Transcript of MAGA Can’t Spin This Shit

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Patriots, gay triets, they triets, black triets, brown triets. Fuck off. And the fuck off is to MAGA. Yeah. Just so there's no confusion about that. Welcome to America's Top DEI podcast. Pumps, what have you had it with?

Okay, what I've had it with is when you make a return and they call you and say, Do you want us to credit your card? This has happened to me two times in two weeks. I don't know if it's an ongoing, like a new thing, but I'm like, Well, let's see. I fucking returned it. What do you think I wanted? Just a card? But they're calling you. And I noticed they haven't credited my account because I've been dodging the call.

Okay, wait. Hold up. Is this something you ordered online? Yes. Okay. And then you shipped it back. Correct. And then they gave you a phone call. Correct. Are these these China shops you've been ordering from?

No, no, no, no, no, United States, and they have going concerns you can walk into, and have called me. The first time that I answered, because I wasn't sure who it was, and I'm always looking for a survey, and I was like, Well, yes, why would I return it? I just thought it was like maybe somebody messed up. Then I got a voicemail Friday that said, Well, we received this back, and we just wanted to make sure that you wanted us to credit your account.

What company is this?

It's a furniture company.

Okay. Do you think they're running some racket where they're trying to give you a store credit, then you forget about the store credit, and then they pocket the money. Well, here's the thing.

So I've been looking since then, have they credited my account? Because clearly they had it last week. Still haven't credited my account. So what I think they're doing is if you don't call them back, they're just keeping the money and not putting it back on your card. So I'm going to call them after this. But I just want to go on the permanent record. If somebody returned something, it is implied they want their money back. They don't want to thank you. They don't want a card. They certainly We don't want a telephone call. But yeah, that's what's happening to me.

It reminds me of like... You know what? I wish that we would get to the phase where when a relationship is over, it's over. Whether it be an email, whether it be like, I got my car serviced, which is not a fun experience to have to surrender your car, not have a car, go through all of it. It's expensive, et cetera. Then they want you to do a survey about the experience. It's like, Nothing about this experience was good, and the survey just made it really miserable. I know you like a survey. I don't want to talk about it. When I'm done with something, I'm done forever. Anyway, I want to shift gears and tell you what I've had it with. I have had it. I've had it with the fact that Grinder crashed twice during the MAGA, Donald Trump, Muffintop, Banks Convention, and it just still isn't in the news cycle. This needs to be at the top of the news cycle all day, every day, because I've identified the fundamental problem with this country right now. If you're in MAGA, you say, The problem is the LGBTQ+ and the flag, and they're cramming it down everybody's throat.

That's what they think is a legitimate problem. People being whatever sexuality they are and expressing it accordingly. I say it's deeper than that. I say the problem is the DL LGBTQ+ community. In the DL LGBTQ+ community are all of these MAGA politicians. Let me give you an example. If I didn't know anything about America, and I didn't know anything about Donald Trump, Kanks, about his history, and I came here from another planet, and I was dropped here, and then I started watching footage of Kanks, I would think he was an out-of-the-closet bisexual. He gave a microphone a blowjob. He's drooling. I mean, drooling, talking about the size of Arnold Palmer's cock. And I would think, boy, this guy is not... I mean, he's super bi, but a total size queen. At his rallies, he's always like, Look at this good-looking guy. Stand up. Look at the muscles on this guy. Oh, he's a good-looking guy. I mean, really excited about men. And then I see the people in the cult so excited about Donald Trump. I think there might be erectile issues with his current state, so they have to Photoshop what they want him to look like, but it's his essence for pornographic reasons.

But I just think, and then we get to Moses Mike Johnson, I think total queen. Oh, 100 %. He's a DLLGBTQ. When we get to Josh Holly, D-L-L-G-B-T-Q. When we get to Moses Mike, D-L-L-G-B-T-Q. And then we get to Ted Cruz and people like that. And I don't know what it is, but I know it's not something that Jesus would have prove of. Now, I don't give a shit because I'm not a prude Puritan religious hypocrite. But I think the problem, the reason why we're experiencing this trauma and this hostile takeover of our democracy is because of DL LGBTQ+. I think there is this moment, and I understand this, in the LGBTQ+ community where it's like, and I agree with it, it's painful Sometimes if you come from a Republican, conservative family and you're gay, and I believe you're born that way. The journey to come out can be traumatizing, abusive. You get bullied, your parents don't speak to you. It's horrific, Right? And so there should be an approach where we're kind and gentle and understanding about that. Here's where I cross away from that, is when you have these demon queens actively bullying and intimidating the LGBTQ+ community.

I'm speaking about Kitten Hills in Florida that painted over the Pride crosswalk. For what? Just to be a dick? Just to be a dick. Just to be a dick, to bully these people more. I just want to remind America that there is a group of DL, LGBTQ+ people within the MAGA movement that are in it, and then supporters of it that they talk about gayness and queerness, and trans issues way too much to not identify with it on some level. They're passing all of this legislation. Now, We've got this horrific woman that's taking her case to the Supreme Court, the bunhead. Anyway, so I've had it with that. I want Magga to answer. I want all of Magga to answer, why did Grinder crash twice? Two times. Two times. I want to keep it at the top of the news cycle. I want these hypocrites that bully people that had the courage and the bravery to come out and be who they are and be human beings on this planet that have jobs and problems and all the stuff that we do in face of all these religious Christian hypocrites that are so cruel to them.

And they try to find pride, which is why it's called Pride Month and who they are. And you've got all these crusty white people that are just horrific about it. And I want these crusty white people to answer, why do you go and put a maxi pad on your ear during the day and say, God bless Donald Trump, and then go back to your hotel room, get on Grinder, and go out and do gay stuff? Why do you do it? I want you to answer for it.

Well, and how do you not feel like a hypocrite? Why don't you feel yucky inside?

Because you can't shame the Shameless.

You can't shame the Shameless. But here's just a little thing. From my background, shame is such a driving force in evangelical Christian circles, particularly with regard to sex. So it is amazing that these people that are Shameless at the same time, they shame women that have sex with multiple men outside of marriage. They shame gay people, but yet they exalt and are raw, raw for men that have several sexual partners. So the Shameless are really good at shaming people because I remember feeling so much shame about sex growing up, how it was taboo, I guess.

Do you think this is why you're asexual? Maybe.

I really think the reason I'm asexual is because I'm just lazy. I'm just too lazy to go out and cultivate a relationship.

