Transcript of Jim Kwik: Is AI Destroying Your Brain Health? What Entrepreneurs Must Know | Mental Health | E385

We are always upgrading to the next GPT or next app or next phone. Are people going to upgrade their minds fast enough to take advantage all the opportunities that AI is going to be creating for you?

Today, we're welcoming back the world's number one brain coach, Jim Kwik. Jim returns with fresh insights for the AI era, showing you exactly how to upgrade your brain so you don't just keep up, you stand out.

We're living in the fastest changing era in human history. Technology is evolving faster than our biology.

Where do you personally draw the line when it comes to AI, in your day-to-day work?

I'm trying to make a conscious effort, whether it's AI or any form of technology, to spend less time on screens when I don't have to. Just wanted to let people know while they can grow older, they can grow better. But you need to... I realized that after 34 years as a brain coach, that it's not how smart you are, it's how are you smart. We hypnotize ourselves by saying, I don't have focus, I don't have motivation, I don't have energy, I don't have a great memory. These are not things you have, they're things you do. And I I think entrepreneurs need to appreciate it. Your mind is like a muscle. It's use it or lose it. A term I coined was digital deduction, where we are outsourcing our thinking.

What are some actionable things that we can start doing immediately to just make sure that we're still using our brain, even though we have all this technology at our fingertips?

I feel like there are a number of things.

So first of all, Young and Profitors. Today, we're welcoming back the world's number one brain coach, Jim Kwik. Jim first joined us on episode 190, where he broke down powerful memory hacks, accelerated learning techniques, and his journey from being labeled the boy with a broken brain to becoming a global expert on mental performance. This time, Jim returns with fresh insights for the AI era, showing you exactly how to upgrade your brain so you don't just Keep up, you stand out. We're diving into cognitive fitness, focus, sleep optimization, and self-awareness so you can turn AI into your competitive advantage. Plus, Jim shares his brain type framework to help you learn faster, think sharper, and perform at your highest level. But before we get started, if this is your first time tuning in, make sure you follow us for more amazing value-packed content. Jim, welcome to Young and Profiting podcast.

We're good to be back. Thank you everyone who's tuning in for this Brainy conversation.

Yeah, I am so excited to talk to you. You came on a little bit over a year ago, and since then, so much has changed. Ai has taken over the world. I think in our last conversation, we didn't even bring up AI. We're going to play our previous conversation on Friday. We talked about memory techniques. We talked about your early childhood and your career journey. If you guys want to listen to that, check that out on Friday. But today, we're just jumping straight into how we need to evolve our brain now that AI has taken taking over. You talk about new mind for a new world. What do you mean by that?

As everyone who's listening could relate to, we're living in the fastest changing era in human history. Technology is evolving faster than our biology. When I say new mind for a new world, it's really about developing a competitive advantage that AI potentially is not going to as easily duplicate a trained and energized, adaptive, a creative human brain. What does it mean practically? I don't know if you saw this, a couple of months ago, there was the CEO of DeepMind over at Google, their top AI scientist, and his exact quote was, learning how to learn will be this generation's most needed skill. I think that's very telling. It means upgrading how we learn, expanding how we think. You and I have talked about protecting our focus, strengthening our memory, developing wisdom, not just knowledge. I have a general belief that AI, for me, AI is not so much about artificial intelligence. It's really about augmented intelligence. It's a partner, it's a collaborator, it's a tool. Just like any tool, it's a form of technology. But if you don't upgrade the firmware of your mind, even the smartest tools would help you to overcome the limitations that you have.

I'm very optimistic about technology. I've always been pro-technology, and so I'm excited for this conversation.

You just mentioned we have to learn in a different way now that AI is around. We can't just totally depend on AI for everything. We've got to use our human intelligence as well. Talk to us about how we should actually leverage AI when it comes to learning or the different ways that we should be learning now that AI is here.

In broad strokes, then we can get into really real specifics. In our previous conversation, we go into a lot of accelerated learning techniques. I think AI AI has shifted us from thinking to outsourcing our thinking. I talked about this in Limitless, even when it came out five years ago. I talk about digital distraction, I talk about digital dementia. Our memories aren't as strong because we're relying on technology to remember things for us. I talked about digital deluge, which is the overload and overwhelm with AI. Now, some people are suggesting that the amount of information is doubling every 12 hours because just think about all the information, all the content, I feel like. And so that amount of information doubling at Disney speed is how we learn and retain it and understand it. It hasn't grown a lot, so that growing gap creates a lot of challenges in terms of overload and information anxiety. A term I coined was digital deduction, where we are outsourcing our thinking and your mind It's like a muscle. It's use it or lose it. We've gone from remembering to searching for things. We've gone from analyzing to everything is auto-completing for ourselves.

Ai is accelerating the answers, which is very convenient, but I think it atrophies things. The mental muscle is required for focus, for problem solving, for innovation, for original thought. It's like a technology is if your office or your home is in the fourth floor, an elevator or a lift is a form of technology. Very convenient. But then there's a cost because then we're not taking the stairs where we could get some physical fitness. I feel like, again, your mind, your brain is like, use it or lose it. If I put my arm in a sling for a year, it wouldn't stay the same. When it was stronger, it would go stronger. It atrophy. And that's my concern because we're seeing right now, there was a study at MIT where students would take some exam and they had ChatGPT, others had Google search, others had to do original content. And we see declines in working memory We see weakening critical thinking skills. We're seeing shorter and shorter attention spans. So it's the overreliance on these external brains I'm concerned about, where AI is incredibly efficient, but where I feel like we have to make choices and who am I to say where that needle should go?

I don't want to replace effort, just like working out and exercise and physical fitness. I think tools should amplify our potential, amplify our impact in our intelligence, but not sedate it, not anesthetize it.

Yeah. I feel like there's certain things that humans are better at than AI and certain things that AI is better at than humans. I thought we could warm ourselves up playing a little bit of an interactive game where you say, is it human, AI, or tie in terms of the ability? Who does it better? Human, AI, or tie. The first one is creativity.

I'm going to error on human. I am human, so it could be an error. I think AI mixes. But in terms of creativity, humans creating something new and originating a new thought, I like that because I think creativity, again, AI is mixing things, but it's not necessarily originating new things. That's how I view creativity.

Okay. Critical thinking.

Oh, these are all going to be really close.

Well, they can be a tie, too.

