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We're back, and things are about to get horrible. So 1991, the same year that he got all of those fucking people killed is the year in which Joy, j o I, Dickerson Neal, 1 of those hyphenated last names, claims that Sean drugged and raped her. Oh. Yes. Yeah.
I know. Sorry. There was there was no way to came out swinging for the fences. Like Yeah. Because it's gonna get it's just it's I mean, this is gonna be horrible, folks.
Oh, sorry. What year was this?
991. Same year he got 9 people killed in a crush. Okay. So this is the earliest I don't know that this is the first person that Sean drugs and assaults or assaults period, but this is the earliest allegation so far against Diddy. That may have changed by the time these episodes drop.
Shit is coming out rapidly.
Every day.
It is 1 of the most serious. She was a college student at the time. Sean was an up and coming music producer who hosted legendary parties. He put her in 1 of his music videos, and then while they were doing that, he asked her out on a date, which is, you know, classic story.
Classic story. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is why the Yeah.
Prototype, exists. This is why people know that this is a thing. Yeah. Because it's just the classic producer story.
And it's
You know?
It's fucked up because, like, obviously, this is the way a lot of people get assaulted. It is also legitimately how a lot of people's careers begin. Yeah. You know? Like, both and, honestly, sometimes both happen.
Right? Like, that's Yes. Which is why it's going to keep happening for a while.
Is exactly that. It's literally Yeah. Let me assault you and you get to have a career.
Yeah. You can get in this fucking, you know
I mean It's You know? And as this progresses on, we're gonna see a lot of that where it's like people who go along with it make it, and when they stop going along with it, they disappear. Right. You know? Right.
Yes. Yes.
You know?
So after dinner, Sean pushes Joy to stay out with him. She wants to go home, and he's like, no. No. No. Let's go.
And he takes her to a recording studio. She has a drink at some point, I think, on the drive over, and she, like, can't get out of the car because she's so fucked up by the time they get there. Not from the drink, but from the fact that the drink has been drugged.
Obviously, drugged.
I'm I'm guessing just from her description, sounds like GHB, but could have been a couple of things.
Pretty fast acting. Yes. Yes. In a car drive across the you know, it's like that's not that's not a long time.
Nope. Nope. Combs takes her to a separate location, and he sexually assaults her. He films the rape.
Naturally, because why not keep evidence?
Why not keep it? Well, he films that to use as rape revenge porn against her. Right?
Oh, yes. So this is, like, this is where he starts to get into this, the the blackmail.
He's doing this with the from the jump. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The Epstein, if you will.
Yeah. Exactly. And Dickerson actually finds out that he's videotaped it because a male friend of hers comes to her and is like, hey, man. I was just hanging out with Sean, and he showed us a video of himself having sex with you and, like, you don't really look like you're conscious.
Right.
So that's how she finds out about it. Like, he shares he show shows this to a number of people.
God. That is just fucking awful.
It's hideous, and it's 1 of those things.
Wait. So so wait. So this is 91. Right? 91.
Yeah. What what
Do you have was it a camcorder?
He had, like, a camcorder. Been like a camcorder. Yeah. Like, the it was not Like,
a it was a hidden situation or just like You're right. Because here there's, like, there's, like, there's, like, an element of, like, decisions that he had to make. Like, he had to set this up and plan this. Like, this wasn't you know?
Yeah. He had to set this up. He planned to plan this. He spent a lot of money. Like, it's not cheap, dad.
Right. Yeah. It's yeah. Yeah. Cameron 91 was very expensive.
You weren't just buying 1 cheap.
That's probably a big part of in addition, just wanted to do in the first place, why she's drugged, right, is so that he can set up and do all this. You know?
Right. Yeah. It's not an easy process to use. It's not like now where you just push a button or whatever on your phone. You gotta set this get lighting and shit.
Like, it's like camcorders were not just, like Just laying around. Device.
Yeah. And it's it's also I I wanna know now if you're very familiar with this case, you're going to know, oh, he's not bringing up everyone I can't. There's not enough time to talk about every single person who has made allegations. I'm gonna go through enough that you understand what he does. Yeah.
Yeah. At this point, it's literally, like, dozens and dozens of people. Yeah. Like, there's so many people that they've started filing class actions against it.
It's the kind of thing where I think and and we'll never know how many people was in total, but I would be shocked if the total number of victims 1 way or the other aren't in the 100. You know, there's different levels of victim. There's some people that it's
Astonishing. There's Genghis Khan levels of
Yeah. But there's some people
who
are like, he coerced me, but, like, I did say yes. There's some people who were like, I got drugged, but he didn't rape me or, like, I got out. So there's, like, degrees of of difference from how this happens because there's so many people he's doing this to.
And there's combinations of every single 1 of those things too as well. It's like it is layers upon layers. What you know, you're talking Yeah. This is 1991. We're in 2024.
Yeah. You know? This is a 30 year legacy Yeah. Of of doing this. Yes.
You know?
And he's This is a star and to and to only have allegations really because, like, that's the 1 thing is, like, outside of, like, the industry, his image was pretty clean. Yeah. You know? Like, he had a few little things that was, like,
oh, the Tupac stuff.
You know? Right? Yeah. Did he kill Tupac? Yeah.
Or or, did he was involved in, like but it wasn't really, like, the sexual assault stuff that was, like, big. It was all, like, conspiracy mogul, like, you know, mob type stuff.
You
know? Like, before this point in history.
Right. You know? Right. Absolutely.
Yeah. I mean, we knew about or or the other stuff existed and was out there, but it wasn't like that was what he was known for when it came to that
stuff. People would say, oh, that guy's definitely a piece of shit. Right? Yeah.
