Transcript of How I Built a 15K Client Empire (No Funding) | Ace Rogers DSH #1007

One thing at gambling, no one sits down at a table with any rules. First rule is, what can you lose and what do you want to make? You know what you can lose, you hit that, you lose. Now, the only exception is that, out of 10 times, I'll say 2-3 times, I'll let you chase. It means go back to the cage, get some more money, and fire some more bullets. I found a few of those times, if I didn't chase, I wouldn't have got my money back. I think with every rule, there has to be exceptions, but if your exception is, I'm going back to the cage 10 times, that's not very smart.

All right, guys, we're here in Vegas, and you represent well, coming up with the Louis suitcase. Thanks for coming on, man.

Yeah, always got a hard case.

Full of cash? . You're big on gambling, so that makes sense. Which hotel you like gambling at out here?

Whatever one lets me. Now I'm back allowed into all of them. So I like the Aria, Cosmo, Wyn.

Got it. So you were banned for a little bit?

I was banned for about six years. Damn. They finally called me up and said I could come back.

That's a long time. Yeah. Did they tell you why?

I got caught structuring. Basically, I knew how to take money from them. I didn't take maybe 30 grand a day, but I would cash out. You don't have to show ID if you show chips for 3,000 or less. So if you go, you have three or four friends, and you make 30 grand, you go make two trips, maybe one at 10:00 AM, go back at 3:00 PM, you can cash out all 30 grand without showing ID, because I don't want to be tracked because I know I'm winning. You do that five to seven times a week. How much money is that? Right? Right. Now you do that over a few months, four, five, six, seven months. Ended up taking 1.2 million from the Ario, which isn't a lot for them over six months. But the thing is they knew that I was structuring. They don't like you bending the rules. Once they know that, they're like, okay, you're structuring. And I got greedy. I went back a second time in line and said, you know what? I'm going to be smart and not use this three grand. I'm going to cash out now. They They asked me for ID, and that's when they had me.

They went back, and this is the guy who's been structuring for six months. They canceled me, cut me out, and kicked me out. And then six years later, they called me back, said, I can come back.

There we go. What was your game to make all that? Was it one game? Blackjack.

I'm Blackjack, sports, horses, auto racing, and that's it. Okay, so a few games. Yeah, football, basketball, sports, horse racing, and blackjack.

Horse racing? Wow. You know your stuff.

Yeah, I'm thinking one of the best.

Have you always been into gambling?

Yeah, forever, since I was 13.

And were you profitable at first, or did it take some time to build a-No, I wasn't.

At first, I was not profitable. I would lose, but you learn the game over time. And then I got really good at it, realized I could beat Blackjack, I can beat sports, and I just kept going with it and making my bets bigger and bigger.

Interesting. And have you had to adjust the strategy or it's been pretty consistent throughout?

It's pretty consistent overall. My own Black Jack strategy, I only play six deck, I only play by myself. Quite frankly, I don't play against female Asian dealers People are like, Well, that's weird. Well, go to the casino and go tell me what nationality most of the dealers are. Go, they're all Asian and they're all female. And then if you walk to an Asian female and her name is One or Win, what are you What are you fucking doing here? Your name's One. I don't even know anyone named One or Win. It's like, I'm fucking out of here, man. You're a fucking assassin. I am not fucking playing against you. And then you place so many hands, you realize that... You know that nice old white guy over there, man, He seems to be a lot easier to beat than this freaking lady. I just feel that Asian people have something magical with the cards.

So you feel like the dealer actually matters?

A hundred %. Chip count, dealer, pit boss, number of people at table. I only I have six deck. I play very fast, very hard, large amounts. I don't sit down in the chair for the most part, and I play big and fast, and I leave.

Wow. So you're standing?

Yeah, because I'm going to pay four or five hands, 10 grand a piece, unless I front them a million and then they'll let me pay I want 20 grand a hand. Other than that, playing 10 grand, maybe five, six, seven, eight rounds, and I'm out.

Similar to Dana White's strategy, then. Yep.

Just go big, go hard, try to make a bunch of money and go.

That makes sense. Yeah, I see the Asians in the background room, too.

Always. They're everywhere in the casino. That's the thing, is there's something about them with the cards.

They love that money. They love that back rat. I'm surprised you don't play back rat.

I don't. My boy is Mickey Mason. I know he loves that game, so I don't want him to teach me how to play. I know dealer bank or something. I don't want to know. I really don't want to know how to play because it just seems too easy.

It is pretty mindless. You just pick one side.

Yeah, and I just don't think that's the game for me. It's a game for him, but Blackjack is my game. We have different strategies. We were just talking the other day on my yacht, and He's like, You can't win your strategy. I'm like, No, I actually win with my strategy. I see your point. The probability doesn't really factor into my thing because I'm playing so hard and so fast so quickly that I'm not really falling into the probability of the game over a long period of Yeah, I want to talk about the yacht, actually.

It's a Lamborghini yacht, which I didn't even know they made.

Yeah, they just started a few years ago. It's basically the only... There's two in the country. This is the first custom spec out one. It's in San Diego. It's a Blue Elios, and I got it about a year ago.

Wow. Why did you decide to When did you buy one?

