Transcript of CIA Targeter Exposes New Evidence About Microwave Weapons

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Welcome to the Watch floor. I'm Sara Adams. Let's quickly get something out of the way today. This episode is about Havana syndrome. It's not about stress or mass hysteria or people imagining symptoms because their jobs are too hard. Those are all narratives that have been created, so no one has to be accountable for a solution. Obviously, I come from the CIA. I know a number of people with Havana syndrome. It just felt like I was in a pressure cooker, and the pressure is just slowly crushing your head. No one knew what it was, what to do, how to protect against it. I had a friend just hit this last year by a Havana syndrome. I know a CIA case officer who died in the last year of Havana syndrome, and she was literally my age. The number of cases is escalating with now more than 200 reported cases around the world. When we talk about these people who are affected by this, these aren't fragile people. They're not anxious interns. These are well-trained and qualified intelligence professionals professionals who deploy to some of the most hostile environments in the world. They go up against our biggest enemies.

They are not people who confuse stress with injury. We're not playing that game today. What we're going to focus on is facts, history, patterns. We're going to talk about some of the stuff that hasn't been explained or maybe that has been covered up or that has been put into classified channels so no one talks about it. Havana syndrome, which is now dubbed Anomalous Health Incidence, started long before Havana in 2016. It was in Havana that it just became too big to hide. So many people ended up reporting it. They had to say something was happening. So before Havana, before Vienna, we actually go all the way back to Moscow. So this is well before we heard the term Havana syndrome. This was in the time period from 1953 to 1976. It's when our government realized that you can use invisible energy weapons and deliberately target them at people. If you didn't hear about this at the time, it was called Moscow Signal. In 1953, the Russians began to bombard the US Embassy in Moscow with electromagnetic radiation in the microwave spectrum.

But the fact was kept secret from the embassy employees. Us ambassador Stossel contracted a blood disease, bleeding eyes, nausea, and eventually lymphoma. He and other employees eventually died as a result of the microwave attacks.

So this wasn't some accidental interference. It wasn't like random background radiation you became exposed to. It was focused focused microwave beams targeted directly at the US Embassy Building, a place where not only people worked, but they lived. So at the time, US intelligence decided to detect it, to measure its strength, and then to track the directions it came from. Senior officers at the time working at the embassy were so concerned. They filed official protests about this weapon. Presidents and secretaries of state were briefed on it, and then classified research programs were put in place to study it. So this matters, right? Because the US acknowledged, at least internally, that a foreign adversary was directing electromagnetic energy at US personnel. So this isn't speculation. This is facts from history. Now, the embassy officials at the time reported the same things we're hearing today: headaches, fatigue, difficulty concentrating, and then different neurological symptoms going on. At the time, the government minimized these health effects, but privately, they did something very telling, and we already alluded to this. They launched classified research programs to study the biological effects on the body of when there is micro wave radiation in humans.

So they did this study because obviously they believed harm was being caused. So the technology, the concern, and even the adversary predate when we started hearing of Havana syndrome. Now, let's fast forward to the mid-1990s. Michael Beck a NSA counterintelligence officer. So he's not a diplomat, he's not a tourist, and he's definitely not a junior intelligence officer. He deploys overseas in a sensitive environment, and In 1996, while staying in his hotel, he suddenly gets hit by what we now call Havana syndrome. In his own words, he said, I was a bowl of jelly. I couldn't get moving. So there was no trauma, no illness, no immediate explanation for what happened to him. And the symptoms fated immediately, obviously, when he left that area, but the damage did not. So later, Beck was diagnosed with early onset Parkinson's disease, a rare diagnosis for someone his age. Now, if it had just been him, we might end this story there. But the crazy thing is, he had a coworker. His name was Chuck Guberte, and Chuck was also an NSA officer, staying in the same hotel Deployed to the same location, and he also got hit by this weapon.

Chuck also got the early onset Parkinson's disease and died. Two intelligence officers, same trip, same hostile environment, same outcome. Now, the crazy part is Beck then files a worker's compensation claim because it's affecting his ability to do his daily job. Well, in 2014, yes, many years later, NSA actually sent an interesting response to him. I actually want to walk through some of the key points they mentioned. First off, they acknowledged that they had intelligence indicating the country that Beck had visited possessed a high-powered microwave weapon capable of, and then they list four things: targeting living quarters, check, he was in this hotel, damaging the nervous system, weakening or killing over time, and leaving little to no evidence. This is incredibly concerning, right? This dismantles the idea that this is new or imaginary or some implausible thing. And yet, as you can imagine, Beck's claim was literally denied. He went on advocating for years. He was really getting the warning out to others. And then he was, of course, pushing for solutions so other people didn't have to experience what he did. Unfortunately, we lost this fighter, Beck. Just last month, he died at the age of 65.