It was almost like he committed a bigger crime Yeah. In in being involved in Biggie and Tupac's murder.
It's like look. If you're And it overshadowed it. If you've got a crime you wanna commit, you know, like, maybe maybe you're looking to do a a big crypto scam or something, just kill Tupac first, and Yeah. You'll get away with it for at least 30 years. Yeah.
That's that's the the Diddy story.
He might be a judge, but don't take legal advice from Robert.
Yeah. That is not legal advice. Do not kill Tupac if you find Tupac.
Let us know.
Leave him alone. Leave him alone. Deserves. If He's really alive. He deserves to hide.
Yeah. So in the wake of this horrible sex crime, Sean got his first big opportunity. In 1992, he scouted out and signed a rap artist named Christopher Wallace, better known to posterity as Biggie Smalls or the Notorious BIG. And this is I just I'm not super, you know, knowledgeable about pop culture. I love Biggie.
Biggie was 1 of the greatest lyricists of his generation. Honestly, part of why I love him, I think he's, like, written better about depression and hating yourself than most people in music ever had. Like, he's he's great at He was biggie. He was fucking
a huge man. Yeah. He was fat as hell. Mhmm. And he knew he was fat as hell, and he said it all the time.
And then at 1 point in his career, he acknowledged, not only am I fat as hell, but I'm sexy as hell too because I'm rich as hell. So, like, I don't give
a shit about what you guys say.
Oh. You know?
It was
so cool.
And he really leaned into it. You know?
It's like you're talking about a dude whose biggest rival at the time was Tupac who was an
athletic looking guy.
You know? Tupac was ripped. Mhmm. You know? Like and then Biggie's like, yeah.
Whatever. Yeah. Like Yeah. I'm £400. I don't give a shit.
And Biggie
is
But he was notoriously He's notoriously GRG. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Legendary.
And he is this is 1 of those guys. We talk about a lot of guys and especially gangster rap really massage their reputation. Biggie didn't have to do that. He comes from a tough background. His dad abandons the family when he's 3, which is interesting to that.
Both he and Diddy lose their dads at age 3 might have been part of why they, like, got along.
Bonded. Yeah.
He grew up near Bed Stuy in Brooklyn, which at that point in time was a very different neighborhood than it is today.
Sure. Not filled with hipsters.
Yeah. Yeah. He was raised a Jehovah's Witness and became a drug dealer selling weed at age 12 and moved up to crack once that epidemic kicked off. His mother was
Jehovah's Witness.
Raised a Jehovah's Witness. His mom is very strict. He has to hide what he's doing from her.
I've I don't know that I've ever heard that before. That is really interesting because I mean, like, I knew that. Like, he was very much there's a a lot of stories. Even his mom told a lot of stories in in in the the biographies they've done with of him and everything of, like, him always having to, like, hide stuff because she was watching. She was on top of what he was doing, but I'd I'd never heard
that.
It also has a big influence on
the kind
of music he makes because his mom is very strict and the morals that he's raised with conflicts in his new career. So he always does he has this feeling that is, I think, not super common for a lot of people in the same industry that what he's doing is bad. Right? And that influences the kind of music he makes. His debut album is called Ready to Die, which includes the song the great song, Suicidal Thoughts, which opens with the verse, when I die, fuck it.
I wanna go to hell because I'm a piece of shit. It ain't hard to fucking tell. Or getting more direct towards his feelings about his mom, all my life I've been considered as the worst, lying to my mother even stealing out her purse. Crime after crime from drugs to extortion, I know my mom wish she got a fucking abortion. Like
Yes.
Fuck. I love Biggie.
Yeah. Yeah. Biggie definitely was very pressing. He was very, like, knowledgeable of himself and where he was at.
You
know? Like, he anytime it was actually 1 of the things that was so fascinating about Biggie's work is that he would often talk about drug dealing as, like, as the darkness that it was. Like, a lot of times, like, people were drug dealing like, especially now, it's like this glamor position. Right? And for him, it was not.
It was so much more of, like, this is what I had to do to survive.
I just fucking hate myself because of what I had to do.
Yeah. Yeah. I don't like that I had to do these things. I don't like myself because I had to do these things, and this is what it's like to grow up in these situations and have and it was like it took so much of the glamor out of it. It was dark.
It was twisted, and it was dark. And it was like, damn. Like, he's really speaking about the truth of all this stuff. You know? It was not like, look at me.
I'm doing this because I'm fucking gonna wear gold necklaces and shit. Like, he was pretty humble. Even with, like, the braggadocious part of it, it was still kind of dark in
its in its humility. Absolutely. I I guess what we're getting at is we're both fans of Biggie. Obviously, Biggie is going to be 1 of the most successful rappers of all time. But, initially, when he's getting started, his work is seen as too explicit and too based in his extensive life of crimes.
Right. MCA
Records, who is Uptown's distributor, and that's where Sean works. And so Sean's boss, Andre Harrell, lets him go, basically fires him, although he will claim Andre says I didn't fire him because he was bad. I basically, I said, like, look, man. You're right. This guy's gonna be a hit.
The label won't go for it. Fucking bounce. You you're it's time for you to succeed on your own. Right? Andre later tells Wall Street Journal, I didn't wanna sit there and be the 1 confining Puff because the corporation was telling me to do that.
I'm not built that way. I told Puff he needs to go and create his own opportunity. You're red hot right now. I'm really letting you go so you can get rich. And that's exactly what fucking happened.
So
I mean yeah. Yeah. Minutes later Minutes later. I've made all of the money in the world. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. It really did. I mean, it was the perfect time for that. You know?
