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For the album you win that Grammy before the album Michael by Killer Mike. My audience will also know you as the other person in that story where I had a light bulb fight in Santa Monica.
Oh, man. Amazing times. Good times.
You and
I had some adventures. Yeah.
And you know what's cool is, like, I I mean, you know, I'm gonna have my best etiquette today because I am a Behind the Bastards fan. Because I, you know, I listen to this show because it's like hanging out with my friends still, you know. It's like it's like every day that we've ever been together is like like Robert gets some, like, hey, man. You guys you guys ever heard that story about the Egyptian guy? No.
Tell me more.
Tell me more about this fucked up dude.
And we had a lot of conversations about when we were going to introduce you to, the behind the bastards audience. And I I have made a request for 3 separate topics, and I have never told people those 3 topics that I have requested Robert to write about. But 1 of them is today, and, I desperately wanted you on these episodes. So I'm Yes. Very, very excited about this.
As a representative of the hip hop industry, it's appropriate that we are gathered here today to talk about P. Diddy.
Oh my god.
John Puffy Combs. It has been
an amazing opportunity to be here for this because, you know, there's a certain and I'm gonna try and be careful today because, like, there's when you're in the industry as deep as I am, I'm 15 years into doing this, it is it's damn near impossible to miss the rumors. Right? It's like and I actually had a a huge viral, like, TikTok right at the, beginning of all this when the first lawsuit dropped, when the Cassie lawsuit dropped.
Mhmm.
I had a viral TikTok that got, like, 10,000,000 views because I was, like immediately, I was, like, Diddy's going down, dude. Because there's certain people in the industry you've heard so many things about for so long that when that thing comes out and, like, the first dam breaks, that first little the the Dutch boy pulls his finger out or whatever Yeah. Yeah. You know it is going to start uncovering ridiculous things. And I even said at the moment, I was, like, if the tablets are starting to run with this stuff, it is only a matter of time before the feds get involved.
Like, the feds don't like looking stupid. They don't like looking bad like that. And when somebody is sex trafficking across countries. I'm not laughing
at the sex trafficking. I'm just happy that he got caught. Yes.
Yeah. Yeah. You know? It's like you you gotta know. It's like this was coming.
It was going to happen. And when it opened up, when the dam opened up, it was like, let's see what happens. Let's see
what happens.
At 1 point, Robert was like yeah. At 1
point, Robert was like, he had new baby goats. What kind of goats were they?
That is the story that opens this podcast. Oh, great. Yeah.
Yeah. Because you started
by being, like, in the industry, I've been hearing fucking rumors about p. Diddy for years. Well, roughly a year ago, my goat had little baby goats, and 1 of them was a hybrid Nigerian angora mix with the softest hair I have ever felt on an animal that's not a chinchilla. Beautiful animal. Previously, I had gone with the rubric of naming my livestock after famous historic dictators because it amused me to have to, for example, cut the shit out of Joseph Broads Tito's ass dreadlocks.
Like, that's just kind of funny. Right? You know? But this particular goat was really cute, so I decided I wanted to give him a mirthful name. And I told Sophie, my producer, I'm gonna call him P.
Diddy. Now let me say here, I'm not a pop culture guy. I didn't know anything other than, like, P. Diddy was like a rapper. I actually didn't realize how into gangster rap he was because, again, not super aware of all this stuff.
I was just like, oh, he's he's like a Snoop Dogg type figure.
Right? His image has never particularly been gangster rap. Like, not well, I mean, like, his earliest
since he was having people killed. Yeah.
Yes. Yeah. He definitely was. More mogul. Yes.
Yeah. Absolutely. That is a great way to say it. It's like he was he was he was the guy who has companies, the alcohol, Ciroc. He's got Yeah.
You know, he's got this. He's got shoes. He's got clothing. He's got all this stuff. Like, he definitely shifted like Ice Cube did to Disney movies.
Like, it was like that immediate, like, oh, man. You can get away with so not accusing Ice Cube of anything, but you can get away with so much more Yeah. If you look a different way than the guy who's, like, involved in multiple deaths and shit.
For sure.
You know?
Yeah. And yeah. So so, like, that was I was, like, oh, just named it P. Diddy. That's a fun name.
Right? Anyway, Sophie did her job, which is to dive in front of bullets for her host, as a producer.
It's called the Wednesday.
Yeah. And and said, no. You cannot name your goat after Diddy because he's a monster. And I was like, oh. And I looked into him, and there wasn't a ton out at the time, and then he'd get righted by the FBI a few months later.
Yeah. It only Sophie
was not.
Take a minute.
It was
only gonna take a minute.
It did
not take
long. A well known secret most of my entire life living in Los Angeles.
I had missed it. Yeah. Everybody everybody if you're, like, in a certain, like, kinda scene around the world in, like, the in the industry in LA, it's like you will always hear that, like, some old like, you know, it's like the caterers. You it's the people that are, like, the the service workers of the of the
world. Mhmm.
You know, the engineers, the white dude in a room full of rappers sitting at the desk that's, like, oh, shit. It's, like, really? They just say this out loud and it's, like, sometimes it's secondhand, sometimes it but it's, like, you'll hear these things and it'll be, like, some older, like, grizzly dude that's, like, yeah, man. Don't ever don't ever work for Kanye, man. You know?
Yeah. Or or
or famously, don't go to a Diddy party.
Don't go to a Diddy party. Don't hang out with Diddy.
You know?
I had even watched earlier this year that movie blink twice, and I was like, oh, this is kind of interesting. You know? And then I I find out later, like, oh, it's supposed to be about Diddy. Like, this was a failed way of talking about this guy. So if you're like me or if you're someone who knows more about Diddy, you know, the question is, how did how did all this like, how did this guy get to where he is and get to do what he did for so long without having a downfall?
And we are going to answer that question and more this week on Behind the Bastards, a podcast about people I almost named GOATS after. And we're back. So Sean John Combs, which is kinda Sean John, which is the name of the the clothing brand he's going to make later, was born on November 4, 1969 in Harlem, New York. He was the son of Janice Combs, a former model who worked as a teacher's assistant most of his childhood. His father, Melvin Earl Combs, had served in the air force, but later in life became a drug dealer.
He also he worked for a guy named Frank Lucas. And does the name Frank Lucas mean anything to y'all? No. He is if you've seen American gangster, that's the guy Denzel plays,
an American gangster.
So he's Alright. Yeah. Sean's dad works for a very serious gangster. It's like Right. Played by Denzel Sirius.
