Transcript of New Head Coach Vibes Check with Mina Kimes, Colleen Wolfe, and Jourdan Rodrigue

Welcome to NFL Daily, where we never use air quotes about our Championship drought. I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris Westling podcast studio. So excited on Tuesday, as usual, to be joined by my friends, Jordan Rodriegue of the Athletic and Colleen Wolf of the NFC champion, Philadelphia Eagles. What is up?

I've been listening to Too Short for, I don't know, 72 straight hours?

It is really exciting, and it's not just you two guys this week. We have a special guest from across Los Angeles. Let's welcome her in as well. Yes. We're not worthy. It's Mina Kimes. From the Mina Kimes Show. You're not worthy. Featuring Lenny, ESPN NFL Live, all of that stuff. Welcome, Mina.

Is this the most women ever on an NFL? Greg, are you a heroic ally today? Are you You are. Making history.

I'm loving it. I always feel a little more comfortable with female energy around me. I have been accused of maybe not the most masculine guy, but no, we're just talking ball here. That's what we're doing today. We're We're celebrating Coleen because she is going to be-We're celebrating me.

Amazing.

She is going to be on the field at Super Bowl 59. If you are lucky enough to be in the stadium, I don't know if any of our listeners are going to be there, reach out to us, let us know. You'll be seeing Coleen on the big screen at the Superdome, going in and out, which I think is the coolest gig ever. The fact you're doing it with your team playing is really cool.

Yeah, and Joe Thomas and Ron De Barber. It's a fun group, too. It's nice that the last time I worked a Super Bowl with the Eagles were in was in Minnesota. I didn't work in Arizona. It's nice that I feel like it's a good location that's not freezing cold.

Oh, my God, Minnesota. I know. I get like, I don't know if you were. Oh, my God. It was the cold where you walk outside and you feel like you're being punched in the face the second you open a door and walk outside. It was insane. But that was one of my favorite Super Bowl ever, honestly, because I was in the end zone. Really? Yeah. I was covering as a writer, and I was in the end zone where the Philly Special happened, and it was like one of those football memories. I'll never... It's like, Yeah, tell me about it. But I will never forget seeing nick Foles leak out. And then just... And you're not supposed to cheer in the press box. Let's be real. I was cheering against the Patriots every Super Bowl possible. But the press box went nuts just because it was such an insane play. It was just such a cool moment, and we were literally right there.

I love that. The guy who ended that game for the Eagles, Brandon Grant might be playing. He might be coming back.

How about that? I really hope so.

Any inside intel? You gave us some good Brandon Graham.

No, but as soon as I find out, I will let you know. I will let everyone know.

Well, we have a lot of work to do, not just today, but before we leave for New Orleans, we got a bunch of NFL Daily shows. Jordan and I are going to talk some all pros, but we also have a live show that Jordan and I will be involved with, which Mina Kimes is hosting Monday, February third at the Balasco Theater in Los Angeles. Tickets are available now. You can go to minapodlive. Com, and every dollar of the ticket that you spend will be spent to support the wildlife disaster relief efforts of the California Red Cross. I am really excited about this Monday night. Mina has the anxiety of putting together this show yet. It's been a bit of a scramble, but we've already sold a lot of tickets.

And by the way, I don't know it's $50. It's a lot. But not only does all that go to Wildfire Relief, Omaha Productions is matching it. So you're basically donating $100 to wildfire victims here in Los Angeles, and you get limited edition merch. I showed you guys the hats. You get snacks. And this is not... The graphic has been updated to reflect this. There's another guest on top of you two and Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwell, the Eagles fans, who's calling those all too well, Kobe Turner of the Ram. Ramly in Los Angeles. Jordan, you know him. You've interviewed him. You spent a lot of time with him. How excited should people be to see Kobe Turner?

He's just a wonderful person, first foremost. Also, by the way, he was GU on Mass Singer this year. People who are fans of that show should come out and meet GU from the Mass Singer. Kobe Turner is an awesome dude, and it's no surprise to me that he was excited and one of the first people that came to mind in terms of talking about this and helping and wanting to get in the community. Great dude. Happens to be a pretty badass nose tackle as well, by the way.

Yeah, right. He's like, Oh, by the way, he led all rookies in Sacks last year.

By the way, he has 18 Sacks in two seasons as a nose tackle, by the way. Just throwing that out there.

I'm so sad that I'm missing this, by the way. Oh, yeah. He does have good TikToks.

He'll be there in spirit.

You're going up against opening night. Oh, yeah.

Well, that's an overrated event.

But I will still donate.

Competition makes us better.

I'm looking forward to it. I remember when you first reached out to me at first and you were like, Hey, you guys did a show once. You were on the NFL podcast, right? In Hollywood. I was like, Yeah, it was this great place. It was the Bourbon Room. I was like, It wasn't too big, though. Probably 400 people or something. Mina is like, Oh, no, that's big. That's great. Then I start asking me, Okay, so where is this show going to be? And she's like, Oh, well, either I think the Wiltern or the Balasco. These are big-ass theaters. Mina, we got to fill this place up.

We got to please. Yeah, please buy tickets. Buy for all your friends.

I have to tell you, too, Mina. I was very excited about this. Obviously, this NFL Daily and Mina Kheim's pod featuring Lenny Crossover is really That's really exciting. I did take a while to respond when you sent us the original flyer showing that it was indeed at the Balasco because I had to take several nervous walks around the block because I almost... I was like, At the wear now?

Oh, my God. It's one of the great things about Los Angeles, though. I really love LA, and we've all been really affected by this wildlife. I mean, the wildfires that went on and have close friends or family, almost everyone that I know in LA has people close to them affected. I think it's because we feel really connected to this city now. It took me a few years. I've been here for 12 years now, and I love, love it. One of the things I love about is the great downtown theaters, or really the theaters all over the place. There's such cool diversity of the different theaters. Each one has their own little personality. Balasco is very cool. It was one that was dormant for years, and then they brought it back 15 years ago. It's going to be really fun. Hope everyone listening that's in LA, come We don't ask for much. Nfl Daily, come support me in a times, and all of us, it'll be really fun. All right, we are going to talk football today. Yeah, we are. We have not really gone over all the crazy amount of head coaching hires that have happened since our last full show.

I did an emergency topper on everything that was going on with Liam Cohen because it's one of my favorite stories that's happened in years. Just the drama that led up to that. But we haven't talked about the Raiders hiring Pete Carroll. We haven't talked about the Cowboys hiring Brian Schottenheimer. I'm going to throw in the Jets and Liam Cohen because all four of those coaches had press conferences on Monday. We're just going to I'm going to talk about our impressions. No major structure here other than I will order it in terms of vibes. I'm really into opening press conferences. This is something I've done since forever. I remember the Pete Carroll Seahawks one is maybe the best opening press conference of all time by any head coach. I remember at the end of that, I was working at Pro Football Talk at the time. I was like, I'm in. I want to join the Seahawks. This is going to work. And he had it all. And so I'm going to rank these four press conferences in terms of vibes will go in that order. And it has to start with Pete Carroll and your boy, John Spitek, who was a guest on the Playmakers podcast.

