Transcript of New Underwater UFO Sightings and the Non-Human Tech the Government Is Hiding | Rep. Tim Burchett

Thank you, congressman, for doing this. I never talk about- It's Tim. Thank you, Tim. Never talk about UFOs. We don't do shows on the UFOs, UAPs, whatever they're calling them, these mysterious lights, these objects, because I know for a dead certain fact that there is an ongoing, 70-year ongoing disinformation campaign by the US government to sow confusion. Some people participating in that effort, I don't think they know they're participating in the effort, but they are nevertheless selling lies in an effort to get people off the trail of what this really is. There is something going on. What is it? It's so hard to know. You're one of the few people, from my perspective, who seems sincere. You're also informed as a member of Congress. And so I'm I'm just grateful that you're doing this because I think you're going to be telling the truth. What are these things?

Well, I don't know. I think there's a lot of different misconceptions about them. I came into it organically, I guess. I had pretty cool parents. They would just take me to the library and just let me stay, or I'd ride my bike over and stay a couple of hours. I grew up the '70s in Tennessee. I guess now you'd probably taken to DCS or something for that. But I went in there and I can remember there was a stack of books on a thing, and they had all the... Something on maybe the occult or something like that, and then Bigfoot, and then there's something on UFOs. I picked up the UFO book, started reading about it, and it just fascinated me. I read the Bible. I'm a Christian. I'm not a very good one, obviously, but my chosen profession. But But the Bible talks about Ezekiel saw the wheel. People always say, Well, that was a dream. They always try to over explain things in the Bible, and I just think it's written for simple folks like me. I agree with that. It was a translation, though. At the time, the most technologically advanced item that they had was a wheel.

It describes a wheel within a wheel. It describes a landing gear and all these other things that we would today say are modern day flying saucers.

It's pretty specific, and it's a pretty the Ezequiel passage you're referring to. It's not just like a parenthetically note. It's like a whole description.

Oh, yeah. He goes to it, he describes, I think, the landing gear in some translations, it talks about it being hoofs of animal, like the hoof of an animal, which if you see, you see when we went to the moon, that there is the landing gear. It's got a pad. If we actually went to the moon. I know there's a lot of people there that don't believe it.

I'm arching my eyebrows, but we're refrained from comment.

I'm laying on my couch. Fast forward, I'm in Congress. I'm laying on my couch and I'm getting ready to go to sleep. I sleep in my office, shower in the gym. As my banker says, he called me one day and said, Brother, I'm pretty sure that you're the most honest member of Congress, but I know you're the poorest. So I do that. And so I was watching, there was a thing on UFOs, and they were talking about some former members were involved in some stuff, trying to find out something. And I thought, I'm going to start asking some questions. And then I'm walking down the street in the center of all media in Washington, DC, TMZ. His name is Colin. He's a good friend of mine. We've been to lunch and hang out some. But he stopped and I didn't know who he was. He said, Hey, I'm with TMZ. He said, What do you think about this UFO report that's getting ready to come out? I said, Brother, it'll look like it was shot with a shotgun because it'll be all redacted. Then And I said, And it won't come out when they say it's going to come out.

I said, Really? Why? I said, Well, probably because the original report is probably going to have something in it and they're going to pull it back. And sure enough, they did. And it was heavily redacted and it was just a big fluff piece. Nothing. And then I said the magic words, which I ended up putting on one of my T-shirts, which I sell on my website, that more people believe in UFOs than believe in Congress. And for good reason. And for great reason. And so people started calling me. All these national figures that you see, reporters, legitimate reporters like yourself, people from all over the country. So I started asking questions. And I get with Luna and some other folks. Matt Gates was involved in it at the time. We went to the chairman and said, Let's have a hearing. I think they really, Tucker, I think they just patted us on the head and said, Sure, we'll have the hearing, and they're going to make fun of you and go on. Turned out, I talked to some old timers that were there, reporters. They said that was the most attended hearing they'd ever had.

They had to open up another a room, and there were people lined up down the hall. When I walked out at... I see it was, I guess, in the morning, I walked out of office. I had to be on an early show about it. At 4: 30 in the morning, people were already lined up outside the building, and they come from all over the country. One guy came on his vacation, and there was ministers there, there's people. So it really touched a nerve.

Because you're hoping for disclosure.

That's exactly right. The truth. And they're tired of being told they're idiots. And the funny thing about it all is that when I go to speak to groups, it never fails that somebody of prominence, a doctor, a lawyer, a PR person will come up to me and say, Hey, I had a experience. I was sitting at a... I was helping I'm not a colleague. I rarely go out of town. This is unusual for me. This is a interesting deal for me up here. But I went to another congressman's district to help him run for re-election. We were sitting in a country club, and I'm not a country clubber type, as you can probably tell. Jackie Gleason said, I wouldn't join a country club. I'd have somebody like me, and I'm like that way. I sit next to this lady, and she was classy. You could tell she was old money. She wasn't new money. She had nice jewelry on, and she had the clothes you could tell were nice. She was just a classy lady. She said, Carson, about those UFOs? I thought, Well, here it comes. I'm going to get popped. She said, I had an experience when I was in college.

She said she talked about going to pick up her brother, and this thing followed them down for several minutes. It was cylindrical-shaped, and it followed them. I think it was close to dark, and it was lit up. It had, I think, a bluish tent to it or something, and it followed them. For quite some time. And then it just took off, and they were like, What in the world was that? And this was in the '70s. And she said, I really haven't really told many people that. And I get stories like that. When they film you, When I was early on in Congress, I had plenty of time, obviously. It'd been the 435th most powerful member of Congress. And these history channel, all these folks would come interview me, and they would do it. One time, they interviewed me for like an hour. So they would take segments of that and put that out for just multiple issues of their TV show, hunting UFOs or whatever. And I remember I was in Nashville at the time, and a former state legislator, a guy was in leadership, called me up. And I I remember, it was ironic that he was back in East Tennessee, and I was in Nashville for a get together.

I was throwing for our state legislators because when I was in legislature, nobody ever did anything for us from Congress. And I just get down there and him a spaghetti dinner or something. And the phone rang and it was him, and he said, Timbo. He said, I just saw you on TV on the UFO show. I said, Really? I thought, Here it comes. He's going to pop me. He said, Let me tell you a story about when I was in the Navy. And he was older. He was hollering back at his wife, What year was that? And she would holler. I think it was in the late '50s. And he was on a, I believe it's a 10 can, but that's a destroyer. You probably know more. But anyway, he was in the Navy and he said it was early on when they were first putting nuclear missiles on subs, they were unloading a missile for the sub. And he said the sub got out there, and then this thing just flew over the top of them. Remember when we said, Timbo, if that thing was two city blocks, it had to be two city blocks wide.

He said it was cylindrical and he named it and he described it. And then he said it just took off. No noise, no heat, no vapor, nothing. And they all just stood there and we're talking, and they're going, What the heck was that? And then they get back on shore. They go back to shore. And he said that the men in the So he said, I figured it was CIA or something. And they said, If you all don't, is this national security? If you ever talk about this, you'll be busting rocks for the rest of your life if you're lucky.

