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Children, the Human Rights Campaign, a powerful activist group, continues to push companies to embrace policies that help fund it. At a recent shareholders meeting for Home Depot, detransitioner Chloe Cole sounded the alarm over the corporation's pro-trans policies.

I'm here because I know what happens when big institutions like Home Depot value outside corporate pressure and ratings over the safety and well-being of children and their families.

Chloe joins us along with ADF's Jeremy Tedesco to discuss corporate America's relationship with the Human rights campaign and its impact on children. I'm Daily Wire executive editor John Bickley. This is a Legal Wire edition of Morning Wire.

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Joining us now to discuss how corporate policies are impacting children are Jeremy Tedesco of Alliance Defending Freedom and Chloe Cole, who's been speaking out against the harms of medically transitioning kids. Chloe and Jeremy, welcome.

Thank you. Thanks for having me.

So Chloe, first, could you tell us a little bit about your background for those who may not be familiar with your story?

So I am an advocate for the protection of children in the medical realm, especially from underage transgender procedures. And a lot of my own passion on this issue comes from my experience of going through this, this so-called treatment, the so-called healthcare, to attempt to become a boy between the ages of 12 to 16, coming out of it with regret, with damage done to my body after going through puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and a double mastectomy at 15 years old. I've learned that this is not healthcare, This is medical abuse and it needs to be stopped in its tracks.

And so you've been speaking out about this, and then specifically you addressed the Home Depot's shareholder meeting last week for this cause. Uh, why did you feel compelled to do that and what was your message?

Yeah, so I gave them a prerecorded statement, not just talking about my own experience with the firsthand consequences of these treatments, but I also raised the alarm in the fact that their employee plan actively covers these treatments for dependents, including minor children, which Home Depot is a company that a lot of families rely on to build their homes. So for them to go, to go in the face of that, to, to be a part of funding these treatments is a slap in the face of not just their investors, but also the customers who rely on them.

Yeah, I was personally surprised to hear that Home Depot was among the companies still supporting these kinds of policies despite having founders that really often promoted supported conservative causes in the past. This might be a good question for you, Jeremy. You helped file a resolution on behalf of Home Depot's shareholders. How did we get here with the HRC, the Human Rights Campaign, which is so far left, having such a foothold in companies in corporate America?

The political left basically had 25 years of uncontested opportunity to capture American corporations. And boy, did they ever. I mean, even Home Depot, of all conservative-leaning a 100% on the HRC Equality Index. They touted that in the past on their social media platforms and handles. And the problem with that is the HRC doesn't care a lick about these companies. In fact, the political left largely doesn't like capitalism to begin with. They just want to use those brands to push their political agenda and their social agenda on Americans. And so HRC gets 100% to get 100% on the Equality Index this year. Your employee health programs have to cover cross-sex hormones, puberty blockers, and even transition surgeries for minors. And, you know, like so many other companies, they kind of blindly hand over their HR policymaking to these activist organizations, and it needs to stop.

So the Equality Index, will you unpack that more for us? Why do companies even care about this? What benefits does it give them to actually score high on this thing?

Well, I think that's coming to— I think we're at the beginning of the end of the capture of corporations through the HRC's Equality Index and even the Southern Poverty Law Center and the way they've captured corporations. I think in the past, the companies believed that it was politically beneficial for them to get 100%, that it appeased a loud minority community who could cause a lot of pain to them if they didn't do what they wanted. That, that has really changed. I think the calculus has changed for corporate America. But we're only, as I said, at the beginning of the end of this. And it's going to take concerted work, effort, and sustained activity from people— Christians, conservatives, others who have a stake in Home Depot and other companies— to hold them accountable and just say, look, get out of politics. You don't need to appease the far left. You should stay down the middle. And serve all Americans.

Right. Now, you noted there's a movement away from taking this seriously and trying to meet the standards of the HRC. What are some of the companies that have publicly moved away from this?

