Transcript of Victor Marx: The Man Who Weaponized Faith. | Candace Ep 329 New

All right, ladies and gentlemen, get locked in. I have a good one for you. I told you about this yesterday. There's a lot to unpack, and I think it could provide a lot of answers to some lingering questions that we have. I am very honored to welcome Corby Hall, The Candace Owens Show.

Well, alrighty then.

That's how you do it. That if you don't take the glasses off, then no one's gonna— no one's gonna believe you. People do the glasses so that people know you mean business.

Aren't we waiting on somebody?

No, we are not waiting on anybody. He's not coming. Victor does not want to sit across from you, which I thought— Victor Marx— it would be a good idea to have you all here because I can't contest anything he says. I am not the Fold AR, uh, company, and I did not have these conversations with him. Uh, but it's okay because I'm actually happy to have just you. I do think that if he was here, he would dominate the conversation. Um, everything that I learned about Victor Marx, I learned against my will. I want my audience— I want to be very upfront about where I'm at on this conversation, why I was so drawn to your story, um, and why I believe they will be so drawn to your story. I think, uh, we are at a very interesting place in America where we know we are being sort of abused by the media. We know that they're lying to us about everything. There's, for me, the world before Charlie Kirk died and the world after Charlie Kirk died. And it seems like there's been an increase in this sort of, I don't know, like a tactic to make us think that we're the crazy ones when nothing is making sense.

And when I read your story, and learned about Victor Marx, there were so many themes that were coming up here. This idea of the pastor, this idea of you can't question this because the Lord has willed this. This is what we're all feeling right now, like faith has been used to manipulate the masses and actually to maybe cover up for evil. So I want you to know that when we have this conversation, I will interject and put my opinion. As always, it does not need to become your opinion. Feel free to say, "Candace, I don't believe that. That sounds crazy. That could be a conspiracy." Um, or say, I plead the fifth. You could just say that you want to stay mom.

Yeah, sure, man.

But I wanted to give you a chance because I know that Victor Marx has a following, you do not, and he has been instantly right out of the gate saying that you are a crazy person, which is one of their favorite tactics. Everybody who disagrees with me is an insane person. So who actually are you, Corby Hall?

Well, I own a company called FoldAR. I've got the patent on the most compact AR-15 in the world, and our mission is school resource officers. And, uh, so it's, it's been a long journey. This isn't something that just popped up overnight, you know. This has been a 20-year journey for me. And, uh, you know, we've done really well in the marketplace for, for the size of the company and, and, um, the amount of resources that were available to us. You know, I just got back from ISOF So that was the big, you know, you've, you've kind of made it. Um, jumping over that bar was, was exhilarating to say the least. And that's Special Forces operators from around the world. I got to shake hands with a lot of IDF and, and, uh, all other kind of Special Forces came out and shot my weapon systems and loved it. So it was an honor. You know, this is Old AR, the brand itself, has been here since 2018.

Okay.

And we're a small company out in the sticks, East Texas, and just a few employees, and we make a few thousand rifles a year. And yeah, it's, you know, it's, it's the most compact, but it's also a caliber swap. You know, push one pin, barrel system comes off. You can change your calibers, your barrel lengths. Push the pin back in, and you're ready to go with another caliber.

And we're, we're not gonna tell people back at home how you just had to slowly explain to me the very basic functions of a gun. We're not gonna tell them that.

No, let's not tell them that.

I knew everything. Yeah. Yeah.

She knows it all.

I know it all. So I did just get a nice crash course. It, it's a very interesting product. You could see why you would have special forces interested in that product, and Something that I think jumped at my audience in general when it came to the Fold AR was the idea of a pastor. I know now he says he's not a pastor, but his website certainly did say he was a pastor at some point, uh, being interested in this product. So I, I'd just love to hear about how you met Victor Marx.

Well, uh, or late November of '23, my wife was showing me some of the Instagram posts that he was making, and he was demoing compact weapon systems. And it was like, it was kind of framed around, you know, Victor's looking for the most versatile compact weapon system that's out there. That, um, and I don't think he announced it as he was looking for a signature series at the time, but nonetheless, she had me message him And he responded right away and invited us up to his house in Colorado Springs. So we drove from East Texas to Colorado Springs on, uh, I think December 1st. And, um, what year? 23.

Okay.

Yeah. And so we got there and there was a, there was quite a few people there. There's, I think there was probably around 20, 15 to 20 people there. Some family, some friends, some security guys. And, uh, all really nice people. Everybody was really kind to us and, uh, we got to meet all of them individually and talk to all of them. Um, so we went into the dojo house where it's like a karate mat and kind of wide open space. And I was demonstrating it, you know, pulling it out of the backpack and deploying it and teaching some of the people that were there. How to deploy it.

This sounds like a pretty big property.

It's not that big. I would say, I would say like 4 to 5 acres maybe.

Okay. So 5-acre property.

Mm-hmm.

Okay. And, but they're doing gun demos just in a studio where he does dojo, did you say?

Yeah. Yeah. So just a studio area at first.

Okay.

And so we, we did that for an hour, and it was mostly discussion, of course.

And so we're not deploying it and shooting it at that point, but, um, you know, the other people that were just people, friends, not in the industry whatsoever, just like local friends of theirs.

I don't know if they were all local, um, but nonetheless, everybody treated it— everybody was really nice.

Okay.

So, um, after that portion of it, we went out to the gun range, which was, uh, just a 25-yard range that was at the back of the property. And it had like timber framing around it and it's kind of dug into the ground. So they got to shoot right there and deploy and, and, uh, so everybody got their rounds and, and we got pictures and, uh, my wife got to shoot the gun and with Victor, and she was excited about that. Got some pictures. And anyways, I, you know, I kind of stay back, like I don't put myself in the middle of everything. And so I show everybody what to do, make sure everybody's safe. We got— you've got, uh, security type former military people there. Everybody knows I shoot a gun, and I'm just kind of sitting back at my vehicle, which is parked at the back, and And Victor comes up to me, he's like, first thing he said was, you know, not the first thing of the whole meeting, but first, first thing he said in this moment was, you know, I don't really meet too many people that are at the pinnacle of their industry.

And to me, I don't take overt compliments very well. And that was really the first time that anybody significant had said anything like that to me. 'Cause I'm still very small company, almost invisible in the industry, even though I'm well known in the, in the industry, but in the general marketplace, kind of invisible. And so I, when I heard that, I was like, okay, finally somebody gets it. Like, I'm not trying to get a badge of honor here, but that was, that was nice after 18 or 17 years of work at that point.

Wow.

And, uh, so he said, well, you know, I've got some signature series that I'm looking at with, uh, he named off a few different companies and, you know, bigger companies. I get, but this one's the only one that makes sense. And for me, I already know what my weapon system is, so validation doesn't really mean anything to me from other people. But, um, it was again a reaffirmation that somebody gets it. And we had already had conversations you know, back at the, at the Doja House, whatever you call that, um, about our mission with going on the backs of school resource officers. And, and, uh, well, it wasn't our mission at that point in time, but it was brought up as a topic. And, and we had sold quite a few to school resource officers, but again, it wasn't, it wasn't so much You know, our, our mission wasn't established until we left the Marxists, and I'll walk you through that. So when we walked in, well, so we get done with the shooting at the range, and we've already, at this point, we've been there for like 4 or 5 hours. So they invite us into their house.

and it's, uh, it's getting dusk, I suppose. Um, and, you know, Victor opens the door and my wife goes in, and as he's going in, he says, you know, everybody has been talking, and we've noticed too, me and Aileen have noticed that, you know, you and your wife just have a, like, a unique connection that is unusual. Like, you're finishing each other's sentences, you're talking to multiple people and like automatically know where the other one left off and you fill in the gap. And, and the way you look at each other and, you know, it just, that was normal for us. Like, we were already 3 years in the relationship and we, we had little thing where we called, you know, twin flames. And, and, uh, you know, it was natural to us. And so we had this other thing, you know, 11:11, and not into all the angel numbers, but, you know, that was our thing, our, our unique connection. And, you know, he opens the door and he's, and he's, and he says, you know, I feel the hand of God on y'all. Or God's favor. I feel God's favor on y'all, and y'all are about— I, you know, he's telling me that you are about to come into an abundance as we're walking into the house.

And so, you know, I haven't worked in on this for so long up to that point. There's been a lot of instances where people have told me like, oh, this is about to take off, you're about to make all this money and get all this attention so many times over the years. And so that was one of those moments where inside it didn't sit well with me hearing that, but on the outside it was like, hey, maybe this is it, because he already understands, like that's already clicked. So that started off the entry to the house. We go in, we sit down in the living room on the couch, and, um, we just having casual conversation and talking about the history of, of what I've been through to make it this far. And, you know, it's just getting deeper and deeper. And, you know, they ask us about, well, first they're, you know, this is when they make the comment about the connection. You know, we're sitting there on the couch. Makes a comment about me and my wife's connection and says, well, aren't y'all married? Well, y'all, first it's, are y'all believers? Like, yeah, yeah, we are believers.

You know, I got another coincidence, you know, I accepted Christ when I was 16 and so did she. And so answer that question and then it was, Then it was, why aren't y'all married? Like, well, I've been married a couple times before, or two, and, and just wasn't a priority. You know, we're— we get along great and I don't want marriage to ruin that, right? But what we're not thinking scripturally about it, and so This led into, and you know, this is hours worth of conversation. And, um, you know, this led into Victor explaining what a retooling prayer is. And I had never heard that term before. And I grew up in church, um, but I wasn't, I wasn't heavily rooted in scripture at that point in time. You know, we're talking December '23. Um, so it didn't, it didn't click with me that, that that was, uh, you know, something to watch out for. I'm just, you know, I'm excited we're here. You know, this seems like it would, it might be what I've been working for all this time and all the stress and the lawsuits and the marriages. And finally somebody understands.

So, you know, Hey, let's do a ritual in prayer. And so he kind of explains it and, and, uh, he's asking Eileen a lot of questions about the process. So it, to me, it was like, well, why does he have to ask her how it goes, you know, from component to component of how this ritual in prayer goes? But again, I just let it slide. And, and so. We agree. And, uh, it would start off with, with me. And this, this whole process, I think, lasted maybe 15 minutes each.

When you say it started with me, and you also used the word ritual, uh, what do you mean by that?

Um, well, the retooling prayer, he was going to do it on me first.

Okay.

And then, and then, um—

So it's one by one, and he's going to retool What?

Good question.

Yeah. Okay.

We'll figure that out.

We'll figure that out.

Yeah. So, and of course I didn't memorize the whole process, but recently I looked back on, uh, there was a podcast that they did in '21, him and Eileen, where it described the process. You know, I, I kind of forgot what the process was after this thing, but I looked back recently and, you know, it all started to come back. It was like, oh yeah, he did exactly that.

Mm-hmm.

And transcribed it out. It was a podcast, verbal podcast, but had it transcribed out and got to look through it in detail, you know, piece by piece here just a few weeks ago, actually. And so as I was reading through it, it was, oh yeah, he did that, he did that, he did that. And so the first part was an opening prayer, and I didn't memorize the whole opening prayer. It's like 5 or 6 sentences long, you know, 30 seconds worth of opening prayer, and it's using name of Jesus and, uh, seemed, seemed like a fairly straightforward prayer except— and again, I didn't notice all this stuff back then— but except the whole circle of judgment. So there's an opening prayer and it establishes a circle of judgment in the room. And there's some other components to it, but—

And who was in the circle of judgment? Sorry to—

It was just an imaginary bubble sphere, so to speak. That was just the terminology.