So you are a kingmaker, the Playmakers podcast.

Yeah, now we know how he got that job.

He couldn't hurt It couldn't hurt. Good pub. He was great on the show. I'll start with you, Mina. Pete Carroll, less about the press conference for now and maybe more just, do you think this can work? And is it a good hire here for the Raiders?

I think it definitely can because Pete Carroll, unlike a lot of first-time head coaches or even retreads, there's no mystery as to whether or not he has the leadership, the culture, the CEO stuff down, the players love him. We know all of that. When people When I ask me about a first-time head coach, I always say, Well, first of all, I don't know if the guy is going to be a good leader. We didn't know that about Sean McVay when he was 32 or whatever. We know that about Pete Carroll. So that mystery is taken out. We also know that he's been very good with the young quarterback, which I think we all think the Raiders are probably going to go in that direction at some point soon, if not this season. He is a brilliant defensive coach. He's one of the best secondary coaches of an entire generation, maybe all time. Those are things that the Raiders obviously need. I think if I have any hesitation, and I'm curious to hear what you guys think, it is if you do a young quarterback, I don't know how long he's going to coach. I know they sign him to a three-year deal, but he is 73 years old, right?

So there's a bit of a timeline issue. And I think that would be my other question is, is he going to be patient about a rebuild, putting the pieces in place? Because he said, We're going to compete right away. That's his nature. I don't feel that way about the Las Vegas Raiders, and I suspect you guys feel the same.

I don't feel like as a total roster that they are quite ready, yet you can obviously be ready. We've seen this a couple of years in a row, one with the John Spitech-led Bucks, and also with these Rams teams that have crushed the draft the last couple of years, that you can get way more ready in a hurry if you do knock the draft out of the park. A lot of people don't talk about with Spitek, especially, is when they were overhauling and then fitting a roster around Tom braided, specifically, this was, Okay, what else do we need to get in the draft and who do we need to still add in order to continue to build this roster around that quarterback? So I did believe when Pete Carroll said that, I do think he believes that based on potentially what their plan could be in that sense, I don't necessarily rule out taking a young quarterback. I think the Raiders could possibly be one of these teams that's on the phone asking about a Matthew Stafford, asking about a Aaron Rodgers, because John Spitek has made that phone call before. That's how he got Tom braided.

He It's funny because you're right, Mina.

He talked about patience. But another takeaway I had was when he echoed what you're saying that maybe he is on a timeline. Let's actually listen to Pete Carroll talking about him wanting to be good right away.

You all are wondering about timelines and all that.

It took us a few years to get to the very top of the last couple of programs I was with. We're starting right now, going for it immediately. We don't have some timeline. We We got to make it five or six years down the road. That's not what we're thinking. We're going to start right now to go after it and build this team as quickly as we can.

First of all, shout out to Pete for being the only head coach to not wear a suit. He just went quarter zip. You have the same after that. I do have a similar You're wearing your Pete Carroll.

I like it.

Pete Carroll. We're around the same age at this point.

I don't know. I feel like when I was in Seattle for training camp, I guess it was the last year that Pete Carroll was in Seattle. So what? He was either '71 or '72, depending on when his birthday is. I could not believe he was that old because he does not come off that way at all. I do really feel like your chronological age isn't really always in sync with how old you are and how old you project. Just in general, the speed at which he was chewing his gum and walking was incredible. I bet he could beat me in a race. He is fit, he's in shape, he's fun. His players love him. At the press conference when Marshawn Lynch yelled out, can we hear that?

I'm so proud to be part of that and recognizing that we get to represent our following. And here in Las Vegas, to do it in this setting right here, where people can't wait to come see us. They can't wait to see what we're all about, wherever our fans come from. We do want to fill our stadium up with our guys.

I know that we have a good draw for people from out of town.

There you go. That's what I'm talking about.

Hey, Mark, settle a little bit.

He's whip smart.

He's got his humor still. I mean, Marshawn Lynch, just being there and doing that, you can see the bond that he had with his players and the effect that he had on his players, and they still have his back, and they're still showing up.

It's amazing. And the vibes that he had with- The vibes he had with SpyTech immediately, who they admitted they didn't know each other, really, coming into this process. And they're like, Pete's cutting him off and making jokes, and they're going back and forth, and they're having a good time. I love that. Good time. That part is all great. I have to say, after having the experience from 12, 13 years ago or whenever he took the Seahawks up, I was thinking like, well, there's still a little... Even though he has a lot of energy, you're right, he's younger than he seems. He doesn't have as much energy as he did when he took that Seahawks job and when he was trying to prove to the world he could be an NFL coach, and he has everything to prove. This is a different stage.

That's because he was like 20 years old at that point.

It's very different, but it was turned down just a little bit as As a Seahawks fan, Mina, where does this take you? Emotionally? Do you think he can crank it up again? Now you got Marsha Lynch as a Raiders fan. They're all going to turn into Raiders.

Is there anyone you would want vouching for you more than Marshawn Lynch, first of all? No. In the world. True. If you could pick any human being to say, I'm F with him, it would be him. P. Curl, I mean, he's the ultimate vibe. It's not surprising that he ultimately immediately had chemistry with Johnson. The man could have chemistry with a rock. In fact, I don't know if I've ever told a story. I remember a long time ago, I did a story on... Was it Antonio Brown? I can't remember who I was talking. No, I was talking to Patrick Peterson. That's it. Patrick Peterson. I was in Florida, And I was talking to his mom, and she was talking about his recruitment and getting through being a top draft pick. And just unprompted, she was like, That Pete Carroll, though. No, no, no.

That man was a legend at working moms.

That sounds bad, out of context, but you know what I mean. He would go into that living room and you would give him the world. And he's just an unbelievably charismatic person But as far as at the end of the Seattle, a lot of the reporting, this isn't me talking about, it was that the message got a little bit stale with some of the older players, and there was a turnover, and it felt like... It just felt like the natural life cycle of a team. So I think just a new group of players, young quarterback, I think it'll work out well. I really do. I think this was a good hire.

I think especially for this Raiders team, where they are now as an organization and the coaches that they've run through, this is a great hire in terms of it. I don't know if it'll be great for Pete Carroll. We'll see. I think he'll do a good job, but it's a great hire for them. We don't know about the coordinator positions on either side of the ball. It's like Bo Hardegree has thrown out for offense. Patrick Graham might stay there. He's also interviewing with the Jaguars and Liam Cohen, but just the vibes. I like having the Raiders back.

I will say one thing, something about the Raiders that's been a problem over the last couple of years is how incongrius the front office and the head coach seem to have been. Then you're pairing people together. I like that they went and did this at the same time. I know John Spitek from our interview, but also from having a lot of conversations about football with him. That dude knows ball, and he builds holds through the trenches. That's what he likes to do. I think Raiders fans can appreciate that, hearing that first and foremost, because they have a couple of key pivotal guys, including Max Crosby, who they're going to want to keep happy over there. But also, I think Pete Carroll is going to really like hearing that about John Spitek's ideas and his methodology over the years. First of all, determining what personality and what ethos your team actually has, and then supplementing or pruning where you need to. That's been the trademark element of those Bucks teams between Tom braided Baker Mayfield and really continuing to stay in contention.