Like, for the most part, up until Biggie and Pac, you know, a lot of hip hop was more, like, happy type shit. It was still, like, sometimes it was, like, had the dark NWA existed, obviously. But, like, Biggie and Pac were, like, really some of the originators of that, like, dark upbringing culture of rap where it's like, look. We fucking we hustle to survive, and we're doing what we gotta do. And, like, talking the real truth about what it was like to be a black man in America at the time.
Yeah. So it was like, there was something really, unique about that moment because it was starting to you know, we're getting the the crack epidemic. We're getting, you know, like, crime bill that old Biden
decided to go on. Joe back when he was much much more shameful.
Yeah. When he was
that it was not better when he was awake.
Right. So it's like yeah. Exactly. Like, maybe he should be sleepy
because when he was awake
he commits some of the biggest crimes against black America that you can imagine.
I have always been firmly of the stance that the water fountains in the Capitol building need to have Xanax in them. We could solve a lot of problems. Lot of problems. That way.
Bring this down a little bit.
You know what?
You know
Put Xanax in the water everywhere.
Yeah. Yeah.
Actually, yeah. Great point.
Xanax, lithium, let's just This is like when you're in high
school and you think you can solve all the world's problems the first time you take mushrooms and you're like, we need to give everyone mushrooms. We would but, actually, maybe that might Maybe maybe we really do need
to put lithium in the water or something. Yeah. So Combs started a label of his own, Bad Boy Records, and it Bad Boy. Right? Clink clink clink.
And and this is when you hear about the East Coast West Coast rap feud, it's Bad Boy and Death Row over on, you know, the other side of the country.
Suge Knight and Death
Row. Oh,
Suge Knight. And Yeah. Wait. Are we gonna Suge Knight? Talk a little bit of Suge Knight.
Yeah. Oh, man. Because, basically, Biggie becomes a massive star pretty much overnight, and that makes bad boy a name, and that causes immediate friction with the West Coast premier gangster rap enclave, Suge Knight's death row records. If you wanna know the kind of man we're talking about Biggie being a fucking real gangster. Suge is a real gangster.
Suge The realest of gangsters.
Later in life will be shot at 2 consecutive VMA
after parties. Yes. Oh my god. 1 of my favorite Shug Knight things is the is the Vanilla Ice story.
Oh, yeah. He held him off the roof
of a building by his ankles. Oh. By his ankles, he held because just over some dispute you know, it's like it it was like Shug was the realest
of realest so much. Give him the rights or sell the rights to a ice ice baby or something? Right.
Yeah. He held him off the roof of a bill he's like, this is the type of dude he was. This is a little side tangent. Mhmm. I don't wanna go too far into it, but recently, there was this TikTok thing that happened where a guy found a bunch of old death row tapes, 2 inch tapes, in a storage lock.
Mhmm.
Right? And because I'm in the TikTok zone, I saw this happen, and I was like, oh, this is cool. Hey. If you need any help with this, hit me up. And it turned out to be a bunch of, like, MC Hammer death row era stuff.
Right?
Mhmm.
And it was, like, almost immediately, once that started coming out, all all the comments were like, hey, man. Like, just be careful. And it ended up going that I found the guy, the engineer that was responsible for that stuff. And I was like, hey, man. I was like, I this guy found all the stuff.
Do you your name's on the tapes. And he was like, I don't really wanna be involved in that because of that era of my life was 1 of the most I've ever felt, like, in in danger. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, that was the most I was ever worried about, like, making it through the day There was when I worked as an engineer for death row.
There's a there's a lot of, like, things you can say about Shug Knight that are, you know, bastard y, but, also, Suge Knight's not really even when he's behind bars, not someone I wanna talk too much shit on. No.
I I'm close enough, man. I don't know, man.
He's a he's a Should We'll say he's he's a big guy.
He's formidable.
He's a formidable man. He's a large person.
Yeah. He's a large person, and I would not No. Want to ever have my tiny skull crushed.
We have lots of respect for you, Shook.
Yeah. Do your thing. Don't dangle. Just don't run me over at a burger stand. You know?
Yeah. So this is primarily a story of the evil that Sean is gonna do later in his life, and his involvement in the East Coast West Coast rap rivalry is like, we know, but also it's murky. Right? Like, there's a degree of to, like, exactly what he was doing.
It's Unreliable narrators as you would say. Oh. A lot of unreliable narrators.
Most of the narrators are, like, talking through wiretaps that the police have or, like, interviews the police are conducting. So
Yes.
Not great. Literally, anything you get in all of this stuff is it's unreliable and because there's a a level of ego that's involved in this stuff. There's a level of self importance, and there's a a level of also, we were really fucked up doing drugs and alcohol, and I don't actually remember what was going on.
You know? Yeah.
It's like there's a joke in the audio industry about, like, literally almost everybody has a I forgot like like, the Fleetwood Mac. Like, I forgot I made that song story. Like, I don't remember even being there and doing that. You know?
I was watching a fucking, an old video of them during, like, the rumors tour, and it's just clear, like, not a 1 of you. You're all playing perfectly, but not 1 of you could walk 10 feet without falling down.
Like, you are you are snowing brutally.
Walk you onto that stage.
And and although it has changed in its direction, there is still a large amount of that in the music industry Yeah. Where it's just like even on the, like, the professional side of things, like, the engineer side of things, I once cleaned a console that had been, like, a sound board that had been in use since, like, the early seventies. Right? It's 1 of, like, the the, oh, Metallica recorded here. Oh, like, you know, that type of thing.