I'm very pro-human, so I think a lot of you are going to see that way. That's okay. Because still, they're chess players that are beating AI. I would go human. Ai analyzes. Okay, so it depends how you were defining the AI analyzes better than humans, but I think humans discern meaning. I would cue it more human.

Memory recall.

Ai stores more information. No competition there's. I would have to give it to AI. Humans remember things that matter, especially emotionally, but there's definitely going to be some ceiling.

That's the purpose of AI, right? You feed it stuff and it remembers it and gives it to you back. Pattyrn, recognition.

I would have to give it to AI. Humans are great pattern recognizers, but AI can analyze things things in much more data than humans can.

How about cross-domain pattern recognition?

That I would give to humans. I think this is where a lot of breakthroughs come from. Cross-domain, looking at things from different verticals, I would give that more of a human equality.

How about imagination?

Imagination and intuition, I would give human. Ai can remix things that already exist, but humans could create new. Even for intuition, I think humans always... Wisdom is encoded in DART being more instinctual.

I feel like this was a really great overview, and it shows that humans actually have a lot going for us, right? That AI is not going to replace us right away, I don't think.

I mean, you hear this all the time that AI won't replace you. It'll replace the other person who doesn't use AI compared to somebody who does use it. It would certainly have an advantage. But I think it's also, I think it'll replace a person who won't adapt. I think that's the purpose of us being here as human beings is to evolve. I think AI won't replace the mind. It's here to reveal what our mind is truly capable, whether AI will take your job. I think the real question is, will I make the commitment to upgrade my mind? We are always upgrading to a GPT or next app or next phone. Are people going to upgrade their minds fast enough to take advantage of all the opportunities that AI is going to be creating for you? Ai is a tool, but I always think about how AI enhance HI, human intelligence, because that's the ultimate source. It is human intelligence. I created AI, and I feel like AI is like a hammer, but humans are the hand that's wielding it. It's our ability to adapt, to unlear, to we learn to create new thoughts, to upgrade our performance.

It's going to determine more the quality of our life, the quality of our business, the quality of our impact than any technology will.

Where do you personally draw the line when it comes to AI in your day-to-day How do you use it and where do you say, I'm absolutely not using AI for any of these tasks?

Our team is very pro-technology because I feel like we're a disadvantage if we don't. At all areas of our business, from customer service to marketing, to content, we use AI as a support. We're always looking to be able to simplify, to amplify, to automate things because ultimately, our time is limited. Our energy is somehow limited, our focus is limited. But what's limitless is leverage. I mean, it's hard to find one area of our life where I don't use technology. But I also... There's a quote in limitless that says, Life is the letter C between B and D, where B is birth and D is death, and life, C is choice. These difficult times, they could distract you, of which many people are distracted. These difficult times can diminish you. People feel more limited sometimes. Or these difficult times, they could develop us. We ultimately decide. I'm trying to make a conscious effort, whether it's AR or any form of technology, to I spend less time on screens when I don't have to. If there's an analog opportunity just for my... Again, I'm dating myself and I'm in my 50s, but I also embrace technology, but I always like reading books, like real paper books, because I don't even have an excuse to be on a screen.

But I'm practical when I'm traveling, I can't carry seven books because I read a book a day, and that's not very practical. I'll read something on a screen. I put borders and boundaries, though. I do a digital detox once a week Whether it's a full Sunday or a certain amount of time, I definitely have borders and boundaries around the morning use of technology and the evening use of technology because I find them extremely sensitive. I don't want to start my day in that distracted mode or this reactive mode. I want to make sure I go to sleep and I'm not on my devices, doomscrolling and context switching. I don't want to get that parasympathetic rest and digest. But I like to indulge in things that are more human. Intuition, that I mentioned, Imagination, creativity, something that AI can make it like judgment calls. Things when we're talking about ethics, we're talking about nuance, we're talking about human values. I like to be mostly creative myself and then use AI as a content partner. I like to come up with new ideas because I always ask myself questions like, How to do it in a different way, or if I was in this profession, how would I look at this?

I think creativity is connecting dots from other fields. My meditation, that's self-awareness mindfulness exercises in the inner work, the intrapersonal development. I also want to just to not lose my compassion and my empathy feeling on other people's life. Sometimes when we're so data-driven, we forget their human beings. Even something simple, we have students in every country in the world. We have over 100 million downloads on our podcast, a couple of million on YouTube. But so easy to look at stats and forget their stories behind them. In our Slack, even, we take all those joy stories, these testimonials. We take screenshots, put it up on our Slack channel called Joy Stories. Every time somebody logs in from work, first thing they start today, wherever they are in the world, they have to read those first. Just remind people why we do what we do. I feel like those are human elements.

I know that you were just saying you read paper books and you do things to strengthen your brain like it's a muscle. You talk about mental fitness a lot. You are also Now, mentioning early on in this conversation how AI is weakening everybody's brains to a degree because we're becoming more dependent on it. What are some actionable things that we can start doing immediately to just make sure that we're still using our brain, even though we have all this technology at our fingertips?

First of all, we teach people the software, how to learn faster, how to learn a language, how to read faster, how to remember fax figures, give speeches without notes, not have to use a teleprompter prompter when they make videos or whatever it is like that. That's more of this program software. I want to remind people how important it is to also take care of the hardware, which is that three pound matter between our ears also. I could teach somebody great techniques on how to learn faster or how to focus better. But if they have brain fog or they're struggling with mold or they're not sleeping or whatever, they're just not going to get the results that they're hoping for. Just four things just to think about that are easy. Enhancements is to take your meds, M-E-D-S, just really quick. The M is meditation. I don't know if you have a mindfulness practice yourself.

Not really, to be honest. I've interviewed Deepak Chovera and all these people, and I still haven't done too much of a mind. I do a lot of visualization and mental imagery is what I like to do. I definitely think a lot and take walks, but I don't sit there and I don't think formally meditate.

I think Nature is a wonderful way. Nature, for me, is a cure. We hear a lot about ADD. I think a lot of people suffer from nature deficit disorder, and that could be a way of reconnecting with yourself. You disconnect to reconnect. Yes, chronic stress is a big challenge for a lot of people, and it could shrink the human brain. So that time off, even if it's 5 or 10 minutes to reset or rejuvenate, I feel like it's a necessity. I feel like I'm at a disadvantage if I don't do it 10 minutes a day, twice a day, especially when my mental energy is dipping Like we're after lunch or something like that. D is exercise. I just want to remind everybody that as your body moves, your brain grows. When you exercise, you create BD&F, brain-derived neurotrophic factors, which is the key to neuroplasticity, is fertilizer for your brain. The D is diet, what you eat matters, especially for your gray matter. We talked a lot about last time, some of the best brain foods. In the new book, we talked on utropics, like certain substances that are highly studied that has been shown to enhance cognitive performance, your focus, your memory, your mood, your mental energy.

