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Go back in time and just have, like, about 14 shots. Yeah. So the late 19 nineties is an era in which Bad Boy Records is growing by leaps and bounds, and Diddy is getting rich as fuck. We are talking the insane pile. The cash pile so large that your only option is to either get really into cocaine or start a series of ill conceived small businesses.

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Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. Diddy, I'm sure does both, actually.

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Oh, I had

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2 choices. Oh, Perfect.

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Sit in that failure while I was gonna make a decision to step out of the darkness.

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Oh. And dig into the darkness, buddy.

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He steps out of the darkness to launch a restaurant called Justin. This is named after his oldest son. He starts the first Justin in New York City in 1997, and he franchises it out to Atlanta the following year. The New York location shuts down after about a decade. Sean claims because he wanted to find a larger location, but he just never opens a new 1.

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I think it just failed.

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This is the story of my mom when she said she was gonna build the house on top of the basement that we lived in, and then we just lived in a basement for, like, 8 years. Good times, mom. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah.

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This is Diddy's version of that.

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Now the Atlanta location hangs on a little while longer. It eventually shuts down in 2,012. Why? Here's a summary from an article in BET. In July 2011, Diddy was sued after music executive Tony Austin, a patron of the Atlanta eatery, was shot in the parking lot.

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Austin, former A and R for Def Jam and the president of Russell Simmons Music Group, says he was in his car listening to music with another man when someone opened fire on the vehicle. Austin alleged that the proprietors of Justin's were aware of dangerous and hazardous conditions at the establishment, but failed to provide warning or security.

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Now by the time Justin's opened, Sean had split from Justin's mother to date a model named Kim Porter who gave him his second son. In 1998, he launched a fashion label, Sean John. Sean John. Sean John. Yeah.

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Man.

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And it was the IT brand. You know? That was the shit. It was Boss and Sean John and FUBU, man.

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We can say markedly more successful than his restaurant. Absolutely.

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Also, I need to fact check you on the oldest son thing. He has an adopted son who's older named Quincy.

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Oh, okay. And his adopted son who is older named Quincy.

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Sure.

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Interesting fascinating name. Now that year, the year that he starts Sean John, he is nominated for 5 Grammys. If you wanna know what a Grammy looks like, just look behind Will and Do is right on camera. The light actually went off, I guess,

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but, you know, I wasn't in the mood to turn it back on. I noticed it in an episode half. Got it fucking backlit. Yeah.

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Was the first thing you did with that take a shot out of it? Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

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In fact, I think you know what? To be fair, this is behind the bastards. Look. We should do this on air because, like, you you know, it's, like, how

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What else do you do when you get a Grammy? Yeah. So, also, Drew,

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I need you to understand that when I got this Grammy, I was about to have a kid at the time. I had a

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bad month where my car, the transmission died. It's just about basically, my point is I had, like, maybe, like, $500 in my account. I still

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spent $200 on a bottle of Don Julio.

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Priorities are important in life.

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So that I could take a

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shot out of my Grammy.

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That's right, folks.

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Because that's the only reason to get 1 of these things.

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You did

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it. What kind of, like, did it?

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What kind of person gets this to brag to their friends? No. Like, this is to take shots out of because it's funny. Right?

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And you're not gonna get content like this from the Pod Save America guys. You're not getting it from the bulwark. You're not getting it from last podcast on the left. Only behind the bastards.

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You know? Basically when Elon smoked a blow. And, honestly, maybe Joe Rogan too. Joe Rogan. Yeah.

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You might get

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this on Joe Rogan too.

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Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan. I'm not I'm not gonna lie. Although we would both be racist, and 1 of us have some sex pest crimes behind us.

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You would be trying to convince my listeners to, I don't know, inject bleach into their assholes in order to build muscle mass. Yeah. Eating, like, 600, like, like Yeah.

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Worms or or or was it silkworms specifically?

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Lots of silkworms.

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Yeah. Yep. Eat silkworms for your colon health. You know? It's like everybody

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knows that. Well, I do actually think you should eat more elk. It's delicious.

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Now Elk is delicious here.

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It's very tasty. Now so that year, the same year he opened Sean John, he gets nominated for 5 Grammys. Bad boy pulls in a $130,000,000 in revenue. What year is that? That is 98.

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98. Oh, 98.

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98. 98. Okay. So do you know what Grammys those were

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that he won? That I don't know. I could've looked that up, but I'm a hack and a fraud. Now from this point forward in the story, Sean has infinite money. Right?

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Which he still does, basically. Now as I noted last episode, he'd always had a knack for throwing huge media driven parties. And now that he was actually a major celebrity himself, he kicked things up several notches. 1998 is also the year of his first white party. These were the events where he'd invite piles of celebrities to his mansion in the Hamptons for what inevitably became the big event of the summer.

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And part of it is he becomes, like, the 1st black guy to move into this very rich white neighborhood. The white parties are in part how he kind of makes his neighbors cool with him is like, hey. You're some, like, lame bank CEO. You can be at this party with these cool people.

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Yeah. This is starting to happen in the era of the the Internet. Right? It's like this is 98. This is, like, the beginning of the Internet where, like, being seen with all these different, like, cool hit people that are, like, big because the white parties, you see the pictures of them.

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It's the everybody's of all of entertainment.

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Yeah. And everyone wears white because Diddy thought he looked good in white. And to be honest, like, I don't wanna be complimenting the man, but he doesn't look bad. That's not a bad look for him. That's not a bad

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look for him. Like, legit, it's like a pair of Air Ones, dude. They look good the first time you wear them, and that is white, dude. White is the first time you wear it. It is Yeah.

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The most beautiful, pristine, amazing looking thing. Now Yeah. Then he have lunch. Like, 9:30, 10 PM, that that white starts getting kinda grody. You know?

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Yeah. Like Well, part

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of what I love is you can really see the whole, like, he is you know, part of the point of these parties is for, like, people who are rich, but not very cool to get to feel cool. Look at some of the people below him. Like, that guy in the front. Like, they're just wearing white t shirts. You don't look like a rap star.

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Like, you you get this wild mix of, like, beautiful people. And, also, sometimes beautiful people looking just like normal weirdos at a party, but which I always think is really interesting. You've got, like part of it is because these first white parties are from the era before like, there's no social media, so there's no social media filters. Photoshop tools aren't as easy to use. So you get a lot of shots of famous people actually looking like normal people at a party.

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Like, here's Leo DiCaprio and some other dudes drinking champagne, smoking cigarettes, and, like, not particularly looking like they're crazy rich and famous. Like, that looks like a pretty normal fucking dude there. Yeah. Yeah. And then Sophie's gonna show you next.

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Regis Philbin. Yeah. Hey, Regis Philbin. Of Regis Philbin, and I can only describe the look on his face. He looks like he is smiling like the devil.

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Like, he like like, you would cast him in needful things. He is selling you a cursed Victrola. That's how Regis looks in this photo.

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God.

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And there's a couple other middle aged white dudes in there. 1 of whom is grabbing a young woman's arm in a way that I would say looks kind of off putting to me, but I don't know

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what was going on.

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Is that Vera Wang?

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Is that Vera Wang? The wedding

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dress designer? I can't I don't I can't tell.

