In this IHIP News episode, Jennifer Welch & Angie Sullivan react to a report that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth was reprimanded by a Sentinel at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier after laughing with aides near the memorial. The conversation then turns to a failed House vote to advance Hegseth's impeachment, which one host blames on missed attendance, and to reported pressure on incoming Democratic members to back Hakeem Jeffries for speaker.
They debate the party's centrist and progressive divide, the role of seniority, and how the midterm turnout should be read. Listeners will hear competing views on what the results mean for the party, presented as the hosts' own opinions.
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Pete Hegseth dodged accountability yesterday because the Democrats sabotaged the motion to move forward with his impeachment. We'll just leave that there. But Pete Hegseth is just an absolute national embarrassment. He is an embarrassment to the military. He is obsessed with testosterone, AKA gender-affirming care, and then he just, in general, acts like an asshole all the time. CNN is reporting the following today on Veterans Day: a U.S. Army Sentinel guarding the tomb of the unknown soldier reprimanded Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and a group of his senior advisors Wednesday after some in the group laughed and talked near the solemn memorial following a Veterans Day ceremony.
The guard says all visitors will maintain an atmosphere of silence and respect at all times. The Sentinel called out, stopping his patrol to face the group as they departed. Here is a video of Pete Hegseth getting reprimanded for being an asshole. Play the clip.
All visitors will maintain an atmosphere of silence and respect at all times.
I think that guard speaks for a lot of the soldiers that have to obey orders from this secretary. It's really disgraceful that he can't even get through this. He can't even show up on Veterans Day without being an asshole. I mean, that's where we are.
All right, so yesterday the Democrats fumbled the bag. In their big debut of about to be the party in the majority, they were unable to whip the votes to move forward this motion to advance the impeachment of Pete Hegseth. And pop this up: Kathryn Clark is the Democratic whip in the House, and it is thus her responsibility to ensure members are there to vote.
Clark is also a founding member of EDW, which hosted an event tonight from 4:30 to 6:30 p.m., overlapping with the 5:30 p.m. vote on the Hegseth impeachment. Of the 11 members who missed the Hegseth vote, eight have received support from EDW or its APAC-tiered Super PAC EDW action. Of those eight, two are sitting board members. I feel like this is why the Democratic Party approval numbers are so low.
They were at an APAC-tiered meeting. When you find out you can go and impeach a war criminal, you say, we're not doing the party anymore. We have to all be at work. We all have to go do this. This is a big thing. But why would these people not want to impeach Pete Hegseth? Because they don't want the Iran war to end. That's why.
Yeah, and just call me stupid, but I'm not so sure if you're the whip that you need to be scheduling events when you have a vote that's this important. And the whip is responsible for rallying the troops to make their vote. So, I mean, this is just illogical. And then you find out that it's an event that's allied with APAC. It's really just a pass-through entity for APAC, for pro-Israel money. And all these candidates are there instead of going up and voting to impeach Hegseth.
I mean, it just, how many blunders can you have? And I think that this lady, Congresswoman Clark, she's running for some office in the House too. And, you know, they can't even get this very basic thing right. All everyone had to do is just show up and vote. That's all. That's all. And they couldn't get that right.
No, it's maddening. And then when we're treated in such a patronizing way, if we are not just all chips in on supporting Hakeem Jeffries for speaker, it's like the buck stops with him. If he can't whip the votes to impeach a war criminal, what are we doing here? Like, what are we doing? Like, this was a layup.
And all, yeah, and all of these Congress women and men that failed to show up, they all posted on X that they wanted Hegseth impeached. And I think Congresswoman Clark had on her X account that she had supported the impeachment of Hegseth. And then she throws this event and doesn't have the votes there necessary. I mean, it's just crazy. Crazy.
It's just talk is cheap. And it's just this era of politics must end. An incoming House Democrat, Don Leonard, talks about how Democrats are being pressured to vote for Hakeem Jeffries. Play the clip.
Tonight I met with, we'll call them senior members of the Democratic House, who told me in no uncertain terms that the decision as to whether or not I support Jeffries, regardless of his willingness to speak with me and meet the interests of my constituents on a couple of key issues. Number one, getting a constitutional amendment to incidents united.