I do think probably the impetus of not coming out of the closet for them is initially shame. But when you cross over a boundary and then you decide that you're both going to praise Jesus and praise Canks, and then at night, get on Grinder and go do gay shit, there's a part of me at that moment where I can't have empathy for the closet case anymore. I have empathy for a lot of people in the closet having grown up in the Bible Belt and have so many gay friends. I saw firsthand how their parents treated them when they came out of the closet with disappointment. The parents were ashamed. They didn't speak to them. They thought it was personal. I remember my friends. I remember one gay friend in particular. We were sophomores in college, and his parents were divorced. The parents that lived in Oklahoma City, he told they were pretty accepting about it. The other parent and the new spouse lived in rural Oklahoma. It took three or four months mentally for him to even prepare to go tell them because he was so fearful of the shame, of the judgment, of the rejection.

The fact that these people are being that duplicitous. I'm going to be a pious, moral high ground, hypocritical prick during the day, and at night, I'm going to be a power bottom. I've had it. I am absolutely had it because you know, just by matter of statistics, that if Grinder crashed twice, we're talking about a lot of DL LGBTQ+s in attendance at the maxi pad convention. A hundred %. Okay. And then also by statistic, and there's no judgment, if you're a topper or a bottom, do what you want. I'm a liberal. I don't want to be involved in your bedroom, but I do want to be involved in the LGBTQ, the DL, LGBTQ+'s private lives, because they want to get in everybody else's private lives. So at that point, I want to know, Mike Johnson, are you a power bottom? I want to know. He strikes me as a power bottom. I want to know why you are so consumed with this. And I further want to know why your roommate in Washington, DC, currently, is an evangelical preacher who's connected to another Nashville-based investor that has gay sex, and that Moses Mike Johnson's roommate answers the door when Mike gets home from work in his panties.

And I want to know about. I want to know the details of that, because if Moses Mike is going to get on camera and go, Yeah, God told me I was Moses. It's like, Really, Mike? Really? Did God go, Hey, little buddy, wake up.

It's God. Hey, little power bottom.

Hey, little power bottom, wake up. It's God. Guess what? You're going to be Moses in Kinks' administration. I mean, we cannot give up our democracy in our country for these fucking hypocritical fleabags. Welcome to I've Had It. I'm Jennifer.

I'm Angie, H-B-I-C, Head Beaver.

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All right. I have some news stories I want to share with the listener and with pups. Okay. All right. Nearly half of Gen Xers have mom regularly talk to their boss. Shut up.

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Half of Gen Xers bring their parents to work. Parental help isn't limited to the job search. Many Gen Xers say their parents continue to be involved even after they are hired at varying frequencies. Eighty-six % have their parents review their performance reviews. Eighty-three % have their parents pack their lunch for work. Seventy-nine % say their parents communicate with their manager. This cannot be real. Seventy-three % get help from their parents completing work assignments. Fifty-seven % bring their parents to work.

I just don't even think this can be true. If this is what is happening in real-time, we have bigger problems than I even thought. These Titty Babies are taking their parents to work.

Here's the problem, though, Pumps. We talk about Titty Babies a lot, but there are Titty Baby parents that cultivate and create Titty Babies, and they want their children to be emotionally and physically enmeshed with them. They do not parent autonomy. They are involved involved in every aspect of their life. And when you think about the healthy cycle of life, you are very attached to your parents, obviously, when you're a child. And then as you turn 12, 13, you start the process of leaving the house. By the time you have a job, your boss should not know your parents' name.

A hundred % agree.

Your parents should make sure that the boss doesn't know your name. That's where we get into the none of your business. But I fault the parents for participating in this. Because if my child called me and said, I want you to come to work and look over my performance review, I would say, I will come to your We're going to go to the office and pick you up, and we're going to go take you somewhere to get some help. Right.

We're going to have a therapist on standby.

I have failed. Yes. You think this is a possibility. I have failed as a parent. We both need to go somewhere and get some help.

Yeah, I'm with you. I completely fault the parents. The parents are the problem, getting them the jobs. We had applications here for an internship. Everybody that applied, their parents, reached out and said, Hey, my daughter. It was a no, immediate. And the person we hired, we know her mother, yet she just cold-called us. That's who we hired. I don't want anybody whose parents reach out, full stop.

No. For my interior I'm in the design business, I remember this woman reached out to me on social media, and it was like, My daughter is a senior in high school. She thinks she wants to study interior design. I thought it'd be great for her to spend a summer with you, to to figure out if she likes it or not. This was my fucking problem. Right. No. Then I just said, Respectfully, I appreciate the reach out, but I do not hire people or have interns unless they can reach out on their own. That shut her up immediately. But I don't even think it had occurred to her, how inappropriate. But that is a situation where that kid is going to be a titibaby, but the mom raised a titibaby. You have a titibaby parent that is completely... And I think parents oftentimes just enable their kids when they're adults, when they're little, you're the center of my universe, is an appropriate thing to say, because it's That's literally and figuratively and metaphorically true. When your kids become adults, it's okay to say to them, I don't have time to listen to your story right now.

I love you, but I don't have time. I think parents enable this. You are the most special thing on the planet into adulthood. And then they go to work, and guess what? They're just some other motherfucker that punches the clock. Right.

Their boss doesn't like, Oh, my gosh, Johnny, you got here on time today. Here, let's take a selfie and post on Instagram because you're the greatest employee in the world. I have kids in the workforce or of workforce age, and they have told me, well, my daughter, about friends that have cried in the bathroom at work because somebody was mean to them or whatever. I'm just like, they're bigger mountains to climb.

I'll tell you, that's something I noticed in my interior design business. When you hire people that are not of your generation, I noticed there was more crying. I cry, and I'm probably a sociopath, all right? There's a good, strong case to be made for that. I cry maybe once annually tops. I mean, it takes a lot for me to cry. I understand that some people cry very easily, and I'm not mocking that. But there were certain things that somebody who worked for me would cry about. I remember, I was just thinking, this is not commensurate with what happened. This is just These two things don't go together. What happened here in this level of tears don't belong in the same chapter, in the same book. These are two completely different incidents. The one thing is here is this thing got messed up at work. The other problem here is you're a basket case. Right.

And you're going to have mess-ups and you're going to be called out. You can't get your feelings hurt. It's work is not personal.

No.

It's that story. I'll tell you what, even though I know that I was shocked by the numbers.

That's shocking. That's really shocking. Okay, next up. I want to get the Beaver legal eagles's opinion on this, considering she's America's top divorce attorney. A man donated his kidney to his wife and demanded it back for 1. 5 million when he filed for divorce. A shocking divorce case went viral after a man demanded either his kidney back or 1. 5 million in compensation from his wife. Years earlier, he donated the organ to save her life. When she later filed for divorce, he argued that his life-saving gift should be factored into the settlement. While the case stirred massive public debate, courts ruled that organ donations are legally considered gifts and cannot be reclaimed regardless of personal circumstances.

