Transcript of Meek PiDOGE, Deep State, Drones & Charlie Kirk | Donald Trump Jr. DSH #1008

You can't just fly over an airport without ATC, air traffic control, clearances, and stuff like that, and they're happening in mass. It's really odd. Yeah, we're here with Chuck Jr. Guys. We're at AmericaFest, and he was just talking about how it's grown so much, dude. Yeah, it was awesome. I don't know if they caught that part, but yeah, the first time we were here, it was 300 people. I guess we did it in Florida, and it was 300 people in a small room. We were like, That's actually a pretty big turnout for a political event, generally speaking.

Now, Just walking through that ballroom, it's just starting to get filled in. There's already 8,000 people in there. It's not even halfway full. They sold 20,000 tickets. I'm like, That's a movement. That's pretty cool. It's really cool to be a part of it. I got to ask about the drone stuff because I know you're on the board of directors of a drone company. What do you think is going on with these drones, man? It's interesting. I had a guy on my Rumble podcast yesterday that heads up the UAV stuff for the CIA and did that for years. No one actually seems to know. What's weird is we don't know where they're coming from. We're not tracking a point of origin. You hear all the different stories. You don't want to go conspiratorial, but after the last eight years, it's hard not to. It's a natural thing to do that. But this many, and you see the slowmo footage or the time-lapse footage of them flying over airports. I'm a licensed pilot. You can't just fly over an airport without ATC, air traffic control, clearances, and stuff like that, and they're happening in mass. It's really odd.

Yeah, we're here with Chuck Jr, guys. We're at AmericaFest, and he was just talking about It's grown so much, dude.

Yeah, it was awesome. I don't know if they caught that part. But yeah, the first time we were here, it was 300 people. I guess we did it in Florida, and it was 300 people in a small room. We were like, That's actually a pretty big turnout for a political event, generally speaking. Now, just walking through that ballroom, it's just starting to get filled in. There's already 8,000 people in there. It's not even halfway full. They sold 20,000 tickets. I'm like, That's a movement. That's pretty cool. It's really cool to be a part of it.

I got to ask about the drone stuff because I know you're on the board of directors of a drone company. What do you think is going on with these drones, man?

That's interesting. I had a guy on my Rumble podcast yesterday that heads up the UAV stuff for the CIA and did that for years. No one actually seems to know. What's weird is we don't know where they're coming from. We're not tracking a point of origin. You hear all the different stories. Again, you don't want to go conspiratorial, but after the last eight years, it's hard not to. It's a natural thing to do that. But this many, and you see the slowmo footage or the time-lapse footage of them flying over airports. I'm a You can't just fly over an airport without ATC, air traffic control, clearances and stuff like that, and they're happening in mass. It's really odd. Half of you makes you wonder if it's just a distraction from something else that they're hiding from these days. Yeah, trying to figure it all out is odd. When you hear the other pilots saying these things are doing things that other drones are not capable of, it's a little scary.

I've seen some crazy theories how it's scanning for potential weapons.

Yeah, I heard the one about missing plutonium that does It doesn't sound awesome. But when you think about all the stuff that went missing, all these warheads went missing in Ukraine whenever it was years ago, just totally unaccounted for. They could turn up anywhere. That's scary. But it is weird. It seems like it also dies off at 11 o'clock at night. If that's the case, you just keep searching. If they're looking for radioactive material, you probably wouldn't have a hard out. But the real weird one is that they can't seem to track them to a point of origin, or they're just not telling us, which also wouldn't surprise me.

Yeah, because they got to taken off from somewhere.

You think they'd be able to track it? Again, you have these shot systems in cities that just from echolocation, they can tell you where a gunshot happens to an almost exact point. If they can't tell us where a point of origin of a seven-foot diameter drone is coming off of, that seems odd to me.

Super strange. Pentagon just failed its seventh audit.

It's amazing that a government that will audit us at the IRS level for $601 transactions on Venmo, it seems to misplace trillions of dollars. I mean, it sucks. But you know what I'm super excited about, I think the next couple of years, Doge. Letting Elon go in there and just break down these systems, not even to go after it, but just exposing it to the American people. I think that's so fundamentally critical when people realize what we've been wasting money on. When we talk about being $35 trillion in debt, spending a trillion dollars a year just on the interest on that debt. That's money that we can't put into our schools. That's money we can't fix our roads. I go to some of these cities around the country, it feels like we're living in a third-world country, and yet we keep spending on nonsense. I just look forward to four years of transparency. Once the American public gets a grasp of, I think, what's been going on, I think we have such an opportunity to create real change. It's never going to happen in permanent Washington, right? It has to happen from the people, and we've watched that happen lately.

We saw that, frankly, with the CR in the last couple of days. Hey, social media is able to expose it. We see the nonsense that's in it, all the pork that's been stuffed in there that has nothing to do with the continuing resolution, but was just feeding the Washington beast, their friends, their allies, and their donors, exposing it. We went from 1,500 pages to 150 pages in 24 hours. Transparency is everything. Super excited about that.

Absolutely. You got them wanting 70K salary increase, right?

Yeah. You know what? I'm fine with giving people raises when they actually perform. But if they're the people overseeing the Pentagon and allowing them to fail seven audits in a row, allowing them to misplace $250 billion. I mean, $250 billion, a quarter of a trillion dollars misplaced at the Pentagon, and that's what we know of. Again, I'm sure that just went to Ukraine with the rest of the money that's been wasted and or stolen over there. So I'm fine giving a people a raise if they do something. How about balance the budget? Then we'll talk about a raise. Get something done. Don't just kick a can further down the road and hoping that you'll somehow get redemption by doing that. I'm all for a raise, but I think people have to actually earn a raise, not just get it because they're there.

Absolutely. Are you hearing all this Syria talk? What are you thinking about that?