So he's kind of setting up this imaginary perimeter.

Yeah, around the whole room, like all of us.

Okay. And I mean, within the circle, no one is judged or we will be doing some judging? That's what I mean. That's my question. Like, you can tell me everything and no one's judging, or like, we are going to enter in some judgments?

I think it was— well, looking back on, on the transcript.

Yeah, which is helpful.

It, it's judgment on the assigned demons.

Okay, so he's judging the demons that he assumes are in you?

Not in, and that's a—

Around?

Yeah, attached to.

Attached to, okay.

Yeah.

Sorry, yeah, correct anything. I have not been in communication with a person who's doing retooling prayer, so.

Right, so here's the trick. Believers can't be possessed by demons. That's scripture. And so when you have believers come to this quasi-exorcism, you can't call it an exorcism. So you have to reframe everything. So possession now becomes assignment.

Okay.

So they're not in you, but they're attached to you.

Okay.

So in you, that's scriptural. A non-believer possessed. Inside you. A believer can't be possessed inside, but can be attached the outside. And so if you've engaged in, if you engage in a continuous sin, like you have invited a demon to walk alongside you, I suppose.

Okay, I would have to consult a priest on that, 'cause I do think that there are definitely ways that you can get possessed by demons. Like there have been people I don't know for sure, so I'm gonna— so I— but that helps me understand, I guess, the context of how this is happening. So he's saying there are demons that are attached to you, I'm gonna do this Reproothing Prayer. May I ask, what is his authority to do that prayer? Well, um, I don't know that answer, and, uh, that would be my first question. If someone's like, I'm gonna like get these demons that are attached to you off of you, I'd be like, oh, are you a priest? Are you an exorcist? Are you Did he say to you, I am a—

A pastor.

A pastor.

Okay.

So he's taken that since, just so you know, publicly he's no longer a pastor, but he definitively did, we checked, have on his website that he was a pastor.

Well, I think, I guess I won't represent this as something that I remember him saying, but I think he believes that he's anointed by God as some type of apostle. Okay, so, um, in any case, so this attached, assigned demon is going to get judged in this circle of judgment. And so he asked, he asked the subject, me, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to ask you a series of questions and you're just going to respond Whatever the first thing that comes to your head, just, just say it. Doesn't matter what it is. Don't think about it. Relax. Just say whatever the first thing that comes to your mind. And so he asked, he's commanding the demons at this point. And he asked, you know, what demon, what is, well, back up. He asked, how many demons are assigned? And you just say a number. And so that's the instruction that he's given me. You know, I'm going to ask how many demons are assigned to Corby. And I don't remember exactly the number. It was either 2 or 3. I just said the first number that came out, um, came to mind. And then he asked the name of the first one.

So he's going to gonna judge the first demon. He knows now I say a name. And I said— and this was, this was recorded, by the way, and we were advised or suggested to record it. And so my wife did record. And, um, so I said Oh, you're never going to believe what's popping in my head. I just, I just think it's something I've seen in a movie or something. And Eileen says, oh, well, you know, that, just, just say whatever it is. It doesn't matter. Doesn't matter if it's, and they'd name off some whatever common names. And I said, well, Beelzebul. And Eileen says, you know, that's actually pretty common. Like, oh, okay. Um, so proceeding from there, he names— Victor names the demon by the name Beelzebul, and, um, he commands angels to come down and grab this demon by the arms and make the demon kneel before him. So if you can imagine angels coming down, grabbing, forcing the demon to kneel before Victor.

Just pausing here for dramatic effect, because that is how I'm envisioning that. Victor Marx then believes that he has the capability not just to command demons, but to command angels. And that's what he's telling you. He, he can— Wow. That is— sorry for interrupting, but that is just, that's a statement right there.

Yeah.

And also to be clear, I hadn't realized this. I thought when you said you guys went one by one that maybe Aileen's in another room. But you guys were all in the room together. This is a—

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, and she, and Eileen is still kind of reminding him of the steps. He knows what to say, but, you know, it was just like, oh, no, you do this step first. And then he'd be like, oh yeah.

And which angel did he say?

Didn't say. I don't remember him saying the names of the angels.

Okay.

Again, all recorded, so it'd be interesting to—

Figure out which angel he believes he's commanding.

Yeah. So—

This is just, you know, this is a scary story to me. Like, I am like, I don't even watch scary movies. So like, I, it's like a movie right now in my head that I'm like, I'm walking out of the theater right now. I'm just going like, okay, like, I'm going to be honest with you. This is, This is terrifying to me. Like, a man that— yeah, that is, that is something.

But this is the guy who understands me and understands what I've been through and sees the value in what I'm doing. Mm-hmm.

They always come as your friends.

Sorry, Charlie.

Yeah, they always come as your friends.

So this demon being held by two angels, he makes some commands. I don't remember what he said, but he commanded one of the angels to cut the arm off the demon. And then I think commanded the other angel to cut off the other arm or a leg or something. Dismemberment of the demon. And, um, I, you know, I did, you know, I did skip, I did skip a portion. So before that, yes, before all of that dramatic stuff, there was another set of questions that was asked. So after the demon's name, the next question that was asked was, what are the 3 lies that you've been telling Corby? And so this is where I started to get in kind of a trance-like state, and I was staring straight at Victor, and I wasn't blinking my eyes. They were kind of watering up, and, uh, stopped breathing. Not as a panic, but just I noticed And I just wasn't breathing for a few seconds. And so again, first thing that pops into your head. And I said, you're a fraud. And then what's the second lie that you're telling Corby? And said, Your kids don't love you.

And the third lie, they'll never love you. So that was, uh, the three lies, first things that popped in my head. And, uh, so then after that set of questions was, what is the one truth that God's trying to tell Corby that you're blocking from him hearing? And of course it's, you're not a fraud, your kids do love you, and She's sitting right there next to you and she's not gonna leave you. So then the dramatics with the chopping the thing, the arms and the legs off and casting away, and then onto the next demon. What's the next demon's name? And then the whole process started over.

And each, in each process, is he chopping off the arm of the demon?

Mm-hmm.

Okay. Hindsight is 20/20.

Yeah.

Right?

Yeah.

Also not, I, I have the honor of sitting in this chair and I can like hear what's happening with what I just know about psychology and stuff. And it, he, you are telling him your deepest fears. That's it. Like there's nothing happening other than we're all self-conscious. We constantly in our head are, are saying things, oh, this is not right. You know, we're, we, in our normal capacity, we're our own worst critics. And he's just commanded that out of you. And now, now he knows your weak spots.

Yep.

Yeah. Now he knows he, and, and you at the end of that, because you're, you're doing this and these people are strangers, um, you've instantly established an emotional connection with these people. Mm-hmm. Because you've shared with them something that you would not just share to a person that you met.

Right.

So he is, um, I would almost say he's, uh, he's trained in that. I don't think he's, uh, being trained by a church in that, I'll tell you that.

Right. Oh, I know now.

Because in just how the emotion of hearing that, like, and I instantly know this is like, these are your deepest fears. That's it. Like we all have them. And you're talking about your kids. You're talking about, does this woman love me? Like I'm going into, I think you said this, is your third relationship, right? That's going to obviously be a fear. Um, and he just now, he's got the key. Maybe he was summoning demons. Maybe there was somebody in there that might have been a little possessed or attached. I don't think it was you, but that's my opinion. It's my podcast. I can say my opinion whenever I want.

Can.

I can.

Ma'am. So, um, you know, there was one more. The next name was Thomas, and I don't remember what the answers, you know, the three lies, um, or the answers were for that one. But then the thing about it was it was like a compounding effect. So every time— this is where it got really interesting. Every time you would get done with a demon, he would re-ask the question of, "Now how many demons?" Now, you know, each time. And so after that second one, Thomas, I said, "Zero. We're done." No matter what number popped into my head, it was zero. So it was getting kind of weird at that point. I wanted it over with, but moved on to my wife and I'll just leave that one alone.

But, um, same process, same thing.

Yeah.

And what happened after?

Well, I remember him saying that doing this practice, like, drains his energy. Like, he gets real worn out, almost like he's using up energy in this process. And I remember that being something that stuck out. Um, but after this whole process, so him and Aileen leave the room and, you know, we've, we've talked about my, my brief story, you know, I, I dove deeper than I ever have with anybody else. Already, but they left the room and came back and told me about a dream or vision, and I don't remember which one it was, but it was a dream or a vision that Aileen had the night before, and they were both telling the story, kind of him telling a piece and then her telling a piece, and it was that Aileen had, had this dream or vision that Um, this was going to be related to a mission to protect kids, and that it's, you know, just so coincidental— well, not coincidental at all, but God ordained that we met, and that I'm bringing this rifle that is the best tool for the job on the backs of SROs. And in addition to that, you know, what I, what I think to be partially true, at least them going in and out of war zones, combat zones, or conflict zones to rescue women and children and having these rifles on their backs will will benefit them.

So double whammy, schools, protecting students, and saving women and children abroad.

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Um, I don't wanna get ahead of myself there. Um, so you've done this, you've established this connection, you do believe to some degree that it must be godly. You've now handed them the keys to your deepest insecurities, right, about yourself. And I'm sure it felt in equal parts like cathartic, right, getting that out. You don't seem like the kind of person who runs up and talks a lot to people and says, hey, let me tell you my deepest, darkest secrets, right?

Um, I'm pretty open to people that I feel see me. Um, but in general, no, I'm pretty standoffish.

Right. So now the four of you are, you know, in this God vision together. I'm obviously saying that tongue in cheek. What happens next?

So we go home. Uh, well, you know, I believe we had a hotel that we were staying in, but we left the next day. And, um, this was again, early December. So I get to work on the Signature Series, the Victor Marx Signature Series. We run through a bunch of ideas on color schemes and features, you know, what suppressor, what backpack. You know, all these— how is this rifle going to be presented? It's got to be nice. And so we, we came up with something, and it, it was, it was a pretty cool rifle. But, um, I had it ready for SHOT Show. The SHOT Show is the largest gun show in the, in the country, probably the world, but in the country, annual. It happens in Vegas every year and, um, sometimes late January, I think sometimes it happened in some years, it happens late February, but this year, this year of '24 in January, it happened in late January. So we're communicating back and forth and, you know, this, the color scheme and all the accessories have been picked and we built a few units to be able to present. Be able to give him a couple at the show.

And, um, you know, he had his FFL, Federal Firearms License, and so we transferred a couple to him at the show and had a few for, um, for our display in our booth. And, uh, yeah, well, backing up just a little bit, I asked him Well, I told him that, you know, I'm gonna ask my then-girlfriend to marry me. And in text, before the show, like what, maybe 5 days before the show. And I can't remember if he proffered it or if I asked him. I think I asked him. You know, hey, you're gonna be there, you're pastor, you know, we, let's, let's get married. 30-minute ceremony, we'll be in and out quick. He's like, oh yeah, yeah, we'll do that. And, uh, so I had gotten a ring and it actually, it traveled through 5 different, 4 different continents. And arrived at our Airbnb in Vegas, uh, the, the night of the— or the day, the day of the wedding. And, uh, I was just dressed in like jeans and my work boots and just a button-up shirt. And she had a, had a pretty cheap, easy dress that you got, but It looked beautiful, but, uh, we, we just like, this was a rush job and I actually hadn't even asked her to marry me.

