Transcript of 137. Dr. Joel Gator Warsh: How Functional Medicine is Transforming Children's Health

We have to have an extremely high bar of evidence and proof to give a newborn baby something that they don't actively need when the risk is very, very low.

We know autism rates are skyrocketing. We have the highest rates of childhood cancer in recorded history. An educated parent is a great parent, and I think moms and dads are like, what does my pediatrician say? Because obviously, these entities must have my kid's best interests at heart.

It's almost like vaccines are a crazier topic to talk about now than almost any topic we We have to talk about this. Our kids deserve that. There's a lot of information that's just not true. They're either vaccinate at all costs or your children will die, or don't vaccinate at all costs or your children will die.

We need to look at the balance of the pros and the cons on everything, and that's how you make decisions, and it doesn't seem like we're doing that. What vaccines, in my opinion, need to meet is this quantifiable risk hurdle. The risk is not zero. They won't break your ankle if you're playing in the yard. There is no question that our children's health is a disaster.

It's infuriating as a pediatrician and a dad that we're not open to discussing everything and not coming in with our preconceived notions about things like vaccines, because at the end of the day, we all want the same thing. We want healthy kids.

Let's just talk about raising healthy children. What are some advice that you would give to parents to raise healthy children. The most important place to start is to Hey, guys. Welcome back to the Ultimate Human podcast. I'm your host, Gary Brakka, human biologist, where we go down the road of everything anti-aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. And today, I have a very, very special guest. So parents, listen up. He is a board-certified pediatrician. I love the fact that he has a functional medicine orientation. He's written books on parenting, books on vaccination, both of which are on the table right here. I would encourage you to get both of these books if you're a parent or if you're considering the vaccine controversy for your children. He is a board-certified pediatrician here in Los Angeles. I'm out in Los Angeles shooting some podcast. It's a blessing to have him on the podcast today. So welcome to the podcast, Dr. Joel Walsh.

Thank you for having me on. It's an honor.

Yeah. I mean, this has got to be the hottest topic right now. And I think what happened was the pandemic split the country in half. People People were either pro-vaccine or anti-vaccine. It had a lot to do with their political orientation. There were people that thought that if you didn't get vaccinated, you were basically fumigating the rest of the population. Then there were people that thought if you got vaccinated, you were part of this massive gene experiment that the government, the World Health Organization were doing. And somewhere in the middle lies the truth. That's the one thing that I deeply appreciated about the book that you wrote. I've also been deep down the rabbit hole on vaccines. I certainly don't purport to be an expert on vaccines by any means. I'm not even a physician or licensed to practice medicine. You are. I'd love for you to tell my audience a little bit about your journey as a board-certified pediatrician. What was your impetus for writing a book on parenting and writing a book on vaccination? What was the objective?

Going back, I did all the regular medical training, went to a great allopathic program, and I would consider myself fairly Western at that time. Integrated medicine wasn't really even a part of the things that I thought of. I would have to credit the beginning of that journey to my now wife, who I met during residency. She was very holistic-minded, and it started opening up my eyes.

She's also a physician?

She's not a physician. She's a lawyer, but she just grew up in a family that was more holistic-minded. Okay. So eating healthier food, being open to having discussions, I think that really just opened up my eyes to a world that I had never I've really thought of before, and then looking into functional medicine, going to some functional medicine courses and being like, Duh, why don't we think this way? Why don't we think about the root cause? Obviously, we should be. There's nothing controversial about that. I started practicing integrated medicine, started learning about it. I'm not against Western medicine at all. I just started to blend the best of both worlds together. Really seeing how interested people were in that, that just really led me down that path. But over time, I realized that the vast majority of people When I was going to my office had one major concern or question, and it was around vaccines and wanting to discuss vaccines. I've never been against vaccines. I've always been pro-choice and pro-informed consent. I don't force anybody to do anything. I never have. We have discussions in my office, and parents continually come in crying from other places that they were kicked out or that they couldn't even have discussions about vaccines.

Couldn't get the kids in the public school system. Right, exactly. Or ostracized.

I had to start learning more I started doing social media stuff as well, which, again, they don't teach you that stuff in medicine. That started doing really well also. But most of the questions I was getting was around vaccines. I wanted to talk about it, and I talk about it in my office, but I felt really hindered from talking about it because it's so controversial. It just got me more and more angry. But I went on all sorts of podcasts and shows, and I never talked about it. I said, I will not talk about vaccines. I just can't. It's going to get me in trouble. I It's best not to do it.

You really shot away from it in the beginning. I think it's politics, religion, and vaccines. Those are like the no-fly zones, right?

But it's almost like vaccines are a crazier topic to talk about now than most of the other things. It was censored heavier than almost any topic. I mean, you could say things that were true, and that's definitively proven now. Mark Zuckerberg said that. They were actively censoring true information because it would create hesitancy. I saw that, and I do think that over the last few years with the pandemic, people have started to realize that not everything we're told is completely true. They want more information. I do think we're at a place now where it's not just mainstream media. All of the other medias are bigger than mainstream media. If we're going to talk about vaccines or I'm going to talk about things, I don't need to go on mainstream media. That's fine.

I would suggest that you don't actually get it. I don't have a problem doing it.

I think we should. I think we should. That's why I wrote the book in the first place now, because I believe that we have to talk about this. We have to talk about vaccines. Our kids deserve that. There's a lot of information that's just not true that's passed out there. When you dive into the research, which I obviously know some stuff about vaccines, I'm a pediatrician, but you never learn about vaccine safety when you're going through med school. I looked into the research, and there's a study from residency directors, so the heads of the residency programs in pediatrics, 70% of residency programs don't have vaccine safety. I never learned it. We learn about vaccines, we learn about the diseases, but you're not taught this stuff.

You talk more about the schedule. This is given at this time, this is given at this time.

You just accept it. Sometimes people want to put a nefarious motive on… There's no nefarious motive. You just taught that's what you do, so that's what you do when you don't think about it. Until you go look at the research, you don't really know anything different. When you do, it blows your mind what is actually there. That is why I wanted to write the book, because I want to get out the information that I saw. When you read the books that exist, they're very one-sided.

I noticed that, too. They're either vaccinate at all costs or your children will die and they don't deserve to be in the public school system, or don't vaccinate at all costs or your children will die.

You feel like you're in a different worlds. If you read a book from somebody who is part of the CDC, then you have a very rose-colored view of vaccines. Everything's perfect. There are no bad studies. There are no problems with it. Then you read something on the other side and vaccines are the worst thing in the world, and you should never take one ever in your life. There's nothing in between, and there's nothing that has something that RFK says, right beside what Paul Offit says on the same topic. You need that to be able to make decisions, and we need to have debates and discussions about those topics, and they've never happened.