Spitek mentioned braided and Baker, specifically saying, Yeah, we want to build through the draft, but we also will have our eyes open to guys who could come in and help us right away. And they were talking about the quarterback position That did send alarm bells to me of like, Are they the Stafford team? Just the more that you see the reporting that's out there, and it's not even reporting, it's Les Sneed and Sean McVay not specifically committing to him coming back. That's all I need. If less need is not committing to Matthew Stafford being back right around the same week when they were meeting up in Cabo four years ago or whenever it was- It's this week. It was this week. Then when you think about the supply and demand that is out there, like Stafford would get them a decent pick, I think. He would absolutely have a market. He would be the bell of the ball, and the Raiders would be an interesting spot. All right. Real quick.

I just want to say that in terms of if you are doing power rankings of head coaches, the AFC West is absolutely stacked with personalities now. The fact that you have-I love it so much. Pete Carroll, Jim Harvall, Sean Payton. I mean, it's so So, so good. I'm in. Andy Reid, obviously.

I don't know if Zuari is remember, What's your deal? Do you think people under the age of 25 are aware of Pete Carroll and Jim Harvall?

No, give him the context, Mina. Give him the context.

I mean, the context is Jim Harvall and Pete Carroll freaking hated each other's guts, going back to college. And then it translated into the NFL. And for really the early Russell Wilson years, for like four, especially when Colin Kaepernick was the quarterback at the Niners, the Niners and the Seahawks, Hey, They hated each other. It wasn't just history, and it wasn't just the fans. I've talked to the players. They hated each other's guts, and the coaches hated each other's guts. And there was this, When was What's your deal? What year was that?

I'm looking at it now. It's after the 2000 9, Stanford-USC game, in which Harba's Stanford team won by 34 points over Pete Carroll. Yikes. Then he goes, What's your deal? Nice game.

It's on the end. Look at us.

It's incredible. The best part here, and I forgot about this part is that immediately Harba just dismisses him and turns away. And Carroll follows him as if he's going to do something about it. He just stays on him, and eventually, he just gives up. That is so good. That's so much ego.

I love it. You could see that tension, again, when Niners and Seahawks were rivals, ultimately culminating one of the best NFC Championship games of all time, the tip. After every game, and Harbaugh, I think Carroll's record against him was, he beat him a lot with Russell Wilson. He just looked so mad after every game. I love it.

I think that divisions are better with coaching beef. Yes.

And for Andy Reid to be the most successful, at least in the NFL level, of the four, but by You are the lowest ego. Not that there's anything wrong with Pete Carroll and and Sean Payton all believing in themselves. They absolutely should. Those games are going to be in primetime. They're going to be great. I think there's going to be more Jets games in primetime because the NFL is not afraid to put a Jets team in primetime. We'll find out about the quarterback situation there, but I'm going Jets as my number two team in terms of vibes in the building. Aaron Glenn gives great press conference. He couldn't be a more popular pick, I for Jets fans. Man, he said all the right things. It was like a perfect best man speech. It was so short. That's what you want to do. He just nailed it. It was short. They actually didn't even allow that many questions, and they let them break apart, and they did the local stuff separately. But it was awesome. Let's listen to Aaron Glenn talking to the media. Put your seatbelts on and get ready for the ride. Put your seatbelts on and get ready for the ride.

Listen, there are going to be some challenges, but with challenges, it becomes gets opportunity. But here's what I do know. We're the freaking New York Jets. We're big. Yes. Okay. They put that up on the back page of the New York Daily News. It's one of the things I miss about living in New York is just seeing the back page every day. It's just Aaron Glenn saying, We're the freaking New York Jets. We're built for this S. And I just like, they could not have picked a more popular head coach. I love that photo they chose. And I really love it. Before I get your thoughts, Coleen, let's start with you. I was watching how the owners were involved with all of these. Like, Mark Davis, quick introduction, just got to the thing. Woody Johnson talked way too long, but he has said to reporters after the fact that he's learned some things, that he's made some mistakes, and at least he's saying publicly that he's going to take a step back maybe and let Aaron Glenn and their new GM, Darren Mujee, start taking charge of this organization. Yeah. What do you think about this hired, Coleen?

Well, I love Aaron Glenn here. The Jets choose him for... Select him for a second time. First time was first round in the draft. Now he comes back as a head coach, and he brings that whole Dan Campbell vibe. We saw it with Ben Johnson, too. Just like, I don't know what that is, but it rubbed off on both of them. I don't know if Aaron Glenn was just always like that, and same thing with Ben Johnson, but he's perfect for New York. He handled all of the reporters and all of the questions so well. That's so important because it's almost like you get tested right away. When you're in a new environment, it's true for anything, anyone starting a new job at any point or hanging out with new people. You get tested by the group to see how far they can go. Are you going to break? And he did not. He's perfect. And I can't wait for the Aaron-Aaron conversation to happen with Aaron Rodgers.

Well, they asked him quite a bit about that, and he just said, It will be we talked about. I'm open to it. We have spoken with Aaron Rodgers. That all seems positive if you want to keep Aaron Rodgers. Oh, they could reach him. Yes, they were able to reach him unlike the packers at this point in the year. It's a win. I think Aaron Rodgers might take it as a win if they wanted to keep him, but we won't know about that probably for a little bit. What do you think?

It's a small thing, but it actually does matter. I know there's going to be some eye rolls from listeners being like, It's not that big of a deal. I've had conversations with people who have been either in the OC job, the DC job, it didn't work out, and they're reflecting, or the head coach job, it doesn't work out, and they're reflecting on like, what should I have done differently? What would I have done? How could I have reset the path or really started out as strong as possible? One of those things, particularly in that market, is having that little side Scrum with the reporters, getting FaceTime away from the main live stream, the TV broadcast, and really getting that time with the people who are going to be looking at you in that room and asking you questions every single day. I know people go, Oh, the media, whatever. But that actually does matter. Winning those people over, first of all, but also connecting with them immediately and setting a tone and setting a standard, that is super, super important. It actually is one of the things that you hear of people going back and self-scouting if it doesn't work out.

I wish I would have... It's not a given that those asides happen in so many places, including in Los Angeles. Those asides do not happen. And so I think that that is super, super important that he did that because he wanted to be directly in the mix with all of them, similar to how he must have been constantly in scrums when he's a player and say, this is as standard, we are going to talk directly face to face as people, and this is what I'm about, and I need to show you that with looking in your eyes right now.

I really like that point because I think people hear that, and there are probably some folks' first responses. Of course, the reporter likes it when the coach talks to reporters and treats them like humans, but that's not what you're saying. It speaks to a level of emotional intelligence and just IQ, generally, in terms of managing human beings that is so important in being a head coach. It's not specifically about the media. It's about how he is managing. What is a very precarious situation. I was impressed with the way he handled the Roger stuff, Colin, you talked about just even addressing it. He could have been really defensive or weird or vague about it. He was just like, We're going to talk, we'll figure it out, which is, I believe, accurate to the situation. I have my own thoughts about that, but I don't think that they've had their minds made up completely.