I'm one of Lamborghini's best customers. So when they offered me one, I just said, I'll take it. Went down to Italy, spec it out. It's 4.5 million cash, paid them, and they had it ready about a year later. Damn.

So you bought a bunch of Lambo's prior?

Yeah, I have a Live Ristrado, I have a Rivalto. I've had the SVJ. I've had six or seven Urus. I got Urus Perfamante's. You name it. Lamborghini's made it. I've basically bought it.

Damn. And you made all that money from gambling?

I'm a serial entrepreneur. I own five tech companies. I own a retail store called Aspen Doghouse, and I'm also a professional gambler. The gambling has funded all that. So my companies, as I've been told, are very rare because we have no funding, we have no board of directors. It's just I've infused gambling money into my companies. I have a good strategy of making a shit ton of money gambling, and then I funnel it into service-based recurring revenue businesses off digital marketing. So I offer them a service, and I get paid monthly on that service. The main company is called Dr Multimedia. We have 15,000 private practice doctors that pay us every month for digital marketing, whether it's their website, their social media, their blogging, their video, their pictures, their SEO, their pay-per-click ads, all the eight different social medias they have. We want to write content for them, so they'll pay us monthly. We keep their website up, we keep their email up, We do their tech support. I'll show them texting services for their clients, software for their patients, and their customer service software, things like that. We can help them get reviews online, things like that.

We can help them I'm getting rid of negative views. So all that is based around digital marketing for private practice doctors, and it's niched out. So once I take my money gambling, I'll throw it into my company. That will obviously create a bigger pile there, service-based recurring revenue. I was able to take that money, gamble more, and now I've got a pile going back and forth of millions of dollars a month on each side.

Nice. You got a very good discipline, it sounds like.

Yeah, you have to be disciplined. One thing at gambling, no one sits down at a table with any rules. The first rule is what can you lose and what do you want to make? You have to know, you have to have a goal. There's a third one. It's like, how much time can you spend here? But that doesn't matter for me. But if you know what you're going to make, that way you hit that, you leave. You know what you can lose, you hit that, you lose. Now, the only exception is that, out of 10 times I'll say 2-3 times, I'll let you chase. It means go back to the cage, get some more money, and fire some more bullets. Because if you chase all 10 times, that's not a system. You're just going to go chase, go back to the ATM, and go back to the cage to get more money. But I found that you have to stick to those most of the time. Know what you're going to win, know what you want to lose, and then two or three times, I'll allow you, and you have to pick those times because you're pissed, you lost.

I'm going back to get more money. I found a few of those times, if I didn't chase, I I wouldn't have got my money back. So I think with every rule, there has to be exceptions. But if your exception is I'm going back to the cage 10 times, that's not very smart. But a couple of times out of that 10, you can go back to the cage, get some more money, and you'll be glad you did a lot of the time. Those are my rules for gambling. Know what you want to make and know what you can lose for Blackjack.

And speaking of rules, what do you think about the book in blackjack?

I think the only place you can get the book is in the fucking casino. So if it's in the casino, gift shop, guess who's pumping it to you? I play the exact The opposite of that strategy. The exact opposite of that strategy.

That's crazy because isn't it statistically one of the best strategies, though?

Statistically, over a long period of time on a six-deck shoe, I would say yes. But look at what people are doing. They're playing 5, 10, 20 $100 a hand. I won't even touch those chips. They're bad luck. So I'm betting so big. It's just basically me and you flip a coin, let's go. Let's not go over time. Maybe it'd be 50/50, right? If you keep flipping a coin, technically, it It would go closer to 50 %. But if it's just me and you right now, and we do four or five flips, guarantee someone gets four or one, something like that. So that's where I come in. I'm going to bet big and bet hard. So I'm taking myself out of the probability and the ratio.

I love that. Yeah, because you're in and out quick, like you said. You're probably done within 10 minutes. Always, yeah.

Wow.

You mentioned luck earlier. How much of that do you factor in?

Luck is pretty important. I got to say, I've always been just naturally lucky, knock on wood. So for me, I think luck is a big part of it. Some people are just naturally unlucky. I can sense their energy a mile away. And for me, I've always been a very fucking lucky person, so that's part of it. But a lot of his skill and having fucking huge balls being like, I'm not scared to fire. I'm not scared to take my bets. I'm not scared to fire any amount of money.

I'll theorize this about your luck because I believe in karma, and I know you are pretty giving. I've seen you tip 10K to valets. I've seen you give away Rolexes. So I think that actually helps your gambling, personally.

I'm appeasing the gambling gods when I do that. I don't fucking litter. Guess why? I got a fucking $300,000 on this game, and let's say I just threw something out my window. I'm probably going to fucking lose that bet. It's the way I see about it because that's not a smart thing to do. I'm not saying litter if you don't gamble. I'm just saying I try to appease the gambling gods because whether it's karma or religion or you believe in Jesus or whatever, there's some higher power. I don't know. Nothing can be created from fucking nothing. So something created this. I don't know if it's a Big Bang Theory, but what created that? Something created this, and whatever that higher power is, I believe being a good person, taking care of animals, and giving will say, Hey, I have to be good in your eyes because sometimes I'm a complete fucking dick in an asshole. So I might be well-deserved in those fucking situations where I'm a fucking dick in an asshole. But for the most part, I believe whoever the fucking higher power is or wherever karma is, they know this motherfucker is a good fucking guy, so I'm going to back him.