And number two, ending U.S. support for the war in Iran and the country Israel that led us into it. That that would basically mean both making my life a living hell for the next two years here in Washington, as well as being sure to lose my election.
This is what it's going to take. It's going to take the young blood coming in and exposing this system. We vote for them to go, and then they have these secret votes and the seniority system and this bullshit game that they play once they're in there that doesn't deliver for the American people. And it's going to take incoming young people like that being whistleblowers to the public via social media. That's all it takes to say, this is what I was told and I was threatened. And this is bullshit because I was elected by the people. And then I arrive here and I'm told, you have to play by our rules now.
We're not interested in your agenda. I mean, that's just such chicken shit.
It's, you get in this position, you get insulated from day-to-day issues. You start to, it seems like their ego gets involved. Everybody's jockeying for these positions on different committees. And all of that, what's lost is the will of the people, which is the people that voted for you, your responsibilities. All of that gets lost in this power grab. And the Democrats, in some ways, are just as bad as Republicans. We're going to have to own that. We're going to have to face that. Hearing this incoming congressman talk makes me realize what a shit show that place is.
And even though I'd rather have a D instead of an R, we've got all kinds of problems.
I completely agree. Here's AOC responding to Leonard's video. Play the clip.
Just had.
I haven't seen the video, so I can't speak to his individual instance, but I can say that I have seen, you know, in the past when I first got here, a lot of vitriol. And I don't think that going through it that way is productive.
So you're saying Democratic leadership has perhaps threatened you in the past regarding some of your positions?
Oh, people have been very, people were, when I first got here.
Say more.
Oh, brother.
I think I remember.
I got a $3 million primary challenge my first term. People were very, very, very focused on making me a one-term congresswoman.
It's going to take a coup inside the House of Representatives to expose this intimidation, do-nothing Democratic brick wall that they hit all the time. I mean, this is, this needs to be, the light needs to shine onto this. And it's going to take old members that have engaged in this before saying, I agree, we need to do something different. And it takes me back to that clip that we played last week with Jon Stewart. Maybe it was this week, I can't remember. Jon Stewart saying, we have to do bold things.
This system of seniority is their system, not ours. And it needs to go. And we need to put somebody in that is a fighter that can deliver. Those are the only two qualifications that we want. How long you've been there, how you know the system. Enough.
And hearing her own that, because she basically is owning what he said, that it's true. Then it makes me question her endorsement of Jeffries, okay? Because she wants a certain committee assignment. And so it's just, it's all one big game. That's what it says to me. It's a power grab by all of them, except these incoming congressmen and women that are fresh, that actually want to go serve the will of the people. But hearing her say that and then watching, I think I saw a clip recently of her endorsing Jeffries, it just makes me think this is an orchestrated game and that it's just.
It is.
Yeah, exactly.
I think, I think a lot of people have had to go in and play ball because that's the only thing they can do once they get there to actually try to get some progressive legislation done. So they've had to adapt. But in that process, that's where I think the breakage occurs. Like you start breaking as a human being when you start compromising your morals. And obviously you have to compromise to pass legislation. Of course, that is something that has to be done. But I think when you start compromising your morals, that's where these politicians get broken. And then you get this product that comes out of it that is, you know, just a complete caricature of a stereotype of how we see all politicians.
The only thing I want to add to that is that a lot of this inside the Democratic Party was also prevalent in 2024 with Harris and Biden, that in my opinion, led to Donald Trump being reelected, is that when Biden stepped down in that whole process, you just had people playing, instead of looking at what we're facing, which is a destruction of democracy and saying Democrats unite, do what's best for the party, not the person. We didn't do that. And again, you're starting to see that right now. Put all this aside, Donald Trump is trying to destroy this country. Okay, put all ego, power, all that aside and do what's best for the voters.
He is destroying the country. And then you get, there's this whole thing that exists online and not in the real world. And it is this, the corporate Democrats, they cling onto this centrist thing. We're centrist and we're moderates. And the extremes on both sides are terrible. And then the progressive left flank of the party says the centrists are, you know, corporatists, which I tend to agree with the left flank. And I believe in this election we just had, it was a broad coalition of voters that were pissed off more than anything, madder than hell at what's happening, want deliverables on affordability, want the crime to stop.
And what I saw in that turnout was rage. People are outraged at this administration. And so there's this gal named Nira Tandem, and she's always on the internet fighting with Hassan Pikert and Mehdi Hassan. And Nira, I believe she's worked for like Obama, I mean, established political player. I think she worked for Obama, Clinton, Biden, I believe. I don't know her exact resume, but I'm sure she's done some good work at times in her career.
But now she's very fixated on centrist politics versus progressive politics. And this was her take after the blue nominee. Play the clip.
This is an election for normie dams. Okay, I'm sorry. It's an election. You do not have this kind of wave of people winning everywhere.
This is an election of normie dims. When I hear clips of Nira, I always hear subtraction. I never hear addition, which I think, oh, okay, I read her Wiki page at some point. It's like, wow, she has an incredible resume. She's worked for all of these people. I'm new to political commentating, but I've always been a political junkie. But I do know that the number one rule is you have to have a politics of addition. You know, you have to add people. For her to say that this, you know, this was just a normie election, you know, all just the normal people came out and voted.
No, this was a pissed off electorate, madder than hell at the status quo of both parties. If everybody, the normie Democrats are just so happy, you would see Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries' approval numbers above, let's just, I'll be generous here, 25%. They're below 20%, both of them. Chuck Schumer's is below 15%. And you see these candidates, like just, this is anecdotal, but so many of our friends in Oklahoma that were moderate, normie, either Republicans and/or dim are now like, God, I really love Abdullah Syed, and I love that Zoran Mamdani.
I'm fine paying more taxes if we get politicians like that. The corporate dims are so out of touch with where the base has gone. And I've been saying that on this podcast ever since Kamala lost in '24. And I became more deprogrammed from corporate news. And I saw it not just in myself, but anecdotally in everybody that I know. And I kept saying the establishment has no idea where the base is right now. And they're going to find out with the midterm results because we were going, Democrats, Democrats, save us, save us, do something, whip votes, no strongly worded letters.
You know, everybody was screaming it. And now they're out trying to paint this as this big moderate victory. Did some moderates win? Yes, but these alleged moderates, the Overton window has moved in the Democratic Party. These moderates, you know, for to have an adjective to describe them, ran on very progressive things. It behooves the Nira tandems to paint Zoran or Abdullah Syed as these radical politicians.
Nothing they really say or do is radical. She deems people that oppose aid to Israel and oppose the genocide as being radical. I just, I just see that as like a baseline human thing that you have to do. Like we have to oppose murdering kids at a minimum. I don't think anything about that is remotely radical. But I think what we're seeing right now in real time is the death of the establishment and they're clinging on and they're very concerned about these spaces that we're in right here, whether it's Hassan Pikert or this space or other independent media spaces, because that means they don't have proximity to power anymore.
And people having power is something that is very terrifying to them.
Yeah. And I don't know very much about this woman. I think I kind of blame you for me knowing anything about her because since I've been covering politics, I've seen her on X here and there, and it's not very impressive. But people like her, if you believe this new wave of Democrats, that this left pact of the party, if you believe that there's a rise in that, then that threatens her livelihood. I'm going to assume she's one of these corporate pro-Israel Democrats.
I think that's safe to say. And so she makes money financially off of advocating for their interest. In some ways, she's no different than a politician that receives APAC money. She's got a vested interest in this. And thus she wants to try to minimize any kind of upper rise by the progressive side of the party. And it's very unbecoming in some ways. And I don't mean this in an awful way, but in some ways she reminds me of that mom, you see at your kid's basketball game that you can't get away from that's telling the most boring story alive.
And you're like, please let me go, let me go, because you listen to her talk and it's, you know, it is what it is. But anyway, I blame you for me knowing anything about her at all.
I wouldn't know anything about her either, but she, a lot of the people that I really like, she's always fighting with on the internet. And the more I see what she has to say, the more I like the people that I'm following because they just cook her over and over and over again. And I think she acts like she's still in the 90s. And no disrespect, I've evolved politically as well. But to, I think it's patronizing to call people quote, normie dims. I think it's patronizing language to say this was a normie dim victory.