What are your thoughts?

I think they should move on from him. Financially, if they keep him, they're going to be tied for another. It's a huge, huge, huge financial hit, not just this year or the next year. I also just think the vibe shift is necessary. You got to do what it takes to keep Gareth Wilson happy if I'm the Jets. That's my take. But let's just not beat around the most shocking and perhaps impressive part. He sounds genuinely He was extremely happy to be a New York Jet, which was not a foregone conclusion with this team. When was the last time someone said, We're the freaking New York Jets in a positive connotation? And we all believed it. Even the backside of New York, I'm like, Wow, that actually... You could read this as a negative if it was coming from anyone else. But he really seems happy to be there.

He really stressed that, too, that this was the only job that he wanted, that he made sure to schedule those second interviews with, I think it was the of the Jets, specifically, after the Jets, because this is where he wanted to go and just talked about how he loved being there as a player, and you just can't write the story of him being there before. I think it's a good spot. It's different than it's been lately. They announced structurally, he reports directly to the owner, and the new GM, Darren Mujee, who great job, Darren Mujee, who didn't have a lot of pizazz at the podium. You don't blame him, his first spot there. He was completely ignored. And he loved it. He literally got one question at the press conference, and he's the new general manager of the Jets. And the one story he told was terrible. He talked about how impressive Aaron Glenn was in this interview with the Broncos back in 2022, that when they were interviewing him, they were like, What are you going to say to the team on your first day? And he's like, Well, you want me to do it now?

And he said he was the only coach that was like, Yeah, sure. And he actually did the first day speech. Get out of here. And the whole room was like, Oh, my God, this guy is amazing. And it really stuck with us. And then I'm like, Yeah, bro, but you hired Nathaniel Hackett. That is not a good end to the story. You totally botched it. But I thought that he's going to have a lot of power, I think, Aaron Glenn I like he got Darren Rizzie there. Darren Rizzie was at the podium. Coach Riz? Coach Riz is with him in New York. And yes, I have to think Aaron Glenn actually had an impact on Woody Johnson saying the words, I have to look in the mirror and be a better owner. I've watched the Jets for 20 plus years. That is new.

You have not heard Jerry Jones say that.

No. Just saying. Good tease. Let's take a quick break and we'll be back talking about the Cowboys, and yes, the Jaguars after the break. Back on NFL Daily, and yes, we're talking about all the new head coaching hires and the press conferences, ordering them by vibes. We'll also talk a little coordinator talk afterwards. But number three in vibes was Liam Cohen, I would say, with the Jaguars. Everyone's seeing the clip that's done around. All right, let's start with that. Jacksonville, the community. How do we do this together?

Okay, Okay. I've seen this like 100 times, obviously. I think we all have. It's the facial movement that's the problem. I realized it because I think in audio form, if I just close my eyes, it doesn't sound as bad. Do you guys agree?

Absolutely. It's the way he makes you feel. I'm actually wrong. The audio is bad, too. The audio is bad, too. It's so good. But it's the way he makes you feel when he's moving his face. That is...

I love it. Okay. I have to say, though. I covered Liam, right? So, okay, every Thursday, coordination creators would do press conference. This has been... I mean, at least he was himself. This has been Liam.

This is him.

This is Liam.

Yeah. So Liam, I said this when he got in the room with Baker, right? I was like, Oh, I love this personality fit. What a vibes room that is right there. It's elemental to Liam. He's like, remind you, the guy that runs the surf shop at the beach and is like, Yeah, you can do this. So he's a chiller. You've never done this. Yeah. You've never done this before in your life, stand up on a surfboard. You got this. And you actually do it. I think that's where... It is like We got to get that guy to stop moving his head so much, I think. But also, he is such a vibes. It is truly a head coach. He was as an OC in Tampa Bay with Baker Mayfield, specifically. I You cannot think of a more perfect vibes compliment to each other because you got this really heck and fired up kid, not kid now, but Baker Mayfield, who we know is just like so much dip on his chip at all times. And then you've got Liam Cohen.

The longer I watched it, the more comfortable. I thought that was maybe more awkwardness, but maybe that is just he always is a little awkward.

I have a post of him talking about playing complimentary football that it's still on my Instagram account. And he goes, We actually played complementary football. And he's moving his head. And I'm like, it's just him.

That's who he is. And he got more comfortable as the press conference went on, and it was a totally normal, fine press conference. And the vibes actually in the room, I think we're quite high.

Jacksonville-we should have him on the next time we do, things were getting too high on. I think that maybe we should talk to him then.

That was a controversial segment that we did. And I don't know if it'll be brought back, but I would love... Liam Cohen would fit on that segment.

Maybe sometime in April. Not sure of the day, but People were happy.

People there are happy that they got him. That was their guy. I thought as I watched the whole thing, it was a totally normal press conference. It was a little awkward when they were asking him about leaving Tampa, and I didn't really buy what he was selling there about that. He just didn't answer the questions and was like, It was a great opportunity. It's just all about the people here. And it's like, No, bro. He completely denied that Trent Balki getting fired had anything to do with him eventually taking the job, which felt a little bit like a lie, but also a normal coaching lie that I didn't really care about. In the room, I think they were all excited. Are you excited, Mina, about the Liam Cohen era in Jacksonville?

Yeah, I think I really like the football fit, so let's start there. I mean, Jordan just talked about the work he did with Baker Mayfield, which is, I think, we can all safely say why he has that job. But what struck me watching the Bucs offense this year was just how quarterback friendly it was. Baker always had good answers quickly. He played the fastest football of his career in terms of time to throw. And then the run game, a lot had to do with the investment they made on the offensive line, no doubt. But you saw that run game evolve over the course of the season in a way that suited the talent of the players. When I look at Jacksonville and I think about this offense, which can't run the football well, you had a quarterback who at one point was playing like a top five quarterback, even though it was just two years ago, nobody remembers it. When he was playing fast, it It feels like a good match between what we saw for the Bucks offense and what we know you need to get out of Trevor Lawrence in the future.

Yeah. And Baker, reportedly told him, not even reportedly, Liam Cohen said it, Baker was one of the people he talked to in this weird Process, and Baker was like, Go get it. Go get that job. So I don't know if the Bucks front office was feeling the same. I definitely heard- Reportedly not. Yeah, that the Bucks front office and the Bucks ownership was not thrilled because they thought they had a verbal agreement that was going to make him the highest paid coordinator. And part of that agreement was he wasn't supposed to even take a second interview, and then he goes without telling him. I don't really care about all that stuff in the end. Coaches do that stuff all the time. They do it to players. It's not great. It's not ideal, but I like it. I don't like the setup that he has. I'm a little worried about everything beyond the play calling, which I thought was fantastic last year. It was so exciting. He was that hot coordinator coordinator that is going to bring, I think, a schematic advantage if he can bring that over what he did in Tampa. I don't know who the GM is going to be there, but here's what they didn't do in that press conference.

They didn't deny that Tony Basselli is quietly running the team, just a former player who does the radio there and has Shad Khan's ear. What? That's funny. Trent Balki is not there anymore, and he was the guy who had Shad Khan's ear. They asked him, is Basselli, who I think was the most important person in this head coaching search by the sound of it, what type of job he has? And Shad Khan's answer was, well, we have to check with the league what we're allowed to do, but he will have some position. I'm not sure on the personnel side and the organizational side, the Jaguars have been pretty bad for the most part for a while, and there are systemic reasons for that. He might be pushing against that, Liam Cohen.

Yeah. Also, his agent played for the Jaguars once in a while, briefly, but stayed connected with the organization. There's obviously a knowledge of how it works there and how everything is structured and a clear understanding of really what you're getting into if you're Liam Cohen. This is going to be interesting to me because when I watched his offense in Tampa Bay this year, which I loved, absolutely loved it, Wouldn't shut up about it. You know this well, Greg and Coleen. But I saw shades and variations of the Rams offense from previous iterations of that offense before Kevin O'Neill came in and changed some things, and then before Michael Cooher and Sean McFay and Matthew Stafford changed even more in 2023 and 2024. I saw Chris Godwin, who was being deployed a lot like Cooper Cup in the Z role, but in a very much expanded version of what another team would call a A lot receiver, being able to do a lot of things autonomously, really saw his target share increase. I saw a better run game than the Rams had had when Liam Cohen was the OC for LA in 2022 and only 2022.

And I also saw that they had a great offensive line, to your point, Mina. And these are all things he's going to have a really great offensive line as well. He's got the quarterback in Trevor Lawrence. I've always wanted to see Trevor Lawrence in this type of system. For me, though, and I've said it seemed like Liam was pretty open all the year about the fact that maybe he was a year away. I think this is a really friendly market to onboard as a head coach.

In that division? Absolutely. Yeah.

And you have an O-line and you have a quarterback.

I don't think they feel like they have an O-line necessarily.

But I think- Pieces. Pieces of it, right? But I also think that for me, this is going to be, what does the next version of this offense look like after you put on tape what probably is going to look functional and cohesive in 2025? I have no doubt that they'll come out firing. Nobody's going to know really what to expect from Trevor Lawrence in this system. And they'll put enough pieces around. But similar to a Bobby Sloick after one year trying to move this offense into the next phase, even though he had not actually been part of the process of doing that, I'm very curious as to what Liam Cohen is going to do beyond this year, what his offenses are going to look like in the 2. 0, 3. 0, 4. 0 versions of what Kyle Shanaher, of what Sean McFay, who he, specifically the latter, was very connected to in his press conference and thanking him for his guidance and all of that. And so I'm curious about what that's going to look like after they come out hot, probably in 2025, What is 2. 0, 3. 0? How do you evolve this forward?

If you're Liam Cohen, to me, that's what this job actually is.

Yeah. Is he the leader of men type of guy, too? Is something I'm thinking about. Just being able to organize an entire organization that's going to need some organizing.

You weren't convinced by the Duval that you could do a great speech in the locker room?

You know what's underrated about part of that? And let's get to the Cowboys after this, but let's listen to it one more time. It's the intro to it. I'm glad because the four-second clip that went around Twitter for the most part in Blue Sky, it was just the Duval, but I really like that. It came out of nowhere that you can almost hear what the PR director said to him right before he got on the podium about talking about Jacksonville and the community. Let's listen again. I love it, please. Jacksonville, the community. Duval. How do we do this together?

And his eyebrows. He's got the eyebrows that switched during it, too.

I got Jacksonville, the community as time wears on is becoming a bigger and better part of that for me. It's really like an underrated gem. I had a whole other normal quote I was thinking about throwing out there to show that it was actually It was really good. It actually was totally fine. It was a totally good normal press conference. It was not Adam Gase with the Jets, I promise. I watched the whole thing.

Wow. That was a time. Yeah, imagine, though, if he had hit him with like, We're going to take it to the limit, like a real deep cut throwback.

I do want to point out- Then you would have won over the internet. Yeah, true. I do want to say, though, it's interesting the juxtaposition, I wonder what you guys think about this between Ben Johnson's opening press conference when he adamantly and very specifically was like, I don't care that I never had a famous last name. I wasn't basically making these references not so subtly to the McVeiz, the Shana and saying overtly he wanted to beat Kubaak. Kubaak. The nepotism? Saying overtly he enjoyed beating-Slowak even. Mat Lafleur, specifically. I think the juxtaposition was very interesting to me because Liam Cohen came out and was very Sean McVay heavy. I think that juxtaposition, I'm tracking it. Yes.

Liam Cohen made a point over and over to give Sean McVay a ton of credit saying he would be honored to be considered part of that tree, and that was graduate school, and his whole life was changed by being in the Ram's building and was loving up his old boss. Let's go to Dallas, where, yes, it's fourth in vibes because Brian Schottenheimer Heimer was very happy to be there and was tearful, and I thought did a good job, and I thought had a real head coach haircut. It was a good Schoenheimer- No visor. Haircut with a little fate. It was good. I appreciate it.

All right.

He was great. He was emotional. He did what he could. But his bosses, Jerry and Steven Jones, were so incredibly defensive that it felt like the whole press conference was settling scores. The tone was set early, even by the reaction that they got starting the press conference. Our new Dallas Cowboys head coach, Brian Schottenheimer.

This is amazing.

And Chief Operating Officer, Executive Vice President of player personnel, and co-owner, Steven Jones. All right. We Yeah, we'll clap for you. That's crazy. It's like a strange higher from the outside looking in because people aren't excited about what they've seen out of Brian Schoetenheimer offenses, and I do believe he is planning to call plays. By the way, Aaron Glenn is not going to call plays. Liam Cohen is going to call plays, if we're tracking that. I think Brian Zyte Nimer could be a better head coach than he was an offensive coordinator. They actually made a fairly compelling case once he got past a lot of the just defense.

Who?

Jerry made the case? I actually think- Who made the compelling case? I think that they made a compelling enough case that they wanted to have continuity and a change at the same time, which is confusing. But the case that he made that, look, we've never met these. People want us to bring guys from out of the building and hire them, and we've never met them. And that seems crazy to me.

Yes, that's part of the point.

I do get that, but I also get that that seems crazy to them, too, because that's not how most businesses work. And I don't think that's that crazy that you could have a broad spectrum of people that you at least know within the NFL, and you would have a feeling, and he's in your building every day. I don't think that's necessarily that crazy of a way to hire a coach. It's more the Schoetenheimer of it all, Mina. You watched him as the offensive coordinator in Seattle. He was up and down there. He's had some pretty rough years as a coordinator. He's had some okay years. What did you make of all this? And that he's getting his first chance here at age 50?