You know what? As someone who, when I was young, was probably really hawkish and was like, Sure, America, we should go to I don't know that regime change has ever worked well. You could look at, Do we think it worked well in Iraq? That's not being a Sadam apologist. I think he was a terrible human being, a true bad guy. But is the reason Are they better off after he was displaced? The answer is no. Hundreds of thousands of people died because of these things. I'm never for these regime changes when we think we're doing great. It usually ends up being a total disaster. You could go back, obviously, Afghanistan in the '80s that created Osama bin Laden and ultimately Al Qaeda and all of these things. It never seems to work, and yet we continually push for it because there's no money in peace. There's only money in war. That's why it's amazing. When I'm watching Washington, left and right, chastise my president, Well, you can't just stop the death in Ukraine. There must be... Because a general, his board seat at Raytheon is the exit strategy. You get that by selling missiles. No one makes any money in Washington.

The Belway isn't taken care of if we're not permanently at war. That hasn't worked out well for the American people. The American people voted against it, I think, overwhelmingly. They're sick of it. I think that's probably one side most sides agree on, maybe the left a little bit more in Ukraine. I can't figure out why, but I think generally we want to stop that. And yet, I use the example, over the last, let's call it two and a half years, three years that we've been in At least in a proxy war with Ukraine, basically funding it to the tune of over $250 billion. I know there's another $60 billion in the last package on top of that. And that's probably where some of that misplaced $250 billion from the Pentagon. So let's call a half a trillion dollars, give or take. In the Ukraine, I'll watch Republicans like Mitch McDonald say it's the number one issue for Republicans across the country. I'm a guy that actually goes across the country. I speak to people. You have 300 people there, 5,000 people here, 10,000 people opening up for my father, whatever it may be. I've done a survey at every one of my major speeches.

I probably won't have to do it anymore because everyone in this room agrees with me, but I've done it now in front of over 150,000 people. Is Ukraine a top three issue for you, and is it a top 10 issue? So far, it's been a top three issue for exactly zero people. It was a top 10 issue for four people. The first guy, I asked him, I'll give him the mic, Why is it a top? Well, I'm from Kyiv, Ukraine. I was like, Well, I'm going to give you a pass. Second guy misunderstood the He thought it was a double negative, so it turns out he was actually on our side. The next guy was, I guess he was a board member at Raytheon, so of course, he wanted it. Another guy had done business there for 20 years. He was like, It's not really a top 10 issue, but it's like 10 and a half.

Yeah.

I've spoken in front of more people in the last two weeks than Mitch McDonald, real Americans, meaning in places, not Beltway people, than Mitch McDonald has in his entire 700-year career in the Senate. For Four people, basically, out of 150,000. I mean, that's very statistically significant. When we look at polling, polling is done with 1,500 people. I've done it with 100 exact. It's like four people, reallyNot even top three.Not even top three. It's not an issue, but that's what's crazy. There's such a misalignment between so many in DC and the people who actually put them there. Again, what I'm so excited about, I hope for in the next four years is that we just expose it. Again, you see what's going on now that X is a platform where both sides are actually heard. You can have opinions out there. You can get real information out there. If it's conservative opinion, it actually has a chance of breaking through that barrier that used to be put up with the censorship complex and everything that was going on there. I think that's so fundamentally critical because I just want Americans to understand what's going on. Washington thinks the average American is really stupid.

I don't. I actually believe that they get They understand. You saw after the election when people were like, Oh, my God. Who cares if you can't afford groceries? Three-year-olds aren't going to be able to decide for themselves without parental consent if they should go through gender-affirming care. I'm like, What is wrong with it? What is going on? They're so out of touch, and you see that in the media also. It's great to see the trust in media die. It's great to see the ratings die off. It's awesome to see independent media, just people having conversations, whether it's your podcast, whether it's mine, whether it's Charlie, whatever it is, you're having these long-form conversations. It's not a two-minute sound bite on your mainstream media where everyone's rushing in there to get the four things they had to hit, and no real depth or thought. They're just spewing talking points without it getting into any detail. As people start embracing that, they're getting more informed, and with that, they're putting a lot more pressure on their politicians to actually represent them.

Absolutely. Do you think Elon must save social media?

I think 100 %. I think he saved I think without that... And again, I'm a guy that's been on there for a long time. I had a pretty big following before we ever got into politics. We were from the TV show The Apprentice or whatever, and I always did my own. I was one of the early guys to talk about the censorship thing before people really saw what was going on. I'm like, Wait a second. The second I got into politics, I was getting, let's call it 5,000 retweets of posts. They're like, Well, what's different? I was like, Well, I got five. They're like, Well, that's the same. I go, No, five, single digit, five retweets. So I saw what was going on. I saw how biased it was. Started calling it out. Honestly, I think without it this last time, you wouldn't have gotten it. You saw it even in 2020. 100 Biden laptops, 17% of the public were like, and I know about God, I wouldn't have even voted for him. That's the difference between an election and not. Now, I'm glad it worked out this way, even though we went through four years of hell with the welfare and the nonsense and the continued lawsuits and all of that, because now we had a chance to start over with knowledge.

My father got into Washington, DC, in '16. His first night in the White House was his first night ever in Washington, DC. So it's like you're starting from scratch. You don't know anyone. You don't know who the guys you can trust are. There's so many people that have the R next to their name, and they're like, okay, they're going to do what we ask. It's not at all true. So now with that four-year hiatus, you saw who's trustworthy, you saw who's going to actually execute. You see who's going to stick around for you. And they will execute now on the mandate that my father was given by the American people. That, to me, is super critical. Had we just rolled over in 2020, the same guys kicking the can down the road. I think we have an opportunity to do something that's just fundamentally transformative to government, bringing the people into it. I think what Elon is doing with Doge on that is amazing. But I think without that, without X, True Social, these kinds of things, with that continued censorship that we saw from the other major social platforms, the real stuff, the real facts would have never gotten out there.

