Transcript of Episode 629: “Weirdos’ Audiobook Club” presented by Audible – Blue Beard with Special Guest, Spencer Henry From Cult Liter

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Hey, weirdos. I'm Ash.

I'm Elena.

And I'm Spencer.

And we are having another, installment of our Weirdos audio book club. So thank you for being here today, everybody. We're grateful for you.

So grateful.

If you didn't know, we have Spencer Henry from Morbid Network's cult leader, Obituary, and their newest baby show, Gossip's Bridle.

Hi, everyone. I'm so excited to be here.

We're excited to have you. I feel like you're the perfect fit for this because you love, like, old timey true crime.

Mhmm.

Love it.

There's a lot of reasons as we go into this title today, why it resonated with me, and I just loved it so much.

Oh, I'm excited to hear.

That makes me excited. I know. Well, before we dive into the title, we wanna thank Audible again for the partnership and for bringing this special little bonus to all of you guys. Blue Beard is an Audible original. So if you haven't already listened, head on over to Audible to dive into this title.

Our lovely friends are sweethearts at Audible, and they're still offering that free trial for you guys. So you can take hold of that nifty gifty@audible.com/weirdos for your free trial. And, of course, we also covered this case on, morbid. It was episode 626. So if you need to refresh your memory at all or if you wanna listen to that for your next morbid listening journey, it's there for

you. It's there for you. We're there for you. This title is there for you.

We're all everything is there for you.

It's true. Do it. It's a crazy case. Like this case, I went into because it was my episode when we covered it on morbid. It was my episode.

It's my episode. Not yours. It was mine. And when we went into it, I was like, oh, I think I've heard of this. I don't know if I'd like, I don't know the details.

But I was like, oh, this is like 1 of these guys that just like abandons women and takes their money, like, you know, the classic tale. Like an h h Holmesy style guy. So much deeper. And it did it did kinda feel like he had those vibes to him just because of all the fraud and shit he was committing, like, across borders and shit.

And the aliases? Alias eye.

The Alias eye. Like, this guy's bonkers.

Oh, he is wild.

And organized.

And I'm like, RIP, Walter. You would have loved Tinder.

Oh my god. Truly. Yes. That would have made his scheme so much easier.

Because, like, thinking about, like, the log books and shit that he had to keep to keep his different wives straight. Keep tracking them. Yeah. And like letters.

If he wanted to, he would.

Absolutely. Like, he had to keep, like, his, like, communication with them straight, what he told 1, what he told the other, like, the different stories he was telling them about why he was out of town all the time. Like, I can't remember what I had for dinner last night.

No. That's a lot to keep up with.

Yes. Stressful. I can't imagine what his nervous system looked like.

Oh, it was riddled. It was riddled with anxiety.

Maybe it wasn't though. Maybe he was just totally cool as a cucumber.

I mean, yeah. I think he just riddled our nervous system with anxiety. Exactly.

Yeah. Well, I think he just was really good at probably compartmentalizing all of that.

Definitely.

Kinda like dissociating from all of it. Like, well

He had to.

It's a good point. He brought and he probably learned that in childhood. Because, like, if you go back and listen to the episode where we cover the real case, like, he definitely had a gnarly childhood. Yeah. So that's a good point, Spencer.

Oh, I listened.

Oh, I listened. You better believe.

But, yeah, I think because a lot of times, it's like survival tactic is learning how to compartmentalize all those separate areas of your life and kind of dissociate from them a little bit. And that's probably how he was able to do that and not have these really strong emotional ties

to anything. He was never really taught to have a strong emotional tie to anything because his own parents treated him like shit. And his mother really treated him like shit. And then, I mean, once he finally got out of there what was he? 12 years old, I think, when he got out of there and went on his own?

It's like, then the world treated him like shit. And obviously, that's no validation or, like, justification for what he did. It's just I think this is why he was able, like you said, to just, like, shut it off. Because he was like, well, no one's ever had any connection to me, so why should I have a real connection to anyone else?

I think you're I think that's exactly it.

Everyone used him for what they could get out of him, so he just decided that that was the life he was gonna live. And he did it in a awful way.

Yeah. Did it for me. Exactly.

And he could have gone the other way. Plenty of people have. Plenty of people have tragic backgrounds. Plenty of people get treated like shit. And they go on to be amazing people who are like, I'm not gonna continue this cycle.

But he's an asshole.

Go to therapy Exactly. Alter. Go to therapy. Get a gratitude journal.

Be grateful. These are all steps.

Do some self work.

Well, before we get into it even further, I just wanna talk really quickly about the writers for this title and the process because it's really this is an interesting 1. It is. So 1 of the names you're definitely going to say, wait a second, I know that name. Jim Clemente is 1 of the authors of this. He's a former FBI profiler who was part of the team that cracked the DC site sniper case.

Which is wild. Yeah.

That's a big deal.

He's been part of, like, huge cases. Like, this guy has flex on flex on flex. He's a former New York prosecutor. He's a writer and producer for Criminal Minds.

Oh, love that show.

Yep. He's a podcaster for real crime profile, best case worst case, FBI profilers, and criminal archives.

He's after our own heart with all those podcasts.

He is. And he's also a consultant for law enforcement and for creative projects that involve his, like, massive expansive expertise. And he's just, like, wow impressive. And he had, like, a really tough, like, beginning to life as well. He has a lot of, like, things in his backstory that he could have turned the other way, and he went this way.

So he's, like, also very inspirational if you read up on him. Definitely. And he was a first responder at 911. So Wow. Yeah.

So he's just I how how do you even lift that resume? Like, I don't even know how he carries it around with him. Right.

He's done it all.

And then his co author was Peter McDonnell, who is an author with 43 books. Like, damn.

43 books. That's insane. Like, what? That's that's all the books.

I don't

even know if I've read 43

books. I can't name 43 books. Like, wow.

Truly.

He's also a podcaster and a journalist. So together, this was the perfect team, I think, to do something like this.

Yeah. 100%. Yeah.

A good duo.

Real the the duo of the century.

Well, and what's interesting is they went into this actually thinking that they were gonna make documentary series. Oh, yeah. And then it turned into this title, which I I love knowing, like, how a project started and evolved. And I feel like I mean, this still could make an excellent documentary series, but I'm glad that they did the title.

That makes so much sense if you listen to the title that it was laid out that way because my favorite thing about it was, like, just listening to it. Like, you can fully have visuals on everything that's happening at the time. They did such a good job of translating that.

Yes. 100%. They really did.

And it reminded me a little bit of your new show Gossip's Bridle with all the soundscaping and everything.

The, like, immersive experience of, like, oh, Spencer's gonna love this.

I no. I truly all of it. I was, like, obsessed listening to it the whole time. I felt like I was, like, in an old detective novel

or something. Yes. You get transported.

When you

can hear the music, like, the old timey, like,

I'm like,

I just Give me a cigarette, babe.

Yes. And

Yep. Let me just

Let's let's talk about this.

Give me a cigarette and a fedora and I'm ready to go, baby.

You're sure

you? Well, it all got started when Jim Clemente's friend, he was helping this elderly woman just clean out a storage locker. Like, most inconspicuous thing you could ever think of. Yeah.

You know?

Yeah. And she they were, like, clearing out random boxes.

This was in LA. Right?

In LA. Yes. And she told him, oh, you can just get rid of that box over there. And he was like, okay. Like, maybe we should check inside first, just, you know, make sure nothing important is in here.

And, something important wasn't that box. It contained this leather bound tome and that contained Bluebeard Watson's confession inside, which is insane.

I just got chills.

Yes. He confessed to the murder of 10 wives. And to think that that leather bound tome was in there containing that confession

Full confession.