I really have identified with this Make America Healthy Again movement and what Bobby Kennedy is doing inside of the current administration. I hope he gets confirmed. I think that he will because I think that you've got to have someone that is on the one-yard line to get society from the end zone to the 50-yard line. It's not that we're going to move, the pendulum is going to swing all the way one way or the other. One of the things that I really like is centered around true informed consent because an educated parent is a great parent. I think for so many decades, moms and dads in the best interests of their children are like, What does my pediatrician say? What does my primary care doctor say? What does the public school system say, because obviously these entities must have my kids best interests at heart, and they just blindly followed guidelines. Now, I think we're getting back to informed choice, which is informed consent, it gets the legal term in the medical literature. Can we give parents that do not have a depth of expertise on vaccination, both sides of the story, and say, Here are the risks if you do vaccinate, here are the risks if you don't to vaccinate.

Here's where the research and the literature lies. One of the things I do appreciate about Bobby Kennedy is that I hear him talk over and over, not just about informed consent, but about pushing vaccines to go through the same level of rigorous testing that other drugs and treatments and modalities go through. Longer term studies, larger cohorts, double-blind, peer-reviewed, placebo-controlled, randomized clinical trials, the highest level scientific scrutiny. Would you agree that that's absent in a lot of… I'm not trying to sway your answer one way or the other.

You can ask me anything you want. Okay, go ahead. Sway me, but I'll push you back. Don't worry. Don't mind that we planted a bomb under your seat, and I have a little button right here. My whole life now with vaccines is that. I would be shocked.

Would you agree on the one side of the equation that a lot of vaccines have not gone through extensive, rigorous testing at the level that other drugs and treatments and modalities have gone through.

They have not gone through the best possible testing. Almost none of them have. You have to be very specific with that.

We can stop the podcast right there. Thank you.

But you have to be very specific because people twist and turn this. They have gone through a lot of testing, a lot of safety testing before they hit the market. It's not like they haven't done that. They have done placebo-controlled trials. Absolutely, they have. They haven't done inert placebo control trials. There is a big difference because the vast majority of the research when it comes to vaccines has been studied against an active placebo. What we want, ideally, is against saltwater or water, something that actually won't have an effect. Most of the trials for vaccines are against another vaccine, so the earlier version of it, or the vaccine without the actual antigen in it, so the MMR vaccine without the MMR part in it. That's what most of the trials have. You go back in time. You go back, you study one vaccine versus its earlier vaccine versus the earlier vaccine. The first vaccine wasn't studied in the best way because it was maybe done 20, 30, 40 years ago.

It wasn't to the level that we did now.

You're saying something is safe based on something else, and it's not against nothing. That's a big difference because you could say with a lot of the studies, Well, the new MMR vaccine is not more dangerous than the old MMR vaccine, but that doesn't mean that the original MMR vaccine doesn't cause a third arm. If you're doing both and a bunch of people get a third arm, you say, Oh, it's just equally as safe. But if you did it against an inert placebo like saltwater, you might actually see a difference there, and maybe there is some danger that you need to be concerned about.

We talked about this before the podcast started. I have a background in probability and statistics and modeling for mortality. It's really interesting how a good statistician can without manipulating the numbers per se, falsifying the data and outright committing fraud, but they can ask a different question and to get the outcome for the headliner that they want to grab. For example, you have a A hundred people that take a certain therapeutic intervention and one person gets helped, and then they modify that intervention, and now one and a half people out of 100 get helped, and they go, it's 50% more effective. Someone One reads that and goes, wow, this one is 50% more effective than the other one. But it was a half a person for every 100 people or top five people for every 1,000 people. It's really interesting how probability and statistics and statistical modeling without outright fraudulently fudging data can actually lead to different outcomes depending on how you ask this question. I think very often, from what I've seen, this is what's going on in vaccines. I want to talk a little bit about the genesis of vaccines. Again, I am not a vaccine expert, but we used to make a lot of vaccines out of attenuated viruses where we would extract the DNA, leave the envelope, the nucleocapsid protein, which would cause this antibody response, but it wasn't capable of infecting you.

To me, that seems like polio. To me, that seems, I don't know, but a more safe if that's even a term, to inoculate somebody's body because at least you're infecting them with something that can't actually cause the disease. It can't inject its DNA and take over that cellular, that cell's metabolic function.

That is true, and that's why a lot of vaccines have moved to the inactivated polio, because the oral polio vaccine actually can give you polio. It happened. It doesn't happen very often. It's like one in a million or one in a few million, but it was causing more polio than polio was causing polio in America, so they got rid of it and they left just the inactivated polio. The problem with the inactivated vaccines over a live vaccine is they just don't work as well. They're not as effective, so you have to wait.

They don't solicit as- They don't solicit as a robust response It's like the measles vaccine is a very good vaccine because the live vaccines, they tend to give you a more robust response over your lifetime.

The oral polio vaccine tends to work better. It's more efficacious than is the inactivated polio It's a trade-off that you get for those two vaccines. It's a give and a take, but that's what we need to do. We need to look at the balance of the pros and the cons on everything. That's how you make decisions, and it doesn't seem like we're doing that.

I want to walk through some of the more controversial vaccines and some of the more controversial vaccine methods, because I think this is where there's a lot of headlines that are being grabbed right now, being hepatitis B vaccine being probably the one that's most It's common that I see in the headlines right now because this is a virus that is transmitted by sexual activity, by intravenous drug use. And yet it's given in a very short time frame after birth. The mothers are tested for Hep B, so we know that the mother either is hep B positive or hep B negative. We know whether or not the fetus has been exposed. But after birth, the chances of a child engaging in sexual activity or intravenous drug use are pretty much zero.

Unless they have a wild baby party, which is what we talk about in our office sometimes.

Yeah, wild baby parties. Baby parties can get out of hand.

Sometimes, apparently.

I was going to make a really bad joke, but I won't do that. Baby is born. Their little immune system has barely entered this world. They're adjusting to this entirely new environment. They're breathing for the first time, they're nursing for the first time, they're out of the womb. Then immediately, we hit them with a hepatitis B vaccine for a sexually transmitted or intravenous drug use vaccine that the chances of them contracting are zero. I want to start there because that level of controversy seems to fly in the face of the conventional wisdom of this vaccine schedule. It's unnecessarily, in my opinion, activating their immune system at such an early stage when it's It's really just trying to figure out its way in the world. Specifically to the hepatitis B vaccine, what are your thoughts on that vaccine and the timing of it?

It's a great question. It's the most controversial vaccine, I would say, in terms of the timing in my office, in the questions that I get, it's the most skipped vaccine, I would say, for individuals, probably of all the vaccines, because of things that you mentioned. I would say the one thing you said that's incorrect is there isn't zero risk. It's just very, very, very low risk. It's not zero risk because the reason, if you go back and you look at why they changed hepatitis B to give it to babies. Originally, it was just given to high-risk groups. Those that were sexually active, those that were older, those that were miscuised, those kinds of things. Then they decided at whatever point that that wasn't good enough. They were still kids getting hepatitis B, and so they wanted more universal vaccination, so they gave it to them at birth because you technically can get it from somebody who as hepatitis B if they bleed on you, if you're not aware. The risk to a newborn is basically zero if you don't have hepatitis B, if nobody in your house has hepatitis B, if you don't go around anybody with hepatitis B and you don't get the blood on or something like that.