Like, oops, wait. So the day of, the day of I asked her, we were just walking down the hallway and, uh, but you know, by the way, she was my CEO of the company and she had been working there for at least 2 years by that point in time and just bang up job. Like, she's, she's good. And, um, so anyways, asked her to marry me that day. We go up to Victor's hotel room. We have some of our industry friends attend with us and they got video and pictures and it was super special for her because she just adored Victor. And had followed him for many years. And the ceremony was perfect and simple and just, it was, it was nice. So try not to get too sentimental here, but, um, you know, we, we read each other's vows to each other. Victor was there, he officiated it. We had our marriage certificate that we ran down to the courthouse and grabbed real quick. And, you know, we got a picture of him signing it with us sitting down behind him. And, you know, we were— once we got the photo op, we walked to the other side of the room and just mingling with our friends and looking over and he's talking to Eileen and already know what's going on.

Like, like, He's not certified to do this in Nevada. I already know it. And so, and so they're just talking it back and forth and he's like trying to decide if he's gonna sign it or not. And so I'm like, hey, is it just because we're in Nevada? He's like, yeah, I don't, I don't have a license. Here, because there's a block on the form where you're gonna put your license number. And I was like, well, just, it's fine, just sign it. We'll go, you know, we'll go back to Texas and just do our county, county deal after this. But we'll, we'll keep this, doesn't need a, doesn't need a license on. We're not going to file it here anyways. So no big deal, right? Um, red flag.

But does he have a license even in Colorado?

I don't know. I don't know. So that was, that was that. And, um, got done with SHOT Show. It was a great event. Got a lot of videos, pictures. Everybody was shaking hands and meeting Victor and meeting us. And it was a, it was a very nice SHOT Show. And normally I hate going to— I've been to SHOT Show ever since 2012, hadn't missed a year, and just absolutely hated it. It's all the walking and hauling stuff around and having to be here and there and unpacking stuff, and the logistics is just nightmare.

But this one was pretty memorable.

This was, this was nice.

So things are, are looking good. What is— when is the first time, I guess, you guys had any sort of a shift in that narrative? Like a just, we're all on the same page, here's what we're trying to do, here's what our goal is. We've got your signature series, good looking gun, you're getting us married. When's the first time you had a hiccup?

Hmm. Well, I guess, uh, I'll get there. So I'll just, so.

Yeah, take me wherever you want. Don't, you know, we could, I want to get the full story.

He went on, well, we had an opportunity pop up and I believe it was, I believe it was March or April-ish. And Sebastian Gorka, um, had me on once, and, um, you know, me and him had talked quite a few times and, and text message based. And, um, he loved the gun, right? He's a gun guy. And so me and him kind of connected and And he said, "Okay, well, I see you got a Signature Series, Victor, been trying to get him on my show forever, and, you know, let's talk about this cool mission and let's get y'all on." So I did not want to go on. I didn't want to be on video.

Can't you tell?

And then I texted Victor, "Hey Victor, Sebastian wants you to get on with him." and talk about the Fold AR. He's been trying to get you on, he's been bugging me. Like, just go on with it, dude. My wife will be there to support you through this. And Victor's like, yeah, oh, I do this all the time. It ain't no problem. And tell us the genesis before we talk about Victor and the very exciting plans you have for this weapon. What is the genesis? How did you get this idea?

So our inventor, Corby, he's my husband also, but he came out with the product about 7 years ago. And, um, he came out with it because he was looking for a way to get the AR to be more compact and decided to take the barrel nut off. And then when he figured that out, he figured that you could also fold it. And after a lot of testing and, and a couple years of development, you know, he made this a possibility.

What is your mission now, Victor? Well, I'll tell you, everyone knows that Time in a critical life and death situation makes the biggest difference. And this weapon platform, not only being an outstanding, um, high-end platform to shoot, it is absolutely the best product in order to engage a hostile threat in a school, bar none. Uh, and again, with it being carried in a backpack, uh, it keeps the level of anxiety down for students to watch. So we know this is a lifesaver. And what we want to do is to be able to see every resource officer, first starting in the state of Texas, have one of these, and then it's spreading throughout the United States so that our children will be made safe. So Victor goes on and they talk about the Foldejar a little bit. I think Sebastian asked her, you know, how did— I think your lesser half He's the inventor and, you know, tell us how he came up with it. And she spit off some stuff. It was good. But then Victor came in and was talking about the All Things Possible mission and said that, you know, we're going to make it a mission to get one of these Fold ARs on the back of every SRO in the nation.

Starting with Texas. I was kind of shocked. Oh, I didn't think he was going to say that, but yeah, let's do this. And, uh, that idea was to set up a 501(c)(3) and figure out how to get donations coming in for schools, particularly rural schools that don't have immediate access to SWAT teams or, uh, or funding. And let's get these, get these moving. So that happened and it wasn't too long before we had a school that needed 5 and didn't have the budget for it. It was local to us and we built them up and we talked to Victor about it to get that funded. And there was kind of some pushback and, you know, I got to run this through the ATP board. They didn't know. That I was going to do that, and they're kind of worried about the whole gun thing. And I'm going, okay, um, okay, you do what you got to do. But I got 5, and it's— and it's like, I think it was either $13,000 or $15,000, and you know, the suppressors and backpack and like optics and all the stuff on it that they need to just train and get ready and go, go deploy them.

And so he eventually did, you know, we, we paid for them to build them up front. And, uh, you know, we're not making a lot of guns every year anyway, so funding that out of pocket is kind of a hit, but we did it. And, um, he, he did send a check to us. And, uh, we got the guns to the high school or the ISD, and they loved them. We got some photo ops. Victor didn't come for that, but we really wanted him to. And so that was— we delivered those in, in the summer of '24. and, um, that was the only, that was the only one that Victor ATP purchased. And my wife had created this fairly long list of schools and they would fill out a template, you know, we want the guns, we will use them, and we don't have a budget for them. And/or were located in a, in a area where there's not a quick access to first responders.

Mm-hmm.

And if they checked the boxes off and put it on their letterhead and, you know, we would take it in and, and have it ready for ATP. And, um, yeah, just never, after summer of '24, there was no attempts.

For school resource officers.

Yeah.

In that context. Yeah.

Right. But there were requests for other guns. And so, so moving forward into, into August. Yeah, I'll jump to August. Let's get into it. So Victor messages me, says, hey, I need a 1,000-yard capable, um, rifle that has a scope on it and a camera attached to the scope. Like, okay, I can put that together. I actually already have the components. I don't have to buy anything. And he needs me to deliver it to him. Pretty quickly and says it's— he tells me that it's for— well, let me just hold up there then. So I build this thing out, it's got a Proof Research barrel on it, this carbon fiber precision barrel, it's like $1,100 barrel, uh, in.223, 16-inch barrel with— I had like a $5,000 scope on it. I'd had it for a while, so it was just like, you know, he'll make better use of it than me.

You're just going to give him a $5,000 scope?

Yeah.

Okay.

And with a camera attached to it. Like, I literally had this already set up. But I wasn't using, I hadn't used it in a while. So I take it up to Victor and the conversation is, we want, I want to, and this is with me and him privately, you know, that's where, you know, the meat of the conversations always come in. He wants to blow the head off of somebody that sticks their head up over the fence around this orphanage in Haiti. And they have a tower in the middle of it, like a, some kind of watchtower, because apparently they're—

In the middle of the orphanage?

Yeah, of the orphanage.

Okay.

And, you know, he's saying that people are jumping over the fence. Climbing over and trying to rob or, or whatever the orphanage. And so, you know, tell them, yeah, I'm not going to leave it here if that's what you're doing. And, you know, we, we had a conversation before about shooting watermelons, a previous conversation about shooting watermelons at 1,000 yards. But when I got there, you know, the conversation shifted. Now we're in person and he wants to talk about—

Shooting people.

Shooting people. Yeah.

And I just want to back this up. When he's initially, because we do have that message and we're going to show that message, when you guys are initially having that conversation about shooting watermelons, like, did you think he was talking about watermelons or did you think it could be code? Because you kind of know him a little bit now. Like, and he's like, hey, I'm just wondering if we could— or were you thinking like, no, he just really means like, if we were to test it with the watermelon? Like, what was your thought process when you were first having the conversation via text about shooting watermelons from 1,000 yards? Did you, did you think that there might have been some innuendo, reading between the lines? You thought he was shooting straight because he'd never made a weird request before this, so you were like, he just wants to know. Okay, so then you're like, he says let's have this conversation face to face, and when you say you meet up, this is in Colorado?

Yes.

Okay, so that is— does he have a place in Texas, or are we always Colorado.

Oh yeah, we always met in Colorado at his house.

And I— and just to get our timeline right, this is August of 2024, right? Okay. So now you're face to face and he's like, actually, there's this orphanage and people are climbing over this fence in the orphanage and there happens to be a tower in the middle and we just want to shoot these people because we want to protect this orphanage.

Yeah.

Because what are they doing at this orphanage? Presumably Stealing orphans, trafficking children?

I don't know.

He didn't say that explicitly. Okay, fair enough.

So I say, you know, I'm not going to leave this. That's, that's not what my rifles were for. I mean, for a military guy, I will sell my rifles to military and law enforcement, and it's assumed that they may shoot people with them, right? But in this context of a mercenary type operation that doesn't have oversight? No.

Um, and did you wonder why he was doing that at all? Because I mean, I'm just— he's a pastor, he's doing a routine. Like, I, I have a priest. If my priest was suddenly like, hey Candace, can I have some guns to go shoot an orphanage on a mercenary mission? I'd be like, oh, this is a new side of you. Is he telling you, like, you've met armed forces guy at his property? Like, what is your— are you shocked at even the proposition of him doing this? Or does he kind of speak this way and tell you that he's connected and whatever? Like, how are you processing that request?

Well, um, I just simply said, yeah, I'm just not going to leave it here.

You're not processing it?

I'm not, I'm not processing it. I'm just, again, I'm happy that I'm there in person now. We can talk about I got this list of schools that are ready for guns. And you know, there's that bond has been established. He is my authority, you know, spiritual authority figure. I'm not to question, I am to do. And I was there to deliver. So, but you know, I told him, you know, Well, why don't you just, like we were talking about, eat the watermelon? Just do the watermelon. Like, oh, okay, well, like, and backing up, so shooting the head off of a person transpired into, well, I'm gonna go in and execute or capture Amy Barbecue.

Okay.

And the first time I've ever heard of this guy, I don't know who he is. I'm still like, yeah, no, uh, again, back to the watermelons. He's like, yeah, you just— I said, just put the watermelon up on the fence, shoot it, get your propaganda video. That's what the whole thing was about, was shootin' somebody climbing over, got it on camera, we can distribute it out in the Haiti land and they won't jump over anymore. Like, like, I see the good intention behind it, but yeah, no. And then, you know, transitioned into a little bit more detail, like maybe, maybe if I tell him that It's to kill Jimmy Barbecue, who is causing all the ruckus in Haiti anyways, then, then he'll agree.