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Not one bit. No.

And the question is, why? Why would the US government have an interest in lying about something that's visible to millions of people around the world. So many people, as you just said, have had the experience of seeing them in person. Why would they have an interest in hurting those people, calling them crazy, through threatening them, et cetera. Tell us about your experience as you've pushed for more disclosure. What reaction have you received?

I think the arrogance from the federal government. There's a control thing that you see in every aspect of government. Everybody in power wants to keep you out of their little circle of power. Yeah, of course. I think the monetary concern is there. Could you imagine if they had something that could heat homes in the summer, in the winter, and cool them in the summer and had zero cost. I mean, it's something that it would put everybody out of business. The war pimps at the Pentagon would have to go out of business. We wouldn't have to be in wars all over the world, which if you get down to it, it's a battle. It's always a battle. And so you've got the greed factor, you got the power factor, and then you got just the arrogance. The Bible talks about professing themselves to be wives that became foolish. That's right. And there's nobody in Washington that doesn't think they're wise.

I wonder, though, for sure. So you think this is an effort to hide the existence of superior technology because it's a threat to existing industry?

I think that's part of it. But it's like this, we're motorcycle guys. Say I took a brand new Indian or Harley Davidson down back in time to the Mayflower or whatever. Exactly. And gave it to them. They would maybe shine it. They wouldn't know how to do anything. Of course, we don't have carburetors. They wouldn't know how to do anything with fuel injection. They probably couldn't ever make the fuel high enough octane where it kick it off. They maybe could get it started if they got lucky at some point. But that would be a rarity. I think that's if there is something that they don't know what it is. And I think, too, they have compartmentalized this stuff. So you think for you, I'm going to Freedom of Information. Everybody says, we just Freedom of Information at Birchick, go to Area 51. There's nothing at Area 51. They've moved it to Right Pad or something else since then. But the point is that everybody in government is looking down the barrel or looking in their little area. And to their knowledge, most of those people are telling the truth. And they send it off to these...

There's five or six corporations that it's been disclosed in hearings that we think probably has some of this technology, but it has been so compartmentalized. The people... There's nobody alive that was around in Roswell 47. That's right. And incidents that happen in Texas and others all over the world. And so they don't really know what they're looking at. They're looking at something, and they've associated it or given it to these corporations that have a quasi-governmental connection. But they're far enough apart where I can't go for you. I can't go for you, Ford. I mean, I could, but they're just going to tell me, go jump in the lake. I'm not going to tell you.

But I guess I'm stumbling over the most basic claim that they make, which is that all this information is classified. On what grounds could the federal government justify classifying reports of things that its servicemen have seen?

Every time it's national security, Tucker.

What does that mean?

I don't know. But you have a group of people that are so afraid of the industrial war machine that funds their campaigns. So you go to these You look at all the people that stop. When I have a disclosure bill, I just want to know. I'm not saying they're out there, but we're spending tens of millions. Every department, FBI, CIA, I'm pretty sure TVA doesn't, but they probably should. But there's probably every alphabet agency in the country has a wing that's investigating these things. Nasa. They are all doing it. They're all doing it. They'll admit that they're looking at something, but then you come to them, they say, They don't exist, but we need the money to do it. And now Now, the interesting thing is- And that's in the budget. Oh, yeah. And now the interesting thing is that they've seen that the opinion polls are showing that over half the people in the country believe something else is going on. Of course. And so now they're saying, Hey, we need money to study this. I mean, it's the cat going after its tail, really. And it's just a circular thing that they just after money, and they don't really care.

Of course. They don't That's for sure. But there is a process by which the Congress demands disclosure, and that process has been thwarted. I'm just interested in getting details on how that happened. So the UAP Disclosure Act of 2023, I think? Yeah. Required disclosure. That passed, right?

Allegedly. But again, who's going to enforce it?

But what did that... Do you remember what that act required?

I do not believe it passed. The one that I'm I'm thinking about did not pass in the Senate because remember, I had the bill. It was two pages long for disclosure. What did it say? And then it just said, If it dealt with UAPs, UFOs, it disclosed it. If a file contains it, America has the right to see it unredacted. And Chuck Schumers was several hundred pages long, and it was celebrated by everybody. And it set up a commission very similar to the Kennedy assassination, which here we are, 60 plus years later and still, they're telling us this single bullet, and you're a gunman, that they found on a girney that was basically unscratched an hour and a half after the assassination in the hospital at Lakeland. After going through two bodies. After two bodies and bone and everything else. And it doesn't just fit in.

But Schumer's solution was we needed a warrant commission to tell us the truth about your- To who can decide.

And that basically would just cover it up. I trust America. Why would Of course.

But why would Chuck Schumer do that? What's his motive? Do you have any idea?

I think his staffers drew up the bill. I think, honestly, in their mind, they probably thought it was the right thing. But here's my thing about staffers. Everybody wants to talk about the swamp, and I always go through this. A swamp is something pretty cool. God created a swamp. I grew up frog gigging and fishing around swamps. They're pretty cool. They attract animals for good reason. And so Washington DC is not a swamp. It is a sewer. It is a manmade creation. Now, figure this, you've got a staffer. And Republicans, we're supposed to be less government. I look at these, we get these pictures made every year, every couple of years. I don't know why. I've never seen the picture. I'm not going to hang it up in my dadgum office of your committee and all the people on the committee and then all the staffers behind I counted one time on ours. I think it was in one of my committees, close to 50 people. And I guess for the Democrats, we get 49 people. We're supposed to be less government. So you have a staffer, say that, and the committees are just too big.

And too many of these chairman, the biggest mistake they make is we're going to be different, we're going to be different. And what do they do? They keep on with every dead gum staffer. And the staffer is already plugged in with the lobbyists, with the K Street crowd. And they're the ones probably getting a little trip somewhere, maybe going out for a steak dinner, going out for drinks, and they're compromised. I can't tell you how many times I've seen a good bill become a study bill.

I completely agree, except in most cases, it's obvious why industry would want to subvert the legislation. They don't want the regulation, they don't want competition. There are a lot of different obvious reasons, and you see how the staffs are paid off. I get it. But UFOs, is there a UFO LO lobby? Who wants that? Who's paying for that?

And why? I think you've got major technology corporations, aeronautics, some of our missile defense people. For some reason, they do not want this released.

That's very weird because whatever is going on is clearly or would seem to be a threat to them. You don't control your airspace, which we don't. Why is that not a problem for Raytheon?

Look at the financial disclosure of the people that always fight me on these bills. That's what I would tell you to do.

And if we were to do that, I can think of one- You see the names of a couple of those corporations. So it's defense contractors, the bottom line is- I think I think what you're saying is the defense contractors, for some reason, we can only speculate, don't want this information disclosed.

That's correct.

Well, that's a very powerful lobby, of course.