The risk is infinitely low, but you can have hepatitis B and not know it. That's the theoretical concern. Nowadays, we test.

Realistically- What's really interesting is, there's a quantifiable risk to just about everything. There's a risk every time that you get in the car to drive your kid to school, that you could get in a motor vehicle accident. If you look at motor vehicle accident deaths for prepuvescent children that are traveling to and from school or even on public transportation, there is a risk that you'll be involved in a motor vehicle accident. We can't stop taking kids to school. Correct. I think what vaccines, in my opinion, need to meet is this quantifiable risk hurdle. Okay, yes, the risk is not absolutely zero, but the risk is not zero that you won't break your ankle if you're playing in the yard.

That's the key factor there. That's the key question that has to be asked and has to be discussed and has to be debated because there isn't any question that the amount of hepatitis B, the rates have gone down because of universal vaccination. There are fewer people that have it. There are fewer people to pass it on. We don't see babies that get anymore because kids get hepatitis B if they decide to do it. But the The question is, at what cost? At what cost? In mainstream medicine media says, Oh, there's no cost. Vaccines are perfect. They barely cause any issues. We have a few things that are listed. Maybe it happens once in a million, but other than that, you're That's really fine. That just can't be totally true. We have to research things in a way to figure out what the actual long-term effects are. Of course, there has to be some effect to some babies. If you're giving a newborn baby something changes up their immune system in some way and how that affects you long term, it's impossible to know because we don't study that. We don't study things in that way.

If you look at the original hepatitis B vaccine studies, they studied them for safety for just a couple of days, four or five days was the active studying. You can't really know all that much from that. There certainly have been follow-up studies that have looked at these things, but how do you know what hepatitis B vaccine does to you 20 years later? We just don't know. I'm I'm not saying that it isn't safe. We just don't know. We have to have an extremely high bar of evidence and proof to give a newborn baby something that they don't actively need when the risk, in my opinion, is Very, very, very low. Not zero, but very, very, very low. To balance out that very low risk, you have to have a really high bar of safety. When people talk about safety testing, that's what they're talking about is, do we have that robust That's the level of data to confidently say that we feel like the benefits outweigh the risks? That's what we need so people can make an informed choice. It doesn't mean you shouldn't take it. It just means that you should be able to know the risks and the benefits so you can decide If you, it's right for you because you might want to protect your baby from hepatitis B.

Yeah. Well, I guess you would want to protect them if you were in a high-risk environment. I guess the million-dollar question as a board-certified pediatrician, the author of this book on vaccines is, did your child get the hepatitis B vaccine?

I don't ever talk about my own kids. I say in my office, people do all sorts of things. That's the most what. I let them one day, if they want to talk about it, they can talk about whatever they did or didn't do. But in my office, people do everything.

Meaning vaccinate, don't vaccinate.

Some vaccinate, some don't. I would say the vast majority choose not to do that one because they've been tested and they decide to do it later if they're going to do vaccines.

Okay. Then there's another controversy around the use of some these metals, especially aluminum, because aluminum does solicit an inflammatory response, which in the case of a vaccine would heighten the immune system's response to that antigen. Again, correct me if I'm saying something wrong. But the portion of the aluminum that has not really been studied, does it actually heighten or solicit the inflammatory and allergenic response to other Both things, like pollen, hay fever, ragweed, eggs, and peanuts. There seems to be some correlated studies, not causal studies, that would indicate that when we were using these metals in vaccines to elicit this heightened immune response, that in the presence of other antigens that we weren't really trying to inoculate the child against, like peanuts and other things, that if they happen to have ingested peanuts at the time where they were getting this vaccine. Now, all of a sudden, they have this peanut allergy, or they have an allergy to something else because the immune system flared up because of the aluminum carrier that was designed to really heighten the response to that vaccine and crossed over into other areas of now, what turned out to be very severe allergies.

I mean, look at the number of peanut allergies now in young kids. My father's 82 years old. Then I asked him the other day, Captain John Breca. I was like, How many kids did you know growing up that had peanut allergies? He's like, Nobody. He actually didn't know anybody that had autism either, which is another whole hot topic. I didn't either as a child. Now my 16-year-old knows 10 people with autism. There's no doubt that there's skyrocketing rates of autism. The question is why. But I want to get back to the Illumium.

There's three big questions here.

I'm piling all these.

It's just coming- These are all their own chapters. We'll do each one. We'll do all three because they're all super interesting.

Okay, so can we just touch on some of these carrier mechanisms that we're using? We use an attenuated virus, which I think seems to be the safest route to me. Then we also purposely put other compounds in these vaccines so that we heighten the immune system's response, and now it seems to carry over into other reactions.

Okay, so let's do-Or allergies. Number one, one of the big reasons why we need to talk about this is all the stuff that you just mentioned with chronic disease, because, yes, it is very true that basically every chronic disease is increasing in kids Kids, 50% of kids or so have a chronic disease. Asthma rates have doubled or tripled. Allergy rates have doubled or tripled. Autism rates have gone through the roof. It was one in 150 in 2000, and now it's one in 36, one in 22 in California. Those numbers have skyrocketed. One in 22? One in 22. We're one of the highest in the world. In California? Yeah. Wow. Let's leave autism. We'll come back to it. Wow. People always talk about autism, so we'll do it. But let's start with aluminum. That would be, I would say, the hottest topic in terms of the ingredients in vaccines right now. The issue... Aluminum, like you said, it's used to help stimulate the immune response. That's why it's there. If you don't stimulate the immune response for some of these vaccines, it doesn't give you as robust an immune response, so it doesn't work that well.

That's why they have it in there. The research from mainstream is that it doesn't cause any negative side effects. They've done panels and groups, and all the research overall shows that. That's the mainstream opinion on aluminum. My concern with it- Love to see the conflict of interest on this panel. Yeah, there are plenty. That's another topic. You can. There's conflict of interest in everything because the people that do a lot of the research are the head of the CDC, vaccine safety. If they find vaccine problems, they're probably not keeping their job very long. There is inherent conflict. Not that they shouldn't do research, but that's the inherent conflict there. But if you look at the other metal, so start with lead. Lead was never in vaccines, but lead was totally fine for a long for a long time. Then we started to learn more and know more and dropped the amount that was okay, and now we say no lead is safe. Then you had mercury in vaccines. You had thymium aerosol. That was one of the active ingredients. Still never technically proven to cause an issue, but they pulled it of vaccines anyways out of precaution because of all the controversy around 2000 around it, and so they pulled it out.

We have other metals.

The problem is they pulled it out after they inoculated millions of kids.