Okay, so I do want to just take the second now to just show a brief clip to my audience of the media context of who Jimmy Barbecue is. Some people are, you know, do not follow politics, global politics, and what we were told Jimmy Barbecue is and was during this time frame, August 2024. Take a listen. Jimmy Chérizier, universally referred to here as Barbecue, is the head of one of the most powerful gangs in Port-au-Prince. But he's also the head of a gang consortium that's brought Haiti to its knees. Barbecue sees himself as a revolutionary for the people, and he rails against corrupt politicians and oligarchs. He dismisses all the efforts underway here to form a transitional council that will govern Haiti. Inside his territory, despite the poverty, life is relatively peaceful and organized. Unlike in much of Port-au-Prince, queues for food Barbeque gets brought in are orderly. Usually it's chaos, but here people wait knowing that there are enough supplies for the whole community. This is a source of Barbeque's strength. To the outside world, he may be a gangster, but here he's a sort of Robin Hood. Okay, so he's saying to you, I'm going to get this guy, I'm going to capture, or I'm going to kill.

You say, not with my weapon, actually. And let's talk about school resource officers. What happens next?

Well, you know, right after the Jimmy barbecue, that's when I brought it back to the watermelons, and he seemed to agree. Kind of reluctant, annoyed manner, like, why are you questioning me? Maybe he was testing me. I don't know. I don't know what his intentions were. I just know what was said to me. So I didn't have a concern at that point though, because he's like, yeah, we'll do the, we could do the watermelon. You know, it's not a bad idea. And so from there, I left the gun with him. And, you know, there was no discussion about rules, or maybe there was, and it was just kind of like just nothing was, yeah, we're still on board with the mission, but, you know, I'm dealing with this and that, and I got this mission coming up, and just never, you know, never went anywhere. So yeah, we left and, Then there was a, I know there was another, you know, I skipped over a meeting. I went in June.

Mm-hmm.

That the June meeting is the one I don't really remember what I did. I know I went alone, um, but I don't remember. I didn't deliver anything as far as I remember. But, um, you know, there was a June trip that I made and the August one I do remember. Specifically, uh, there was text messages surrounding it that, that I was able to reference against. Um, so then in November, then he comes to Texas to my facility, and, um, so the intent is that we're going to, um, tour the shop He had a, he had a couple fly him down on their private plane and I picked him up from the airport and we went to the shop and toured the shop. And, um, you know, during that tour, pretty early on, you know, he was there for probably 4-ish hours. And, um, you know, when we got, when we got alone on the shop floor in between the machines, he's like, hey, you know, I still, I still got this Haiti stuff going on and I need 50 guns, uh, to take and drop off in Haiti. And I said, well, you know, that, that's a embargo countries.

So I, I mean, I've exported guns by this point to many different countries, and I know the process, and it's not easy every time, anytime really. And I just knew that Haiti wasn't on that list, on the approved export list. So I was like, nah, I can't do that one because like Haiti's like The last place they're gonna let me export guns, probably the last place. And so I said, you know, I suggest you don't do that with any other firearms either. Just, I'm assuming that he just doesn't know the export laws.

Mm-hmm.

Why am I assuming this? I don't know, but he's a high-risk humanitarian abroad. He's been to all these other countries, done operations in. Hindsight 20/20, of course he knew that you can't take guns and drop 'em off into Haiti.

Did you, and I'm sorry to cut you off here, but I, I have a question about that. The other countries he had visited, did he ever give you again the context? Because I'm just going in my own point of reference. My priest was like, yeah, and I did these high-risk humanitarian things. What's your background? How are you getting on these missions? Who are you working for? Did he ever give you that context or just, Okay, so that might have been why it didn't really flag you that he was going to Haiti, because it was kind of a part of something that you knew he had done, or he says he has done, in many other countries.

Yeah, and then, you know, there was already the visit before that there was Haiti discussions, and told me about the orphanage, told me about Jimmy Barbecue and the, um, you know, the gang violence that was around. So I kind of knew the context already. It's just Like, okay, well, you're— I've already told you no once, and then you're bringing me something that's even— because you can, I suppose, if you have whatever license or approval, State Department or whatever kind of approval it is, where you can go as a private citizen with your own gun. And, and get out, do your thing, and keep your gun on you, I suppose that that's a legal thing. I would have to research that, but it seems to be that that's a thing that is done commonly. Um, but leaving guns, I know that you can't do that, not in Haiti.

Yeah, I think that's called weapons trafficking, but I'm not positive.

Yep. So told him no. I told him, you know, don't, don't be going to some other manufacturer and getting 50 in. I'm trying to look out for you, pops. Listen to me. Um, so I also told them that, um, you know, if you, if you place an order for 50 guns with my wife next week. I'm not— can't sell you the guns because I already know now. So, like, let's not talk about this anymore. Like, okay, I'll figure it out.

What did he say he wanted to do with the— like, who was he dropping those guns off for?

He didn't tell me that. Okay. All I was told, it was for protection of the orphanage.

And you don't know what they're protecting.

I don't, I don't know any details about it other than I was told it was a 200-acre property. I don't know if that's true or not.

Mm-hmm.

I was told that there is a tower in the middle of it and a, a pretty tall fence around the perimeter of it. I wasn't told how many kids are there or who mans it.

Mm-hmm.

Um, yeah, just other than them needing a long range to make a propaganda video and then the 50 to do, I'm not sure. Okay.

What happens next?

Well, it's not the most dramatic. Juicy portion of the story, but—

Remind me, because I'm taking some notes on what you're saying, because I do have some questions I'm going to want to come back to, but go ahead.

Yeah, no problem. Um, so there was not another meeting until the final meeting, which was in, um, Early April.

Okay.

And so the context around this meeting was multifaceted.

Are we in Colorado?

Yeah, in Colorado. And I would drive up there again and it was by myself. The context around this meeting was, like I said, multifaceted. It was issues. Between me and my spouse. It was— we were talking about biblical things, um, relationship. I mean, he was, he was mentoring me, what I viewed to be mentoring at the time, you know, during this whole relationship. And things were starting to pile up in, in April, you know. So Trump got elected. In November of '24. And, um, in the gun industry, we have what's called the Trump slump. Anytime a Republican is elected, then the demand for firearms goes down. So things get pretty tough. You have to pivot as a, as a manufacturer to survive in that environment. And we didn't have the resources to pivot, and it was, it was getting tough. Um, yeah, actually, I forget, you know, we went to SHOT Show again in January of '25, and that could have possibly been a February year, but I believe it was January '25, and, you know, so it was our anniversary. Yeah, it was pretty rough. 'Cause sales were already going down and just to be honest, I was struggling with substance abuse with THC.

Smoking pot?

Gummies or vapes. Okay.

Yep. How often? Like, just like kind of living high? Like—

No, well, yeah, daily, but—

Yeah. Gummies, popping gummies and—

Yeah. Okay.

Any other stronger substances?

Yeah.

Okay. Are you drinking too?

No, not drinking.

Okay. So you're THC?

Yeah. That's, you know, I'd done that since 2020.

Mm-hmm. I think you sent me a thing and like you and your wife both smoked pot, like you were both THC users, so to speak. Oh, I guess we'll focus more on you, but I'm just saying that like this was something that was already known to the Marks family, I think.

Oh yeah.

That's what I'm asking more broadly.

Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, you know, anxiety issues with the past. I didn't want to get on any SSRIs or anything like that again. And, and weed, as long as I moderated it, it was, it was, uh, it was a, it was a pretty good, um, regulator of anxiety for me, so long as I didn't go overboard with it. But it became, you know, one of those dependency things. You just got to have a little bit more, a little bit more, and then you get kind of dependent on it and Um, but now I hadn't needed to pivot, you know, 2024, the end of 2024, uh, early 2025, we needed to pivot and I wasn't able to do it. Like I was functionally decline and decline and, you know, they weren't— the ATP thing wasn't helping, you know, the Signature Series. We did sell some of them, but it wasn't You know, it wasn't, um, just like skyrocketing business or anything.

So you now got the added, like, financial pressure, which is what causes—

Yeah, yeah. And so, and interestingly enough, with my wife's involvement, the prior 3 years we made the Inc. 5000 list in '25, although, like, it was just We got the notice in, she had worked so hard on it. And, uh, you know, with her in the CEO position, we had increased our revenue by 350%.

Wow.

In the prior 3 years. So we earned 1608 position in the country and 60th fastest manufacturer and first in the region. Fastest growing company in the region, while we're like, oh man, we're, we're tanking fast.

How are we going to keep the lights on?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, um, yeah, this is all, this is all building up on me, and, and I'm again going back to Victor or, and, and one of his guys, Chaz, or any kind of support, you know, more so like, help me figure out, number one, I'm ready to get off of THC because I gotta make this pivot and I've gotta, like, bring my high-functioning self back. And there wasn't, there wasn't any help there, you know, maybe a couple nudges here and there, but, uh, and you know, and there's a there's a text message history that I've gone through recently, and it, it makes sense now. Every— all of it makes sense.

But a text message chain between you and Victor and Chaz? And Chaz, who is— just so my audience is aware, Chaz is the— his COO. Victor Marks is COO of All Things Possible, right?

Right.

Okay. And what is it about that text chain that makes sense? Because I You've mentioned it, so I think we wanna, like, in retro, hindsight is 20/20, but what element makes sense?

Like, you're looking at this message, you're going, "Aha, what?" Well, there was a point in there, and I don't remember which month it was, but, um, you know, there, I was in a suicide crisis for a moment, and, you know, my message to Victor was, hey, I'm, I'm in the parking lot of Walmart and, you know, I had bought this life insurance policy like 7 years prior and I shopped around for one that had a suicide allowance in it, uh, for that specific reason. And, um, And I knew, you know, I was sitting in that parking lot, I was crying and said, God's telling me that if I do this, he's not going to take me. So, you know, Victor's response is, well, of course, Don't do that. You know, the lawyers, they'll always find a loophole. Okay. And the next message is, well, I can just have you disappeared. I can have you knocked off. I can have you knocked off or disappeared to a banana plantation in South America.

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Mm-hmm.

And I also just wanna say to you, like, you shouldn't feel weird about that. That's the number one reason that men commit suicide. This is why men have a higher suicide rate than women. The financial pressure, the stress of finances is— there are going to be so many men watching this that can relate to that. Um, and so when you kind of keep that inside and like, I'm sure, like, you know, I feel ashamed, I'm, you know, like all that stuff, it's— this is, I feel like, why he was able to manipulate you and why he's so like, well, he's got mental health issues. And first off, knowing that this man is supposed to be your spiritual director. Like, mine's obviously my priest in London. I couldn't imagine my priest going on an Instagram Live, no matter what happens. Like, you know, if I leave the Catholic Church and I become the enemy of the Catholic Church, there is something that is so violating about him coming out and saying, like, you're actually going to who you're supposed to go to. Right? And obviously you're Protestant, so you're thinking, this guy is telling me he's a pastor, he married me, like, this is the person when I am thinking I want to kill myself that I should be able to lock this into a box and he's going to talk me through this and remind me that financial pressure comes and goes.

Like, I remember being— having $9 in my bank account and like sleeping in my car. The feeling of that financial anxiety and what that can do. It can be so crippling. And he's just using that against you.

But, and with knowledge that, that I was on THC, I was very open about it. Mm-hmm. And asking for help.

For help. Um, so this becomes sort of this entry point of how he's just on the radio right now. Like, well, he's got mental health issues and yeah, well, you know, try being broke and trying to figure everything out. And I think everybody develops a little bit of a mental health issue.

Right.

So I just wanted to just give you Yeah, that's true. You should know that that's not something that you— he shouldn't have made you feel about that the way he made you feel about it.

I guess in his mind he was joking, but looking back at the totality of circumstances, there was— it was something else going on there. And—

He didn't call you? I mean, I would just think that like if somebody texted me and said, "Hey, I'm in a parking lot and like I'm thinking about killing myself," my instinct would be to call.