It's one of the most powerful ones. That's why we're sending 600 $300 million to Ukraine and the national defense author, which I didn't vote for. I wanted to give our military more money, military fighting men more money, but I didn't want to give the war pimps any more reason to Ukraine or any of these other wars we're in.

No.

And the interesting about the $600 million, I was told by our leadership in a conference that the President had requested that. And then I talked to the White House, and guess what? The President had not requested that.

That's right.

Just $600 million, so, Barget. What's that? Were they going to do with that?

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A lot of people think that That these folks are the ones that have the material from whatever craft or whatever it is. That's what I've been told by people in government that are in the know. It's funny.

It was like- These companies have benefited from technology from whatever these things are.

Apparently, that's what they're telling me.

And inform people, not just people.

No, not just some guy on the street. It's funny. I've had the deep throat moment where Nixon was overth, and somebody comes up to me in the hallway, in a crowded hallway, somebody who I would consider a friend and said, Birchert, man, you really don't need to be doing this stuff, don't you? Man, you're kicking the hornets nest on this thing.

On the UFO stuff? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. I've had them try to use it against me in campaigns and things, but we don't ever raise enough money to matter anyway.

Use it against you in campaigns.

Yeah. The whisper campaign or they put it on the internet. Birchert, all he cares about is this. No, I just care about where's the tens of millions of dollars going? I have a right to know.

Also, this is the biggest story in human history, I would think. What is that?

Are we alone? Yeah.

Clearly not. And so you're satisfied, just to get to basics here quickly, you're satisfied that whatever we're seeing in the skies and have since at least the Second World War, since at least the development of nuclear weapons, since Hiroshima, whatever that is, is not foreign military.

No, because here it is. If it was Russian, I mean, honestly, Putin, with his ego, he would ride bear-chested down Pennsylvania Avenue, get out of UFO, wrestle a bear on the front porch of the White House and get back in. I mean, he wouldn't be bogged down in Ukraine. If it was China, they would own us. They clearly partially own us now. And if it's America, you wouldn't see standing on an aircraft carrier and a jet flies by and breaks a sound bear and everybody thinks that's the coolest thing in America. I mean, it would be something a lot cooler than that. And so I just don't think we have that technology or we're able to utilize it.

So in the course of your probing into this, no one has ever taken you aside and said, Hey, Birchard, back off a little bit. This is our stuff. We don't want to disclose it.

Pretty close to that. Pretty close to that.

But you don't believe You don't think this is our technology?

No, I do not. There's no way. No way it's our technology. I've talked to too many pilots. Why would we risk... I've talked to the best... I've I talk to the best pilots in the world that are ours, some of them, not all of them, that have told me. I remember I was at the Capitol Hill Club. It was just an unusual encounter. A guy had spoke to a group, and he followed me out and said, Tim, our congressman or whatever, he said, That thing was 14 feet. He went like this from my canopy. I thought to myself, Why didn't he say 15? Why didn't he say 20? But he said 14. And then he said, This thing, it wasn't ours. He said, I don't know what it was, but it wasn't ours. That's all I said. I had a very high-ranking member of the Navy describe some underwater experiences they'd had with something that was doing 200 miles. The best thing we got is probably He was doing 200 miles an hour underwater. Underwater. Big as a football field, and that's no fish.

So is it possible, given our current understanding of physics, for any manmade machine to go anywhere near 200 miles an hour underwater?

Not with our technology, no. The best we have is probably in the high 30s. And he was converting it. Of course, knots is what the Navy guys would do, but there's nothing.

If I fire a 30-aught 6 or any high caliber rifle underwater, it doesn't go 200 miles an hour. I can probably catch it in the length of a swimming pool or so.

Or it just falls down.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

This was described to me in areas, and I was quoted on. All I do is quote people that have knowledge. But this was one that he was talking about. There are five or six, I think, deepwater areas of the ocean. You've traveled a lot. I have not. There's not a lot of deepwater areas around around East Tennessee at Fort Loudoun Lake or anything. But you're talking miles deep. And of course, you've heard this before. We know more about the surface of the moon. We do the surface of the ocean. And he said, these are areas where we see a high propensity of these UFOs. And there was a case where it was fairly well-documented. They had multiple sightings. They were doing a maneuver and had the ships or boats, whatever you want to call them out there. I'm not a Navy guy. And And there was the sighting in the air. And the pilots radioed back and said, Hey, is there something going on? Is there another operation? We got some secret technology stuff we're working on. They said, We don't have any. And they, Pentagon, nobody Nobody knew about anything. And they pulled it back.

And then they pulled everything back, scrubbed the mission. And then the next day, all their Internet traffic had been scrubbed. But this guy was a wonk, and he had made copies of it. But The point I have there is, why would we risk multimillion dollar apparatus? Why would we put something in the air around our best pilots that could have a crash? Because these guys are talking about, there's actually, they've come close to collisions. Why would they do that? They would not do that. That would be stupid. I mean, there's even, I always say military intelligence, a lot like Congressional ethics. I don't think it really exists much anymore. I've noticed. But Anyway, I just don't think that we'd be risking that. So that's my proof that it's not ours.

So how many military personnel have you spoken to about their personal experiences with these things?

I'd say, I don't know, 8 or 9, 10, maybe. But I have to be real careful because I'm clearly somebody out there, and I'm not backing down on it. I'm not ashamed of it or anything.

You have no reason to be ashamed of it. No. Why would you be ashamed of it?

Well, that's what they try to do, is they try to shame people.

Are you hiding relevant secrets from the American public? I don't think you are.

No.

Why aren't they ashamed?

Well, I have to be careful about the white flags, the stuff people bring me that's not real.

That's why we're talking to you. Yeah.

Well, that's it.

I've had a lot of people come to me with stuff like that.

Yeah. And I've got these pictures, and I want to show you this. I've got this. I'm always afraid I'm going to end up in a refrigerator up in a freezer in North Carolina somewhere because I I'm not going up there and checking out some guy's fines he's got.

I think what you're saying is the disinformation campaign run by whomever.

That's real.

It's definitely real. I assume it's run by the US government or it's satellites and the defense contractors. But part of the way that they discredit people who are interested in finding out what this is, is by telling them false things.

And then-They tried to destroy their careers. They did that to one of our guys, one of the very first hearing we had, if you remember, some weekly newspaper reporter found out that one of the guys suffered from PTSD because of his military career. You know what? In Tennessee, we embrace that. My daddy put on a Pella in Okinawa, and to the day he died, I never woke him up over the top of him. I always woke him up by his big toe because he might have woke up on one of those dadgum islands and pinned me up against the wall. I believe. We celebrate our heroes. But Washington DC just destroys them. And to think that a weekly newspaper found out this guy's medical history, which is a total violation of the law, somebody should go to jail for it, but nobody did. They tried to destroy this guy. And that's what happens to people in Washington DC. That's what happens to our military heroes when they step out of line because of the sewer or deep state or whatever you want to call it. And that's why we need real whistleblower protection for them.