Like 3 days worth of confession. And this tome actually belonged to the 1 and only JB Armstrong, who's the PI that was hired by Katherine when she suspected that her husband was just cheating.

Miss Wombacher.

Missus Wombacher. Exactly. So just literally opening that up and sifting through the pages must have been bonkers wild bananas. Yes.

Imagine finding that.

And Jim Clemente has it now in his personal collection. Yeah. He got to mother bound tome.

Yeah. Our producer, Mikey, got to talk to him and he showed him on the Zoom.

And we were all Mikey was showing us afterwards. We're like, oh my god. I'm so jealous. Jim on the horn.

Here. Show me your book, Jim.

Show me that leather

bound tome, Jim. I wanna see your book. I'm trying to see it.

Well, obviously, they were, immediately interested in this story once they heard about this discovery and once they, you know, sifted through this tome of theirs. So they researched Wattson even more to find out about his crimes, his detailed confession. And when I say detailed, like I said, it took this guy 3 days to get everything out. And it was that confession that really voiced the narrative of Watson in this title. Mhmm.

So it's very true to who Watson actually was.

Yeah. For sure. And you can chat like he does because it's Joseph Fiennes that plays him. Mhmm. He does a good job of making him unlikable.

Unlikeable, but you could see why women, like, would be drawn to him in a way almost.

Yeah. Because if you were going He

like walks the line.

If you were going into this story blind, I think you would be like, oh, I like this guy. Like, what's this guy's story? But if you know the case and you go into it, you're like, I don't like you. No. But you're kind of like toying with yourself of like, I kinda wanna like you, but I know what you do.

Yeah. You know?

For sure.

But after working out the whole story, Clemente and McDonnell pitched this story to our our friends over at Audible. And they suggested maybe converting it into a radio style drama, actually. And, ultimately, it, ended up being directed by a Canadian director. And this is interesting. Canadian radio style dramas continued way past the point where they did in US, like, when we transitioned over to TV.

Uh-huh. So he was really well versed in that type of production because, you know, they experienced them way longer. Mhmm. But to talk more about the production, let me hand it over to my girl, Elena.

Because this is really interesting. Like Spencer said, it's like a super immersive, like, you feel like you're there experience. And that definitely goes for some of the actors, like Katherine played by Karen David, Watson's played by Joseph Fiennes, And JB Armstrong, our guys, Adrian Pasdar. I think the 3 of them did an amazing job. But what really set this whole thing into a different realm, I think, is that how they recorded this.

So they recorded live in 3 different time zones, first of all. Each recording space for each actor, it was set up and movement was choreographed, so the actors would move through the space while the microphone was set in the middle of the room. So all of this would impact the sound, so audio was like 3 d immersive. You heard the movements that they were making because they were physically making those movements in a room.

Like, it wasn't put in later or something like that.

So you heard them in real time, like, very organically.

Wow.

Isn't that cool?

It is cool.

And I feel like that's a very different and unique style of doing something like this. Definitely. And just the fact that people

in 3 different time zones were able to collaborate like this. I'm like, damn, I can barely get a meeting on the books with East Coasters. Literally.

That's the thing. You know? Like, we were trying to we could barely get time to hang out with friends. Like, I just us trying to all get our schedules. That's hot.

Meanwhile, they're like, let's soundscape this shit and record the entire title all at once in 3 different time zones.

Wow. That's incredible.

Yeah. It's crazy. So what what I think also makes, like, takes this 1 and kind of, like, separates it from a lot of titles is the way that the this is obviously inspired by a true crime case. And they kept a lot of it very true to what happened and the way that they kind of, like, fictionalized parts of it. To me, didn't impact the case in a way that was, like, negative.

I think I think if anything, it only made it easier to follow. You know? I definitely agree. Like the plot.

It just added to the story. But it didn't add anything unnecessary, you know? Exactly.

Totally.