Oh, yeah, it was in the vaccine. It's still in some vaccines. It's not the main ones. It's in the multi-dose flu because it is a really good preservative, so it helps kill the bacteria and the fungay. That's why it's in there. It was never proven, air quotes, to be a problem, but they took it out in an abundance of caution because the concern was that you were getting more mercury in vaccines than was stated to be safe to get mercury from food. They decided that in an abundance of caution, they would take it out, is what they say. That happened. Now you have aluminum. That's the other thing that's in there, and they say that it's safe, but I guess the question is going to be, over the next 10, 20 years, as we get more and more research and data, are we going to decide that it's not very safe? You cannot possibly say that aluminum is totally safe because we have safety regulations on everything else. You have how much aluminum you can have in the air when you're working. You have safety data from the EPA in water. You can have 0.

2 milligrams in water in a liter, but you can have that much aluminum in a vaccine. Then they say, Well, you're drinking water all the time versus a vaccine you're just getting every now and again. So once in a while is okay. And, Oh, by the way, we have lots of aluminum in our food and you have aluminum in medications, and that's much, much higher dose. So the amount of aluminum you're getting from vaccines overall is still really, really, really low. So therefore, we don't need to worry about it. That's the rationale that they have. And it's true, it is much lower than you get in general, but it's not injecting it into you. It's a little bit of a different mechanism.

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This is next-level science, and you need to try these. Now, let's get back to the Ultimate Human podcast. Well, I would argue that a lot of times, we say the dosage determines the poison, and I don't know that that's necessarily true a lot of times because very often it's the cumulative dosage that determines the poison. Nobody got mercury poisoning from eating one piece of tuna. They got mercury poisoning because mercury Mercury is extraordinarily slow to be methylated out of the body. We do methylate heavy metals, and we do slowly eliminate them, but it's an extraordinarily slow process. If you keep inoculating the body, especially in somebody that's a poor methylator, then these compounds tend to stack up and then bang, you've got mercury poisoning, or lead poisoning or aluminum poisoning or heavy metal toxicity and all the consequences that go with that, linked to Hashimotos and all kinds of other autoimmune conditions. You've got It's the metals embedded in the tissue and they're hard to find because they're hard to find in the bloodstream because they leave the blood go into the tissue. But what is your opinion after having looked at all the data on using aluminum as one of these carriers to solicit this immune response?

What does the data say?

The data still shows that it doesn't cause any major concern, but the data is done by the people that are looking into it. There is some research out there that looks at actually the aluminum in vaccines and the amount of aluminum vaccines isn't actually what it's stated. Sometimes it's higher, sometimes it's lower. Now we have more and more vaccines. I would say my opinion is it's not unreasonable to be concerned about it. I think that we should not feel bad, or a parent should not feel bad about being concerned that there is aluminum being injected into their child and that they would want more research and data to be done to independently look at this, to have a better idea of what's going on. Just like with mercury, just like with lead, I think we need a lot more information.

If a parent came into your office and said, Listen, I don't want to take the hepatitis B vaccine because nobody in my house has hepatitis B or nobody in my family has hepatitis B. I don't plan to let somebody bleed on my baby. I don't want to fire of their immune response. What would be your response to that parent?

I wouldn't force them to do anything. I may never do. We just have discussions around what that means and the risks about hepatitis B, and if they're comfortable with that risk, and that's what they're comfortable with. Just like anything else, if you're going to do a surgery, you talk about the pros and the cons. Some people decide to do it, some people don't. I don't know why medicine has moved into this place where they feel like the doctor's opinion to replace the patients. For whatever reason, medicine has moved to telling people what to do instead of teaching them. In this form of consent. Which doctor literally means docer, which is to teach. That's the meaning of the word. That's what it always was. Now we're telling people what to do. You should be giving them the information so they can make the best choice for them. If you totally believe in vaccines, that's great. Convince the patient to do it based on information and data that's available. If they decide to do it, do it and not, not. But we have very much moved into a place where it's my way or the highway, and you're kicked out of the office if you don't do it.

That brings a lot of ethics and concerns that I think we're moving into.

Where do you fall on the aluminum in vaccines? Are you exactly middle of the road? Hey, there's enough evidence to say that they don't cause harm and enough evidence to say that they do cause harm. This should purely be the parents' decision. Or do you say, I'd like to see more safety trials. I'd like to see more evidence giving the correlated evidence of this parabolic rise in the vaccine schedule and the parabolic rise in all kinds of childhood issue. We have the highest rate of childhood cancer in recorded history. We have the highest rates of autism. We have the highest rates of obesity. We have the highest rates of metabolic syndrome. They seem to be starting in younger and younger younger ages. I know that's multifactorial, but we have young girls starting their period way before their pre-pess in years. I'm sure you've seen that in your practice, too. I know that there's not one panacea Oh, it's just the vaccines. Oh, it's just the hormone disruptors. Oh, it's just the shampoo. It's just the processed food. I think it's a combination of all of these things, this toxic soup that we're bathing their cellular biology in.

But where do you fall personally on on vaccines that have aluminum metals in them as a carrier?

I think there is no question that our children's health is a disaster and moving in the wrong direction. It's in It's deteriorating as a pediatrician and a dad that we're not open to discussing everything and looking into everything and not coming in with our preconceived notions about things like vaccines or ingredients in vaccines, because at the end of the day, we all want the same thing. We want healthy kids. We might not all agree on how to get there. You might be the most pro-vaccine person in the world, and some might be totally anti-vaccine, but that doesn't matter. The question is, what is actually creating this inflammation and these chronic diseases? We have It should be open to everything. Aluminum and vaccines are a very logical, probable contributor to this epidemic in some way for some kids in certain situations. To say that there's no evidence evidence or data of that is ridiculous. If you look at certain books, they say there's no evidence. But then if you look at other books, there's lots of evidence in good journals.

There's plenty of evidence on aluminum. I think the jury is not out on aluminum. Whether or not the amount of aluminum in the vaccine, but I mean, the jury is in on aluminum in its capacity to elicit inflammatory response.

Correct. There's no question with that. I don't even know that that's argued. I think the argument for those that are pro-vaccine is the amount is so little, that that's not actually the trigger or the cause. I think that's very debatable. I think that's something that should be debated because it's a very plausible mechanism. You are literally hyper-stimulating the immune system to do something. Whether that would have any effect on your immune system, whether it would affect the balance in your immune system, there is a lot of biological plausibility to that, even though they say that there isn't. I don't know why, because we know that vaccines cause reactions. It's not like that's anti It's listed on the inserts. It's been proven that it causes encephalopathy and Guillain-Barre syndrome and seizures in a minority of people, but it does. If they can do that, then why can't it do other things for certain people? It just hasn't been proven, but you have to do the research to prove it. That's a good segue with autism.