Right? It's as a side, if your goal is to make a movie about, like, crime is bad, don't have Denzel play
the gangster. That's just gonna make me wanna be a gangster.
Everyone wants the Aaron Taylor Johnson of situation. You know? Yeah. You gotta get, like, you know, the the right Yeah. Kind of feel for people.
Yeah. Denzel is so handsome. What are they doing?
It it was like the Gladiator 2 movie really wouldn't, like, it would have been a totally different film.
Whole time.
Yeah. I watched the whole movie. Bored. Yeah.
I I watched the whole movie, but he's the good guy. Get him.
Oh, I
guess we're supposed to like this guy. Oh, is he bad?
I'm so confused, man.
It's Denzel. He's wearing purple. What's not to like? He looked regal as fuck. I was just like
Oh, man. I just He
should be the emperor.
Yeah. Yeah.
This seems fair.
Yeah. So, tragically, Melvin Combs was never played by Denzel in a movie. Instead, he was assassinated, shot dead in his car in Central Park when he was 33 years old. Yikes. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. That is, Diddy's dad.
That is a young 1.
Yes. Yes. Sean is 2 years old at the time, so he never really knows his father. As a little boy, his dad's death served as a constant reminder of consequences of crime as a lifestyle, or at least that's what he would say. I don't know how true that is because, again, very involved in crimes.
You know, seems more like it was, like, a lesson on, like, don't be the guy in the car getting smoked at 33. You know? Be the
guy who Denzel winds up playing. Right?
Yeah. Yeah. Because the higher
levels. You know?
You got you got some more wiggle room up there.
Uh-huh. Yeah. Don't be a private. Be a general. Yeah.
Yes. Yes. So his mom moved the family out of Harlem not long after Melvin's death, taking them to Mount Vernon, a suburb of in Westchester County. Now as an adult going by the name P Diddy, Sean would make a lot of statements about the poverty he was raised in because if you are coming up in hip hop in the way he did, you wanna, like, act like you came from a really hard background.
I mean, this is we will probably talk about this. I'm sure eventually at some point, but, like, this is the Tupac thing. Like, he went to he went to, like, a a performing arts school. Like, he didn't grow up. I mean, his mom was a revolutionary, you know, activist or whatever, but he came up in a pretty decent kind of lifestyle, and it wasn't until he got into that East Coast, West Coast beef that he gangster it up hard.
Yeah. Yeah. Whereas, I mean, we're gonna talk about Biggie. Biggie does come from, like, a rough background.
Like, Biggie is cocaine instead of making record deals.
Yeah. Now, and, obviously, Sean is massively exaggerating how rough his background was. I don't wanna minimize, like, his dad getting shot when he's 2, but his mom is, like Tupac's mom, 1 of these people who works incredibly hard and is very responsible. She gives her kid a a good degree. Kids a lot of stability and comfort.
Sean goes to a prestigious private school, Mount Saint Michael. It's a Catholic school. His family is very Catholic. He wears a uniform. He plays football.
His mom describes him in interviews as having been an entrepreneur from a young age, starting his own paper and not in the way that you often mean that in hip hop. He starts he starts a paper route as a kid. Right? Like yeah. In order to make money, she told the New Yorker, we had a Cadillac car and a house, and he liked life like that.
Right? So yeah. Was was
the actual quote that he was an entrepreneur at at an early age? That was a direct quote?
The yeah. There
will be a Roy Ashit. Connor Roy was interested in politics at a
young age.
There will be a lot of other stories like that.
It's all again, I mean, this has been brought up many times on the show, but when kids show kids show too much aptitude for something at a young age, you gotta worry about it. You know?
When your kid says he wants to be a CEO, look, I'm I'm not saying you should do this legally, but maybe get him into drugs. You know? Slow him down a little bit. Slow him down a little bit.
Look. I got 2 kids now. You know? It's not you don't just give him drugs. You leave him around.
You just you slap leave him on the street. They'll figure it out.
Yeah. Yeah. Put him outside and don't watch him enough.
You know?
Like my parents did.
Yeah. Yeah. That's and we all turned out great. Your children could also be having light bulb fights in the streets of Santa Monica and winning a Grammy. And
winning Grammys.
Yeah. So 1 story Diddy likes to tell is of the time his aunt babysat him at her home, which was in a public housing project called the Patterson Houses in the Bronx. So, again, his mom gets out to the suburbs. They own a home. Other members of his family, obviously, are a lot less comfortable.
And the story he tells us that he wakes up sometimes he'll say I woke up with 15 cockroaches on my face, which you didn't count the cockroaches. Nobody would in that situation.
You you can feel it. You can feel a dozen cockroaches, but you can't count them as fat. Exact number, man.
But and in other recitations, he's less specific. I'm not saying this didn't happen. I think it probably did just knowing the other stuff about his life. But he also I
lived in decent places where cockroaches on my face.
I too have woken up with some cockroaches
on my
face. This apparently inspired him to seek wealth and success, quote, and this is from him years later. I was like, no. I'm not going to do that. I'm gonna get out of here.
I'm gonna be somebody. I'm gonna own something and be able to take care of my family. I don't wanna live in these conditions no more. And again, you know, I'm not maybe something like this happened. He also does bring it up exactly the way you would if you're trying to, like, throw out in interviews scenes that people will put in a biopic about you.
Right?
Right. Yeah. For sure. That 1 sound bite that grabs you
at the
perfect time, and they're like, yeah, man. Like, that's it.
That's it. Gonna be anything, you see, ditty.
You'll never make it, kid.
You're gonna go down just like your father.
Dead in the back of a car.
Now, Diddy would later claim that the memory of this harrowing event inspired him whenever he made a change in his career. It was something that just kinda snaps on you. Don't take less in life and fight back. Those roaches still to this day whenever I get comfortable, I just remember them. I remember living in a situation where babies weren't changed for 2 or 3 days and everything smells and there's no food.
The memory is the thing that really fuels me to make sure that 1 day none of us have to live like that. And did he even do anything to make sure none of us had to live like that? And you didn't live like that.
Right? Yeah. Yeah. I ain't sure he he don't live like that. Yeah.
He made sure
you didn't have to live that way, but, Fair enough. Yeah. Fair enough.
No. But that that's it. I mean, like, that is often, you know, whether true or not, you know, I like, there's definitely probably essences of that, you know, like, of being true because, like, you know, it like, that is the story of a lot of people in America right now. It's, like, going through some really tough times and, like, seeing trying to, like, get through and, like, that is often the story, especially when it comes to successful people in
the
music industry. It's like, hey, man. I came up hard. Used to be anyways. It's more Nepo babies these days.
Yeah. It's the more Nepo babies. It doesn't like
was the great equalizer, you know. It's like you could be poor and from nowhere and become the biggest in the world. That's that's what music used to be. So Yeah.
And it's I mean, like everything, it becomes more oligarchic as it fucking ages and gets sclerotic. But, like, it's also not weird. You know, I I can say I didn't I wouldn't say I had a hard upbringing. My parents were, like, poor when I was a little kid. Financial stress is like a lot of my earliest memories, and that's definitely part of why I have gone after money as an adult.
Right? It's because, like, I didn't wanna have screaming fights in front of my partner about the fact that we couldn't afford rent or whatever. You know? That's Yeah. That sucks.
Absolutely.
Like, that's Absolutely.
A lot of people have had that experience. A lot of people deal with that now. It sucks ass. Like, so I I don't doubt that some version of this is true. Right?
That he encountered a lot of poverty around his family and was like, well, fuck that shit. Right? Yeah. Yeah. And I do think it's interesting that, like, his connections with financial desperation are not direct.
They're family members. Right? So he always there's always this sense of, like, I'm separate too from this from the hardship. Right? Like, it's not direct to me, which is interesting.
Now it's worth noting that Diddy as an adult told lots of inspirational stories about moments from his childhood that inspired him to later greatness, and maybe all of these are bullshit, but, you know, let's hear him out.
That's that's definitely a market he has is, like, the inspiration I climbed out of this. Like, even in his verses, it's possible that.
But Yeah.
Yeah. But that's not also that's not exclusive to him. That's a lot of rap as well. You know? Like so, you know, it is it kind of goes hand in hand.
It's a it's a bit of that, like, that that tale of, like, rising up out of the worst situations that makes, like, so many people respect and understand you as a as a rapper. So
And I'll I'll even say that's not you know, that's a thing that rap gets from the same source that a lot of other because you see that in evangelical Christianity, the whole, like, I was, you know, down and out, low deal, low, high rising and low sliding, popping breads and busting heads, kicking in doors and banging whores, and then I met Jesus. You know, that sort of fucking deal. Praise the lord. It's this thing everybody gets from, like, you know, power of positive thinking, like, hustle culture where it's like, okay. You gotta have, like, the down and out story, and then I had my realization and, like, you can do it too.
It works for everything. It's not just MLS.
I mean, and Yeah. And just to tag on to that, I literally was just making fun of NepoBabies because Right. Because it's like so it's like the opposite is literally when it comes to most of creative culture
Yeah.
To be considered the worst you can be. To have privilege and everything, that's considered, like, the worst because it's, like, woah. Well, you you don't have to learn guitar for on a guitar that only had 3 strings and, like, you know, was given to you by blind Willie down on the corner who definitely had tuberculosis and left us early type of shit, you know?
Yeah. Yeah. That's just, that's just the way you, like, frame things if you want Americans to to if you wanna be a fucking mogul. Anyway, here's a quote from something he said later, in a CNN article. 1 day, when he was a child, he asked his mother for a new pair of sneakers, but she couldn't afford them.
He recalled in the 2016 CNN interview that his mother almost began to cry upon hearing his request. That day, he said, my hustle was born. And he's got a lot of that day, my hustle was born. So That was the 1 day. His mom being like, we had a Cadillac.
Maybe she's exaggerating because she doesn't want to admit that things were harder than they were. But I kinda think it might just be more that he wanted expensive sneakers, and his mom wasn't like, no. We don't have the money. His mom was like, no. You don't need those sneakers.
Yeah. I'm not gonna spend $200 on fucking sneakers for you.
Like It wasn't it wasn't my mom being like, we we could go to Goodwill and find you a dice nice pair that you'll grow into type thing. It was like it was like, oh, you want $300 Nikes, like, hard Yeah. Hard pass. You know?
Yeah. It's it's less yeah. It it's a lot less inspirational to be like my story, which is like, I wanted a computer that could play StarCraft. And my mom said, no. You don't need that.
I thought it was
like, well Yeah. I wanna be able to buy my own computers when I grow up. Right? Like, that's not an inspirational story. That's not like, yeah.
Nobody's gonna put that in the biopic. You know, the music swells, and you get a fucking razor. So, yeah, 1 thing that we can definitely mark as a turning point in his life was a football injury that he acquired while playing for Mount Saint Michael Academy. He will always say I was gonna be in the NFL. I was good enough to be in the NFL.
He'll kind of insinuate he was being scouted by the NFL. I don't know that he was.
I don't know. Not entirely sure, but I'm pretty sure he's, like, 59 or something. Right? He's, like, he's not a
big guy. He's not a big guy, but there's there's positions for shorter guys. Sure.
For sure. Just to say, for the record Yeah. The amount of men that have told me,
I was going to
been a contender. Going to be in insert professional sporting league here. Yeah. You're like, sir?
Yeah. For sure. When I was in the marines, there used to be a joke about, you know, everybody was gonna go to a a great college. They had a full ride to go to a great college, and they were all varsity whatever, and they were gonna. 1 of the dudes in my platoon, he it was so funny.
He started off saying that he was gonna be he was scouted to be the quarterback at USC. And when everybody was like, dude, you were not scouted to be the quarterback. That's a prestigious position. We could've we would've seen that. You would've been in, like, in the news and shit.
Like, that's a big deal. And he was like, I didn't say quarterback. I said quarterback.
You know?
I was like, that was that was his way out of it. Sure, man. Cornerback. You know? 1 dude, I remember, he used to he had, like, 1 of his pecs is bigger than the other, and he said, yeah, man.
I was I was gonna play quarterback, and and then my coach always had me benching 1 side only. You know? And that's why my I was like, what? No 1 would do that. No 1 would.
So I swear to god, every guy in the entire world, if they played sports for, like, 5 seconds has, like, a, oh, I was almost, you know, story.
Could've been great. Could've been great. Then I broke my leg. Yeah.
I ran for 12 touchdowns.
If you've ever done that to me, just know I was like, bullshit.
Yeah. Yeah.
There there's a certain, inner bullshit detector I feel like you definitely have. Like, you kinda like it's like the Sophie eye roll where it's just like, Yeah. Like, just yeah. Yeah. That right there.
The smirk and the uh-huh.
Yeah. Sure, pal. It's a crucial life skill to develop.
Yeah. Sure. You've won a Grammy. I bet you have. That's why you keep it directly behind you.
Oh, man. Now I will say whether or not he was almost in the NFL, his team was very good. They won the division title in 1986, I think, when he's a junior. So, like, he does play on a very good team. I'm sure he was not bad at it.
I just don't know that he was in the NFL. That said, he does break his leg in his last year of high school badly on the field, which ruins his pro dreams. God, man. As a fun aside, Will, while I was right here and I love this. While I was researching these articles, I found an old 2012 interview in the New York Times with Diddy.
This is back during his, you know, mogul, you know, generally popular phase. Right. And the the the article was about a movie that he had helped produce called Undefeated. This was based on an Oscar nominated documentary about a real life high school football coach named Bill Courtney who was apparently pretty good. I don't know much about high school football coaches.
You're from Texas. How do you not know much
about high school? It's like, I I I fucking played high school football or middle school. I forget which year I was in football, but I played football. I I get
sport once.
Yeah. I I was not almost in the NFL.
It wasn't as fun as drugs. So
Now that I could've gone pro in, Will.
Yeah. Absolutely.
I could've been I really could've been in the in the NFL of drugs.
Absolutely. I still feel like I have a chance. Like, I feel like I got, like, a field of dreams chance, in fact. You know? Like I
do I do wanna see the, the field of dreams of drugs. It's like they they put up a table in a field, and just like drugs start materializing. Fucking John Belushi walks out of a cloud.
Willie Nelson is like, he's not even dead, but he's the guy that gets to walk back on the field and get younger. He's the Ray Liotta friend.
Dick pulls himself up out of a sewer.
Oh my god.
If you build
it, they will come. The biggest bong ever and just like a table of cocaine.
We could make this movie.
So I feel like someone is going to rip this off from us. We better act quickly. Back
to back to this story. So Diddy produces this or helps to produce this movie about this high school football coach named Bill Courtney, and he's interviewed in The Times about it. And in the interview, Combs talks about his his own football experiences in high school. And he laments, I didn't have a coach like Bill Courtney who stood by me and helped motivate me in everything. I was envious, to be honest.
He's kind of insinuating that a better of coach might have helped him overcome his broken leg or whatever. Yeah.
Anyway He could've healed me with his witch doctor ways.
Right. Right. Right. Anyway, the best part of that interview though is that Combs was working as a producer on the remake of that documentary with The Weinstein Company, and the interview with him in The Times includes this line next. Quote, Holmes said he and Harvey Weinstein had been trying to do something together for 7 years.
Oh. And, yeah, bro. I'll bet you guys were. Yeah. I'll bet you had a couple projects you were in on.
Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. It is almost like I hate whenever people start, like, because, like, every time some of this stuff comes out, you know, that, like, a certain person's, like, a grease bag, then
it's like A massive sex symbol. Yeah.
That's ever been in a picture with them is suspect, you know? And it's like, oh, this person, this person, this person, and it's like yeah. But, like, not all those people are actually doing bad shit.
Some of them are
just taking advantage of somebody's, like, status to up themselves a little bit or meet people or whatever. But also yeah. A lot of times they are
all Yeah. A lot of times the whole Harvey Weinstein connection maybe should have been assigned.
Yeah. A lot of times, they're absolutely running a fucking little circle jerk over there with each other. You know? Yeah.
Yeah. Now it was during Sean's high school years that he first oh, actually, you know what? Speaking of Sean's high school years, you know what'll help you get through high school? Drugs. Well, and the products and services that support this podcast.
Fair enough.
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And don't join the military like I did because it is not going to be a good idea. When you graduate, man, do anything else. But the
recruiter said, I can even pick my MOS.
I'm like, did I ever tell you that I had a friend that thought he was joining the Marine Corps snowboarding team? His his his recruiter literally showed him pictures of dudes on snowboards and was, like, yeah, man. If you he was, like, from Colorado, and he thought he was joining he, like, he was, like, 2 weeks into being in the fleet.
And he
was, like, so When does the snowboarding start?
The guy from the snowboarding team gonna, like, hit me up, or, like, how do I get over there? Like, bro, we are deploying for Iraq in, like, 7 minutes. You are not going to the marine corps. There isn't even a marine corps snowboarding team.
There ought to be, like, an Olympic for military recruiter lies.
The snowboarding ones up there. Oh my god. There's so many people. I had another friend who literally the recruiter, he came in and he was like, yeah, man. I wanna be the in in infantry.
He's like and the recruiter would, like, like, slow play to me. He's like, well, I don't know, man. It's it's pretty exclusive. And he got on the phone with, like, his master sergeant in the back room.
He's like a car dealer being like, my boss agreed. He we're
gonna we'd we'd never do this. We're gonna do what we can for you. We're gonna, you know, we're gonna hook you up, man. You seem like a pretty pretty wise individual. You know, you really you do you belong up in infantry, man.
We can get you in, man.
Fuck. So it was during Sean's high school years that he first acquired the nickname Puffy, and we have 2 different stories for how that happened. Here's the first as related in an article on hip hop insider. He used to puff out his chest to make his body seem bigger, which is where the name originated. Maybe that's true.
That's what his mom said. I remember seeing his mom in an interview that said the same thing that that's where it came from, that he used to because he wasn't a big dude back to the point earlier.
And there's a slightly different story that he told in 1998 to Jet Magazine. Whenever I got mad as a kid, I used to always huff and puff. I had a temper. That's why my friends started calling me puffy.
Right.
Yeah.
But, you
know, they're not necessarily
too confused.
You know,
it's just they're not at odds with each other. There might
be bugs to save. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like he's
he's like 1 of those fish.
Yeah. Yeah.
Anytime he's threatened, he gets big.
Oh, man. And puffer fish, infamous sex criminals. Do not let your friends go home alone with a puffer fish.
I remember that in Finding Nemo. That was 1 of the subplots of Finding You as a puffer fish with sex criminals.
Yes. Yeah.
And these pests, they're sex pests.
Sex pests. Sex sex pests. Yeah. So with football out of the way, young Sean leaned into the other less discussed aspect of his personality, which was that he was kind of an artsy theater kid. Diddy had a reputation at his private school for being neatly dressed, you know, or and and in college for wearing designer clothes, which he funded through a variety of legal entrepreneurial ventures.
For example, in between classes, this is again when he's at college, he's at Howard University, he would operate a shuttle service to the airport and he would also sell his old term papers, t shirts, and soda to his classmates. So again, entrepreneur but not exactly a gangster. Yeah. Ro Ronan's book, Bad Boy, which covers Diddy's influence on the hip hop industry, paints a picture of a young man who was beyond everything else an opportunist. At 1 point, while he's in Ed Howard, there's this massive protest campaign, on the campus over the presence of Lee Atwater on the university board of trustees.
And again, Howard is a historically black university. Right. Lee Atwater is the author of the Republican party's infamous southern strategy, which I cannot relate directly to you without using the n word repeatedly.
Like, you had me at Republican party. You had I was there. I was there already. I was you're just edging me
from there.
The basic idea of the strategy that Lee Atwater helps put together is that you can't campaign in 1968. Back or before 68, you can campaign by just screaming about black people and saying you want to hurt them. Right? By 68, you can't do that. So you have to instead campaign on issues that will hurt black people, but that you can pretend aren't racist.
Right.
Like, fiscal conservatism, cutting programs that help black Americans without calling them slurs. Right? That's Lee Atwater. So, obviously, Howard University students are, like, the fuck is this guy doing on the board of trustees?
Hey, bro. You you forgot your hood, man. Let me set
you up here. Yeah. Yeah. That is essentially the the the tenor of the protest campaign. Now Sean's peers rightly thought it was fucked up for this guy to have a seat on the Howard board, and they do win.
I'm gonna spoiler, he he winds up bleeping down.
Every now and then plugging a CEO and broad daylight on the city street does something. You know? Right. Protests work.
Protests can work. So there's this big protest campaign. There's, like, clashes with riot police. They occupy buildings on campus. It's a whole thing.
How far you have to go to get 1 white man fired from that argument?
Fired. Yeah. In the book, it was all a dream, culture journalist Justin Tinsley writes this of sophomore Sean Combs' involvement in this protest campaign. For Combs, the student protest in the spring of 89 presented an opportunity to unite the student body and put some money in his pockets at the same time. Combs took images from the protests, photos of students and police clashing and students being whisked away and printed up some posters.
And he, like, sells posters based on this. Oh my god. So he's
like he's a prophet here.
Yeah. Yeah. A write up by Chris Malone goes further. Future producer and coworker of Diddy's Derek D Dot Angioletti was at Howard at the same time as Diddy and saw how he made a quick buck from the protests. In the 2003 notorious BIG documentary Unbelievable, he spoke about, Diddy's photo enterprise during the protests.
He made 100 of them and sold them for $10.15 a piece, Angeletti said. That's the type of guy I saw. All this protest shit is well and good, but who's getting paid off it? He was ready. Yeah.
This is the eighties? Yeah. 89.
Yeah. So, I mean yeah. So 10 to $15, that's that's a lot of money too. That's not that's not cheap. Like, we think of 10, 10, 15 bucks now, but but in in 89, 10 to $15, like
yeah, it was like 700, $800. Yeah. It's it's it's whatever.
It's a lot more money. Some whatever the math works out to, but, yes, absolutely.
Yeah. It's a lot more money. Dime bag cost $10, and that wasn't cheap. Yeah.
It used to be. I remember
We used to be a country.
We had onions on our belts.
It was a style at
the time.
At the time. Yeah. Yeah. Amusingly enough, in 2009, Diddy made statements in support of another protest movement at Howard promising, I got y'all back and saying, do what we did and take it over. Let's go and do it in a peaceful way, but do it.
And, again, you did not take anything over. You you you sold pictures of people doing that.
You like, we were we're looking back through a lens so it's easy to, like, see, like like, oh, he probably was probably kinda like but you wanna believe that, like, any when you heard this earlier, you know, Diddy telling this story, you were like, like, yeah, man. Like
He did it.
Yeah. Good for you. Speaking up for the kids. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You did it, man. But, like, the and then, like, hearing it in in retrospect, you're just, you know you know everything that he did was slimy.
Yeah.
He was just always pulling an angle. He was always
doing so. A riot line to get at waterfucking fired.
Right.
If you're 1 of those if you or your parents did, good for them. That's pretty cool.
For them, man.
Yeah. So a good deal of our knowledge of college age Diddy comes from Derek Angeletti who I quoted earlier. He's the guy who described young Puffy as a flashy guy. Quote, he was always out at the clubs, and the young girls loved him. That's a creepier line in modern context.
He'd be in the middle of the floor doing all the new dance moves, and his style of dress was a little more colorful, bolder. Everyone took notice of this cool, overconfident young dude. I was DJing at the time, and 1 night he came up to me and said, I'd like to throw a party with you. You're pretty popular. And that's kinda how Diddy Diddy's really good at recognizing people that other people like.
That's his primary talent. He becomes a billionaire off the basis of that.
You will definitely see, especially in the music industry, there are so many there's such a a a wide ranging, culture of that being the thing. You know? It's like the Lou Pearlman or the or the or, you know, or or the the Diddy or the Jay z with rock Rockefeller or, you know, it's like Roc Nation. You know? It's like all these different organizations, that's what they're looking for all the time.
It's like, who is the thing that other people can look at and be because, like, that's what it takes. You have to have you have to have a a stable of of people for everything. To have a party, you gotta have the best caterer in the world, but you also gotta have the best DJ, and you also gotta have you know, it's like, that's what all those people are the best at is collecting a whole bunch of the best ofs that they know.
Yeah. And that's, like I mean, honestly, like, that's that's also just an entertainment industry thing. Like, you know, Sophie and I, that's a skill we have in a different way. Right? Like, I Yeah.
Yeah.
I got a stable of really cool podcast
on Years ago. I'm reading this Ed Zitron guy, and I'm like, I bet he could be a podcaster. You know? Like, that's just that is just kinda the industry too. That's like how you you know?
And and he's going Diddy's gonna be 1 of the best
at it. Right? You will unify the entirety of all podcasters in the world who takeovers. So I I don't We're starting
an East Coast West Coast podcast rivalry. Get Ed shot in a fucking conflict with 1 of the NPR guys.
Oh my god.
Oh, man. Another movie idea. You guys are welcome. Yeah.
Great movie. I'm I'm making Ed the biggie smalls of podcasting.
Sorry, man. You cooked.
Enjoy the next couple of years, buddy. So Combs took things a few steps further than most people who throw popular parties on campus by sometimes successfully convincing or paying celebrities to show up. He included his name on flyers with their name, which is part of how he would brand himself. Right? You're attaching yourself to celebrity.