I I agree with that completely, which we don't have. No. And by the way, I know two whistleblowers who are living outside the country because they can't come to the United States.

Sure. And I'll have people, actually. I've had people call me. One last thing. I'm in a Longworth building. It's no secret. It's public record. But I've had people that will call me or send a message to me and want to come by, and they won't come in that building and ask me if I can come outside. I've had people call me and want to come to the house in East Tennessee because they don't want to to Washington, DC, and talk to me. There was a well-publicized television show that was on for a while that I didn't know they were coming. They said some people wanted to talk to me, and it was a trusted friend. I said, Sure, bring them up. Come on up to DC. I said, Well, they don't want to come to DC. And they drove from wherever to my house in East Tennessee on a Saturday afternoon. And then they put some stuff on a screen that was pretty compelling.

What was it?

It was aircraft flying at just crazy stuff that we can't do that would turn you or me into basically a catch-up package. It was not...

No human being could handle the G-force.

No, not at all. With the technology we have, the G-force would just have just torn apart. Was it unmanned or whatever? I don't know. But these guys, and One of them was a... They were scientists. Several of them were scientists. They came to see you. They came to see me. Because it's...

Wait, so what do you do with that information?

I try to I try to grasp it within my very small brain. What am I supposed to do with that? I ask God all the time, What do you want me to do with this stuff, Lord? Right now, I've just got to get enough disclosure. I've come to the realization that nothing is ever going to happen, Tucker, until we have somebody in the White House that says enough is enough and just discloses it. And I hope President Trump, I have discussions with him privately in other times that I've talked to his people. But at some point, there's several of us, Luna and myself and several others that are concerned about this issue, and we want some answers.

We've got none.

We've got none. Zero.

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I think that is the sewer. That is the industrial war complex. I think, and I stated that in the committee, I think part of the thing they do is they outrun the clock. They outrun the clock. We either stumble, one of us gets in trouble, or they get us in trouble, or they lose, or they move on to another object, another shiny object somewhere else. Americans want their pizzas in 30 minutes or less, and that's about Congress's attention span because we're always on one, and then it's the hot issue, and then the news cycle changes Two weeks later, we're on to something else.

So you guys are often, members of Congress are often briefed in skiffs. It's a secure location. Then they immediately go and call CNN and tell them everyone was at the skiff. But if a member of Congress receive, quote, classified information about UAPs, and then immediately held a press conference and said, Here's what I just heard and saw. And yes, I'm breaking the law, but like, tough shit. Why don't you do something about it? What would happen?

I don't know. They say they can imprison us, but I don't. They, that's what we're told at the beginning. We're not even supposed to discuss. Some people will tell you, you can't even tell them that you've been in a skiff, but the press is waiting for you as soon as you walk out.

Who says that?

Leadership of the Parties. Oh, yeah. Leadership, yeah. I've been in a skiff before where they'll say, Anything discussed in here, we remind you, is punishable by law. It's a felony. But the problem you get in there a lot of times is the arrogance and the lies that are told to us. They contradict. They'll contradict what another department has said. They'll say, This didn't happen. This doesn't exist. And another one will say, This is one we don't know about. We can't figure out. There's just no answer. It defies all of our reason.

So these are the briefers from various federal agencies that you're talking to.

They're generally arrogant. There's one kid with a man bun. I always remember him. He was very arrogant. And then I asked him about some specific instances. There's one where we had a nuclear facility, something Buzz did, and actual facility shut down. It was-Famously, yeah. It was documented.

In the Dakotas, I think.

Yeah. I can't remember exactly. I read so many of these things. I remember he said, We We have no data points on that. And I thought, and I said, Dude, it's in all... Google it. It's everywhere. And I just... I get very frustrated, Tucker. A lot of times I go to these classified briefings. Part of the reason you go to a classified briefing is to get information, which I'm sure that's where a lot of the stock trading goes on. But I think they bring you in and tell you stuff you already knew, so you can't even talk about it. I think it's a trap. That's why I don't go to a lot of the classified briefings, because, again, I can just pick it up on the street right after they walk around.

But the Congress funds the agencies that are briefing you.

That's correct.

So you could say to the man bun kid, Son, I pay your salary. So maybe you- It was during the Biden administration, so I was a little bit out of- Well, I mean, at this point, Republicans control the Congress.

So- Allegedly.

I don't understand. I'm honestly baffled as to why no- There's too many...

It crosses both lines. I think that money runs deep, and they contribute a lot to a lot of people.

So of the issues, and some are well known, I won't even bring them up here, but they're very well known, that have bipartisan consensus. Both parties agree on this issue. You would say UAPs are one of those?

I would say they are. I mean, AOC is in there. I mean, they're all in there. Does AOC show any interest in this topic? She does. I think she's concerned, like everybody else, where the tens of millions of dollars going? And I'm sure she could think about it.

What the hell are these things? That's an even deeper concern. The money is fake. We just make it.

Yeah, we just print it. What are they? We've had sworn testimony where they'll tell you, they'll say, I've seen beings. There's a movie coming out.

Hold on. The testimony says this is sworn testimony.

Sworn testimony. They've got their beings and there's saucers or some craft or something. But there's a movie coming out pretty soon. If it's ever allowed to come out, I was in it a little bit. And you have former members of the CIA. You have others that positively say they were there, and they identified these things. They diagnosed them, and they saw them, they saw the craft. And there's enough people out there saying it, but they're just so suppressed, and the media moves on so fast on something. I've been on so many of these interviews, and they're playing the theme from some crazy TV show or something before I come on, and they're just making a joke out of it. I get it. People want to laugh about it.

I don't get it at all.

Yeah. I get the fact- It seems like an absolutely- They just want to humiliate me.

It's a deadly serious topic, objectively speaking.

It's a national defense issue. It's everything. It's everything. I mean, it's not a national, it's a world defense issue.

It's a lot more serious than Black Lives Matter or any of the other nonsense that we've become obsessed with over the past generation. So, yeah, that tells you right there, that's part of an operation. You shouldn't design to discredit people who ask questions, right?

Yeah. And I've had military personnel call me and tell me that they've chased these things. They've been in the water. I had one guy tell me a story. He was an officer, and he was in the water fishing, I think it was on the East Coast, and this huge craft flew over them. And then these several jets were flying, trying to keep up with it. And he identified the jets because he was obviously an Air Force officer. And he said, Look, I just want you to continue on this thing. A lot of people have seen stuff. And he said, I have. And And he had a distinguished career, but it just continues on and on and on. And we get patted on the head and say, Okay, you can have another hearing. And then we do it. But until somebody in the White House says, disclose, or somebody walks out of one of these labs with something and shows it and puts it on YouTube before he's allowed to commit suicide, I think that's the only way we're going to get to the bottom of it because it will never... It's so deep. The layers of the onions or an onion is so deep.

You just keep peeling it off, and it's just a different person, a different story. You go over here. The naiveté of Congress You have members telling me, Well, let's go over here and we'll get a tour of where you think these things are. I was like, Dude, once we announced that, the U-Haw vans are already been there and gone. It's not that way. It's not going to work that way. Congress is not going to walk in there with all its magnificence and arrogance and find something.