Like, every band ever had used this console. And we took off the the plates for the faders to clean it, and there was actually cocaine and, like, and, like, weed and, like, shit under the faders. Like, that much had accumulated over time that it was just, like, under and it was like, oh my and you're like you're like still like, why am why are my hands like, why do I feel numb right
now? Like Yeah. Just walking in
the rain.
Seventies cocaine. Yeah.
Yeah. It's like that seventies cocaine.
This himself before sitting and putting it on the back of the truck.
Yeah. So there's a lot of, like, unreliable narration that happens in the music industry all the time. It's there's a lot of drugs. There's a lot of alcohol, and there's a lot of, like man, sometimes people tell me my own stories.
Yeah. Yeah.
I'm like,
so When you're talking about the guys who are also literally fighting each other, lot of head injuries. You know? Yes. Yeah. Absolutely.
The gist of it is there's this huge conflict that comes to center around Tupac, who's the big West Coast star, and Biggie, who was the East Coast star. And, you know, Tupac's, you know, with Shug and Biggie is with Sean, Diddy. So things come to a head on November 30, 1994 when Tupac Shakur is shot 5 times in the lobby of Quad Studios in Times Square. This is not when he dies. Tupac was a tough guy.
Real quick, just to rewind in this story of what happened. So, the East Coast West Coast thing, 1 of the big inciting factors were the Source Awards in New York. Probably, I think, a year before Tupac died, Suge Knight was on stage directly insulting David. Like, that was, like, that was his thing. He stood up on stage, and he said, hey.
If any of y'all wanna be out there and and not have a producer that is singing and dancing all up in your videos and being, like, all in trying to make himself part of the show, right, then come over to death row. Right? And this was, like, a big this was when Snoop got involved. There was also a moment just before that. Maybe it was right after, I forget, where Diddy and Shug were in a strip club in Atlanta, and Shug's best friend that was 1 of the times you were talking about.
Shug's best friend got shot and killed in the parking lot or whatever after that altercation. Mhmm. So up until Tupac getting shot, there's multiple deaths that have already happened. Like, this is a back and forth thing that's kind of been going on, and they've been antagonizing. But it is Tupac and and Biggie verbally in the public.
Mhmm. Right? But this is a sug, ditty situation. Yeah. This is their egos that are bleeding down into Right.
Their artists that are fighting against each other. Because Biggie and Tupac are best friends at 1 point in time. We're not best friends, but they are good friends at 1 point in time. This is, like, an important, like, part to understand. Yeah.
Biggie used to sleep on Tupac's couch. Tupac's acting and, like, starting out his career. He's getting, like of his first records and everything. He's starting to have success before Biggie. Biggie's sleeping on his couch.
Biggie is his friend. Mhmm. So Tupac comes to New York to record at Quad Studios. This is, like, the big inciting incident before the source awards thing. Tupac comes to New York.
He's recording in Quad Studios. He comes down to the lobby. Biggie and Diddy are there as well that same night. He comes down to the lobby. He gets shot and robbed in the lobby.
Yeah. Right? And this is New York lobby. It's it's 10 feet.
Mhmm.
There's a security guy there. It's like, you know, it's a so so he gets shot in that lobby, and he immediately blames Biggie Well, and there's for selling him out.
And there's I mean yeah. And there's also like, it's it's worth noting. Biggie and Puffy are in the studio, right, at this at the top. Like and he is the only it's a, quote, unquote, robbery, but he is the only 1 who gets shot. Yeah.
Yes. He's the only 1 that gets shot, and, like, it's been dramatized in a lot of, like, you know, biopics and everything, but it's a nondescript place. Like, I've been to Quad Studios before I recorded there. It's a place. Like, I've been to Quad Studios before I recorded there.
It's a pretty nondescript place. It's not like a flashy studio. Like, in LA, you can see the a lot of the studios. You know? A lot of them are kinda, like, nondescript, but but you can like, they have signs or whatever.
Quad Studios has no sign. Quad Studios is not like an accident where you just stumble in and shoot somebody. Yeah. Yeah. No.
You do have to know somebody's there. It's on, like, the 13th floor or some shit like
that. He he wasn't, like, on the street, and it was a crime of opportunity. Right? Like, the
Right.
The fact that he's like, this had to have been them is not a Yes. Not not paranoia or whatever ruling.
Yes. Yeah. And so that builds up. Tupac, actually, right after that shooting, he goes to jail for sexual assault, spends some time in jail, and that's when Biggie's career grows, gets all big. And he comes out of jail to see Biggie now succeeding, like, fully and also feeling that hatred and that that, you know, it like, they were involved in this somehow of me getting shot becomes incredibly paranoid.
This is when the Tupac switch really goes to the gangster shit. You know?
And he
starts And,
putting out songs, insulting Biggie and bad boy records
like this. And, again, while he's in jail, Biggie puts out who shot I think he was in jail anyways. I might be missing some of this up because, also, I am an unreliable narrator. But while he's in jail, Biggie puts out who shot you, which seems like a direct attack on Tupac. Who shot you is like a pretty It's a pretty
funny thing to do. Yeah. When you're wondering who shot me And somebody puts out a song, it's the if I did it of gangster rap.
Yes. It really is. And, like, and so Tupac's like, okay. Well, then we know. And this escalates to a massive, massive battle East Coast and West
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So, in September of 1995, there's another, you know, chapter in this escalating battle. Witnesses say that they see Diddy's bodyguard get into an argument at an Atlantic club with a guy named Jai Hassan Jamal Robles, a member of death row's who's like a death row guy. Right? And then after that argument, Robles is shot and killed. And it's 1 of those, like, well, he was having an argument with Combs' bodyguard who's a shooter, and then he gets shot.
Right? Turns out people with guns are willing to use them.