Yeah.

Not in a text.

And, you know, I just, just go to say though that, you know, I was being told that you can't do this because God won't take you. So I'm telling him at the same time, these are the thoughts going through my head, but I'm not going to do it because You know, it's not, it's not going to work out well for me, if you know what I mean. Um, but yeah, the response was, he didn't call. And the response was, looking back on it, it was manipulative. Uh, now, for the record, after having studied scripture as much as I have, Since this time period forward, I'm not suicidal. Put that on the record. And I will not kill myself, and I'm not having suicidal thoughts. So clear that.

You were having a low moment.

Yep. Yeah.

And looking for a friend or a spiritual director.

Yeah.

A lot going on, you know.

And I'm off substances. You know, I was able to— I did get off a month before. So in February, I stopped THC in February of '25. That's a year and a few months ago. And it took a while to detox from that. But yeah. I returned to my normal, high-functioning self. I would say it took probably 9 months to fully come back. So skipping over a bunch of time there, you know, there was, um, there was a visit coming up in April, you know, so this was still compounding. Got rid of the THC in February-ish. But withdrawals are starting leading up to April, and I'm still, you know, I'm having issues during this withdrawal cycle, and I tell Victor that, you know, I'm separating from my wife.

Financial issues, marital issues kind of tends to be, tends to go hand in hand. I think it's the number one reason for divorce.

Yeah, it is, at least in my experience.

But you've got a little bit of experience. Got a little bit.

So, so he says, you know, I'll fly you up here. Um, and you know, I don't, I don't fly up there. I don't fly, uh, very much at all. So I drove up there and, um, you know, when I, when I arrive, and I guess let me fill in the gap here. So again, spiritual mentor relationship. Um, at this point, I'm off THC. I'm in the Bible, just studying the heck out of it. At the same time, I'm supposed to be pivoting my business to figure out how to survive in this new market. And, um, a lot going on. And as I'm doing more research in the Bible, I'm also seeing things that don't look right. And so, and I'm particularly interested in at this time in deceptive Christianity. And so I come across some what I consider to be false spiritual leaders in the in the Christian, quote unquote, movement. And I'm telling Victor about what I'm finding. And, uh, you know, he wants me to talk to Chaz about those things, so I'm talking to Chaz too and sending them what I'm finding. And to them, I look like I'm kind of in a panic mode of of discovery and they're not really responsive, but they're just in their mind, they're like, okay, Corby's going through all this stress and he's talking about separating from his wife and he's coming off of THC and, you know, we'll, we just need him here.

And so, you know, I get there, Colorado Springs. Show up at the hotel pretty late at night and, um, they meet me at the hotel and we sit down at the, at one of the dining tables and, uh, I don't notice they got bulletproof vests on. And, uh, you know, once we sat down, like, tapped on Victor's chest where it was and He's like, yeah, we just got these in and I'm breaking them in. I was like, oh cool. Is it flexible? And he like kind of shakes it around. He's like, yeah, this thing is a little bit stiff right now, but you know, it's, it's a really nice vest. Like, okay. Not thinking anything. Like I'm not thinking, well, we'll get there, I guess. So they can tell I'm just like worn out. I'm drained. And Victor says, well, you know, it kind of tells me what we're going to do the next day and says that we're going to do another retooling prayer. And I said, I was respectful and I looked at him and I said, "No, I'm not doing another retooling prayer. I've figured out how to get rid of my own sin, and so if I was to just keep coming back to you for deliverance, then that would be me making an idol of you." and that would be worshiping you.

And I could see the grin on his face like he was annoyed, but it was concealed enough that he just, he brushed it off, didn't snap back or anything, didn't, didn't say any kind of snarky comment back. And he just took it. And, um, so then he was telling me about what they were doing that day, and it was some kind of big event. I didn't look it up, but what I heard was there was 3,500 men there, and they had— it was kind of like, um, some kind of spiritual, manly macho-ness of learning how to be warriors for Christ or warriors for God or something like that. And—

Men's retreat.

Yeah. Yeah.

Were they all veterans? Do you know?

I'm not sure. I would— Yeah, I'm not sure. But nonetheless, he told me about a board meeting Well, he was, he was talking to Chaz really, but, you know, sitting right there. And, uh, he told me about some of the people that were in this board meeting. Perhaps it was like part call-in and part in-person, but he was telling me some of the people that were part of this. And a name that come up was Lance Wallnau and, uh, Rick Crane. And, you know, those are two people that I had already seen and discovered that they were part of this prosperity gospel, um, ultra charismatic type type movement.

NARs.

NAR.

New Apostolic Reformation. It's come up in my research about you.

Yeah, yeah. So again, I'm thinking, you know, hey, I'm gonna do this dude a favor and kind of point these things out to him. These, you know, the doctrine that these people are preaching, like I'm doing Victor a favor. And So I'm at the hotel. I'm in my room at that point. Chaz is down the hallway from me. And, you know, I'm sending Chaz all this stuff. Chaz, look at this guy. Look what he's teaching, Seven Mountain Mandate. Like, what? We are not here to make the world suitable for Jesus Christ to return. That's not how it goes. Taking over pillars of society? Are you kidding me? Like, what are y'all doing in organizations with these people? And so basically no responses.

Yeah. You kicked the hornet's nest with that one.

I kicked it.

Real good.

Yeah, I did.

Little did you know.

Little. Very little. So I go to Victor's the next day. I'm not doing any retooling prayer. So we're going to basically do a detox regimen and walk around his track. And, you know, talk about all the things that I've been wanting to talk about. And he wasn't really wanting to hear any of it. So, you know, we would just kind of shift from subject to subject. We would talk about end times prophecy and we'd talk about marriage. And it's not to say that all of that advice that he gave me was bad. It wasn't. And it was a mixture. It was a mixture of good advice and like, "What are you thinking? Like, we're still talking about guns to Haiti?" He brought it up again. No.

Yeah.

I was just being facetious, but it was like that. It was always, "Okay, what's my next mission? You know, when can we get some more guns?" Or, well, the bigger topic was selling the business or getting an investor, you know, and, and actually, you know, backing up, probably back in December we had talked about, hey, we need an investor, we need to sell the business. This is, it was probably January actually. So we need to sell the business. You know, I'm having the suicidal issue, I'm having the this and the that issue, and Hey, this is time for me to move along and figure something else out. Let's get somebody to invest or, or take it over. And so we had built up an investment package and emailed financials, and Victor said that he had people looking at it and, um, you know, like a $20 million valuation. For the business and patent and, you know, I was all about it, you know, just sell it and like, relax for a bit. I mean, this has been almost 19 years of craziness. Mm-hmm. You know, just to, just to tell you, Candus, this story with Victor is not even the craziest thing that's happened in my life.

Related to this business. It's not, but it's right on up there. Um, so yeah, I'm there for, hey, let's talk about the business too. I got all this other stuff I want to talk about, but we got 4 days here. I ended up staying 3, did not stay the 4th day, but, uh, we're talking about everything and, um, So as we're going with this conversation, well, this first day was detox. Like I said, he put me in this sauna that had like this light thing, frequency thing, and it had all these colors on it and it was already clicking. Like everything's clicking for me. I'm recognizing stuff at this point. And I look at it and it's like got all these frequencies that you can select for healing certain issues with the body or mental or whatever. And it's a sauna. You just get in it and turn to the light frequency you want and sit in there for a while. In my mind, I'm going like, dang, that's New Age. Like, light frequency is the hill? Like, why are we doing this? Things are starting to click a little bit more, a little bit more.

Anyways, I get in it, whatever. I'm trying not to be rude. I'm just trying to survive this trip. And so we, um, I do that. We do some exercises. We walk. We talk. Um, Victor goes and does some other stuff on the property, and I think he left the property a couple times and left me with As in, bodyguard was there the whole time, like within a few paces of me. If we were walking, he was walking behind us. And, um, everybody has their bulletproof vests on. I don't see Eileen anywhere the whole time. And, um, so the, the third day is where most of the weirdness starts coming in and showing itself. And so third day, we're walking around the track and he's telling me that, uh, we're talking about business at this point. And, um, he tells me that, well, SIG Sauer is going to be involved in this acquisition. But he didn't want to say details. Like, okay, well, you know, they're a big company, they can afford it. It'd probably be a good technology for them. And, um, I know that they're in law enforcement, so they'd be down with the school resource officer mission, you know, surely.

You know, that was a condition was, hey, SROs, you got to be committed to that. Um, and then, you know, enough money to where, not that we didn't have to work, but that we wouldn't have to run that, run the business, um, and we would have breathing space to not have to work, you know, a regular job if we didn't want to. And not necessarily for the rest of our life, but just like good breathing space. That was the conditions, which is kind of wide open, right? And, um, So he tells me that SIG Sauer's involved. He tells me that Daniel Horner got one of my full DRs and who's the top shooter in the world that shoots for SIG. He got a full DR and he gave it the thumbs up, uh, to Victor, who Victor represented, had a personal relationship with him. Um, and, uh, so like everything's falling into place. And I'm kind of, you know, this, this could be a good thing. And then Victor tells me what he really wants to do. I'm like, tells me, you know, 51% and we could only come up with a valuation of $2 million.

And this is so crazy, you know, just, uh, for transparency. I put $2 million into it at the start.

It's just, it's just a mind-boggling that he would even try it, but he must really think that you were under his spell.

Well, I was coming out of it. Mm-hmm. Um, and really it could be said that I'm not fully out of it even today. Um, but yeah, $2 million valuation and he wanted 51%, which meant that he was going to put a little over a million in and take control of the company. And I said, well, you know, the, the money really isn't the biggest— that's— it is a big issue, but like, the money isn't the biggest issue. It is the 51%, and you're wanting the patent. I didn't say no though. Didn't say no. So my response was, well, you're too busy. And he said, well, yeah, I am busy, but, you know, with my connections and this and that, that you'll be able to manufacture without so much stress. And, you know, we'll, we'll be behind you for, for funding, essentially, but, you know, not really disclosing what that meant. So I've been down this road before. Um, so again, I didn't reject it and we went for another walk. And so we just continued talking about it. I remember one thing. You know, what I was wanting to do and me and my wife were wanting to do was be a part of the actual mission.

Like, we, in our minds, we were thinking, if we're not working the company nonstop, then we want to be part of the mission, the ATP mission. Like, where do we fit in? Mm. And they said, well, your wife, You know, that, that's an easy, you know, we got orphanages, like it'd be perfect for her. But for you, like, you're just such an outlier. I don't really know. I'm not saying you don't fit anywhere. It's just like, I could, would have to figure that out. Like, okay, well, keep talking then. And so we're walking around the track up at the top where there's this camera tower. And, you know, we're walking and he's saying, "Well, Israel, Israel needs your guns." And that's, you know, that's when he stops walking. I stop. And then he tells the, he tells the bodyguard to step back a few paces. And, you know, I stop and I'm looking at him. And I say, well, yeah, that, you know, that they have 3,700 schools. They're going to put an IDF guy in each of the schools. And he, he's looking at me, he says, no, they need 50,000 for the IDF for operations in Gaza and Lebanon and Syria.