Completely agree. It's a gift. You gave it voluntarily. It's just like when you have a family heirloom for a wedding ring and your daughter or your son gives it to his fiancé as an engagement ring, and then they get divorced. I've had so many clients say, Well, I should get that ring back. It was my grandmother's. Tough shit. It was a gift. You gave it to her. It wasn't like, no takebacks. You have to- So hold up.

So if like... I guess that makes sense. I'm just trying to... So if I gave my son my wedding ring to propose to his fiancé, and they get divorced, I can't say, Wait, I want that No, it's dead. It's a gift. It's a gift. I agree with that.

Yeah, and the kidney is the same thing. It was a gift. You don't get compensated for a gift. Fuck off. That's pretty fucking petty, too. Arguing about you want compensation for your kidney.

Yeah, I mean, here's what I'm thinking. She fucked around. She fucked around. He found out he does not want the opposing penis near his kidney. That's what I think, too. It's just he's immediately protecting his kidney from close proximity limity to a foreign penis. Yeah.

He thought he would be the only penis close to that kidney. Yeah.

It's the only thing that makes sense.

That level of pettiness doesn't come if there's no fucking around.

Yeah. Foreign penis involved. Incoming foreign invasion. All right. Next up. Marriage graduation refers to couples who move away, yet still remain married. Marriage graduation is growing in popularity, and it refers to a legally married couple who chose live apart to pursue individual goals, personal freedom, or a renewed appreciation for each other without the constraints of traditional cohabitation. This arrangement allows for independence and personal fulfillment in later years with couples maintaining their love and commitment while, quote, graduating from the daily obligations of living together.

I think if this was the standard, far less people would get divorced. Far, far, far less. I think it's It's the perfect solution to marriage.

I'm about to do this. Listen, I've rented an apartment in New York. I just moved my youngest son to California for college. I always wanted to live in New York. I'm tired of being in the Bible Belt, although the friends that I have here Red State, Liberals are built different. We're tougher. If we were running the Democratic Party right now, people would not feel so much despair. But I always wanted to do it. So I rented an apartment. I'm going to go back and forth, but Josh will stay here because he has a law practice. And I do. I feel like I graduated. I did it. I survived you, Josh.

I think you meant me. Same.

I raised the kids. And I love Josh, and I love the time that I spend with him. But we're not so like some Somebody asked me the other day, Aren't you going to miss Josh? I was like, Yeah, I will, but I'm not a person that yearns. Oh, my God, I miss you so much. My heart hurts.

You guys aren't super emotionally needy of each other. At all. I Which I think is healthy, but I have a girlfriend that her husband travels three weeks a month. She's like, That's the secret to our happy marriage. She's happier than she's ever been, and it's because they're apart a lot. And I just think living with someone, the mundane things about living with somebody else get on your nerves. In a situation like that, it's just you're excited to see them, and it's fun. You miss him. I think it's great. I think we should start doing this.

Yeah. I think it's I think the way that we have set stuff up, I think this is a part of what MAGA is fighting so much against. Yes, I agree. They want everybody to have this, even though Trump's been married three or four times, and we have all the DL, LGBTQ, views like Mike Johnson that plays house and congressman during the day and then power bottom at night on Grinder, in my opinion. I don't know that it for sure does that, but if I were betting in Vegas, I'd probably win. But the idea that women could have this level of independence, whether she says, Yes, honey, you go and you live somewhere to do this for your career or whatever your dream is, or that a man would be supportive of his wife, that type of equality is so healthy, and it's the natural evolution of our society, of our democracy, of civilization in making both genders equal. But it's what terrifies the DL, LGBTQ Plus, movement that crashed Grinder twice, whose leader performs oral sex on microphones and gets really, really excited about the size of a Penises. The excitement in that video, the large penis.

Talks about it openly.

He goes, The size of that thing.

Well, we all know from Stormy Daniels, he's got a little bit of tiny nebbon.

Yeah.

But I do think, Make America great again means make women in the home where they can't get a credit card, that they can't own a home. I mean, do not fool yourself, white women. Do not fool yourself. They want your daughters at home, cooking and cleaning, and submitting to a husband. I believe that, full stop.

Well, remember the news story I read a few episodes ago, where the husband told the wife, they were like a trad marriage, God wants me to spank you. And her priest Her pastor told her she had to submit to that. So basically, her pastor told her to submit to sexual violence because it wasn't just a slap and tickle sexual encounter. Of course, it was just downright he was a sadist, and it was incredibly abusive. These places don't make women safe. At the epicenter of this MAGA movement are emotionally stunted people. The DLLGBTQs in which I speak are incredibly emotionally stunted, unlike those that have pride in the community that did the work and fight for equality and civil rights. Same thing for these misogynists. These are broken people with inner child issues. That refuse to go to therapy. We haven't even touched on Steven Miller. I think that's got to be a full-blown S&M-style something. I picture him. He acts like he's the tough guy. But if I were a bettingal in Vegas, betting on the proclivities of these mega men, here's where I would bet Steven Miller is. You know that famous scene from Pulp Fiction, where the large black actor gets the ball gag put on and the two rednecks anally RAP him.

Steven Miller in public likes to play like he would be the RAP-Ist. In private, I think he's with the ball gag getting pegged.

Yeah, I 100% think he's the submissive. And he likes to be browbeat and ugly talk, too.

I think he likes to get pegged. I think we have a situation where he likes to get pegged and spanked. That's my opinion. I probably think, Oh, why are you talking about this? Blah, blah, blah. Because these people are specifically broken, especially broken around sex. We need to talk about why these people are so broken broken that they are ripping our democracy to shreds, have religious pastors, Pete Hexas' pastor, talks about women losing the right to vote. So this is serious. It is a serious as it gets. These are Christian-nationalists psychos, many of whom are DL LGBTQ pluses. Basically, I've had it. I've had it, too. Pumps and I need to share with everybody that we have written a book. It's called Life is a Lazy Susan of Shit Sandwiches. And believe it or not, Pumps and I have not always been so rock solid. And we talk about all of our trials, tribulations, most of all our fuck-ups. Yes, because fuck-ups are relatable and a part of the human experience.

I have gotten so much feedback regarding the book that because of my situation with the religion and addiction and all that, that people relate to that. So I do think there's something to take away that's comforting about it because we've all been in very difficult situations.

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We have a really exciting guest today. He's very smart. I'm hoping that we can keep up. I think he might be a little bit smarter than us combined, which is not that smart. We were on his show on MSNBC, and he is the co-host of the Weekend Primetime. Let's welcome to I've Had It, Ayman Mohaldeen. Hey, guys. Did I pronounce it correctly?

