe wear a hoodie over it for the first half.

I don't hate that. Yeah. I don't hate that.

Work it in slowly.

It in. Yeah. Okay. I like that. Feel it out.

I like that.

Things are going well. You go overalls, then you have the overalls for the NFC championship.

It's Philly fans listening to this are mad at me, and they and I get an overwhelming response of do not wear the overalls. I I can't wear the overalls.

No. I I think you wear them, put the hoodie on over, and if if it's going good, then you can, you know Okay. You can demonstrate. And then if it's going poorly, you can also take the hoodie off to switch up the juju. Mhmm.

It gives you multiplicity. Okay. Multiplyity in your attack.

Alright. I like it. I like it. Yeah.

Okay. Complimentary overalls.

Yeah. Okay. The last game, best game, Ravens and Bills. Bills are underdogs. They're 1 and a half point underdogs.

The over under is 51a half. I'm so excited for this game. I've been trying. I think everyone knows that we're I think everyone in this room is wants the Bills to win because it'd be awesome if they went to the Super Bowl. Think the Ravens are probably the better team overall.

So I've been trying to make a case for it in my head that the Bills can win this game. Here's my case. The Bills defense in the 1st matchup was not they didn't have guys. They they they didn't have Milano Johnson, who I think is in concussion protocol right now and Bernard. All those guys should help with the run.

The Zay Flowers looks like he's not gonna play. And the last thing is the raven's defense has been incredible in the in the last half of the season. Right? I did look back. And in the last 5 games, this is DVOA who they played.

They played the browns with the 32nd defense or sir sorry, offense. The texas are the 26th, the stilas the 19th, the giants the 28th, and the eagles the 13th, their only loss. The bills are obviously a top 5 offense, and so maybe there's a little inflation in numbers. I don't fully believe everything I'm saying. I was just trying to make the case.

Okay. Here's another bit of, data point for you. I'm all over the weather this weekend. 8 degrees in Buffalo, in Orchard Park. The coldest game that Lamar Jackson's ever played.

Guess what it was? 35. No. 27. Oh.

So kinda cold. But this is the 8 degrees is very different.

And he said he wasn't going gloves.

Also, Lamar in their earlier matchup this season, the temperature was, like, 60, and he was wearing a a hoodie and a beanie for it. Yeah. I don't know that Lamar loves the cold.

Broward County.

Broward County. I I think that it is a very different team that the Buffalo Bills have right now. Home field advantage is gonna make a a huge difference. I have no idea who's gonna win

the game.

Absolutely no idea. I've been trying to figure it out too. I think I'm gonna bet the over. I'm gonna bet for football. I'm gonna I'm gonna root for good football.

No idea who's gonna win this game. I don't know if they can stop Derrick Henry. They're proud the Ravens are, much more complete team. The Bills have Josh Allen as an all pro, nobody else as an all pro. But that said, I don't know.

I feel like the Bills are playing their best football right now.

Yeah. I I just want both quarterbacks to play out of their mind and have 1 of those classic games where it just comes down to whoever has the ball last. I'm so excited for this game. Yeah. Hank, you think the Ravens are gonna kill him?

No. Oh. I think the

Bills can win. I want the Bills to win.

Yeah. But I do I do think the Ravens on you know, in totality are the better team, and Lamar's been out of his mind. Lamar's

probably gonna win another MVP. Might be his best season ever.

He's an incredible, incredible quarterback, and he's, you know, he last week in a playoff game was awesome. Yeah. I I I'm rooting for the Bills, but I I this is gonna be a tough game.

I was shocked to find out that Jim Nantz I think the weather matters more in the playoffs. People give it credit for it, to BST's point. Yeah. And Josh Allen

He loves that cold.

Yeah. Mhmm. So Jim Nantz is, quote, stoked for this game. Oh, shit. I never thought that Jim Nantz was capable of being stoked.

Did he say that with a Stussy shirt on?

He said it twice. He said I am stoked for this matchup.

That is the Cali in him. It is. How old are Jim Nantz's kids? That's definitely

He just found out on

his stuff. Kid is, like, 12. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And he lives in Cali. Tony? No. I think he does have I think he remarried and has a younger kid, and then he's probably a Cali teen.

Tony, I'm stoked. No cap. Bruh. Imagine if

you dropped a bra. Lamar has an incredible rise. Like, bruh. Bruh.

He he did not just do that, fam. And Lamar Jackson, bruh. He's different. He's different, Tony.

You just you just don't know how to spell gymnastics' name, Max?

Daughter born in 2014, son born in 2016. Okay. So he's got a 10 year old and

a 9 year old.

He probably is.

That's getting there. I mean, 9 9 is a 9 year old maybe skating. Yeah. He's getting those words. Stoked?

Yeah. Tony, you know, he's famous for calling plays before they happened. Last week, he called that they were gonna get this game at the end of the last game. He's like, can't wait to be up in Buffalo next week. And, I don't know if the network executives got bullied into making that the Nance.

No. It was always gonna be Jim Nantz and Tony Romo for this game.

Always. What are you saying?

I don't know if kids still say stoked.

Oh, they don't?

I I that seems like kind of

I don't know what they do in California, so maybe

I I would I would assume that Stoked is probably out of Oh. Vernacular?

I would I would

I was not saying that I'm in vernacular.

Yeah. No. In Alley. I was assuming

did they say Stoked?

I was assuming that Stoked was big in, like, the nineties, maybe early 2 thousand what

I'm thinking.

Then it went out, and I was assuming that maybe it it just started to come back.

I think Cali I think Cali is just part of the language. Definitely. Some Cali AWLs hit us up. Do you still say stoked?

Because I feel like

they still say hella too.

Hella stoked. This Twitter account that is just covers the world of ski lifts said so stoked to be adding Norway. That that that sounds

like like a universal I could also see Jim Nantz being big time into skiing. Yeah. Like, he probably spends a month in Aspen each off season. Stoked.

Okay. I'm so excited for this game.

After the game, tribute to our our darling Jake Marsh, I predict sportsmanship of the year. I predict the handshake between Lamar and Josh is going to include some form of now go out there and win the big 1. Mhmm.

Win it all. Go take care of it. Go beat the bad man.

Go beat the bad man.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Should we do our parlays? Because we have them.

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Okay. I'll give you ours. This is Max and I put this together. It is a AJ Brown anytime touchdown, over 35 and a half Dallas Goudert receiving yards, The Philadelphia Eagles to win the game, and Kenneth Gainwell over 9a half rushing yards. It's a 4 leg parlay, and it is plus 9.50 in the DraftKings sportsbook.

I like that. How much for Kenny?

Kenny over 9a half. Okay. I like it. 9a half.

Hank and I put together a juicy 1. Jamere Gibbs, anytime touchdown. Yep. Zach Ertz, anytime touchdown. Yep.

Austin Eckler, 25 plus receiving yards. That's Plus 800. Plus 800. I like it. I love

it. Love it.

Points bonanza.

Let's get some games going, boys. So excited. So excited for this. Bills Ravens. I'm just gonna soak in it.

Lay down in it.

Yeah. We need to upset Saturday

Okay.

For the vibes Gotcha. For your bets. Alright. Let's get to our interviews.

Been saying this. These playoffs

have sucks. Like No. I mean, it's just the

first round.

Get upset Saturday, like, we're the weekend's made.

That's crazy. Okay. Let's get to our interviews. We got Chris Long and then Adam Schefter.

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And now here's Chris Long.

Okay. We now welcome on our very, very, very good friend. It is 2 time Super Bowl champion, Chris Long. You can see him on his podcast, which is incredible. Anyone who loves ball should be watching, listening to the green light with Chris Long.

He's also doing a bunch of media inside the NFL. He's everywhere. He's everywhere. It is Chris Long. Chris, we wanted you we we've been trying to get you on for a couple weeks.

It was my fault on a lot of the scheduling.

But No. No.

Well That

was kinda my fault too. I was like, oh, I have a procedure. I'm going under. Yeah. And I showed up to the doctor's office.

They're like, no. It's just a consultation.

Yeah. And you didn't eat for an entire day before?

Yeah, dude. Just a mess over here, but it's good to see all this.

Great. First guess and part of my take history. Right? Yeah.

I know. I was gonna point that out, but I don't wanna toot my own horror. That's that's a big deal.

As a fact,

we're not so bad. Why did you ever come back?

Because, you guys became really popular.

Yeah. Good answer. That's that's a good answer. Good answer. 9 year anniversary coming up.

I feel like you came on part of my take, and

we were so bad that you were, like, I have to start a podcast because these fucking assholes Yeah. Are doing I'm way better.

Dude, I just remember it was so fun because, like, we got my dad on. I like I was doing it on my phone, I think, or maybe my laptop. It it was, like, 2,000 and what? What year was

that? Yeah.

So we were in the dark ages of technology, but I was doing it in my living room. My dad came to the door mid interview, and I I got Howie on the pod. And I was like, hey. It's the guys from Pardon My Take. And he was like, oh, cool.

Spot Spot guessed it doesn't exist yet. Awesome. Yeah.

You're gonna be sorry. And now he's been on your show.

Yeah. Yeah. And now full circle.

Yeah.

Alright. So let's talk some ball because you you know the NFL better than anyone. You know, playoff football better than anyone. I wanna go through every game, and we we already taped our preview. The Texans versus the Chiefs, and I have to say we didn't really give a path for the Texans.

So I don't know if you see this game differently, but we didn't give a full path for the Texans to win this game. We just kinda were like, Patrick Mahomes is Patrick Mahomes, and this is what he does in especially in the divisional round.

I hope it's not a blowout as a fan because if it is, you're gonna be like, damn, we're gonna have maybe maybe, sorry, PFT, maybe 2 blowouts, Saturday.

They

both I don't know. I'm I'm hoping that both of them are close Yes. Honestly. But here's the path. The path is now they've got Aziz Al Shayer back, who is legitimately a leader for them and patrol in the middle of the field Next to nobody's fast as him, at the linebacker position, you also get Christian Harris.

They played together for the first time, I think, all year, last week. So 2 really good players in the middle. I like the corners. The corners played really well. And, also, for the Chiefs in that game, like, they just got Hollywood Brown back.

Right? And to me, that gave them a new look that maybe Houston wasn't ready for. So not saying it's gonna be closed, but the path is if they can take care of the Mahomes scrambles, which they didn't in that first game that killed them, they can keep it, they can keep it closer. They had a chance in that game. You remember when they get the ball at midfield after tank tank Dell got hurt?

Yep.

And they were all just, like, they were crushed. You know, that really some injuries you can kind of move on from. I felt like that 1 kind of killed him, but they got the ball at midfield with a chance after stopping Kansas City on 4th down to take the lead, I believe. And they weren't ready for the moment. They they botched a screen, Schultz drops in out, and you're like, you know what?

This Kansas City team's been here in this game a 1000 times. Houston has not. And I think that was really apparent watching in the first game. We'll see if if they got better.