Absolutely. You saw with Kamala Harris, Tim Walsh, you're like, I mean, these didn't even seem like serious people to me at times. And by the way, the media even agreed with that six months before she took over in a coup. She went from like, This is the worst VP ever. She terrible at speaking to like, Look at how great it is. We get to have the first XYZ. It was insane. But because of the unbiased nature of it, and both sides were very present, but because both people got to see both sides of the story for the first time in a long I think they were able to actually come to a decision that made sense instead of a decision that was insane.

Absolutely. Because you had traditional media against you. You had the legal system against you. But the alternative media, I think, is what really saved you guys, right?

A hundred %. You saw it. You could see it wasn't even what happened there. It's what didn't happen there. When my father does three and a half hours on rogue and impromptu, people were like, Oh, wow. It was interesting listening to him, watching him go into the detail of stuff that happened in the Civil War and why that was like, Oh, there's a lot of depth here that you just couldn't see in conventional media. And then watching Kamala Harris have the opportunity to do it and also turn it down was equally telling because it's like there was no depth there. There was nothing beyond the teleprompted sound bites. I'm not saying she should have done it. It was probably the right decision for her not to do it. You think so? Because I think she would have failed miserably. You see the speeches, you see the interviews. She couldn't do 15 minutes, 20 minutes with Brett Baer asking the same questions that she'd been asked in the three other interviews that she did in the month prior. It's like nothing was a surprise. If you still don't have an answer to what you would have done differently in what was clearly a fairly failed administration with it, then what are you doing here?

If you can't do 15, 20 minutes with Brett Baer on Fox News, how are you going to do against Putin? How are you going to do against Xi? It was just very telling for me. I think it was very telling for the American people. They saw that and were like, Why can't she do this? She's been asked that question. She didn't do many interviews. She hid from that and just allowed the mainstream media narrative to create a caricature of her that didn't exist, that she was great and competent and so impressive. But every time she got behind a podium or got in an interview, even a non-hostile interview, she almost ended her political career on The View. Imagine being a leftist going on The View. It's like, How much more home team can it get than that? For real. She still couldn't get it right. I think everyone just saw that in front of them. We're like, Okay, we've come to our census.

Absolutely. How do you feel about the transition lately? There's been some weird stuff coming about Biden, right? How he's handling it.

Yeah, but I mean, well, now you're hearing what was the article today, Well, it turns out that Joe Biden was actually pretty senile, and AIDS had to try to spoon feed him basic answers, and we had to keep meetings to three or four minutes. I'm like, I've been saying this for a year. I've been saying this since... I mean, we ran against him in 20. There is something way off here. The fact that they hid that from the American people. These stories are coming out now, being honest about what's clearly some form of dementia or whatever it is. Everyone saw it. I got criticized, You're being ageist because I'm like, No, the guy is the President of the United States. He's in charge of the nuclear football. If American lives are in danger, he's the guy getting a call at 3 o'clock in the morning. He got lost on stage three times this week. Are you serious? Well, I didn't see that. No, not this week. I'm just saying over the last four years, it was like every week, I'd do a parody of him getting confused and lost on a stage. Everyone saw it.

You'd watch Joe Scarborough. This is actually the best Joe Biden's ever been in his career. I'm like, Really? Does anyone actually believe that? Watching that propaganda go out there was both scary, but I think important. I think, honestly, had they thrown him under the bus or earlier, maybe they could have gotten away with it. Maybe they could have gotten some other puppet candidate in there and perpetuated a lot of this. I think Americans do want to know who is actually running the country right now? It's not Joe Biden. I mean, Joe Biden did more campaign stops than him in Iowa during the primaries It's like, why is the first lady doing more campaign stops than the actual candidate? It doesn't make any sense. But I think the tell all books that will come out shortly as people from that administration start to do the grip thing are going to be pretty epic. I think it's going to be pretty scary when Americans figure out just how bad it actually was because it's probably worse than I even imagine, and I've probably been pretty vocal about it for quite some time.

You're on the inside. There's going to be some stories.

But we saw them all transpire. I got fact check on social media. I did one of those where he went and the crowd is that way, and he did a 180, and there's just a curtain. He's trying to shake hands with an imaginary person. I'm like, There he is. No, he wasn't shaking hands with something. He was pointing to the crowd. I go, The crowd was opposite. It's on TV. I'm supposed to not believe what my eyes are showing me. The desperation to try to cover up was pretty crazy, but still effective because the reality is for me, I do this every day now. There's a lot of Americans that are just... They have a hard time just feeding their families, trying to survive between the inflationary stuff, what I call the Biden-Harris cost of living crisis. It's become problematic for They don't have time to pay attention to it every day. If you're just listening to that mainstream narrative as your five minutes of news consumption today, maybe you don't realize it. But I think so much of that's changed. The lies have just gotten so bad that people are actually paying attention. I think that's really important.

People do need to pay attention to what's going on.

I mean, the lies are crazy. Why did it take three years to find out there's 26 undercover agents at the J6 rate? Yeah.

I said it early when I'm like, Well, it seems like they're opening the doors to people. Why won't they the videos? Because why won't they do all of these things? Why can't we just have transparency? If you want to go down the rabbit hole, it's like the alleged bomb at the RNC and DNC. Well, so why'd Secret Service pass by it a few times? It was never a problem with the bomb-snipping dogs. I've been to the Secret Service training program in, I guess, Maryland or Virginia. I've watched the dogs work. I actually got in a bite suit to see the attack dogs as well as the... There's no way they missed that unless it wasn't real or it was a setup or that was the backup plan. How did that story... If there was a bomb outside the DNC and the RNC, and the vice president-elect was at the DNC, why didn't that become a story? If it wasn't a backup plan for, Hey, we were able to instigate something else. That's a really big deal. A bomb outside the DNC, and it's like, gone. We don't want to get into the details. The video imagery gets reduced to a level that people can't really see the details anymore.