And it's just an engaging way to tell the story, like, with this radio style and 3 d audio. It, like we said, pulls you into each scene. You feel like you're there. You feel like if you close your eyes, you can just, like, hear all the because it's like we were talking about before, like, the the music in the background, and you can hear someone lighting up a cigarette. And you can hear so you feel like you get this everything happening all around the room kinda feeling.

Mhmm.

And it's also cool that this narrative definitely places it in that specific time and place. Like, it has nods to the formation of the of investigations, which is like blowing that would that blew my mind. Just like being in a place that you're like, oh, that didn't exist yet. Like, fuck. And it was also like the end of the Spanish flu that they have a nod to, the beginning of prohibition.

I think all those things being tapped at during this really placed you in that time.

Yeah. Place you and like little reminders along the way, like, this is where we are. Yeah.

You know? Like, we're not in 2024. Right.

Well, I kept thinking of other, like, infamous crimes of that time, like the wineville chicken coop murders and all of these Los Angeles crimes that happened I mean, not the same year, but, like, within that A realm. Crime realm. And it's just it's I don't know. It's so fascinating to see how everything was handled

Yes.

In those days in comparison to now. And it's there's a lot of things that you look back and you're like, why would they do that? Why wouldn't they do this? But a lot of what they were doing is still really advanced given the tools that they had at the time.

Yes. Absolutely. We're always talking about that, how in these time periods, it's like we don't have a camera on every street corner.

Mhmm.

We don't have someone with a phone recording it. We don't have a digital footprint. We don't have this and that.

Even like fingerprinting was started in its infancy, you know?

It took a lot to solve these crimes,

which makes it more fascinating in my opinion.

Yeah. For sure. Yeah.

Well, it makes you wonder too certain crimes that happened today. You're like, how did they not figure that out? Everyone has, like, fucking

criminal in

their house.

Because it's, like, true.

How are they catching these people with literally just, like, boots on the ground detective work here? Like, that's what this is. And I mean and also, like, speaking to how they they were able to solve this stuff. 1 of the great themes in this whole thing is women not being passive and seeking out answers,

which I love. Because you think of this case as a whole, and I mean, women are the ultimate victims in this case, but they're also the hero of this case. Absolutely. Like, a cat is a fucking boss.

Yeah. You wanna talk about feet on the boots on the ground? Yes. Let's talk about Katherine Wannabaker because

Let's talk about her.

Damn.

Because she was also the 1 first of all, she wouldn't let anything she wasn't letting that go in the beginning. She was like, I'm pretty sure he's having an affair.

Mhmm.

Fuck him. We're gonna catch him.

I'm getting my divorce.

Yeah.

Just to think that she needed to have, like, a a straight up reason to get divorced and, like, a very compelling 1. Not just, like, somebody had to be her husband had to be guilty of a crime for her to be granted the divorce.

You should just be able

to have a divorce if you don't like his ass anymore. Yeah.

It's so yeah. It's so complicated because even now there's I mean, it's a lot easier to divorce somebody now, but it's still, like, this personal battle that I think a lot of people have where there's so much back and forth. So I can't imagine doing that and on top of that having to have, like, a good reason in the eyes of the court or the law in order to go through with it.

Right. And that, like, even cheating was barely sufficient. Yeah.

You can tell Kat is having that, like, personal grapple because even when she knows how terrible he is and she's, like, working with a private investigator, When when Walter calls her and talks about wanting to knock her up, she's, like, well, maybe I should call this whole thing off. And I was, like, girl, no. Don't

do it.

No. But it shows that she still was kind of, like, battling with thoughts of whether or not she should just kind of ignore everything and put it on the back burner.

She was

a product of the time. Yeah.

Yeah.

I was just gonna say society was influencing her big time. Mhmm.

And being like, maybe I should just have a baby with him, and we can have that, you know, classic family, and I'll just ignore everything.

You know what fixes? A toxic relationship. Oh, baby.

Yeah. That'll fix things.

Well, and, like, to to prove your point even further, like, to add to it, she he went after older women, like widows, people who had previously been married and lost somebody, you know. Like, these women did wanna have families. And for a lot of them, it was like their quote unquote last chance to have a family. Yeah.