Yeah. We we always make the case because, you know, people will say, oh, Kansas City's lucky and and, you know, they get the flags and all that stuff. And we don't, though. Yeah. We've always been on the side of it's not luck.

It's the fact that they've been in all these situations. And when you get and and and if you make a single mistake, they will pounce on it. And that's the difference between a championship team and a team that's just a playoff team.

That's right. And I think also when you watch, like, Kansas City's offense and it might be different now. They started to open things up a little bit more. I think part of that is having Joe at tackle, Joe Tuohy, who makes a big difference. Like, that left tackle spot was our revolving door.

They couldn't figure it out. At some point, they said, hey. We'll put a guard out here who's pretty good. He's an all pro at guard, but we'll put him out here because we're gonna prioritize our best player being able to operate. And so I I think, what they were doing to that point was, let's get into 3rd and manageable, which they're so good at.

If they're in 3rd and 3rd and 4, you feel like you can't get off the field. And so I think that's the key to the game. If I'm Houston, you gotta say fuck it. Like, let's be aggressive early or early downs. Like, get them behind the sticks a little bit.

If they burn us, they burn us, but, we'll see. I think the slow start is another, you know, little hopeful nugget for them. You know, the fact that the Chiefs haven't played, and it feels like a month.

Mhmm.

And, you know, if you remember the last team to jump them in divisional round off a bye was Houston. It's a totally different team now. But you remember that game, coincidentally, on the way to New Orleans Mhmm. That trip we were just talking about.

Yeah. Yeah. That's 24 nothing in the 2nd quarter. I watched

her on the plane Yeah. On the way to New Orleans.

And then it was, like, immediately over after that moment. So Yeah. As a defensive end, you were talking about, like, keeping them in the pocket, limiting the the scrambling stuff. How has there ever been, like, a a game plan that you've had going into a game where you're, like, okay, we've got a great idea of how we need to limit this quarterback. And you get, like, really detailed with your preparation, and then you get in the game, and it absolutely does not work.

Yeah. Like, anytime we ever played a running quarterback. Like, the coaches I mean and now it's more the norm, like, where guys, if you can't move, you're you're there there's not many like you. And so I think more guys are like Jaden, not many like Jayden Daniels, but we're 3rd and short. You know, some element of quarterback run is a threat.

And I think with Mahomes, it's very it's very unique because he drifts if you watch him, and it makes playing offensive line for him a little bit difficult. It's like best job in the world, but he might be a 9 yards. He might be at 11. He might be at 12. He's gonna step up.

So rushing him is not as simple as, like, you know, staying down the middle and power rushing a tackle, which can piss a defensive end off when when all week you hear, we gotta cage this guy. Right? Which is basically, like, we gotta keep him in the pocket. That kinda takes your fastball away. And a lot of times at the end of those games anyways, you get you get your throat ripped out by, you know, some quarterback that you gave him too long to throw the ball, and then the DC is yelling at you, like, why didn't you rush him?

Uh-huh. You know? So it's frustrating, and then you'll play guys who do the read option you see like Lamar. You'd have coaches that would say, hey. Just blow up the mesh.

Get both of them.

Yeah. Just tackle 2 guys.

Physically impossible. Yeah. So, you know, the like, just having a running quarterback, you you allot so much time during the week to things that might not even happen, you know, to scenarios that might not come up, and that can take you away from doing the meat and potatoes.

Mhmm. Makes sense. So, you sound like you're on the Texans too. Right?

Well, inevitably, I'm not gonna bet it, like, a 9 point favorite. That's not fun.

Right. Yeah. Right.

Like yeah. You know what I mean? I'll I'll probably end up doing some stupid like a teaser or some dumb shit like that.

So That's actually not a bad tease what? You would tease them down to a point, point and a half?

You could tease Kansas City down. Yeah. Yeah. But then that means you probably gotta find a dance partner, and that's probably Detroit. But Vegas knows a lot of teasers

Yeah.

Saturday are gonna be just that.

Yeah. So gonna be everyone.

Somebody's gonna keep it close Saturday. And, I don't know. It could be this team. I don't know. It could be your guys.

Yeah. So let's talk about that game. I gave my keys to the game already. You probably know a little bit better. You're gonna get a little more granular than I did.

My keys to the game were basically just kill everybody.

And you said fuck them up.

Yeah. Fuck them up. Kill everybody and then Jaden Daniels.

To beat the Detroit lines, you have to be the Detroit lines.

Right. So

You gotta go for it every 4th down.

Yeah.

Right? Which you guys are very good at. I mean, like, you were 87% the other night before you got stopped, so it's probably down, like, 85. But, on the season, I I think the key to this game is y'all gotta get stops in the red zone. Like, Detroit's gonna move the ball.

Can you can you get them to be, like, 205 in the red zone? Mhmm. Or or, you know, like, there was a game last year versus Vegas where they totally shit the bed in the red zone. Like, can you recreate that that issue, for them? I don't know that you can.

It's just gonna come down to being aggressive. And if Aaron Glenn wants to play so much man, I actually have a lot of faith in Jaden. You know, you got you you're probably gonna have to a lot of spy. Right? And you can't take Anzalone out of coverage.

He's too good. You know, is it Jack Campbell? Is it somebody else? Like, I don't know, but Jaden Daniels with his legs. I kinda feel like we're just we're just building a path for the underdogs here.

Yeah. The path for Detroit is bludgeon them.

Yeah.

You know, like, David Montgomery, he's on track to play.

Yeah. Crazy.

It's like nuts. Like, this team is so tough. Everything they've been dealt this year, they've just dealt with it. I mean and and, and Dan Campbell, you guys I I know you guys love him, but as a football player, the longer he coaches this team, the more I'm impressed with him. Yeah.

I mean, they really have not flinched all year long.

I got a question about the Detroit defense, and you can explain this a lot better than we we know that the green dot is important. Yes. Alex Anzalone comes back week 18. He puts a green dot back on. What what like, explain it to us why it's so important and and how much it can change if you lose the guy who is your defensive captain getting everyone in the right spot.

Well, look. You get home field advantage. That's a big deal. Right? Like, it's a big deal for a lot of reasons, but it's really loud in a playoff game at home.

And you talk about communication. Like, I remember being in Saint Louis, and we never played in the playoffs, but there were a 100 instances of me screaming at James Larranitis. Like, what the fuck is the call? Am I stemming? Like, what's happening here?

Like, there he's like a he's like a service agent on the phone. Like, a bunch of people are calling him at the same time. Like, whether it's me, the other d tackle, somebody needs a call on the secondary. We need to we need to figure out what that call was tagged with. There's just a ton of, like, communication issues, but then not only that, like, he's a great cover guy.

Right.

And in the NFL now, you know, we kinda went through this thing where, like, backers, not important. Coincidentally, running back's not important. They're important again. But backers are really important. You play, and we're not talking about the commander so much, but any of these, like, souped up West Coast offenses.

Like, you gotta have guys in the middle that are rangy and that can cover. I mean, like, the Eagles, we're gonna talk about them in a second. They lose to Kobe Dean in a game where, you know, Matt Stafford is gonna be trying to chunk the intermediate part of the field all day long. And you see it, like, when they played Minnesota, Minnesota gives up a lot of chunks in the middle. Having a a dominant background in the middle of field, like, imagine if you have, like I'm not comparing Anzalone, but to illustrate the importance of the position, Fred Warner changes the entire game.

Right.

You know? And I think, like, for the Bills, when we get to that game, 1 thing we'll talk about is they were down 3 backers

Yep.

In that first game. So it matters. Not just having the green dot, but having good players in the middle field.

Yeah. Do you think any chance the Lions break out the Todd Bowles defense, the, double quarterback spy? Spy? Where Todd Todd did that at 1 point. I've never seen that before.

I don't know I don't know why. I it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. It didn't work.

I don't know why Todd Bowles did a lot of things he did down the stretch. Like, I was really disappointed in that Bucks team. Like, I kinda you know, when you when you pick a team to win the division, you kinda get married to them Mhmm. And you fall in love with them, and you justify all their mistakes, and you're, like, well, that wasn't that bad with what they did in Dallas with the season online. Like, they're better than that.

But in the biggest game, they kinda pissed down their leg with procedural stuff. And, the point I wanna make is the commanders, they've won a lot of close games this this year, including that game. I mean, when they beat Chicago, Stevenson was being an idiot. Mhmm. When they beat Atlanta, there was bad clock management by, Raheem Morris.

And then last week, the Bucks with the 3rd inches with the jet sweep that they drop on the ground. Like, there's a lot of teams that have been fucking it up, not taking anything away from the commanders in close games. Detroit doesn't do that. Like, they're as well coached on both sides of the ball as any team in the league.

Do you, are you worried when you when you talk about the red zone? Obviously, I assume that Dan Campbell's gonna keep coaching the way he's coached, and anything 4th and 4 or less, he's gonna go for. Are you in the mindset? Because I I've seen people be like, oh, I can't wait till Dan Campbell fucks us up again in the playoffs. I've been a big believer in, like, dude, he knows what he's doing, and it's also not a secret to his team.

Like, I think when we're sitting on our couch, like, what is he doing? It's gonna be so deflating. Those guys in the huddle, they know that, like, what he's going to do, so they're prepared for it if they don't get it.

Dude, I think I think it's twofold. Like, number 1, the schematic part of it, which is, like, the plays they're calling on 4th down are working.

Mhmm.

Even when they don't execute it, the plays were there last year in those big moments against San Francisco. It's like Shane Steichen last year with the division on the line, giving the ball to Gardner Minshew and throwing the ball in the flat. Right. And everybody's second guess is the call, but it's the execution of the call. So the the right calls are being made, and I think also you listen to his players.

After that game, their faith in his way of doing things was unwavering. And so, like, that's a big part of it. And I I I liken it to, like, if you have a a dad who walks around beating guys up. And, like, if he turns down a fight, you're, like, dad, wait. That's not who you are.

Right. Mhmm. I feel like every time Dan stares a 4th down in the eyes, like, it's like a game of chicken, and all his kids are watching. And if he turns it down, they all look at him like, what the fuck was that about? Yeah.

And and But

this game is,

like, literally, my Dan could beat up your Dan.

Yeah. My Dan could beat up your Dan.

Yeah. And and and Exactly what it is. And so a defensive perspective, like, I I know people will say, like, oh, the defense must be, you know, deflated when they don't get the 4th down. I feel like the defense knows that what the offense gonna do. Like, that's part of it's complimentary that they know you're gonna probably steal a couple, and you might have a couple where you get put in a bad field position.

Well, that that's what it comes down to for me is, like, when you play Detroit and being on a defense knowing it's a lot of the reason I think Greg Olsen has spoken to this, like, decisions to force a team to drive the length of the field or have to kick a field goal at the end of the game. Like, what you do offensively dictates the tone of the next possession. The tone of a possession where an offense has 4 downs is uneasy for a defense.

Right.

You know, like, everything you do is different, and I think you're always in that mode playing them, and it can create a lot of discomfort. That's why I think, like, early down pressure. You know, like, when they play Buffalo, the reason Buffalo won that game is because they got them off the field, like, twice in the first half. And if you're to believe that the commanders are gonna beat man coverage and and run up some points, then all you have to do in this scenario to keep it close is get them off the field once or twice. The way you do that, in my opinion, is time up a a a blitz when they're gonna play action and get Jared when he turns his back and try to, you know, cook some up on 2nd down, get him in 3rd and 12, get him in 2nd and 13, something like that, and then you got a shot.

Yeah. Yeah. It's I mean, it's gonna be

a very tough battle. The Lions are obviously a great team. I think Dan Campbell has done a great job playing into the whole macho man Dan thing, and he throws, like, a lot of red meat out to the press a lot. He's like, yeah. I do push ups in the shower.

That's where I work out.

That's what

he said?

Yeah. He said he gets his workouts in when he's in the shower. He says that, you know, he'll bite a kneecap off. We're gonna drag you down. We're gonna drown you.

I I heard that. I think

I'm more I'm more concerned with, like, walking into the shower, try to get a shower if I'm, like, the o line coach.

I think it

And Dan's doing naked push ups in the shower.

I think he means, like, at home that he works Oh, yeah. Work, but

Not in the communal shower.

Yeah. But again, I don't I don't necessarily buy into everything that he says like that because I think he does a very good job of playing this persona and then hoping people underestimate him. Oh, I'm And he's a super smart guy because if you look at how aggressive he is, he actually just goes for it when you're supposed to go for it based on math. So, like, he he knows those numbers.

He's the guy that, like, you know, what you see is what you get, but there's also a totally different element to him as you you just talked about him. Like, think of who he learned from. Sean Payton's 1 of the most aggressive guys in the NFL, like, faking a punt last week, stuff like that, the Super Bowl, the onside kick. So he's got that, like, Sean Payton edge to him. And, he's also got the intellect that comes with Sean Payton's 1 of the greatest coaches to ever coach, in my opinion, and and he's so ball smart.

He got all those situational nuggets from him, and then he puts his very physical, like, caveman edge on it. Mhmm. And you kinda I like a team to a Ferrari with mud tires. Like, they're they can do they can do anything. Go 4 wheel drive.

They can go 200 miles an hour, and that's what the Ben Johnson element gives them. The offensive line's awesome. Everything they do looks the same. It's all in sync. They're incredible.

Yeah. But they could lose 2 coordinators.

Yeah. Yeah. Good point. They could lose

2 coordinators. Alright. So, Sunday, what's wrong with Jalen Hurts? What's wrong with the Eagles offense?

Well, in this scenario, I thought it was a game plan. I thought the passing concepts look like last year, and any Eagles fans know what I'm talking about. Is it like spacing, very vanilla, not enough quick game? But I also think the game kinda played out in a way where they knew when they jumped on that football and turned it into 6 in the first 5 minutes of the game, Jordan Love can't hang. He might be dinged.

Our defense is I mean, they're physical. They're really good. And I think they just kinda played the game out in a way that suited that, to be honest, very shitty game plan.

Right.

Now they're not gonna be so lucky this week if they do that. In my notes here, I got written down McVay's script versus Philly slow starts.

Yeah.

That is it. You know, like, to me, how do you start this game? And I think if you look at the second half, especially that first game, Brandon Fisk is, like, 290. He's a great player. Love him.

Turner, great player. Love him. 297. The ends, they're really good rushers. I don't know if they can set an edge for 60 minutes.

Mhmm.

And, you know, we saw that last game with the interior that, that defensive line. Landon Dickerson, Jurgens. Jurgens is fucking huge, man. You know, he's standing next to the other guys. I was just there last week.

He's standing next to the other guys. He looks small, but he's like a WWE wrestler. Like, he's got that kind of build, and, you know, the guards are big, powerful. The tackles are big and powerful. I I would just lean on these guys.

Yeah. And so, that's it. The the concerns I have is, like, with the Kobe Dean down as I alluded to Stafford in the middle of field, if he's got time, I think there could be some uncomfortable moments in past defense.

Yeah. Where where is your heart at in this game, Chris? This is the Chris Longbow. Yeah. It is.

The Rams, Eagles?

My heart's with the my heart's with the Eagles, man. Super weird because, you know, playing there the last 2 years of my career, when St. Louis cut me after 8 years and moved, it felt to me like, alright. Well, I am a Ram, and I do feel a lot of pride when I watch, like, Jared Verst play or you're, not Nakobe Dam, all over the place, or Byron Young or the 2 interior guys I just talked about. I take pride in, like, oh, there's another group in Horns like our D Line back in the day.

Like, there is a sense of pride there. And I still talk to people in that organization. I have no bad blood. But when the team moves across the country, it's just it doesn't feel like home as much. You don't get out there.

And then obviously being a Saint Louis Ram, I'm always real cognizant of, like, they have Super Bowl parties without the game on. That's how much they hate Stan Kroenke and and the LA Rams and the concept of it. And for me, I don't I don't have that same vitriol, but, I was actually supposed to go out last week and be legend of the game. And, of course, the game gets moved, forest fires, the whole thing. So that got rain checked and then I end up in Philly.

When I go to Philly, man, it just feels like home. You know, it's like the most recent thing I did, and, that that city, like, what we did there, excuse me for really enjoying being there.

Yeah. It makes sense. That makes perfect sense.

Walk around that stadium, Beau told a story on our pod this week. Where, like, it's legit. Like, the people in the yellow jackets are, like, wherever you wanna go.

And I don't

know if they wanna hear that. Like, Dom's, like, where where do you wanna go? Come on, boo. He walked me in the locker room. Supposedly, Beau was in there before the game, sat Beau down in the coach's locker room, gave him a cannoli.

He has, like, a stack of cannolis in his locker.

Big Domgas? That's so awesome.

And and and he just pulled out a cannoli. He's like, hey. Just you and Kelsey, just take a seat. Wait. Chris will be down here soon.

So I just the feeling you get when you go back, it's hard for me to say my heart's with anybody but the Eagles, but I think it's gonna be a great game. And I think Matt Stafford is 1 of the best quarterbacks left in the damn playoffs.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Future hall of fame.

He looked good last week. He he looked kinda shaky in December, but what we saw last like, my concerns with Matt Stafford, I think they're gone.

Yeah. I agree. I mean,

him playing outside, that's kind of a different story. But Yeah. Yeah. He looks so good last week that now I'm like, yeah. The Ram the Rams could do it.

They're scary, man. Like, when you this is the 1 matchup for them. Like, if they can win this game Uh-oh. Look out. Because the 1 matchup I worried about for them was versus this offensive line in Saquon.

Yeah. Yeah.

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How much does it really suck, and who does it suck most for?

The fast guys.

Really?

I I think, you know, I I like, we got more meat on our bones. And for me, as a guy who was, like, quick, athletic, but not fast, I always felt like when it got cold, if I could just run the same speed Yeah. Then I was as fast as the other guys. And, I just think playoff football is better in the cold. Like, I'm 1 of these outdoor freaks.

I agree.

Like, you know, I'm watching the Miami Dolphins play, and, you know, it's complicated for me anyways, in Kansas City last year. And everybody's like, it's inhumane. Like, people getting frostbite. They lot people lost limbs. I'm like, hey.

That was incredible. Yeah. It's just there's something about it, and, yeah, I'm I'm a little twisted. I played football, but where you see people have to adapt to, like, totally unnatural shit and how they respond, like, you know and and in some ways, the best team doesn't always win in that circumstance. But that's what it's about in football is, like, reacting to whatever's on the plate that day.

And, I think it's cool as hell to, like, turn on TV in January and see smoke coming out of peep people's helmets and shit, you know, to to see quarterbacks wearing gloves and, like, I I do think it affects the the fast guys more. I think the I think the big guys like it. Yeah. And then we always have our conversations about, like, do you wear sleeves? Do you not wear sleeves?

That sort of thing.

Yeah. Yeah.

So is Derrick Henry a big guy or is he a fast guy?

I think he's both.

Yeah. So

that's a problem. So he

Unfortunately, he's both. I was just looking at Brian Baldinger's, social about, you know, them running Wildcat, and it was, like, all 22 end zone, and it was from Pittsburgh's side. So he's the furthest guy from the camera, but he's dwarfing Patrick Queen and Landon Roberts. He looks so unnaturally damn big, and he doesn't slow down, man. And so, yeah, they they gotta have 11 hats to the ball this weekend.

Yeah. Colder than that.

So the Bills' linebackers you talked about, it's a big difference from the first time they played.

How how

do they slow down Derrick Henry?

You you you have to commit to I mean, it's like, listen. I understand last week, I think part of running Lamar is to put something on tape where you're saying early in the game, hey. We're not always gonna give. Like, he's gonna pull this ball. And that happened at the cost of, you know, 8, 10 quarterback runs in the first half.

I would force them to pull the ball in the option, you know, when all things are considered, like, it's 5050. There are times where I saw Pittsburgh and their linebackers up on the line. It's really hard to have the quarterback, especially Lamar, from a place on the field like that. You gotta be really careful about where you have your second level defenders popping off to handle the option on the pole. I would be crashing on Derrick Henry and forcing the key to the entire game to run the ball 15 times.

Mhmm. Like, you know, the attrition of that, you never know. And so I would force Lamar to run the football. I think obviously, you're gonna have to play some base, but you feel a lot better about it. It wasn't just Milano.

They were down Bernard. They were down Taryn Johnson. He was a really important box player. He's a little guy, but he'll play big. And so when you run out Spector, Dorian Williams, and Morrow, I think it was the play linebacker against the Baltimore Ravens and the first play of the game is a trap for 87 yards.

That changes everything. The mood of the game, the tone of the game, how you call the game, it was like Baltimore got whatever they wanted after that, and a lot of it is because they just play a numbers game. If you're gonna stack the box, they're gonna play a numbers game outside. I think Monk has done a great job with the RPOs with screens, jet motion. So it's not just the slugfest, like, you also have to tackle on the perimeter.

But if Zay's down, and Orlovsky pointed this out on ESPN, It got nose ball.

He does.

Guys, I love Dan. Yeah. Okay. But he pointed this out with Zay Flowers down. Not only can you play more man, but the run fits are better off for that.

So I I think this team's changed a lot. And for Baltimore fans, I'll say this, this is the best team in the playoffs coming in.

Yeah. Mhmm.

And they played fantastic down the stretch. They've changed a lot too. You know? Hamilton moving to safety, putting Washington in safety, putting the fire out at safety was huge. I think your guy Eddie Jackson was there at some

point this year.

Yeah. And and in 1 of those games, it was like, man, the safety play was bad. So they improved that. I think another thing is, you know, that game was 1 of those games for Buffalo where it became apparent they gotta go get an outside guy Mhmm. To pair with Coleman.

And so they get out and and they get Cooper. They don't really have a number 1. I think their number 1 is is Shakir.

Mhmm. Agreed.