How is that possible? To the level of cameras from the '70s, that's not what those cameras were. Why can't we see that? Same with Russia, Russia, Russia. The phones of all the people that were working on it, we lost all the tax messages. You see what's going on with the January sixth committee now. You have members of those committees clearly witnessed tampering to try to get a result. At the time, I'm like, and I did 10 hours of congressional testimony on that one, too. I'm like, so you mean to tell me that there's someone that says that my father was able to and attempted to try to disarm two heavily armed young secret service agents to take over the beast and drive it down to see his support? Does anyone really... But that was the narrative. By the way, if he was able to do that, I'd actually be more impressed. If a 75-year-old guy at the time could beat the hell out of two heavily armed, well-trained secret service agents take over the presidential limo, and that's the thing so body-armored. It's not that easy to crawl over that. I'm like, Imagine actually believing that, but they sold it for months.

Now it turns out it's all one big lie. In the last CR, we can't have anyone to be compelled in Congress to testify about these things. You mean the people who represent us just get a clean pass. They can lie, they can manipulate that, and we're going to give them that pass in a continuing of resolution so that we can never actually find out the truth. That's scary stuff, man.

It makes you wonder if he lost.

It's a dystopian society.

No, it really makes you wonder if he would the truth have ever come out?

A hundred % no. I mean, I think that was their real hope. It's like, Hey, we can just bury them. I think they're still trying to do it. I mean, they tried to do it yesterday.

Christopher resigned. It's just weird timing.

Christopher Ray resigned the day. It's just all so convenient. All of these things. You talk about the first assassination attempt of my father. I know these guys well. A lot of the, let's call it the door kicker level guys at the Secret Service are awesome guys. I had a detail for four years. These will be friends for life. These are true patriots, great guys. But the fact that leadership would put a bunch of people that aren't trained, and then they put local guys, and then no one's on the same radio channels. There is no scenario imaginable where an armed shooter is known for 10 minutes and they still allow the presumptive nominee of the Republican Party to get on a stage. Then he's on a roof for multiple minutes, and no one knows. The roof happens to be inside 150 yards, and it's the high ground. This is history 101. You You always guard the high ground. You never seed the high ground. This is not something that those guys don't know, but that is clearly a leadership failure. I don't believe there's that level of coincidence. Then how many super radicalized 20-year-old kids, Sean, do you know that have zero social media footprint?

It's like they were radicalized out of thin air. I don't know any. I don't know anyone. I know you. This is the world in which we play. No digital footprint whatsoever. He just wanted to assassinate someone out of thin air, and then magically the body is cremated within hours. It's interesting. It's so implausible if you look at all of the facts of all of these things to not assume the worst. The conspiracy theorists have been batting, let's call it, virtually a thousand for the last few years. Sometimes it just takes a few months to realize it. The big one I always used in my some issues was like, of course, Wuhan virus started in Wuhan in a lab that studies the exact virus. If you said that, though, and you were in academia, or if you had a government grant, you were out.

Same with Lyme disease.

Of course. By the way, having had Lyme, it's brutal. When it comes back, because I lived in Connecticut and Bedford within 50 miles of Lyme, Connecticut, I grew up there. Of course it came there. It came from the lab that studies these biowe weapons over there. That's literally the closest access point across the Long Island Sound. From that, and it's like, of course that happened. It's happened so much and to such a great extent that it's important. It almost feels like addiction. You have to hit rock bottom before you can recover. I think we're getting to the point where Americans are realizing that we've hit rock bottom, that they're starting to pay attention, that they're watching for the signs. They're not just believing the lies that they're spoon-fed. They're actually questioning them. Once we question things, I think that's how we get to real answers.

You saw it with the election, it was a landslide. Were you shocked?

I wasn't shocked because I've been the guy that's been on the ground. This is my third time around. I think it had probably close to 100 events in October. 3, 4 a day for weeks on end, whatever it is. It felt so good on the ground, better than 16, better than 20. But after going through 20, I was like, I don't know. I just can't account for how bad they're going to You have some trauma. But it's true. By the way, so many people now realize that when they're like, How did Joe Biden get 80? You look at the way elections work, it's only 73 to 75, 76 to 74, 82. Joe Biden? He only outperformed in Philadelphia and Atlanta and Detroit and Milwaukee, these Democrat strongholds. He outperformed Barack Obama in '08, Joe Biden did with his history of racial divisiveness and all that. No one believes that credibly. You may be okay with the answer because you happen to be a leftist and you're like, I'll just take the win. But you can't be serious. I think when the people saw this one, they were like, Oh, yeah, that's right. It was because we actually finally ramped up a game to counter that stuff.

You saw how many lawsuits had to be filed to stop them from playing these games. We just didn't have that apparatus the first time around or in 20 because you didn't think you needed it. My 20s showed you how flagrant they'd be, and you had to actually be reactive to the insanity. For me, it felt so good from what I was seeing. It wasn't just the white dude in a Maga hat anymore. Now, it was literally, I think, per capita, not overall, but per capita, in the last three, four months of the election, I think I took more selfies with African-American men than anyone. And I was like, That hadn't happened before.

The vote change for African-American men, right?

African-american men was huge. More women, but not to the same as the men. Hispanics, the level that were coming up to be across the board. It wasn't what you expected, where it's just some blue collar, maybe former Democrat that turned, but it was a much less homogeneous, a much more diverse group of people who were like, Come out, you guys better get this done. Absolutely. Enough. We get it. We were wrong. We understand. It was cool to see. I felt really strong. But again, I just still had this thing. I saw what they did in '20. I understand how well they play the law fair game. I understand how much more heavily funded they are. I mean, the average congressional race, they're out spending us 5, 10 to 1. You look at the stuff in Act Blue, all the stuff coming out now is the foreign donations. One person donated 18,000 times in a 24-hour period. I don't think I could let alone enter information 18,000. There's so much shade that you had to overcome that in the back of my mind, as good as it felt, you're still like, I don't know, man, 50, 50.