He's no longer just Brian. He's the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys, what Jerry said. I guess the familiarity thing, I think, would resonate with me more if it was a successful organization. You could say, Well, the Cowboys have been successful recently, but the offense felt really stale last year, even before Deck Prescott got hurt. I think there are some teams where you're like, I understand why they're sticking with someone in the organization maybe, or someone people are excited about. This is not one of those teams. This is the team that I thought felt like really needed to be shook up in some ways, and they went in the opposite direction. Pardon me. I did find something very interesting about what Schoenheimer said, though, and I'm curious to hear you guys' thoughts on this. When he spoke, and he was, I thought, fine and normal and presented well, but he was broadly specific about the offense. I don't know if you guys heard that part.

He used all the great buzzwords.

Yeah. Yes. He was like, We're going to use cuts split, send motion, and we're going to improve the run. I was like, whoa. First of all, that never happens, right? That's why it jumped out to me. Usually, it's buckle up your seatbelts. This is just football. It's much more normal. But also made me think he might be distancing himself from the Mike McCarthy office because you guys remember, he didn't call plays. Mccarthy took over play calling after Kelen Moore left. So I do wonder if Schaunheimer is trying to signal, Hey, we're going to go in a different direction here. And if I was a Cowboy fan, that might be the glimmer of hope I'm finding in all of this. Maybe because, Greg, you talked about Schaunheimer in Seattle, he did call an incredibly explosive offense that hit a wall for a litany of reasons. But there's a possibility that we might not have seen from him the offense he actually wants to call in Dallas.

Supposedly, Clayton Adams, of the Cardinals, is the favorite to be the offensive coordinator. Clayton Adams is one of those guys who's known as a run game, creative creative savant. He's an offensive line coach, which is an interesting thought and very creative and has a great reputation as one of those guys. To your point, I think that would be interesting. Then you have Ibra Fluss. I love that. Probably going to be the defense court. It's not the higher yet. You better be careful. Reportedly.

I believe it was- Trending in that direction.

Edward or your old coworker- Developing news. Put it out that they are hiring him. Then minutes later, Edward put out another tweet. It was like, Actually, they have to comply to the Rooney Rule. They are learning now, and they will be interviewing people. So that's unfortunate that that all seems like a shame and that Iberflux is getting that job.

That's the other thing about the Jacksonville situation that really was grimy, too, by the way. Just to... Anyway.

I think what you said about the scheme-specific stuff was interesting, Mina, because I really got the sense that Dak Prescott had a big role in this hiring. He's very close with Schontenheimer. Both Jerry Jones and Schontenheimer talked about how much support Dak has for them. He talked a lot about tempo, very specifically. We want to be a tempo team, and it's Dak Prescott's team, and Jerry was funny, though, just talking about like, Well, when I was in the meeting, and it would be sad in there on a lot of those Mondays, but then someone in the corner would say something, and I'd say like, Oh, yeah, that's a pretty good point. Who was that? It was my guy Shady.

It was He also called him a puppy. He's 50 years old. He's a puppy. I mean, that makes Pete Carroll look pretty young as well. Just a young dog at that point. But the continuity, I think, is important because those relationships are already in place. Brian Schoenheimer has been waiting for, no pun intended, his shot for a while now. He even said that he was not ready years ago. Of course, he's going to say now he is. But think about all of the notes that he's been taking and just watching how everything works in that building and probably noting anything that is dysfunctional and knows what needs to be changed. Now, it's a matter of, will they have the resources to actually do the things that need to be done? And will it work? Does he have the right ideas?

I could buy that he is a people person that is better maybe at that aspect of the job, which is what the cowboy's job is because they have so little power. You are hearing Mike McCarthy essentially complain he didn't even have power over his own scheme some of the times. That's a rough situation. Let's listen to one thing Jerry said that he liked about Brian Schoenheimer. Sometimes it's cool to have a guy who's been around the block. I like his baggage. I like his baggage. I like that experience. One of the things he said to his mama is, Mama, I'm going to get what Daddy didn't get a chance to get, or got a chance, but didn't yet. I'm going to get a Super Bowl if it kills me.

His mother, of course, was emotional.

This one will be for Daddy.

The first one will be for him.

I appreciate Shady's facial expressions through that entire... I felt he struck the right balance between uncomfortable, appreciative, and stoic all at the same time.

It was a lot of mommy, mama, and daddy, and it was a lot of crying. It reminded me so much, Mina, of that-Mina's face right now. Landman's speech. That landman speech. The whole thing, it was all about Daddy. I was actually moved. I was like, Do it for Marty.

You could do it. I think Jerry Jones probably says Daddy on a daily basis more than any of us are comfortable. Sorry. You know what? We air that a lot of the Jerry officer, and there's other parts where he's basically... He's just negging him for half the time. He's like, nobody thought that he was going to be a head coach. Remember what I said about the Jack? Nobody thought he'd be head coach. Nobody thought much of him. He has a lot of baggage. He kept saying, This is the biggest risk I've ever taken. I a man without head coaching experience. We were like, That literally happens all the time. It felt like, have you guys ever been at a wedding where the brother-in-law or someone's giving us a toast, and it's like 15 minutes in, and they're still like, he's a real piece of shit. You're like, Are you going to get to the nice stuff soon? They're like, he cheated on his last girlfriend. He didn't even finish college. Mom and dad hated him. And you're just sitting there like, oh, my God. Is this going to turn positive at some point? That's how I felt watching that.

A full roast. Can't wait for Tim Wolf's wedding. It was.

It was the opposite of what I said with the Jets. Remember, I said that was 15 minutes long, and the opening speech was short, and the Cowboys thing went on for like 80 minutes. I made this thing. I was like, I'm going to work while having these on in the background. I was like, I got to get on with my day, Jerry. It's still going. We had to go off on NFL Network. It had been too long.

That's pretty classic of when he holds court at the league meetings, too. He'll say, make multiple points and then counter his points and then make a new point. You have to stay the whole time to make sure you get the full picture of what it was. He just holds you hostage. Yeah, and he knows it. He holds court. He has the floor. And not surprised to see the acting chops, by the way, for that reason. So I had a buzzword that really set off a flare in my brain And I just went back and I remembered some of the shots of his face when the Green Bay packers put up 48 points on him. And when Shady said, Marry the run in the pass, that is something that I remember when Matt LaFleur was first getting his feet under him, and then further after him, Kevin O'Neill was getting his feet under him. The talk and the conversation about marriage of the Run in the past, specifically as it pertains to making everything look the same, run or pass, out of the same pre-snap looks, getting your motions and your timing correct on those running play action, and getting your passing game deployed out of establishing play action.

I just thought back when he said that to Jerry Jones' face, and there were many shots of him sitting up there as his team got their butts kicked by an offense that does that extremely well and is known for that type of thing, and also further, whose coaches are known for using that exact language. And You talked about his notes, Coleen. I have no doubt that Shady has been sitting back and taking notes over what works in the league. Now, will he have-Let's go.

We're in on Shady.

Will he have the runway, the autonomy, the support? Will he get the play? All that, yeah. Will all of it work? We don't know. We just never know with any of these guys. But that was definitely a buzzword, a flair word for me, set off some allows.