I think he's the most important guy, and he left that game in the Q2, I believe it was, so he can get a full day's work. I'm not making excuses for the Bills, but I think even Harbaugh said it. Like, this, you can throw that first matchup out the window, and usually you can. I can remember 2018, we're defending the Super Bowl. We played we started 46, and we played down New Orleans.

They beat us, like like, random mules. It was, like, 477, and Payton didn't let off the gas pedal, fucking ran the score up. And we play him the second time. It's a low scoring ball game, and we're a couple big mistakes away from winning that game and going back to the NFC championship. So things change a lot in 3 months.

Yeah. Yeah. The, so and I also think Sean McDermott's a great defensive coach. Like, I think he will he will figure out something to a wrinkle to throw at the Ravens. When you are talking about, like, a wrinkle, so to speak, let's even go back week 18, the Vikings and the, lions.

It felt like the lions had a a something they hadn't shown before, and they did a great job with Sam Darnold. How long when you go in with a game plan, you're like, we're gonna throw something at them that they haven't seen. How long does it usually last where it's like you know, until it's like, alright. Now they're gonna be able to adjust.

Well, if it's 1 thing, it it can it can be fixed pretty quickly Mhmm. On the sideline, on tablets, and usually that was above my pay grade when I was a player. You know, they were usually arguing about it in the linebacker circle or whatever. It's like this motion means this or, hey. They're trying to out leverage us doing this, and you make 1 adjustment.

But I think a lot of the times, it can really that counterpunch can knock you off your feet for the entire game Yeah. For the halftime. I felt like I felt like Detroit, you brought that up, and the Rams took that same game plan Yep. To play Minnesota. And, you know, I think when you watch Minnesota, for instance, they knew that, like, the longer in the down you go, the more dangerous Minnesota is.

Your zones expand. They find creases, but they also know that that as good as Darnold has been statistically against the blitz, this offensive line was in bad shape. And so I think you come into the game and you're worried about protection, but you don't think they're gonna they're gonna blitz that much. And I think then you go play LA, and it's in the back of your head. And this is what makes, you know, what happened to Minnesota so, like, it wasn't gonna change.

They knew coming to that game, the same thing could happen. And they they didn't call their best game, but it still happened.

Right.

And so sometimes it's just like, hey, we got you where we want you, and we're gonna find out early in the game if you can block the edges. Like, the other night, there was a sack on Sam in the Q1 where it was like a sandwich.

Yeah.

And both of those ends just fucking ran through the tackles. That's like, a code red thing.

Right.

And sometimes you don't know how Brian O'Neil's anchor is gonna hold up. You don't know how the left tackle's anchor is gonna hold up. You should have from the 1st matchup, but, yeah, it can really knock you off your feet.

That's that's my favorite 1 of my favorite parts about football is, like, Sean McDermott can throw a wrinkle in there. You can even steal 1 possession. Kinda going back to, like, your, you know, the commander's lines game. You can get them off the field once and a half. That could be the difference if if you're if especially in this game where it's Josh and Lamar who could score every possession if they if, you know, if they're playing well.

I think it could be a a a lower scoring game. I don't know. Like, you know, I I think for Buffalo, the key is gonna be being able to run the football, obviously, and I think they've done a great job. Both these teams, you kinda get lost in the shuffle talking about Baltimore who does a great job, obviously, but Buffalo and shout out to their offensive line coach, Aaron Cromer, and that whole group, like, they've done a great job, and they were in a lot of gap scheme last week and just kicked it. If you didn't watch the Denver game, and most of us did, and I was drunk and tailgating watching, but then when I went back, I was like, holy shit.

Yeah. It was like and this is an example, like, oh, early and often in the game, Vance Joseph probably had to contend with, oh, we can't stop the run.

Yeah. Yeah.

Which puts you in a bind and I think for Buffalo, what makes them good is I alluded to them not having a number 1. They really do and that's why people were doubting Josh at the beginning of the season. He's got a lot of good options whether it's the tight end, whether it's Shaquir, whether it's Coleman, and they're all different. And now you got Cooper. And another thing is the backs out of the backfield.

The backs out of the backfield can be a problem in this game, so I would look for that.

Yeah. I shadowed Aaron Cromer punched a kid.

Yeah. It's interesting.

He's you

say he doesn't, like, have a true number 1, But I I look at it like he just doesn't have a receiver where everybody is asking why isn't this guy getting enough targets. Right. So Which is nice. It's good. He's got really good options.

Like, Coleman's been pretty good as a rookie. And Shakir, the more I watch Shakir, I'm like, yeah. This guy is a legitimate star. He's awesome.

He's awesome. He is awesome. And and, you know, when you look at the Ravens, Hamilton is the guy you gotta know where he is. And it's easier now with them moving him to safety, primarily. You know where he's gonna be.

I think this is a game where you could get after Brandon Stevens. Yeah. And not to call somebody out, but, like, if you're playing the Ravens, you take your chances outside. Whereas last week, with the corners they have, they were like, hey. It's gonna be run game or work the middle of the field.

And that's what Josh did. This week, it's about outside the numbers.

Yeah. So if you're looking at all the coaches still remaining, and we're just talking about, like, during the game, x's and o's during the game and being a tactician, in between the white lines. What's who is the best coach that's remaining?

Well, I gotta give my respect to Andy Reid, number 1. Right? And and part of that is the extension of who you have as your coordinator. He's got Steve Spagnolo who is a total stud and, you know, has turned down opportunities to to go back and interview as a head coach before. So I put Andy Reid number 1.

And then number 2, I think Sean McVay is a wizard. I really do. I think Sean McVay is 1 of the best coaches of our generation. I think he's that good. And and I gotta put I gotta put Dan up there, because of his coordinators and his cutting edge kind of decision making in game.

Danquen. Yeah. I agree.

You

know, and then and then I'm not gonna ignore my boy, Sirianni. You know, I know that I know that that there's a hook here, and I got the the Eagles hat on, but you're asking about tacticians, and he doesn't call plays. But I I just wanna point this out, like, you know, the record is the record, and I think anytime you listen to players talking about his way of communicating, motivating, having a team ready to play, he's had some bumps in the road, but he's also, like, our age, dude. Like, not not say McVay is not young, but, like, I think he can grow. And he's grown even in this year alone, I think.

And hiring Vic Fangio was fantastic. I mean, Vic has been, like you know, you think if you had to take a a head coaching job tomorrow like 1 of us did, we would probably hire a former head coach to be on the staff somewhere.

Mhmm. Right? Right.

And, I think Vick adds a lot in this game and on defense side of the ball. So I just think it's Reid, McVay, in that order, and then you you've got a lot of guys that don't call plays. Harbaugh didn't call plays. Sirianni didn't call plays. Dan Quinn's a defensive guy.

You know, it's it's fun to see that defensive guys are back in in the NFL and, like, culture guys too, and they're showing up this deep in the season. Yeah. Yeah. It is.

I had a question about coaching because we have the coaching hiring and firing going on right now. When you you went through a few different coaches, with Handful. Yeah. With the Rams. What is it like when you're sitting there waiting for the new coach?

And, like, what what what are you hoping for and and and what happens when when that new coach gets hired and, like, how quickly they can maybe change a culture or maybe they don't?

Well, there's 2 things. Number 1, you want and this isn't the most important thing. Number 1 thing's winning. Right? But number 2 thing is, like, what kind of scheme do they run?

You know, who's gonna be the coordinator? How am I getting along with my new d line coach? What is the scheme gonna be prohibitive of me, like, taking that jump? Like, when I was a young player and watching spags getting hired, I was really excited, but we weren't good enough to turn that thing around. And the thing I didn't think about was, like, what kind of defense does he run?

Like, that's what I should have been thinking about, and that was different. Like, I had to play in a 6 technique, and, you know, like, the defense is a little bit different than the 1 I played in the year before. And then when Fish came, you know, I'm like, okay. I'm back in a wide 9. This is a lot of fun.

You start calling players that played for him, you know, or played for him. You know, if you got somebody in a Rolodex, you hit them up. But it it's usually like it's like opening a Christmas present, but you have to do it, like, every week if you're a St. Louis Ram. Right.

You know? Like, it feels like it happens way too much, but, by Jeff Fisher, I was like, hey. Whatever happens, happens. And he ended up being, like, my favorite coach, that I had in Saint Louis. So, you know, yeah, I think I had a total of, like, 5 or 6 head coaches, if you include, like, interims and guys that came and went in Saint Louis.

But, you know, it keeps you hungry if you're on a bad team and the coaches change all the time because you gotta prove it to the next group.

Yeah. Yeah. It's true.

It makes it harder, but it also keeps you hungry.

And I feel like we're right at that that time in the cycle where SPAGs is starting to go he's gonna get some interviews. People are gonna be interested in having SPAG as

a head coach.

At some point, I feel like the thing I mentioned, culture guys, defense, I mean, that's kinda back in vogue. And I think at some point, like, things can get stale. It hasn't with him. I think maybe the day Chris Jones moves on, I would consider it. Yeah.

But but I think the interesting job right now that we're talking about is Vegas. I texted Dan the other day. It's kinda wild card, but it's starting to shape up a little bit. The fact that y'all would y'all send a private plane down to pick him up Yeah. To come interview in Chicago?

Yeah.

You know, I don't think it'd be the worst hire in the world. Like, I think court of public opinion has eventually come around on on McCarthy. There's some guys that are never gonna like him, but the players like him. And, at the very least, I think they have a high floor with him. Yeah.

But what that tells me is that Ben Johnson might not be the guy, and it makes sense because of the the GM alignment. Yeah. You know, you guys have a GM in place. Like, Ben has made it. And Ben's done a really good job.

Sometimes you can make yourself really valuable, not just by your play calling, but turning down the job last year, it adds a little bit of mystique. Right? Like, you're like, I don't put out.

Yeah. Right. Right. Everyone wants you a little more. But Yeah.

But you're exactly right. Like, this is gonna be a very interesting test case because if he takes the Raiders job without a seemingly without a quarterback, turns down the Jaguars and the Bears, he's basically saying, like, you guys should have fired your GM.

Tom Brady.

Yeah. And

you should and you should have fired your GM. You should have given me a shot to bring in my own GM. Like, that was stupid of you.

And, hopefully, you're not kicking yourself because, you know, if he's, like, as good as people say, he's gonna be, like, then maybe you are. But I think what's interesting about the Vegas job is, like, Mark Davis is not, like, known to be a cash fluid guy.

Yeah.

And I hate to talk about me and PFT's good buddy.

Yeah. Good friend.

And we met at the Wynn Yep. By the koi pond.

I was so high on mushrooms.

I was I was hey. And, hey. We just come from I don't know where we had come from, but, I was like, there he is. Let's talk to him. But but there is a rumor that he's floated like a really big number.

And, if he did that, what a burn the ships, like, move that would be, especially considering all the the coaches that he's had to buy out. And, you know, I think the Tom Brady effect is real for Ben Johnson. He must really think, like, this is a valuable thing, and he must have been given some assurances along with the fact they they fired Tom Telesco, the GM last week. You know, I I think that bodes well for Vegas, but, you know, the most interesting thing is this weekend, Tom's gonna be calling that game. I know.