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I don't know.

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It's kinda grainy.

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All of these people are rich. Some of them are famous.

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Yeah.

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I don't think that bald guy got famous for being a hip hop star.

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The only poor people at these parties were the people catering it and Yeah. You know?

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And the people being sex trafficking.

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And sex trafficking.

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Look at Regis. Regis is like, I'm

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not talking. He's smiling like the devil.

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Yeah. My hands are too much.

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Can see both of my hands. I ain't fucking up this, what was it? Was it he wants to be a millionaire at this point?

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I wish that we could just really see like, like, if there was, like, guilt aura around every person that existed in this picture, like like, green to red and in a scale of colors. And the redder you are, the guiltier you are as a human being. Because

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Oh, yeah. That's gonna be a fascinating shade above that crowd there. Everyone's gonna have an aura that looks like the drink of the guy on the left, which is red.

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You are just as likely to be completely innocent in 1 of those people.

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And here's the thing.

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As you are to be parties

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complicit in all the bullshit he did.

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There are definitely especially at the end of the after parties, the night parts, which not everyone stays for. There are definitely some sex crimes here. These are not the ditty parties where most of the sex trafficking crimes are happening.

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Should be mentioned.

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But these are 2 different events.

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Like, there's a reason for it. The white parties are his PR. This is where he goes

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to his legitimacy into the rich white community, like the Hamptons and all that bullshit, but also, you know, like, their legitimacy into the black community as well.

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Right. Right. And that is the point of these. And so these are largely less sketchy events for that reason. And it is his, he has another kind of party with another name that we'll be talking about that is where most of it.

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I'm not saying, like, there's no sex crimes happening here. There's definitely drugs. But the fact that someone was at a white party doesn't mean that they committed sex crimes. So I'm not saying Regis Philbin is a sex pest. I don't know Regis.

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Maybe there have been allegations against him. If so, then I guess I am, but I don't know that. But these are his show parties, and he's a lot more careful about what happens here. The other parties, the parties you have heard stories about with the baby oil and the sex crimes are what he called his freak off parties. Like a dance off, but, you know, with your freak.

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Yeah. Get your freak off. Yeah. I shouldn't laugh. They're dark.

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They're dark. The these are the

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sex crime parties. If someone went to a freak off, you should assume they did some bad stuff.

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Yes. In almost every single 1 of these stories, there is a victim. There is very little willing participants of these things. Like, even the people who are willing participants might be coerced willing participants. Yeah.

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It's it's very murky with a lot of the stuff that goes on. It the lot of power

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Blurred lines, you could say. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There and, again, this is definitely the place where we start talking about where blurred lines. The I

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did And people are also just doing lines. Yeah. Yes.

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Yeah. Definitely. He wasn't explicitly making me do this, but I knew that I could not say no type shit. And that is very, very strong in the Diddy story for sure.

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And another big part of it is because there's different gradients of cases. A lot of these people are like, well, yeah. I said yes, and I agreed, and nobody threatened me. But, also, I was there because I had just gotten started in this industry, and I'm in front of the guy who could make my career. And, like, I didn't think I had any other op.

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Like, these are also some of the things that are

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happening. We're into now the beginning of the the Justin Bieber territory, which is, like, very much the Usher situation between Puffy and Usher, and then Usher and Justin Bieber and Justin Bieber and there is a lot of, like, questionable interactions like Justin Bieber spending a weekend at Puffy's house at, like, what, like, 12 years old or something like that. There's, like, some weird activity that happened that at the time we saw it happen, and we were like, Ew. Okay. You know?

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Like but, like, everybody now is definitely able to look at those situation and be like, that's act yeah. No. That's weird. You know? But the nineties.

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Hey. Let's be fair.

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It was the 9 or the nineties. 2000. You know? We're we're talking about Bieber. Probably fine for 12 year old Justin Bieber to be

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at Diddy's house. Who am I to judge?

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Who are we

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to judge? We should have judged. Yeah.

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We should have

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we should have been judging.

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At the white parties, like, the most intense photo I've seen is Sean pouring champagne over what the New York Post describes as 2 unidentified near naked women. It doesn't look nearly as sketchy as they describe it. The Post and a lot of other tabloid coverage of these events does tend towards sensationalism about the wrong things. For example, this piece from September, inside Sean Diddy Combs' Hampton Sex Parties featuring gay rappers who were high on ketamine. And, like, you and I have both been to parties with gay rappers high on ketamine.

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That's not the problem. Yeah. Not at all. Some gay rappers are doing ketamine. That's not what's the issue here.

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Some would say that was the best part of the party. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Those gay rappers probably not committing sex crimes. Not at all. Maybe. Sometimes.

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Yeah.

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You know? But the point is, here's the thing is, like, those those white parties, those were those were press events.

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You don't Exactly.

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Have press at sex crime parties.

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You have

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press at the venue where you're committing sex crimes. Right. Yeah. Unless you unless you, you know, that's part of the blackmail. You

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know? Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. But, like, not that the 2 Venn diagram circles didn't interconnect part without it you know, it's like you don't invite the press to the parties where you're gonna do the bad shit.

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You know? No. Because he's not, again, he's not stupid. That's why he got away with this for so long. Now I'm not sure how seriously take this post article, which has its source as just 1 anonymous Coke dealer, which again, not necessarily the most credible people on the planet, but here's a quote.

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The dealer said Diddy opened the door to his former Hampton's mansion while wearing nothing but a robe and brought him to a back bedroom to make a cocaine deal. Weird shit was starting to happen. Celebrity guys fucking each other. There were back bedrooms, and it was like the inner sanctum. And this dealer talks about it like I lost a lot of respect for those guys.

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He is not talking about the sex. He's talking about, like, just the people having gay sex.

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Gay sex. Yeah.

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Yeah. Famous people fucking each other in a gay way, which is, like, fine. That's not the

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issue here. Like the representatives to be talking about any of this stuff. But, like Yeah. As far as I have ever experienced inside of, like, the

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Yeah.

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Hip hop culture of America, It has only recently become taboo to say the f slur. It's not like that was an insult for most of the 2000. You know? It's like it it did not until, like, 2015 feel like it fell off the radar for that to be part of, like, your Yeah. Insult to another person is that they have gay sex with a person.

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So it's like, I certainly, there is a vested interest in not publicizing this and people not knowing that it exists.

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Could be very dangerous.

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Being a secret

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Yeah.

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Of your because you would be looked at differently, especially at this time. But even now, you would be looked at differently for

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Yeah.

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These types of actions.

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And there's you know, the dealer claims he also saw a mix of female rappers and prostitutes having sex there, and that's kind of where we do get into. Because, again, some of there's probably some trafficking at the white parties. And it's unclear to me is he talking about a white party or a freak off? It's at the Hamptons. A little bit unclear, but we'll get to that later.

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Real quick on that same point, I just wanna say at any event, right, whether you are in fact a prostitute or not, like, there is a certain amount of hiring of females to be at a party to be overly friendly to the people at the party. Right? Yes. It's 1, it's very good to look like there's a lot of beautiful women here Yeah. For sure.

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But also for the people that come to these things, they wanna feel like there's girls that are there that are interested. This happens all the way from the normal Hollywood club type event all the way up to these parties. So it's not like when you talk about the sex trafficking element of all these things. Like, it may be somewhat innocent, but there's always an element of, like, hiring women to be morally available in ways at parties. You know?

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Yeah. Absolutely. Now in 1999, Diddy was arrested on felony charges of assault and criminal mischief. The chain of events began when Diddy was featured in the music video hate me now with Nas. Both Diddy and Nas were crucified on a cross, which Diddy later decided was sacrilegious

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and

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asked to have cut. That's his line. That's his line.

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Crazy. Yes. That's where he calls it, hey, man. Do not portray me as Jesus being crucified on a although I'm not gonna lie. 12 year old me or whatever it was, I thought that was the banginest video I ever seen in my life.

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Like, I remember that coming out, and I remember seeing it. It was on TRL, and I remember my mind being blown. Just like, oh my god. They crucified them? That's so sacrilegious.

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So to be fair, as a Roman Catholic kid growing up in Pennsylvania in the nineties, I did kind of think, yeah, that holy shit that was sacrilegious. Like, perspective is a very important piece of this whole thing. And in the nineties, that was sacrilegious as hell. You know? Like, that was some, like, Marilyn Manson level of sacrilege going on inside of the community.

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Oh, man. So that's what flips him out. And when the he decides, like, hey. Cut this out. And then they air the unedited version anyway.

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And when the version with him being crucified heirs, he blames the president of Interscope Records, Steve Stout, and he bursts into Stout's office with some goons and assaults him with, quote, a chair, a telephone, and a champagne bottle. Scout said of the beating. 1 minute, I'm in the middle of a meeting, and the next minute, I'm down on the floor and Puffy and his guys are kicking and pounding me. 1 of them picks up a chair and throws it at me. Then Puffy throws my desk over, and they just walk out like nothing happened.

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And his stance is I think they were trying to kill me and I just, you know, happen to not die. I don't know. I wasn't there. He seems to say it was very serious. Combs turned himself in a few days later and was charged with felony assault.

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He was freed on $15,000 bail and ultimately pled down to a misdemeanor. His sentence was 1 day of court ordered anger management.

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Oh, great.

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Oh, Jesus. That's what 100 of 1,000,000 of dollars gets you

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in lawyers. Man.

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Yeah. That that's the thing.

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It's like money is the savior of all problems.

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Yeah. Yeah. Nearly all. Like, as with Epstein, you can eventually hit a line. Speaking of hitting a line, my line is it's time for ads.

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And we're back. So 3 months after he assaults this record executive, Combs goes out to a Manhattan nightclub with Jennifer Lopez who he was dating at the time. The couple were partying when someone else at the club insulted Diddy and threatened his protege, a rapper named Shine. A write up in the independent summarizes what happens next in the kind of voice that you usually use for, like, the Israeli military or cops. A dispute ensued.

00:26:21

Shots were fired, and 3 bystanders were injured, including a woman who was shot in the face. Holmes fled in a Lincoln Navigator with J. Lo, his bodyguard, and his driver, along with a stolen gun none of them had a license for as cops found out when they stopped the car. Holmes was found not guilty in March 2001 of 4 counts of illegal possession of a gun and 1 count of bribery after a trial that doubled as a media spectacle. Proving what a force the rapper had become, fans turned up at the courthouse for 7 weeks, and workers at the building upon his acquittal threw open the windows to chant his name and leave him alone.

00:26:56

Must be nice. I mean,

00:26:58

you know, we have this amazing celebrity worship culture in our country. It's just inevitable all the time. Right? It's like they Yeah. We we will no matter who find some sort of martyr or savior or just god in

00:27:10

whatever exists inside celebrity, they we're happy to have that. We're happy to have somebody that we can

00:27:12

they we're happy to have that. We're happy to have somebody that we can go to a courthouse on our day off of work. Yeah.

00:27:20

And cheer when they get off after when they get off. Shooting a woman in the face. Probably shooting someone.

00:27:26

It's 1

00:27:26

of those 1 of the things that's amazing is that, like, if you read that, like, a dispute ensued. Shots were fired. But Yeah. Diddy is so rich at this point that he has become included by journalists in the special exonerative grammatical case that only get normally, it's, like, for cops. Right?

00:27:41

Shots were fired. Someone was hit. There was a gun in the a non registered illegal gun in his possession. Okay.

00:27:51

It's just so

00:27:52

funny, man. Amazing.

00:27:53

Yeah. The whole situation there's there's still a lot of,

00:27:56

like What happened exactly. Yeah.

00:27:57

Yeah. Yeah.

00:27:58

The story gets really convoluted. There's stuff coming out right now about it, you know, that it's been 20 years, and we're still just now getting, like, the pieces that come out about stuff about, like, oh, this actually happened or this person was involved. So it's definitely a bit of, like, you know, lost to time. And the whole concept of how unreliable human beings are at, like, recounting things that have happened to them, even completely sober with no issues, not at a club at 2 o'clock in the morning in New York. You know?

00:28:30

I have clear procedural memories of about 30% of our friendship. Well

00:28:37

It's all flashes. It's like

00:28:39

It's all flashes.

00:28:39

It's moments. It's a polarizing in a

00:28:42

friend parking lot.

00:28:46

Turns out.

00:28:48

So Combs thanked God after the verdict and made a big show of going to church after. To further separate himself from the event, he changed his name officially to p Diddy, telling Vanity Fair, when I changed names, I put periods on those eras. And the p Diddy era. I love that. Got off from a fucking club shooting.

00:29:08

Time to become p Diddy. The p Diddy era was lucrative indeed. He released more albums. He acted in several movies, and he started producing reality television. He, you know, get gets that Ciroc vodka deal.

00:29:21

Right. Yeah. This is Mobile. The Kane era. Right?

00:29:23

Yeah. This is Yeah.

00:29:24

Yep. Making the band.

00:29:26

Yep. Making the band.

00:29:27

In 2002, he won awards for his menswear fashion line. Sean John did cause a minor scandal for him when it was found that the clothing he sold was made in Honduran sweatshops with a terrible record for workers' rights.

00:29:41

It happens, doesn't it? It happens. Yeah. You know, you're gonna you're gonna try and get that that cost

00:29:46

Gotta be some sweatshops. Yeah.

00:29:48

Gonna have to sweatshop. Mhmm.

00:29:50

None of that kept him down for long. In 2004, he performed at the Super Bowl. He started his famous vote or die campaign that election season.

00:29:57

That was huge. If you were a teenager in the nineties, you'd have to solve it. To vote. Yep. T p Diddy was recommending people to you.

00:30:06

Yeah. Money continued to flow by the 100 of 1,000,000. As the Bush years came to an end, p Diddy changed his name yet again. This time dropping the p and becoming just Diddy. Diddy.

00:30:17

His white parties remained infamous social events, but he also held increasing numbers of freak offs. These were not for public consumption and acted as an opportunity for him to provide himself and his celebrity friends with endless young women drugs and young women on drugs. Ew. This brings me to the story of Latroya Grayson who at age 23, won tickets via a radio show to attend a Diddy party. Her only recollections of the event were meeting Mary j Blige, having a drink, and then blacking out because, again, she was drugged.