Now, this isn't some footnote. His case is really the earliest documented case of Havana syndrome in our generation. And it really shows a case with a neurological injury tied to a foreign-directed energy capability, and it was acknowledged by a US intelligence agency, right? And I said, wrote back and said, Yeah, we do have information that this is real. So when we talk about Beck and then going forward, there is time in the middle, right? So he's late '90s, and then we start really hearing about Havana syndrome almost 20 years later. But actually, cases were happening in the middle. Just there was a lot of issues. First off is the cases were isolated. So it wasn't like a bunch of people hitting being hit in the same location repeatedly. Also, there was poor documentation, and really none of this was even shared publicly. There was a lot of situations where it was handled internally in one agency and not shared across agencies, even if they all had officers serving in the same location. And then they never linked all the cases together. So in those cases, we had intelligence officers and diplomats that reported sudden head pressure, disorientation, cognitive changes, and balance issues.

They weren't in some explosion. They didn't really have visible injuries. And of course, there was no easy attribution to what they were experiencing. So there was no name at the time for what they were going through. Nobody clustered all these cases together. And then because there was no adversary anybody was thinking about, the cases just went into a medical file or even maybe went into a classified drawer, and we really didn't hear anything about them. And this is how you get these early warning signs and you miss them, right? I mean, that's a failure, and we should be looking at how we mess it up then. So then we move to what everybody now knows. So this was in 2016, and everything changed. So this, of course, was happening in Havana. And this is the time now, multiple people being intelligence officers and diplomats were being hit by what seemed like some energy weapon. They began reporting repeatable incidents. They weren't vague symptoms. They were similar in description to each other. They weren't stressed less induced. And this is the time when people said, I was perfectly fine. And then a second later, I felt something and I no longer was better.

Now, when we talk about what happened in Havana, I just want to walk through at least how a situation would occur so you understand it. So I'm an intelligence officer, and I'm sitting in the home that's rented for me while I'm serving in Havana. I hear a strange noise. It's a little metallic, and it's directional towards me. And then I feel intense pressure in my head. And then I'm hit almost immediately with the feeling of vertigo. Now, then I'm like, Okay, I got to get out of this room. So I leave the room, it stops. But then I go back into the room and it happens another time, or my colleague who lives down the street, the same thing happened to them. And this just keeps occurring over and over to officers serving there. After this pattern recognition was shared and understood as it was occurring in Havana, as you can imagine, other people started waking up and being like, Wait, wait, wait. I'm experiencing those same side effects or symptoms, or I had this onset of this pressure where my residence was. And that's when everything flooded in. And that's when we got all the cases and realized, even though we're calling this Havana syndrome, it's occurring in a number of locations.

So another location occurred in was China, and their diplomats reported dizziness, headache, cognitive issues. And in that case, some of their families were even affected. Then we had Vienna. Dozens of reports came out of Vienna. A lot of them focused on intelligence officers. They had severe neurological symptoms. And then, of course, career ending. I mean, there were times CIA couldn't even fill important roles in Vienna because people didn't want to take the risk of going there. Now, then we had it happen here on US soil in Washington, DC. And that's why this is so important to explain to people. This doesn't just occur over oceans. This has happened Here in DC, it was reported at multiple people's residences. They had the same symptoms, this sudden onset of this pressure. And now, remember, we're in different countries. These people are working different missions, but they're having the same neurological symptoms. So that's not how stress behaves, but it is how a weapon does. So let's talk through some of these patterns. I want to be clear about what's repeatable across a lot of these cases because there's dozens of these cases. So here's what we're seeing.

A lot of the victims are American, but there's some from Allied powers, but Everybody's usually in a senior role or an intelligence capability, or they're working as some security official. A lot of these people have access to the most sensitive information, and a number of them, of course, have security clearances. Then we have the fact that these symptoms happened suddenly. There wasn't other medical issues going on, and it compounded. It was just I was feeling perfect, and then I wasn't. Then as we clustered some of these locations for you, the same symptoms were occurring in the same locations, repeatable pattern. The symptoms then stopped or lessened when that exact moment wasn't happening. But in most, if not all of the cases, the injuries persisted long after they left these locations they were serving. Living in. Let's go back to DC for a second. I told you these incidents happened at the residences. So they weren't happening at embassies or the CIA building. This was happening in people's homes. I mean, this is a very scary thing when you think about it, but also when you're home, you're not at the same level of stress when you're working.

So even some of that argument around, Oh, these people just can't manage their stress, is foolish. And we have to explain how this weapon works so you really understand it. So I'm going to take a moment and just walk through it as simply as possible. When people hear directed energy, they think of lasers and science fiction, but that's not what we're talking about here. So how the symptoms are playing out with Havana syndrome, it's believed to be a radio frequency or a microwave-based weapon. But what it's doing is it's pulsing. Now, it's not continuous, it's not random, it's this pulse that's really Really important to explain and understand. How our brain operates, it's using electrical impulses. Then every thought, every moment, Every memory relies on these pulses traveling between our neurons.