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I just don't think it's profitable for them. I think it's too much money, and it goes too deep. You have a lot of soldiers. I was not literally soldiers, but people just follow orders. They said it's national security. They think it's national security.

It sounds like you have no confidence that this stuff is going to emerge.

No, I have zero confidence on this side. When I leave this Earth, I'll know then.

You will instantly.

Instantly. But I don't have any confidence in anybody in Washington currently. I have competence in Trump. I really do. I think if we can talk to him seriously about this for a short amount of time, I think he'll just tell him to jam it. We're going to do it.

Well, I mean, we had these sightings last year over New Jersey, over the whole mid-East Coast that the entire country saw, and they were on video, and we were going to find out what those were. And then it was like, No, it's totally full. We don't need to know what that. What was that?

I still think It was part of Chinese influence. I think when they flew the balloon over, it was '50s or '60s technology. They didn't have anything. They got enough spies on the ground in every university, in every think tank, in every national lab, whatever. They got them there. But they wanted to see what our response was. They saw our political response, which was zero, our military response, which was zero. In our press response. And the only thing was the people were outraged about it. Then they shot it down off the Coast of Myrtle Beach.

So you think the drones, the so-called drones over New Jersey last fall were a Chinese operation?

Something very similar. Somebody experimenting to see what our response would be. Because you could... You fly an airplane over the country and somebody's going to pick it up. But you fly a drone, make it a small nuke, it could have been a biological agent. And I think now they know they could do that, or at least under Biden, they could. They can't do it under Trump.

So if that was the Chinese who did that and the US government did nothing-I think they had contractors here that provided them with that.

That's That's my theory.

Any idea as to why the US government want to keep that secret?

No idea. Either than the current administration doesn't know because the people that knew are gone. I just think the past administration was smoking mirrors. I mean, Joe Biden, if you ever had any conversations with him, it was clearly very clueless, and it was very scary. If we'd have been in a position, whoever was calling his shots from the Obama administration scared me a lot. And of course, they were the puppet masters, I feel like, under Biden, and I felt like he and the people around him just ran amok. I mean, you saw with the- But why not?

I don't understand, and I'm trying to keep my growing rage under control. Why not tell- Well, I'm outraged. Why not tell the public something true once in a while? Why the constant lying? Because if you're constantly lying, then by definition, you're evil, and you don't want to think that of your government, especially people you like in government. But why can't the public know anything ever? Do you have any theories?

Tradition.

Tradition. Okay.

I just don't. The more and more I know about government, I've been in this gift before and I've walked out. I remember one time I called my wife and I said, Honey, go to the store and buy canned goods. We're completely wide open. She said, All right, sweetie.

What do we get for a trillion dollars a year to the US military? Do we get anything in return?

We got some enhanced stock portfolios And I'll give you a great example. When Joe Biden gave our military, excuse me, our missile defense system, I haven't voted for a penny for Ukraine. I'm proud of that. It's not my dad going to war. I'm not sending my 18-year-old daughter to a A country that most members of Congress couldn't find on a dadgum globe. And so we give them our missile defense system, and then we have to replenish ours, which we should. We can't be left naked without any of that defense. And guess what? Some of those contractors we described get a multi-billion with a B dollar no-bid contract. And who do you think has bought stock in that company? Members of Congress, two weeks prior to the President making that official notice. And you see it time and time again. Do you honestly believe members of Congress are making five and six? You've met some of these guys. They can't come in out of the rain, some of them. I'm guilty of that as well. But they're making five and six hundred %.

Yeah, a lot of really damaged- Return on their five and six hundred % return on their investment.

And war is great for business. It's great for the economy, but it's not good for... I don't think it's good for our soul.

Wouldn't... No. No, there's nothing worse. Killing people is not good. I know that's a controversial statement. But why is it impossible to ban stock trading for members of Congress?

It's a great idea. I have the bill to do it. And that's why we have a bipartisan group again, myself and, and I never get her name right. But Cortez and me and Chip Roy and a bunch of others, we've got a bill, but it's not going anywhere. Why? Because too many members of Congress, we were told by leadership that these guys can't afford to be here. You know what? If you can't afford to be in Congress and go get another dadgum job, more people have played professional baseball in the your legs in a Benny Nights. It shouldn't be an honor.

The idea is they should be allowed to do insider trading, which is a felony because they don't get paid enough.

Outside of Congress. All you got to do is disclose it. And then if you don't disclose it, it's a slap on the wrist. I make skateboards, and it's cheaper than a psychiatrist. I make them out of bamboo and banana fibers and crazy stuff.

And it's a great- You make skateboards out of bamboo?

I do.

A lot of congressmen do that?

No, I'd say it. One does. I'm pretty safe in betting that. I would say it's cheaper than a psychiatrist. It's good. And I gave one to Tulsi Gabbard, and it gets views. And I have people all over the country wanting to buy these things. So I'm a capitalist. I'm thinking, I'd like to sell a few skateboards. I go to the ethics people. I take my DC chief with me, and she's very smart. My Knoxville chief is a lady. They're both incredibly smart ladies. So I take the DC lady with me, and she's making notes. I got to get an attorney involved in this thing. I have to have a business plan. You want to do insider trading? Be a member of Congress. You want to sell skateboards? You better get you a dadgum lawyer. And that's what I'm having to do right now. I'm building a business plan.

Leadership actually said to you, we can't stop insider trading because they need the money.

Yeah, and both parties. I mean, it's one of those... You talk about one of those issues that both parties agree on, both parties leadership does, because they don't want to upset the apple cart. And America, that would be such a great thing to show America, Hey, we're going to try to do what's right for once.

Do they know how much America hates them?

No, every one of them. I always remember in my hometown, when they did away with insider trading. I mean, I'm sorry, not insider trading. They did away with term limits, excuse me. And they were interviewing some of the office holders. I remember one office holder said, I just don't know if this county is going to exist without us. I don't see how they can go ahead. I thought it was like, I checked my calendar. Is this April Foules? I thought it was a joke. I thought they were actually kidding. I mean, that is the arrogance.

How did the county do?

We're still there. Still there? Yeah. Great bond rate.

Wasn't consumed by fire.

No, no. Lord didn't come down and crush us like Sodom and Gamorra. But anyway, they've They continuously fought us. Now we've pushed them. Now, the head of the treasury says, You need to do it. Trump says to do it. And so Luna says, I'm bringing Birchert's bill to the floor. I'm going to do a discharge petition, and we're going to bring it to the floor and get enough members to sign on. I don't know if we can or not, but we're going to try. But here's the thing, Tucker. We'll pass a bill, if we do, if leadership shines on us, and we'll pass a bill, and then it'll be a tough bill. And then the Senate will pass this one a little tougher on something we can't agree on. And then we'll say, look at those guys in the Senate. They're 150 years old. They're so crooked. And they'll say, look at us. We're a bunch of creatons. We don't know what we're doing. And then it'll go away. And we tried. And that's just the game they're playing. That is a game they play with everything, either that or it's a study committee. So many bills, and I was talking about that with the staff, they'll get you to, Oh, don't do this bill.