I don't know where you want to go. That's exactly where I want to go because I want to walk through this. Then I want to also talk about vaccine timing because I also think that when When a child is going from birth through their pubescent years, there's no mechanism in nature where they would be exposed at this schedule and the rate of these vaccines to the types of debilitating diseases and conditions that we're vaccinating against. No question that a child is not going to be exposed to polio and malaria and tuberculosis and hepatitis B and typhoid fever and all of these different significant diseases, the debilitating diseases in the period of time that we're I'm loculating them for those. I want to come back to autism in a second. But one of the things that's happened over the last few decades is not only has the number of vaccines on the schedule significantly increased, and maybe you could give me some data on that. I don't want to quote it because I don't purport to know the exact number and how it's increased. But it seems to me like every other time they're going to the pediatrician, they're not only getting vaccines, but very often they're grouped together.

Parents are thinking, well, wow, I'm going to inoculate my child with multiple vaccines that's going to solicit at the same time this multiple immune response on multiple fronts as if they landed in a foreign country and they got bit by a mosquito, stepped on a rusty nail, had an intravenous drug action, was involved in sexual activity, and caught an airborne illness. This bomb went off, and we need to protect them against that. Can you talk a little bit about timing and grouping these vaccines together and whether or not you feel or the evidence says that it's overwhelming their little immune systems. I think parents are just lost.

It's another question I get all the time, and it's That's another great question that doesn't specifically have research to answer the question, which is really frustrating. If you ask people at the CDC or you read Paul Offit's books, there really is no upper limit to what they're uncomfortable with in terms of giving antigens and vaccines for kids. They're-total. I would have quoted it. They just saying, well, you're exposed to all sorts of things every day and you get an apple and there's all sorts of antigens on there. You're exposed to streptococcus and how many Vaccines are on there. You could have 10,000 vaccines. You could have 100,000 vaccines and you would be totally fine. They literally say that. You can go to their website and there's no upper limit to the amount of vaccines.

They say that there's no upper limit to the amount of vaccines.

It's right there. Wow. It's there.

I hope that you take issue with that. I know.

I take great issue with that because that's a preposterous thing to say. It doesn't make any sense. An antigen in a vaccine is not the same thing as an antigen in real life, and it's not the same thing as injecting it, and it's not the same It's not the same thing as injecting it in a soup of chemicals.

It's not the same thing as injecting it with a compound that's meant to solicit a greater response from the immune system than if they encountered that.

It's just not the same thing. Now, could you get 10,000 vaccines in a day? I don't know. Maybe. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe that's not unsafe, but that doesn't seem logical to me, and it seems unsafe. Definitely unsafe. I'll say it. I'll just say it. It seems unsafe to be. But you can go to the doctor now at six months old, and you can get six different vaccines. You could get the Vaxelis vaccine, which has the DTAP, hemophluous influenza, hepatitis B, and polio, that's all in one. Then you can get the pneumococcus vaccine. You could get the rotovirus vaccine. You can get the flu vaccine. You can get the COVID vaccine. All in one day. That's six with multiple things in there. That is on the regular schedule.

What's interesting, and not to cut you off, but what's interesting is those vaccines have different delivery mechanisms. Some are mRNA, some are attenuated viruses, some have Some have the aluminum, some don't. I think it's not just the vaccine, it's the mechanism of soliciting the immune response.

And not to mention that there are different versions of each one. It's just like a mix and match. It's like, Oh, yeah, I guess they're all fine, and they're all fine together and you can do them whenever you want. Where is the research to show that? That is what we need. I can't say that that's unsafe, but I can certainly say that there is a theoretical reasonableness to being concerned about more and more vaccines on the same day, however you do it. They're definitely not studied like that. You would think that it would be reasonable to say, Hey, I want to study. We want to give measles and chicken box together. If there's a couple of different versions, which ones are safer?

Yeah. Have there been any really strong high-quality studies that look at... I know that they look at vaccines individually, but have there been any studies, credible studies that look at grouping of the vaccines at one time?

Not really. A lot of the trials, do you have some of the other vaccines in there? Because you have to give kids the regular scheduled vaccines at this point. They are still getting their normal vaccines in the setting of the study. That's just part of it when you're getting it. They are getting different vaccines, but they're not studying that question. Let's say they're studying a new measles vaccine. They're studying the old measles vaccine against the new measles vaccine in the setting of you getting your other vaccines. You're not mix and matching. You're not comparing those other things. You're just studying the safety of one measles shot versus the other shot. Then those are other things that are just like background. No, they're not. And you just keep adding more vaccines. We have an RSC vaccine, a COVID vaccine, a flu vaccine. How do these things, when you're getting them every year, impact that whole schedule? We don't know that, and we have to know that. We have to know.

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Make sure you get the ultimate human version. Now, let's get back to the ultimate human podcast. What do you say to the parents? I've seen thousands and And I've seen thousands and thousands of these reports, and I've seen summaries of these reports where a child is fully functional, they're neurologically healthy. They've got all the proper reflexes and responses that they're supposed to have. Then they get a group of vaccines, and their neurological system just shuts down. I'm sure you've seen this in your practice, too. You can't go in and pinpoint, but they're like, Well, he got vaccinated on Monday, and Wednesday, he was in a neurological storm, for lack of better words. Their neurological system was clearly overwhelmed, and now the kids have all kinds of... It can be paralysis, seizures, learning disabilities, speech impairments, instantly, like out of the gate. I mean, dramatic responses. When you see something like that? Do you really need a clinical study to show that correlation when you see that over and over again?

You do need a study, but you don't need it to listen to parents to do those studies. I think one of the most frustrating things is we're not listening to parents and we're not listening to moms. Amen to that. The same story is happening over and over and over again. Their parents are ashamed. They're ashamed and they're That they're crazy and that they don't know what they're talking about. A parent has no reason to lie. They have no reason to make this up. You're a parent who, in theory, went in and got your vaccine, so you're pro-vaccine to whatever degree, and you got a bunch of vaccines, a bunch of stuff happened, and then you're now concerned that it was because of the vaccines. That's an unreasonable position to have. You need the studies to prove whether it's right or wrong because an anecdote is just an anecdote and things happen. You get a vaccine today, and some people inherently are going to die today, are going to have a heart attack today. You could go into the doctor in the morning and get a vaccine and die in the afternoon from a heart attack, and you would blame it on the vaccine.

It doesn't have to be because of the vaccine. I get that.

But when you see identical stories occurring after similar inoculations.

But that's why you need the research, I think, and that's why I'm saying that, because you have to prove that it's not just a correlation that just one person died or got autism right after a vaccine. You're saying, Well, that's the reason. No, you have to show that and We have to listen to parents to do that. That's where research comes from. You get the research idea from listening to individuals or noticing something or noticing a pattern. There is a very clear pattern that we're hearing from parents, and yet we hear that there is no relationship between vaccines and autism, and the science is proven. The science is absolutely proven. I've been told this my whole career. I never thought to question it. I never thought to think about it because you're just told. Like, vaccines don't cause autism. The research is so robust. We know this for sure.