But again, versus 16. 20 was an odd one because it was just people were there in COVID and whatever. It actually still felt pretty good. We actually did more votes in 20. But you just weren't going to overwhelm that machine with the mail and balloting and the games. When I hear stories from people, I know. I got 15 ballots to my house, or I got seven ballots to the house I used to live at. My neighbor or the guy that bought my house, four It's forwarded to me. I'm like, Well, there's not seven residents in that house. How'd they go there? I think we did a good job trying to be as reactive as possible. We just got to get a hold of this. Who wouldn't want actual free and fair elections? It doesn't seem that controversial when people We can't have ID. That's racist. I'm like, Is it or is saying that certain people can't actually figure out how to get ID? That seems more racist to me than actually requiring it.

You saw the state she won and the map of how it said no voter ID in that state.

It's literally Any state that required voter ID, I don't think she won.

It makes you wonder if they required ID, would he have won maybe almost every state?

Then you look at the way they were doing immigration. You were looking the way they were flying people into various states. It was always a red state. It was clearly trying to create an electoral shift. But you're not allowed to say that because if you say that, even if the facts back it up, even if it's pretty clear what they're doing, even if there's plenty of Democrats out there saying it, and even if some of these super blue states are out there saying, Of course, immigrants should be illegal immigrants should be able to vote. Then you combine that with the fact that even if you're illegal, you're counted in the census, which then sway the shift in weight of your congressional seats and which states get to do what. Of course, they're doing what they're doing. There's no other plausible explanation for it.

Absolutely. Do you think there should be some reform on the campaign financing side? I'm in Nevada. I feel like Sam Brown could have won with some more financing. Same with Kerry Lake in Arizona.

Yes, but it's more complicated than that. I think some of the stuff with campaign finance is insane. You know what I mean? When you look at just... And by the way, on both sides, where it's like, guys donate $100 billion to here to there. What I'd love to see on the campaign finance side is at a presidential level, These guys come all in here, spend a billion dollars and didn't win a single swing state. Over a billion dollars, and end up in debt. We spent about 350 million. How about this? Give everyone $300 million. See how they run a campaign, because you're going to have to country. Run it like a business. If you can outspend someone three to one, four to one, and still lose, what does that say about your leadership ability? How are you going to make deals? I'd love to say, Hey, a presidential gets this X, both sides get the same amount. A congressional gets a much less amount. Give them each $2 million. Have it fixed to cut that out and actually see how people perform. Because the reality is you see some of these people When you're spending 10 to 1, a moron can beat a great candidate if the guy just has funding from out of state and all these things.

It's really insane. So that's a big problem. Absolutely. It has to be resolved.

I can't wait for Maha, man. I'm a big RFK fan.

As am I. I'm the guy that negotiated that deal. Oh, yeah? Yeah. I saw what was happening. It was like he was running as a Democrat, and all of a sudden, they were... Then the second, it was like, Well, now he's an independent. You could see him boosting trying to split the Republican vote. Listen, I'm from New York City. I had a lot of Democrat friends, a buddy of mine, business partner, former Democrat. Omid Malik was best friends with Bobby's son, or really close friends with Bobby's son. He was like, Don, I know Bobby a long time. You guys would get along great. We're both in the outdoor stuff, and you started setting up some back channel conversations, just tight group. Because what they would do is if more people know, someone would leak it, and then the media would try to create the division. They'd figure out a narrative. They'd try to break it up so that alliance could never happen. I was like, as a father of five young kids, as a father who believes in a lot of these aspects of health and not a fan of some of the institutionalized way these decisions are made, both from the ag side in what's going into our foods as well as the four stuff on the big pharma side, I said, Let's start talking.

Let's figure this out. It was clearly, Hey, Bobby's... We got to the point, I was like, I like a lot of what you're saying. You're probably not going to win, and this is what's going to happen. Why don't we get together? The things that you actually care about, why don't we give you a seat at the table? Let's make that happen. We started having that conversation. I brought in Susie Wiles, my father, obviously. We sat down and just basically didn't tell anyone until it was announced.Wow..

So he was in the works for a while.Oh, yeah.

I probably worked it for a couple of months.Oh, wow.I spoke to his daughter-in-law for a while. Again, we got along great. At first, I was really skeptical because I was like, half of me is just the attack dog. If they're running against me, it's like, when you're hammer, everything's a nail. Even though I like a lot of what he was saying on the food side, I was like, Well, if it's still against us, it's against us. I got to fight. Once we started having that conversation, it was really fascinating. I was like, Man, this guy's going to do better than probably anyone else. My father would put it HHS or FDA or whatever it may be. My father agreed with that, too. We're like, Let's just Let's fight together and let's just take this back. What I love is... Same as Tulsi, by the way. Same friend, same thing. It was like, Hey, because they got former Democrat, former Hillary donor, saw the light, saw the nonsense, came on board, became a really good friend of mine late, I guess, 19, 20, and was just like, Hey, man, I have these friends. I think you'd actually get along with them great.

We just made that happen. I think when you look at the Republican Party, or let's call it the America First Party, really, now, Elon, former Democrat, doing an incredible job. Someone I'm like, I want him to take over, do Doge. You'll be awesome at it. I mean, that's one of the greatest minds of our era, and he's willing to do this. This is a great thing for America. Bobby on the Hillside, Tulsi, D&I, sorry. All the acronyms get me confused. These are people from different walks of life, different former political viewpoints, all coming together to fight for a common cause of America. That's awesome. It's great. When you look at the Democrat Party, it's the exact opposite. You could be 99% with them. But if you don't agree on, I don't know, men playing in women's sports, you're out. You're ostracized. I saw it with people like, When I realized I was one of the early guys in the men's and women's sports stuff, because I saw it, I have a daughter that's a great athlete. I'm like, This is nonsense. It was like 2017 when I first started speaking. Before, it was really a thing, but it happened a couple of times.

