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The prosecutors revealed new evidence in their election interference case against former President Donald Trump.

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But the Supreme Court gave broad immunity to presidents, so what, if anything, could come of this?

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I'm Steve Inskeep with A. Martínez, and this is up first from NPR News. Israeli airstrikes have destroyed parts of Lebanon's Southern suburbs and now Hezbollah. The target is giving media tours of the damage. Npr spoke with in Beirut with no plans to leave. Well, I have electricity, water, internet, and food.

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I'm good. Also, a jury begins deliberations today in the case of three ex-police officers charged in the beating death of Thierry Nichols. The former Memphis cops pleaded not guilty. They're facing the possibility of life in prison. Stay with us. We've got all the news you need to start your day.

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Former President Trump will stand for election this November before standing trial for his effort to overturn the last election.

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But the public does now have evidence that Trump's actions to undo his 2020 defeat amount to a crime. A judge has released the prosecutor's newest version of their case. It's their argument that they have the goods to convict Trump even after a Supreme Court ruling put some of his actions off limits.

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Npr Justice Correspondent, Kerry Johnson, is here to share more about them. So, Kerry, you mentioned that the January sixth case against Donald Trump is not even going to trial this year. So why this new evidence now?

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This is all an effort by the Justice Department to keep alive this election interference case against Donald Trump. Remember, the Supreme Court this past summer gave Trump and future presidents some substantial immunity from prosecution for their official acts in the White House. In these new court papers, special counsel Jack Smith is taking pains to show Trump was acting as a political candidate, not a president, almost four years ago when he allegedly tried to overturn the results of that election. And prosecutors have laid out some facts now about Trump's role in a scheme to replace the real electors with slates of phony officials in key swing states, and about what Trump did and didn't do in late 2020 and early 2021.

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So Well, didn't the House Committee, though, those public hearings carried, didn't they lay all this out already? I mean, what's new about this filing?

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Well, the House investigators dug up a lot of information, but the Justice Department actually had subpoena power, and they had access to some of Trump's campaign aids and a former vice President, Mike Pence. The new filing mentions pages of notes Pence took about his meetings with Trump and outside advisors, where they said this whole thing is up to Pence. Prosecutors say Trump himself was tweeting an attack on Pence from White House on January sixth as the rioters ransacked the Capitol building. And then after an aid rushed in to describe the chaos and danger there, Trump allegedly said, So what? The former President also allegedly made fun of one of his private lawyer, Sydney Powell, for making what he called crazy claims about election fraud.

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How's Trump responding to these new revelations?

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A spokesman for Trump's campaign said this court filing is an attempt to interfere in the current election and help Kamala Harris. Trump's spokesman added that prosecutors are engaging in a partisan witch hunt. It's worth noting that the trial judge in this case, Tanya Chutkin, has said there's no support for the idea DOJ was motivated by partisan bias. She's rejected Trump's claim this was a vindictive or selective prosecution. Trump will have a chance to respond in writing in the coming weeks. If he disagrees with this judge's ruling, he's likely to appeal all the way back to the Supreme Court. A key fight to watch now is how much evidence prosecutors will be allowed to use about Mike Pence. Trump says all of that should be out of bounds, but prosecutors say they're relying on Pence not as the former vice president, but because he had a narrow role in charge of the certification of the electoral count in early 2021.

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Okay, but what if Trump wins in November? So what happens to all the work the DOJ has put in?

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The former president is likely to direct new officials at the Justice Department to get rid of his federal case in DC, and to drop an appeal of the Florida Classified Documents case against him, too. But if Trump loses at the ballot box, it's still possible he could face trial in DC, probably not before 2026. That's because the Supreme Court is going to hear this case again before it ever gets to a jury.

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That's NPR's Kerry Johnson. Kerry, thank you.

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My pleasure.

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Israel is reporting its first military casualties from its ground invasion into Southern Lebanon.

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The ground operations are one part of a campaign against Hezbollah, the political and militant group that dominates parts of that country. The Israeli Air Campaign includes a strike last night that hit a building in central Beirut. Health authorities there now say that nearly 1,400 people have been killed in recent weeks.

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Npr's Eider Paralta is in Beirut. Eider, what do we know about what's happening in Southern Lebanon, where Israeli troops have crossed over?

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Look, we understand that the fighting along the border is fierce. Both the Israeli military and Hezbollah say that they are engaging each other at close range. Israel yesterday said that eight of its soldiers have been killed in the fighting. Israel has described this as a limited ground operation, but we don't actually know what that means. What we know is that Israel has ordered the evacuation of some 50 villages across a wide region, and that region almost reaches into the central part of the country. The fear here is that this will turn into a prolonged war that could engulf the whole of Lebanon.

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Peter, I mentioned that you are actually in the capital of Beirut. What are you seeing there?

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I mean, overnight, there was yet another Israeli missile strike, very close to where I am. State media says the offices of a local health authority were hit and that seven people were killed, including two volunteer medics. But most of the strikes are happening just south of here in a neighborhood called Dajie, and it's a Hezbollah stronghold. It's the same neighborhood where a huge blast killed Hezbollah's longtime leader, Hassan Nasrallah, last week. Yesterday, Hezbollah called reporters, and they gave us a tour of the damage down there. I want to play some of my reporting. As you get close to the side of a blast, you see all these fragments of life strewn in the middle of the streets. Handwritten notes, a colorful plastic plate, a laundry basket, the cushion of a sofa. It feels like almost everyone in this neighborhood has left. Stores are closed, apartments are empty. But we find a in his mid-30s smoking a cigarette near a crumbled building. He doesn't give us his name for security reasons. There's no one left.