You're also just making sure everyone who goes to this huge party with, like, 1500 people knows that's a Diddy party. Right?
Yeah. Reputation is everything.
That and he he's good at reputation management. He prints business cards for himself that he hands out. They have his name engraved on them as Sean in parentheses Puff Combs. Just 1 f. So he's still working on the nickname.
Right? That's a bad
name, man. That's a bad process.
It's a process. It's a
process. Chopping some stuff here, guys. Yeah. I'm doing the best I can.
I knew you before you were greasy Will. Yeah.
His friends are like,
puff, puff, p u f? There should end these p
2 f's. It's like damn near poof, bro. Like, I don't know, man. It's gonna be confusing.
Just a fucking bored room of guys. Oh, man. That's 1 of my 1 of my by the way, speaking of, like, wasted oak people are lying, 1 of my because this this comes up periodically when people will, like, lie about having been in the military or special forces. If anyone ever tells you they served and they had a really cool nickname, full of shit.
Yeah. Like Yeah.
Like, nobody gets called the, like, the avenger or fucking killer or whatever. Like, no.
It's it's always like sack or like or like 2 thumbs.
Yeah. Shit stain.
Yeah. You're like, oh, man. There's there's nothing about thumbs that could have been a good story. Yeah.
So, these parties with Diddy grow to be sizable affairs, but the biggest of them was a homecoming event at a Masonic temple. 1500 which actually does sound pretty cool.
Yeah. It sounds banging.
Yeah. 1500 attendees were expected, but Sean's marketing of the event was so successful more than 45100 people showed up, which causes a problem when 3 times as many people show up. And this is going to be a continuing problem for him. Angieletti later claimed the DC police shut down the whole block and brought out the dogs. We had to get on our knees and beg them not to lock us up, which, again, not super gangster.
Yeah. Getting on your knees and begging is not exactly fuck the police. No.
No. Biggie wouldn't have done that. I'll tell you that by
Tupac would have shot those cops 100%. Tupac would have shot those cops, and he wasn't even that gangster, man, when he woulda shot them cops.
Snoop Dogg
woulda shot them cops, man. We forget, man. This guy's hosting New Year's celebration then
shit, but
that guy would shoot some cops.
That guy was hardcore. That was Martha Stewart's friend. Weekly parties were all well and good for getting attention, but Sean wanted much more out of life, and he quickly decided a business administration degree from Howard wasn't going to get it for him. So he drops out, and he starts begging record executives in New York for jobs using his party planning career as a resume. This did not work.
But when he reduced the request from job to unpaid internship, he got a yes from Uptown Records' Andre Harrell. Now this is not a guy I'd heard of before, but Sheila Flynn for The Independent describes him as the man who quote famously coined the term ghetto fabulous. Wow. So, yeah, that's, that's Andre Harrell. He's a big guy in in the industry.
Wow. She describes his time interning for Uptown this way. Combs initially commuted weekly between college and his hometown, working 80 hour weeks as he literally ran to complete errands for his record superiors, and it wasn't long before he quit Howard altogether. By 1991, Harold had installed him as an A and R executive, and Combs was forging a reputation for identifying and molding top tier talent. So he goes very quickly from unpaid intern to paid executive.
He's very good at this. He works like crazy, and he's got an incredible eye for talent. And this is also 91. Rap is exploding.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And perfect timing for it all.
There so just for the the the there's a an actual term for that in the industry called a runner. It's literally because you are in fact running for everything you do. You go and get things all throughout the day. It's the first job you do in almost any, like, music industry position. So it's like this is what I did.
I was an intern, and then I became a runner and then an assistant engineer and then an engineer, but that's how you, like, work up with and and it's crazy. Something that people don't like, it's not like it's not like being an actor. Right? Like, doing some of these jobs, like like what what Diddy did here, some of these jobs it's not like being an actor. You get out here and you're competing against just, like, everybody working at every diner in all of Los Angeles.
Right? Mhmm. Like, doing some of these specific jobs like A and Rs or producers or engineers, you can get into the industry and be 1 step away from the top immediately. There's so many stories of that. It's like, you get it.
Your fur my first job, I lived in Texas where we met in Texas. I was playing in a metal band, and then I was like, oh, I should maybe, like, do music for a career. I went to school for 9 months, graduated from a tech school, and started at the biggest studio in the world as a runner, but I was so good because my background in the military and all the stuff that I was in. I was a runner for, like, 3 weeks before I was, like, working for the studio as an engineer. So it was like, you're only a very, very short insert.
It's like attacking the industry from a secret angle because you can do things, like, it's so fast. It's like your first job might be working for the president of a label. You know? If you have the right aptitude for the type of stuff, it could happen just like that. Now it's still competitive and everything, you know, and it's really hard, but it it it's it's a different thing from, like, being, like, an actor or a musician where you're competing against thousands and thousands of people in the same proximity trying to do that job.
It's kind of like a a hack to get into the industry.
Well, there you go, folks. You could have your own Grammy You're welcome. And maybe even be a guest on this podcast.
And more tips like this on my TikTok, greasy wheel music.
I don't have any tips for becoming a journalist or a writer. It's it's very hard, and it seems like no one's doing it anymore. Yeah. I don't know how it worked for us.
Get chat g p t and just plug a subject in, and then, post that on a website. Yeah. That's the there you go. You're a terrorist.
The lord of the rings into into Jack GPT, and you too could be a novelist. We're sued by the Tolkien estate. Either way, same def. Yeah. So he's, you know, by 91, he's an A and R executive.
So he's he's doing he like, while he does that, he continues throwing parties. He understands that that's number 1. That's how I'm gonna meet people. That's how I'm gonna run into DJs, the people that I'm going to, like, poach, you know, as talent. He would throw what is described in 1 source as racially mixed daddy's house parties for street kids and preppy students from Columbia University and New York University.
And this is where that's Ronan who wrote a book about, you know, his role in hip hop says, quote, that's where he saw what fans were dancing to and wearing. So this is also how he stays plugged in. Now, you know, it's, I should say, it's also how he's, going to be committing a lot of his sex crimes, but we'll get to that in a minute.
So yikes. Yeah.
Yeah. Daddy's house parties don't go great for a lot of people. He's a drug addict. Oh, yeah. You brought your soundboard.
That's why. 2 choices.
And he makes the choice next to kill 9 people. Oh. So Oh. He's 22 years old. He's going as Puff with 1 f.