They're vulnerable. They're susceptible. They're kind of, like, backed into a corner again Yeah. By societal norms and societal pressure. But Yeah.

Absolutely. A 100%.

Yeah. I wanna high 5 Kat from the future. Exactly.

Oh. And, like, girl, you did it. And while Kat, like, in the in the actual case, she didn't, like, you know, team up with the and, like, go to the extents that she went to in in the title. She did not it wasn't her just sitting back and not doing this stuff. Like, she, like we said, was the 1 who was, like, I'm pretty sure he's having an affair, and I'm not letting it go.

So JB Armstrong, like, let's get going. And she even provided additional information and documents to further prove like, once it started unraveling, she was like, oh, here's all this shit. If that's gonna help you nail him, like, here it all is.

Like, I found some more shit for

you guys.

And that's her in real life, like, that she really did do that. Like, she was vital in unraveling this whole thing because she wasn't even as a product of that time and society around her at the time, she wasn't a woman who was gonna sit down and just be comfortable passively letting these things happen to her. She knew something was amiss right off the bat. She took action right off the bat. Mhmm.

And of course, she had no idea, like, no way of knowing how amiss things were,

what exactly she was unraveling here.

And what she was up against, and it's like once she found out that there was, like, way more shit than just an affair, that she was like, he could possibly be murdering these women and, like, he maybe he was gonna murder you. Instead of, like, like, just falling apart, which he had every right to do hearing that kind of news about your fucking husband, she turned around and was, like, how can I help? How can I make sure that he doesn't do this to anyone else? And they're, like, what a badass.

A 100%. She, like, followed her intuition.

Yeah.

And, I mean, the ultimate, like, going through his phone Yeah. Behavior. But then it, like, leads you down this crazy rabbit hole where you're like, oh, okay. This is much deeper than I thought.

Yes. I love that her version of going through his phone is trying to get into his briefcase. Yep.

His duffel bag that he carried around everywhere. That's the classic Which I'm like, could you be more conspicuous? I know. Just carrying around a duffle bag of marriage certificates and being super weird about

said said briefcase slash duffle bag.

Like, when you're gonna

carry around a bunch of shit, don't be so weird about

it. Yeah.

Listen, she is a victim in this situation, but there were several red flags, especially, like, when you're listening to her narrative in the title. I mean, well, first of all, I was laughing in the beginning because she's talking about meeting Walter for the first time, and she's talking about how he kinda catfished her. And she says, no 1 would accuse him of being handsome, which is diabolical. That is the way That is

a read.

That is

the biggest read. And it's also in the book, she's talking about, like, you know, how they got married after 4 weeks. And she's like, I couldn't think of a reason I shouldn't. And I'm like, girl, I can.

I can think of them. Yeah. I could

think of 22 different reasons.

Let me list them up for you. Because he was described as being, like, a gnome looking motherfucker. Ugly. Like, he's absolutely right. But it was like he was like a gnome like man.

He has this. Described him.

Little alfalfa too in his mugshot that I just wanna rip off. I think. So just take it right off.

I mean, I don't see it. I don't I mean, who knows what was going on with Walter otherwise?

Who knows?

Looks wise.

I think he had charisma working for him, unfortunately.

And

that can work. Charisma. That can do the trick. Uniqueness, nerve, and talent.

And she said too, when he moved in, he moved in with little possessions. And that is also the goal.

That's ideal. And don't disrupt my space.

Yeah. Yeah. We don't need

You have 4 things? Great.

Your collections here. Okay.

Yeah. We don't need that. Yeah.

Your briefcase fits over there. Everything else, gotta get rid of. Yeah.

I think he was just a master manipulator. Definitely. Like master manipulator.

And he was a he was playing a character. Of course. So it's easy to make somebody like a character.

At all. Times he was playing a character.

You're playing a role.