Yes, absolutely.

Oh, my gosh.

I have to admit, Kylie did a phonetic spelling for me. But Ayman, how are you?

I'm good, given all things. That question is a very difficult question to answer these days with everything that's happening in the country and overseas. I feel like when you answer, you I answer it on two levels. One level is just very reflexive. I'm doing well, my family is doing well, everybody's doing well. But then it's so hard to watch what is happening in your community, to your friends, to your country, to people overseas, and not feel affected by it.

That split screen, I think, is the most relatable thing that all Americans feel, because I will go about my life and I'll listen to some Yacht Rock in my car, and I'm driving down the road, I'm singing. My dog dogs are in the back, the windows are down, I see their faces out, and I'm thinking, God, this is a great day. And then it hits me or I look down at my phone and kinks. That's what we call Donald Trump, short for kankles, McTaco Tits. We just call him kanks. Kanks has done some crazy shit or he signed some effed up executive order. And then it hits me. And it's like this complete duality where on the one hand, I'm genuinely pretty happy and I feel free like I'm having a good time. And then I know that he is causing all this pain and suffering and sending people to concentration camps. And I don't even think he's mentally all there.

He's not. In fact, I was just actually sharing a clip with a friend of mine anecdotally. He was the other day. I mean, there's so many of these clips now that just make you think this guy does not seem to be all mentally there. But I just shared a clip with a friend of mine at the White House. He was standing next to the President of FIFA talking about how he thinks he's a great soccer player. He looks great.

He's great athlete. And he thinks he's a good athlete.

Yeah. This is a guy who thinks he's 6'3, 6'4, 220 pounds, maybe. I think he thinks he's built like a linebacker, an NFL linebacker. And I'm just thinking in my head, again, I have this expression, if Biden would have, because there are so many moments now where you're just watching this. You're watching these press conferences. You're watching these moments. You're watching him trip on the stairs. You're watching him fumble very basic language. You're finding him mixing up the names of very prominent governors like Gretchen Whitman. He's called Christine Whitman, I think, or something. And you think if Joe Biden would have done this, there would have been a media meltdown. There would have been nonstop, wall to wall coverage of, is he mentally competent? Should he continue to be President? Is it time for him to step aside? And yet, as a small example of the double standards that we have in this country, Donald Trump It says it. People laugh it off. People brush it off. People just move on with their lives. There's not this media meltdown from the right and certainly not from anywhere else. And we just move on like it's totally normal.

It's not at the top of the fold. My if Biden is, if Merrick Garland would have taken care of fucking business, we would not be here. I cannot express how disappointed I am with the Merrick Garland Department of Justice because he should be in jail right now. We shouldn't even be having these conversations.

And again, you bring up such an important point about the different set of rules that Republicans play by and that the Democrats play by. Everything with Republicans, specifically this administration, is all about projection, right? They project onto their enemies, their foes, what they want done, because they always have a double standard with what they think is the set of rules for them versus what the rules are for everybody else. And I'll give you a very good point about Merrick Garland. You're talking about an attorney general who came in on the heels of an insurrection, on the heels that everybody could see was incited by Donald Trump. After a phone call in which the President of the United States called the Secretary of State of Georgia was telling him, Go find me votes. It took him months to just prepare and think about and roll his time or take his time in rolling out this investigation. Donald Donald Trump has been in office for what? About seven months, eight months. Look at the way that he has weaponized the Department of Justice. Reopen investigations into people like John Bolton, who I have no love for as a politician or as an official in this country for what he has done, but nonetheless deserves due process, had an investigation into classified documents effectively closed under Biden, only to be reopened by this administration.

You have basically a list that It was published by Cash Patel that they are now slowly working their way through from former officials that they dislike, whether it's James Comey or John Brennan or all these other officials. So it's just mind boggling. It's mind boggling that anybody who's watching this administration is not aware of how they have moved to weaponize the Department of Justice and project what they have always criticized the other side of doing. Now they are doing it themselves.

I think he telegraphs every everything that he's going to do by either projecting what... Like he'll say, We're not going to have a country anymore. Well, that is his end turn. When you erode the judiciary, ultimately, you will erode the economy. So all of these country club Republicans that voted because they wanted the tax break, but they're socially liberal, but fiscally conservative. When you erode the judiciary, you do that by electing a convicted felon. And when that convicted felon then pardons all of the insurrectionists, that just starts. Of course, the Supreme Court started that before. But I always am, because we live in a red state, and so the folks that looked like Angie and me that ended up Trumping, they did it, they say, for fiscal reasons. Those things, just you cannot square that circle, because when you erode the judiciary, where do businesses take their contracts to enforce them? The economy is inevitably next. But before we get too far into kinks, we like to do just a light dusting of everyday grievances because we have to live in that split screen that we were talking about earlier. So, Amen, what have you had it with?

Okay. I don't know if you're experiencing this, but it's almost back to school here in New York. My kids are getting ready to go back to school in about a week's time, and we are already starting to get the emails from the schools. We're starting to get the WhatsApp groups off and running. And I got to be honest with you, I have had it. I have had it with all these WhatsApp groups, chat groups, all the emails that we're getting from the schools and everything to do with the... The school hasn't even started yet. I feel already overwhelmed with registering for after care classes, enrichment classes, what you have to do, the timeline, the groups, what you have to buy. I feel like you need an entire... You need an assistant just to go through the emails and WhatsApp messages involving the kids' back to school program.

It's just overwhelming. How old are your kids?

I have an eight-year-old daughter and a six-year-old son.

Okay. I wish I could tell you- What are you thinking of? I wish I could tell you that when they get to high school, it gets better. But I have bad news for you. My youngest son just graduated from high school, and I just moved him to USA last week. Thank you. The senior mom group me was so incredibly psychotic and codependent. We have this phrase in the south where when somebody is a mama's boy or a mama's girl, we call them titibabies. You have a generation of titibabies, but really they're raised by hyper-involved parents that titibabied them. And we were just talking about this before you came on. I think it's a huge problem because I remember when I was younger, I don't know that my mother was ever at the high school. Never. Not one time.

It's such an interesting point. I'm going through this also because I'm from the generation where we did not have Internet, we did not have emails. I think my parents also, as immigrants, were still figuring out the public school system in America. So that was a bit of a learning curve. And we spent a lot of it trying to figure it out ourselves. I think for the most part, it worked well. But now it's almost too much involvement. I think, and I don't mean this in a bad way, but I feel like at some point you just want to have your kids try to... I mean, my kids are still young, so I want to be involved. But to the extent that they can, with the school, to figure these things out, it would be great. I don't know. Getting a list of every single thing and an update of every single activity and every single meal that they're having and what lunch they're having and what's on the menu this week, it's so overwhelming. And like I said, It is something that we're trying to navigate to the best of our abilities with full-time jobs.