We put a listing actually on website, stuff like that, brainnutrition. Com. You're not going to have to buy the book. We put all the studies and different things that's been tested well. Then the S is sleep. As great as AI is, as helpful as for our business, for entrepreneurs, to level up learning and life. If you're not sleeping, how's your brain going to even interact with AI? When you're suffering and you're making mistakes or you don't have the mental energy, your focus is slipping and can't understand what you're learning through AI. I would start with those four basic things. Most of it outside of diet, which food we're paying for anyway, is free. Meditation, exercise, sleep. It doesn't take a lot of time, but there are big need a movers, for sure.

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Yes. When we sleep, specifically for our brain, I want to highlight two things. When you sleep, you clean out the beta amyloid plaque that could lead to brain aging challenges. Alzheimer's and dementia doesn't just show up at a later age. There's a 30-year runway. I would say that taking care of your sleep, that's when the sewage system kicks in in your brain. But also that's where you consolidate short to long-term memory. If you have memory issues, check your sleep. Most of us could get a sleep study done. You may have to go to a sterile sleep clinic and stay the night there with all these cameras. You can actually get one at home sent to you, and it's very easy. A lot of people suffer from undiagnosed sleep apnea, which is a breathing disorder, and they're like an oxygen, they're waking up, not be able to breathe. I think that that's important. In terms of optimizing sleep, you want to keeping your brain young. The good thing about what I teach is it's very measurable. I've been doing this for 34 years, and I'm reading faster, I'm remembering more, and just want to let people know while they can grow older, they can grow better.

But you need to challenge your brain. You need to oxygenate it, you need to nourish it, and you need to rest it. Also, connected with a sense of purpose. I know I'm probably preaching to the choir. Most people know that with reasons come results and be able to follow certain things that sustain you over time. Because I think a lot of people are burnt out, not because they're doing too much. Sometimes we're burnt out because we're doing too little of the things that light us up, the things that make us come alive. Those are the reasons. I talk about the reasons to sleep because, in other ways, we won't deal with the things, right? Consolidating memory, cleaning out the toxins. When you sleep also, it regulate your hormones, it repairs your brain cells. With bad sleep, you have bad memory. With bad memory, you have no learning. With bad learning, you have no leadership for your business. How's your sleep in general?

To be honest, my sleep is usually pretty good. I really care about my sleep. For example, before interviews, I'm I'm so serious about I have to get good sleep because I know the number one way that I'll do terrible on an interview is this, for some reason, I get bad sleep. I could not study enough or be stressed or whatever and be fine. It's like when I don't have sleep I just can't think. To me, it's the most important factor.

Yeah. Even when people think about their schooling, if they pull all-nighters, it's not good for your learning also as well. Even taking naps after you learn something, it's been shown to enhance your recall of that information. You can use naps or sleep or meditation very strategically. Also as well. My favorite thing with sleep, because I work with a lot of athletes and certainly a lot of CEOs and even world leaders talk about the importance of sleep. Never make an important decision on a bad night's sleep because you're just going to make more mistakes when you're sleep-deprived. I would say direct sunlight first thing in the morning, 10 minutes is non-negotiable for me. Your eyes are the only part of your brain that's outside your skull, so it resets your circadian rhythm. When you get early sunlight, you're going to sleep better at night overall, not through windows because it could filter out a certain spectrum of light, but just go outside. Even if it's hazy or foggy, you still get the benefit. Number two, watch your caffeine Caffeine intake, if you're sensitive. I'm very sensitive to caffeine, so I can't do caffeine past noon because it could stay in your body upwards of 10 hours.

Number three, I would say you have an alarm clock to wake up. I would challenge everybody. Just one little thing, have an alarm clock to go to bed. Your brain loves a schedule, even on weekends. No one's perfect about this. I certainly am not. I went to the Wicked Premiere last night in New York City, and I didn't get back until 2: 00 AM. So there are off days. But In general, to the degree, you could go to bed at the same time, wake up at the same time, you'll have better overall sleep long term. Then finally, two big ones. You know it'd be time to sleep because the environment would tell you thousands of years ago. It would get darker and it would get cooler. Sleeping in a cooler environment will help you sleep better. Now, where it's so cold, you're shivering because that'll wake you up. But even if you take a nice warm bath or a warm shower or a sauna, you get out, your core body temperature drops, and that's a signal for your nervous system for you to create melatonin, which is the hormone that tells you it's time to relax.

And then dark, as dark as you can make it. And one of the culprits there, again, is our screens. When you're on your phones, the blue light could your mind and think it's still daylight and you won't create that melatonin. So sleep isn't non-negotiable for anyone who wants to perform better.

Now, let's talk about how our brain is actually performing in modern day life. You were just talking about blue light that impacts our sleep. I think I heard from you in the past that our brain is really operating at 40% capacity, usually. Talk to us about why that is.

There's a myth out there that says we only use 10% of our brain. We actually use all of our brain. Just like if When you're going for a hike, pretty much all your muscles are engaged. It's just some people are more physically fit and they have some techniques. What would crush somebody else won't challenge another person because they have physical fitness and health. Same thing with having greater brain fitness and brain health. It's just not a challenge as much. They could go longer, they could retain more, they could perform better. I would say if we don't utilize as much of its potential on a regular basis, it's because we weren't shown how. I think number one reason we have brains besides controlling our movement is to be able to think, to be able to learn, to be able to adapt. But when did we learn how to do any of those things? School taught us what to learn, math, history, science, but there are no classes or courses on how to learn, how to think. They teach you what to think or what to learn, but not how. I would say a focus on just like the CEO of DeepMind, Google's DeepMind AI program, saying, learning how to learn, I would say your ability to learn, to unlear, to relearn is the ultimate advantage.