But it's like Wolverine. Nicest guy I ever meet, bring the fucking claws out. Well, now someone's got to die. But at the end of the day, we all think Wolverine is a fucking good dude. Just leave him with the fuck alone and don't piss him off.

100 %. You have a soft spot for animals. Yeah, absolutely. You got a three-legged dog, right?

Yeah, I've had several. One just passed away a few months ago, and I always take Cary Aspen. I didn't bring him here this time. He's back at home with his mom.

Wow. What made you so passionate about that, you think?

I saw the relationship my roommate had in college with his dog, and I always wanted that. And you'll find I'm Indian descent, like red dot, not feather. And a lot of us don't grow up with dogs. Someone told me that, it is weird. So once I got my first dog, I just couldn't stop. I always have four or five dogs at a time. They're usually all rescues. I've only had a couple of pure breeds in my life. I'd like to adopt. I don't like to shop. And I think that's also a big part of my luck because whatever, like I said, that higher power is, I'm taking care of fucking animals that can't take care themselves, and I give them really good lives. So that should bring me some fucking luck in my opinion.

Yeah, I'm with you on that. I grew up in an Asian household, and I had a bag for a dog, and she never gave me one. So as soon as I moved out, I got one, and it's been life-changing.

It's the best thing. Best thing. If you've never loved a dog, I don't really want to know you. If you tell people, Oh, it's just a dog. Fuck you, dude. It's not just a fucking dog. I've got a kid. I love my fucking dog, and I love my fucking kid. Don't fucking tell me I have to fucking love an animal less than my fucking child. I love them both fucking equally. I have a lot of love to give. So animals are just always going to be a part of my life. And by passing that down, you'll be able to pass that down onto your children. They'll be animal lovers, and that's fucking huge because that makes for good people.

They're so healing, man.

A lot of people who fucking... You don't need a therapist. You need a fucking dog. Trust me. Get a fucking dog. Dogs are therapy.

100 %. I had terrible anxiety before my dogs. Now I don't have any. Literally none.

That's awesome. Yeah. My dogs are fucking everything. They just accept you for who you are. Yep.

You come home, no matter what day you had, they're still the same.

I say some guys can leave their girlfriend for fucking 15 minutes, and all of a sudden, they come, not mine, but they leave their girlfriends for 15 minutes. You come in, Where the fuck were you? Leave your dog alone for 15 minutes. Come back.

Oh, you're back. That's fucking beautiful. I love that. Yeah, I think I might rescue my next one, dude, because my first two were breeders, but I think there's a lot more fulfillment in rescues.

I think the ones that get rescued, fucking no. They know when you save them. That car ride home with that dog. That dog knows you saved it, and the bond you have with that dog is unlike anyone I've ever had. And I've literally taken a dog home with one of my friends, knowing that if anything ever happened to me, and I thought this before I got the dog, I'm going to make sure he rides in my boy's lap on the way home. Him and that dog always had a special, special relationship. But I was thinking ahead of time, I'm going to make sure he's in your lap so he doesn't really know. So He's going to think you rescued him. But then they had such a special relationship. I knew if anything ever happened to me, he would take Josiah.

I love him, man. That's powerful. You mentioned you had a kid. You have a daughter, right? Yeah.

Her name is Delilah Blue.

Do you plan on teaching her all this?

Yeah, absolutely. I'm going to teach her everything I know. I think School's not important, but I'm not going to let school fuck up my kid. If anyone's going to fuck up my kid, it's going to be me. I figured I'm going to teach for everything I know, right or wrong.

Yeah, no public school for my kids, too. Oh, no way.

That's the worst thing ever. They just teach how to be good employees, man. I want someone in business I want someone who can think for themselves and just a good person. There's some aspects of school that are positive, but for the most part, I think wealthy and rich people are going to homeschool more and more and more.

A hundred %. Did you struggle working for other people at first?

Yeah, man. I always say I've never had a job. I've had four jobs. They've all lasted five minutes. I just walked the fuck out.

What jobs were they?

I had the job where you clean up the cars in a parking lot for a grocery store. I had that job for two weeks. You know why? Because the first day they gave me the job, I went fucking home, and I came back, and I clocked out. Two weeks later, they finally called my name in the parking lot to come in like, Hey, where are you? And Then they realized I had not been there for two weeks. It took them that long? Yeah, it's two weeks. I never pushed one fucking cart. And then like, Hey, you don't really work here, do I? No, I just go home. Every time I clock in, I just go home. I come back, I clock out four hours later. I don't push one fucking I had that job for two weeks, but I never fucking showed up.

That's a depressing job, especially out here in Vegas with the heat. Oh, yeah. I feel bad for those kids. Man. Yeah, but they don't know better. They really don't. No, it's just how it goes.

But I think working for some people, it's not for fucking me, especially as you know, in this day and age, if you can't fucking figure out how to make a couple of bucks with your fucking cell phone, some technology, some Internet, I don't know. Everyone, even someone of average intelligence has all the skills he needs to easily make six 6 figures a year. Like, easily. Because you know, 6 figures is not fucking hard. It's really just effort. If you put some effort into the digital world, it's near impossible not to make $100,000 a year. Yeah. Fucking impossible.