Well, we know for sure that there's no such thing as sudden onset autism. We also know that autism is not something you can catch. You can have a non-autistic child hang out with all autistic children for hundreds hundreds of days and not get autism. But then you have a non-autistic child that gets a group of vaccines, and this has happened hundreds, if not thousands of times that I've read, and they suddenly have autism. You have this sudden onset of a neuroinflammatory condition within a very specific window of being vaccinated. Most of the time, it's when they have multiple inoculations that I've read. I want you to take issue with what I'm saying.

If I say something that's not No, I've read that.

Yes, maybe there's not a... It's correlated, not causal, if we want to get super technical, but when you see so many parents having the same experience and so many children having the same experience, and we know there's no such thing as sudden autism. There is such thing as sudden onset cardiac death. Maybe that could not be correlated. But no one just woke up one day and was fine and went to bed that night and had autism.

But I think it's important to be super precise because we want to be super precise with this because it matters if we want to move the conversation forward. To move the conversation forward, the research has not been done on autism. You can't say that vaccines cause autism because you'd have to have the research to show that, we have not done that to be able to show that vaccines cause autism. You can't say that. I think, personally, many things can cause autism or be related to autism. It's not just vaccines. I think they could potentially light a fire for some kids that are already there. Kids get it. Maybe it's something to do with A heart defect or something in utero or environmental outcomes. I think because we don't have a specific test for autism, it's probably many things, many things can contribute. But when you talk about the research on autism, we are told over and over again, it's settled. If you look at the research, it doesn't exist. It doesn't exist. In my entire life, this is probably the most shocking thing I've ever seen because for this book, I wanted to go through the research and This is why medicine says, Autism is not caused by vaccines.

It's very clear. There's so much evidence. Let me show you. Here's the other stuff. We should keep looking this, but here is the evidence. When I started going through the research, and I have a master's in epidemiology, so I have done research in the past. I've actually done a literature review on body checking and hockey, Canadian, whatever. That's what I did. It was a body check injuries in hockey, but I still had to do it. That was outside the pediatric realm? Well, I did injuries. We can talk about that until the end of the podcast if you're a hockey player. I have done research. I had a good idea. I started going through the literature on PubMed, and I was shocked at what I was not finding. That made no sense. I started looking at the literature that existed. I started reading books I read Paul Offit's book and Peter Hotez's book about autism because there has to be more. It doesn't exist. They've only studied MMR and thymersol. Thymersol research doesn't really matter anymore because it's not really in the vaccine, so you can call that stuff out. That means they've just studied MMR.

You get MMR when you're one. We have all sorts of other vaccines before then. They have not been studied ever. If it was done, Paul Offit would wave it. Everybody would wave it. They would say, It's insane. You're saying that vaccines are proven that. You cannot say that. You cannot say that it has been proven not to cause autism, or it does.

You need the research. Would you agree that autism is a neuroinflammatory condition?

I think for some kids it is. I think it's many things, but yes.

Would you agree that certain vaccines and vaccine compounds can cause neural inflammation or at least cause- They can definitely cause neuroinflammation.

There's no question. The reports, the studies, they show that they can cause encephalopathy and seizures. That is why-Encephalopathy, there you go. Right. If those things are possible, and if you look at the animal studies that have been done, there are changes to the brain in certain areas that affect similar things like you would see in autism. Obviously, an animal study is not the same as humans, but there is a biological plausibility there, but you have to study it to prove it. The fact that we haven't actually studied it is very concerning to me because the question is why. It's concerning to me, too. Why don't we... It would not be very hard to use large databases to look at these things.

We have the database. You can use artificial intelligence to even to comb the vast amount of data that we have. I mean, I think I talk about this all the time, the merger of artificial intelligence and data and early detection could look at this voluminous database that we have and take all of these correlations and independently validate trillions of independent variables and say this is at least the most likely.

I've seen so many, especially with RFK lately, so many things on the mainstream media saying, it's proven. We know. There are hundreds of studies. No, there isn't. They have not read the literature because I never read the literature. I should have, but I was told this my whole life, so why would I look and spend weeks and months reading books to read the research? When you go read it, if doctors wanted to go read it, and they can, if they disagree, send me the papers if you can find it, they don't exist, I promise you, because you can read Paul Offit's book and you can read Peter Hotez's book on autism, and they don't have anything else in there except for basically MMR and thymersal. You can say with some general confidence that probably Obviously, MMR itself is correlated with not causing autism because there's a pretty good amount of studies in that. But that doesn't mean that vaccines don't cause autism. Because vaccines are not on one size fits all. Vaccines are a lot. They're a lot. Maybe it's multiple in a row, maybe It's multiple on one day. Maybe it's a specific ingredient in there.

Maybe it's the combination of those things with a certain genetic makeup. I don't know. May have nothing to do with vaccines. I don't know, but we should know.

Yeah. I mean, at a minimum, if a parent came to you for advice and said, Listen, I've read your book and I'm ready to make a decision. Would you recommend that they, at a minimum, spread the vaccines out, or are you fine, inoculating children with multiple vaccines in one shot?

The CDC schedule is still the CDC schedule. So until something else is studied to make a recommendation above and beyond that, that is still the recommendation. I tell people they have to make that decision themselves because anything else than that would be giving medical advice, especially on the podcast. Well, you're a board-certified pediatrician. But I can't give medical advice, someone's not my patient. But even in my office, I still think that the research is missing to give the actual appropriate advice to build the way the pros and the cons. Therefore, I can't supersede my opinion over the family's opinion based on the fact that this is what I've read and this is what I think that you should... Because the evidence and the research and the guidelines are to do it based on that schedule. If you want to go outside of that, that is a personal choice with the way that you weigh the pros and cons for those vaccines. I think that we need to do that more so we can get the research, because how do you know what the risk from a vaccine is unless it's studied in that way? That's a huge part of the equation, because there is no question, based on the data, that vaccines do a lot for some of those diseases, but the question is, what are the risks?

What are the risks of exposure to some of those diseases?

I don't know if you know that RFK was talking about Guinea-Bissau in Africa about the DPT vaccine, so the wholesale vaccine that we don't use anymore because of all the issues that it had, so it got taken off the market. It's still used by millions of people in Africa. There was a really interesting that he mentioned that I never had heard of it, and then I went to look and it's true. But the kids that get the DPT vaccine, so they were checking them three-month intervals when they were young, there was a five times higher rate of death in the kids that got the DPT vaccine than the kids that didn't get it. They weren't dying from diphtheria pertussis or tetanus, those were fine, but they were dying of other things. This has been studied multiple times by multiple different people. They're dying. These are the questions we have to ask, what else is happening? Because if that increases your risk of X, Y, and Z, that might be worse than your risk of being able to get hepatitis B. I don't know.