Let's do a study bill and then come back next year with all this information. Tucker, have you ever seen that last scene in Riders of the Lost Ark, where they're going into that warehouse? It just goes on and on. I'm pretty sure that's where all the study committee bills go to after they pass them and you put in your local newspaper, Oh, look at this great bill, because it has the same title, but it doesn't do anything. And then next year, you don't pass anything. You don't come back with anything because you've already so-called passed your lame bill. And that warehouse is full of all those reports because I've never I've never, ever seen one of those reports after we pass those bills.

No, of course not. I just wonder, though, I mean, the details of this are interesting, but I think the broad outline is already known by the whole public, which is this is fake. And these people are in it for reasons that have nothing to do with the public interest. Everybody wants to rail on Pelosi.

If you go on the Unusual Whales website, she's not even in the top 10.

For insider trading?

Yeah. I think she's number 11.

Yeah, I know some of the people on that list.

I do, too. I know every dadgum one of them. And there's a list of 100. And my wife always checks it every year. She said, Honey, I said, I know, sweetie. My buddy Tommy salary manages my $12,000 portfolio. Everybody do like I do, put it in mutual. I pulled it out recently, just pulled it out so I could pay for my daughter's school, which is what I established it for in the first place. But When this airs, I'm going to make a lot of enemies, and here's what's going to happen. I'm going to tell you without a doubt. Maybe not since I'm going to tell you.

How can they be mad at you?

Pointing out the obvious. Somebody will come down and sit beside me, somebody in leadership or somebody I'm friends with in Congress and say, Hey, man, some of the guys are really upset with you on this. I said, Well, on what? And they said, On what you said on such and such. And I've said this before. I said, And this will be a chapter of my book, if I ever write it. And I said, But you know what's It's the truth, right? And they go, Oh, yeah, we know it's the truth. We just wish you wouldn't say it anymore. And I can't tell you how many times I've had that conversation.

But there's no shame. We've all done bad things.

12% of the population votes, Tucker. Listen, it's a game. People start needing to get their grandkids to educate them how to get on the computer and read these bills that we're passing. And look at the game we're playing with you all. These 3,000-page spending bills that fund whatever you need for your lab or or whatever. Then you read down and it's funding circumcisions in Madagascar. I mean, things like that, literally. Drag shows are- Or abortion. Or abortion, which is abhorrent. It's just a game. And America needs to start paying attention. Members of Congress, look, they always have any more people to vote, but as long as they're winning, that's what leadership is about in either party is staying in power. It's having the suburban It's being three deep with security. It's never standing in line at the movie theater or going to a ball game or a concert. It becomes self-preservation.

I remember when January sixth happened, and I was completely shocked by it.

I was the last house member to leave the floor on January sixth.

Good for you. And I was like, wow, I hate vandalism, whatever. Now I look back and I'm like, I understand exactly why they did that. I'm not mad about it at all. I think that Congress should have taken notice that people are really, really mad at Congress. Instead, they just ignored it and were like, no, everyone who did it is a Nazi and we need more security. Really, that's your takeaway? You need more security? Maybe you need to act in a way that people respect so the country doesn't hate you because you're supposed to be representing the country.

And the 100 plus federal agents that were intertwined.

The whole thing was fake, obviously. I don't even get into it. Yes, no, I spent a lot of time fighting about this at Fox News when people resigned when I said, I think this was like a setup. I can't work with a Nazi. It turned out to be true.

But Again, it's how many years later and nobody cares.

Nobody cares. So it's not... I'm sorry to make it about me. I didn't mean to do that. It's just I'm mad about the topic. But the point is- It's your show, brother. No, but it's about the Congress. And I think you need a legislative body, not against the Congress in theory. What I'm worried about, here's the point that I'm attempting to make in a long winded way, which is if you don't pay any attention at all to how people feel about you when your job is to represent those people, that system time can't continue. And you're going to get a January sixth, but for real at some point, if you keep acting this way.

It will be an armed situation.

Actually, actually. A lot of people will applaud it. I'm not rooting for that at all. I'm just saying that's going to happen. Do members of Congress Do they get this? Do they understand how hated they are? Do they care?

I think there's an arrogance associated with being in Congress. I think it's a complete arrogance. I always remember one time I was at a UT football game when I was in the legislature and a former member, they're all dead. Most of the people I serve with, a lot of them are, pulled up, parked illegally, got out of their car and come strutting across the parking lot. My buddy said, Who the heck is that? I said, He's a pretty big deal in Nashville. He said, Tell me in Nashville, he's in Knoxville. I always remembered that because that guy's a judge. He was telling me that, my best friend. But it was just a wake-up moment that I realized early on that everybody has got this fiefdom type mentality, and it's who can represent better than me? Nobody. I can tell you right now, there's probably 200,000 people in my district, that could probably do a better job than I am. I'm just hard-headed enough to stick my head out.

A lot of people don't want it because it's frustrating.

They see the security issues now, too.

Is there ever a moment in, like at lunch with your colleagues, where somebody says, Man, have you looked at the numbers? People really hate us. This is a problem.

I usually don't eat lunch with my colleagues. I have a few close friends in Congress.

During the course of the day at work in the US Congress, where you do work, does anyone ever note that we're more unpopular than Chlamedia, and that's not good?

No. Yeah, I'd say Chlamedia outranks us.

Yeah, definitely. Chlamedia has its defenders.

No one defense.

No.

No, but yeah, there's a bunch of us. We see what's going on. We just shake our head. But it's a lot of frustration, though, Tucker. We're in a minority. You look at spending bills and then look at the opinion polls on things like Ukraine, other things. Then you look at the board and you're wondering, Where are we at? What's going on? For guys like me, though, it gets incredibly tough because the big boys start calling and the bank account dries up pretty quick. It's hard to raise money. For somebody like me, it is incredibly tough to raise money. Most of my contributions are just hard work and God-fearing people. They'll send me $10 in a Bible verse, and I don't The billionaires usually are for me the day after the election.

Yeah, I noticed. And they're out in force against a couple of your colleagues who said things that are totally consistent with what the public wants. But the billionaires don't want it.

They don't want it, and they control a lot of the media. But fortunately now for the internet, we can... Yeah, bypass. People like you and I can bypass that.

Oh, I'm grateful every day. Can I ask, so you represent Eastern Tennessee, which is a much more conservative than, say, the Memphis area or even the next.

Actually, I did one point better than President Trump. But if he were here today, I'd say that was in fact an error and that you carried me over the finish line, Mr. President.

I think you would have to say that. Yes, for sure. But your threat is not in the general election. It's an R plus whatever.

Yeah, it's primary, but it's just- It's be a primary. Right. But they could jump big money in and the dark money. Okay.

So a member like you is vulnerable in the primary.

And someday I'd like to maybe if I had the opportunity to get to the US Senate, I wouldn't mind doing that. But that would be Katie bar the door. They'd pour the money in all over the country to beat me. Of course.

But you're even seeing with a couple of your colleagues are getting primaried by billionaires because they've said things that are true but not acceptable, I guess. Are you worried about being primaried?

Yeah, there's only two ways to run, scared, not opposed. I'm a product of the primary. The first race I won, I beat an income, but in a state house race, 99 house races that year, I was the only person to beat an income. And then I won with just two and three quarters percentage points ahead. I knocked on over 6,000 doors. I'd been run out of town, run out of business by the government, and it was a great lesson. But I did knocked on over 6,000 doors. And I think I raised around $8,000 or $9,000. I can't remember. And I thought, How am I going to spend all this dadgum money? Every morning I'd wake up. My mom and daddy, of course, were living then. I would throw up because I had this horrible taste of a peppermint in my mouth. The reason I had peppermint, because I licked all my stamps. That's back in the day, you had to lick stamps. I remember one morning I woke up and I was rolled up in them. I was in a cocoon of stamps. But I'd wake up every morning, I'd throw up, and mama would make me a turkey sandwich on white bread and give me a Sprite, and I'd get right back and knock on doors.

For breakfast. Yeah, that's all I could hold down. Then I'd get out knock on doors all day long. I lost over 20 pounds, got bit by a dog, took off my shirt, and I looked like a target. I just read on the rings and white in the belly. I learned, I wore out a pair of New Balance shoes, and the only shoes at the time that were made in America, so I'm big on that. We won and spent four years in the house. Then I just come off of a business deal. I had a mulch business. I had a composting business, and I'm a capitalist. But I can remember that scene in the godfather right before he dies, the original godfather, and he's spraying on the tomatoes and the little grand babies running around him. My daddy had one of those sprayers. I remember he grew these tomatoes, and at the time, I remember, I think he spent $20 on tomatoes and fertilizer. And we got three of these gnarly tomatoes. Of course, this is in the '70s, and we're family of public educators, so $20 is righteous bucks. I said, Daddy, I'd like to try that.

I want to try organic gardening. And he said, All right, you go ahead. And at the time, K-U-B used to come by the house and a chipper truck, and they'd pick up all your brush, throw them in the back of one of those big chippers, and they'd spit it in the back of the truck. And I said, What do you all do with that stuff? We take it to the landfill. I said, Really? How much they pay you for it? And they said, They don't. We pay them to take it. This was in 1978. I was in the eighth grade. The wheels started turning. I was like, Man, that's a business idea. I said, Dump that stuff here. So they dumped it, and I composted it, and I had a crazy incredible garden. Squash, beans, strawberries, tomatoes, of course. I fed the church, the neighborhood, everybody come by the house. Friends, enemies. I give them a sack of tomatoes. Well, fast forward. I went to college, six years of undergraduate studies at the University of Tennessee. I thoroughly enjoyed my college career, six years of studies. I didn't drink or smoke pot, and it still took me six years.

That's pretty good. Ended up agreeing to technological adult education. I was certified to teach shop, took a few art classes, and apparently I got an art certification, I think, on my certificate, I believe. But anyway, so I can weld and fix motors, and I can burn your house down if you need it wired. I can't do that very well. But all the other machine shop stuff, I can do that, or I could at the time. So I came up with this idea, taking all the city's yard waste, and I presented it to then the city mayor. I said, What are you all doing? And I said, We take it to the landfill. And they could They would pay me a reduced fee of what they take it to the landfill. I would grind it and then sell it. Well, we had a blizzard that year. So we did about... It seems like we did 30,000 tons that first year, and they paid me around It was under $20, but just say $20 a ton. So I was making $600,000. And this was in '91 or '92. I was been out of college for a little while, worked in the business world.

And I I literally, I would have been a million. I became very wealthy, but I had to grind it. So it cost me about a half a million dollars. I was still clearing $100,000, living at home with my family who's a public educator. $100,000 was pretty righteous bucks. But then I sold it. I sold it for, I think it was $20 a pickup truckload. I was selling between... I would sell 4,000 to 5,000 pickup truckloads a month. I was raking it in. It was all cash. I reported I had everything. I had accountants. I made sure I was crazy honest. I gave half of it away to churches and schools. Well, somebody decided they wanted that business when I think ended up happening. And they accused me of taking toxic ways. They said, There's bacteria in that newspaper articles. There's bacteria in his mulch. Well, human body contains a quarter pound of bacteria. I mean, it aids in digestion. If the Earth didn't have bacteria, it'd be a cube. I mean, we just press it. Nothing would... So smoking Rocky Mountains, there's not in these parks out here. There's nobody running around in a white suit collecting every leaf and putting it.

God had a plan, and bacteria is part of it. Well, of course, it had bacteria in it. And they would test it, and they did a faulty test. Finally, it just got ridiculous. The EPA even came in. And, broadly enough, the day after they closed my business, I got the EPA report, and it cleared me. It said, in fact, there is bacteria in there, but there's not abnormal amounts. There's nothing. And the head of UT's Microbiology Department, I'll never forget this, Tucker, he ate my mulch on the news to prove that this was just bogus. This is crazy. And the state would come in and shut me down. They get some report.

How was it? How was the mulch?

Delicious. Tastes a lot like chicken. I bet. Anyway, I ended up losing that business. I remember my dad told me, he said, put an American flag on top of that mulch pile. And I did. And he said, this thing's bigger than that. Daddy's a World War II veteran, nothing. He's calm under fire, man. Him and mama both were wonderful people. Mama flew an airplane during the Second World War, depression there. I didn't have electricity. She's a senior in high school. They were tough people, and they didn't like what they were doing to me. And apparently, the public didn't either, because I knocked on, I said, I knocked on over six 1,000 doors and beat a respected incumbent, I guess, in the primary. And I never looked back. I was in the State House for four years, State Senate for twelve years. And that's been my thing, even with the UFOs, my thing is when people come to me, because you can hire a lobbyist, you can hire a lawyer. But the average working guy, they call the front desk and they ask, Can I speak to Tim? Because they think they know me, because the government's ripped them off.

And I always remember during that time, it was when... Do you remember Travelgate under the Clinton administration? Yes. And it seems like, I think, Hillary and Bill, if I remember correctly, these people that were running the travel operation at the White House in Congress, they ran them out of business.

So they put their friends in there.

So they put their friends in there. And those people travel the country because I remember they had a half a million dollars or they had 300,000 in legal expenses. I had more than that in the most business. I mean, they were threatening a felony. They were going to throw me in the federal penitentiary over this thing because I wouldn't give up. And I remember the University of Tennessee, this liberal professor, gave his kids extra credit if they would come pick at me. And they came down there and they brought neighborhood The people down there, and they had misspelled words in their signs, and they parked their BMWs around the side, and they could come pick at me to look like they were just... And they all dressed down. It was the most pathetic thing. And I remember the person at the city that was really orchestrating it all against me was... I remember seeing them hug the reporter that was writing all the nasty articles about me. The whole thing was just... And I see Americans getting down the road. And I think that's why people like me appeal. There's not a lot of folks like me, obviously, in Congress, but folks like me appeal to people because they've been run over and they know they can call me and I'm not judgmental.