And by the way, Combs' bodyguard who probably shot Robles gets shot himself years later in Atlanta. You know? Not a long life in this business.
This is this is a back and forth kind of situation for a long time. It's like Yeah. It it it it it it mirrors what is going on because these are people who are also gang related in all these situations. It is a lot of bloods versus crips situation. It's the early nineties.
This is actually a thing that's going on in the world.
Like tightened the organized crime part
of it. And The mob pyros in in California and the and the crips in in in, in in Los Angeles and Crenshaw. It's like, this is all happening at the same time.
Diddy is not a guy who comes out of gang life, but he is now involved in organized crime. Right? Because that's just the business.
Big implications for Diddy being involved in Tupac's death is that he was hiring
Keith Yeezy. Yeah. We'll be talking about that. Right.
So it's like we get into this. He is associated heavily with other gang members. It's a bit like the Rolling Stones Hells Angels shit where it's like, who do you hire to protect you in your territory? Yeah. If you don't hire the people who are strong there, you don't
You're not safe.
Have that Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
And and even to this day, you know, I've toured with some big acts. I've toured with, you know, Jay z and Pusha t. I've toured with a lot of, like, mid level, like, rappers, Vic Mensa and IDK, like, all sorts of stuff like that. Even to this day, when you go to a town, a city, you check-in with the guy there. On the rap tours, you check-in with the jay princes.
You check-in with the people that are the guy in that town
Yeah.
Out of respect, out of whatever. Mhmm. But, like, you make sure that you are talking to those people. So it this is happening now. Make no mistake.
That was there were people that were in charge in those cities that were heavily, like, involved in the responsibility around protecting those incidences from happening.
Well, podcasting works the same way. You know, when the last podcast on The Left Guys, when they tour in Portland, you know, they give Sophie and I a call. Check-in. We make sure our shooters stand down. You know?
The pod save guys. When I go to DC, you know, fucking they'll, the last They'll have
the on the left guys if
you don't call them.
Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. You know, and I understand that.
You know? It's like it's It's a hard business.
Similar
yeah. The knitting circles Mhmm. Are actually very similar as well.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sophie just put out a hit on, and I'm really bad at actually knowing other people in the podcast business. I was gonna say to Sarah Marshall that y'all are real life friends.
Oh my god.
I would Do you
know how
many times? No. Absolutely not. Yeah.
I'm going I'm going to Chicago. I gotta call the knowledge fight, guys. Make sure they don't fucking put 1 in me at the airport.
Yeah. Oh, god. Oh, man.
So, and it's also worth noting as we say people are dying. Combs is ordering hits. Right? I can't say that to a point of legal certainty.
Yeah. There's no legal ordering hits. The implication is strong that people are being directed to Yeah. Execute other people Part on this, you know Yeah.
For by by Sean, for sure. I might not have said that a few months ago, but now that he's in jail, I feel confident he's not gonna sue me for defamation. Yeah. He definitely had people killed. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. So, it is also and I should you know, we're talking about this feud, and we will get back to this East Coast, West Coast feud. I should note here, it is around this time in 1993 or 1994. I think the timeline's a little bit murky.
The person may not remember precisely because that's the way trauma works, that Sean Combs is accused of committing his second rape that we know of. Liza Gardner who was 16 years old at the time, he is in his twenties. She is a child, Says that she met Combs and Aaron Hall at an album release in New York. She alleges that Combs coerced her into having sex and then Hall assaulted her, and then Diddy rapes her, and then Diddy and Hall rape her 15 year old friend, Monica Chase. So he and his friend, Aaron Hall, coerce and rape 2 underage people.
1 of whom is 15, 1 of whom is 16. The day after the assault, Combs comes to her house, she says, and chokes her until she passes out and then sexually assaults her again. This is bad stuff.
This is bad.
Very bad stuff. Yeah. And it's 1 of those, like, yeah, ordering hits is bad too, but to an extent, everyone who's in this East Coast, West Coast thing is agreeing we're going to do some dangerous shit. Right?
Yes. Oh, yeah. Like, so outside of the because the sex assault stuff.
That's just
Oh, no.
I'm just like, I I can't hear you. Oh my god. You gotta
you gotta use this. It's the only thing that you can do after talking about something that horrible. It's necessary.
Oh, good. No. But it's like it like, that's willing participant stuff, not the sex assault. The the gang stuff. This is willing participant stuff.
So it's like Mhmm. It's a lot easier to sit back and but, like, the sex assault stuff happening concurrently, it's like it's that what we were talking about, it's like it's covering up almost or being covered up by the gang stuff. It's like, we're over here thinking about East Coast, West Coast war, and he's raping girls. Right. It's like that's that's the thing that's, like, the young girl.
About it.
Yeah. Yeah. It's like Yeah.
It's like there's 1 side where it's like, well, this is, like, a willing participant situate I mean, obviously, I'm not trying to say everybody that's hurt by gang violence is a willing participant.
But the rap thing.
Yeah. Yes. It's like between these 2 guys, they are fighting each other. They are fighting each other. They're causing the country to fight each other.
Like, they're this is a thing that's, like, escalating violence amongst people in gangs. You know? It's like but but willing participants again. It's like there's obviously collateral damage. There's obviously bad shit, but but the other side of this where it's like sexual assault stuff, it's like, damn, dude.
Like And you don't even get that shit to the surface because there's people dying all
over the place. Paying attention to the glamorous gang fight stuff. Right? And this is happening the whole time that's going down. Also, in 1994, the same year probably, Combs allegedly met and raped woman named April Lampros.