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It's like the CEO, which is the DNA inside the nucleus of the cell, has a notepad, and he scribbles down directions to instruct a cell organelle to conduct a certain activity. If I'm the CEO, if I'm the DNA, I write this message, messenger ribonucleic acid, I send it out into the cytoplasm of the cell. A cell organelle receives that message and then conducts that instruction, make this protein, for example. From my understanding, and I would love for you to clarify this, that Messenger RNA and that the DNA would send into the cytoplasm of the cell, that message that instructs that cell organelle to make certain protein, when it's organic, it degrades over a certain period of time. What we did with messenger RNA vaccines, mRNA vaccines, was we made a synthetic copy of that message, and we inject this. We stole the CEO's notepad and said, We're going to write instructions on behalf of the DNA. The cell organelle is not going to know the difference between an mRNA message that came from the DNA and an mRNA message that came from this synthetic inoculation. When that message reaches that cell organelle, my understanding, one of the downsides that does seem to have some significant clinical evidence is that that message does not degrade, or at least does not degrade as quickly as an organic message would.

Therefore, there's a tendency for some people, especially to overproduce these proteins, like a spike protein or other proteins. Where do you fall in that?

I agree with what you said. I'm not an expert in that, I would say. I think that the research on the MRI vaccines is changing so frequently, and I certainly touch on the book a little bit, but I don't get so into it because I think that needs its own library of books because it's so new and it keeps changing. But from what I have read and from what I have seen, the theory is that it's supposed to degrade really quickly. That's not necessarily being found from some research and some studies, and certainly they're finding it in places they didn't expect to find it, and it's not degrading nearly as fast. They're still finding it months, years later. I do think that there is a concern around the knowledge that we initially had about this platform versus what's actually occurring.

I think it would be safe I hate to say that there's no research that would find an organic messenger RNA sequence that left the nucleus of the cell, went into the cytoplasm, months or certainly not years after that message was sent. If we are picking up mRNA messages years, which I've seen those studies myself, after inoculation, that is a very non-natural response that we're We're asking the body to solicit. Maybe it wasn't intended. I don't know that I fall in the camp that this was a giant gene experiment conducted by a small group of people to take over the world. But I am in the camp of how did we ever do this mass inoculation on the population without long term safety data. When you look at the way that a lot of these vaccines were approved through these emergency use authorizations, the emergency Emergency use authorisation was essentially designed to allow for the rapid deployment of a treatment when there were no other treatments available. I think there were other treatments available. There were other antiviral treatments that had very high safety studies and also had high efficacy like hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin. I mean, those two words just got this whole podcast.

That's it.

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If vaccines didn't get you, you said the other ones.

It's so sad because I am, and I can tell you are, too, I'm really trying to have a non-biased discussion. I'm not trying to get on here and say it was all a big giant gene experiment designed to kill everybody. But what I'm saying is common sense says if we stole the CEO's notepad and we can still find the message years later, that's not the intention. I mean, flat out.

I just want to say on that- Let's just call it what it is. When you go through the pandemic, and one of the reasons and things that pushed me over the edge was just the very obvious- He used to push me over the edge. Well, push you over the edge in terms of being willing to and feeling like I need to start talking about this is the lies and the obvious ridiculous things that were said during that time, they can't happen again. Trust in medicine is gone because of the ridiculous things that were said that could possibly be true. You look at the stats, 70% plus people used 2020 were It's favorable for doctors and hospitals. Now it's under 40%. These are big polls. They're gone.

Sadly, the doctors don't deserve that.

No, doctors are good people. They're great people. But you can't take a profession and just keep forcing things on people without having discussions. The ironic thing is all of this forcing has pushing people the other way. We have the highest amounts of exemptions request, the lowest vaccine rates ever that we've had in modern history. Everything's going in the wrong direction. When you say things with a new product, like safe and effective, it's a ridiculous thing to say because you don't know that because it's new. You could say, reasonably, based on the research that we have so far, the benefits seem to outweigh the known risks in the short term. In the short term. So we recommend it. I'm not against, even the EUA, I'm not against creating a new product because you might need it and you might save your life. That's fine. The forcing and the gaslighting and the telling people that you require to do something, that's where we have a problem. That's what needs to be out of medicine.

Tons of people lost their jobs, lost their careers.

You don't need to force people to do things. You have to convince them to take it based on the research and the data. You convince them, you show them, you give them the information, you let them decide. If that was the case, I don't have a problem with the vaccine. You can have it, you want to take it, you think it saved your life, great, go for it. That's what it's there for.

You want to take- Just know that neither side has long-term data. We're starting to get some now, medium-term data, I guess I would say, and in my opinion, it's not good, but we don't have the long term data. That was one of my issues with Operation Warp Speed. It's like, wow, Warp Speed is just basically waiting to safety drive.

Right. That natural.

It's not speeding up the deployment of the vaccine. It's just waiving what was put there as a fail safe to protect humanity. I want to shift gears a little bit, too, because I'm going to encourage everybody to read your book. I I've not thoroughly read it, but I've read it and saw the same statistics that you saw, the erosion of confidence in our health care and a lot of our governmental elites and of the practitioners, which is sad that it's eroding in the practitioner because I've never met a physician that had a sinister motive once in my life, and I know hundreds and hundreds of doctors. If they made an error, it was an omissive error, not a commissive error. I think we're blaming them for being a part of this grand conspiracy, and I don't think that the physicians as a whole deserve that label. But moving on now to... It's bright in the room a little bit.

I'm bright. I think it's good. We're talking. That's all I care about.

I actually like this discussion. I don't know if I'm going to get banned from social media after this one, but it is what it is.

I haven't been banned yet, so we'll see.

You haven't? Okay.

I'm going to hold on to your coattails.

Let's talk about raising healthy children. We know beyond a shadow of a doubt, autism rates are skyrocketing, autoimmune diseases are skyrocketing, morbid obesity is skyrocketing. We have the highest rates of childhood cancer and recorded history. We have the highest rates of learning disabilities, which some people would argue, Well, now we're testing for learning disabilities, and we didn't test for them before. Now we have more sensitive testing for autism. We didn't test for that before. I think that that's nonsense. This isn't lightening the room. Yeah, all right. Well, I'm about to get to the light. We're walking from the darkness. The sun's about to rise here. Just stay with me. What I want to talk about is First of all, I love your approach on informed consent for parents. I think the book is going to give people the information they need to make those decisions. I hope that their pediatricians, their public schools will respect the wishes of parents. But what are You also wrote a book on parenting, and you're a parent and a pediatrician, so clearly you're an authority. What are some things that... Some advice that you would give to parents to raise healthy children?

I think the most important place to start is in recognizing that we have to take health into our own hands. The establishment at this point, medicine, our organizations, are not going to do that for us. We are seeing Seeing the trends go in this opposite direction. It wasn't like this just 10, 20, 30 years ago. We're not dying when we're 40. It's not all of medicine health care is bad. We have moved in a positive direction in general. But then we're seeing chronic disease rates skyrocket, and we're seeing things go backwards now and life expectancy going down. We have to find where in the middle, where is the balance? What are the things that we're not doing as well? Be a little humble with that. I think that starts at home. It starts with the lifestyle. It starts with the basic things that we do, like the food that we're eating, the toxins that we're exposed to, making sure that we're getting sleep. I call it the seeds of health, those stress, environment and toxins. How do you set up your home and what are some things, some practical things that a parent could implement?