So I'm just at this point, like, it's too many. Too many red flags for me. And I'm just staring at him and he's staring back. And, um, he finally starts walking again after 15 or so seconds. And he says, you know, that's why I'm not ever engaging in scripture with you. And I, I walk, start walking along with him, and I'm just wondering in my head, like, wow. That, that scripture got to do with guns, the IDF. And, and I'm not against the IDF. It's just what you're saying is that all the guns have to go Do that. Like, what, what about the school mission? Like, we agreed that this rifle is designed to protect kids in schools. So if 50,000 are going, like, who's going to make those? How long is it going to take? And like, how are we going to get guns on the back of SROs here? All going on in my head and just confused about the whole situation. Like, we're Where did this get so far off track? And so again, like, that was the moment that, that I was done, but I didn't say it. And so, um, you know, we're walking around and I just Yeah, it's just, uh, it's a blur at that point.

I don't even know how, oh, I don't know how I left.

And this is also when he says to you, I think, that I could, not I could beat you up, I mean what he admitted to, he did say I could.

Oh yeah, my goodness.

The big part, the, the.

Good grief.

Yeah, yeah.

So the 3,700 guns— I said 3,700 schools. Yeah, that's, that's great. 3,700 schools in Israel. Um, and he says no, um, 50,000 guns and, uh, and the IDF for the operations in Gaza, Lebanon, and Syria. And that's, you know, our stare-off. And he says, "You know, I could whoop your ass and there ain't nothing you could do about it." And inside I'm kind of laughing, but I'm keeping a face, a straight face, and not doing it. Like, I made sure to keep looking at him.

Right.

And that's when he said, You know, we're— that's why I'm never engaging in scripture with you. Yeah.

Yeah.

That was— yeah, like, like 10 things are happening in this sequence and it's just shocking. And, you know, thinking back of it, like, why did we stop right under the camera?

Right.

Like, was he trying to get me to come at him or Or what?

I think the whole weekend was kind of designed to intimidate you. I mean, from wearing— they're all wearing bulletproof— why? You know him. He's supposed to be a friend of yours. We're just breaking these in. That feel— it just kind of feels like a military presence. So it's kind of— and again, this is my opinion, but like, supposed to subconsciously wrap you in this idea, like, we're— we are a force and you're here alone. You don't have your wife here. Eileen's not here. It just feels very Staged. Yeah.

Yeah.

Just hearing it, that's what it feels like to me.

Yeah. And it was—

And then he's leading up to this big question on the third day, "No one's here, I could kick your butt, and the IDF wants this, and you need the money," sort of a thing. You know, you're desperate and, you know, "This is what we can do. This is what your company's worth." It's quite intimidating.

Yeah. Yeah.

Or meant to be intimidating.

I mean, I wouldn't say traumatic, but, you know, again, you got to remember, like, just 3 months prior, I was in this suicide crisis. I was coming off of THC. I was engaged in scripture. And then, like, all these red flags are popping up. And then that.

Yeah.

And so, yeah, as we're, you know, that's basically the end of the day for the third day. And, um, you know, we left on good terms. I didn't, uh, never had one like crosswise conversation with him.

Mm-hmm.

Um, I think he mentioned something about like a threatening innuendo and was Yeah, that's what he said. No, that, yeah, that's—

It didn't even register as plausible given the fact that you were on his property. He's got his guys there. I was like, no, like, I mean, who would try to size up and then be like, yeah, no, I'm going to take you on your own property with your own men all around with cameras in front. That didn't sound right to me. But, uh, yeah.

And we did, and we did go into the rec room and was kicking around the bags and everything, stretching and— doing this and that. But, you know, he said he looked down like a puppy because he even admitted that he made that threat. And see, I just like blocked that out of my mind just then. Crazy. But looked down like a puppy, like, no, that's not me. I don't like to fight. I don't fight. But Um, that was kind of, that was kind of a low blow.

Yeah. Still kind of making you feel small.

Yeah. Yeah.

So you get out of there a day early and what happens thereafter, you're kind of now realizing what this is, maybe kind of adjacent to this sort of NARS cult.

Uh, yeah.

NAR cult or yeah, New Apostolic reformation, something?

No, I really didn't. I still thought in my mind that Victor was just unaware.

Yeah.

All the way, all the way through this point, just unaware of what he was involved with. That's how deep that bond had become, or whatever you want to call that.

Yeah. You can't see what's right in front of you.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And, um, so I'll leave, I'll leave the property and I'm staying in Colorado for another month. And so I go get Airbnbs, jump around a little bit. I do a demo at Douglas County. I just drove up to Douglas County Sheriff's Department and and walked in with my Fold AR on my back. It's a huge, huge department, like 600 officers. I just walk in with my Fold AR and, you know, declare it, and they find me the guy to talk to out of this huge, um, uh, police force. And the dude was just blown away by it, had never seen it. We got a demo set up the next week. Came out and did a demo for them, and SWAT team came out, SROs came out, um, several of the other like armory guys, and they just loved it. So that's what I love doing, by the way, is, is, you know, I'm not a combat guy, but I will show anybody how to deploy the Fold AR, especially SROs and LE guys, and I'm really good at it. And I can talk them through the product and demonstrate really well. And that's what I enjoy most.

So that was, that was a good thing that I was able to do while I was still there. But I was there, I had already set up intensive counseling, uh, and Victor knew about it. I think he said that he paid for the counseling.

Mm-hmm.

Did not. Um, I paid all of it. It was $13,000. With the counseling in the room. But I don't know why he said that he paid for it. He didn't. So my wife did come up. It was set up for individual counseling for me as an intensive 2-week deal. Um, and I pressured her into coming. Like, we we got to do marriage counseling. And so she did come up, we went through it, uh, did well and ended up getting back home. And, and, um, yeah, I mean, that's kind of the history of the last visit for Victor Mark.

So I wanna also interject that in this same timeline, you did have one of your Fold ARs went missing, and it's just relevant to bring this forward to, I, I think kind of just an interesting, kind of just interesting, certainly is interesting. You, you went out to sell an AR and I wanna get the timeline right. This is June of 2024.

Okay, so that one, that one was June 24th. That was an online purchase that we shipped to a gun store in Texas.

Okay. And that—

It's not an in-person.

It was not in-person, and it was for a police officer down in Texas. And then you kind of got a phone call. I know I already told my audiences, but you get a phone call from the officer less than a month later, about a month later, maybe just over a month later. That the weapon was stolen out of his vehicle in— while he was in Midland, Texas.

Right.

And he gave you the case number or the report number?

Yeah. And he didn't call me.

Yeah.

When this— when the incident happened, he didn't— I didn't know about it.

Oh.

But he— yeah. And on July 4th, it was stolen.

Mm-hmm.

Purchased it in June. We shipped it to his gun shop, um, in June also, late June. And on July 4th, it was stolen in Midland out of his vehicle. Mm-hmm. And then he notified the Midland Police Department, took a report, serial number and a report number.

And, um, So he didn't give you that report number?

Not, not during then. It was much— actually, it was only a few weeks ago.

Okay. So you actually didn't know that it had been stolen until a couple of weeks ago?

No, I—

After the ATF?

I got the ATF trace on, on September the 10th, 2025.

Okay. So just to kind of get our ducks in a row here, June 2024, you— it's an online sale. It's going to a police officer in Texas. The police officer loses, does not inform you, but gets the gun stolen from him, I should say, in Midland, Texas. The story is, he says, which you'll find out later, is that there is, uh, his window was open or something while he went into the gas station. Someone grabbed it and he called the police, uh, the local police, obviously he's a police officer, but not in Midland, and filed a report for this missing gun. You actually did not find out right away You did not know at all that this gun was missing or had been stolen until what next happens is on the day that Charlie was killed.

Right.

Oh, that's an interesting thing. I thought that you found out immediately, that he just kind of gave you, hey, just a heads up or whatever. Okay, that's interesting. So on September 10th, You get this email, which we are going to show, which is from the ATF, which what they are performing is something that's called an ATF trace. What I've explained to my audience is that when they do this trace, it's because this weapon has popped up typically in, always I think in a crime, and they're trying to trace the gun and who's the manufacturer, who sold the gun, I guess sort of whose hands have crossed it. Am I describing that? Correctly. Right. And you have 24 hours to respond to this email.

Right.

Or I don't know, I guess they swing in the doors. I don't know what happens actually, what if you, what if you miss deadline? But you don't, you're not gonna test that out, right? So you instantly respond to the email. Obviously this is now, uh, on the morning of Charlie Kirk's assassination, which is definitely interesting. It's definitely something that piqued your interest of, okay, I got this trace and suddenly this gun that I think is all good, and belongs to a police officer in Texas is coming up in an ATF trace. This is really interesting. I did not realize, appreciate this when you first told me the story. I thought you, police officer had instantly informed you. So you're thinking that's kind of weird. I now know that this gun is potentially being, been used in a crime. What happened to this gun? You contact the person that you sold it to, a police officer. And—

Much later.

Much later, not on the day of Charlie's assassination.

Right.

Because you just don't know what to think of this, obviously. A lot's going on. How much later-ish? Doesn't need to be perfect.

Hmm.

Couple months, couple weeks? Because it's kind of in the back of your head, like, that's weird.

No, I mean, it was about, I would say, about 4 weeks ago from today. A month ago.

Okay. So, very recently.

Yeah. Yeah.

Because it's just kind of in the back of your mind, like, that was a weird thing.

Mm-hmm.

And I don't know why this would be involved in a crime at all, because this is, I sold it to a police officer. Feels kind of safe. And at that moment, did you leave a message on his phone when you called? Did he pick up instantly?

Uh, he picked up instantly.

Okay. And he told you the story of, oh, actually, that's so funny that you say that. And you ask him, hey, did the ATF call you? He tells you the ATF did not call him. Actually, they called you. And—

well, didn't call me. They, they did this.

They emailed you. They did not email him or trace anything with him. How weird. Actually, what happened was I actually lost that gun at a gas station because somebody took it from me. I called the police. And then he gives you the report number after you hang up the phone.

Yeah, he sent it in a text message.

Okay. And we can show that, this, this text message that you received of the report number. Uh, he you feel confident when you're talking to him that he's telling you the truth? I think you told me that you felt like—

Yeah, I felt like he was telling the truth.

Okay. I had— I will say I had trouble with the story. I've already expressed that to my audiences just because I go off of vibes sometimes. And for me, when I heard the story of like a police officer, you know, calling the police, that's— A, police officers tend to be embarrassed if they get something taken from them because like, we're the police officers, we're supposed to stop the crime. And then it happens to us and they'll, they get all proud and, well, I'm gonna hunt this guy and kick down with, you know, they kind of are excessive when it happens to them or someone that they love or in their immediate circle. Even if you cut off a police officer, suddenly they're like giving you the worst ticket ever, you know? Right. It's like, I'm a police officer and you violated the laws. I found it even more unusual, and again, I'm speculating here, but I just am familiar with Midland's incredibly wealthy area because of the oil. Um, and I thought it was very strange that a gas station wouldn't have cameras. And you had asked him about that. And I, what was the reason he told that he didn't, they, the cameras weren't facing or they didn't have footage.

What was the—

Yeah, I think it did have cameras and he did, he told me that he did go in and check, but they couldn't see the visual of it, I guess, at a, at the angle the vehicle was parked or wherever it was parked at. But they didn't tell me too much about that. Yeah.

Yeah. I struggled with that a little bit. I'm gonna be honest. It's a gas station, wealthy area. I just felt that would not be too likely. And then also just that a lot of unlikely things that happened there. So, but I did say I have not had the time yet to reach out, which I'm going to do, to hear that story. There's something about it that just, instantly strikes me as very odd. For whatever reason, that strikes me as very odd. And I don't know this, so I'll ask you the question. In that typical scenario, shouldn't they have done the trace on him first?