00:30:48

She has hazy memories of 3 or 4 guys she didn't know taking her out of the room. She woke up in the hospital very ill and vomiting until she was released several hours later. Quote, I left with no shoes on. My shirt was kind of ripped. I noticed all my money was taken out of my purse except for, like, $20.

00:31:06

I got robbed for my money. I had just enough to get back to a motel in a cab.

00:31:10

It's so fucked up. Like, these people are also not wealthy people. They're doing this because they don't have money in

00:31:15

the 1st place. What a contest on the radio.

00:31:18

And then you get robbed anyway?

00:31:21

It's the Disney party. Now she also says she realized afterwards that her vagina was sore. She's not certain what happened because, again, she was drugged.

00:31:30

Drugged. Yeah.

00:31:30

Almost certainly not a good story. Yeah.

00:31:32

But I

00:31:32

don't remember half the things that happened to me yesterday, half sober. You know? Like, Literally, they found baby oil with GHB in it. Like, they weren't fucking around up in that place.

00:31:44

Horrible.

00:31:45

In the wake of all this, I've read a ton of stories of people that have recounted, like, their their situation, and so many of them, like, induced with drugs in the most despicable ways, the unexpected ways, the not even drinking ways. Like, the I had a soda ways. You know? Like, not crossing even a boundary of alcohol. You know?

00:32:11

And it's so it's like to see this shit happen to people, it's it's like it's it's targeted and mean and shitty. It's like it's it's just like, yes, it's evil. It is evil. I'm not a god person, but it's evil. It's like going after people that that are just living normal lives and trying to

00:32:30

survive. Won a contest.

00:32:34

Won a contest to hang

00:32:35

And this is what

00:32:36

and this is how and this is how it ended. Like, that's Yeah. Disgusting vile evil.

00:32:42

Yeah. It's it's it's horrible. It's like the type of shit that you're like, what the fuck?

00:32:45

And I'm not done with the story, unfortunately. I'm gonna read next from an article on MSN. After the incident, Grayson flew back to her home state Oklahoma, and he claims to have received an unsettling phone call the next day in which a female allegedly attempted to dissuade Grayson from speaking up regarding the ordeal. She recounted the anonymous woman's warning. She had all my information and was basically telling me that I couldn't do anything about it.

00:33:09

That Puff Daddy was a famous person and I wouldn't get anywhere with the issue if I tried to do anything. Puzzled, Grayson queried, so I'm like, well, how did you even get my phone number? Do you know anything about my money being missing? She's like, no. I don't know nothing about that.

00:33:23

I'm like, well, I mean, how did you even get my phone number?

00:33:27

Brutal, man. It it's just so dark, dude. This type of manipulation, the power dynamic. As someone who has been in the industry, right, it's like even people that

00:33:40

You're like a teenager, 20 year old girl, whatever from fucking Oklahoma with no money, and he is goddamn p dib.

00:33:46

Let let

00:33:46

me let me put this in perspective for people for real. Like Yeah. Alright. I was going into the music industry. I was a 26 year old male, 6 foot tall, £185 in the pretty decent shape.

00:34:00

You know? With combat experience.

00:34:02

Because I was an ex marine with combat experience who had been shot 28 times. I felt pressure from people at times. I felt pressured to do things that I didn't wanna do at times. You know? Yeah.

00:34:18

So in perspective of, like, being just like a naive person trying to get into the music industry, like young, like like, no real harsh life experience, it is easy to see that you could be asked to do something, be put in positions as

00:34:35

you wanna

00:34:35

don't wanna be in, and how far people will make you go just because you're afraid, because you're, like, actually believe that. Like Yeah. You have power that I don't understand.

00:34:46

And we're talking about the people who know something was done to them and who have spoken out about it. For every 1 of these, not only either, obviously, there are people who haven't spoken up, but there are also people who may be years away from, like, actually coming to grips with no. Actually, that was bad. That was, like, really fucked up what happened. I was I I even thought about it as, like, a good thing for a while or at least, like, a mixed thing, bag form, but, like, no.

00:35:07

That was actually really like, there's people coming to terms with that right now still.

00:35:11

Yeah. Absolutely.

00:35:13

Grayson is not yet part of any of the ongoing lawsuits against Sean, but her case represents the edge of how women were victimized at his events. Right? And that she's not entirely sure what happened or even if she was sexually assaulted because, again, drugged. But the well lit photos full of celebrities existed for 1 purpose, to burnish Sean's image in order to keep his famous and wealthy friends happy and to sate his own desires. He also had to bring in as you stated, all of these young women to be at the to act as party favors.

00:35:40

Right? That's how we bring you have these radio contests. Some of them are paid sex workers. Some of them are women. Okay.

00:35:47

You've just gotten started in your career, you know, in the music industry or as a model. You're at a low level in it right now. Why don't you, like, come over to this party? You know? Like, why don't you, you know and then and then you get there, and then you get coerced.

00:36:00

Some of the women at these parties are paid sex workers, but many of them are like, great. The women are being poached in 1 way or another. Right? There's a different method for all of them, and that means Diddy's not handling this himself. He has a team of people who are using different methods constantly to find women because these parties are happening constantly.

00:36:17

Seventies equivalent of the roadie who picks the girls out of the concert, you know, that look like they're down

00:36:23

type shit.

00:36:24

Then work at the company Sophie and I run. Their job is just to keep young women coming to these parties. Absolutely. Spending god knows how many 1,000,000 of dollars a year on just that part of it.

00:36:34

Right.

00:36:34

And it shows even when he was busted in Florida, I believe, it was like he had a drug mule with him at the time. It was like he was always employing people to be the bad guy in the situation.

00:36:46

Right.

00:36:46

You have someone right ahead of you with the drugs. Yeah.

00:36:48

Yes. You give that shit to somebody else. That's their problem. If they get caught you have accepted. You are the 1 that goes to jail.

00:36:57

You say, yes. This is mine, and you go to jail. That's the accepted position of that person for sure.

00:37:03

Yeah. Precious Muir, a former Playboy model, was 1 of the women who attended a number of his parties. She claims that he provided a car service to drive models to and from the events, and that Diddy had agents basically picking women out in public and plying them with invites. She summarized the pitch 1 of these guys gave her as, I host these amazing parties. Everything is taken care of.

00:37:24

You don't have to worry about anything. We provide accommodations. So when you go to the Hamptons, there is a house you can stay at, which is very beautiful, very lavish, very stylish, and you don't have to worry about anything. You don't have to pay for anything. Everything is covered.

00:37:35

At the time she started attending, Precious was new to the industry without power or connections. Being invited to these parties seemed like the opportunity of a lifetime. You can impress these guys, make your career, and then you're just kind of as she said, we were kind of thrown in at the deep end amongst all these people that are well established. People automatically knew that we were new faces. We were new talent, and we were vulnerable.

00:37:56

We were seen maybe as fresh meat.

00:37:58

The power of influence, the power of, like, being able to change your life in a moment.

00:38:03

Oh, yeah.

00:38:04

You know? Like, we have a 1,000 of these stories. We have a 1,000 of bone thugs in the studio. 1 woman came in and sang the hook, and it was the moment of her like, that's the thing that keeps that shit going is the dream.

00:38:17

If you're in entertainment, I can say, like, when I was new in my career, if I had had to do something horrible for myself and my brain and body in order to get a break as a writer when I was a baby writer. Right. Like, I thought about it. Like, I I was like, yeah. I'll do anything.

00:38:34

Right? Like, that's where your head is if you're trying to break in, and that's what that's why so much bad stuff happens. Right?

00:38:40

Like It's the hardest I mean, the reward is so great. Right? The reward of being, like, at the top of this industry is so great that it is really hard to deny that there is, like when you want it that bad. Right? You you want it bad enough to put in 80 hours, a 100 hours a week doing it.

00:38:58

Yeah. Right? You also want it bad enough to, like, cross some lines every now and then.

00:39:04

Yeah. You know?

00:39:04

And it's difficult to

00:39:06

Yeah. It doesn't matter. Like, what happens to me? Right. Yeah.

00:39:09

Right. Right. Everybody goes through that thing. It's like, okay. I'm fine as long as it just fucks me up.

00:39:15

Right? Like, that's really the thing. It's just gonna fuck me up. Like, I I can take some some trauma.

00:39:21

Yeah. Yeah.

00:39:21

I can take some trauma. That, dude, everybody that's been in this industry for real Yeah. Knows that. It's fine if it's fucking me. Now I have had my own moments of, like, no.

00:39:30

No. No. I won't watch you fuck somebody else up.

00:39:32

Yeah.

00:39:33

You know?

00:39:33

Yeah. And I won't watch you do this to another person.

00:39:36

Yeah. And the the problem is that there's just so many people who don't have that line.

00:39:41

Right? Of course. Yeah. The line is also, I'll let you fuck me up. You know?

00:39:46

Like, I'll let you ruin me.

00:39:48

Yeah.

00:39:48

And so it's like, as long as no 1 else is seeing that, it's okay. Yeah. Yeah.

00:39:52

Yeah. So because of the nature of how the lawsuits are coming out over this, I have no choice but to jump around. So I'm just going to say right now, in February of 2024, a record producer named Rodney Jones junior filed a federal complaint against Sean accusing him of running a human trafficking network to stalk his parties with women and girls. From a write up in Vulture, according to Jones as he alleges in the complaint, Combs reached out to Jones in 2022 to help him produce songs, but Jones claims the work Combs required of him went far beyond producing music. He claims in the lawsuit that he was tasked with procuring drugs and soliciting sex workers to perform sex acts for the pleasure of mister Combs.

00:40:30

Jones alleges that Combs also required him to tape these sex acts and that Combs would often threaten to inflict bodily harm on him if he did not comply with his demands. Jones alleged in his complaint that Combs kept specific bottles of alcohol designated for females on hand. And according to mister Jones, mister Combs forced all the women to drink laced De Leon liquor. Upon information and belief, mister Combs laced the liquor with ecstasy, the lawsuit claims. He also accuses Combs of sexual harassment and assault for allegedly grabbing him without his consent and forcing him to work while Combs paraded around naked.

00:41:02

Jones also alleges that Combs once left him alone in a makeshift studio on a yacht with Cuba Gooding Junior.

00:41:08

Gooding Junior. Goddamn it. I have been twitching with anticipation

00:41:12

to talk about Cuba Gooding Junior. Comes in.

00:41:14

Goddamn it. Cuba Gooding Junior. Oh my god, dude. The fucking Cuba Gooding g if you start to know

00:41:21

He gropes the guy, folks.

00:41:23

He is the worst. Cuba Gooding Junior. I did.

00:41:26

I I if you are watching on YouTube right now or whatever, I'm What else is going

00:41:30

on in your life, Cuba?

00:41:31

Bit twitching, waiting for Cuba Gooding Junior's name to come out

00:41:35

of your mouth because goddamn Cuba Gooding Junior, the disgusting piece of shit.

00:41:40

Fucked up.

00:41:41

Cuba Gooding Junior. Every read spend 10 minutes of your life and read about what Cuba Gooding Junior did to this guy. Mhmm. And and then follow that up with a cursory. I mean, the least the the smallest he's done.

00:41:55

Google search. Of anything else he's done, that guy is the biggest piece of shit that has ever existed.

00:42:02

Ever wondered, like we all did for a period of time, after he won that Oscar, why hasn't he been him thing? Because he's a fucking monster.

00:42:08

Because he's a monster. Yeah. Because he's a fucking monster. I this is my Hannibal Buress Bill Cosby moment. Fucking Cuba Gooding junior is a monster, and we need to elect laws and federal goddamn statutes against this person.

00:42:24

He is a horrible human being, and and what he has done to the world is disgusting. Take the sanctions off

00:42:31

of Cuba, the country, and put them off of onto Cuba, the guy.

00:42:34

Immediately. We got it. Immediately.

00:42:36

You know who he did play, though?

00:42:39

Radio?

00:42:40

He played fucking OJ Simpson in

00:42:42

that movie. Play OJ. And to be honest, it he was killing me. He played

00:42:47

OJ in in in the TV show where Ross from Friends plates Robinette. Right. Right. Right.

00:42:52

1 of your favorite things.

00:42:54

1 of

00:42:54

my favorite things. Cheers. Cheers. Dude, it breaks my heart every time I think about that thing because, like,

00:43:00

oh, god. Cuba Gooding Jr is a horrible human being. He did horrible things.

00:43:04

Yeah. And somehow Knocks it out of the park as OJ.

00:43:09

Knocks it out

00:43:09

of the park.

00:43:10

No. But, like, has managed to evade

00:43:12

all of this puppy, like, shit.

00:43:14

Hopefully, that's coming to an end now because stuff about him more stuff is coming out about him. You know, we could talk more about q, but I think we've we've made our point here.

00:43:22

He'll get his own episode. Give it time.

00:43:25

Yeah. Combs' lawyers have denied the allegations and described Jones as a con man. Subsequent allegations and the federal indictment against Combs seem to back up a number of the allegations made by Jones. A few months before Jones filed that complaint in February, in December of 2023, a Jane Doe filed a lawsuit in Manhattan alleging that she was gang raped and trafficked by Combs and Bad Boy Records president Harvey Pierre when she was in the 11th grade. No.

00:43:51

These allegations comport with the scenario precious mirror described in her interview with the mirror. Apparently, Pierre met this 11th grader at a lounge in Detroit and used Diddy's name to draw her in. Holmes then approached and told her, hey. You're welcome on my private jet, which was flying to his studio. Once they were there, she was given lots of drugs and, quote, gang raped by Combs, Pierre, and an unknown third person.

00:44:15

There are a lot of other hideous tales that I'm leaving

00:44:18

out because we

00:44:19

don't you you know. I think that term gang rape

00:44:22

gets to the cross. This is a story that repeats itself dozens and dozens of times across every single

00:44:28

1 of

00:44:28

the nation too. To the point where it starts to be like, oh my god. We missed Jimmy Savile for, like Yeah. 60 years. We didn't see it.

00:44:36

He's getting his episode soon too. Don't you worry.

00:44:39

We missed it all. Oh, man.

00:44:42

Turns out we almost always do.

00:44:44

Yeah. Yeah. We miss it a lot of times, turns out. Yeah. We're not as brilliant as we think we are.

00:44:49

The rumors abounded. There was tons of it. How like Oh, yeah. You hear it all the time, but you just make, like, you make the decisions to keep yourselves out of those situations.

00:45:01

Smaller scale just being you know, I I've been in comedy. I was a jace. I was never a big stand up guy, but, like, I did a little and a lot of my friends did. I went out to regular events as I was employed in comedy. And, like, you just get told by people.

00:45:13

You meet someone, and they'll be like, oh, we should hang out. And then someone else would be like, don't hang out with him.

00:45:17

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's Don't don't don't hang out with that guy.

00:45:19

He didn't usually usually a woman that you work with who will say, like, that guy's a piece of shit. You don't wanna

00:45:24

know him.

00:45:24

Right. That guy's a piece of shit. You don't wanna know him. That guy's a piece like, that you know?

00:45:28

Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. And I said that earlier too.

00:45:31

It's like that old crusty dude that's like, hey, man. Don't work with that guy. You know? Yeah.

00:45:34

Yeah. You don't wanna be near that.

00:45:36

Stories for a long time before you're ever asked to do the things, you know. And, like but the problem comes when you don't hear the stories. You know, the problem comes when you are new to town and you're the first person to sit down and

00:45:49

Yep.

00:45:49

And somebody's like, hey, man.

00:45:51

Fucking Oklahoma. Right? And getting flown in.

00:45:53

Yeah. All you know is the reputation of that person that exists in the tabloids or on the Internet. You don't know the story about, hey, man. Don't go to those parties because it's not good. You know?

00:46:05

Bad shit. In 2006, Diddy's long time partner Kim Porter gave birth to twins. That was the same year that a friend gave birth to his daughter Chance. Kim considered this a betrayal and broke things off with Diddy. While all this was going on, he was also starting a quote unquote relationship with a young woman named Cassandra Ventura.

00:46:24

He had signed her to his label at age 19 and started a sexual relationship with her shortly thereafter. He was 37 at the time. It was Cassandra's allegations against him that would eventually open the floodgates of legal consequences for Diddy. But before we get to that, I'm gonna quote from the independent summarizing just a series of his trials in the mid aughts. 8 months after his 2014 Howard commencement speech, TMZ reported that he punched Drake in a Miami nightclub because of a feud over a song, which in a rare case for these episodes, points for Diddy on that.

00:46:57

Yeah. 6 months later, he was arrested and charged in California with 3 counts of assault with a deadly weapon, 1 count of making terrorist threats, and 1 count of battery after allegedly attacking 1 of his sons' football coaches at UCLA. The assault reportedly involved a kettlebell, but prosecutors ultimately decided not to pursue the bloody charges.

00:47:18

Because his son, Justin Yeah.

00:47:20

Tried to play

00:47:20

by the way, so

00:47:21

he's not big enough to play football. But, like,

00:47:23

oh my god.

00:47:24

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And we're back and finishing up the epic tale.

00:51:58

The epic tale of Gilgamesh and p. Diddy.

00:52:01

Are we gonna get into the Cassie stuff stuff now?

00:52:03

We are. We're gonna get into the Cassie stuff

00:52:05

now. Oh god.

00:52:06

Yes. Cassie who was for a while, he's in Kedoo. If we're doing the Gilgamesh anyway, whatever. Let's talk to Sandra. After his split from Kim Porter, she was the woman largely seen as Diddy's public partner.

00:52:18

Right? She was a singer and a model in her own right Super talented. Yeah. Very talented. The 2 are generally depicted in media as like a power couple.

00:52:26

Right? Sure. In a civil lawsuit filed earlier this year, miss Ventura claims that from the beginning, Sean used his wealth and power to force her into a quote, manipulative and coercive romantic and sexual relationship. He assaulted her constantly beating and kicking her and regularly leaving quote, black eyes, bruises and blood. Cassandra describes his freak offs in her lawsuit and alleged that he would often secretly film the days of debauchery with his famous friends.

00:52:52

The videotapes doubled as fuel for extortion if anyone crossed him which is part of why his social circle was so loyal and so quiet for so long. Right? He has videos of them doing the crimes. Again, the movie don't blink really does cover a lot of this. And as a bonus, has Christian Slater, and that's never a bad time.

00:53:11

Yeah. Christian Slater is amazing, man.

00:53:13

He's fucking great. Yeah. I love him, dude. I love that guy. Yeah.

00:53:16

Yeah.

00:53:16

It's dark, man. It it like, this Yeah. I do you talk about the fact that Kim Porter also dies? Do we do that?

00:53:23

Yes. At age 47. That hasn't happened yet, though. I mean, it's happened. A lot of,

00:53:28

like, where it gets to the point where it's like, god, dude. Like, the people around you

00:53:33

so many things.

00:53:34

Yeah. There's just too many things. The Kid Cudi explosion, like, of his car where he says

00:53:39

his car. Yes. Yes. Yes. The Kid Cudi.

00:53:41

Yes.

00:53:41

There's so many things that you're like, oh my god, dude. You are a bad person.

00:53:46

Yes.

00:53:46

You're a bad person. There's something bad about you, and I just like, every person has a, oh, did you ever work with this guy type story? It's like it's it's 1 of those, like, badges of honor almost sometimes where you're in the industry where it's like, oh, yeah, man. I spent a week with Diddy, man. You know, it was crazy, man.

00:54:03

Speaking of which, let's talk about the Kid Cudi story because you hear about this first in 2,012. Gossip blogs report that Cassie who was dating Kid Cudi at the time and Diddy had had a fight in a club. And now in the lawsuit, Cassie claims that Diddy, quote, blew up a man's car after he learned he was romantically interested in Ventura. And here's my favorite quote. This is from the salon.com article.

00:54:26

The New York Times said through a spokesperson that Kid Cudi confirmed Cassie's account that his car exploded in his driveway. This is all true, he said.

00:54:34

Oh my god.

00:54:35

Yeah. Just a car explosion.

00:54:37

Yeah.

00:54:37

No way to say who did it. Yeah.

00:54:39

Man, who knows?

00:54:40

I I was pissing this 1 dude off, and sometimes shit happens.

00:54:45

So sometimes shit happens.

00:54:47

Also, like, but he's cool.

00:54:48

Yeah. I I don't know anything about him, but he's cool, and he has 1 less car than he would otherwise have. We can say that for sure.

00:54:55

So true, Robert.

00:54:56

From The New York Times. Quote, Cassie in her lawsuit said that mister Combs directed frequent freak offs at high end hotels around the country, directing her at the events to pour excessive amounts of oil on herself and tell her where to touch the prostitutes while he filmed and masturbated. We're not gonna, like, go into a ton of detail about the massive amount of baby oil, but there's a lot of

00:55:16

it.

00:55:16

Some of it's drug. This is how it's being used.

00:55:19

There was a reason why they confiscated, like, a 1000 bottles of baby

00:55:23

oil from

00:55:23

a Literally a 1000 bottles.

00:55:24

It was

00:55:24

like it was like, there's a reason why that that happened, and there was absolutely

00:55:28

To the point where Costco had to come out and be like, dog, we don't we don't sell that shit. Yeah. We don't sell that shit. We are not in on that shit.

00:55:35

The only reason I can think of to drug it is because you are getting it inside people in their mucus membrane. Yes.

00:55:42

Absolutely. Yeah.

00:55:43

Like, fucking MDMA or whatever isn't going to absorb

00:55:46

things. Bodily, but it's

00:55:48

someone's vagina. And so, again, like, just it's hideous. Right? Yeah. Like, we don't need to belabor that point.

00:55:53

I think you you get it. Right? Cassie says in her lawsuit, he treated the forced encounter as a personal art project, adjusting the candles he used for lighting to frame the videos that he took.

00:56:05

Frozen. He's an auteur of

00:56:08

sex crimes. Yeah. I wonder if he and FC'd ever partied. They certainly had the opportunity.

00:56:13

I don't know, but Trump's the common link, which is hilarious because it's a yeah. Of course, you say Diddy is a great guy. He's my friend, and also you're best friends with Epstein.

00:56:23

Yeah. Yeah. In 2018, Kim Porter passes away. The cause of death was initially listed as deferred, but it was later confirmed that she died of pneumonia. Right.

00:56:34

And and and There's a lot of conspiracy theories. Conspiracy talk. It it there's a lot of

00:56:39

people.

00:56:40

But Yeah. But to be fair, I know King Combs posted this

00:56:43

Christian.

00:56:44

Son yeah. Christian.

00:56:45

Christian Combs.

00:56:45

He posted that there has never been any question amongst the children that that that his dad is still

00:56:51

doing anyway. Die sometimes.

00:56:53

Yes. It's absolutely reasonable to say that people do, in fact, just die sometimes.

00:56:57

But, yeah, again, people have also said maybe that death should be looked into and probably not a bad idea. Take a look. Take a look.

00:57:04

JFK's head just exploded. Yeah. It's like, I don't know

00:57:07

if you

00:57:07

know that. He just did just did that.

00:57:10

Christians just do that sometimes. Sometimes. It's a it's a preexisting condition.

00:57:14

Yeah. Preexisting.

00:57:16

In 2000 17, Diddy changed his name yet again. He told the world he would now go by love or brother love. And apparently Yeah.

00:57:24

Nobody knows this now.

00:57:25

A lot of people miss this era.

00:57:27

Knew this. I fucking knew this.

00:57:29

This is the Snoop Lion era

00:57:31

of Diddy. Yeah. Yeah. He legally changes his name because love is his legal middle name. He tells Vanity Fair at the time, love is a mission.

00:57:39

I feel like that's 1 of the biggest missions that will actually shift things. But besides that, we, the world, is different. We have the Internet. We have the power. We have a culture.

00:57:49

I have us on a 5 year plan.

00:57:51

First off

00:57:52

Oh, yeah.

00:57:52

Fucking talking like Stalin there. 2nd, that was more than 5 years ago. How'd the plan work out? Diddy?

00:57:59

Yeah.

00:57:59

Yeah. Not anymore loving?

00:58:01

Did you

00:58:01

fix it?

00:58:02

Nailed it.

00:58:03

Oh, man. Good job, bro.

00:58:06

Fucking Joseph Diddy Baria. Fucking hell. Now during this period, Diddy's public image remained mostly benign in articles from

00:58:15

You know he named his, like, youngest baby Love. Right?

00:58:18

Yes. He did.

00:58:19

Yeah. He's

00:58:19

It happens with famous people. You've seen it with Elon Musk and x. You know? Yeah. Just name your kids something else.

00:58:27

I don't care what you name your kid. What is wrong

00:58:29

with his kid, man? Yeah. Steve works okay. Hans. You know?

00:58:33

Yeah. Why we gotta be weird about everything?

00:58:37

Yeah. Now in articles from the time he was feted as a genius producer and interviewer seemed happy to ignore the numerous assault allegations that way, you know, we're kind of in the shadows, but not too shadowy to have found and the very public fact that he had definitely killed people through negligence and had them murdered. He even managed to avoid me too entirely. In fact, in that interview, he tells Vanity Fair the movement inspired him and, quote, showed me you can get maximum change.

00:59:04

Goddamn it. Goddamn it.

00:59:06

Say a word about his friend Weinstein that he'd been fucking looking for a project

00:59:10

with for 7 years. I mean, honestly, sometimes people are fucking out there doing the, you know, dodgeball equivalent of making it through life. Yeah. You know? Just like, you can't get

00:59:20

beat. He must have felt like, dodged that bullet. Clearly, it's clean sailing from

00:59:25

here on out. Which is crazy because, I mean, Sofia backed me on this. The the Danny DeCain stuff, they talked about a lot of shit that he did.

00:59:32

Yeah. So much.

00:59:33

Super adjacent. Yeah. You know? It's like never sexual assault, but Yeah. Super adjacent.

00:59:39

Yeah. I

00:59:39

talked to Robert about this because I

00:59:41

1 of the first people

00:59:42

Aubrey O'Day.

00:59:43

Yeah. Aubrey O'Day comes out for years, like, at least a couple of years saying, I don't think she sees or has evidence. And, obviously, you don't wanna casually, before all this breaks, call him a ception. He has a lot of money. He's hurt.

00:59:57

She's back.

00:59:57

Yeah. Vocal about him for so many years.

01:00:01

She did everything she could.

01:00:02

But, also, she said Don Junior was her

01:00:05

soulmate, so people, like, really stopped taking her. Right. And, like, and, like, had an affair

01:00:05

with him.

01:00:09

People, like, really stopped taking her Right.

01:00:09

And, like, and, like, had an affair with him. There's, like, a lot of stuff there. So people didn't believe her, but she was fucking right.

01:00:14

Yeah.

01:00:15

Yeah. I think 1 of

01:00:15

the most direct things she said in 2022 in an interview on the call her daddy podcast, she said that Diddy had fired her because she, quote, wasn't willing to do what was expected, not talent wise, but in other areas. Mhmm. Right? Right?

01:00:28

Mhmm.

01:00:28

Brutal. Brutal. Brutal. Brutal. Brutal.

01:00:31

Brutal. Very clear what that means.

01:00:33

Yeah. And here's another quote from an article. Again, this is before getting breaks and varieties. It's 2019 called Aubrey O'Day is still recovering from making the band PTSD and making the band is the reality show that didn't make

01:00:45

them suffered so much. It's so horrible.

01:00:48

Puff is a very difficult person to work with. Everything had to be perfect. I remember times where he looked at my toenails and was like, what is your 3rd toenail doing? Go get that shit fixed before you walk into a room, or we would be in rehearsals

01:01:04

fucking edge you.

01:01:06

I would walk in for 5 minutes with a camera and say, Aubrey, why are you sweating? You look like a wet dog. You're the hot 1. So you think anyone wants to see that? And, again, this is all pretty minor next to all the horrible sections.

01:01:18

Yeah. But, like, he's a dick too. Yeah.

01:01:19

It's like you understand. It's like somebody that will go to the lengths of, like, fucking with your 3rd toe. Right. He's like the type of person that will make you feel Power. Worst about who you are.

01:01:29

Yeah. Yeah. It's like and and No.

01:01:31

Guys, listen. I distinctly remember a clip from that show where all of them were presented to him, and he, like, went 1 by 1 critiquing their personal appearance. And the the things he said were just Yeah. He's horrific. Yeah.