And it's gonna be so funny to hear him try not to talk bad or, you know, like, just listen for the dynamic, as the game goes on.

Yeah. It's interesting. Big Cat's never said a bad thing about Mike McCarthy before, so I think he's Never. He's totally cool

with it. He's he's he'll be fine, man.

He'll be he'll be good. I never How

do we how do we feel about I you remember we talked midway through the season, and, you know, you were getting excited off the Jacksonville game.

Yeah.

And I tried to bring you back down the road, but I I think he's gonna be okay, man. I I like the kid.

It was it I really liked it. Say it is, like, you can't script a worse, set of circumstances, and that that obviously makes me look stupid because I said it was the best set of circumstances, which I'm a moron. But, I you know, next year will be very telling because it you I mean, like, he literally went through 3 OCs. A a head coach changed. The the head the interim was his OC for 3 games.

He looked good. So it was a mess. Hopefully hopefully, the Ameren gets figured out.

Dude, I I I was impressed with him this year as bad as things were and as bad as he played at times. Like, I was impressed with his mentality. I was impressed with his toughness. I was impressed with his his, his just his, like, leadership, it looked like for a young player. Like, just the fire in his belly, like, when things are going wrong to to give a shit.

Yeah. Like, the winning that game at the end of the season, like, means nothing, but that meant a lot to him. Right?

Absolutely.

And

so, you know, I I I look forward to seeing him with somebody competent, and, you know, we gotta work on, like, maybe not answering every phone call.

Yep. Uh-huh. Yep. That was unfortunate. That was very unfortunate.

I also think he played that off pretty well. Chin. Yeah. Exactly. Like, that was a good response to it.

Rolled with the punches. Yeah. I I've been telling big cat that Mike McCarthy I wanna see it just because it's very funny considering everything Big Cat said in the past about Mike McCarthy. Yes. To have him now be the head coach Yes.

That's an interesting dynamic. But I I When you get him on Yeah.

You have to

I'm gonna read all the tweets. Yeah. I'll read all the tweets.

But I the more I think about it, it is a safe choice. And when you look at his history, he's probably gonna make you a pretty good team, but Caleb, in my opinion, physically has the tools to be special. Like, an incredible quarterback. Mike McCarthy, if you're looking at him as, like, a a high floor play Yeah. I I don't know.

I think you can do better. I think that if you really want to maximize what could be a great quarterback, like, 1 of the best, if not the best in the history of your franchise, you kinda should take a shot at that point.

Ben Johnson. Who would

be who would be the high floor plan? I'll put y'all on the spot.

I think Johnson. Well, I

I know Ben Johnson, but No. How do we know?

I

think I think McCarthy is is gonna be good. I don't know if he's gonna be great.

Ben Johnson's a swing for the fences. Yeah. He could obviously be fair.

Swing for the fences, but there's also like, hey. We have to build that offensive line that

your 2 all

world running backs have been running behind. And Jared Goff's actually pretty fucking good.

Yeah. Yeah. No. He is. And and it's you're right.

Like, you don't get Ben Johnson's offensive line when you get Ben Johnson. That's a pretty big deal.

Can he bring the guy with him?

Right. That's a pretty big deal.

Sark. What about, like, some wild card?

Todd Monken. I like Todd Monken. I don't know. I mean, there's some names out there. It's gonna end up being McCarthy.

Tabitha.

Oh my god.

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Oh, favorite bet of the weekend. Jeez.

Yeah. Favorite bet of the weekend.

Golly. I am on the spot,

I'm gonna bet it.

Please don't.

Yeah. Favorite bet of the weekend.

I went, like, 55 and 31 picking 5 a week this week or this year or whatever it was, and I went 14 last week.

So K.

Playoffs different different game.

Read me the lines at this point?

Yeah. The, the the, Chiefs are 7 point or 8a half point favorites. Excuse me. The lions are 9a half point favorites. The bills are 1a half point underdogs, and the eagles are 6 point favorites.

That's a lot of points in Philly.

I know, but you wanna do it.

What what's the first half rams line? I mean, I I'm not gonna say it. I'm not gonna say anything about Philly and the Rams.

We can connect the dots based on what you've already seen.

You know I'm inevitably gonna bet Buffalo. Like Yeah. If you're you're gonna do it anyways, Why don't we just do it? Yeah.

Uh-huh. Yeah. Plus 1a half at home.

Just 2.

We're gonna bet bet buffalo.

I am. I know that game's gonna come around because I've said it, like, I have no idea who's gonna win. But I know when the game is about to kick off. I'm like, yeah. Fuck it.

Let's go buffalo. Or you could tease

the Buffalo Bills

Yep.

With The Eagles. Philadelphia Eagles.

Yeah. I like that 1 too.

Or And then yeah. Close to the heart, You know? Yeah. On both on both things. I like so.

I like teasing them with the Chiefs because I feel like Chiefs, you tell me that they win by 1 point or 1 and a half points. That that feels like a pretty good chance to take.

Yeah. It does feel good, but it's not it it would make it so not fun if, like, you're, like, trying to celebrate, like, seeing an upset.

Right.

And, you know, that's that's the biggest enemy I have betting during the playoffs.

You're right.

I always love seeing the dog.

Yeah. You don't want the guy you wanna be the guy who took the the 1 seed against the 16, and then, like, a UMBC happens. I did that.

Yes. And then you can't even well, you you fucking motherfucker.

Well, you won a title the next year. It doesn't matter. Wait.

You bet against Tony Bennett's gone. I know. I know. You bet against UMBC?

No. What's the big deal?

But I was at

I was at a wedding that weekend, and it was in it was like a Baltimore wedding, and there were, like, 10 UMBC people at least.

That's how that's gotta be the most UMBC people in 1 room ever.

In 1 room ever. And they just happen to be, like, at this fucking wedding, and I'll never forget, like, waking up so hungover the next day. And all the people that that gave me the, like, hey, you know, tonight. Oh. On the way in, they fucking oh, they didn't even mean it.

Oh. And they were right.

Oh, that's brutal. I like CJ Stroud over 14 and a half rushing yards. I like that much too. Yeah.

Yeah. You know what? Hey. Shameless plug. You could check it out on on our show.

I'll have my shit together by then. Love it. Because I because I I it's too early in the

week. Okay. I gotta check it out.

Sharps, we wait. Yeah. You know?

I've loved watching you on TV, Chris. You've been very good on TV. You've worked with

Thank you.

With coach Belichick.

Yeah. What

what's that been like behind the scenes?

Dude, he is the funniest motherfucker ever. I mean, he has the advantage of, like, surprise because, you know, you don't think of him that way. And even having been coach Obama, I knew he was funny in his own dry kinda way. But, like, the production meetings in the morning, my face hurts from smiling. Yeah.

And it's also he's like he's like a football dad. Like, you just wanna follow him around and ask him questions. He's been fun, man. You know? And they took the UNC job.

The morning he took the UNC job, we were all, like he walks in the production meeting. We're, like, coach, oh, you know, I'm playing the UNC fight song, and he sits down. He's, like, you you believe everything you fucking hear in the media. And then 4 and then 4 o'clock that day when we all leave, he takes the UNC job.

So good. So he has signed the contract.

Has not. He's

a steel trap, dude. No. What?

He has signed the contract. Technically signed the contract.

Well, you know, he likes he likes to make things interesting.

Yeah. Always. Alright. Well, Chris, you're the best. We'll see you in New Orleans, man.

Thank you so much.

Dude, can't wait. Let's get after it, man.

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Okay. We now welcome on our very, very good friend, Adam Schefter. He's the ESPN insider. Now I just want everyone to know that this is not going to cover our yearly combine tradition where we'll just go backwards in into the entire year of tweets and stories. This is solely because we need to know what the heck is going on with the NFL coaches, hiring, firing, where everyone's going.

And I think we have to start in the most intriguing spot, and that's the Dallas cowboys. And what let me start with this. How close is Mike McCarthy to staying, and how did that all fall apart, like, you know, in the last couple of days?

Well, before we get to Mike McCarthy and it falling apart, first, I'll have to say that 1 of the coolest things of my career so far has been to watch my daughter on the Nickelodeon broadcast Yes. Introduce you guys Yes. And make you a part of the of bikini bikini bottom. Right? That was pretty cool.

It technically wasn't us. It was big catfish and Manatee. Yeah. She

did a great job, though. I appreciate that she introduced us before she introduced LeBron James. Yeah. I thought that was the correct order.

I should've started with that. You're absolutely right. She she did a she did a fantastic job, and that was we were the Leo meme. We were explaining. We were watching it because we had the main TV was the main broadcast, and 1 of the side TVs, Nickelodeon.

And PFT and I both just looked up and were like, what the heck? And, she crushed it.

Yeah. Well, you know, the funny thing is is that was the first game that she's done. She's done 4 or 5 games that I haven't been right there with her. I had to be in Bristol on Sunday morning for Sunday count, and I tried to figure out all these ways to get to Houston, and there were no late flights out, no early morning flights out. And so my son took her, and so I'm sitting there at home like a regular viewer watching her, and she pops on the screen.

I think her first hit, her very first hit that day was you guys kinda showing you guys at at the game. So I hope you guys enjoyed the

Oh, I loved it. Yeah.

Game of Bikini Bottom.

And she did a great job. You must have been a very proud dad.

Yes. Yeah.

Well and the great part was sitting with my wife, and I know that she's gonna do the postgame interview. And I said, yeah. We'll see who it is. I I don't think it'll be Joe Mixon because I just don't think they're gonna

be it. Yeah.

And they said, let's go down to Dylan Shafter standing by with Joe. I'm like, they did it.

They did it.

Joe Mixon uses the word ass in

hell. Very funny. Alright. So, Cowboys, give it to us. What what happened with Mike McCarthy?

And then are they gonna actually hire Dion?

I first of all, I know a lot of people felt like Mike was gonna be back, including myself at 1 point. Like, okay. The players are coming out and supporting him. Jerry's coming out and supporting him. He wants to be like, it was going that way.

But it's 1 of those things where I guess it's like a couple dating. Well, yeah, they're gonna get married, they're gonna get married, they're gonna except the guy never gives up the ring. And after a while, at some point in time, the woman's like, you know what? Either you're gonna give me the ring or I'm moving on. And I think they sat down, they went over football stuff all week long, and it became apparent that Jerry wasn't committing long term.

They never ever got into negotiations. They're moving forward with insights and observations about the football team. Now was there something that was said or done in those few days between the end of the season till the time where both sides said that they parted or going their own ways? I I I don't think there was. I just think it became apparent over the course of those conversations that the cowboys weren't entering into negotiations.

Like, okay. At what point do you realize, like, wow. He's eligible to talk to teams Tuesday at midnight, and there's been 0 negotiating. Like, we're gonna wait till midnight on Tuesday before you realize he's not gonna be back as the Dallas Cowboys coach or what? Yeah.

And I just think it went in that direction and to the point where both sides knew that was the way it was gonna go, and then they memorialized it and made it official.