So they do the trace on the manufacturer.

Mm-hmm.

Then it went to a gun store—

That he has his gun sent to.

Mm-hmm. And then they're supposed to trace do the same trace for the same serial to that gun store. And then, um, that gun store would tell them, okay, we sold it to this person, here's their phone number and address.

Did the gun store— did you call the gun store?

No, I didn't.

Okay, so that's something that is— could definitely be chased down. Okay, I'm definitely going to take a look into that. I do find that to be as you did this for the same reasons, just like, oh, that's kind of precise timing. And it also is sort of, you know, the timeline that you— I don't know, just a lot going on at that in that timeline in 2024. So we'll see. Um, but that is— that definitely was of interest to me, of just, just a lot of planes were coming out of Texas that day in general, I think is why it kind of also flagged me. Um, as weird as just looking into the Charlie Kirk assassination and things of that nature and then kind of this weird connection with Victor, like, trying to get these guns from you in that time frame for different things, and he's giving you the Haiti spiel. But now I'm in contact with someone from Haiti who knows Victor Marx, and it's very— it's just getting even more interesting. I don't think anybody really knows Victor Marx. I was— that person shared with me messages. I was surprised to learn that his backstory about being abused by his dad, his dad being named Karl Marx— I guess it was right there, but I didn't know that Karl Marx was Jewish, this Karl Marx's dad.

That was, um, something that came across in text messages that were given to me, that, uh, he's quite defensive about Israel is what I would say. He's, he is similarly how he, yeah, kind of got real serious with you when it came to the IDF. He similarly got serious with this other individual who is interested in speaking out, um, who was his liaison to Jimmy Barbecue and Haiti. And similarly, this person kind of did some one-off comment about Israel, and he met a different Victor Marx, is what I would say, who was like, "What if I told you my dad's Jewish? And don't ever say that ever again." So there's a lot that's compelling to me. And something that I hadn't shared before with my audiences is that he was— Charlie Kirk stopped speaking to Victor Marx. Entirely their relationship. I mean, like, unfollowed each other. I've spoken to several people about this. They didn't know what the falling out was about, but it— there was a very big falling out between Charlie and Victor Marx.

And you know what time frame?

Uh, well, it all had to happen in the same season because Victor Marx was not in it. I don't know the time frame. I will find out. And he had completely stopped talking to him. They had stopped following each other. And I'm wondering You know, how then his wife was so close to Eileen and Victor that that's one of the first people that she wants to hug and connect with after the assassination. And he also happened to be the first person that we can find that announced that Charlie Kirk was dead and then removed that video. I just find that to be really interesting. And hopefully we will get some answers from Victor Marx about what his falling out was with Charlie Kirk. If that was ever patched out. Actually, I don't know if it was. Um, his relationship with Erica makes me uncomfortable given the fact that I had already arrived at a question mark about the Egyptian planes. My thesis was that they were trafficking weapons based off of the pattern over 3 years, beginning in the same time frame that you're discussing, in 2023. And she happens to have a proximity to a lot of pastors that have interesting pasts and presents and always a finger on trafficking charities.

And I find that not to be coincidental. I don't find that to be coincidental. And, um, I just don't think it's possible. I don't think it's possible that everybody can be doing charity in the same way for orphanages and wanting to stomp out human trafficking. And the Jimmy Barbecue story was interesting because of also Tim Ballard and Operation Underground. I don't know if you're familiar with them.

A little bit, yeah.

Yeah, I, um, had interviewed him, had heard the story, totally fell for the story that he was helping these victims. And then he arrived in a massive scandal where people were saying, no, that's not actually what he was doing overseas. And so it's another piece that I need to put together, but there just sort of seems to be a lot of these connecting themes with, you know, my heart's in the right place, I'm doing charity, I'm doing this, this is the theme of the charity, I'm protecting orphanages. And I think that there potentially could be more here. And I think the biggest theme and the one that's the most upsetting in listening to your story, uh, the current that runs through all of this is this faux faith. And it feels like the entire world was given this retooling prayer, so to speak, after, uh, Charlie died. I feel like we went through that, but publicly, where suddenly we're being told this is all God-ordained and this is who you have to follow and this is who you need to listen to. And if question this, you've got demons on you. And you— it— that— this is, I think, um, what was so compelling about your story, because it was a, a microcosm of what we have seen happen since Charlie, um, passed away.

And we have this Victor Marx connection, and I find the manner in which he dealt with you to be sort of the manner in which turning point, the stage, everything. They have dealt with us publicly like, this is what God has ordained and nobody should question this. And yet we all feel the darkness. We— everyone, the collectively, the world feels a darkness there outside of the, you know, little bubble of the mainstream media that's trying to conduct the retooling prayer on us. Um, yeah, I want to say that. I want to say that there is— you are what you perceived in February, April, that faith is being manipulated and it is not for light forces, it is for dark forces. People are going to feel that. And, and I, I felt so seen when I was reading your story and realizing what we're actually looking at here is dark psychiatry. This is, this is dark. It's psychiatry. It's manipulative. You had, um, used the term when we were discussing, which I think many people are familiar with, which is DARVO. Do you want to talk about what DARVO is in case they're not?

Well, yeah. Um, this is something I just learned over the past few days is a DARVO, if I can remember properly, it stands for Deny, um, Attack, Reverse Victim, uh, Victim and Offender, and Offender. Yeah. So the perpetrator denies what you're accusing him of, he attacks you, and then he reverses the roles of victim and accuser.

And when I say that we are going through this on a large scale, and it was exac— exactly how I— just my experience with Turning Point after, um, when you walked in tonight, I was on the phone with actually the president of the University of Georgia. And she, and this is for the, I'm sorry, for the Turning Point USA chapter. And there had just been this situation where Erica wasn't going because the crowd size, and she said that was it. It was, it was the crowd size. We told them that it wasn't gonna be a big crowd. We were concerned the entire time. We had communicated this to them that people didn't wanna go. Conservatives didn't wanna go because they don't like Erica. And they told us to keep going, keep going. And then Erica abandons that commitment in the last moment and they get on stage. And they blame the world. Like, you know, it's like, you didn't show up for your commitment, and now you're telling the world that she had death attacks or, like, you know, death threats, and that wasn't true. And, and so the students are resigning. She's resigning her post.

And she said, I— it's the same psychological tactics. Um, there needs to be a broader discussion about that. There just needs to be a broader discussion about that. And so there is sort of this, um, nucleus, and I shouldn't even call it, this is like, this is so unhealthy. There's a really unhealthy cell here that's building with faith. It's not really faith. It's a cult. I think it's actually a cult in practice is what he was doing. I think there was a father, if you actually spoke to a priest about everything that happened, I was watching an interview with Father Ripperger. I don't know if you got to see that.

I did. Yeah.

Incredible. It was incredible to hear him speak about some of those things. I found it to be incredible, and I haven't even finished it. Um, I want to pivot to this weapon story though, because again, talking about everyone in Erica's orbit, I had just covered that her mother similarly was trying to buy or get involved— get the patent, I should say— for, uh, another gun company, Unique Gun Company, which could hold, uh, different bullet types in each chamber. I know I'm terrible at speaking about guns. You're smirking here. What, what do we get? The cylinder. Yeah. Haha. Different rifling in each, in each cylinder, which is super unique. And when I said that to you upstairs, like, that's very interesting. Your gun can fold. This gun would be the first to do this. And Lori was having this meeting. It ended up not panning out, but her— Erica showed up and they were interested in this, in this company, or this patent rather. It wasn't actually made. And I thought, what is it— what do you think it is about these super unique guns that they're interested in? And I would like to hear your perspective and to talk about September 10th, because I think if there was a shot fired, could it have been closer?

Could somebody have had it in their backpack? Again, we're surmising here. We are totally not saying this is how it went down, but it certainly makes for a compelling conversation.

Yeah, so, so that, uh, I got to see a video rendition of what the product that you're talking about. It looks like a revolver and it seemed to have multiple chambers, um, that each have different calibers built into it. And, uh, typically that would be like a handgun style firearm, but, um, you know, you just extend the, the cylinder, so to speak, out further and put a stock on it and whatnot. And then it could be configured as some kind of shoulder-fired weapon. And in theory, you could have, I don't know, up to 10 or 15 or more, uh, different calibers in it. And so I've never seen that product in the marketplace. I suppose it didn't, uh, hasn't been manufactured yet. No commercialization there. Uh, as far as the patent goes, I'm not, I've never seen it before, but, um, he did secure the patent.

Yeah, 3 years it took, but he's got the patent for it.

I would say this, so the Fold AR has several unique features to it, one being that it can fold obviously, and the other that is not so obvious is the quick change barrel system. And so with just a push of a pin You can take the entire barrel system off and swap it with a different barrel system of a different length or caliber. And so in the, in the, uh, in the case of the AR-15, the most common calibers are 5.56 or.223, same caliber there, and.300 Blackout. So, um, we sell proportionately 60 to 40, you know, 60% the 5.56 and maybe 40%.300 Blackout. And so it's very common. Being that the ballistics report of the shooting say.30 caliber, that doesn't necessarily mean.30-06. And so it could be a number of.30 caliber, which is the diameter. 0.30 inches. It could be any number of different, uh, cartridges, but all.30 caliber. And so that matches a.300 Blackout profile. And so in my opinion, why, um, maybe certain countries would want a barrel system changeable rifle, I mean, it's twofold. One is, one is for assassinations.

Yeah.

And, uh, so here's, here's the scenario. Again, speculation. I'm not hanging my hat on this.

Right.

We don't see much evidence. We see a few things. Um, but the scenario is you have a backpack, you have a rifle that fits in it, and it would not necessarily have to be a Fold AR. There are some other models where you can take the barrel off with different means. But they're not very popular. Um, in the case of a Fold AR, you could have the folded rifle in a backpack and another barrel system in it. And so you get to a shooting position, you take the rifle out, you unfold it, latch it, take your shot, you fold it. Pop the pin, take that barrel system off, grab the other barrel system that's in the backpack, connect it to the receiver set, throw the other barrel, the, the freshly shot barrel system back in the backpack or wrapped around a towel. And you either leave the gun there and you take the backpack and the towel and the barrel system with you and jump off a building, or you put it all back together in the backpack and go put the entire unit somewhere else. So reason behind that, if, if you're wanting to get away with assassination, then You shoot a bullet out of one system, one barrel system, and then you swap it over to another and your bullet profile doesn't match.

As long as you get one of those components out of the mix, then you're effectively scot-free.

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So this is why people really struggled with the.30-06 because, you know, it would take down a moose. Yeah. Is the.30, any.30 scenario, would that be different? Yeah. As someone who's not familiar with different bullets and what they can do, which would be me, and I think a lot of other people as well. Like, that was— that's something that to me feels like it would have to be a lot smaller.

Um, so there's a lot of schools of thought around this, and I'm not a ballistics expert. I'm a compact weapons expert on the AR platform. But, um, ballistics, I've seen a lot, I've shot a lot. But, you know, I don't do that every day. You know, that's, that's, that's my qualification there. However, um, I do know that.300 Blackout, especially subsonic, um, has a much higher probability of not going through than a.30-06.

Now there's a— Can I ask what a subsonic is?

Subsonic is usually charged, well, always charged with a lesser burning powder.

Okay.

And so it'll travel ideally below the sound barrier, which is going to be around—

So literally subsonic sound.

Yeah.

Okay.

