Transcript of Episode 558: Why That "10% OFF" Sale Feels So Irresistible & How To Use The Same Trick On Yourself

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Shawnee.

Hello everyone.

So nice to see you.

I know it is. You know what Sydney said?

What?

She goes, I haven't seen you in so long.

Well, she hasn't. You've been very busy trying to save the world. I am.

I'm on a mission.

One Israeli at a time.

If I, if it's the last thing I do, peace in the Middle East will come.

Yes. I mean, that's what we all want. But that's where you've been. I haven't seen you for so long.

Yeah.

All right. So I want to talk to you guys today about something that I, I kind of was doing some work on something, I guess a week or so ago, and I wrote a little note to myself. I jotted a note down because I really want to have a podcast talking about something.

Wait, a physical written note?

With a plane? Yeah, I was in a meeting and I was talking about this whole concept and then I'm like, you know, this would make a really interesting podcast episode. I wanna talk about it and I wanna bring it, bring it up with you and what the topic is and what it is. It's a psychological marketing technique and it's the loss aversion technique. Hmm. Have you ever heard of this?

I have heard of this.

Okay.

I have heard of this years ago.

Okay.

Interesting concept. It's a great concept and I think I subconsciously use it a lot, but I don't know the deep, the depths of it too well.

Okay, well, this is what it's basically, what it basically is. And I wrote down some notes. It basically is human beings, people are twice as sensitive to loss than they are to gains. So if I give you $100, you'll be happy, but if you had to lose $100, you'd be twice as unhappy.

Yes.

Right?

That makes sense actually.

And it's, it's, it's crazy. So that what marketing people do when they're creating a campaign or what salespeople do is that They want you to know basically what you'll lose if you don't do something versus what you will gain. Because that psychologically, what the loss in your head is so much more severe than whatever that gain is. So like now that we're in 2024 and we are all talking about New Year's resolutions and what to do, you know, all these things we wanna like, we wanna, accomplish and do, if you really wanna get someone to do, do what you want, if you wanna try to persuade somebody to do something that you want them to do, you would tweak your technique based on this idea of loss aversion. So for example, if I said to you, Shawnee, come to the gym, you're gonna get really fit. Actually, it would be way more persuasive if I said to you, Shawnee, come to the gym. Or else you're gonna get really fat.

That would get me to the gym so much faster.

Right? If I said to you, Shawnee, come to the gym because, or else you're gonna get really fat by not doing this thing, that psychologically will make you do that thing so much easier and quicker than me talking about, oh, Shawnee, if you come to the gym, you're gonna get really strong, you're gonna get really fit, you know, and you are gonna feel great. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. You like that. You may, you may go, but you won't go as consistently and as quickly as if I told you of all this stuff. Like if I said, well, you're gonna get fat, you're not gonna look as good.

Your skin's gonna get bad.

You're gonna get bad. You're not, your mood, you're gonna have, you're gonna get, you're gonna get depressed. You're not gonna have a great mood. I, if I focus on all those things, you'll go way quicker.

You'll be alone forever. You'll be alone for, I didn't say that, but that would get me there fast.

Like, okay. And that's why that, that I was going through all these like negotiation techniques, like It says here, like in negotiation, individuals may be more motivated to make concessions to avoid perceived losses rather than gain something. So when negotiating, emphasizing what the other party may lose by not agreeing to the terms can be a much more powerful persuasion. Or customer retention. That's why subscription models crush. You see how everybody now are now doing subscription, every company. Every business are basically creating their businesses around these subscription models. And this is for the same reason, because they basically employ loss aversion by offering discounted rates for continued membership or reminding customers about the benefits they'll lose if they cancel.

That's so interesting.

And it's true. Like, if I think about all the subscriptions that I have, that I have, I never use, by the way, I never use any, like I use Netflix. I use— what else do I use? What else would I use?

I don't know what you subscribe to.

Very few do I actually use in subscription, right? But the idea of like me not having it and then I would be missing out on something that they have and then I won't have it. It's like kind of like FOMO.

It's FOMO. I was the entire time you've been talking, I'm thinking like, this is literally Gen Z FOMO marketing. That's the whole idea is like getting people to see that, like, they might miss out. That's the whole concept.

Because I see it is. It's what the idea— it's basically loss aversion technique. Is equivalent to FOMO. Because a lot of times when I don't go to an event or a party or something that I was invited to or should go to, the reason what makes me go is because of what I would be missing, not based on what I would be gaining. Like, I never think, oh, well, I'll see a lot of people that I haven't seen. I'll, I will talk to some great people. I'll socialize. You know, I'll have a couple of non-alcoholic drinks because I don't drink, I would think, oh my God, who would be there that I would not get a chance to meet? Or like, what am I missing? What's gonna happen? What drama will happen? Or what am I gonna be missing out on versus what I would be gaining? And if you really think about like why you do the things that you do, you'd notice that that's kind of what, why you're doing what you're doing a lot of the times.

Yeah.

So like these subscription models, like I was going through a bunch of them. Like all these, like, I don't know, even like vitamin supplement companies. I'm like, what if I run out of this thing and I'm not going to get it? Or I don't want to spend the $4 it's going to cost me to buy them singularly. I'd rather pay for it all year and save $0.67 on each bottle. Like, that's really what I think.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to think of like how clothes gets marketed to me because I'm a big shopper when it comes to clothes. By the way, in lieu of our last podcast before, my system, not resolution, is to purchase higher quality items and less cheap items. My way of doing that is limiting myself to like 1 to 2 items a month that are actually good quality pieces instead of like a lot of shopping. But I'm thinking when I'm being sold those things, I'm not necessarily buying it because I love the outfit. I'm buying it because I don't not want to look like the person wearing the outfit that I'm seeing wearing it. I'm like, I have to, I can't, I can't miss out on looking like that for a day. Do you know what I mean? Or for like a time, like it's just such a, there's like, it's like a thing of, it's crazy.

Scarcity.

It's so crazy.

It's a scarcity or lack of.

Yeah.

That is basically motivating your behavior versus what you'll gain from that behavior.

100%.

Like when, when a salesperson, and I, you know, and that's what I, that was what the meeting was really about. Like I was saying, like when someone sells me something, a really good salesperson, what they do really well is they embed in me all the things that I will lose or lose out on if I don't do the thing versus play up the positives. And that's when they get me every time, right?

Yeah. Yeah.

Like, oh, you know, like right now the membership, even at the fitness, you know, there's no initiation fee. Let's just say.

I was thinking there was a number of like, like class things that I wanted to like buy. I was like, oh, if I, and the deal and, and I had to stop myself cuz I thought, okay, save 10 or $15 a month, but if I sign up in 4 months, like, does that matter? $15, I'm gonna sign up now for $15. It's like crazy.

I'm gonna give you a great example.

I actually fought that. I fought that one, but they worked hard.

Oh, they almost got me. This is a really good example. And Noah, my husband, makes fun of me all the time about this. He says it's, it's girl math.

Yeah. Oh yeah. Girl math is the best. And I use it all the time.

Okay.

All the time.

Like for an example, Rakuten. Rakuten. I think it's called Rakuten, right? Like It's that app that, you know, you get back a percentage of money for every dollar you spend. Okay. So like, and it changes all the time based on the day, right? So like for an example, if I'm going to Bloomingdale's or if I'm shopping online at Bloomingdale's, you know, one day I would, I could save 2% on Rakuten or I get, or I get 2% of my money back or I'll get some days 10%. Something in my brain must be like flashing when I see the number going to 10% or 12%. I think 3. I'm like, oh my God, I'm gonna be making so much money. So I'll buy a bunch of stuff that I don't even need, like spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars on crap I don't need because I'm saving technically, even though I'm not saving, I'm making back 10% when really I'm not making a damn thing back. I'm just spending a lot of money and then I'll get a check in the mail for like 10% with it. It's just like so ridiculous. And that's why those companies are so good and they get you every time.

They really do. And their, their marketing, I always knew marketing did wonders on me, but even as a kid, my dad had an ad agency. He grew, he, I grew up learning about marketing tactics and not to be sold. And yet here I am sitting, buying everything. I'm like, oh, that's That's great. That's nice.

That works. You know, 100%.

You don't need 7 touchpoints with me. You could just get me on like one, one ad.

No, it's 100%. Like, people who are amazing marketers are really good at understanding human psychology and what makes a brain tick. So to me, like, those to me, like, marketers are the best psychologists in the world, bar none, because they know how to get your brain to act, to react, what you're gonna react to. They know what you're gonna do 20 steps before you even do it.

Yeah.

And so I, you know, I just want me, I, I guess this, the purpose of me talking about this is number one, if you are a marketer or if you are someone starting a business, understand what this loss aversion technique is. I think it's really helpful when you're trying to acquire customers. And if you're a customer and not someone who's starting a business, be mindful and cognizant that this is a really brilliant technique of what works and what you should be very aware of so you don't make, you know, silly decisions and choices. That's it.

100%. And also use this as motivation. Understand, like, if you're not motivating yourself with the positive that you're going to get from something, then motivate yourself with the negatives you're not going to get by not doing that thing, or you're going to get by not doing that thing. So if getting to the— if being fit doesn't get you to the gym, but potentially getting out of shape gets you to the gym, then use that. Use that fuel. If it's not making the money that gets you to your job or like inspires you, then maybe it's not having any money that gets you motivated, you know?

Well, I think everything is about that, right? It's about thinking of what will happen if you don't do it versus what happens if you do it. I think that's all that motivates. It works for me every time. Obviously it works on you, works on a lot of people. Just keep that idea in your head, that technique in your head, and let us know. Comment. Let— you know what, that's a great thing. Like, if you guys, if whoever's watching this, listening to this, Give me in comments some examples of where this action, this tactic worked on you, or where, or where you have used this tactic to help in your situation. I think I'm always fascinated by this stuff. This to me is super fascinating. So let me know, leave a comment and, uh, let me know.