Yeah.

Because when they blocked him from doing other interviews, it felt like that's a move that you would make if you were progressing towards a new contract. Right? Right.

Yes. Yes. But but here's the thing. I think sometimes you're trying to explain actions that aren't so easily explained with certain people. And, also, they knew that it wasn't like they were denying him the right to go take the bearer's job.

Right? Because in person interviews can't even occur until after the divisional playoff round. The Bears have been all over the map. Mhmm. And if Mike McCarthy is gonna talk to the Bears, he's gonna be able to do it next week.

Whether this is then or now. I almost feel like it's like again, to use that dating analogy, you know, okay. The girl wants you to propose. You're not propose well, can I go out with no? You can't.

But now a week later, you can. Like Yeah. Mhmm. It's it it applies there too. And so I just think that in the end, ultimately, that's what they decide to do.

Each side went its own way. And when they said no, you you didn't know whether that meant that they try were gonna try to get something done or whether they were just kinda being Dallas. And that's what they were doing, being Dallas.

So, who's who if you had to handicap a 3332 names that you could see going to Dallas, who is it? And it we're all just intrigued about the the Dion part of the wall.

Everybody is. Right? And and I think that again, we're gonna hear other names come up, but I think Kellen Moore is a logical name because he fits there, knows how it works, can do the job on Jerry's terms, wouldn't cost what it would cost to hire Mike Vrabel. It it it fits in so many ways, but then you also have the allure of a guy like Deion Sanders. And, it's not like Jerry, I don't think, has to interview Dion.

He knows Dion, and Dion knows him. Although you'd wanna hear his ideas for the program and what he would be thinking going forward. And and so look. I think Jerry changed his mind a couple of times on McCarthy going along this. And I think it's possible, probably likely, that he, like other teams, go through this process and you think, you know what?

I think I kinda like this guy, and then you talk to this guy, you're like, well, I like that guy. And then this guy makes up ground. So it's it's hard to forecast exactly how it's gonna come out. I would just say, like, Ellen Moore, squaring contention. Deion Sanders, if that's the way Jerry wants to go, squaring contention.

Could we get a guy like Leslie Frazier or Jason Wheaton cup? Yes. I think it's possible, but I I think that Kellen Moore is the logical name, and Deion Sanders is the really fun intriguing name.

Yeah.

Yeah. And we'll

see once they go.

It's like the 2 the 2 angel the angel and the demon on Jerry Jones' shoulder. The splash hire is always gonna be in Jerry's mind. He's like, you know, Deion, instant excitement for the Dallas Cowboys. Good for the brand. Kellan Moore makes the most sense.

Well, but but no. But, Pete, the splash hire may be the logical hire here.

Mhmm. Yeah.

The logical hire here. We you know, we just don't Dion has got something of the Midas touch. He's he's incredible around people. I, you know, I think he'd be great. I really do.

I and in fact, again, I said this on get up this morning, but I go back to this call that I got in October of 2023. GM calls me up and he's like, hey. Write this down. The next head coach of the Dallas cowboys is gonna be Deion Sanders. I'm like, really?

He's like, take it to the bank. I'm like, okay. Why do you say Jerry loves him. He loves Jerry. It's gonna happen.

Will it happen? I I we're all waiting to see. It'd be unbelievable for everybody. Be great for the Cowboys. Be great for Deon.

Be great for shows like yours and this. Mhmm.

Yeah. Big time. Right? Do do

you think that Deon would would want his son to play for the cowboys if he was gonna be the

head coach? I don't view that as a viable option right now. That doesn't mean that at a later date that that couldn't happen. But first of all, Dak Prescott's got a no trade clause in his contract. He's the highest paid player in football.

They just paid him. Like, it's not practical Mhmm. To move off Dak, and I don't think they're thinking of moving. They want Dak to be there. And by the way, like, are the titans who have the number 1 pick where you'd potentially would have to be to take Shador?

Are they gonna go trade that pick for Dak, the highest? I don't know about that.

Yeah. Mhmm. Yeah.

I mean, it it just it's to me, that's more fantasy football. I know I know Deano's talked about the fact that he'd wanna be with his son. Well, okay. But that would be ideal, but it's not practical right now unless the Titans wanted to do something. So I think it's more along the lines of he's got great respect and affection for Jerry Jones, and it's the Dallas Cowboys.

And I don't know if he still has his house. I I still think he does. He's had a house in that area.

Yep. Yeah.

Who's the franchise? Like, I mean, it's a no brainer. So that that's 1 that I think could, get him to change his mind.

Okay. So, other other spots. Are the bears gonna lose out on Ben Johnson? It feels like there was a lot of momentum of Ben Johnson in Chicago, and now all the momentum is switched, and it's Raiders for Ben Johnson and Mike McCarthy for the bears. Is that fair?

Where where where is it? Where is it at?

I would just say this that, there's a lot of Ben Johnson Raiders talk. Right?

Mhmm.

A lot of conversation about that. Right? And that may happen. Like, it could, but I don't think the Jaguars should be dismissed.

Oh. And I

don't think the Chicago Bears should be dismissed.

Okay.

I I really believe that all of them have something of an equal opportunity. I don't believe there's 1 ahead of the other, and I think there are 3 potential options, and we're gonna see how that goes.

Yeah. And and what what is it with Ben Johnson? Is it is it, he wants the most money? Is it, you know, obviously, the 2 the 2 out of the 3 of those have quarterbacks that you would think, you know, Caleb Williams and Trevor Lawrence. The third has Tom Brady as part of partial owner.

What what do you think he prioritizes?

I think when you're going through 1 of these job searches, it becomes obvious to you and apparent to you over time who wants you most. And I don't mean in the form of money. You guys have been through this yourselves in your life. Just think back to people who have wanted you and how that became evident to you. And I think that Ben Johnson is gonna be in a situation here where I believe he's gonna be open to any 1 of these situations, and the landing spot will make itself apparent and evident to him over time through the conversations that either he or his agent have with that particular team.

There are drawbacks, questions with each 1 of those openings. He's going to have to get sufficient answers before he proceeds forward. There's not gonna be a perfect spot, but there's gonna be a good spot in the end. And it's up to him to pick really the best of the that are out there that are after him. And and I think I really believe right now he doesn't know what that will be.

Yeah.

But again, it will over time materialize and become clear. You know what? Boy, this this team's this team is doing what I want in the front office. This team is handling this the way. They're gonna structure this the way.

They're saying they're gonna, this team's giving me more years. This team's giving me more money. This team is saying, come do this. Like, these things become apparent to you over time. And I believe the same will be true here of Ben Johnson, and I don't believe there is a favor right now.

Mhmm. I really don't.

Okay. Okay. I like that.

What kind of questions maybe not in the the sense of the Ben Johnson interviews, but if it's a coach that is not seen as, you know, someone who gets to pick their destination, what kind of questions are asked to a coach prospective coach during an interview for the head job?

You know, I've never been a part of the process, so I don't exactly know. But I know that a lot of that time is spent going over staffing and their visions for the team. And if you're a team like the Jets, I'm sure they're asking, okay, if you come in as the head coach, the GM, what are we doing at quarterback? Like, they wanna know their plans. And by the way, the Jets have asked for permission from basically every candidate out there except for Robert Saleh, which at this point in time, I wouldn't be surprised if they turn in commission for him at this point.

But I'd wanna know the ideas of everybody. Like, what are you doing? What what do you think that we should do at quarterback? Yeah. Because somebody may have an idea that you hadn't thought of that can help you at that spot.

So I I've never been a I would love to be a fly on the wall in 1 of these head coaching processes. It it would be fascinating to see. And again, just like just like we're talking about the team over time distinguishing itself and becoming obvious to a guy like Ben Johnson, I believe the same is true in turn where a candidate distinguishes himself over time and makes it such that that team believes that that guy is the right guy to go get.

Yeah. Yeah.

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We saw Rex Ryan, your colleague, has has distinguished himself, a lot on the airwaves. Is he is that is that gonna happen, or is that ship sailed?

Well, I don't think the ship has sailed. Listen. Rex is so passionate and so confident, and he's so unique. And, you know, I love working with the guys so much. I'd love to see him give the check.

I I told the story to somebody. I'm like, I'm sitting at the kitchen table, and the local news comes out, and they say, and Rex Ryan's interviewing for the Jets, today. And, you know, my wife and daughter, they don't know anything about football. Like, Rex Ryan, like, didn't he coach there 10 years ago? I'm like Mhmm.

Yeah. They're like, well, didn't didn't they fire him? Yeah. Well, why are they talking to him now? I said, well, they haven't been back to an AFC championship game since they fired him.

Yeah.

Right? So Rex knows what's worked in New York, what succeeded. I would never I would never underestimate Rex. I'm personally rooting for the guy, but let's see how the process plays itself. I think, I mean, I think a guy like Aaron Glenn is a favorite in New York.

And I believe Aaron Glenn is absolutely going to get 1 of these head coaching jobs, whether it's in New York or New Orleans. So if it happens to be in New York, well, that knocks Rex out of the Jets and he doesn't get the job then. If it doesn't happen with Aaron Glenn, does Rex come into play? I he's got a lot of friends, a lot of relationships there, and and and I'd love to see it. Although, I hate to lose him from ESPN because he's so great to work with, but we'll see how it all plays out.

Is there I I wanna go back to, the cowboys real quick. Is there anything to do with Belichick still possibly looking at

the Cowboys? People keep bringing this up.

Yeah.

I know it is lingering out there. I just don't see it. Mhmm. I just don't see it. Like, they I mean, I'm gonna take Bill at his word.

He said we didn't come to North Carolina to leave North Carolina. We came here to be here. He said all kinds of things along those lines. He's in high schools every single day. I don't care that his contract isn't formally signed.

I don't care that he's connected to the here's my question, a better 1. Let's do it in basic common sense. Give me a place right now where you believe he fits naturally as a head coach. Go through the openings, and I could blow up every 1 of those places for a different reason. Like, there's not even a logical fit for him out there right now.

Possibly the Raiders with Tom Brady?

No. Don't see it.

The Cowboys' the only 1 that comes to mind for me.

By the way, I I I I understand why people would say that. I don't see it. I think Bill obviously had to be aware that that job could open. Like, he's not an idiot. Everybody knew that McCarthy was in the last year.

I'm sure that a close look was taken at that situation. For whatever reason, he took the North Carolina job. I just don't see a fit for him with these current openings anywhere for me.

That's 1 of the things that I I was looking at when the the story came out. I think it was Jonathan Jones reported that he has not signed his contract officially at UNC yet. I don't know how common that is. I don't know if it's if it's 1 of these things where coaches, frequently get to work before signing on the dotted line. I know he signed a term sheet, which is different, and it's not legally binding to him.

But, I mean, Bill has signed a a napkin before and said this is legally binding. So

The the way the way it's been explained to me is they have an offer sheet agreement, which is common as the state of North Carolina works out the details. It's a process there to get a deal finalized. There isn't a gray area, but they have an offer sheet agreement, which is common in that state right now.