I do love 1 of the things I love that they did do in this title is for a brief period of time, while I was listening, I was like, uh-oh. Are they gonna make Kat and detective Armstrong fall in love? Because I will not be pleased with

that. Yeah.

I was worried. It felt like that might have been the direction they were going. And I was like, don't you dare take away her agency like that. But nay. But they didn't do it.

They did not do it. And I have to say

from coming from 2 MEN authors, thank you. Yes. Thank you for making this girl a standalone badass.

Yeah. And just letting her have her own agency and being her own character that was just like being a badass and wasn't trying to fall in love with another guy.

What was the test that we were talking about? They passed that test. The Bechdel test. They passed the Bechdel test.

Yeah. It did. Because it's not just having this woman be completely in relation to what she's doing with a man.

Yeah. Damsel in distress. Like, please help me. I don't know what to do. She's like

Yeah.

Here's what to do.

Here's this is what I wanna do. Put your cigarette out. It's gross. And let's go. Let's go.

Don't be dumb. Did you guys have

a, like, a favorite badass bee moment of Cats?

I mean, I'm a real sucker for any sort of library scene or imagery in a book. And, like, you're talking about, like, going through the records, and she's in the library. I mean, I get chills thinking about it right now, but when she was going through all the different lonely heart ads and Yes. This under different names, but the same Comparing

them all?

Yep. Comparing them all and seeing that it was clearly all written by Wilter. I just had a moment where I was like, oh my god. She's cracked the code. Like, she got her confirmation.

I love that too to come to that realization.

And the amount of people who tried to convince her that these were just other men stealing that Lonely Hearts ad.

Oh, the gaslighting

was The gaslighting was outrageous.

Wait. People trying to gaslight a woman? That's crazy. I've never heard that.

That actually never happens, you guys.

No. It was that's why it's fiction. You know.

You women. You're hysterical.

You're so crazy. That's us. We're just kooky. That's us.

What was yours, Elena?

My badass bitch moment was definitely I loved when she was, like, hiring JB Armstrong. And he was, like, being like, woah, woah, woah at first. And he's like because she's like, alright. So what do we need to do? What do you need me to start working on?

And he was like, no no no. You're my client. Like, I'm the detective here. I'm the investigator. And she was like, actually, no.

You're my partner now. We're working together. If you're not willing to treat me as a partner, I'll go find someone who will. And I was like, snap, snap, snap. I was like, yes.

She was like, I don't need to be here. I'll find somebody who actually respects the partnership and doesn't treat me like a little peon.

Because this needed to be a partnership. She had so much of the information that they needed. Yes.

A 100%. And I think going back to, like, when she cracked the code, I think it was just, like, I I loved that she figured it out on her own. Like, she didn't Yes. Have anybody else really helping her Nope. Other than the, like, Hillary, the librarian, who I love.

Queen of Hillary. Becoming friends. And at the end of the book, when there she walks into the courtroom and she sees Hillary from the library there, and Hillary is like, I'm here for you. I was like

Oh. God. I love that.

That's the thing. I love that. 1, she didn't fall in love. And 2, she found another female friend to be

a badass with. Yes. Love that. And again, 2, like, male authors, like, snaps to them. Yes.

Showing that was great.

Female friendship and bonds.

And they did a great job with it.

Did she have Monash?

Oh, yes. This is small, but I love the way that she handled that hotel owner when she was trying to use his car. She was like, I will not be swayed. Thank you. Like, uh-uh.

Like, I'm

not left

at it.

Not having it. She was so confident. She wasn't. She was just like, yeah. No.

She's She's like, I will be taking her car.

Thank you.

Mhmm. Thank you very much.

Thank you so much. I just I feel like they gave her her flowers in this story.

Yeah.

Like, showed off her badassery. And again, especially given the time period, it was very brave of her to do what she did. And she obviously faced a lot of adversity while she was doing it, but look what she fucking did.