I think people are aiming too low for $100,000 A year these days.

Oh, it's not even real money. My dog can live on that for fucking two months.

Yeah. When you factor in everything, $100,000 goes... When you got kids, that's not a lot.

It's nothing. And I don't think I can have enough money. I'm always going to use it. If you really utilizing it the right way, you're doing so much for the world and expanding this base you have with people and animals and children and other people in your circle and your employees that, I don't know, you have to keep making more and more money because now you have so many people dependent on you and you want them to live well. So if I don't fucking make more and more money every year, what's that going to mean for them? That means they're not getting raises. It means they're not going to be able to buy new cars. They're not going to be able to send their kids to the school they want and take vacations and have a good life and live a high quality of life. So I think money for me is, I always mention it all the fucking time. It's my number one thing. I love fucking money. I said it on Bradley's podcast. If money had a dick, I'd fucking suck it. And I'm not fucking gay.

I love that. I can see why you have five companies now. You're really passionate about changing lives.

Yeah, you have to be. First, I wasn't. I remember my buddy AK, he lived with me. He was one of my first business partners. We lived together and he moved out. And I'm like, Shit, I have to pay you now? I paid him basically nothing. I'm like, This is never going to end. And it hasn't ended. I still pay him, but luckily, I pay him very well. And at that point, I didn't really want to take care of anyone. I was like, Hey, give me five leashes, and I'll be homeless. I'll fucking make it fine. But now I really love taking care of people, knowing, put it all on me, your financial problems. If you know me, you will not have any fucking financial problems.

I love that. What's your comeback when people say you're materialistic?

I like nice shit, but I also fucking give more than you do. So Why can't I have nice shit, buy nice shit, have a Lamborghini Yat, and also give away eight figures a year? I can have the best of both worlds. I think that's called America. So if it's just one thing, Hey, look at all the stuff I got. I don't base my fucking happiness on fucking Lamborghini I'm not going to eat yachts. I base my happiness on fucking love and fucking animals. Take all that shit away. Give me my fucking dog and my kid and my fucking girl. I can get everything back again. I can lose it all, and I can get it all back in easily. But what I can't get back is my girl, my daughter, and my dogs. So I fucking base my happiness and love. But I'm usually not talking like that to most people. I'm usually just money, money, money, money. So I show them all the shine. I don't show them the grind. But if you really know me, I would trade it all for those two people and those dogs.

So you just put on that for social media, you're saying?

More or less, yeah. Social media is always... It's either like food on there, sex or fucking money. That's all anyone fucking cares about. I've put out fucking posts where I adopted this dog, or I donated $10,000 this fucking shelter. Fucking gets no fucking views. It gets no fucking play. And I've run a lot of different sorts of social media and fucking online presences. And I noticed if I put something fucking, some scandal out online, fucking 300,000 fucking views. So people want to see that shit. But if me giving money away I was like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They'll just say, Oh, you could have gave that. Oh, you know, they're just going to waste the money. So it's like, just what are you supposed to do at that point?

Yeah. You see that with Mr. B. He had to start giving less because he used to give a million a video, but no one gave a shit.

Right. No. I'm not trying to be Jimmy Darts, you know what I mean? But at the same time is, I guarantee that guy's getting sponsored. I bet he's making a pretty penny off it now. Garren fucking deed, as he should. You know what I mean? But there's only so many people that want to see that, like you give away. And I'm I give a lot, but also 99 % of my giving doesn't have a camera on it, and nor do I care for it to have a fucking camera on it. So I really should document more of it so people could see all the giving that I do. But that's just not my thing. I'm not trying to... Because if I go up to a homeless person, and every now and then I'll do it every now and then, but now without thinking, I'm putting them on blast for my own fucking gain. Why did I put someone... If I'm going to give something, I'm going to go tell you I'm going to do this and then not show you the person I'm going to give it to, because then I feel like I'm exploiting them for fucking my benefit.

That's true. Yeah. They could have someone they know watching the video that doesn't even know they're homeless. Yeah.

It's just not fucking fair. I don't want to do that. So I just give selflessly without a need for any media attention.

Yeah. It's the game we play as content creators. I feel the same way you do. I'll have on a billionaire, a bright person gets no views, but you have on someone flashy, like a Mickey Mace, gets tens of millions of views.

People see what they want to see. Social media is a fucked up fucking business.

Yeah, it is. Have you gambled with Mickey? Yeah. Black Jack?

Black Jack. He plays Blacker. He's supposed to come out here soon.

Nice. You guys should duck to film that. They'll go borrow. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Do the casinos let you film?

No. When you gamble? No, you have to be very discreet about filming. I do not like to film. And now that I'm allowed back into them, I'm not trying to play any fucking games. Same thing he does. It's just like, real quick.

Snap a quick photo.

Yeah. Why is this happening? And then you just look around. But now that I'm allowed back in, I'm not trying to play any fucking games with them. So I have enough problems in casinos as it is when I walk in, so I just don't need anymore.

Yeah. I mean, you stand out when you walk in with this and your shirt. I mean...