Got it. Got it.

So who would be a good fit for the Raiders?

Well, Ben Ben Johnson, I believe they're definitely interested in. You know, whether or not they see, that remains very much in question. And then if they don't get Ben Johnson, what do they then do? That's where I think it gets really interesting. Who is their next choice?

I don't have an answer for you right now. Like, again, they haven't met face to face with a lot of these candidates.

Yeah.

We could just throw people up at certain spots and talk about it, but I don't know how much that makes sense right now.

It feels like there's maybe too many teams, and I count myself as part of this, who are just banking on, like, well, we'll get Ben Johnson.

Well, let me say this. I I believe that Ben Johnson is the big domino here.

Yeah. And

so I think the raiders are waiting to see what happens with Ben Johnson. I think the bears are waiting to see what happens with him. I think the jaguars are waiting to see. So right then and there, the process has slowed down. Then we have the NFL and its clunky process slowing it down even more to where no face to face interviews are even allowed with coaches under contracts to teams until after this upcoming weekend division.

So that slows it down. I mean, the you know, again, it's great to talk about and wonder about and speculate, but this is still really early in the process. Yeah. And there's a lot that's gonna play out and a lot that's still gonna change.

Yeah. Let me ask you this.

Is there a possibility that Ben Johnson does what he did last season and just says, I wanna be aligned?

I don't see it this year. I don't see it. Ben Johnson has turned down 2 years of opportunities, and I don't care who you are in this league. At some point, you have to take the plunge. The money is too great.

The opportunities are too great. You can't keep turning down jobs year after year. And, again, the Lions might be this good again next year. They might be. But this is the NFL.

They might not. And if they're not and he doesn't take 1, well, all of a sudden you're on your coordinator salary as opposed to a head coaching salary of anywhere between, I don't know, 10, 11, $12,000,000 a year. Like, there's just too much money to turn it down again. Mhmm. I don't believe it's gonna happen.

I believe he's taking a head coaching job this year.

Mhmm. Do you think maybe maybe Glenn and Ben Johnson a little bit too focused on doing outside interviews, maybe taking their eye

off the ball this weekend? Why you have agents though. That's why you have agents to go over that and gather all the information and find out the answers to the questions while you're coaching the game. Like, that's an agent's job. And he presents everything to you boiled down so that you can then sit down with your wife and figure out what's best before you're going into he he has an idea about it.

Like, we're not oblivious to this. He knows what each organization is about. And by the way, yes, he's getting ready to coach in an incredibly important postseason where the Lions could make history and have an unbelievable memorable run for that city, but but he's a human being. He also is aware that there is a career altering option in front of him.

Mhmm.

So, of course, there's gonna be some thought given to that.

Is it, is the NFL going to do anything about Tom Brady being an owner of the Raiders and calling that game this weekend and then and then being able to interview Ben Johnson before?

You know, here's what I say to that, honestly. Like, Tom Brady has spoken to Ben Johnson. He'll go through this in the interview. Do do you think he's gonna sit down there this weekend? Well, Ben's getting ready for the biggest game of the season and be like, if you come to Vegas, here's what we're gonna do.

And what do you like, did they Tom Brady is a professional. Ben Johnson is a professional. They're not doing that this weekend. I know there are sensitive people, but I think you have to be practical about it. What are we talking about?

Yeah. And it also feels like I assume I've never been in 1 of those big production meetings, but aren't there, like like, 10 people in there?

Correct. It

would be a leak. Yeah. If he used that time for the

It'll be Kevin Burkhart. It'll be all the producers, the directors, Aaron Andrews, Tom Rutt. Like, they're all around there.

So if he doesn't, we'll find out. There will be a leak. If he actually does that. Yeah.

They wanted me for a glass of wine later to the like, do you do you really think they need to do that? What are they gonna go over there that they haven't before or couldn't in the future?

What do

they have to do at that moment that has to get done the night before the commander's plate? The the Lions. Like, come on.

Maybe Tom just flashes him that winning smile and charms him with his eyes.

I was getting nervous about it.

That could be?

Yeah. I I was I because I I think the Bears are gonna end up losing out on Ben Johnson and get Mike McCarthy, which it'll be fun.

I'll just say this, big cat. Yeah. I don't know how it's gonna go yet, but here's what I would say. He may not be a bear. Absolutely.

That's possible. But I would just say right now, at this stage of the process, right now, don't lose the faith.

Okay. I like that. Alright. So Shefty, I got 1 last question for you. This has been awesome.

Again, we're gonna do we'll do our full sit down in Indy, which we always love. Go to

all Did anything happen this year that there is to go over? I don't know.

Well, we'll find 2 things. Stuff. We got we got some stuff, some beefs. Rhoback question rhoback.com, promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, Rhoback.com, promo code take.

Please tell me that the NFL is not going to change how the seating works because 1 season, the Vikings won 14 games and had to play on the road.

It it it's never happened before. I don't see them changing it anytime in the future. The league is always looking at ways to innovate and improve, but I've heard this complaint. Remember the year where the Seahawks won the division with a horrible record? It was, like, 500, and then the Saints had a much better record and had to go to Seattle for the opening wild card game.

And that turned out to be the Beast Quake game where Marshawn Lynch had 1 of the most memorable runs in NFL history, and the sound level, in that stadium match a new world record. The league is intent upon rewarding division winners. I I don't see that changing anytime soon.

Okay. Good. Good. Good. Division should matter.

Yes.

Now now now could the league nobody said this, but I'm we're just talking out loud logically. Could they then say, okay. We're gonna have the division winners host games, and then after that, we'll recede? I I I I don't know. Does that even make sense?

I maybe. I don't know. But I've never heard any momentum or movement to change the way the playoff seeding system works.

Okay. Mhmm. Perfect.

That's what I wanted to hear.

I appreciate that response. Yep. That's the correct response.

Alright. Well, Shefty, you're the best. We'll see you in maybe we'll see you in New Orleans, but we'll also see you

in New Orleans. Hold on. How nervous is PFT about Saturday night?

I'm I'm nervous. I think the Lions have a great team, but they don't have Jaden Daniels. They don't. Period. That's how I feel about it.

Like, if if we can keep it within if it's a 1 score game in the Q4, I think that Jaden Daniels will go out there and do something special and win the game.

That's where he's most dangerous. Right? 6 comebacks in the final 10 seconds of games this year. No rookie quarterback ever has done that. He's become like a modern day Joe Montana, John Elway with the ability to improvise and run around.

Guy's been incredible. And 1 person there said, he covers up for a lot of our sins.

Yes. Yes. He certainly does. On that note, Kliff Kingsbury, is he gonna get a a job offer, do you think? And would he accept a head coaching position?

Because he said, you know, when he left the Cardinals, like, oh, maybe it's a good thing that I'm not a head coach. You know, a lot of stress that he dealt with. Do you think he's gonna get an offer, and would he accept?

Let me start by saying this. If I'm Kliff Kingsbury and I'm happy, I'm in no rush to leave Jaden Daniels. I know I've got arguably the best young player in football on my roster. And so if something materialized and it was ideal and it was great, sure. I don't know that he's looking to rush back into that world.

Right? He I think he's still being paid by Arizona. He doesn't have to it's not gonna impact his bottom line any. There's a lot of stress on that. I don't know that he's gonna get 1.

I don't know that he really wants 1. I don't know that he cares about 1. I think he cares about playing the Lions right now, and we'll see how that process plays itself out. Like I said, to me, Ben Johnson, Aaron Glenn, getting 2 of the 6 openings. Now we're down to 4 openings.

You can go try to figure out who those other 4 guys are gonna be that are gonna fill up those head coaching jobs. 1 of them is Dallas, wild card. We'll see how Jerry Jones thinks. Now we're down to 3. So we got Brian Flores.

We got Joe Brady. We got Liam Cone. We got King Barry.

Yeah.

We we there there are a lot of guys. And and, again, these guys are under contract. They haven't even met with these teams yet in person.

Right.

It's hard to say how that's gonna go.

Yeah. Alright. Well, Sheffty, you're the best. We'll see you soon. We really appreciate it.

And, tell tell your daughter, congrats on a great broadcast, and thank you for giving us the respect we deserve going in front of LeBron James. In fish form. Yes.

Yes. That had that had to be a career highlight. Like, I've never been called out on a on a on bikini bottom slime slime It was.

For real. Yeah.

That's that's big time. That that that I know you guys have done a lot, but that's when you know you're really right.

Absolutely. Alright. Thanks so much, Shefty.

Thanks, guys. See you soon.

Thank you. Good to see you.

Okay. Let's wrap up. We got fire fest of the week. Henry. Yeah.

Give it to us. Yeah.

Good friend, long time colleague, coworker, collaborator, brother, PFT commenter who's in the room with us right now. He's he's trying to spin a false narrative against me and you kinda big cat that that we don't like v.

That you don't exist.

Oh, yeah. And it's I love v.

I love v. Love v.

Love v.

Remove the context from the conversation.

Did. And He basically just shoot going around saying these guys are gay. No. I didn't.

Yeah. No. I didn't. It's a witch hunt.

I didn't

say that at all because I in the moment leading

a gay witch hunt against us.

Uh-huh. This is interest because in the moment, I I felt like an outsider because I was the only 1 putting my hand up and saying, I love v. It's We were talking v is visually. Yeah.

Just as itself. Yes.

I think I was on your side PFT.

I think

I was yep.

I think

I was talking about how I like full full v pictures.

Listen. Hand up. I'm sorry. I like vaginas. I'm willing to die on that hill.

Me too. I know.

I'm willing to die on that. To, like, say like, I have

to clarify knowing that you and and you have memes in your pocket with the clip army, and it's like, I gotta say, I also love vaginas.

I

do too. Okay. Great.

But I also love t and a.

But, yeah, if we're talking about strictly pictures, which we were, like, visually

Mhmm.

Yes. Yeah.

Like, the question is is is tits or ass, and you would say v. That's what you're

You would rather have a a picture of, v than t? I I love look yeah. They look great.

Oh, I'd rather ask I'd rather see a picture of t.

What would your answer be?

T or a?

You'd say v?

No. If you ask me t or a, that's a a 2 part question.

It's it's a or b. How about this, for example?

The, I would say,

nice a t.

The nice young lady at the Oilers game, you would have preferred her to flash

her v. No. Because that's different. That's that's way different. It is way different.

Flashing v in a public setting is that's a little low class even for me, but the t were the t was

great. I loved the t.

Yeah. And there's a bunch of people that are using the, the super bad argument of, like, oh, yeah. I'm gonna say what Jonah Hill said too. Jonah Hill's character in super bad also had an obsession with drawing dicks everywhere. He loved dicks.

I don't even remember super bad.

Where he where he was, like, you ever seen, a v on its own? Not for me.

Yeah. Got it.

Listen, Hank. I believe that that you like v. I'm not saying that you're gay. I'm saying that I felt like you were saying I was gay for liking vaginas.