So Walmart, Lowe's, one of Home Depot's competitors, Ford, Harley-Davidson, John Deere, a few others have started to really pull away from the HRC. And so, you know, those kinds of public disaffections from the HRC scoring rubric, I think are really, really important. That has never happened until the last couple of years. And it just goes to show you that they're losing their hold. And that's ultimately good for, for everybody. It's good for a free society. It's good for people like Chloe who are advocating against these kinds of drugs and surgeries being provided to minors in a way that's going to completely destroy their lives.

Is there any sense that Home Depot may be poised to reverse course on this? Have they responded so far to the pressure Chloe's helping put on them to make some changes here?

We represented shareholders in the, in the proxy process. That's how this all came about. We, we helped them file a resolution asking Home Depot about why they get 100% on the index and whether they provide these kinds of things in their insurance program. And Home Depot just, they just wouldn't respond. They had no transparency and said, we're not going to deal with you. Your resolution is going to appear on our proxy statement for votes by our shareholders. Well, that triggers the opportunity for a statement from the shareholder or their delegate, which happened to be Chloe in this circumstance, to talk about the issue and bring attention to it. So that's where we're at in the process. I, I think ultimately we're on some kind of an arc here where a lot of companies are going to offboard from HRC. But like I said, it's going to be— it's going to take sustained pressure and, and engagement from people like Chloe, from the kind of shareholders that we represent, to ultimately push these companies off of, uh, the left-wing gravy train.

Yeah, Chloe, for you personally, what kind of response have you seen to appeals that you've made like this to stakeholders? Are appeals like this having an effect?

Well, not only are there a lot of companies cutting ties with the HRC, there's also a lot of cultural movement in regards to this issue, especially when it comes to the protection of children. I have personally filed a lawsuit against my doctors with Kaiser Permanente, and I know a few dozen other detransitioners who are as well, including my friend Soren Aldaco, who is suing her doctors as well. And her, her mother's employee plan actually covered these treatments for her as a child. And we're— we've seen 6 countries so far very publicly move away from these treatments for children, including our own HHS. And we have 26 states that have moved to protect children from these procedures. We're— I think it's very clear now just how unpopular this issue is.

Yeah, over half the states now. It's a lot of movement. And we've seen with Trump 2.0 a really aggressive administration combating child transitioning procedures. Now, Home Depot's not alone in embracing these policies. Are there some other companies that are significant, uh, Jeremy, that are still trying to abide by the HRC guidelines?

Well, yeah, there's unfortunately a lot of them, but there's a sustained effort by conservative and Christian shareholders to point that out to the companies through the proxy process like we did here with Home Depot. Just about a week ago, we had another moment like this at American Express and their annual shareholder meeting where Soren, who Chloe mentioned, delivered her story to American Express's management and board of directors and all their shareholders at their shareholder meeting. And so, you know, we're going to continue to drip this message and hold these companies accountable. This is an 80/20 issue, if not even more split than that. And so there's really no benefit to the companies in realizing that, look, the 80/20 split in the American public's views is essentially the same split amongst their shareholders. You can basically say that about 80% of our shareholders are vehemently opposed to providing these kinds of drugs and interventions to minors. And so the companies are exposed in a way that is really problematic. And just doing the right thing for their shareholders would, would mean pulling away from the HRC and stopping trying to appease these activists by putting things into their health plans that aren't good for their employees, their employees' kids, or the value of the company.

So you two are both obviously involved in the legal side of this and also from the advocacy side. Chloe, on your end, maybe a final question for you, Chloe. For the average person, you know, what can they do if they're interested in trying to see these sort of medical interventions go by the wayside?

Well, I think that's when you hear stories like mine, they are not just to be taken as stories of tragedy. They are also stories of hope and triumph against very real institutional evil. Because I— I have to suffer lifelong consequences for what I went through as a child. I wasn't helped by the adults around me when I needed it most. But I've been able to rise above that and use this pain that I go through every day to ensure that no other child will ever go through what I have. Ever again. And I have been able, in spite of everything, to embrace everything that God, that God has given me.

Well, thank you so much, Chloe and Jeremy, for talking with us. Really important issue that's still being fought over in so many arenas, including corporate America. Thank you. That was Chloe Cole and ADF's Jeremy Tedesco, and this has been a Legal Wire edition of Morning Wire.