Because I know there's a lot of overwhelmed I actually have quite a few young parents that are heavily follow the podcast and follow me. They're on to folic acid and methylated vitamins for their kids and eating wholefoods, trying to get more wholefoods into the house and more highly processed foods out of the house. What are some of your tips and tricks? Hey, here's the four or five things, the basics that you need to do just to make sure that you are We are bringing the basis to raise.

Yeah, I think you started with some of them. I think food is the biggest key.

I think that- I would totally agree with that.

We have to realize that the vast majority of food, even the best food, is still sprayed in all sorts of chemicals and crap. So You get the best possible food that you can as often as you can. She's talking about organic. Organic. Wholefoods. Wholefood, but locally grown, know where it's grown from. Because even if you go, you have to do the best that you can within your means. I understand that sometimes things can be harder to get and more expensive, but ideally, you get the best possible food that you can. Because if you go to even a good grocery store, think about when it was picked. It was picked in some other country, shipped across the whole world, sits in there for a few days, you get it, then you eat it a couple of days But if you pick something off of a tree, it lasts for three days. It's obviously sprayed in all sorts of crap, even if it's organic. If you can try to plant some things in your garden, try to go to farmers markets and get things that are picked. Do you do that? Do you guys grow? Yes, we go.

I mean, as much as we can- Here in Los Angeles, you're growing your own? We have some of our own food, but we go to places that... We go to the farmer's market and we go to a place that gets things shipped in from farmer's markets for most of our produce.

Because I think that's where the things are. There's an app. I'm going to try to find it and link it in the show notes now that you just I've figured something in my memory that there's an app that you put in your zip code and it will tell you where the local farmer's markets are and if there's an Amish farm next to you. It's Raw Milk Finder? Okay. It's called Raw Milk Finder? Maybe that was the one because it's not just finding raw milk. It was also, which you guys can, thankfully, in California, you can get. You can get raw cheese and raw milk, and you can get grass-fed meats and pasture-raised eggs and free-range chicken and lion-caught fish. You You can get a lot of really good foods in the state. But I guess I think that's the app that I'm talking about where people can put in their zip code, and it shows you local farmers markets, local growers, Amish farms, places where you can actually go and get honey and maple syrup and milk and cheese.

Luckily, now you can order things. You can order boxes from places that you can have people ship stuff to you.

Yeah. I use Parker Pastures and some of these other services that will ship to you. So Whole Foods, locally grown. What about things like stressors for our kids, screen time, social media, being raised on an iPad? What are some of your tips and advice for getting kids into an environment where we can take advantage of the neuroplasticity and excite their brains and really draw out their creativity? Because what I've been reading a lot lately is that that the rigid structure of our school system is antithetical to the way that humans, and obviously, children are humans, truly learn. We learn by exploration. We learn by making a mistake. We go to grab a certain thing, it's got a thorn on it and it sticks us. Okay, don't grab that again. We go out and we explore in our world and we problem-solve. I think a lot of those skills are lacking in such an electronic, social media-driven, very superficial society. It's a pediatrician, and I'll confess, I haven't read the parenting book yet. I will, so that I can recommend it to my audience. But what are some advice that they can get from this book?

I think that's very important what you mentioned with screentime. Number one, for the older kids, the average teenager now is on screen 7-9 hours a day. Younger kids are getting on screens more and more. Really, the biggest issue with screens is what you're not doing. Just like you said, you're not getting outside, you're not exploring, you're not in nature, you're not around other kids. That is devastating for so many reasons to our health. All of the research, anything I've ever seen, shows that the kids that start school later in other countries, they start at 7, 8, 9, they do better academically in the long run. We're not meant to sit in a classroom, certainly not when you're three or four. I understand people have to do it because they need daycare because they're working. I get it, but that's not the ideal scenario for a kid They don't need to be learning that much when they're three. They just need to be playing. We want them playing outside and moving and not being on screen. It's not to say that you can never be on a screen. We all watched a little TV when we were younger.

That's fine. But if you're plopping them in front of a screen all day, then what are you not doing? You can learn from a screen, but every study ever has shown that you don't learn as well from a screen as you do from people.

What are maybe some quick tips to reduce stress in our kids?

I think one of the biggest things is to get off of social media. Don't let them watch the news all the time and don't let them get on social media till they're older. Minimize the screen time as much as you can for them. I think that we know at this point pretty clearly that social media is detrimental to our health. Thankfully, schools are starting to push back, and some places are going to say, Okay, we're not going to have phones in school. All of the data that's come back from that has been really excellent in terms of increasing focus and decreasing stress. I think that is a big one. Another huge one is just exercise. It's not rocket science, but our kids They don't move anymore. A lot of your stress reduction just comes from moving and moving things through and gaining toxins out and just not thinking about things and having a good time. We never had to think about that before. People just moved. You look at all the blue zones around the world. They don't do anything magical. They just move, work. They just cook or they work in the farm. You see the grandma's working in the kitchen.

They're 95. They got bigger muscles than me. What are they doing? They're just cooking. Yeah, they're moving. We just have to get back to prioritizing that, prioritizing family movement, getting outside, going for walks together, bring that back as a priority because our health is not a priority. It hasn't been for a while. Faster, cheaper, better became a priority, especially in America. Now we talk about, Oh, it's classes to say you want to have healthy food, or I'm too busy, or I don't have enough money. Those excuses have to go away. We have to say this is our priority, and I get it. I understand that sometimes things can be more expensive or you can be busy, but we want to be healthy, and what we're doing isn't working. If you want one of the two kids have a chronic disease, keep doing what we're doing. But other than that, we have to change it. It's not classes to say, I want everyone to have healthy food. Every kid deserves that. That is something that we should be making happen. Hopefully, we're going to see that change in the country. That may mean that we have to change some of the rules and the laws and the priorities and where the funding goes.

Fine. But that has to be our priority. That shouldn't be something that a doctor can't say for of getting called ableist or whatever. It's like, look, this is what we have to do, how we get there. It's a bigger issue, but we just need to make that a priority. If we do, then we can have healthier kids and you can have a healthier family, but start with your own family because it's not happening today. I love that. We can start with the small changes.

I love that. First of all, this has been amazing. I'm going to recommend that everybody read your book. I'm going to delve into the parenting book, even though my kids are I'm fully adults right now, giving me a lot of grief. But I've done... I won the lottery on the kid side because they've all turned out to be just incredible adults. They actually inspire me now. But I wind down all my podcasts by asking my guests the same question, so there's no right or wrong answer to this question, and that is, what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human?

I think it means to live the most vibrant, healthy, happy life that you can live.

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