Well, you made the the wings analogy, which it's you said that a is celery, which if you're looking at, you know, the wings, the saw, celery, you're ranking a last. What do you mean? Like, if you're talking about a plate of wings, you're you're, like

Maybe that was

a maybe I'm making

a wing of plates. It's blue it's it's the wings. It's the sauce. It's the celery's last.

Might have been a clumsy analogy. Maybe the the v ribeye steak, a mac and cheese, the t maybe,

But we're talking just

mashed potatoes, loaded baked potato, twice baked potato is what it is. That's what the t's are. I don't know. I just didn't

I didn't I didn't appreciate it. I I've had people, you know, coming up talk to me and be like, dude, you don't like v, dude? I'm like, no. This is all PFT spin spin doctor.

No. I'm just saying in the moment, I felt like I was a weirdo because I was the only 1 that said, hey. I I love v.

So do I, for the record.

Me too.

Now now you now you've put me in a spot.

Yeah. Okay. Well, yeah. I we all have our preferences. I'm just a v guy.

I like brains. A woman's brains.

I like I I like her soul.

Yeah. I agree.

I like kind souls. So wait. I'm not talking about feet. Just to put a boy. Gay?

No. Oh, v. Okay.

V. I'm pro v 1. Pro v 1.

Pro v 1.

That's what they call it. D? D? You like d? Cups?

No. No. Oh, not even your own? Sure.

Okay. Alright. So your FireFest is that everyone thinks that you're gay?

My FireFest is today in our office, which is against I don't even know what's inappropriate. I had to defend my my stance on liking these around a bunch of coworkers.

Who's attacking you? Yeah.

A lot of people.

Were there women?

Women. Women? Maybe Rick. It was it was a it was a everyone was getting lunch, and I was just, like, trying to make my lunch just being, like, nope. I love v.

So, Rick, are you this rattled?

I think it was Boy Ray? I think it was the Internet. I think the Internet. Yeah. Yeah.

It was PFT's tweet being like,

I don't like v, Henry Lockwood.

Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.

Let's back up because memes posted the clip, and then I But you took it out of context. I posted that, and I said, fellas, is it gay to like vaginas? And then Hank was, like, that's not what I said. Then I directly quoted you. Right.

And that's what and

what you're talking about pictures.

What was your quote? I don't know. You said it. No. It was your quote.

I don't know that I get turned on by straight v, visually.

Mhmm.

Okay. A picture of it.

Yes. I do. That's a we all have differences.

Yeah. I don't think a a picture of it does I'd rather see a picture of tits. Pick pictures. We're talking strictly pictures.

That's exactly. That's where the context you were you were selectively choosing context.

Mhmm. I was just quoting you. I'm sorry for

I go t a v for pictures. Yeah.

Mhmm.

Not me.

Definitely. Not me. Okay. PFT?

Good firefighting. Great Firefest. I'm glad we cleared that all up. My my week's been pretty good overall. I would say that my Firefest is mostly something that I realized last week watching football.

And, really, in as the college football playoff began, I I started to realize this, that there are only, like, 5 commercials

Mhmm.

In the world. Mhmm. Only 5 commercials exist, and I'm sick of all 5 of them. And I've seen all of them. And the commercials, you basically have your pick of, like, the State Farm Cinematic Universe, which includes, like, Derrick Henry, Mahomes, all that stuff.

You've got, some usually a product with Shaq in it Yep. Is 1 of the options that you have. Then you've got Flow. Mhmm. And, just like a lot of insurance out there, there's only, like, 5 commercials.

Anymore. We used to have lots of commercials. Yeah. And you get Now they're all gone.

And you get caught in these caught in these, times where you're, like you know, we watch a lot of sports, but, like, when you're really like, March Madness, we're really watching sports wall to wall, and it's, like, shit.

Yeah. That's it? And that's all you get, and you see them over and over and over. I feel like it's gotten more limited in scope too.

Shout out YouTube's TV, by the way. The Zen Yeah. Is the best. And I don't I don't It actually, like, cools my brain down.

It's really good. And I don't wanna sound like I'm talking shit about the NFL or their corporate partners or their messaging. I I respect the NFL's ability

to never

I would never I I stopped the little guys.

I I used to

be racist as fuck until the NFL painted in racism in the end zone. Yep. And so I I pay attention when Roger Goodell speaks. Yeah. And I just wanna say constructive feedback, Roger Goodell.

Give us different commercials. This shit

sucks. I'd agree. I'd agree. Alright. My fire fest is I, I'm solo dabbing this weekend, so I'm probably gonna miss the commander's lion stream.

Apologies, PFT. It's okay. I'm gonna try to be in for the Texans chiefs where I have a little help, but, the menu's gonna get it's gonna get tight.

We're gonna do a tight

nuggets. Chicken nuggets and mac and cheese, and that it that's it.

Mhmm. And that

is it. Annie's? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Gotta eat Annie's. Elite. But yeah.

What kind of silverware and, and cutlery and plate situation are we working with?

The 2 older ones use regular plates and silverware. The youngest still uses, his hands mostly and, plastic plate. He likes to throw shit everywhere.

I would just lay down a tarp. Yeah. Like, garbage bag.

I should put, yeah, I should put a, like, a trough out. And still looking

for for, like, bedtime by the commander's game, or are you hoping, like, halftime?

I'm going to probably be watching the first half of the commander's lines game, no sound while we watch minions on the top TV. So, yeah, that will be my reality. But just being honest. But it's only that 1 game I'll be in on Sunday, all day Sunday. So, but, yeah, I gotta just power through it.

But, yeah, that's why. So if you tune on the stream on Sunday night and I'm not there or I might not even be here for the Saturday afternoon when I'm gonna try to make it in. That's why.

Mhmm.

So, yeah, wish me luck. I I got this. Good luck. I got this.

Good luck. We're gonna have, the beef is gonna be on from

hardback. That.

Kate's mister beef is gonna be there giving me moral support. That's a A fellow Commanders fan.

Yeah. Love that. Also, Reverse Fyre Fest. I just love everyone in this room and all of our listeners so goddamn much. And we love that.

That's really just been a tough couple weeks, but it's it's great. I got a little teary eyed actually last night driving home because I was just like it was nice perspective of being like, damn. You know, they're a scary place, tough place, but there's a lot of people who care a lot about us. And it's it's good to have that moment. And then everyone in this room, I'd fucking die for it.

Take a bullet for.

Yeah. We love to. I know it's been it's been a tough few months for you. Yes. We've had

a few months.

I didn't realize that you lost how much?

Like, £15 that has not been eating. Yeah. I literally and it's not like it's not even conscious. It's like lunch happens, and I just walk right by it. I'm like, I have no appetite and stress.

But gotta just we're we're we're we're we're powering through.

I've I didn't even tell you this. This is just a funny if we're doing reverse Fyre Fest, it's just a anecdote that's made me laugh, since it happened. But I went out to dinner with Stu, on Wednesday or Tuesday. Just me and him and and, you know, few months ago, I was talking about quitting smoking. I have quitting smoking, and he also used to be, like, the biggest pot head of all time.

He has also quit, so we were talking about that and, like, talking about how, like, weird dreams and shit. And I was like, you know, do you think he'll ever, like, start again? He's like, no. I can't. Like, the his diabetes or whatever it is.

He's like, I just can't smoke. Like, I can't eat carbs. After he had just eaten, like, 2 appetizers, like, a massive pasta meal and then ate, like, half of my chicken parm,

I was die he was like, yeah. You know,

I just can't eat the carbs.

And I was like, so you just fucking wolf down, like, to a, an Italian dinner for 3.

It's like, it was like, yeah. You know,

I just can't I can't smoke, and I can't do carbs.

It Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. What?

It's like the remember the mincy picture of him at the barbecue joint? He's like, no sugar. All the barbecue. Or the barbecue. Yeah.

Wait, Max. You didn't do your fire festival at the bachelor parties.

You didn't say it. I didn't say anything.

Go

ahead. Bachelor parties. Lot of bachelor parties. Yeah. That's basically it.

And I also can't I'm not picking the bachelor party

We are. Or bachelor party.

So that's why everyone the amount of text that I've gotten from people that I've met, like, 1 time 6 years ago being like, you have to come to my batch. I it's never been more of a thing in my entire life, and I can't keep track of it all. I guess if you guys wanna do that, well, we can do that.

I like I like giving

you the illusion of having a choice, but, ultimately, we're gonna be the ones that decide.

But that's why I think we need I need I'm putting out a Google form so then it's just organized in 1 place.

Who's going over the Google form?

Not not me.

Not me. I will.

Oh. I don't want Hank doing either. I will. I I just will.

Are you gonna go over the Google form in Vannie Woodhead when he's driving down the street? Vannie Woodhead's buzzin'. Okay. Okay. Yeah.

Max a mic. I'll do that. I'll I'll be in charge you.

I'll be in charge of the of the Google Doc. And as my first act of being in charge, I'd like to delegate that task to Hank. I'm done.

Actually, you

know what? Hank, I need you to report to

me, though, and

then I'll report to Max.

We know all we should do is because, you know, we we have a lot of work. I I think we should delegate the Google Doc to 1 Stephen Shea. No. He's a Google Doc master.

No. But he'll do he'll, like, give Max he'll be like, oh, like, you know, go to Chicago.

No. But he'll get us down to a 100. True. I honestly haven't seen

that many people send us DMs.

I haven't either. Yeah.

Because, like, I'm I'm surprised the lack of AWL is getting,

married. Yeah. Here and there, I get a couple

Most people are just sending them to me, and I just have to say I can't

So keep sending them to you?

That's what have you gotten? Like, 10?

Yeah. That's our way of saying that. What what are you 5? We'd like to see a lot more.

What's going on, Nate? What's going

on? You got 5 bachelor party requests?

I've gotten, like, 5,000. Yeah.

I've gotten a shitload of I have 2. Alright. Good show, boys football this weekend. Can't wait. Only what?

How many games left? 4.

It's a final 4 this weekend. 7. 7.

8. Counting the national championship.

8 games of football left. Enjoy the fuck out of every second. Okay. Numbers. 5.

3. 11. 17.

AJ Brown's gonna have a game 11.

Hype video coming out Friday. 100. It's already started.

99, puck. 54.

98. Oh. Ugh. Right on it. Fuck.

Fuck.

Love you guys. Also, Shane wants a nickname.

Leader in the clubhouse is graphics guy.

Yeah. Shane has requested a nickname.

Shane wants a nickname?

Yeah. He he said, I'd like a nickname. I've never had a nickname before. So memes posted a picture of him. I think a pretty up to date photo, which

they had, like, yesterday. I have 1 for you.

Tom Fornelli had a great suggestion, which was graphics guy.

That's good.

And that is so far the leading vocoder. I suggested Zayn.

Shane, I have 1 for you, but we've discussed it. I don't think it would be Poppy? No.

Let's hear it.

You know which 1 I'm a say. I can't say it. Oh, don't. Yeah. Yeah.

Why not? Graphics guy, lot of votes.

GG. Love you

guys.