Oh, yeah. When you walk in this and you fucking-Holy crap. And You go to a casino, man, and I'm just going to play. Someone in every casino every fucking day has to come up to talk to me. They're like, Hey, what's all the cash about? And I'm just like, Bro, we're in a fucking casino. Okay? And this isn't the fucking Circus Circus. This is the What fucking are you high limit? It's just some fucking money I need to play. And this is the way I play. I don't want markers. I don't like markers because now I'm borrowing and I don't play on credit. I play on fucking cash. And you can see it. So when you see it, it's totally different than wiring into a fucking casino. Now all of a sudden, you've wired in and they give you chips. Chips are fucking just as bad, man. It's like, they're just chips. Here you go. Boom. You don't see them as money.

You don't think about it.

No. Same reason people are like, why don't you gamble online? You could place all these bets online. Okay, great. Let's say I put $200,000 on Alabama. They just beat fucking Georgia. I had that. I went 250 grand off that game. I placed that bet on the MGM app. Okay, Sunday. And that's all I wanted to do. That was my game. I picked it out. I fucking nailed it. I won my money for the week. One game, we're out of here. We're collecting. See you next week. Sunday morning comes around. You know I'm putting 20, 30 grand on a fucking NFL game at 10:00 AM because it's not big deal. If I lose it, no big deal. I got a couple of hundred grand coming. I'm not going to care. I lose it, I'm fucking I want my 30 grand back. 1:00 PM, another 30 fucking grand. What's at 5:00 PM? Sunday night fucking football. Now I got fucking 60 grand on a fucking game. Now I'm down 120 on my 250. Monday night football comes around. I've got another fucking 220 $25,000 on the fucking game. Now I'm going to be down 100 all because of that shit, because of an app.

So that's why I don't do it like that, because I physically have to go and place my fucking bets. So I collect my money and I leave. So I'm not going to go to the casino I'm not going to put a $20,000, $30,000 bet in. I'm not going to let's waste my fucking time. So betting on the app, it's just a balance. So that balance, it's just a number. I'm going to sooner or later, I'm a degenerate gambler. It's just like every fucking gambler. Next thing you know, Tuesday comes around and I'm just like, why didn't I just fucking... I had a plan. Bet Alabama, take my money and fucking run. That was my fucking plan. Then 20, 30 goes into 60, 60 to 120. Now you got to put a big fucking bet on Monday night fucking football. I always say the biggest idiot is the guy who has the most money on the Super Bowl.

Sean Perry.

Yeah. It's just like, what? It's just a fucking isolated game. Now I switch it for me because Super Bowl is a game that will take seven figures from me on. If I try to bet seven figures on a fucking NFL game this weekend, they won't let me do it. But on Super Bowl, they will take almost any bet. One of my larger bets usually is on the National Championship game in college and football, and then also the Kentucky Derby, because these are three events that you can bet basically almost any amount of money you want to. But if you just show up to a casino on a Tuesday to bet the Milwaukee Bucks, you'll be lucky if they take 50 grand.

Because you'll affect the line at that point, right? A hundred %.

With a million bucks. You'd be surprised. Yeah, not on the Super Bowl. But And people, they think like 100 grand doesn't affect the line. It absolutely fucking does. I've bet 10 grand on the halftime lines at the MGM on a football game. It moves a half point right away. Wow. Just 10 measly grand. I'm like, how little is everyone fucking I'm betting here. And I know because I bet horses. So when I'm at Del Mar and I'm betting the horses and they show you the pools, and I know how much I bet, and I say, I put 100 grand there, and then the horse goes off with $160,000 on it. I'm like, Jesus. 160 grand, man. I bet 100 of it. That's nuts. That's like, I'm one of the biggest. I just tell you, I know now I'm one of the biggest gamblers because 160 grand is mine. So when I see a line move, I know how little it takes to move the line. Fifty grand, they'll move at a half point.

How big is the horse betting market? I don't know many people betting in that space.

A lot of people don't bet big on horses. It's not really a thing. There's only so many big races that you can really bet on. So for me, it's big for me because it's pool betting. It's like poker. They'll take as much money as you want because the house gets 17 % of the rake, the track.

Damn, that's a lot.

If I bet 100 grand, they're getting 17 grand. Wow. And that goes into a wind pool. So my 83 grand is going to get split among its wing pool. On everyone else's money. So they don't mind how much. They don't care how much you bet. You bet a million dollars. But if you bet too much, you start affecting the odds where you're betting against yourself.

Do you sell your pics?

No. For me, for the most part, if someone's selling pics, they're not a fucking real gambler. Why would I give you my information? What does Google sell information? It's the most important... It's the biggest commodity in the world, information. So when people are selling pics, I'm really suspect of that. If I give away my pick, let's say, to a thousand people online, They all bet it, even if there's little baby bets, you're going to fucking fuck up my line. Why would I give you my information and fuck up my own line? Most of those handicapers don't have the balls to bet their own pics. I used to sell my pics a long time ago. I would never give anyone my information anymore. You're too big now. Yeah, no way. I'm betting too much money. I'm not going to give you my pick. My information is everything. You move the line on me a half point because you're going to get my information. No way.

It doesn't make sense. You can make more just betting your own money.