Because then if you learn rapidly, everything else is easy. You could apply it towards money, music, martial arts, marketing, mandarin, whatever. Everything gets easy. I wrote, Let me listen to your podcast, Good People, an Owners' manual for your brain. But I think it starts with awareness, like any change is know thyself. A lot of people say it's hard sometimes to go in and look in the mirror and see the things that we need to get better at to make a better life. I would also say part of it, besides awareness, is a commitment. I mean, if we're going to get really raw, change is scary because it's the unknown. Your nervous system is not designed for growth. It's designed for safety. When there was to preserve your survival, it's scary. Going up to that person to start up business or get an investor or working out or studying something brand new, that's scary because it's unknown. Our amygdala fires off like it's a threat because the unknown is threatening. We act like it's a sabre-dou-tiger, even though it's not. We're in our survival brain, which is like fight or flight, but it holds us hostage from the executive functioning, our ability to make decisions, our ability to adapt, our ability to innovate, solve problems, all the things that make us better entrepreneurs.

Safety is important. But I would say life is hard and growth is hard. Change is scary, growth is hard, but nothing is as scary and hard as being stuck somewhere you don't belong. I feel like if you're going to go, especially on the entrepreneurial path, either aspiring or maybe you're more established, it's been the biggest growth experience of my life. While I read every day and I always level up and I have mentors and coaches running a business, wow, just It's just like your intimate relationship. It's like a mirror that pushes you in ways that you need to develop. It's not necessarily getting that goal, it's who you have to become that worthy to be able to create that goal. But yeah, I would say being stuck somewhere you don't belong is hard. But life is hard for one of two reasons, though. Either you leave your comfort zone, you start that business, you market, you get your brand out there, whatever, or life is difficult because you stay in your comfort zone. While the comfort zone is a nice place to visit, nothing grows there. And so we adapt through change. I think one of the most important skills to develop for all of us is a level of cognitive flexibility and cognitive antifragility.

I don't talk a lot about these concepts, but I I think there are two things that you're going to hear more and more about. Cognitive antifragility is we all hear about resilience, right? You want to be more resilient. Resilience is in the form of challenge or struggle, you bounce back. You're resilient. You take a hit, you bounce back. It's a baseline. Cognitive antifragility is not just bouncing back, it's bouncing forward. It's a law in nature and biology. For example, hormesis or hermetic response. A lot of biohackers talk about this, temperature, cold therapy, or heat adaption. That's a hermetic response. We're getting stronger because we're challenging ourselves. A child's immune system. We know that children at an early age that are exposed to more bacteria, different forms, their immune system is stronger. So that's antifragility. They're not just resilient, that they're actually stronger because that challenge led to change. But are we doing hard things? We don't necessarily have to seek hard things because a lot of life can be hard also as well. But you don't want things to break you where you're so rigid. That's where cognitive flexibility comes in because if you're rigid, you break.

But if you're more like a bamboo, you bend and then you grow. Cognitive flexibility, which I think is extremely important nowadays, is mental parkour. You ever see those people on YouTube or whatever, social media, TikTok, that can just jump from here to there and do all these amazing things with their body? I feel like mental cognitive rigidity, you'll pay a price in business. The classic examples are things like Kodak. They had the most amazing engineers. They created the basis of the digital photography, but they're gone. Instagram, everything else is there. The technology lives on because they were cognitively rigid, they weren't cognitively flexible. You could do the same thing for Blockbuster or Netflix in terms of how things So I feel like as human beings, if we're too cognitively rigid, we're not open. Our minds are like a parachute, only works when they're open, then we're in trouble. And so cognitive flexibility, how can you be more cognitive flexible? How can you see things from other people's opinion? How can you change your beliefs based on new data? Because it's hard. Sometimes our egos are attached to it, or our identity is attached to a certain way, or we have sunk fallacy where we've invested so much in this certain thing, a way of learning or a way of studying, and then something else comes new that might be brighter and better, but we're stuck because we've invested something.

What are we saying about ourselves? If we just spent years learning something or being a certain way. It takes us in anything from micro to macro politics or whatever. I think cognitive flexibility. How do you build, again, cognitive antifragility. You challenge yourself on a regular basis, you expose yourself to new ideas, you get out of the echo chamber remember that we often are driven by algorithms. You had a great interview I listened to with Mo. And with the algorithms, there's an algorithm to social media. Whatever you engage with the most, that algorithm learns and gives you more of that information. But you're never getting the other side of it. And you just feel like that's your news feed and that's your life. But your mind also has a similar algorithm. Whatever you engage with on a regular basis, your reticular activating system is being trained to look for that stuff. And so you just look at everything that's dark and doomscrolling, whatever, you start seeing that everywhere throughout your day, and you feel like that's what life is, or that's what possibility is, or that's what the economy is, or that's what the opportunity is.

I think we have to stand guard to our mind, just as we are with our body, the water that we drink or the food that we eat, we have to stand guard to what's going... Because food is just information, but learning is also information also as well. So we have to be very discerning. Also, even if you're debating somebody, maybe it's a family member or friends during holidays or whatever, it takes a a lot of courage to just have empathy, not saying that person is right, but like an exercise would be like, if I had five minutes, how can I argue for that person in their favor? And be able to take on and try a new point of view. I just feel like it's a certain level of mental maturity and strength to be able to entertain different ideas and then make decisions based on your current understanding of things. Cognitive flexibility can be enhanced by going outside your domain. That's where a lot of innovation comes from, from an entrepreneur. There's a book called The Structure of Scientific Revolution, and I think it's boring, but what I got out of it is most innovation comes from people outside your industry because it takes somebody else from the outside to look in with a different point of view that doesn't have the same learned helplessness or this is the way you do something.

Like Elon Musk looking at the car industry saying, Hey, if we're going to make automobiles today with today's technology from zero, thinking, how would we do it? That's amazing. Listen to podcasts that you wouldn't normally listen to or follow other people that you wouldn't normally listen. Just keep cognitively flexible. Then in terms of resilience, how do you do difficult things? Now, I'm going to start small. I've talked for 30 years about, Hey, when you wake up, try brushing your teeth with the opposite hand because it could stimulate a different part of your brain. But then what it's doing is it's getting you to do something difficult. It forces you to focus. So you're to exercise your focus muscles because you can't do it without focus. But also it becomes a great entry habit because they're like, wow, I could try. Now it's a habit after a week or two of doing it, what habits can I stack onto it? And so seeking difficulty in ways that's also not going to create any permanent damage or hurting anybody. I I think there's benefit because if you just do the easy things in life, put things off, procrastinate, then life gets hard.