I think the easiest way for a layperson to understand what particularly rapidly pulsed microwaves could do is to You think about something like WiFi connections in a cellular phone. If you were to take your phone and put it in the microwave oven for a second or two seconds, you would take the phone out, and structurally, it would look fine. It would seem that it would be working just fine for you on some levels. But the actual sophistication of that phone would have been changed as a consequence of the microwave damage. And not only will it change then, but that change is durable and characteristically progressive.

That's what a directed energy wrap and attack does.

Yes, ma'am.

It fundamentally disrupts the brain network. Yes, ma'am. Now, imagine this for a second. You're sitting on your couch and you're thinking, you're trying to concentrate, and there's this tap on the wall. It's not a continuous tap, but there's a tap and then another tap, and then maybe five seconds later, another tap. And each tap, when it happens, throws your concentration completely off. Well, now imagine if the same thing is happening, but it's happening in your nervous system. That's what we're talking about. That's what Havana syndrome is. So this energy or this pulse isn't something that leaves burns on your skin. You don't get radiation poisoning. It doesn't even show up in an X ray. But what it does, it disrupts your neural signaling. It damages It causes the blood-brain barrier. It causes vestibular dysfunction, and it triggers long term neurodegeneration. So these are massive effects if you just think of that list of four things. Now, that's why, though, when we talk about those parts of the brain, you get victims saying, Oh, I had sudden head pressure. I felt vertigo. I I became very confused. I had memory loss. My balance was just out of control, right?

All of that makes sense for what's being hit. And if you look at an MRI, it looks completely normal. And I want people to understand that this is a functional injury. It's not like blunt trauma to a person. That's a very difficult thing for people to understand when we're talking about this type of injury because it's not easily understood. Now, here's a critical point. Russia has openly researched this technology since the Soviet era. Now, it wasn't secret. It wasn't some hypothetical thing. I'm talking about open-source Soviet and Russian papers and literature that they actually put out. Here's some of the things they put out information on. Psychological effects of RF energy. Remember, these are unclassified. Behavioral disruption, non-lethal incapacitation. They're literally telling you this is what they've been working on for years. Then when we go back to Michael Beck's NSA letter, it really confirms that the US was well aware of this occurring and being available since the '90s. So that's not theory. That's an acknowledgement they gave to him. So this is, of course, then when we talk about failure. Failure is, of course, going to enter the story Because if our intelligence community was aware of this since the 1990s, and we still have people being impacted by this in 2025, this is a huge problem.

It's been deeply concerning throughout this period, from the first time this was discovered so long ago to where we are today, that the intelligence community still has failed to identify the source and the cause for Havana syndrome, as it's commonly known, even as many people who are in service are suffering the consequences of it. I look forward, if confirmed, as Director of National Intelligence to addressing this, of course, making sure that those who have been impacted are getting the care that they need and deserve, but getting the truth behind how and why this has occurred.

Are you saying that we're not any closer to understanding where these came from?

Based on my understanding, there has not been any definitive reporting from the intelligence community on the source and the cause for these anomalous health incidents.

I want to walk through how this problem has unfolded. First off, our government didn't do some unified strategy against this problem, which already starts off bad. So investigations were fragmented. Some organizations did them, some didn't, some had funding, some didn't, some got funding pulled. There's no constant funding to deal with this. The other thing is agencies worked in silos. They weren't sharing the findings or even the cases that were happening. Can you imagine that you work in an embassy and there's people from two different organizations and they're feeling the exact same effects, and those two organizations aren't even sharing the information with each other. How are you going to solve this? Another thing is a lot of public statements came out from the government that really, really downplayed this. In a horrible way. In a lot of cases, it really came out like, oh, people are imagining these side effects and these symptoms, which is foolish when we're saying that this goes back to the 1950s. There's real cases that we're aware of that caused harm since the 1990s. Now, why would the government not share the truth? I honestly almost laugh when I say that because we all know the government doesn't share the truth.

One of the Another thing is, if it does, it actually has to really acknowledge that US personnel were targeted and then that they did nothing to protect them. I mean, think about that for a minute. They sent you to a location knowing this weapon has been directed at other people, and they did nothing or put no safeguards in place to protect you. I mean, this is a huge liability. Another thing is, if they may a real determination of who's causing this, it forces a de-escalation. It becomes a problem between two nations. Another thing is it emits a massive security failure. We can't stop this. We don't know where it's coming from. We haven't given you some tool to measure it yourself or protect yourself from it. And then, of course, the last piece that our government is horrible at is it really requires accountability. It requires people saying, Yeah, this is really, really bad. We have to decide what is causing this, who is responsible, and we have to prevent it from happening. And then we have to protect all of our people who have already been harmed by this, many of them now on disability, and will never work again.