950 feet per second, plus or minus, depending on temperature, elevation, all that. And so I wasn't there, so I didn't hear the gunshot. And of course, hearing it through phones and audio devices isn't the same. A lot of people can tell the difference right off the bat between subsonic and supersonic.

Also, there were speakers there. There's one theory that they played a sound that was different while another one escaped. I mean, there's a thousand different— I, I— there's so many theories out there, but, um, people would be able to tell the difference between the subsonic is the main point. Okay.

And so with, and I'll just describe, you know, the most likely ballistic profile that I would, uh, be looking at for this type of damage. And I don't see the body. I'm just here. I haven't even seen pictures. I saw, you know, the immediate aftermath of those videos, but we haven't seen, you know, the body. Uh, so just again, if there was no exit and there was a fragment of the bullet found in the body, and I think I heard somewhere that there was other lead fragments found inside. I don't know if that's true or not, but, um, what you're looking at is a potentially a subsonic 300 Blackout that, uh, perhaps wasn't shot with the suppressor installed on it and, uh, did not, did not go through and separated when it hit and a piece of the jacket coming off and, and separating. And, um, again though, if there is no exit wound, You're going to find all the bullet fragments inside and you'll be able to—

Yeah.

And you'll be able to weigh it. And, uh, you will tell exactly, or pretty close, how much that bullet originally weighed after you get all the pieces together. And so, um, if it is true that no fragments left the body, then it will all be there.

That's— yeah, it's got to all be there. It's an autopsy.

And so maybe we're not seeing the whole picture. Maybe some fragments did exit somewhere. I don't know. Um, but I could see a 300 blackout doing that. Even a supersonic blackout could possibly, um, still remain completely inside the body and separate and not penetrate through. Um,.30-06 though, I mean, I've had a guy that, that was a sniper, a Marine sniper, that, that said he's seen all kinds of crazy stuff. This is just last week, and, uh, he, he could envision a.30-06 Core-Lok possibly doing that, but in the neck.

Yeah, that's the problem, it's the neck.

He seemed kind of he seemed kind of like, yeah, it's very unlikely, but I've seen crazy stuff before.

People have sent me, uh, pictures of them, like, yeah, dad accidentally shot himself. It actually ricocheted off a tree and hit him, and it went through both of his legs. Like, um, ricocheted, so it slowed down. And they sent me— one guy was in the hospital, like, I just wanted you to see what a.30-06 did to me. Yeah, I was on a hunting trip, had an accident, and like, this is how far it was. And I was— I these people almost lost their ability to walk. Like, I mean, it's like, and this is the leg, right? So much more like a neck is just— that was kind of the other thing is it was the neck. If it was the chest, I think people could have been like, okay, maybe like— I, I do want to ask you a question. When you sell, um, your guns, are you giving them every, every barrel option comes with it?

No, they'll, they'll usually just buy one version.

One version.

Occasionally they'll get a barrel system with a different caliber along with the purchase.

Okay. And may I ask, regarding that Texas purchase where the gun went missing, which barrel option was it?

That was 5.56.

Otherwise known as a—.223.

Thank you.

Mm-hmm. Okay. Okay. That's very interesting. So that's actually smaller than.30.

So that'll move a lot faster. And, uh, that was a 16-inch barrel.223. And so velocities are going to be up in the 3,000 range feet per second. And with most ammo, that's going to punch right through and not even expand much and just poke a hole unless it hit bone, of course. But, I mean, there's all kinds of different ammunition and—

Wait, sorry, when you say it's going to go right through, do you mean like a.30-06 go through?

No,.30-06 is just, It's expanding quickly. It's got a lot more energy and bigger diameter. And it's, uh, I would say in within 2 inches of neck, it's already—

Not even like the middle, like we're, it's, you know, less, you got less if you're going through this way, you know, um, which is where he was hit.

But a.223 is just gonna, a normal.30-06 is just gonna plow right through. Mm-hmm. I think they knew that.

I think that they were never planning on showing it.

And even still, if, if the jacket did separate quickly and didn't just mushroom in and stay intact, depending on the bullet design, even if it did separate, those pieces after they separate, they're They're, some of them are gonna go out and exit. Even if one of them can hit bone and then travel back down, like they said. Yeah. Possible. But the other piece is going to shoot out somewhere.

Yeah. And it just didn't at all.

Yeah. So I would say this, so with the.300 Blackout up on an inclined roof angle, a subsonic.300 Blackout round. Another interesting thing to think about. Typical gun ranges, you're going to zero your rifle at either 100 yards or 25 yards. Doesn't have to be the case, but that's typically what you do with your scope. And so let's say you, you zero it at 100 yards. Well, when you're now at 150 yards, your bullet's gonna drop. If you're at 100 yards, it's gonna hit right on where you're aiming if you've done your job and zeroed it. But if you're at 100 yards, it's gonna drop. It's a subsonic round. It, it may drop 10 to 12 inches, maybe 8 inches, maybe 14 inches. It's gonna drop. Adding that extra 50 yards. And then you have the incline factor. Mm-hmm. So you're shooting kind of downhill and it's not gonna drop as much. So you're shooting flat. If it's, let's just say average of 10 inches, it drops. The incline, it's gonna drop maybe 7 or 6 inches even.

Yeah, I'm, I'm not convinced that shot came from that, uh, Losey Center building.

Well, so if it did, and you had a.300 Blackout that was zeroed at 100, then it's very reasonable that it would hit in the neck if aiming exactly for the head. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

I tell you what, it's a much more believable story than the one that we're getting, I will say that. So, um, I mean, this is all just so fascinating to hear your story, and I think it gives us a lot to think about. I certainly have— as I've said, I'm happy to have Victor on this podcast and to allow him to tell more about his life story, uh, which I think many people have found parts to be unbelievable. I do think, um, I think he's a crazy person. I will say that for sure. I just, just on the basis of the story you're telling me, the retooling prayer, um, I think he's wildly manipulative. I think he's probably, um, involved in a cult, in the occult. That's what that all sounds like to me. And, um, but it is also, like I said, a dark psychiatry for sure. And I do think that right off the bat you were a victim of that. And he, he targeted you for purposes that had very little to do with faith and more to do with the product that you had. And it's a piece, I think the, uh, person who wrote the piece and has been working on your story, Corey Kennedy, right?

Mm-hmm. Did a very good job when she described it as mosaic. We're looking at a very large mosaic. A lot of players are involved, um, all kind of using the same tools, manipulating people, attacking people, making them think that, you know, they're not doing right by God, which is the wildest piece of the manipulation. It's the darkest piece of the manipulation. If you don't serve me, if you don't do this for me, you're not doing right by God. And putting themselves in positions of power over people's life and just learning those points, those— where can they push? Where is this person vulnerable? What are they the most scared of? Well, then I know how to put them more firmly in my grasp, under my thumb, you know? Can I—

I would bring up a topic. So, on Israel, um, I'm not against Israel, and I don't have some beef against the IDF. I don't have a beef against the people of Israel. I don't have a beef against Jews. Um, with Victor claiming that he's Jew, that doesn't matter to me. You know, Israel is, Israel is believers in Christ. And, uh, you know, replacement theology is not, is not the thing. Dispensationalism is not it. It's right in the middle. It's fulfillment. Jesus Christ fulfilled. And so we are supposed to still treat everybody, no matter what ethnicity they are, no matter what country they're from, with the love and respect that Jesus Christ gave us an instruction to do so. And so, you know, I like the idea of protecting the nation of Israel just as it was any other nation. However, offensively, no. Defensively, Yeah, but we crossed the line, right? Mm-hmm. And, uh, what I see happening is the fulfillment of prophecy. I think that we've got, we've got a condition set where we're about to throw down Israel, and that's, that's equally as dangerous. And so with I mean, did you see what Trump read today in the Bible?

I have not seen that yet.

I've been working all day. Yeah. So, um, it's a call, a national call for repentance. And, um, you know, when you look at what was read today, you combine it with the story of, of Solomon, which that's where this, this chapter, this, uh, verse set of verses is coming from. They're preparing to build the Third Temple. And so just look into that.

And so what I've been looking into Freemasonry and their obsession with Solomon's Temple, Solomon's Ring. It's where the— that is what the flag of Israel is. I mean, it's, um, yeah, I will, I will look into that. I did not see it, so I will say that.

But yeah, yeah, it's an interesting one.

And you can see what's guiding Trump is sort of this dark theology right now. and he's not really concerned about anything other than something that he thinks is a higher calling, I think, is what, that's what it feels like to all of us, where it doesn't seem like he cares about what happens to us one way or the other. There's something higher that he's serving. I don't think it's higher, to be clear. I think it's lower. But yeah.

The story of José is a really good example. So, hey, José and Gomer. You know, Hosea was instructed to go marry a prostitute, and, uh, that prostitute represented Israel. Hosea represented God or Jesus. And, um, so he did it, and, uh, Gomer ended up doing what a prostitute does and ran off and, and, uh, went prostituting and got captured again. And Hosea, in obedience, he went and bought her out of bondage. And so he still loved his, his wife who had disobeyed. And it's the same situation to look at with the Jews or Israel, is that they've rejected Christ. But God does still have his arms open. The promise is still there. Old Covenant is not there, but the New Covenant is there for them. And so in that manner, all of Israel will be saved. All believers in Christ will be saved. But we gotta keep that in mind when, when we see the synagogue of Satan, you know, that's just a small portion of Israel.

Yeah, you see people, I mean, I think you hold the perspective of most true Christians. You know, we want everyone to be saved. You know, it's, it's, we are, this is not, and some religions and faiths are exclusive. No, you're born into, no, we want everyone to be saved. We want everyone to find Christ. And we also want people to not be distracted by those who are saying they're doing things in Christ's name that are actually taking you down an entirely different path. And I think you, your awakening that you started to have about, wait, what is this? I know Charlie was going through that in the end. Charlie was looking up and wondering what the heck was around him, who these people were. We had had those conversations about the manipulation, about the moral blackmail, which he spoke about, about what I had described to him as like, this is like a gang, actually. It's a gang. And it's a, and they're, imparting spiritual warfare. And so I do think in the end he had clarity on a lot and was, you know, fighting, fighting for himself and fighting for truth and realizing that what Israel was.

I do, I know that. I know that Charlie was recognizing that. And I don't believe he died in vain 'cause we're, 7 months into this thing, 7 and a half months into this, and I wake up every day and he's still a national conversation. Yeah. He's an international conversation. Yeah.

And he, and he still loved Israel. Mm-hmm. Just not the things that Israel was doing.

He knew that what they were doing didn't work anymore. And the reasons he was told, being told it was fine was not okay anymore. And yeah, it's exactly what you went through. I think exactly what I went through. And so it's, there's no hatred on our part, which I— no matter how many times they try to psychologically convince us that it is an act of hate to notice things that are wrong, that are plainly wrong, that we can see with our own eyes. Yeah. You know, I think we have covered so much here, um, and I just want to thank you for opening this conversation to everybody. I think this is going to send people down a lot of different rabbit holes. I know for me, I definitely want to chase that Fuldaer that went missing. And—

I think it's a divine point in the right direction.

Yeah, and it could be nothing, but—

It is saying, "Look this direction." Mm-hmm.

Yeah. You felt it, had a question, I have a question, there may be an answer. Sometimes you go somewhere and it, okay, it's nothing, but we gotta try it. I feel like we have to do all that stuff for Charlie, you know, just to keep looking and— Yeah, I think just thank you. You're welcome. Thank you so much. You're welcome.