He does have a quarterback. He's got Seedy Lam and Michael Pars. I mean, he's got some things. He has a chance. We'll see. I'm not like writing him off. I think I know. People have been a little too crazy just because how they've presented it is understandably getting picked apart because it's so defensive. Again, it's a lot of daddy. It's a lot of wife talk, too. Emika was sitting next to me while this was happening. It's too cold in the garage right now to go there. And so I had it on. What do you mean?

Do you usually go to the garage?

Yeah, I go watch. You should see his jacket. I go work in the garage or whatever. And it's a lot of... She's like, Why doesn't he just tell his wife at home how much he loves her? Why does he have to do it up there? It's a lot of wife and mom and dad talk up there at the podium. I have a lot of thoughts about this. I don't know.

Family franchise.

Yeah, but it's like, Hey, thanks for sticking with me when I'm never home. All right. Oh, no. Nina, we've taken up a lot of your time. I do want to I do want to get your thoughts quickly on your new Seahawks coordinator before we let you go. That was it for the head coaching hires, but an interesting hire. Another familiar name, Clint Kubiak, is the Seahawks offensive coordinator Coordinator was with Minnesota and then was with the Broncos. Briefly was the play collar there when Nate Hackett got fired and was with the Saints last year. Now he's going to be Gino's guy. Do we think he's the right guy to steward the next era of Gina.

I just realized his brothers are Clay and Klein, and all their names start with K, all the Kubiaks.

It's a kettle of Kubiaks. I'm trying to make that stick all year.

I know, right? It's like, take your risks in the NFL. Brian Schonheimer, Clint Kubiak, all these things. Yeah, I think I'm optimistic, but cautiously. I think the Saints offense was really hard to evaluate because of all the injuries, obviously, the quarterback being primary, but really, I thought they were tanked by the offensive line. And I think that does concern me because we all know that's the weakness of the Seattle offense. I think they're going to try to fix it this offseason. But I think that would be my biggest question is, can he find a way to adapt? Because Jordan is talking about running. Everybody wants to marry to run the pass, but it's a lot harder when you can't run the football, and it's hard to run the football when you don't have a good offensive line. And this basically nuked the Seattle offense. It nuked it this for Ryan Grub, who went from calling it offensive Washington with one of the best offensive lines in football to a very bad one and couldn't adjust. I think that's going to be the challenge for Clint Kubiak. That said, I think some of the principles, he's from the Shana Han tree, shocker.

I guess it's his dad is there, so not really. I don't even know. He's from Kubiak's tree then, I guess. Literally, physically. He is a- Keep going, Mina. Keep sharing.

Keep sharing. How does that work exactly? How does the tree start?

Yes. Well, as Jerry Jones can tell you.

He is the...

Clint Kubiak, I think- Colin, if you were a Kubiak, you'd be Colin with a K. How do you feel about that?

Oh, weird. Super weird. It's never been done, I don't think. I've never seen a Coleen with a K.

Clint Kubiak is the most direct nepo baby possible because he really started with his dad. Then the organization that his dad won a Super Bowl Four, picked him up after that. And then when he needed a better job, Kyle Shanahan gave it to him because Kyle Shanahan got his first job from his dad. And now here he is in Seattle, Venturing Now on his own.

I think there's another Kubiak still on the 49ers. Yep, Clay Kubiak is still on the 49ers staff.

They all look alike, too, by the way. I'm looking at a photo.

Well, they all come from the same tree, Mina.

Yeah, that's right.

If you want to hear more about the kettle of Kubiak. Wait, wait, wait. Come to the Balasco. No.

I have one more thing for Mina. Mina, is Nick's family hitting you up for a ton of tickets for the Eagles?

No, but this is the thing, and we can maybe in here that I wanted to say about Coleen, which is I love doing podcasts with her because this is by far the most credibility I get with my in-law's is when I do anything with Coleen. Usually, the number one thing I get asked about working in a Spanish, do you know Stephen A. Smith? I'm telling you, though, if it's people from Philadelphia, do you know Coleen Wolf? Amazing. What is she like in person? Does she smell good? No, just kidding. My in-laws were like crazy, Silver Linings playbook style, Google's fans. Talk about Coleen like... Oh, no. I love that. They knew her. They're like, She's come up so... They're legitimately so proud of you because you came up through the local Philly. Anyway, so They're going to be so impressed. They think it's so cool that I know you.

That's really funny. The fact that we lived in the same neighborhood growing up, I did, and nick and his family lived in the same exact development. I love that. Kind of a small world. Weird, right?

It is a small world. I love it.

Colleen is hosting me. I tell him she's hosting the Super Bowl, like the Super Bowl, the Super Bowl.

She is hosting it. It'll be fun. I'm going to tell them, That's what I'm going to say, but don't watch opening day because there's a more important show going on in Los Angeles. No, you can watch it because you're in Philadelphia, but not if you're in LA. If you're in LA, come to the live podcast. Screw calling Wolf.

Perfect.

Yes, the show is-I love your in-laws.

Tell them I said hi.

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Probably get into some football. I suspect that'll be a dabble. A dabble.

That's a good idea.

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Say goodbye in the manner of Liam Kome.

Goodbye.

You're so creeped out right now, right? You're so creeped out right now.

I am creeped It's the movement that does it. The great Mina Kymes. We will wrap up our show. We're going to actually tie a few loose ends here, the three of us. All right. After we're going to talk like a-Surprise. We're going to get... I am surprising you a little bit. We're going to talk the coordinators. I just feel weird that we haven't mentioned. Robert Salah is back with the 49ers. That's weirdly, of all these moves, maybe the one that is going to have the most impact. I I like it. Who wins the Super Bowl next year? Can't you imagine this time next year being like, Sal returned to the 49ers, and here they are back in the big game. They figured it all out. I can totally see that happening. That's a massive It's a massive move for them.

I think the players, too, are really excited about it.

Yeah, they're going to be fired up. I'm excited about this because three years after this move has been made, something new will have been formed or shaped between the battles at practice that those two famously got into between Kyle's offense and Bob Salah's defense and the clashes and the yelling and then the brainstorming that happened after that is legendary, and new things will come out of that. I think that is what Kyle Shanahan is most looking for. If you read the tea leaves in San Francisco right now is new ideas and refinding that person who helped set you on a course with some new ideas.

Yeah, he sucked all the life out of Mike McDaniel, and he's gone, and Robert Salah, and he's gone.

All of the Kyle Shanahan horrexes have been spread.

He has been there a while. I was thinking about Kyle Shanahan when Mina said about the message getting stale, maybe a little bit for Pete Darryl. It is a bit of a danger. Bill Barcells always thought it was eight years, I thought was his number, or maybe it was 10 years. But it's hard to reinvent yourself as you go, and that's what they're trying to do.

There's a cycle. Who knows if any of us will even be alive on Sunday?