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Everyone left.

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It's only me. He's a gamer, plays a Commando simulation game, and he jokes that these days, the booms of the airstrikes around him give his games a more realistic feel. I live in a building like this one in the middle of nowhere.

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They will hit that.

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Why not? Why are you staying? I ask him. Well, I have electricity tea, water, internet, and food. I'm good. But that's not entirely true. He actually has two cats but has nowhere to leave them, so he won't leave his apartment without them. Hezbollah guide us through the neighborhood. At every bomb blast, they put up a picture of their slain leader, Hassan Nasrallah. They stop at what they tell us was an apartment building. All we see is rubble, concrete, mangled metal, a fire still smoldering in the middle. A young guy climbs through the rubble. He wades through the smoke and pumps his hands in the air. We will always choose death over humiliation, they chant.

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Wow. So defiance despite the damage. Any sense, though, of where all this is going, Eider?

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I mean, people here on the ground are simply worried about survival, but the world is watching Israel and Iran. It was just a day ago that Iran launched nearly 200 missiles to Israel. And so the big question is, how will Israel respond? The US has said They don't support an Israeli strike on Iran's nuclear facilities, but the size and scope of that Israeli retaliation could mean a de-escalation or the beginning of a much broader, much bloodier conflict.

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That's NPR's Eider Peralta reporting from Beirut. Thank you.

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Thank you, E.

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A jury in Memphis is expected to begin deliberations today in a high-profile police brutality case.

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Police videos A video shows a group of officers beating Tyree Nichols, a Black man they pulled over during a traffic stop last year. The jury repeatedly saw footage showing the officers, who were also Black, brutalizing Nichols. He died three days later. That video is evidence in a federal civil rights trial.

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Npr's Debbie Elliott has been covering the trial, joins us now from Memphis. Debbie, let's just start off with the charges that these officers are facing.

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Okay, three fired detectives, Justin Smith, Tadarius Bean, and Demetrius are accused of several felonies here, depriving Tyree Nichols of his civil rights by excessive use of force, willful failure to intervene, deliberate indifference to his serious medical need, and finally, conspiring to cover up the attack and obstruct justice. You'll remember the beating happened after a traffic stop in January of last year. Now, these officers were part of the so-called Scorpion Task Force. It was created to root out street crime in Memphis, and It was known for aggressive policing tactics. The five officers involved here were immediately fired. That task force has since been disbanded. Two of those former officers pleaded guilty and testified against the others during this trial.

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How are federal prosecutors laying out their case.

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You know that this was just a beat down, that these ex-cops used unreasonable force. It was five of them against one 175-pound man. During closing arguments, federal prosecutor Katherine Gilbert, said, These officers didn't count on surveillance video catching what happened when they thought no one was watching. She urged the jurors to trust their eyes. You saw the punches, you saw the kicks, you saw the baton strikes. The video also shows officers seemingly bragging about the beating as Nichols gasped for his life on the pavement. Gilbert pointed out that some of the language that they used afterward. They said, Hit him, beat that man, and we about to kill that man. She also emphasized how Nichols had his hands in front of his face to protect himself as he was calling out for his mother, who lived just a block away. Nichols, who was 29, died, as you said, three days after the beating. The coroner testified it was homicide from blunt force trauma.

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The defense. How are these former officers trying to explain what happened?

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Each defense lawyer tried to clear their individual clients in different kinds of ways. But the general theme from all three of them is that this was a high-risk traffic stop and that the officers acted reasonably after Nichols ran a red light and then failed to stop when pursued by a police vehicle with blue lights on. John Keith Perry, who represents Tudarius, being denied that officers were bragging about the beating. He said instead that the jury should interpret that as they were commenting that, This man was taking all that had. Then Martin Zumack, who is Justin Smith's lawyer, he focused on Tyree Nichols' behavior. He said Nichols made choices of how to respond that night, asking, Is there a constitutional right to run from police? Now it's up to the jury to weigh all these arguments and the evidence they heard, and we'll hear what they decide.

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Npr's Debbie Elliott in Memphis. Debbie, thank you very much. You're welcome. That's a first for Thursday, October third on the Martinez.

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Prosecutors reveal new details about their election interference case against former President Donald Trump. A defiant Hezbollah offers journalists tours of its bombed-out Beirut stronghold. A federal jury deliberates in the police brutality case against officers accused of killing Tyre Nichols.Want more comprehensive analysis of the most important news of the day, plus a little fun? Subscribe to the Up First newsletter.Today's episode of Up First was edited by Jason Breslow, James Hider, Russell Lewis, Vincent Ni, Ally Schweitzer and Alice Woelfe. It was produced by Iman Maani, Paige Waterhouse, Nia Dumas and Ana Perez. We get engineering support from Neisha Heinis and our technical director is Carleigh Strange.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy