Transcript of Canada Tariffs, Education Department Targeted, DOGE

A liquor store worker in Canada was just about to yank American bourbon off the shelf.

We felt betrayed. At the last moment, the US paused its trade war. How's all this look from the US ally to the north?

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New US tariffs on Chinese goods went into effect today, and China has already retaliated.

The Trump administration imposed 10% taxes on US imports from China. China responded with 15% taxes on US goods. China also put export controls on vital metals like tungsten.

Now, the trade war with Mexico and Canada is paused for now after the President made threats that jolted relations with a close US ally. How does all this look from Canada? Npr International Affairs Correspondent, Jackie Northam, is in Ottawa. Jackie, good morning.

Good morning, Steve.

How did the United States and Canada at least put off a confrontation?

Well, it did come right down to the wire The Trump's tariffs against Canada were set to go into effect one minute after midnight, and that's the same for Mexico. Canada was bracing for it. It had already announced it would retaliate by imposing 25 % tariffs on $100 billion of US goods. But Earlier on Monday, Trump struck a deal with Mexico and then with Canada, and both sides said they would send thousands of troops to their borders to curb the illegal flow of migrants and fentanyl, which is what Trump had asked for. But Ottawa says the amount of fentanyl coming across from Canada is a fraction of that coming from Mexico, which has led to a lot of questions here in Canada of what this was really about. Why impose high tariffs on the country, which is one of the closest allies of the Yeah, I am thinking the Canadians made new measures at their border before the threat of tariffs.

Now, they've made even more, apparently or promised something, and still the threat of tariffs hangs over them for 30 days. How are people responding?

I've been talking with Canadians for the past couple of weeks since Trump first announced he was going to do this. The responses have been anger and disbelief and really wanting to hit back. There's a campaign that got underway to avoid buying any American products here. Canadians were booing during the singing of the Star-Spangled at major sporting events. And liquor stores in some provinces were going to pull American bourbon and wine from their shelves. And I dropped in at a liquor store here in Ottawa last night, and one of the workers, Ryan Robinson, said they were all ready to remove American bourbon off the shelves. Here he is. We felt betrayed. I think we thought our closest ally in the world was stabbing us in the back a little bit, right? I think Trump was blowing things out of proportion a little bit.

So I don't really understand his reasoning to start such a trade war.

And you know, Steve, Canada is one of the US largest trading partners. But it's more than that. This feels personal up here, especially when Trump keeps saying he wants to turn Canada into the 51st state.

Yeah, which I think people took as a joke when Trump first said that, but he keeps saying it again and again and again. So how do the two countries move forward?

Well, this is only a month long reprieve, and I think it's fair to say that there is a trust deficit between Canada and the US, and the US and Mexico, for that matter. Canada faced a serious threat of recession if Trump's tariffs went ahead. There's a fear that it's not over, at least for now. And as you mentioned, Steve, the threat of a trade war goes beyond North America as the US and China launched It's these tit for tat tariffs on each other. The White House says Trump is due to talk to Chinese leader Xi Jinping today, but negotiations between the rivals could be a draw no process.

Npr's Jackie Northam. Thanks so much for your work.

Thanks, Steve. Okay, some changes are underway at the US Department of Education with bigger potential moves on the horizon.

Sources tell NPR that President Trump is getting ready to issue an executive action that would do two things: move quickly to make relatively small staff and program cuts, and call on Congress to close the Department entirely. This comes as several dozen of the Department's 4,400 workers have already been placed on paid leave.

Npr's Cory Turner joins us now. Tori, good morning. Cori, good morning. Good morning, Steve.

Tori Kerner.

Anyway, Cori, good morning. By your proper name, what do you know about this executive action?

Well, and not a lot, at least not through official channels. The White House did not respond to a request for comment, but multiple sources have told me, folks who are not allowed to speak publicly, the Trump administration is eager to close the department. In the near term, it plans to use this executive action to try We're going to move quickly to cut programs and staff that were not created by Congress, so they're not protected by law. The idea being these will be the programs that are the easiest to cut, essentially the low-hanging fruit. The problem here, Steve, is the department itself and its signature responsibilities were all created by Congress, and so they're much harder to cut.

Unless, of course, you operate within the rule of law and go to Congress and ask them to reconsider that. What are the responsibilities that could be targeted by executive action?

The department has a budget of around $79 billion. On the K-12 side, it administers Title I, which sends extra funding to schools in lower-income communities, both urban and rural. It administers IDEA, that's the rights law that guarantees special education. Obviously, on the higher ed side, it manages the $1. 6 trillion student loan portfolio. Now, I have spoken with a bunch of experts over the past year who all say they really don't see how a president can make meaningful legal changes to these programs without Congress. That's why, Steve, I'm hearing from my sources that this executive action would essentially acknowledge that by calling on Congress to either cut or move some or all of these programs to other agencies. The challenge for the administration is there have been plenty of past efforts to close the department and rewrite the rules of big programs like Title I. But lawmakers, including many Republicans, Americans have always opposed them.