He's a college dropout and an employed record executive. And 1 of the acts that Sean helps bring to prominence is Jordeci, j o r d e c I. I don't know if Jordeci?
Jordeci, the jean company?
Yes. Yes. He he he discovers that. Jordeci is a an r and b duo who are blowing up by 91.
Oh, Jodeci? Wait. What are you saying?
Is it Jodeci? It's j
o t m v d c I. Oh, you're saying
hold on. Is it Jodeci?
I'll look it up. No. No. No. I can't.
No. No. No. It's it's it's it's not oh
my god.
It's not. Okay. So oh, hold on. What what's the name? J o r d
a c. No. No. No. The way that Robert has it spelled, there's an r in there, but I think I think Will is right that it's Jodeci.
Is it Jodeci? Okay. We'll go we'll say it's Jodeci. Because they're If that's an R and B duo. An R
and B duo. Yes.
Then that's then it's look. I don't know these. I but you you know me and fucking
pop culture. Jodeci. It's a yeah.
There's a d in there.
Yeah. So I mean, you know, it could be. I don't know. Yeah.
I we might be a little bit
here, but
So No.
No. No. It is. It is.
Yeah. Combs decided a good way to increase Jodeci's visibility was to throw a charity basketball game, pitting 2 teams of rappers against each other while fans watched. The event was to be held in the City College of New York gym. Once again, Diddy did what he does best, which is promote, and so a shitload of people show up. In fact, several times as many people as can fit in the actual gym itself.
This becomes a problem because Sean doesn't do anything but promote the event.
And he's any of the safety measures, any of the staff, any of the bathrooms, none of that. Yeah.
He has 2 of his assistants who have never run large gatherings do that. Yeah. And he does not inform them, by the way, every time I do something, several times as many people as we can actually support show up. Could be a problem. He just has his he tells his assistants to handle it and then forgets all about it.
Largely because his attention is occupied by executing fraud to the tune of tens of 1,000 of dollars because the game had been advertised as a charitable event, but, like, he hadn't told anyone what charity. And in
actuality charity. Yeah. What kind
of charity? You know, it's like kids with stuff that need stuff. You know?
Yeah. Kids
with problems. As as someone who has been that
assistant that had to organize, like, like, I've been this guy. I've been this guy that had to put together a house party with 3 bands and, like, 500 people show up and the LAPD is circling with a helicopter, and then I have to be the representative of of of white people to go out and talk to cops so that it's okay.
You know?
1 of the artists I used to work with, he used to always be like, yo. Hey, man. The cops are here, so, yeah, you wanna go you wanna go talk to him? Yeah, man. He's like, you know, you speak like cops and, like, white people and stuff.
Like, alright. I got it. I got it.
You know?
Go outside
and Let's get
hey, gentlemen. How are you doing tonight? Oh, yes, sir. Absolutely, sir. You know?
Like, oh, the dogs? You don't need those.
So there's no beneficiary actually selected for this party, and for the more than $24,000 in 19 nineties money that had been raised for the event. Further play blame for what's about to happen goes to the police on duty. Sean's assistants had only coordinated with Pinkerton security guards hired by the university. Yeah. There's Pinkertons in this.
Everybody legendarily protective of people and safe and everything. Never hurt nobody than Pinkertons.
And and the university had increased the number of security guards to 23 because they started getting worried before the event, but the NYPD just sends a few guys. And when it becomes clear that more than twice as many people as expected showed up, the sergeant on scene doesn't call for backup until it's too late. Eventually, there are, like, 60 something officers in attendance, but it takes a while. And the cut the sergeant on duty also ignores repeated calls by the university being, like, there's way too many people. There's way too many people.
You need to do something. There's going to be a riot. And in fact, there is.
Yeah. They ignored the neighbors at our parties too, man. They just did not listen to them.
So once it becomes clear because they have to tell this huge crowd most of you are not getting in, and then the crowd gets rowdy and violent, and a riot begins. The NYPD officers who were there are as useless as the NYPD tends to be when they're ever they're actually needed for something, and things go very badly. At 7 PM with far too many people crowded into the venue, the single door they had been using to funnel people in was shut. Since that door was steel and at the bottom of a stairwell with the crowd basically pushed up against it, it creates a solid barrier in a room that has far more people than are supposed to be in it. People panic and a crush develops.
Dozens are injured and 9 young people are crushed to death, literally asphyxiated by the weight of the crowd. Medical examiners will note that, like, none of them had broken bones. They are just suffocated by the mass
of people. For those of you know, like, I I have been to a lot of concerts. I I've been into metal music. I like, sometimes it feels kind of, you know, like, how could you be killed by a bunch of people? But, like, if you have never seen a crowd or been in a crowd, like, even I is, like I mean, I'm a fairly large person myself.
Like, I'm not huge or anything, but, like, I'm and I'm pretty okay with, like, bad situations. Yeah. I've been in some crowd crush situations that have terrified me where I'm like, this is, like, scary. Like, this is bad. If you've never been in those situations, it's really easy to understand if you have, like, what what that's like.
It's like it's like even a few 100 people can be like that, and you're talking about 3 times the capacity of a of a venue. You know? That's, like, so easy for a crowd to just crush the shit out of some people.
It like, 1 of the best survival advice pieces I can give you is if you are ever in any kind of event and upon entering, your like, your only way to get in is to push through a crowd of people with absolutely no gaps in it, and you immediately have, like, the hair stand up on the back of your neck and wonder, are there too many people in this room? Fucking back the hell out. Yeah.
Get out.
There is. Go. Absolutely is, and it is not a good idea. Don't fuck around with situations like that. Next thing you know, you're gonna be surrounded by a bunch of juggalos at an ICP concert at the electric factory and feel really uncomfortable.
You know?
So, this is a horrible again, 9 people died because of this thing that Diddy has orchestrated. Yikes. 1 EMT
is a terrible This is this is early. This is episodes 1 for death. Right? Is there more than 1 episode of this or we want episodes of it?
There's 2 episodes. There's more deaths to come.
There's 2 there's 2, but, Robert, I kinda feel like we can do this as a 3 parter.
I don't know. Maybe we'll see. 1 EMT happens. Yeah. 1 EMT who showed up on scene described the result as a plane crash without a plane.
There were bodies all over. People calling for help. That's a very bad way for your party to be although, you and I have both thrown parties that I would describe as looking like a plane crash afterwards.
Yeah. Yeah. For sure.
Cool plane crash.