She claims that he started it by telling her he wanted to be her mentor. He love bombed her, and once they were dating, he ordered her to keep the relationship secret and started beating her. Lampros later alleged that Combs forced her and his partner at the time, his romantic partner, Kim Porter, to take MDMA and then force them to have sex while he watched. She attempted to cut off contact with him, but he threatened her including with revenge porn. So she keeps going for a while.
This would have been a thing that would have looked like they were dating from the outside, but a big part of it is that he is violent. And if she leaves, he's going to post videos of them having, you know, of of Yeah.
Yeah. You know? So And this is all a recurring piece in all of the Diddy stuff. It's like he took that that 1 playbook and just ran with it. Play the hits every single time.
He just kept going with it because, like, he knew that there is an there and and there is a very truthful element Yeah. To the power of influence, like, that you can have by by just being who you are and being a big deal. And it's scary because you think especially with people like Diddy where they actively know that they are untouchable. Yeah. They actively know that they're untouchable and that he can do whatever they want.
And these are, like, these are the 2 cases we have from the fucking the warriors. Right? These aren't the only 2. Like, again, what I think
is important doesn't that's not a singular event type shit.
This is a pattern that he has, and he is engaging in this pattern regularly for basically, like, most of the time you and I have been alive. That's the kind of bastard we're talking about here.
I was 5 when he started. Yeah. Great.
I was 3. Yeah. In September of 1996, Tupac was gunned down in a drive by shooting in Las Vegas. 6 months after that, Biggie is killed in a drive by in Los Angeles. No 1 was officially convicted by their murder, but we at this point also pretty much know who did both.
Biggie was very likely gunned down by a guy named Pucci. Pucci. Who you can imagine is the character from the Simpsons if you like. Yes.
And he's gonna at the end of it, he is
going to space. He is going to space.
Here is the the toughest part. Again, unreliable narrators. Right. Also, every single 1 of these people die. Every single 1 of them gets shot in an early death.
Orlando Anderson, who was the likely killer of Tupac, also ended early. Keefey Dee is the only 1 that stuck around for
a while. That Keefey Dee makes it. Yeah. Keefey Dee. You never think it's gonna be Keefey,
but it is Keefey Dee sticks around, and he is as unreliable as they come just because of who he is as a person. It is all it's braggadocious shit. It's all about, like, talking about I was involved in this thing. I was it it is definitely he was involved, and he was in the right places, but there's a lot of, like you know, it's even that way with Suge Knight where it's like Suge Knight is bragging about a lot of this stuff and trying to, like, elevate. And you don't get a complete narrative because nobody is ever gonna tell the
truth. Right.
But And it as far as the the evidence points
Yeah.
Yeah. Pucci.
And then clarify here. You will find other theories. There are people who say, no. It wasn't Pucci. It was this other person that killed Biggie, and then the same is true with Tupac.
I'm going with, like, the likeliest version of the story. This is not a litigate who killed Tupac podcast.
Right. There's literally podcasts
about If you have strong opinions on this 9. Just post them on the subreddit.
Biographies. There's biopics. There's there's so many I've got a working
theory that it was in fact Bernie Sanders who dropped 2 points. But yeah. Damn it. I was gonna make that joke. I was gonna
say it
was Bernard Bernard Perez Sanders.
Sanders. Oh, I I was ready for
all this stuff. Damn it. I was gonna
make that joke because I knew it was gonna be a deep cut that, like, the real lovers of the pod would be like,
oh, shit.
He's 1 of us. You know?
So, as you noted, Tupac was almost certainly killed by Dwayne Keefe d Davis, who was finally arrested last year for the murder. He had been made a police informant in 2009 after an arrest for drug trafficking. This is like a lot of people, he is not super well informed about how the legal system works, and he believed himself immune to prosecution and admitted to killing Tupac in a drive by in 1996. And Alright. So heavily believed.
So the breakdown of this story, I'll try and get through really quick. But, basically, it was a Tyson fight in Las Vegas. Tupac is there with his girlfriend and Suge Knight. He goes because he actually wrote a song for Mike Tyson's walk in. He wrote, like, a rap song for Mike Tyson.
And it's, like,
it's funny. You should listen to it. It's but
it's you know, Tupac. So he's there, and he's watching the fight. And then after the fight, he sees a guy, Orlando Anderson, who just weeks prior had taken somebody down and stolen their chain. This is a big deal at this time. You have a chain that says death row on it.
Suge Knight only gives those to the closest of associates and everything.
Podcasting works the same way, by
the way.
Any anybody takes my chain.
I'm gonna come out blasting.
Yeah. Orlando Anderson was involved in that. Tupac sees him right after the Tyson fight. He beats the shit out of him in a lobby and then goes back to his place, and then Suge and Tupac are gonna go to to an after party. They start driving down the street.
Orlando Anderson happens to be Keefey Dee's nephew. Right? And they are in a car together driving down the street, and Orlando and Keefey, depending on which narrator you believe, 1 of them definitely plugged Tupac. Now in 1 of the greatest moments in Tupac history, in all history. Fuck it.
The cop comes up to Tupac, and he says, who shot you? And Tupac says, fuck you. Because even in death, he kept it real. Yes. It is 1 of my favorite pieces.
Those were, like, his last words. That was his last words
was saying fuck you to a He's he's
he's a literal Johnny tightlips character. Yeah. Just get to your shot. I ain't saying nothing. I ain't saying nothing.
Yeah. What's that? Tell the doctor. Tell him to suck
a lemon.
Sucking a. Yeah. It is. Suck a lemon.
Yeah. Exactly. Literally, like,
who shot you? He knows who shot him. He just beat that guy up 10 fucking minutes ago. You know? He's like, no, man.
Fuck yourselves. Fuck that.
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Oh, no.
No. No. No.
Oh, man.
Shane. So much Shane.
Fuck. So Tupac. We're talking about Tupac who was almost certainly killed by Duane Keefe d Davis. So Davis, while believing himself immune to prosecution, admits to killing Tupac in 1996. This is much more recently.
He just got arrested, I think, last year, and he also claims while he, again, believe himself immune that Diddy offered him $1,000,000 to kill Tupac and paid that fee to a different south side crips member to do the job.
And he did not get that money ever. No. Because they No. No.
Wow. He got fucked over by a fucking rap game gangster? Diddy's not a man of his word.
Man, this guy. No. So 1 of the things so Keithy d had actually been a security guard for Puffy for a while, and, like and that's how that link had been established. You know, 1 of the things that's, like, there's parts of this whole story that you have to kinda take with, like, a bit of, like, I don't think Keith Dee was actively, like, seeking out Tupac or anything. I think there's a situation where if puppy was involved in this whole situation, the way that it has been accused, I think he did what they say he did, which is he put a word out.
The word is if you kill Tupac, I give you a $1,000,000. Right? And then I think Keefy d and Orlando Anderson happened to be in the right place at the right time. Right? Right.
They they were at the right place at the right time. They were connected in the right situation that it happened, that they were like, we know where this motherfucker is. We are here right now. Let's do this shit, and we'll try and collect on this later. And I think probably although I don't think it was $1,000,000.
Right? This I could be wrong about this, but I think when it was actually transferred was, like, 200,000 or something like that.
This is what Keith E. D. Says. Right? I'm not saying this is the literal amounts or how it actually happened.
Right.
Right?
So I think that that's exactly like, I think it got transferred. I think people didn't like, the 1 guy definitely pocketed that money or according to the story, pocketed that money. The in between guy pocketed that money and was like, okay, bitch. But I think that you know, again, unreliable narration in this whole story, but there's some I don't think it was intentional is my point that Yeah. That they were trying out at that moment to kill Tupac.
They didn't go to Vegas with the intent of killing Tupac. I think they went to Vegas to see a fight. And Yeah. There was an incident, and then it just turned up, and it was a perfect time. You know?
Yeah. It seems more like that than it was a premeditated situation of they're out there looking to kill Tupac. Like, they're on the street ready to do it. Like, Biggie saw Kiefe and was like, I will give you this money. Go kill him now, and he went there directly.
I think it was a crime of convenience more than anything. Yeah.
Yeah. That seems likely to me. I don't know what happened. And, again, when I was saying this is what this guy says, I'm not saying this is literally what happened. This is a dude bullshitting to the cops when he thinks he's a mute.
Right. So the cops had him reach out to the guy that he said actually got paid for the job and to Diddy. Basically, trying to get Diddy on a wire being like, yeah. Killing Tupac was rad. Right.
I don't think that worked. Sean is not that dumb, and he has not been charged.
Notoriously been very good about not talking to the wrong people. Yes.
You know? And he has not been charged with this. I don't know that he ever will, but prosecutors summarizing 1 of the interviews with Keith and court documents wrote, and this is from right after Tupac's death, Sean Combs reaches out to defendant wondering if south side crips were responsible for Shakur's death by asking, is that us? Defendant beaming with pride answers, yes. And that is probably how it went down because it often these things are not like, I ordered a hit and then he was shot.
It was more I made it known, and I spread some money around. Like, I wanted someone to take a shot at this guy, but, like, other people could have done it. Like, I don't know. You know?
This is
what I'm talking about, the clout industry of this. Because it is part
entertainment industry. It's part it's part male
ego and, like, especially at this time, like, male ego and, like, especially at
this time,
like, the way that the rap industry was was, like, very, like, strong, like, male egocentric type stuff. You know? It was like Tupac literally the beef between him and Biggie, like, you know, Biggie made who shot you, and he responded Tupac responded with saying, you claim to be a player, but I fucked your wife. You know? Like, he Yeah.
He came back with what at that time was considered the most and the rumors around him and Faith Hill actually having, you know, a relationship were certainly like, that's real shit. You know? Like, this is a real, like, manly type fight. You know? This is what they're fighting about.
It's these chauvinistic type concepts.
Yeah. No. I mean, it it it's exactly like I put 2 bullets in Dan from Knowledge fight. You know? Not because I didn't like him, just because, you know, he was on my turf.
Right? You know? You you he was on my turf, and he didn't call me before Jordan went to Portland. You know? This is just the way nobody likes it.
This is just the way podcasting has to be. There's no other way to do it. You know?
Sorry, man.
There's no other way to do it. Yeah. Yeah. 1 of the NPR guys stabbed me. You know?
That's just the way it is. 1 of those radio lab guys. I'm not gonna tell you which 1. I don't talk except
for I'm
talking now. Snitch.
I know snitch. I'll snitch on Joe Rogan. I'll snitch on Joe Rogan.
Yeah. I'll snitch on Joe Rogan.
Yeah. I'll snitch on
Joe Rogan guys
so fast.
Let me find out some news on him. Mhmm.
So, anyway, not conclusive, but probably pretty safe to say, did he had something to do with the Tupac killing?
At the very least, he influenced it by positively putting Put that word into the hood. Right. Right. If you kill him, there's money on it
for you. Yeah. Exactly. And, you know, obviously, the greater crime in this is the fan art that this whole tragic rivalry has inspired. Speaking specifically, I wrote this episode listening to a bunch of Tupac and Biggie songs.