01:01:47

Yeah. Yeah. Horrific and inhumane. Yeah. But, specifically, that story is crazy because, like, Aubrey, like, basically, you could even see it in her, like, morphed into, like, whatever was asked of her, and then he'd tear that down too.

01:01:59

So, you know To

01:02:01

devil's advocate this stupid situation because I hate to do it. But, like Yeah. I've been on the I've been in reality shows. For some reason, when you wanna, like, hire somebody to pretend to be an engineer in a reality show because all these people wanna be musicians, like, I get hired to do these, like, stupid reality shows to play myself in a reality show. And so I've had these situations where I see the way it actually goes down.

01:02:24

And and it is absolutely people pushing the worst narrative. But here's the thing that I think that is really important to understand about it is that some people, their worst is not that bad. You know? Like, in comparative speaking, it's like you see them do these, like like like, oh, they're trying to ham it up for TV, and they're not really good at being, like, mean people. Right?

01:02:45

You can feel the difference between somebody who's capable of actually coming up with shit that makes people feel horrible about themselves. You know? Like, to really, like, be a shitty person towards somebody. And that's the type of thing that you see in this where it's like, man, to, like, attack your toes, like, the way your toes look, to attack, like, these, like, arbitrary things, they know that that's something that cuts deep on a person that makes them second guess themselves, like, deep inside themselves. You know?

01:03:12

Yep. Yep. Absolutely. So about 5 years after saying that he was inspired by me too, f in that article for Vanity Fair, Cassandra came forward with her lawsuit, and she was joined very quickly in a flood of lawsuits. Not all of the people's charging Sean with sexual assault are women.

01:03:30

We have mostly focused on that, but I wanna be very clear that he is alleged of assaulting men too, not just through Cuba. 1 man currently incarcerated in Michigan for kidnapping and criminal sexual conduct himself says that Diddy drugged and raped him in Detroit in 1997. A judgment was briefly issued on that case, but Diddy's lawyers, because they hadn't appeared in court, unclear to me what happened. You know? But, like, that's not the only allegation of him abusing a man too.

01:03:55

Right? I just wanna be clear about that. There's just less of it.

01:03:58

Yeah. It's damn near 5050 on the ratio on this. It's like it's pretty even. He he seems to be an equal opportunity sexual assaulter.

01:04:07

And he's got famous friends who are gay and creeps. Yeah.

01:04:11

And there's also just, like, so many, like, allegedly things that have happened that, like, obviously, we can't comment as facts right now, but, like, as this trial proceeds, I'm sure a lot more will come out, but there's a lot of grooming allegations as well.

01:04:26

And to be very fair, it would be irresponsible to not mention the amount of people that would jump on a situation because they are themselves shitty people that will, like, jump on something. Oh, this happened to me because they see the wave, and it will give them a tiny bit of respect or money or whatever the fuck. But without a doubt, there is act allegations that exist inside of this that are Yeah. Horrifying and real. Yeah.

01:04:57

You know?

01:04:58

So there are so many of these allegations that we we're not gonna cover more of them. Right?

01:05:02

Yeah. We've done it 7 parter.

01:05:04

I think

01:05:05

this gives you a pretty good understanding of him. And the fact that I've cut out allegations, which I've cut out, like, 2 for everyone I've included says nothing about the legitimacy of those. It's just a space thing. I should say a bit here about Christina Korram, k h o r r a m. She was Combs' chief of staff and is a codefendant in the Jones lawsuit.

01:05:22

We talked about the lady from Oklahoma who was, like, brought into a party and drugged and possibly sexually assaulted and then called by a woman afterwards and threatened. I think there's a decent chance that was Christina Coram. Jones claims that Coram bought a lot of the drugs and actually handled the booking and paying of sex workers for Combs' parties. She was his Gillan Maxwell, in other words. And, also, it's worth noting again, I keep bringing up that movie that I didn't appreciate as much until this all came out, blink twice.

01:05:50

The woman who is or there's, like, an older woman who is, like, the creepy sex CEOs, like like, fixer, and I she's Christina Coram. That's who I didn't realize how directed was.

01:06:01

There is always somebody who is adjacent and willing to use their vulnerabilities with people, you know, their ability to access the vulnerability of people. You know? Yeah. That that makes you feel like, oh, it's a woman. I I don't have to worry about what the there was always 1 of those.

01:06:19

There is always 1 of those every single time.

01:06:21

Yeah. And that's Christina Coram in this story. We'll see what happens to her. Sean Puffy Combs was arrested on September 16, 2024, several months after the FBI raided his LA mansion and seized firearms, illegal drugs, and more than a 1000 bottles of baby oil. Holmes has denied all charges and plead not guilty.

01:06:40

More recently, a judge declined to set bail for him, noting that he still posed a danger to the community.

01:06:46

He's been

01:06:47

denied bail, like, once a week. Motherfucker tries to get out once a week.

01:06:50

Yeah. He's in the same part of the jail.

01:06:53

Very recently, there's been all sorts of allegations of him, you know, stealing phones or bribing other inmates to let him use their phone time and, like, to intimidate witnesses specifically. Like, he's already in jail trying to run shit from what they say. So it's like it's not like he's just chilling out in there being calm. He is absolutely still trying to run an intimidation game from inside prison.

01:07:18

Yep. And that's the episode, everybody.

01:07:21

Well, you know, I feel really good about money. Time to go party.

01:07:27

Yeah. I just I

01:07:28

just wanna make a lot of money so I can do anything I want. I don't know, man.

01:07:32

I'm with you. I think

01:07:33

I think we just we build an empire, take it to the FDA. We really do it to the FDA. Yeah.

01:07:40

And that'll save us, you know, and our reputations. We'll die historic, you know, in a gunfight with the FDA.

01:07:47

That's all I

01:07:48

want to do. Go down. Yeah. So all I want to

01:07:50

do is because they say you only die when the last person that remembers your name

01:07:55

Mhmm.

01:07:55

Dies. You know? It's like And

01:07:57

every 1 of those FDA agents has gotta remember us forever.

01:08:00

Children. All of their children's children. Uh-huh. They'll never forget.

01:08:06

Yep. Now we're gonna have to start selling supplements first, Will.

01:08:09

Oh my god. Oh my god. Do you know

01:08:13

what's funny to me, man? Every time I post on TikTok, people will be like, man, you would really like this behind the bastards

01:08:21

pun. Really?

01:08:23

And I always every time I looked with him. Do I ever? You know, I know that guy.

01:08:32

So funny.

01:08:33

Yep. Yep. So this has been Behind the Bastards, a podcast about a guy I almost named to go for. It has

01:08:40

been a fantastic time. I appreciate the shit out of you, man. Thank you so much. Appreciate

01:08:46

you too, Will.

01:08:46

Let me hang out and and and get very drunk.

01:08:50

Yeah. Get extremely drunk while listening to somebody that made me feel icky.

01:08:55

Cool. Yeah.

01:08:56

That's the podcast experience.

01:08:58

I hope getting at home or drunk or something too, anybody, and godspeed.

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Robert is joined again by Wil Anspach to conclude our 3 part series on Diddy.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.