Yeah. It's a very cool plane crash, man. It's like You just feel like you're dead. It's like where people are like, man, that was the best night of my lifetime plane crash.
You know? Yeah. Yeah. Like the plane crash in yellow jackets. I haven't finished yellow jackets.
I assume it goes well for those girls.
Well. Yeah. Yeah. There's
no cannibalism. This would mark the first time that Sean Combs drew media attention in a big way. New York Newsday was 1 of the papers who first got reporters on scene, and years later, 1 of them recalled being told by a colleague, the organizer was some guy called Puff Daddy. In the days that followed, it became clear that a substantial amount of the blame for this disaster lay with Puff Daddy. Puff Daddy, Puff Daddy.
A report compiled afterwards by the mayor's office read, mister Combs spent little time making the actual preparation for the game and delegated most if not all of the arrangements to Lewis Tucker and Tara Getter, both of whom claimed to have no prior experience with such events. I found a fun article in the Columbia Journalism Review by 1 of the reporters who covered The Crush and this is, you know, him writing after Diddy has been disgraced. His piece ended with this line. I do remember thinking, man, this puffy guy can't have much of a future after this. Man.
Let me tell you about America, my brother. This is
this is the thing though too. It's like it's like, you know, that happened. Right? But I can't tell you how many events, how many things I've been to that have been, like, you know, thrown like this, like concerts. Like like, dude, I've been at a Riot Fest, which is, like, a major concert that is felt like this where it's, like, they didn't plan this very well.
There's not enough things here. It seems dangerous. And the fine line between, man, we just pulled off this crazy party
and Yeah.
9 people died is it's it's razor thin, you know?
It is
there there is sometimes where it's like, this is the coolest party I've ever been to, and then and it doesn't go completely wrong, but it could've at any time. 1 of those house parties we had, we had 200 people, and they're raging in the living room, And I thought for I started standing closer to the wall Yeah. Because I was like, this floor is gonna give out, man.
There's no way.
This get
this get in badly. This house could not be designed to have this many people jumping up and down like this.
You know?
And, you know, I a lot of being happy, especially, like, being happy about how you spent your twenties is getting as close to that line as you can get without crossing over into the killing 9 people at City College.
Yeah. That's yeah. Yeah. Risking it. Yeah.
I've I've been on the edge.
Yeah. The edge is a place, but it's also a place that's called the edge for a reason because sometimes 9 people fall off a bit. Yeah. Yeah. It's a place
where legends are made,
Robert. You
just do
hey, man. You know, sometimes you gotta get right up to the edge and just leave and laugh, man. Yep. VIN.
Yep. Hunter Thompson wrote eloquently about the edge and also died unable to hold in his bowels. So, you know, that is the consequence. It's
not a long life.
It's not
a long life. It's not a long life. So because this is America, getting a bunch of people killed due to your own staggering negligence does not mean that you don't have it. Yeah. None none at all.
And Puff Daddy proves immune to consequences for his actions even though, again, every review of the disasters, like, he's to blame for a lot of this. Now, again, I don't wanna say all of it because let's not forget the NYPD. Yeah. Of course. They also got those kids killed.
Look, there's never
a time where the NYPD hasn't been a little bit negligent in some people dying in New York City. It's like, you know, it's what they do best. Mhmm.
That's part of their that's what they get paid for, of course. Yeah. The NYPD operates 1 of the largest surveillance apparatuses on the planet so that they can know more places to get kids killed. So, Puff Daddy winds up testifying in court about the disaster when the families of the dead and the survivors sued the college. After a 1998 court appearance,
he's a little worse. Go after him at all? They just went for college?
No. Go after the college. I think at this point, the college is who has money. He's not Right. Rich.
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. He's a kid. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Good point. Yeah. No reason to go after him. He's got nothing.
Yeah. What's he gonna do for you? After a 1998 court appearance, he told reporters that, like, I think about it every day. I think about, you know, the dead every single day. You know, I'm I'm always my thoughts are always with them, quote, but the things that I deal with can in no way measure up to the pain that the families deal with.
I just pray for the families and pray for the children who lost their lives every day.
So he literally wrote I'll be missing you like I'll be missing
you. About the people he got crushed to death. Yeah.
Yeah. Like like right all the every day, man. Every time I pray, man, I'll be missing you. Yeah. He hit him early with that.
He did. He did. Right away. It's a
thing that always works for him.
Get the hits, man. Play the hits.
I can't wait till we have our first dictator who takes a no data who, like, fucking, like, uses chemical weapons on a crowd of protesters and is the then gets in, like, a studio and sings I'll be missing tip for the future dictators who listen to this podcast. There's gotta be 1 of you and look banger ready to go. Have a banger ready to go. And look, if you do succeed in becoming a dictator, just give me a province. Just 1 province is all I ask for.
Hell, yeah.
I mean, let me you know, I'll make a golden house for my of course, I'm gonna make a golden house, you know, but, like, it'll be it'll be gold plated. I'm not that much
of a crayon. It does.
Yes, man. It does. You can bring your Grammy over to my gold plated house, Will.
Yeah. Oh, man. Go take shots out of it.
Hell, yeah.
Now speaking of I'll be missing you, I'm gonna be missing you all because this is the end of part 1, but don't worry folks. We have a lot more coming. This is this this whole week is gonna be Diddy week here at behind the bastards.
Diddy week.
Will, my friend, you have a TikTok to plug.
I have a TikTok. I am greasywillmusic. I have a podcast. It's called that sounds about right. I have a Instagram that you can find me, greazy will I'm greazy will, g r e a z y w I l, 1 l because the second 1 wasn't pulling any heavy weight, and I decided I was wasting time doing it.
Fuck that l. So Yeah.
Yeah. Fuck that l. But I
am highly Googleable. I am all over the Internet. I can be found almost anywhere. You could, even send a telegram to me still. I I accept telegrams
Mhmm.
As long as they are Western Union and contain money as well.
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I send you telegrams, but entirely about our oil business, you know, in in the Arizona territory. Yeah.
I drank your milkshake.
That's right.
That's right.
That's how you and I spend our our free time. Being old timey oilman. It's a great time, everybody. Well, until next week, folks. Become an old timey oilman yourself.
You know? Start a start an oil rig somewhere.
Next week. Next part.
Next part. Yeah. Next part. Not not next week. We'll be back tomorrow probably.
Yeah. Anyway Minutes from now. Just a minute. We're we're gonna keep recording. Yes.
Anyway, I love you all. Go to hell.
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