And while I was you know how YouTube does its thing, and it took me to a playlist some DJ had made that was, like, Tupac and Biggie songs called Biggie versus Tupac. This has nothing to do with the story, but whoever made it did a Photoshop that Sophie's gonna show you, and it's supposed to be, like, split down the middle, Tupac's face and Biggie's face side by side. Yeah. But the way they did it, it just looks like Tupac had a stroke.
Oh my god. I can already
picture it. Yeah. So to to show it off
Okay. I got it.
It just it just looks like Tupac stroked out. It's just like the way, like, Biggie's got kind of those drooping eyes. Not a successful Photoshop, my man. I'm sorry.
Oh my
god. Here's the thing, man.
Just like, you know, just like NWA, you know, the largest consumers of this East Coast, West Coast rap war were suburban white kids. You know? It's like and this is true with even today, like, you get into, like, the Travis Scott stuff. You get into, like, any rap that's like you know, it it is largely consumed by suburban white kids who also I'm sorry, guys. Like, you know, same team or whatever, but you guys could be some of the dumbest, corniest people that exist on the planet.
Like, that is pretty brutal, man. Like, the the doubt like, the
As a suburban white kid who was listening to fucking Biggie when I was 50 Yeah.
Me too. Sorry, guys. Yeah. We just weren't really nailing it. I'm gonna be a gangster 1 day.
Plano fucking tech. God, that was so funny. All the kids who would pretend to be fucking gangsters.
Oh my god, dude. It is the you're just they're a large consumer of
of Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Of the of
that beef. And, also, even today, we're still sitting with this the the Kendrick Drake thing right now that is going on. I don't know how plugged in you are to this.
I've tried to tell
him. It
seems Mhmm.
Yeah. It seems largely egged on by, like, suburban white populace.
No. And I You know? It's Honestly, I'm considering taking some shots at Drake. This seems like the time to do it. You know?
He is. Yeah. He's low.
He's low.
He's low.
He's low. Get some in, and nobody can say anything.
This is gonna be huge for our podcast. Down. So,
punching down on Drake with, you know, whatever, 400,000,000,000 fucking streams on Spotify.
So Sean Puffy Combs at this point has helped to orchestrate half a coast's campaign of assassinations that led to the deaths 2 of the greatest rappers of all time and also some other people. This was a tough period for Diddy though because after Biggie dies, he's successfully gotten rid of 1 of his major competitors at the cost of losing his own golden goose. Sort of. Sort
of. Sort of. He waited a whole Yeah. 2 weeks to release his album.
What I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. So he releases his first hit single in January of 1997. 7.
An album follows in July, which includes a touching tribute to Biggie titled I'll be missing you. That might as well be titled I'll be cashing in on your death.
Although the complaint that you're gonna get from this, people are gonna be like, but he he never cleared the sample, right, from Sting.
Right. Yeah. He samples Sting's every move you take. Right? Some of the Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. The greatest crime. Yeah.
He never clears it, and he to this day, like, Sting collects a pretty big amount of cash off of that. However, don't also forget that this is a time in the world where appearances pay, radio play pays, like, everything pays. This isn't Spotify era where, like, you know, the song being everywhere in the entire world doesn't give you any money even though you're not getting any publishing off of it. Because Yeah. When you record it yourself, you own that that's the master recording.
You own your version of it
Yeah.
For certain things. Right? Mhmm. Publishing is 1 thing. They can take all the publishing, and you still make money off of that song because it plays places.
Yep. So Yep. It's not like it's not like he made no money off of that. That's I just know, like, people are gonna but he didn't cash in on that because Sting gets the public you know? Yeah.
No. It's like there's still money to be made, especially in the nineties. There was still a lot of money to be made off of having a number 1 song
in the country. This is the first rap single to debut at number 1 on the Billboard top 100. Like, he makes a lot of money as a result
of this. This song. He comes out at the VMAs dancing in a white suit. Like like, he it it was actually iconic. Yeah.
It was
actually iconic. Yeah. The Biggie memorial in the background. Oh god. Is dead
friend's huge face? Is he just fucking cash register sounds going off in
his head? And and there is also, real quick, just to backpedal a second, there is a lot of talk about Biggie wanting to leave Puffy's label before this happens. There is interviews with tons of people. Again, unreliable narrator type stuff, but there is a lot of interviews of people saying that Biggie wanted out of his deal with bad boy because he felt like Puffy was taking advantage of him. He felt like he wasn't getting what he should from his music, that he wasn't getting like, I think at the time, like, he was worth, like, maybe $20,000,000 or something like that.
You know? But he was not, like, reaping what he actually should've from nineties era music.
Right.
You know? It's like when you had a banger in nineties era music, you made, like, $50,000,000. It was like an insane amount of money that you could make. Like, if you talk about nineties bands, they were selling they were still selling physical product. It's not like now with streaming and stuff like that.
They were
selling a physical product. So if you had a platinum album in the nineties, you made 25, 30,000,000. If your label didn't screw you, if there were you know, if you weren't getting fucked over, you made, like, 30 or $40,000,000. Like, you made in a tremendous amount of money. There's a lot of there's a lot of conversation about Biggie having known that prior to his death, which also leads to the implication that he may have actually been involved in
Yeah.
Biggie's own death.
Yeah. And we're largely just staying away from that because it's it's not provable, and the stuff that's provable is
For sure.
Honestly a lot worse.
Again, very unreliable narrators everywhere, but it should at least be known that there is the theory out there in the world that that is something that goes on. You know? That that that that happened, and that was what he was part of with that.
Well, that's gonna do it for part 2. Will, you got anything to plug before we roll out?
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It was Yeah.
I don't have many followers on blue sky, but I share some really dark twisted thoughts on there. So, you know, if if you're into that, you can find me there too. I'm sure.
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