This was a robust big tent coalition of pissed off people, pissed off that government hasn't delivered for them, pissed off that the Democratic Party didn't do a goddamn thing with Donald Trump, that Merrick Garland didn't prosecute him, pissed off about the strongly worded letters. And that's before we even get to the MAGA fascists. And so I just find that to be patronizing and I find her language to be exclusionary and not inclusive because there's so much work that people did to get the vote out and especially in a lot of these spaces.
And I do believe independent media made a huge, huge impact. And I think to be so reductive to normie dim, like what are the rest of us? Crazy dims, oh, you're wild and crazy. You want people to have healthcare. That's fucking bonkers. You know, I mean, like stop with all that talk of a normie dim. Everybody's past that except for her. But these are the actual normie dims. Pop this up. All right. 84% of Democrats want Medicare for all. 85% of Democrats want to expand Social Security.
89% of Democrats want a $20 minimum wage. 74% of Democrats want to end military aid to Israel. 67% of Democrats want a data center moratorium. But we're just wild and crazy. We're not the normal dims. I mean, I just, it's just such exclusionary language because I as a progressive dim will say, obviously Republicans maybe came out and voted. That's how bad it is. Like that's how bad the situation is.
Centrists, progressives, leftists, it was a beautiful coalition of Americans. And, but I'm not, I don't, I'm not a, you know, 30-year veteran politico like she is, but I just hear subtraction in her language oftentimes.
And she makes it about her too, you know, about her positions or her candidates instead of just what's best for the party. I mean, the party had one of the best, I think, election runs since 1974. Like it was unheard of the way they came out and voted and just not to have a positive tick on it and try to slant your narrative about whether or not these are moderates or they're left or progressive or whatever they are. I mean, just to fit your narrative. And I think it's really more or less just to keep her relevant, just for her to stay relevant in the discourse.
Maybe shout up, get off X a little bit or I don't know.
So here's, you're right about the, this was at a post-Watergate level turnout. Pop this up. Dave Wasserman over at the Cook Political said with more than 116 million votes counted, dims lead in the National House vote is up to 13.5 points. It's now the largest margin for either party since 1974. 1974 was the conclusion of the Watergate scandal when Richard Nixon resigned August 8th of 1974.
So the election, just a couple months after, we saw massive blue waves. It's an anti-corruption electorate, but I just want to say this. Sometimes I think people do us favors. And when Haley Stevens acted like a traitor and a nut and took the mask off and said, actually, I'm a corporatist and I have more in common with MAGA than I ever did with Democrats. She did us a favor because she exposed a weakness within the Democratic Party, which now we know that it becomes an adjective.
This person is a Haley Stevens Democrat, which means you're not really a Democrat. On TV and in certain spaces, you go through the motions of publicly acting like a Democrat, but in private, you're ushering in the era of prostitution politics. And people that get fixated on, you know, this is a centrist or a progressive or whatever. I understand this because we are from Oklahoma. And I can just tell you that if you try to run a Democrat that acts like a Republican, they always lose.
They always lose because people don't buy that shtick. You have to run people that have a bold opposition to the status quo, that are willing to call out both parties' failures to deliver to people materially. And the Democrats have some ownership in that too. It's not near as bad as the Republicans. My number one thing on the planet is we have to defeat Republicans. But I think we've got to also now defeat the Haley Stevens wing of the Democratic Party.
Yeah. And we've got to defeat, well, like you said, the APAC. The people that take APAC.
That's the Haley Stevens.
Yeah. I mean, we're fighting that right now in the House specifically. I think it looks better in the Senate, but that faction of the party and then, you know, hearing what this incoming congressman described is basically being threatened. They're going to come after him. And then AOC confirms that she was primary and someone put $3 million against her with it. This is within your own party. People are doing this to you. So, I mean, it's cut throat. And I think the incoming congressmen and women that are so enthusiastic, they're not used to that.
They don't know that culture, that environment. And so it's going to be interesting to see how they adjust. This new guy that's coming, that's video and all this stuff. I love him.
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