Yeah. Without her, it coulda kept going on and on and on for a long time. And to think how many more people he could have killed. Absolutely.

Okay. So, obviously, I live in Southern California. I live in Los Angeles. And I used to live in Signal Hill, which is a small unincorporated area where the body of Nina Lee Taloney was found.

Oh, shit.

I was, like, going through newspaper archives during do my own little sleuthing to see if I could, figure out where in relation it was to where I used to to where I used to live, but I was just finding, like, old press photos that didn't have any exact addresses. But I was like, damn.

Oh, that's spooky. Yeah. That's wild. I know. Being in LA must be weird that way because so many things have happened there.

You're just, like, surrounded by

Well, they just get publicized more, I feel like.

Yeah. That's true. No. It's true. And you know the locations of a lot of them, mostly.

Yeah.

So you can just be like, I'm surrounded.

Uh-huh. 100%.

Yeah? Also, at the end of this whole title, when she speaks the names of all the victims in the court scene That was chilling. Putting that in there was iconic. And it was so perfect. Like So ending on that was like Yeah.

I love the nod to to the reality

Yeah.

And and the the true part of this crime.

Making sure that they were heard as well. Because obviously, Kat was the focus of the narrative of this. But the fact that they didn't forget about the other victims along the way, that was nice.

That was great.

Yeah. Yeah. We recommend this title 10

out of 10. If you haven't listened to Bluebeard on Audible, you gotta go listen.

And it's a quick listen too.

It's a quick listen. It's a 3 hour You will want more.

Exactly.

Yeah. It's 3 hours long. You could, I mean, if you have a long commute, you could get that done in a day, babe. Yeah.

You know? There is 1 scene of them eating. Just be forewarned. Yes.

If you don't listen to that, it's less than 3 hours.

So there you go. It's quick. Yeah.

But just warning. There's also 1 of them. You know what? You'll get there. So anyway, if you haven't listened to this title, don't forget that our sweetheart friends over at Audible are offering you guys a free trial at audible.com/weirdos.

Audible. Head over there for your free trial. Thank you to Spencer for joining us today. We love hanging with you.

Thanks for having me.

We love Spencer. We love you.

And if we all wanna end this on just maybe a title that we're listening to or recently listened to that we recommend.

So my recommendation for a title to listen to is Sleep Tight by JH Markert. I recommend all his titles and all his books, in fact, because I think he's a brilliant horror author. It's a perfect 1. It's got, like, a creepy little fictional town in it. He's really good at infusing, like, some supernatural elements, but they don't even feel they feel like they're just reality in it.

I haven't listened to that yet. Yeah.

And he's got, you know, a serial killer in this 1 in a small town. He's it's just he's a great author. I highly, highly recommend Sleep Tight.

I have 2 recommendations. I just finished, and actually so did Elena, Wayward.

Oh, so good.

Listening to that title was so whimsical. There's 3 female points of view, and they have 3 different narrators for each 1. And all of them just have the I say this all the time about people, but I think I just listen to audio titles with narrators who have the most soothing voices. And these 3 women, I want them to read me bedtime stories every single night. So good.

And, obviously, I have to recommend Elena's Butcher and the Wren and The Butcher Game. Duh. Oh my god. I know the author, and she writes a mean book, baby.

Truly.

There's also, The Big Hot Book of Death. I've heard of that 1. Have you heard of that 1, Spencer? Spencer Madison?

I have heard of that 1.

Because that's also a great 1.

It's just pretty good. And they got I love their their voices too, those narrators too.

I think the guy's annoying. But 1 that I love is well, I've been I'm like halfway through it right now, but it's the crime of the century, Richard Spack and the Murders That Shocked A Nation.

Oh, that's an interesting 1.

Dennis Albrillo and William J Martin.

Love that. Amazing. So you guys have a bunch of titles to catch up on. And, again, you have your your free trial if you head over to that link that I've said 40 times. So we love you.

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But not so weird that you don't check out these titles today. Bye. And listen.

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