And we're not doing a very good job at it. Let me just say that.

I think you're doing a disservice to your kids. And I wasn't over mother. I'm not saying I wasn't. But the mothers that are at school all the time, that are constantly in people's business, Hey, little Johnny's having a snack, and I'm doing this. It's just like, Shut up. Get more to do. Maybe a part-time job for you, maybe something that you could do outside of being your kid's business. But it gets worse. I'm telling you, it gets worse.

Here's what I have to say about my co-host Pumps, who I love. It was probably about four years ago. So we have five kids between us. No listener. We're not lesbians, but we did raise our kids together. Yeah, we did raise our kids together. Not that there's anything wrong if we were lesbians, nonetheless. Her oldest son was the first to college. I remember exactly where we were. We went to lunch at this restaurant in Oklahoma City called Saturn Grill, and she gets a message And I think her son was a sophomore, and she is in a college- Group me. Group me. I want to tell you that I really let her have it because I thought, this is beyond the pale. Kids need to go to college and fail. You need to succeed and fail. Failing is a part of childhood that prepares you for adulthood, because adulthood is a series of failures. And you wake up and you look in the mirror and you go, You dumb bitch, you failed again. You have to rinse and repeat and go over and over until you can learn to manage it. But it goes on into college.

Are you in any parent group me right now in college?

No, I don't even have group me on my phone anymore.

Okay, this is growth. This is growth, Amy.

If I responded on the Group Me, my son would be furious. But no, the group me, when I finally deleted the app, he was a junior or maybe- In college? In college. And the moms are still going strong. Still going strong.

I feel like it becomes a bit of a support group for the parents, and it's less about the kids. There have been times where I'm on these group chats where I get a sense that it's all like the parents want to go have a drink, and they want to go hang out. I thought the WhatsApp group was supposed to be, Hey, here's the situation at the school. Here's like, we need volunteers. We need a parent to go on a trip to chaperone the kids. But it ends up morphing into a social calendar for 60, 70 different parents in the entire class in the different groups. And I'm like, Guys, I love you I is, but I don't care about what your summer plans are, who's going where and who's doing what? And it's just like, let's be to the point. If it has to involve the kids, let's just keep it focused on that. If we need to put them in a camp, who's going to do drop offs, who's going to do pick off? Let's try to Use it as a logistical support tool as opposed to a mental support group for the entire parents.

And then also in the south, it turns into, and I'm sure you've been a part of this, outmoming each other and then taking a victory lap in the group. Me, I've had it with that. You win, you can have it. You can have at it, girl. You go be the homeroom mom, swing for the fences, sis. Your kid is going to be the tity baby that goes to work, and his mom isn't there to tell him, Congratulations, she made it on time and it's going to have a meltdown. This drives us crazy. Godspeed, because I think it keeps getting worse and worse. Okay, you had another one that you e-mailed with us, which I want to talk about, which I think is really good. You said that you had it with countries that don't use air conditioning during the summer, and you were recently in France.

Yes. This is a bit of a rude awakening for me, I have to say. We just did our summer vacation, and we spent a little time in Paris. My wife actually has an apartment in Paris, and so we were able to use it for the first time in a long time. I didn't know this, but it didn't have air conditioning. We were in Paris in the middle of a heatwave. She tells me as we are arriving to Paris, Oh, by the way, this apartment, nice apartment, very comfortable for us, doesn't have air conditioning. I'm like, What do you mean it doesn't have air conditioning? Apparently, France, less than 20% of apartments in France have air conditioning. And I'm like, Okay, hold on. We always think of France as a civilized country because of the museums and the art, and it's so sophisticated. How do you guys not have air conditioning? I mean, I've been to third world countries that have air conditioning in every apartment. How does France not have it? And so apparently, it's also become a political issue now in France between the right and the left, between some people who think that we should have a push to modernize apartments and have air conditioning.

And For those that think it's bad for the environment and sitting in your apartment in the dark in the middle of the day, sweating bullets, it's totally normal. And I'm just like, I was definitely love going to France, speak French. This was the first time I had heard them complain about being in Paris and France. I was like, I think I convinced her that it's time to have air conditioning.

Okay, I see your point about that, and I have to sleep with air conditioning. But I think that there needs to be a middle ground because so many times in the United States, the air conditioning in the summer, I'm freezing my ass off inside places. I'm literally freezing that I'm craving going to get the end of my car that I know has been sitting in the sun so I can just feel the warmth envelop me. It seems like there's just an extreme. There's either no IC, like what you're doing over there, or half the time in the United States, I'm freezing all summer long that it's like 100 degrees in Oklahoma, and I have a sweater around my neck just for being indoors.

Yeah, I agree with you. That's a little bit too much, and you don't need to have that. And that maybe is a sign of being a little bit excessive if you have to put on a scarf in 100 degree weather indoors in Oklahoma. I think for me, I'd rather have the option. So let's just start with saying, okay, let's have the AC unit in the apartment, and if it gets too hot or too cold, you can regulate. But we didn't have a choice. So we're just sitting there in the dark. All we had was Like a small little tiny fan that we're all huddled around at night so we can fall asleep. But as you can imagine, it really did not cool anyone down.

No, that would have sent me into absolute... I would have had the tailspin to end all tailspin.

Would you Uber to a hotel?

I would 100 %, I would have Ubered to a hotel. I would have been like, Peace out, bitches. I can't do it. I just can't. My air conditioning broke for 24 hours, and you would have thought that I was losing my kidneys because I was like, This has to happen. I can't live without air conditioning. I'm too far the other end. I agree.

Listen, you can call me. My wife thinks I'm a little bit coddled because I am so used to the- Are you a titty baby, Amen?

Are you coddled, maybe?

Listen, I have lived in a lot of hardship places in my life. I've lived in Gaza, I've lived in Iraq during the war, I've spent a lot of time in Syria, I've spent a lot of time in countries that have gone through a lot of hardship. I feel like I've earned the right to say I would like to have Eric in his name.

Yeah, especially in 2025. But you mentioned that you lived in Gaza, and we have been on your show, and then you and Pumps and I texted about this subject afterwards, which was a great conversation. This is something that is going on actively. For people that live in flyover states like we do, there's not a lot of diversity. You hear about the stuff that's going on, and I'm not saying pumps in me, but the average American voters, pretty low information about this. There are people on the Coast that are hyper-involved in it. But when you get to swaths of America, not for me personally, but for friends that are left-leaning, we'll say, Yeah, I don't really get what's going on over there. It seems like they're always fighting. And then they just move back into their American ethnocentrism. But there's a gal named Ms. Rachel. She has this YouTube channel, right? And so all of these people that are a generation younger than me, that I have these nephews that are having babies now, and they're watching Ms. Rachel all the time. And Ms. Rachel is talking about what's happening to these children and the famine in the starvation.