I was like, This is BS. This is insane. Even then, when she was very leftist Twitter, people would respond to me and they're like, Oh, I hate you so much, but you're right. I was like, This is a losing issue. But that trans mafia had the ability to create this thing. It was real, but no one actually cared, including people on the left. To see people who are incredible fighters for gay rights. Martina Navratilova, great female tennis player. She was doing the gay rights thing in the early '80s when it wasn't cool, when it was actually an effort, when you weren't a hero just for speaking your mind, it's a little different right now. She was one of the great female tennis players of all time, one of the great female athletes of all time. She was like, Yeah, men shouldn't be playing in women's sports. It was like 30 years of LBGT. Activism was just out the window and you're gone. You're just totally out. I'm like... Yeah, it's nuts. It was nuts. I think, again, exposing that was just a big part of all of this. I think it was huge. We're actually that party that's open to other ideas, open to diversity.

They talk about diversity, but it's only in skin color. Dei. It's DEI. It has nothing to do with diversity of thought. That's the only place where they want absolutely no diversity whatsoever. Yeah.

Cuban was driving me nuts on Twitter.

Dude, it's insane. I'm like, it's almost like there has to be a payoff there because no one can be that insane. Because he's smart.

Yeah, That was the weird part.

By the way, he lived in a Trump building for years. A lot. Yeah. It's like watching that shift, it's almost like there's got to be some… I don't know. Some ditty file on it. By the way, I'm not going to say that's the case, but it almost had to be something. It's like, imagine how few… You can't be that serious on some of these things. The campaigns were also so different. When you had Bobby going out there, you and talking for 45 minutes about health, no bullet points, no notes. It's like you have Cardi B or whoever it was, endorsing Kamala Harris. It's like, The prompter went out. Well, just tell us why you're here. You're here because you believe this, right? It was like, Okay, let me pull it up on my phone. I believe this because... Then you find out they were all paid. She got a million dollars. Millions of dollars. Then Oprah gets paid, what was it, $2 million? Then she lied about it. No, I wasn't paid directly. You have to listen to the word choice very clearly. She wasn't paid directly. No, it went to Harpo enterprises. Harpo is the anagram for Oprah.

It's her production company. Crazy. They're just willing to lie, and it's disgusting. I did a funny book a couple of years ago with my father. I have a publishing company just because so many of the big publishing houses would never publish conservative writers. I just said, Hey, we'll start a business and do this. I published a book for my father called Letters to Trump. It was all these people who basically became haters from the '80s on. He'd This stack from Oprah. Literally, Oprah wrote him a letter 15 years ago or whatever it was saying, One day, we should run for president. I'd be your VP. What a ticket that would be. Crazy. It's like, You don't hate my father. He used to hang out at Mar-a-Lago all the time. You talked about the Mar-a-Lago of turkey burger or something like that on your show for years. We literally, my family, I was on it. We did the last show of Oprah ever when she was on network television. It was our doing it. All of a sudden, she hates Trump, but it's just narrative and money. It makes you wonder when you see some of these people, all the celebrities that were coming out for Trump and started to do it, then the ditty stuff breaks, and all of a sudden, they were radio silent.

Then magically, they were endorsing Kabal Ars. They're like, Dude, there's something there because there's never that much smoke without some fire. It's almost impossible.

The M&M one hurt me.

By the way, I grew up listening to it, so I'm like, How did he become such a bitch. It's hard to believe. There's no way he actually believes these things.

That one shocked me, actually. Yeah.

It's like, I don't care anymore because I think we've shown the celebrity endorsement doesn't actually mean anything because it's When they're pushing something, when people are saying, I can't afford groceries, I can't afford gas, I don't really care what they have to say. We prove that. It didn't stop them from trying. But again, when I give stum speeches for my father, I don't get paid to do that. I go do it for my father because I believe in these things. I think it's important. When these people are like, Oh, yeah, I'll go do that for $5 million. I'm like, $5 million? When Americans can't afford groceries, by the way, you shouldn't not just only listen to that person's advice and just ignore it entirely. You should never listen to their music again if they're just profiteering off of that while Americans are suffering, and then artificially, simultaneously, trying to boost the candidate that was I'm literally in charge that allowed those conditions to take place that created the inflation. They're like, Well, when Kamala Harris is in charge, I'm like, Guys, she is in charge. She's the vice president of the United States. She's the number two person in charge.

By the way, she's probably or could have been the most powerful vice president in the history of America because Joe Biden's clearly not the guy doing it. He's clearly not there. He's clearly absentee. That seems like it would be a great opportunity for you to step in when you're like, We're going to do this on day one. I'm like, Why not do it now? Why wouldn't you start it? If you have these great ideas and they're going to fix things, why don't you do them even today? It may be lame duck, but get something done that makes sense. Not just a pork bill like CR, funding all sorts of ridiculous things, pay raises for Congress. That's not CR. Cr is like a push to later. That's permanent. They get the raise, it's never coming back down. We saw all these things. We're not going to prosecute people in Congress who may have broken laws, people who may have perjured themselves or manipulated witnesses. Don't we want to know that? We can't even compel their testimony. We can't even ask them about it. Crazy. When you look at Joe Biden pardoning pedophiles, why would you pardon a Chinese national with 47,000 images of infants in sexually compromised positions?

Why would you part at a Chinese national? Unless, of course, China has something on you or Hunter or another Biden that was profiteering from China. Why would you go soft on pedophiles? 8,000, whatever it was, pardons? Pedophiles, people who took advantage of cities financially to the tune of tens of millions of dollars just because they were a Democrat, It's like, these are not like, Hey, I think this person was unjustly criminally prosecuted. This is just clearly some pay-to-play scheme or a payback for something else or a way to cover up something else because it's so fraudulently abusive to me. It's scary.

Part in Hunter.What's that?He pardon Hunter.