We tend to do the hard things and have that typical conversation, and things tend to be easier. I feel like those are two things that are I've never, ever talked about, fragility and cognitive flexibility. Meta-learning, the idea of learning how to learn. Meta-thinking, which is the science of thinking about your own thinking, because most people just think these are just how things are. A belief is nothing but a thought that you've had thousands of times that you're reinforced. But I think 40% of what we do, how we think is habitual. It's on autopilot. I feel like those are the programs we want to upgrade because it's shaping everything.

Such good advice for entrepreneurs. So thank you for sharing that. And entrepreneurs also, aside from just challenging themselves, they need to focus, right? Especially there's things that we need to do as entrepreneurs that we don't necessarily want to do, we don't enjoy doing, but we have to do them and we have to get it done. So can you help us understand some of the things that prevent us from focusing these days and how we can avoid things like multitasking and context switching?

Multitasking, we know is a myth. You're really test switching. The thing you think you're gaining, you're actually losing, which is time. When you go from one thing to another, I'm talking about cognitive things. We call walk and listen to a podcast because the walking is physical. But when we're trying to do two mental things at once, it doesn't happen very well because when we switch back and forth, it could take 5 or 10 minutes to regain our focus. So you actually lose time. The second thing it does is you make more mistakes. We work with a lot of doctors worldwide. We know surgeons that try to multitask during operations will make more errors, surgical errors. I mean, think about driving, which is mental, and texting, which is mental. There are going to be more accidents. So switch from multitasking to monotasking. The third thing people think about is it waste a lot of energy. So when you're focused on a task like your writing or check-up, so you can use switch to something else, then you have to shut this down, turn this on, use a lot of mental energy, use a lot of blood glucose.

People struggle with mental fog, with our mental fatigue. That might be why you're trying to have too many tabs open. Even if they're minimized, they're still using energy to be able to keep it up. Single task, I'm a big fan of screen-free mornings. I have a video with me and Simon Sinek. I just saw it on my Facebook memories. It came out nine years old. It has 40 million views. It's just me saying, Don't touch your screen, your phone the first 30 minutes a day and the last 30 minutes a day. But just we talked about that. I think a dopamine fast, there's all kinds of studies saying that your brain can reset after a few days off of some technology. I'm a big believer that focus is not something you have, it's something you do. We hypnotize ourselves by saying, I don't have focus, I don't have motivation, I don't have energy, I don't have a great memory. These are not things you have, they're things you do. I think entrepreneurs need to embrace and get in the habit of taking the nouns in their life. I don't have energy, I don't have focus, and turn them into verbs.

You do focus, you generate energy. Then once you turn into a verb, then there's a process and it gives you your agency back. And entrepreneurship is all about personal responsibility. You're not putting it off to somebody else. You're not blaming, you're not complaining. It just waste a lot of time and nobody really cares. And I would say personal responsibility is so very important. And focus is also muscle, but it's used or lose it just like our memory. If you're not working your memory, you're not going to remember things. But the more you train it, I don't even have to think about remembering people's names just because I've done it for so long because that muscle is built just like driving a car, it means muscles. But I think deep work blocks is very important. Sending a Timer and saying for next 25 minutes for a Pamadaro technique, I'm just going to focus on this one thing. Or you could expand it. You could do a whole all training meditation cycle for 90 minutes. Cal Newport talks a lot about deep work, but that's a way of developing your focus muscles. But if the first thing you do is pick up your phone, share a comment, cat video, whatever, is just driving this dopamine distraction meditation, then you wonder why you can't focus in a meeting or in a sales call or with a client.

I would go back to focus exercise as meditation because I don't meditate at all to become enlightened. I meditate because invariably, my thoughts will go somewhere else. When I pull it back to my breath or a mantra or a candle, whatever your technique is, then I'm training my focus muscles. I built a pathway back to being present. When I'm distracted later on with our kids, with a client, whatever, I could pull my focus back faster than normally. Then the last thing I would say about distraction and focus is we have to master your environment. The most underrated hack there is is managing your environment, period. Just like when it's sleep, if you built out a sleep sanctuary where it's very conducive, when you go in that environment, you get into that relaxed state. But if you're working in your bed and jamming your mouth? Or are you doomscrolling? What are you telling your brain and your nervous system to anchor to that activity? But also your work environment, that is a big deal. I would also say that environmental design for focus is things like In our podcast, we had a conversation about clean environment like clean air.

You could go three weeks without food. You could go three days without water. But you go three minutes without air. Most people drink, when it comes to water, 2 liters of water a day, but we will breathe 17,000 liters of air. You have no idea what mold, with neurotoxins coming from perfumes or candles or the off-gassing on furniture, besides what's the city environment, the effect it has on our nervous system. I would say environmental design for focus. Are you controlling your environment as best you can to completely focus? Because your external world is a reflection of your internal the world. If you have a lot of mess around, it takes unconscious energy to be able to keep track of all these different things, and that's wasted focus. It's diffused, not directed. So attention is a skill, but it's not just a skill, it's a training protocol. So for your environment, are you reducing visual clutter? So it's not stressing out that. Are you removing digital noise? You set focus windows of a certain amount of time that you're going to work. How do you hide your phone in another I think one of the most important functions in your phone is airplane mode.

And are you working with intention, not inertia? Your environment is either a cage for your potential or it's a catalyst. Where you go into that mode. When I focus, I just... It's like explaining to somebody what a flower smells like who's never smelt a flower or what a rainbow looks like for someone who's never seen a rainbow. I feel the same way about learning, about memory, about creativity, flow, stayed focused. It's hard to explain, but when you experience it, it's like you just can't go back. It's just like certain foods. I love certain dessert, whatever, but nothing tastes as good as just feeling alive and vibrant and how that feels.

Such good guidance. I personally love using the Pomodoro technique. I do either 25 minutes, 45 minutes, or 90 minutes. My favorite thing to do is I have an iPhone. I'll be like, put 25 minutes on the clock. Then Siri will be like, 25 minutes counting down. That clicks on my brain like, You can't do anything else but this task for 25 minutes. In those 25 minutes or 45 minutes or 90 minutes, whatever it is, I can't go get a snack, I can't go walk around, I can't go pee. I have to just sit there, do my work, and then once that's over, I reward myself with a snack, with a drink, whatever I was wanting in those minutes. Because what I find is if I go get up and have a snack or whatever, I pick up my phone, and then you lost that time. For me, that Pomodoro technique really helps me just get the most important things I need to get done in the day.