And so it's piqued some interest of some women that have small children that live in flyover states. And recently, we're in the news all the time, not in it. Well, we were a couple of weeks ago when I chewed out MAGA, but Since then, it's been pretty good. But we keep our eyeballs on the news. I saw that this week, Israel attacked a hospital and killed five journalists. I think what pisses me off so much about this is just that on its face. But then when you dig behind it, you saw American politicians, when this war started, autographing bombs that were going over there. Then when I think about Democrats, I expect this from MAGA. They're into cruelty. They don't give a shit. I get that. But Democrats, when I know that they will say Vladimir Putin is bad, Donald Trump is bad, Alligator Alcatraz is effed up, denying people due process is effed up, Vladimir Putin has kidnapped 1. 6 million Ukrainian children. And then they don't say a fucking word about Benjamin Netanyahu. It makes me crazy, that moral duplicity. And once you start opening your eyes up to it, it gets more and more daunting the further you look.

I want you to speak to this, to our audience who might be some progressives in these flyover states, and explain, I think your mother's Palestinian, and Because a lot of Americans, our whole experience is just America. America. It is. So help us understand how this situation harms the American public.

Yeah. There's a lot to unpack there. And thank you so much for that question. Let me start with that last point because it is such an important point, because one of the things that a lot of supporters of Israel do is that when we in America speak up about what is happening and what Israel is doing to Palestinians that is being enabled by America, the first thing that is often used to shut down conversation is, well, what about Sudan? What about Congo? What about any host of countries that are experiencing atrocities that rightfully deserve a lot of attention? But to your point, we in America have a tremendous responsibility for what Israel is doing in Gaza because we are bankrolling that entire country. We're giving it military aid. We're giving it diplomatic cover at the United Nations. We shield it from accountability at the ICC and ICJ. We're sanctioning. We are literally sanctioning the international court that we also want to bring Vladimir Putin to justice. But when it came to Israel, that very same court, we sanctioned because they wanted to bring Benjamin Netanyahu and the leaders of Hamas to account. But when we talk about America's role in what is happening in Israel and Gaza, we have an extra responsibility because as I was saying, we provide a diplomatic cover, we provided political cover.

We are doing things in this country that we would not even allow for Americans to. I'll give you one example. You are allowed to boycott American products if you want. If you want to stand up and say, Hey, I would like to boycott these companies because I don't like what these companies are doing. And Maga does this, and people on the left do this all the time. If we don't agree with the company, we're allowed to call for the boycott of that company. You're seeing in America, states pass legislation that are anti-BDS laws, that if you want to boycott Israel or if you want to boycott Israeli companies because of what they're involved in, in the oppression of Palestinians, it is becoming illegal in many states in the United States. And that's absurd. So I think the first thing I would say about this is this issue is an American issue. This is not a foreign policy issue. This is an issue that is reflecting on our society and our country with how we spend our money, what freedoms we're willing to curtail to exercise our rights of free speech when it comes to the issue of Israel, what do we expect of politicians and how dark money and lobbying is affecting the way politicians in this country behave.

That's on the very high level part of the discussion. But when you go to the nitty-gritty of it, what I always say to Americans, and you probably know, I lived in Georgia. My parents, when they moved to the US, they lived in Georgia for a little bit. I went to high school in Georgia. I lived in a deep red district for many years. It's now a bit purplish. But I had a lot of experiences with Americans who didn't know the ins and outs of the conflict, but they understood what is right and what is wrong. And when you explain to people in very simple terms, there is a group of people who would like to have their freedom, want to live freely, want to be able to control their lives without being under military occupation, Americans understand that. And they understand that even more so when you explain to them, We are giving the weapons, we are giving the bombs, we are giving the diplomatic cover that sustains that occupation, that maintains that occupation. And it's done for a whole host of reasons. Some of it is religious fanaticism. There's this like, evangelical belief that somehow Israel is the biblical Israel that they have to support.

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The way I see it is anti-Semitism are people that are just straight up Jew haters. And you have that explicitly, I think, in MAGA. When you get to our side, you have people that want freedom for everybody and to stop human rights violations, regardless of religion, regardless if you're Jewish, regardless if you're Palestinian. If we see human rights violations, we go and fight for those that are being oppressed. It just seems It's like when you get into these conversations right now, it gets so twisted and contorted. And this is what scares the shit out of me, Amen. The Democratic Party is not addressing this. And you have Marjorie Taylor-Green, who is a total anti-Semite. She is the Jew hater that I'm talking about. She is the rapture prepper who is making a point because she's a grifter. But she is making a point that the MAGA movement is not a America first, if they're Israel first. And this shit will hit hard in red states. That what she says will hit hard in flyover states. And that Democrats not addressing this leaves a vacuum for more MAGA grifters that oppose human rights.

That is such an important point. I'm so glad that you brought up Marjorie Taylor-Green. There is this love that is happening for Marjorie Taylor-Green among some pro-Palestinian activists and others who are watching and saying, oh, look, even if Marjorie Taylor Greene now is speaking up like this. Marjorie Taylor Greene, I think we should remind everyone, has not been a supporter of the Palestinian cause. She has, time and time again, actually stood against Palestinians. She has voted to send weapons to Israel, weapons that have been used to kill Palestinians. She attended the speech of Netanyahu in Congress when she had a chance to boycott it. This is a guy who has been indicted as a war criminal. So this idea that somehow she has now had an epiphany and realizes that she had it wrong all this time, I think to your point, tries to mask a growing concern that she actually harbors anti-Semitic sentiments, if not feelings, that are very dangerous and should be condemned at every turn. But what has happened, as you so perfectly said, is that the Democrats who are supposed to be the anti-war party, who are supposed to be the party that speaks with moral clarity about human rights and freedom and oppression, can't even get themselves to say that what What is happening in Gaza right now is a genocide when every single major international human rights organization, when Israeli human rights organizations, when every respectable international genocide scholar is telling you that what is happening in Gaza is genocide, the Democrats are basically still tiptoeing around the issue, won't stop sending weapons to Israel, still meeting with an indicted war criminal.

You talked about Vladimir Putin being given a red carpet treatment in Alaska by Donald Trump and being called out by the American media establishment and the Democrats. What did they do when Benjamin Netanyahu showed up to Washington, DC? He's visited Washington, DC several times since he has been indicted, and more importantly, during the Trump administration. How many Democrats have met with him? Did Cory Booker meet with him? Did Chuck Schumer meet with him? Yes. And that's my point.