Yeah. By the way, I was talking about that on my Rumbel podcast for... Of course, he's going to pardon Hunter. No,oh, no, he's not. He's literally said he's not going to do it. I'm like, Yeah, no. Because it wouldn't be politically expedient for him to do it right now, but he's going to wait until it doesn't matter. He either wins and does it or he loses it and does it. Of course, he was never going to do it. But watching the media be like, Oh, no, he said he's just trying to take that shit off the table. Of course, he... And by the way, as a father, I understand it. But the Biden DOJ did so much. When you actually talk about what Hunter really did, the way they led the statute of limitations expire on the real crimes, the foreign influence, it's like the gun charge was nonsense. It was real. If it was the Don Jr gun charge, I'd be in getbo right now. It was a crime, but it's in the grand scheme of the things that the Biden family was doing, the way they were profiteering. Grandchildren getting benefits from CCP-controlled entities.

We were actually international business people. That's what we did before we got into politics. We still do. But we had a track record of that. They became international business people the day he assumed the vice presidency. It's a little different. And yet... No, I wrote about it in my book when I did liberal privilege. It's just like, what after money laundering for Russian oligarchs? I'm like, I'm the guy that did 50 hours of congressional testimony for Russia, Russia, Russia. Hunter's money laundering the wife of the mayor of Moscow, the money, tied to human trafficking and sex trafficking rings, and everyone was like, Well, now it's a little different. I'm like, No, that's a real connection. You don't become the mayor of Moscow without Putin. You're trying to figure out a connection to me, to Putin. It's insanity. And yet I had to do 50 hours of congressional testimony for treason of crime punishable by death. Hunter gets a total pass and made millions on it. We're living in a bizarro world.

Madness. You've been under legal attack since '16.

Yeah. Then it got worse after '20 because then it became the business and then my father. Does anyone really believe January sixth was an insurrection at this point? No.

I did want to bring this up. You were one of the first, if not the first, to vouch for JD Vance. Yeah.

I got to know him early. I read his book, I think, I forget what year it was, but early, and I was like, Wow, I love this. It was just a great story. Just the story that he was to overcome, coming out of Appalachia and just incredible. When it came out of there, it was like, never a Trump. I was like, Oh, no. But what was great about it was he was one of the first people to just on his own be like, You know what? I was wrong about this. These policies are actually working. I got to know him before his Senate run. We became pretty good friends through with some other friends of mine. I did the pre-Trump endorsement, de facto Don Jr endorsement, and really worked that one hard. Other guys got involved. Tucker Carl is a guy. I was like, Man, this guy's smart. He's totally with us. Just gets it. He'll do a great job. So early, normally, you stay out of the Republican primary, let it fight them out. But you just see some of the special interests get in to support their chosen puppet candidate. I'm like, No, man, this guy could be a rock star in the Senate.

So I went all in on that. We won in the Senate race, spent a lot of time helping him out on that. And then in the Senate, he was just like, I was We need 50 JD Vances. We need 100 JD Vances in the Senate. But at the time, it was basically a 50/50 Senate. We're like, We need more JD Vances. He was so good that when it happened, I was like, This is the only one. Part of it for me was like, I don't want it to just be four years of Trump, and then we go back to the old ways. I want this to be a transformational presidency. He's the guy that can get it there. He's the guy that's not afraid of breaking those walls, and you need someone else who can then carry that. We didn't have America first bench. A couple of years ago, during the primary, before the primary started, I was a leader in the... I'm like, It's great. I appreciate it. It's a great compliment. But I'm like, I've never expressed an interest in actually running for office necessarily. You know what I mean? So it's like, I can't be at the bench.

You need someone who actually wants the day job, too. And so I saw that as someone who can definitely be one of the guys that could carry that towards her. I think other guys are starting to come out, but we had to just get rid of that stranglehold of these rhino Republicans had on the Senate and started slowly flipping. I think we did that with a Tim Sheehy and with a Bernie Moreno and these things this cycle. I think we have a great chance of cycling out some of those bad Republican senators that just cost us all these things. I went all in on JD, I think, with my dad for the VP thing. There were a lot of billionaires that had their chosen, and it was like, The guy's like,. I was like, No, you have no choice. It was funny. After that first debate, or the only debate with Tim Walsh, because I don't think Tim would have subjected to another thrashing like that. I was doing the spin room, and I was in there for two hours. You're going to do the media row, and you're just interview after interview after.

My phone's ringing in my pocket. I get out of this thing. It's like one in the morning, and it was my dad 12 times. I pick up the phone, he goes, You know, Dawn, I did that one for you, but that was a 10, Don. That was a 10. It's always like... Jd was crushing it on the Sunday shows when he was just handing it to these that are used to... The Republican just accepts the Democrat narrative like, Okay, fine. January sixth was an insurrection. But he didn't do that. He took the fight to them. He just beat him to death with facts. Just destroyed him. The debate was the final... There were a lot of Republicans that came up to me. Some of that big, I was so mad at you for pushing that because I thought XYZ would be the guy. They were like, And I was totally wrong. That was me.Was it you?That was me. That was you? Who was your guy?

I don't know. I just For me, I wasn't as involved in politics, so I didn't even know who he was. He wasn't a front runner.

Yeah. There were a lot of guys that did know. But again, they had their guy. I also want to make sure it's not like... I don't want the just the simple, the billionaire class controlling their puppet it, it's to do whatever they want. It was like, there's a guy, independent thinker, created businesses, came out of serious hardship growing up to become not just a successful businessman. He went to Yale after going to the Marine Corps. Not as like, okay, I went to Yale, and I'm going to do my obligatory stint somewhere. It's just an amazing story. And so I was like, I don't think I have any political capital with my father for the next 75 years because I went so hard on it. It created some headaches, and there were a lot of people pissed off about it. But I think now I've been totally vindicated.

Yeah, I love him, man. Tom Holman is one of my favorite guys in the hires, man. I can't wait till he gets in action.

It's needed. He's going to be great. He's been a good friend for a long time. It's what you need. You need guys that just have the balls to actually do these things. It's what America? When you see these things, especially in those border states and everything like that, it's a plurality of America. It's not like it's a close issue. There's a lot of people that want this, much more than 50 %, and it's like, We got to do it. I mean, think about the stats, Sean. 600,000 criminals allowed into the country. This is from the US government stats. They know they're criminals, and they let them in anyway. 13,000 murderers. Who would let a murder into a country? 16,000 rapists and sex offenders. They know the numbers, and they're telling us, and they let them in anyway. I'm like, Fine. Some work or whatever, it may be fine. You let a couple of people in. I got some of it. You know the guy committed murder, and you're like, Nothing we can do. We need to pad the fucking voting block. It's insane. It's so frustrating. Madness. Yeah, I mean, 16,000 sex offenders. It's nuts.

I heard him on Tucker Carlson saying 12 million confirmed illegal immigrants in the country.

I bet it's more. Imagine how many they don't know. What about the terrorists? If they caught 75, whatever it is, terrorist, imagine how many got in. They're more sophisticated than someone that's spending their life savings having a coyote drive them across. I mean, these are people that are tied to that are well-funded. If they caught 75, imagine how many they just didn't catch because they were able to get in through more sophisticated means. Imagine how many of those cells are forming around the country, and they just allowed it to happen. It's literally If you invoke this proverbial Manchurian candidate, if you look at the Democrat policies of the last four years and you were to say, If you were an enemy of America and you had control of America, what would you do differently to destroy America? What would you do differently than say, Democrat policy over the last four years? The answer is nothing. You literally do nothing. It's literally hard to believe they could represent any Americans given the insanity of the policies. It's so scary. Hopefully, that all changes. We got to get after it. Hopefully, it's not just four years. It's going to be 12 years.

I hope so. I think that's the need because it takes time to implement the changes.

Yeah, everything takes time. I think my father's the perfect sledgehammer to break down this stuff, Elon being involved, to expose it to the American people, to break it down, and then you need people that can then run with it and continue that. You can't just have... You saw how quickly Joe Biden just thousands of executive orders in two minutes, undo everything. Then even last week, trying to sell off the remaining parts of the border wall that were paid for. Why? You know the American people gave a mandate. You're just going to keep letting them in because, again, it's not about being good to immigrants. It's about changing voting demographics and voting blocks in various states.

Yeah, and like you said earlier, that's probably not even Biden doing that stuff.

He doesn't know what's going to... Come Come on. If Joe Biden pulled up in an Uber, Sean, are you getting in it? No. No, you're not. You wouldn't let Joe Biden run a convenience store. I don't think anyone actually believes he's running the country. We'd like to know who is. I'd like to know who is because they're certainly not elected officials. Again, that's scary. Exposing that deep state, it's very real, it's very aggressive. When you look at all the coincidences, when you look at all the conspiracy theories that have proven to be true, there's no other plausible explanation than to say that that's obviously happening. I think that's why they were fine with Kamala Harris. She didn't need to be competent because they were still making the decisions.

Absolutely. You saw the FBI got caught editing crime statistics?

Yeah, of course. Or they'd conveniently release them after a primary or after an election, or they'd go back and edit it. But that's no different than the job numbers. When they went with the job numbers or the economic statistics, they'd look at this glowing report. Next cycle, well, it's been adjusted down. You showed me something that's good. The adjusted number, which was real was really bad, but that's on page 37 on the back page. You're literally lying to the American public. It's one thing if you get it wrong once, if you're revising the statistics down to a really bad number from what was a decent number or even a good number, it's so much. It's six, seven point swings. It's crazy. There's no way they don't know that. They just don't care.

No one's held accountable for that. No one gets arrested. No accountability. No one gets arrested. Nothing.

No lawsuits. That's why I've gotten some grief from the mainstream media for it. I was like, Expand the press room. Get guys like you. Let them have a seating there. Please. Let Rogan be in there. The New York Times has been a propagandist for the Democrat Party for years. You look at the stuff that they lie about, same with a lot of that mainstream media. If they're only functioning as the marketing arm of the Democrat Party, then just because you've been there a long time doesn't mean you get to keep that seat. It's like members of Congress. They get to be in charge of committees they know nothing about because they're prestigious and they've been there a long time, as opposed to having someone who knows what they're talking about actually on those committees. The press briefing room should be it. Open it up to everyone who's actually credible, who has a following, who has an audience. Let people have that real information, not where something's told there, and then it's filtered through the lens of that mainstream media, which is doing literally the bidding just again of one side.

They would get way more views if they did that, too.

Oh, 100%.

Msnbc is struggling, ABC is struggling.

They're all struggling.

They're not pulling numbers like Theovon is, like Joe Rogan.

Not even close. It's And the numbers are down 40% from where they were a year ago. It's like people get it. Why is someone with one 100 the following of someone else, why do they get the front row seat? The other guy's not even allowed in the room. Why is it only the left wing? You may not agree with everything that Brightpart says, but the guy only gets in the room once in a while? Why? Expand it. Let 10 times more people in there. Hold people accountable. Don't just give that legacy media that front row and the only people that get to ask questions because they haven't earned that right anymore. They've proven, frankly, that they don't deserve that right at all based on what they've done and what's been demonstrably proven to be all of the lies that they peddled. Absolutely.

Donald, it's been fun. Where can people find your podcast and keep up with you?

Yeah, I'm on Rumbl, my triggered podcast. I do a couple of days a week on their Mondays and Thursdays at 6:00 PM. They can check me out there. Obviously, on the usual social platforms, Twitter, Truth, Insta, all over the place. You can probably find me if you look, at least on X. I won't be banned anymore, but there was a time where I'd show up on maybe page 20 of the search algorithm for my exact handle. So hopefully, some of that's changing for the better. But yeah, check it out. I appreciate it, man. Good to be with you, Sean.

Thanks for a moment.Yeah. See you. See you, guys.

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