Yeah. If people are watching this on the video, I have a Pomodoro. It just means tomato. I just have a simple analog. I don't even use my phone. I have this tomato Timer used for cooking. Can I just put it on my 30 minutes? I go on a state because you've done the reps and it's just like, do it. And it's just like you don't have to use willpower. It's important. Whatever we do repeatedly, do we just get better at, even with our thoughts. That's why it's so important to control our thoughts and our feelings and our behaviors.

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Yeah, absolutely. I realized that when people go through our trainings, whether it's speedering, memory, focus, whatever, the techniques and tools help, but some people resonate with certain strategies and techniques better than others. There's a greater reward or impact. I realized that after 34 years as a brain coach, that it's not how how smart you are, it's how are you smart? It's not how smart your partner is, it's how are they smart? We all have genius in certain strengths in different areas. I put it into four different categories. People go to mybrainanimal. Com, and it's just four minutes, multiple choice, and just pick the first thing that resonates with you. Once you understand your dominant brain type, it changes everything in terms of how you learn, perform. It could also affect how you relate to your family, your loved ones, how you hire, how you manage, how you sell, even based on brain types. Just the really quick of it, just think about the word code, and I'm sure a lot of people are taking notes, C-O-D-E. These are four animals. The C stands for cheetahs. Cheetahs, their dominant trait is action. If you know somebody who's just quick to act, that's their dominant trait, they're probably a cheetah.

They're fast, they're instinctual, they are quick thinkers, they prefer to move swiftly from one task, then go to another, they thrive on speed, energy. And just even how it equates to learning, Cheetahs learn best by doing. They favor hands-on experience, quick decision-making, the dislike, overthinking or overanalyzing, paralysis, analysis, because they don't want to stop. Then you can think about the environment. They thrive in fast-paced environments where they have to problem-solve and execute. The challenges they can struggle with is long-term projects that require patience, study, deep analysis, and everything. The O in code are your owls, and their dominant trait is logic. They're analytical, they're detail-oriented. Owls are your thinkers. They love solving problems, complex problems. They like diving deep into the data. And they learn differently also. They learn well in structured environments where they could gather information, they could analyze, they could plan, they value precision so much. But then they could also suffer their challenges, analysis, paralysis, and so many different things. The D are your dolphins, and your dolphins dominant trade is creativity, imagination. They're very innovative. They tend to visualize. They have a vision for things. They have passion behind the vision, or maybe some people can't yet see it.

It's like a Walt Disney or Steve Jobs, you could think about. Their learning style tends to be more open and flexible, where they could explore and create. They could brainstorm, would make sense or create a problem solving. Then finally, the E. Actually, I haven't here. This is your AI generated. You're watching the video. This is your Cheetah, your owl, the D is your dolphin, and the E are your elephants. The E are their dominant trait is empathy? They are very inclusive. They're emotionally intelligent, they're strong EQ, they're very community-focused. They thrive on collaboration, teamwork. Their learning style is more a group setting. The discussions, collaborations. They love work environments that really foster connection, emotional engagement. Even when you just think about these animals, I had our team take this assessment, and a A hundred % of our customer service team, which animal do you think they are?

The elephant.

They're our elephants, 100%. We didn't hire them based on that assessment, but we go to our strengths. These are our community They want our community and customer service. They want people to feel seen, feel heard. My business partner of 18 years, she's our CEO. She's our dolphin. She has this vision for our mission. One billion brains. He has a lot of passion behind it. She's a great pattern recogniser. Our CFO is an owl. We didn't hire her again, but the CFO needs to see the numbers all the time, like data every day. It also plays out in entertainment. You'll always see these These archetypes. Take one of the most popular sitcom's Friends. You would have Joey as a Cheetah, doesn't think, just acts. You have someone like Ross, who's a scientist professor, who's your owl. You have Phoebe, who's music and this. You see your dolphin. Then you have individuals like Monica who wants to bring everyone together. She always wants to host all the parties, the community, and so on. You see that in Star Wars, Harry Potter, I could just go on and on. We could do this in business. We can analyze various icons like Richard Branson and Warren Buffet being the owl and so on.

And so you'll see these all the time. But once you understand your brain type, it shows you, like your kids, what their brain types are or what your team is. And then you could hire, you can manage different, and you could sell. If you're selling to an owl, you're going to use a lot of logic and evidence and data. But if you're selling to a dolphin, you want to talk about how your product or service fits into their vision. If you're talking to an elephant, you have to give them data all day or even talk about vision. What they care about is the actual connection with you. The trust, the bond, the relationship takes priority. So everyone's different. But I feel like it's a game changer for individuals. And that being said, everybody is not just one thing.

I was going to say, after those descriptions, I'm a Cheetah Dolphin. That's what I feel like I am.

That would make sense for what you've created. Because you have this vision that you've built, and you also have the action to create it, too. Because some people You could stay in ideation and just be creative all day and not do anything. Or other people could be just a Cheetah and just act, not think about this spirit thing. You have a primary, you have a secondary, and others. But it changes how you interact with yourself, and it changes how you interact with other people. If you want to get more out of yourself and more out of the people around you, it all starts with knowing yourself. Even one of my favorite movies, The Matrix, where Neo is going to visit the Oracle, the all-knowing, wise Oracle in her kitchen, she's baking cookies. Most people don't see us, but when he walks in in the kitchen, the sign above the door says, Know thyself. I think entrepreneurs, they need the curiosity to know yourself. That's why people journal or meditate or go to therapy or whatever the process to get their values and what they believe, what they stand for. But then also the other part is once you have the curiosity to know yourself, you need the courage to be yourself.

Because also a lot of people, entrepreneurs included, were so concerned about looking bad or making mistakes or What other people expect of us, parents, whatever. But having the courage to be that person that you know you are takes a certain level of courage also as well.

Yeah, and figure out what business partners you need. If you need an analytical mind in your business, you hire for that or a visionary or whatever it is that you feel like you lack.

Not any one is better than the other. It just makes it more complete. Once you understand your brain type, it explains a lot of your behavior and your results. Where can you surround yourself with other people who are in their elements also as well. Basically, yeah, cheetahs, action first, owls, information first, dolphins, imagination first, elephants, feelings first. When you're studying, you want to learn something, that's a great starting point. Because if you study against your type, you struggle. When you study with your type, you get really sore.

I'll find that quiz. I'll put it in the show notes so that everybody can take it, find out what their type It is. All right, so as we close out this interview, Jim, I want to be respectful of your time. I always ask my guests two questions to close out the show. We'll start with the first one. What is one actionable thing our young improvisers can do today to become more profitable tomorrow?

I would say to be more profitable, you have to start before you're ready. Thinking is good, but overth thinking and wanting things to be perfect, to just stall progress before it even happens. The key for momentum is that start. And I would say the most important thing to start is to do the hard thing because the treasure you seek in life is hidden in the work you're avoiding, the ones that you're putting off that you're afraid to face. And if that's so intimidating for you, I would ask yourself, what is the tiniest action I could take right now that will give me progress towards this goal where I can't fail? But I'm a big believer in doing those hard things because you know what it does? It's like you tell your partner, I'm going to bring out the trash or cut the lawn or whatever, and you don't do it. They have to remind you the next day, you don't do it. Then you're breaking trust with that person. They're not going to believe anything you say. Well, when we break the trust that we have for ourselves, that's even more powerful. Then we don't believe anything we say, the goals we say we're going to do or the book we're going to write or the podcast that we're going to start or anything else like that.

I think one of the hardest things to do if the treasure that we seek is hidden in the work we're avoiding is if you feel the call for an entrepreneur or whatever your goal is, is to create evidence that you are the person that you say you are. The life you live are lessons you teach. And don't work for likes, work for leverage. That will get us further than anything in doing that work in the silence, entrepreneurship. I've I've always been an entrepreneur. I've never gotten a paycheck in my life since I was 11 years old. So maybe I have a different skewed view, but I just always value my freedom. I'm going to do what I want, when I want,. It's never been an easy path. But I would say in terms in terms of the growth that I've had is doing the most difficult things that I never thought I could do. Then I have evidence that I am the person that I say that I am. Because this formula is you be, do, have, share. Most people want to jump to the half park, which is why lotteries and everything else is so important, so popular as they want to jump to have.

But then they lose it within a matter of years because they were never being a millionaire. So they weren't doing the things that millionaires do to have this success they won. I would say, do the hard thing that you're avoiding because that's where the treasure is. And if it's too intimidating, then break it down in the small, simple steps and you keep your word to yourself. I have certain things I have to do every day. I got in from this wicked premiere that came in really late, but I didn't read that day. It was 2: 00 AM, but I still read. I probably didn't get much out of it because I was exhausted, but I still did it because I showed up for myself and I kept my word. And that's not to say you miss one workout or whatever. Your life is ruined anymore than eating a donut ruin, but it's the consistency. I won't miss two days in a row. That's my standard. So if I commit to doing something, maybe life happens, emergency, whatever, I miss it, but I won't miss two in a row because that's the standard that we hold.

And I feel like all entrepreneurs, you need to be a thermostat. You can't afford to be a thermometer, where a thermometer just reacts the environment. In human beings, we react to the weather, the economy, to politics, how people treat us, fine. But the happiest and certainly most successful people, they don't react. They're a thermostat. They set a standard and the environment reacts to you. It gages. It still knows. That thermostat knows what the temperature is. We should know what's going on in our market and our client, whatever. But then it sets a new temperature and then the environment reacts to us. When I feel like we impose our will that all entrepreneurship has taken the invisible in your mind and make it invisible out here. In the beginning, this is not for everybody, but for most people, because we work with a lot of entrepreneurs, in the beginning, you're underpaid. But you have to feed your business until it feeds you. You have to feed your brand until it feeds you back. In the beginning, I just feel like we're underpaid. But then if you're consistent and you show up for yourself and show up for others and you're smart, you're learning, you're adapting, then eventually you're just overpaid because you have scale and you have leverage.

That's the ultimate goal is to amplify not only your income, but your impact.

I love that answer. That might have been my favorite answer all year for that question, to be honest. It was a really good answer. Let's talk about what your secret is to profiting in life, and this can be all aspects of life.

I mean, everybody will share this differently. My values are very clear. Everyone's values are different. Me, it's love, growth, contribution, adventure. Now that I know, because it's not just speed. My last name is quick, and we teach people how to learn quick and think quicker and read quicker and remember things, refraction of time. But it's also direction. A lot of people are going nowhere fast because they don't have that direction. I feel like beginning with the end in mind, I do this thought experiment. I always think about my future self, and I'm just thinking, what would my future self want me to do right now in this moment? It really presence was most important where I put my time and my attention and the choices that I make on a daily because I want to make that person proud. Whereas a lot of people, and I'm guilty of this and have been guilty in the past of this, they burden their I'll do this tomorrow or I'll deal with this tomorrow. Then they're just like, Oh, I do my tag. Then their future self hates you because you put them in a certain situation. But I think for everybody, double down in learning how to learn.

All the experts talk about it. Technology is going to adapt. You have to adapt in order to be able to catch up, keep up, and get ahead. There are resources and the ones we do, obviously, are courses, podcasts, books, whatever. Meta learning, number one. But number two, I'm also at this stage. I have a toddler and an infant in my 50s. So if anything, it's doubled down my conviction and my commitment to doing what I do. I want to build better, brighter brains because I had my traumatic brain injury. I lost my grandma to Alzheimer's. We immigrated here. My dad was 13. We lived in the back of a laundry mat that my mom worked at. Didn't speak to language. This whole thing, this whole story. But I think we could rewrite our stories. And part of it is getting mentors. And if people see me with Elon or Bill Gates or Oprah, people always want to know how we bonded. We bonded over books. In the beginning, I I didn't have the education. I had a dollar to my name, didn't have the connections or whatever. I went to a library and read books.

It sounds so archaic as who goes to the library now, but they were like my friends in my mind. I feel like you just invest into those things and it just shapes your perspective on the world. And so learn how to learn, know your values in terms of what's most important to you so you could focus on those things. Begin with the end in mind and think about your future self as a thought exercise. I I'd do this whole thing I call future episodic remembering. You have a goal, you imagine, but it's so real. Imagine your most amazing dream life or situation, but imagine you can remember it. You could think about it and it's as crystal clear as a memory you had yesterday. That's the power of what our minds could do. I feel like we've discovered more about the human mind than the past 10 years and the previous thousand years combined. We found that we were grossly underestimated our own capabilities, our own potential, that we could redraw the borders and boundaries of what's possible, that we're on this journey to reveal and realize this amazing potential and purpose. But sometimes we downgrade our dreams to fit our current situation, our current mindset, when we could expand our mind to fit all that's really possible.

When I talk about that future self, I think everyone, and if you've listened this far, that there's a version of yourself and your business and your brand and your bank account that's patiently waiting for you. The goal is we show up every single day until we're introduced. I came from parents of immigrants with no a lot of means. I had a traumatic brain injury. I was labeled learning disabled, called the boy with a broken brain. I was always made fun of for being slow. Since my last name was quick, I'd be teased and all this stuff. I could never read a book. All through school, I never read one book. My teachers would have been surprised if I read a book, much less wrote books. My two biggest challenge was learning. Because learning, my biggest fear in life was public speaking because I never knew the answers forever. I would always shrink down in class. I never want to be called on. I didn't want to take up space, so I wouldn't be bullied, and I didn't want the spotlight. But public speaking and learning, and life has a sense of humor because what do I do for a living?

I travel the world. I've been three continents in one week in front of 300,000 people a year live. All I do is public speak on this thing called learning. But it's a reminder that through struggles, we get strength. Through challenge, there's change. I don't know one strong person that had an easy life. I just don't. Somebody who was just gifted and given everything. I just don't know. Also, our self-esteem, I found, personally, I can't speak for others, comes from doing difficult things. Because as we get a sense of more pride, not in a bad way, but you did difficult things and then you stuck with it and you kept your word as much as possible. And that drives me. Going from all great stories. I had the opportunity to meet Georgia Lucas Last night, Star Wars was a big influence on me and the Hero's Journey, and then Melissa is based on the hero, and J. O. S. Of Campbell's work, The Hero's Journey. The thing that lights me up is seeing people overcome limitation, and that's all great stories. You take any epic story, it's about going from limitation to liberation, and it's freeing.

But I feel like it's an inner game. I feel like entrepreneurs especially embrace it because they're out there creating jobs and creating values and solving people's problems and owning it. So it's just, yeah, owning it is a big deal to me because I feel like it's easy to complain and whatever. And it's not positive. It's the truth. We can't be upset by the results we didn't get from the work we didn't do. Knowledge by itself is not power. It has that best as potential power. Even listening to this right now and not doing anything, your life is no better than somebody who didn't listen to this. You're going out and spending a few hours reading a book and not implementing one thing, your life is no different than somebody who's illiterate who couldn't read the book in the first place. So what I would say is to do the hard thing. The hard thing in life is practicing what you post. People could talk about it, but it's better well done than well said. I would say, don't say it, show it. Don't post it, prove it. The life you live are the lessons you teach, and you'll inspire other people to do the same.

So good, Jim. Thank you so much for all your wisdom today. I I feel like we just scratch the surface in terms of learning. I feel like next episode we have together, we just can go through all different types of learning scenarios and meta learning and all that stuff. Thank you so much for your time today. You did such a great job. I just appreciate you Thank you.

Can I challenge everyone to do one thing?

Of course.

Can we take a screenshot of this wherever you're consuming it, tag us both on whatever platform they do it, and follow us both. And then what I would say is if you do happen to share it, tag us so I could see it, and I'll repost it, and I'll give it out a couple of signed copies, randomly, of Limitless. But share one thing you're going to do because you learn to earn to return. That's the sequence there. I would say by you sharing it with your fans, your followers, your friends, your family will see it. We never know the ripple effect of that thing.

I know you always have so many things going on. Where do you want to send people to?

Quickbrain. Everything is at kwikbrain. Com. I would say that. Limitless, if you support that, we donate all the proceeds to charity. We donated all the proceeds to charity, and we built schools in Ghana, Guatemala, Kenya. Alzheimer's research that we funded for women. Women are twice as high as experienced Alzheimer's than men. In memory of my grandmother. I would say any of those places, you two, we have a couple of million people subscribing there. We're not hard to find.

Yeah, you're not hard to find. We'll stick all those links in the show notes, too, to make it just super easy for everyone. I just wanted to know if there was something specific you wanted to share. But, Jim, thank you so much for your time today.

Thank you for the great work that you do, and really enjoy the show.

Well, there you have it, Yap Bam. Another epic episode in the books. Jim Kwik always brings the heat, and today's conversation was a true masterclass on what it takes to keep your mind sharp, adaptable, and resilient in an AI-driven world. He reminded us that while technology is accelerating at lightning speed, a real competitive edge comes from upgrading our own mental performance, our human intelligence. One of my biggest takeaways from Jim is the importance of cognitive flexibility. He explained that in a world of constant change, rigid thinking is a liability. When we expose ourselves to new ideas, step outside our echo chambers, and challenge long-held beliefs, we strengthen the mental adaptability entrepreneurial customers need. Jim made it clear that it's not enough to bounce back from challenges. We actually need to bounce forward. Jim also gave us a powerful reality on focus. Multitasking is nothing more than a rapid task switching that drains energy and destroys your product productivity. Instead, Jim encourages monotasking, deep work blocks, and designing environments that reduce your digital noise. Whether it's a screen-free morning, hiding your phone, or using the Pomodoro timers, protecting your attention is one of the most effective ways to amplify your output.

Of course, Jim's Meds, Meditation, Exercise, Diet, and Sleep framework, is a lifelong toolkit for peak brain performance. Meditation strengthens your ability to redirect your attention. Exercise boosts BDNF and primes your brain for learning. Diet fuels your cognitive energy. Sleep consolidates memory, sharpens decision making, and directly impacts your long term brain health. These aren't just trends. They're fundamentals that keep your mind operating at its highest potential. Jim tied all this together with his reminder that human intelligence is still your ultimate advantage. Creativity, intuition, cross domain thinking, these are all things AI cannot replicate. When we know our dominant brain type and lean into our natural strengths, we work smarter, learn faster, and collaborate more effectively. All right, gang, thank you so much for tuning into this episode of Young and Profiting podcast. If you listened, learned, and profited from this conversation with Jim quick, then please spread the word and help others listen, learn, and profit as well. If you want to thank us, the number one way to do that is drop us a five-star written review on Apple, Spotify, Castbox, wherever you listen to your podcast. If you guys prefer to watch your podcast, you can find us on YouTube or Spotify video by searching up Young and Profiting.

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