And they have Cory hid in the photograph. Yes, exactly. And here's the thing. This is what I'm talking about when you open up your eyes. We had Cory, Senator Booker on the podcast, and I really liked him. It's hard to keep track of all these politicians and everything they do. But then I saw that picture of him behind Benjamin Netanyahu, and I heard the chicken shit excuse that he wouldn't endorse Zora Mamdani. And then I see Hakeem do the same shit. And it's such chicken shit. It is total chicken shit. And then you start following the money, and then you realize, Oh, they're prostitutes just like the right is. They're every bit as beholden. And that's what makes me think people will be in the comment section, Jennifer, you should run for office. I'm like, I would rather earn my money on my back. And at least everybody would know exactly what I was, and I wouldn't have to get on TV and lie about it. Because it is so devastating to hear somebody try to have moral clarity about one thing. You expect it with Magga. But somebody like Booker or Jeffrey's have moral clarity about one issue, and then just complete blind obedience to Benjamin Netanyahu out of fear of being called an anti-Semite.

And that's not what this is. This is about human rights over any ethnic identity or religion. This is a human rights issue. Before anybody's Jewish, before anybody's Palestinian, we don't even get to that. We value human beings first and foremost. What they associate with is irrelevant to the suffering, in my opinion.

Well, and to go back to the first question that you asked me about America, and I alluded to this in the question of lobbying and the ability to influence our politics with money. Look, we had David Hogg, the former vice DNC chair, on on our show this past weekend. Oh, I saw that. Yeah, and we've had others, Cameron Kasky and others, very young, smart, the next generation, if you will, of democratic thought leaders in this country. Not politicians, but just people out there having the important conversations, and I asked them point blank. I was like, look, why do you think that Hakeem Jeffrey is not endorsing Zora and Mamdani? This is a very simple question. You have a candidate who has energized the base. He is speaking to a very specific segment of the population and appealing to young people. He is mobilizing people across all kinds of backgrounds, religious divide, ethnic divides, racial divides, gender divides. He's mobilizing people. He's winning. He's doing the things that you've been telling us that you want. Why is this person not getting your endorsement? And his answer was very simple. It's money. It's APAC money. These people put their donors ahead of their voters.

And when you put your donors ahead of your voters, you're going to listen to what your donors tell you. Right now, the donors of the Democratic Party and the Republican Party are telling them, Hey, we don't want you to consider what Israel is doing a genocide. We don't want you to consider Benjamin Naniahu, who's an indicted war criminal, somebody that should cut off. And they're basically setting the agenda for what the Democratic Party leadership can say and cannot say when it comes to the issue of Israel. You had Katherine Clarke in an interview last week. I think she was speaking. And basically, the minority whip for the Democrats, basically say, What is happening in Gaza is genocide, and we have to stop this genocide. We have to stop this starvation. A couple of days later, what does she do? She walks it back. Why? Why are you so afraid to describe what everybody is seeing and what people and experts are describing so clearly? And I think for the average Democrat, and I do think, honestly, in a lot of flyover parts of the country as well, people have had it. They are waking up and they're looking They had their phones and they're seeing these pictures of kids missing limbs with their heads cut off, parents burying their children, children orphan, losing all of their parents.

They're seeing that on their phones day in and day out, and they're like, Hey, we do not want to be a part of Bernie Sanders was just speaking, I believe, in somewhere, a deep red state, part of his fight oligarchy tour. And he talked about the need to cut off weapons to the Israeli government, and he got a standing ovation. I don't understand why more Democrats are not doing that? Why are you not out there speaking with moral clarity about the moral issue of our time?

I think the biggest promoter of anti-Semitism right now is the Israeli government and Benjamin Netanyahu. The backlash to their provocations and their superiority that they think that they have. And then when the American public finds out that you don't have health insurance, but everybody in Israel does, and you have student loan debt, but nobody in Israel does, this is an opportunity that Marjorie Taylor-Green, because she hangs out with Steve Bannon, who is it? They're both nuts. But Steve Bannon is politically savvy, and he is using this. And she's starting to message this because you go out to rural America and you start saying stuff like, They're not America first. They're Israel first. They got free health care. It's an immediate reaction to that. And she knows that, and she's using it. And why the Democrats aren't? I mean, Zwar Mamdani is a fucking layup. It is a goddamn layup. We need new energy. He represents what blue cities and what America looks like, the diversity that we all like in multiculturalism. It drives me crazy. This Democratic leadership drives me insane. But I do think we have to keep pressuring them because we have the leaders that we have.

And think about how far Trump pulled the Republican Party. Now they're commies. They're Socialists now. I mean, think about how far they went. Yeah. So we can pull. I mean, we have We have to keep pressure on the leaders we have, and we have to keep pulling them as far as we can until there's an election or whatever. So I think these conversations are important. Hakeem and Cori, come on, bros. I mean, come on. This is insane. All right, but it's time to move on to our world famous game. World famous. World famous, Barack Obama's played it. Yeah. So it's Kamala Harris, and now you. All right. It's called the. So I'm not impressed at all. All right, for two old broads from Oklahoma.

I didn't know this was in the works, but let's do it.

Okay, it's called Had It or Hit It. Oh my God. Welcome to Had It or Hit It. I would hit it. Had It.

Had It.

I hit it every day, sometimes twice a day. Okay. Had it or hit it, cranky flight attendance.

Had it. Definitely had it. We wanted to spend hours on a plane with a cranky flight attendant who's flinging a a bag of chips across the aisle and hitting you in the face, or if you ask for a bottle of water telling you, Wait, you got to wait 30 minutes until I can get it to you. No, I've definitely had it with cranky flight attendants.

See, I'm a little opposite.

What's that?

I'm a little opposite, Because I feel like they have to deal... I feel like teachers and flight attendants have the worst jobs because they have to deal with the general public, and in teachers' case, the parents of the general public, which is the worst. I loved it in COVID when they ducttaped those people to the seats that got online. I was like, fucking go. They deserve it. They need it. Because some people just cannot assimilate into normal behavior, just even long enough to ride a plane.

We both want to be cranky flight attendants. I think after you go through a decade more of the group chat, you might go, Okay, I fucking get it now. I want a job where I can go to work and go, You need to straighten up or I'm kicking your ass off the plane. No water for you. Shut the fuck up. I'm into it.