Exactly. So why wouldn't they? Because they're fucking not. They just want to sell you a pick. And a lot of times they're selling half of the pick to one side and half to the other. I've seen that. And I know some really good handicappers that I would buy pics from, that I actually do buy pics from. I bought pics from one guy for fucking ever. He's really good. But I know he doesn't have the balls to bet like me. That's why he won't. He's much more risk averse. Me, I'm like, I don't give a fuck about risk. So the handicappers like that that are good, there are a few of them, but they don't have the balls to bet their picks.

They're a needle in a haystack, though. Yeah, exactly. The guys you're seeing buying ads are all just-It's just a fucking scam. It's a fucking scam. It gets a bad rep of your space.

Oh, horrible. Gambling is a bad... That's why I don't go in that market, because you Once you lose a couple of picks, Oh, you suck. You suck. Man, I can go 0 and 100 on my picks. I will bet my 101st pick without any... I'm not taking any information from anyone. I know I'm that good, but I can go on a bad run.

Have you gone on some pretty nasty ones?

Yeah, I've gone on some bad runs. I'm good enough where I never get hurt too bad because I can sense out a bad run. So I'm not going to feed into a bad run. I'm going to shy away from it and try to fucking weather out a storm. But when I'm on a good run, that's when you're going to fucking bet more.

What's the best run you've had?

The most I've done in a year is 40 million gambling. Holy crap. I'll average anywhere from 10 million to 40 million a year on gambling. But there's been about three years, I'd say three years in the last maybe 20 that I haven't won, that I broke even or lost a little bit.

That's still really good, though. 17 out of 20 winning years. That's amazing.

That's phenomenal.

Most people won't even admit they had a losing year. So I appreciate To be honest with your honesty.

No, absolutely. I lose. I always tell people I fucking lose, but I obviously win way more than I lose. And then obviously online, I post my winning tickets. Why don't you post your losers? Why would I fucking do that? Why would I post that? You don't think I lose? Of course, I'm just going to post my winners. But if you see my lifestyle from 2016 on my Instagram, and you see we started out with BMW i8s, and now you see what we're driving now, how much money we have now. You've seen the come up for the last eight years. You can't say that I'm not making money gambling. It would be stupid for you to say that. I used to bet $300 on Blackjack. I bet two $300 bets. One was to pay my direct TV bill and maybe the gas bill that came in, and the other $300 is where we could go get dinner at Prime Steakhouse in Blodjiel, and I'd be pumped. 600 Yes, man. 600 bucks. Now I tip fucking 600 bucks on a five for a meal. So that's how it works. Now we're just betting a lot more. The numbers are a lot bigger.

Humble beginnings, man. Wow. Were your parents pretty successful or what were they doing?

My mom was a special education teacher, and my dad was a textile chemist. We were very middle class to below middle class.

I could see why you're giving now with your mom being a special Ed teacher.

Yeah, of course. She had an accent as well, so she couldn't... She had Coming from India, she had an accent, so they wouldn't let her teach regular public school because you know why your kid getting taught English by someone with an accent. I could understand that one. So she had to get a special degree to teach special education kids because it's the only job she could have in the public school system. Wow.

So where do you learn the business side of things, though?

I always think the best fucking businessmen are fucking drug dealers. What an answer. I sold a bunch of fucking weed. I got busted in Vegas I forgot how many years ago I got busted. Henderson got me, North Las Vegas, Las Vegas, FBI, DEA.

Damn, you were moving volume.

Yeah, they were. But they got me with three pounds because I knew they were on me, so I fronted it all out. So they raided my house. They only found three pounds. And for all you professional criminals out there, which I no longer am, you never do two felonies at once. So most of the times when you're dealing that much weight, there's always going to be guns involved. Always. Because you got to need protection. I never have any guns. So I knew I just got a bunch of weed. So my felony was three fucking pounds. I did 90 days probation.

Damn. That's not bad at all.

Expunged. And then my lawyer said, you can go back to just dealing again. I'm like, No, It means to end because I was starting my digital marketing companies at the time because I couldn't meet anybody because I was stealing so much weight. So I was always paranoid. If I meet somebody, you're a cop. You're getting robbed. You're a cop. Yeah, you're going to get me. So I'd be isolated. While I was isolated, I was always online, learning how All the skills that I have now to run a social media or digital marketing company, I was learning online because I was just by myself all the time. And I was starting this one sports site called Point Guard U for Arizona Basketball. And I learned all my digital marketing skills. So once I got busted, I said, all right, I need something else besides gambling because I can't deal weed anymore. So I got a couple of doctors for Dr. Multimedia, and I realized how good I was at promoting them online and how many patients I got them. Next thing I know, I take a clinic from 2.8 million a year, a veterinary hospital to 4.2 million in fucking less than a year.

I just made you guys 1.4 million. And I know all this traffic is mine because I drew them in with certain groupons and certain specials in this and that and certain incentives that I know that these are all new clients. Like, your new client special is mine. This is how you got all these new customers. So then I said, okay, if I can do this for you, I can do this for a lot more. Now, fast forward to 15,000 private practice doctors a month, a doctor multimedia.

Holy crops. You're scale to that level.