Yes, that's something Kyle would say. That's true. Maybe he'll hire his old friend Bobby Sloik because we hadn't mentioned that he was let go by the Texans. Not a surprising move to me based on what they looked like on paper, but is surprising in the sense that Demeco Ryans is going to be a third-year head coach, and his team has made the divisional round back-to-back years. You don't want to celebrate a firing, but I think that showed something from Demeco Ryans, and I think it made sense. We'll to see who's going to be the option there. The bears announced that their offensive coordinator is going to be a man by the name of Declan Doyle, who Ben Johnson spent time with in New Orleans in Sean Payton staff, and Sean Payton took him to Denver.

Is he straight from Dublin, this man?

I don't think so. Declan Doyle. I don't think so because his dad was a strength coach at Iowa who ran into some controversy and was fired for making racist comments when Urban Meyer I tried to hire him at Jacksonville, and I was like, oh, wow. But that's his dad. It's not Declan. For Ben Johnson to choose this guy and say that's the guy I want running my offense.

He's 28 years old, too. He was born in 1996. My math's probably off, but it's crazy how younger some of these coordinators are getting here over here.

They just keep getting younger and younger.

And we keep aging.

Denver staff keeps getting picked apart, like some position coaches. That's another one. Darren Mujee, I believe it is. Moji, the GM of the Jets, was from Denver as well. So Sean Payton, that's a credit to him. And then who am I forgetting here? I think that's-I think you got them all. I think we're good. I think we're good. Offensive coordinators. We'll announce them as they are official.

We've talked about these guys enough. Now we have to actually see them do the job.

Apparently, this really young guy, Tanner Engstrom, is supposed to be Aaron Glenn's offensive coordinator with the Jets, but that's not official yet. We'll see. He is the favorite People thought he was going to get the job with the Lions, and Dan Campbell decided to go with John Morton. That was who I was thinking of, who is 55 years old, not a young gun, and has been around a lot, and was also on that Denver staff.

Isn't nick Kaylee in the mix, too?

For offensive coordinator for the Jets?

Supposedly, the report is this guy, Tenor Angstrom, who's very young, and I think maybe was surprised. People were surprised that he didn't get the job.

To my knowledge, Jets haven't requested Kaylee as of yesterday when I looked into it. But it doesn't mean it's not coming. But McVeigh was noting publicly that they haven't sent that over yet. But you wanted to talk about Dennis Allen, right? Yes. That's what I was on my phone for right in front of you, rudely, just now, just trying to make sure we got-That's a good staff there.

I think Ben Johnson, I think he had an idea of what he was going to do, and he put it together. I think Dennis Allen can be a good defensive coordinator, again, in the NFL. I wanted to mention something that started way back at the beginning of the season. We made a promise to our listeners when we did the tiny table that we would circle back at the end of the year, and we would decide who had the best picks. It was supposed to be a committee of people. I think only one of those people that we announced as part of the committee is sitting back there right now. That's Eric Roberts. Eric Roberts is going to decide who won the tiny table competition. Transition of 2025. I'm surprising everyone here. I meant to go over the over-unders with Mina, but we were running long. It's not. We made eye contact like I had to have something ready, and I'm like, I don't know what's happening right now. None of us do. Here were our Oh, no. Okay. I'm going to give you my take on it before we even start. We all were pretty mixed.

It's going to be tough for you to pick, Eric. Had some good ones, had some bad ones. Mine were that the Seahawks will win the division and that the Cowboys will collapse.

Those were mine.

Jordan's were the Texans are going to the Super Bowl, and a starting quarterback will get traded before the deadline. Kaleen had some vague one, a vague one to start. Perfect. But it was so right. The Bills will run the football well all year long. Yeah, they did. And Trevor Lawrence will have a career best season. That didn't go too well. We also had a speed round, by the way. I said Kyler Murray will get some MVP votes. That's not going to happen. And that Chris O'Lavi was going to have a monster season. That didn't happen because of injuries. Jordan had Max Crosby winning Defensive Player of the Year. Not so much. Jackson Smith in Jigba being the number one receiver in Seattle. That did happen. There we go. That did happen. Then the Coleen had the Falcons winning the division and the AFC South getting three teams into the playoff. All right.

The speed round, I don't I really prepared for that one.

You skimmed right over this, too. We've texted about this all year, Greg, is that one of your big regrets this season-That's true. Is that you were so right about the Cowboys, but you moved off your take so fast. No.

The second week, I was like, I guess after they won big in week one, the second week of the show, I was like, I guess I was wrong about my tiny table. No, I was right. You got to stick with it. I don't know. We didn't exactly cover ourselves in glory here, Eric, but you get to decide who is the winner. The winner was supposed to get steaks. Yes. Actual steak. That's right. What Jordan pointed out will be the deciding factor is that you were wishy-washy about your Cowboys take, and I want the Bills to win something this year. Pauline's take about the Bills running the ball.

Congratulations. Look at that.

I did not know that you would be the judge of this. I also forgot that this was a competition. So thank you. I'm honored.

We saw that coming. Speech? Anyone you'd like to thank?

I love coming in here on Tuesdays. My My CNX Tuesday crew has been awesome all season long. This has been really fun this year, and I can't believe we're all going to New Orleans to watch the Eagles in the Super Bowl.

This is the last one in the studio. So I'm glad we did it, and I'm glad you ended up a champion. Thank you.

I meant to bring up. I'm glad we all snipped out Greg's attempt at manipulating the contest at the last minute.

Okay, since she's pushing me to it, I meant to mention the over-under draft with Mina back in the day, but it just felt like that was such a nice note that we went out on, and I didn't want to bring that up awkwardly. It's a little awkward that I went 4-0 and went undefeated for the third straight year.

There he is. He just cannot help himself.

The Bills over nine and a half. I mean, they had that early. The bears under nine and a half, nailed it. 49ers didn't even sniff 11 and a half, got that under. The Texans came down to the very last week, and Davis Mills got it done for me Four and O. People are saying this is one of the most unbreakable records in sports, Coleen. Because we did this-I've heard that. We did this on the Around the NFL podcast as well. I'm just setting it- Three straight ears, undefeated. It's a total 11 and O.

I just want to say-Speitch. No, that was your speech. I set my stopwatch just to make sure that you and Coleen had equal time. You did not have equal time. You had more time than Coleen.

I do want to give your son some credit. Oh, That's right. Walker made pics, too. How did his over-unders go? I went back and listened, and you said that you were going to bring him into that over-under show, but he went chalk and just picked the overs for last year's Championship Game teams. Okay. We talked a lot of tree talk here, and your tree performed pretty well. He went three in one lap. Wow. Good job by Walker. He went over on the Chief's Baltimore, the lions, and the 49ers all over their numbers. I got to be proud.

Can everyone stop saying the word Daddy, please, for the love of God?

I've never been more proud. Play the music. He nailed three of those. 49ers didn't come through with the... Let's get out of here. Kevin Clark went three and one as well. Mina went two and two with her picks, but she had a great first pick over Broncos by six wins. Yes. When we're circling our bets from the beginning of the season, when it's the last time for See You Next Tuesday, you know football's back.

. From Walker.