I will say this. So here's my issue, and maybe we can split the difference, which is maybe it's the airline companies that make the experience of travel so bad that everybody from the moment they're about to get on that plane, they just feel like shit. Whether you're a passenger or you're a flight attendant. Because by the time you get on that plane, after going through everything you've gone through, the fees that you've had to pay, the crap that you've had to deal with about luggage or your bag is one pound overweight, or you can't do that, it doesn't fit in the carriage, take your shoes off, pour the water out, whatever it is, you get on that plane and you're so cranky and you just want a cup of water or a bag of peanuts. And so the flight attendant is already at a disadvantage. She's getting a customer who's probably annoyed. So I do think that the entire airline industry needs to be disrupted, needs to be made over. We need to stop bailing out these companies. Totally.

The corporate welfare.

I don't want to make it sound like I'm against the flight attendants. I get they have hard jobs, but I do feel that if we made the entire, if we revolutionize the entire airline industry, everybody, from the moment they get on that plane, they get a comfortable seat, you get a freaking bottle of water that should not cost you an arm and a leg, and you can easily just watch a little bit of TV and get on with your journey.

I agree. I think we should put Sean Duffy in charge of it.

He's doing so well. Oh, my God.

Okay. Had it or hit it, South Park.

Oh, definitely hit it. Love that show.

Love that show. I believe in repetition in politics, And South Park is repeating the teeny weeny that we all know to be true from Stormy Daniels. And so we talk about that a lot, Little Dick Energy. We talk about that a lot because we're petty and bored and in red state America. But I love that they just keep hammering it at them. And the fact that originally, I think Charlie Kirk was somewhat flattered because they just don't seem to get jokes now, Maggie.

Yeah, exactly. And look, honestly, for me, I'm a free speech absolutist. I think that you have to have the ability to speak absolutely freely about everything that you want in this country. And it's a very difficult time when you're watching the media and entertainment landscape with all of the changes that are happening on. Sometimes there's been a lot of criticism against the media and news organizations, big media companies, many of them bending the knee to Donald Trump out of fear. Studios talking about how they need to change the culture and the content of what they're creating to appeal more to MAGA, whatever. And that's fine if you I think that's a commercial business sense. I don't want to get into that. But ultimately, what I love about South Park is they have constantly pushed and tested the limits of the boundaries of free speech. Is it always tasteful? No. Joke, but it's not meant to be. It's a cartoon that is supposed to just mock people in power. And so you don't have to laugh at every joke, but you can't deny that you can appreciate the fact that they keep the boundaries of what they want to say as expansive as possible.

And I think for me, that is a net win for this country when you're talking about free speech across the board. The more free speech shrinks, whether it is political speech or entertainment speech or comedy, the more our society loses big time.

Yeah. And I think it also... My whole thesis sentence about a lot of these people in the MAGA movement, it's like trickle down even says. It's trickle down titty babies. All Trump does is whining. He's a victim. I mean, Steven Colbert hurts his feelings. 60 Minutes hurts his feelings. South Park hurts his feelings. And then it just trickles down. Everybody's feelings are hurt. And everybody, pardon my language, but the MAGA movement is just the biggest grouping of pussies I've ever seen. Masquerading is, look at us, we're alpha males, and we got nuts on our Ford F-150s. We got truck nuts. It's too much. I've had it with them. Okay, two more. Had it or hit it, cracker barrel.

Are you talking about the change in the logo or just generally across the board? Because I got to be honest with you. No, I hit it. I like cracker barrel. Listen, I'm telling you, I played sports in high school in Georgia. This was in the mid '90s. Cracker Barrel was a go-to spot before games, after games. It was right up there with apple beans and chili. So you're not going to get any criticism from me cracker barrel as a stop to eat or all you can eat. I mean, I'm there for it.

Okay. Last one. Had it or hit it, the United States of America?

I'm going to go with hit it. I'm always Listen, I have this conversation a lot with friends, and especially when we're overseas this summer, a lot of people are asking me about the United States, like what's going on, how difficult it is. All of that is true. This is not a good time for the United States, no matter how much MAGA tries to spin it. But at the same time, if we, the people who live in this country, and I'm sure you've heard this, my parents immigrated to this country. They chose America. And when you choose to come to live in America, you carry with it a certain responsibility and a certain burden that you don't walk away from it when things get tough or things get bad. And I do think that this is a moment of tremendous challenge in this country. I think it's very difficult for a lot of people, certainly with my background, who have one foot still in the Middle East and one foot here in the United States, knowing that your government has contributed to the killing of your friends and to your relatives and to people overseas, whether it's in Iraq or in Gaza or elsewhere, it's difficult to reconcile that.

And it's a constant state of tension that many of us find. But if you turn your back on it, if you walk away from it, if you abandon that fight, then you are conceding the entire ground to the people who want to continue with this evil and barbaric foreign policy. Policy and the problems that they're doing here domestically. So the way that I look at it is, yes, this is a difficult time, a challenging time. But if you don't stay and fight in the spaces that you have in this country to try to make it better for our kids, future generation, then you're betraying the very ideals and values of what this country represents.

I completely agree. Thank you so much for coming on our podcast. Good luck with the group chats in the group. They are only going to go get worse from here. It's going to get worse. I recommend drawing boundaries early.

I'm trying to get out of the WhatsApp group, but when I leave the WhatsApp group, it says, Ayman has left the group.

No, but you need to set that precedent.

You need to set that precedent. Like, when they start going on, Oh, well, do you want to get coffee? And what do you like in your coffee? Oh, I like mine with sugar. You just need to put, Left the group chat. Maybe it'll instill some self-reflection.

Maybe. I'll try that.

All right. Thanks again for coming on. Thank you so much. Okay, bye. Like I said, he's really smart.

He's really smart, and he's so engaging and obviously adorable-looking.

Let me ask you this. But you guys, before we started filming, Pumps had said, I said, I'd like our guest today. This is why Kylie is setting up the cameras, because we were on his show on MSM CNBC. And then I said, Yeah, he's really smart. And Pumps says, He speaks a lot of languages, too, which I find really sexy. So as he came on, I could tell. I was like, Oh, yeah. And I'm noticing a pattern here. Hassan Piker and then Amen. And I think what we have here is Pumps has a type, and it is maybe 10, 15 years younger.

You know I couldn't pull the trigger on 10 or 15 years younger.

Why not? Because that's my- Okay, first of all- He's married.

No, I know. But I'm just saying I have this weird thing about my skin because I feel my daughter's skin and her skin, she's young. It's perfect. And I just think a younger person touching my skin in a sexual way, it would just be a complete creep-out vibe. So I just can't do younger. So I know that's fucked up, but that's just my own issue.

But you could marry your ex-husband Well, I was showing it's stupid when that happened. All right. That's all we have for today, Pumps Tell.

We will see you next Tuesday and Thursday.

I'll tell you what I've had it with.

Let's hear it.

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