So there's so many avenues to this problem because the government really hasn't dealt with it. Now, what happens is when you ask the government about Havana syndrome or AHI, as they like to call it, they just go, We don't know. We don't know what it is. We don't know who's causing it, et cetera. And that's just a very, very frustrating thing if you think about it. And that isn't denial. They're not saying it's not happening. They're just doing enough ambiguity so it leaves the issue hanging and there's no real action. Now, I want to walk through then when you're a victim, how does this end up looking? Well, you're first fighting for care because you have a government saying, Oh, this is in your head, and not even really being honest that this causes real neurological damage. You then have to fight for some recognition of your symptoms. So obviously, insurance or somebody will cover these effects that have occurred to you. And then in a lot of cases, you're fighting for disability support from an employer who isn't even being that that disability came from serving the government. So it's this constant fight for these victims while people are literally dying.

Miriam Webster defines gaslighting as psychological manipulation that causes the victim to question the validity of their own thoughts. Did the CIA gaslight you? It was designed to make us think ourselves are crazy and to question our own injuries. When you hear the term cover up in the government, a lot of people think like secret meetings in dark rooms. But this is actually what it looks like. This is basically something that's like bureaucratic diffusion of responsibility, right? This isn't my problem. We don't know what this is. We don't know who's responsible. Oh, this is medical. We can't touch people's medical records. It's very interesting. I want to walk through the pattern of how we've seen this play out. We'll get these medical teams that say, Well, I looked at these patients, and this isn't a classic injury. Then you'll get the intelligence agencies that focus instead on the culprit. They're like, Oh, we can't attribute accountability or we're not conclusive about who did this. And then you get leadership saying, Well, we're going to need more data to make any decisions or do anything. And then out to the public, they say, Well, there's no definitive cause.

So every one of those points is defensible But when you put them all together, it makes it almost impossible to move forward on this because nobody's taking in a stance and saying, Let's deal with this. Let's make it a whole of government problem problem to deal with. Now, there are things that have been done internally, though, and I think we need to be honest about that because these organizations don't always tell you what they're working on. So classified investigations were launched. There were panels to talk about, Is it plausible that directed energy causes these problems? There's been a number of times Russia has been named as the likely actor. And then victims literally were evacuated that were serving overseas to come to America to deal with the harm caused by these weapons. And then recently, we got new chatter, Oh, the government might have one of these weapons and be testing it or reverse engineering. It's like, What? So lots of things are happening behind the scenes. But for these victims, another The number of their careers ended, of course, because they couldn't work in their normal capacity. They lost their security clearances. I told you, just getting their medical benefits has become a constant fight.

And then just the families who are also impacted by this are left without answers. We had Michael Beck fighting until his death. Others haven't lived that long to even be a part of this fight. So this isn't history. I told I told you, I know people with this. I know people who've passed away from this. This is an ongoing problem that we have to be honest about and we have to address, especially since it's occurred on US soil. Yes, today they might be targeting intelligence officers. Tomorrow, they could be targeting an entire different industry because they're like, Hey, they're a benefit to the US government. They're advancing innovation. They're helping the US government build or defense systems. A lot of people could get impacted by this, even like academic research institutions. So Havana syndrome isn't some mystery illness. It starts from Cold War, Moscow. It goes into the '90s, and then it goes to Havana, and we still have cases occurring today. So obviously, I've already said the name, the same adversary gets thrown around. I know we've heard of their names, but it's Russia. There's a documented history of Russia doing research on how to use microwave against foreign personnel.

We have the Moscow signal of President that I started the show with. There's Soviet era research on how this impacts humans. There's modern Russia interest, of course, in non-kinetic warfare. And then there's a pattern of overlap. When we talk about these officers that were hit, obviously in the same locations are Russian intelligence officers. Even my friend that was hit last summer, I think it was impacting a person with him, and that person with him is, and his family has been, a longtime target of the Russians. So this isn't some speculation. We can really start taking these facts, pull them together and make some real assessments about this. Now, even in the intelligence community, even if quietly, they all point to Russia as well.

Are we being attacked?

My personal opinion, yes.

By whom? Russia. We have a number of people affected with Havana syndrome. We need to see accountability. Now, we have these fighters that have unfortunately died We're not here anymore. But we can ask the question that they have been asking and the government seems to refuse to answer, and it's this, did adversaries possess and use technology capable of silently damaging the human nervous system? The answer is yes. Yes, they did. And covering that up isn't going to make it go away. It's just going to allow them to continue to harm our people. Thanks for being here today. This has been the Watch floor.

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