Although that's the system. That's checks and balances. That's the Constitution. What you're saying is we expect an executive order that really is just a statement asking Congress to do what the President asks, which is the way the Constitution works. At the same time, you're reporting that some education department staff are being placed on leave. What's going on?

Yeah, that's right. At least 74 non-management Department of Education staff have been placed on paid administrative leave. They all got this email in the last few days saying they're being placed on leave because of President Trump's executive action targeting diversity, equity, and inclusion programs. In a statement, I got a department spokesperson said, We are evaluating staffing in line with the commitment to prioritizing meaningful learning ahead of divisive ideology in schools and putting student outcomes above special interests. But I spoke yesterday and last night with a bunch of these employees, and they all told me they don't work in DEI. Their career staff, they work in multiple departments. The only thing they had in common was that they had all attended at some point a DEI workshop the department has been offering for years, including, by the way, going back to the first Trump administration.

Okay. Npr's Cory Turner will continue listening for your reporting on that. Thanks very much.

You're welcome.

We have an update on the actions of the Department of Government Efficiency.

Which is not actually a department. It's more like an ad hoc group. But whatever you call it, it's been an agent of chaos and confusion led by the unelected advisor to the President, Elon Musk.

Npr Boris, Bobby Allen has covered Musk for years. Bobby, good morning. Good morning. Well, just remember, Department of Government Efficiency, DOGE, what have they done so far?

Quite a bit. Musk's deputies are moving very fast. In just the first two weeks of the Trump administration, they have intervened at the Treasury Department Department, which processes trillions of dollars of payments every year. It's not just treasury. Doge is involved in the Office of Personnel Management, looking for ways to slash the federal payroll. They're analyzing the government's real estate holdings. In some, DOGE at the direction of Musk, is barreling into vast swaths of the federal government and promising to divide and conquer what he sees as the deep state. Not that unlike the way Musk bulldozed Twitter. Then when he purchased it, of course, he renamed it X.

I would not say that this has been the most transparent apparent effort. We hear about things happening and we're not exactly sure what the purpose is from the outside. How are people responding to this?

Yeah, well, in Congress, Republicans have been mostly quiet, but Democrats are sounding the alarm. Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer called Doge, A shadow government conducting a hostile takeover. Sharp words. That gets at one of the questions Doge is facing. Can Musk legally have this much access and control over the federal government? Then there are other questions, Steve, about whether Doge creates conflicts of interest, because as we know, Musk runs six companies, including Rocket Company, SpaceX, electric vehicle company, Tesla, while Musk is also a senior advisor to President Trump. We learned just yesterday that the White House has made Musk a special government employee.

Which means that he does have some formal government role, I guess. What is a special government employee?

It's essentially a temporary government job. It can't run longer than a hundred and thirty days. And DOGE itself was stood up as a temporary organization to radically cut costs in government. But Musk's exact remit is unknown. It's a little murky. Government watchdogs, though, are worried he is going to operate with no guardrails. Now, President Trump said Musk is acting only with the explicit approval of the White House, and that, Where we think there's a conflict or a problem, we won't let him go near it. That's what Trump said recently. But experts I spoke to aren't so sure. Richard Painter was the White House's top ethics lawyer in the George W Bush administration. And Painter says the level of access Musk seems to have sure does look like there are very few checks on him.

I've never seen something like this happen before. I've never seen the White House send their people into the agents this way in such an intrusive manner in either a Democratic administration or a Republican administration, including the first Trump administration.

Unprecedent is a word very much overused in this political moment, but Painter says Doge is indeed charting new territory.

Well, this raises a question. If Congress is not going to jump up immediately, and if the White House says it's on board, are people who object in some way likely to take this to court?

Yes. Doge has been hit with multiple lawsuits over its legality. The most recent one came yesterday. Unions representing federal employees sued to block DOGE's access to the Treasury Department's payment system. They are concerned about Musk and his deputies having direct access to millions of people's tax refunds, veterans benefits, disability checks, and the private information of federal employees. We will see, Steve, what happens in court. But experts tell me that unless a judge steps in, DOGE is expected to only grow its presence inside of the federal government.

I'm thinking about some of the things DOGE has done. There were actions over the weekend against the US Agency for International Development. Musk acted as if he was shutting down the agency, which is arguably illegal, but it seems instead just to have been folded under Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, who talks of continuing some foreign aid and just reforming the agency, which a lot of people would like. Is it possible this agency is less radical than it seems?

For some of the agencies in Doge's crosshairs, their opening bid is to completely dismantle the agencies. But what may end up happening in the end is just a smaller version of the agencies that Doge is going after. So fewer employees and fewer resources, but still existing in some form. We'll just have to see.

In regards to Bobby Allen, thanks so much.

Thanks, Steve.

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