Which is very difficult to do. Anyone can start a digital marketing agency. Try scaling it self-funded to $15,000, $15,000 private practice clients. And now we have Jet Digital. That has a couple of thousand clients. We have LocalClicks. That's just It does social media marketing as far as pay-per-click ads. We run all your PPC ads for your social media, your Google ads, your Facebook, whatever you want. So that does pay-per-click. We also have legal multimedia, which is now just for lawyers. And then I have Aspen's Doghouse, which is a retail store for just dogs, high-end. The stuff you get at our dog store, and it's just dogs, you can't get in PetSmart. It's the highest quality of stuff. You're not getting Purina and pedigree in my fucking job. You're getting high-quality food. When you get it in my store, it's going to be fresh. It's going to be the best stuff your dog can get. It's going to be the stuff I would give to my dog. The highest quality leash, collars, bowls, you name it there. And then I do the professional gambling as well, a little bit of real estate and just a serial entrepreneur.Beautiful, dude.

Yeah, the pet stuff is no joke. I switched my dogs to raw diet. They're way healthier enough. It's night and day. It just makes sense, man. Kibble is so bad for dogs.

It's horrible. If you could see how that shit was made, you wouldn't fucking feed it to your dogs.

No shot. People don't even think about the bowls you mentioned, but those are shit quality, too.

A hundred %. No, I just got this new toy, and it's working really well. It's a smart dog toy, and it barks at your dog, and it spins around automatically. It keeps them so fucking engaged.

I I need that because I got a herd dog. I got an Australian Shepherd. Yeah.

So he has a ton of energy. Yeah. Yeah. Those are very smart dogs. Very smart. Very intelligent, a lot of energy. And you're a guy. You got to be working. So you need a dog walk There's some way to take that energy out of the dog.

Yeah. I'm a fan of smart dogs. I don't like the dumb ones, like the little ones the girls have.

They're all cats.

Basically, yeah.

More or less. I like big dogs. Unfortunately, all my dogs are pretty fucking dumb. We don't win any awards in my house. Like, literally, I got two dogs. They're just Harry and Lloyd from Dumb & Dumber, man. Fucking, you get these two together, it's nothing but trouble, man. They think they got these smart ideas, and they just go looking for fucking trouble. But no, I like big dogs. I like big ones, yeah. I think a dog should be able to protect you for the most part. However, I've got a little heart for small dogs now a little bit. I've known a few of them, and they've grown on me. But for me, I always get big dogs.

Okay. I just think the small ones are so annoying.

Oh, 100 %. Fishing and whining, crying.

Yeah. You bring yours on the flights with you or no?

Absolutely. I don't go anywhere without my dog. One time you'll see me without my dog, just because I was taking a quick trip into Vegas. I wanted to come do this podcast and I'm flying back out. But we'll take the PJ back here on Monday.

Nice. Did you gamble out here this trip?

Absolutely. That's all I do. I basically stay up all night and fucking gamble.

Sure? I thought you were in and out.

I am, but I'm in and out, but there's certain games, and I'll go back and forth. I have a condo here. So I'll go to here. I'll go eat here. The restaurants are open late. So Blackjack, I'll go in and out. But it doesn't mean I won't do fucking like six or seven sessions of that 10 minutes during the night. That makes sense. And every now and then, a session does get to an hour or two.

Yeah, because if you lose three in a row, you got to make it back.

Exactly. So I'll just go back to my condo. I don't drink. I'll go get a bar, go get a fucking orange juice, relax. I'll start handicapping games. And then also when I'm saying I'm gambling all night, when I'm watching a sports game and it starts at 8:00 PM, like Arizona will start, I think I know, you know these? Arizona starts tomorrow, I think at 8:00 PM, that's going to go to 11:00, 11:30. So me, I'm still gambling.

You watch the full game? Yeah.

It's like research. Got to watch the teams. I have certain teams that I love to watch, and you learn.

Do you have a good control on your emotions during the game?

A hundred %. You'll never know if I lost, but you'll know if I fucking lost. I love that.

Yeah, That's hilarious. Some people do not have good emotional control.

You don't want to be around those people.

You could see it. They start drinking, and they start going off the rails.

No. Who would want to be around that person? You lose some money, and all of a sudden, people can't be around you. Now, I always say, if I lose, we're going out, and if I win, we're really fucking going. What difference does it fucking make? The amount of money I lose, like what's going out spending 5, 10, 15, 20, fucking grand, it's not going to make a difference anymore. And if I win, it's definitely not going to make a difference.

Have you always been sober?

No. I actually I've had a really bad stint with alcohol. The last couple of years, I just got out of rehab a month and a half ago. I did two months in rehab over in San Diego. Didn't really tell anyone, but now I'm fucking proud of it. And plus, I'm the man everyone should fucking want to be anyway. So people want to hear the fucking struggle. I'm not perfect. I was getting drunk off my mind for the last two fucking years. I wasn't the dad I should have been. I wasn't the fiance I should have been. I wasn't the businessman I should have been. Luckily, I'm so hyper intelligent that I could maintain really well. And then now finding out being sober as I am now that I really wasn't maintaining. I really wasn't. We're just making so much money that there's no fucking problems. No one's fucking broke. We still got-You're comfortable. Yeah, exactly. And I found it pretty common amongst CEOs. Once you have everything in life, that drive goes the way you get complacent, you fucking get comfortable. And I've got that thing back. I've got it all back. And now I know I needed that a little bit, where I was in the basement of Rock Bottom, and And I was in a really bad place with my family, with my friends.

It affected every relationship. And I've been sober for fucking over four months, and it's the best thing that ever happened.

Wow. Appreciate the openness, man. Yeah. A lot of people would not share that. How did you re-spark that fire?

Fucking, it's amazing what that alcohol does to you, man. It totally killed it. And now knowing that I did take two years off of my potential, knowing my potential is fucking better than most its best defense potential. I feel like I fucking need to make up for that fucking time. That lost time. Sure, I have everything. But if I had stayed the course, I'd be a lot closer to a billionaire than I am now. That's something I want to strive to just for what I can do for animals, the world, the people around me. And if I get there, I get there. But I'm well on my way there now, especially as being as sober as I am. Oh, yeah.

I love that. When did you realize your intelligence was different?

I think in Seventh grade when I got kicked out a junior high for calling it a bomb threat. What? I called it a bomb threat. That wasn't fucking smart. I was trying to study for a test. I figured if I could shut down the school, I could read the whole textbook. Oh, my God. Asian parents, man, they put that fucking pressure on you. I was fucking strung out on my grades. So I called in a bomb threat. They didn't close down school, but they came to my house and got me. Because I was scared of this pop test, so I wanted school closed. Wow. I got kicked out of school. My mom took me, and then I got kicked out of junior high around ninth grade. I got kicked out of high school in fucking 11th grade, and my mom took me to take the GED. I took the GED, I got my GED. I never graduated from high school. And I go, Mom, I could have passed that in sixth fucking grade. That's when I realized, damn, my intelligence level at a younger age was smarter than everybody's. And why I'm getting in trouble all the time because you can't put people like me in a fucking box in a school system.

You're going to rebel. It doesn't make sense. Now I know I'm the most successful person from the class of my high school class, and I never graduated from it.

Probably the whole school in general.

Yeah, 100 %. Not just the class. It's not even fucking close.

No, but that's relatable because I thought I was dumb because of school. I was getting shit grades, and I was Asian, and you know how strict Asians are. So my whole life I was like, wow, why am I stupid? But that's not actual intelligence.

No, not at all. School makes good employees, man.

Yeah, you're just a robot. If you're getting straight A's and getting a job.

If I had to do it all over again, I'm going to business when I was an 18 years old and fucking fall in my face four or five times till I fucking figure it out. Simple as that. This shit didn't work out for you as soon as you started. No. I started a pod five years ago.

It failed.

Right. Ups and downs. Then you learned everything. And now no one can stop you because you know so much about this. Now it's on a repeat. They can't take that from you. It's the experience.

Plus the connections and the networking. I've really focused on that. I'm sure you have as well. A hundred %. I'm sure while you're gambling, you're probably meeting some cool people in the high living room.

Yeah, you do. You meet some high rollers, some people at your level. And then you meet these guys, and nobody really wants anything from each other. We all have... We have our own, so we can use that to help each other to multiply in all our resources, our connection. Everyone has. I have a guy for everything, and so do they. So it's really hard to stop us when you have a guy for everything.

Yeah, you're one degree from probably anyone you need. Yeah.

The first thing I did here, actually, your guy is like, Hey, let me put you on this WhatsApp group, connecting everyone right away. And that's an invaluable resource to have.

Yeah. Every single guest that's been on the show is in one shot, and you're not allowed to promote your own shit in there. So we only help each other. That's really cool. Yeah. I hate when people are just promoting their own shit.

Why? No, I didn't give you. That's just so disrespectful.

Yeah, for real. The lack of respect for people. People don't even pick up on that shit. That's what blows my mind.

Common sense and common courtesy are not very common.

That's what I realized. When you go up with money, I notice it's more common than those people.

Right. Maybe you have some class and some etiquette. People without money, usually, you can't take someone from fucking Red Lobster to fucking Delilah.

Yeah. Everything's handed for them, so they don't know better. No. That's not real life, though.

No, I'd rather work and earn for it, especially if you're a guy.

Yeah, I would actually hate just being given money when I was growing up. It would ruin you. It would destroy me.

And when you don't have it, you look at everyone else who has it, and you're fucking jealous of them. And you're like, fucking shit. I wish I had it like that. But not Knowing not having money is one of the best things. You have to learn how to fucking make it.

Most successful people, I'd say over 80 %, have no money or little money, grew up in a rough environment.

I think they say, I don't know, 80, 90 % of fucking millionaires are all self-made. Yeah, I've seen that. It's all the poor people who want to say you have a trust fund. Now, think about it. How many people do you really know the trust fund? How many do you know?

Not many. Thank you.

So where are they all? I know one person with a fucking trust fund. It's just not how it works. You usually go out and make your fucking money.

Absolutely. Ace, it's been awesome, man. Where can people find you?

Keep up with you. Ace Rogers CEO on Instagram. No D in the Rogers. Ace Rogers CEO on Instagram. Boom.

We'll link below. Thanks for coming on, man. Any fucking time.

Thanks for having me, man. Yeah. Thanks for watching, guys.

See you next time.

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