I just say, I don't care if they vote for me or not. I have people that are convicted felons. People have killed people before and I've helped them out because I don't care because I see the system. It ran over me, and I was just some white middle class kid from West Knoxville, and the system ran me over.

Well, speaking of someone, I've got two questions before I forget. One, have you ever been threatened since you've been in the US Congress with a primary challenge by your own party? Has anyone in your own party said, knock it off, we'll fund a challenger?

They flew, from what I understand, a couple of people were flown to DC. I know one apparently was, and I think the other one was. They either called me or called somebody else and said, no, no, no. Tim's a good man.

Why?

Because I rocked the boat.

In what way?

Question leadership. I don't. I call them out. I can remember one time- Was it the UAPs, do you think?

No.

They use that. They think they can use that against me. It's other things. It's much deeper than that. I can remember when I went in conference, we were at the Capitol Hill Club, and they meet over there legally so we can talk about fundraising. And then we were in the Capitol and have our conference meeting, talk strict politics. And I asked The head of the committee that was carrying the bill, I said, Ma'am, how much money is in this bill? And she said, I don't know. And I said, No, I mean, the bill that you're talking about right now, the one that we're getting ready to spend all this money on, how much is in it? And she said, I don't know. And leadership said, Man, what are you doing? What are you doing? I was like, What do you mean, what am I doing? I come from Tennessee. We run a balanced budget in Tennessee. It's a crazy concept. We have zero debt. That's why everybody's claiming-Leadership didn't want you to ask how much money- It just made everybody uncomfortable, I guess. I don't know. But it's things like that. I get it. I get it.

I ask questions. It's just part of the system. They beat you down, they beat you down, and then you see them, and then next thing, it's like in Coolhand Luke, where Paul Newman, he comes back, they beat him down and beat him down, and he becomes the warden's boy. But then, and really, I In reality, it was all in act, and he ends up stealing a truck and getting killed. But I don't plan on stealing a truck, and I don't plan on getting killed. I'm not suicidal.

Congress won't continue to exist if they keep acting like this.

I mean- This country will not continue to exist. If we don't get our financial ship in order, we will sink. We're 36 trillion in debt. Nobody cares. All they care about is getting to that next election. That's bottom line. Leadership, anybody else. These people are all my friends. I'm not making any friends during this show.

But the reformers, I notice people who have a different view or say things like you're saying. So Massey, above all. Marjorie Taylor-Green, you. I'm not saying you guys agree on everything. I don't think you do.

But we're all very close friends.

But you have a similar orientation, which is actually pro-america. Is this good for the country or is it not? And all three of you are either dismissed as crazy or really, really hated. In the case of Massey, it's like, he's the target of a very serious attack.

Oh, they'll drive his money up and spend millions against him.

Is he going to win, do you think? I don't know.

I don't have any idea. I haven't looked at the numbers. I don't pay much attention to polls except election night. If it's close, then I question those. Yeah.

You have ever reason to. You said earlier in our conversation that members of Congress were compromised. What did you mean by that?

Well, I was on... Can I name a rival of yours? I don't know if- I want you to name anything that comes to mind. I was on the Benny show, and it was early on. And Benny and I become friends. I didn't realize he was so close to Charlie, Charlie Kirk. But he had me on early on. And honestly, I didn't know who he was. And he asked me about that. And I said, well, here's the way it works. It's the way it's worked in the past. The Russians even have a name for it, the Honeypot. And I don't go on overseas trips much. I've been on one trip, and that was prior. I've been on one Codell that I went to the Mexican border, and I went down one day with Andy Biggs, who's a good Morman, who's hopefully maybe the governor of Arizona. But he said, Bertrand, we're going on this trip. I know you don't go on these things, but it's one like you'd like. We'll go down there and back. We'll stay in an awful motel. We'll eat some cheap Mexican food, some barbecue, and we'll put you on a plane back to Tennessee.

And I said, All right, Andy, I'll do it. But that's about it that I've done. And so what happens is you're overseas, you're being told how great you are, you're sitting at a bar, and they know what you're into, guys, gals, combination thereof, drugs, whatever. And they'll hook you up and you're thinking you're the stud, your wife's away, nobody will know, halfway around the world. You end up sleeping with somebody, and then you're out. Next day, you're flying back to America, you're back front row at the church, and then you're getting ready to make a key vote, and somebody comes up and whispers in your ear, Hey, man, are you in a motel room with a girl in Istanbul or something. He's like, Oh, crap. He goes, Man, we don't want that out. He goes, No, we're not going to put that out. He said, If you can help us on this little bill, though. Now, that's the way they used to do it. I'm not so certain they don't do that now. And it's funny when I did that show with Benny, the next... And, oh, I caught hell. I caught hell. So you said that?

I said that. And members said, Oh, you can't be saying that stuff, Birchert. Why? Truth hurts, I guess, for some people and other people.

Have you ever By the way, just parenthetically, ever been attacked for saying something false or only true things?

Only true things. It's funny. The next week, Tucker, there was this huge... And I said, It always gets covered up, and everything gets covered up, and then somebody owns you. That's compromised. That'll be the title of my book, If I ever write a book, Tim Birchert's Compromised Washington, because that's what happens, or it has happened in the past. The very next week, a Chinese prostitution ring was busted in where? Washington, DC. And it was listed in the paper. Who is their client list? High-ranking officials in government, elected officials, and lobbyist. Now, to me, that's all kinds of red flags going up all over the place. Well, and then the next week, the story disappeared.

Yeah.

Of course it did. But I I think what they do now, mostly, is they have jobs. If you look at these guys and gals, they have a wife and/or girlfriend that will work in one of these industries. $100,000 to a multibillion-dollar Corporation is nothing. It's an extra supply of paper clips or something. I think that's how they do it now. You have them in political offices, you have them in business offices, you have them all over.

You have what?

They're employed, and so they own your ass. They're employed by these people. I'm sorry.

Get my wife a job, get my girl a job.

Get them both a job and keep them separate. It's just Common. I hear about all the time. I hear about- Very common. They just talk, she works over at defense. She works over at Defense. She works over at Justice. She works for this case, or he does, or somebody does, or they work back in the district for such and such. I mean, it's just human nature.

People that members of Congress are sleeping with, either legally or not, are employed by forces that want to control members of Congress.

That's what they used to do. And now I'm pretty sure. I knew of instances where that happened when I was in the legislature, and now they do it through the employment agencies.

Through employment agencies.

I mean, they employ them is what I'm saying.

They employ them. Yeah. No. I I know a bunch of members of Congress. Right off the top of my head, I can think of with spouses in this or that- And they might be incredibly qualified, but the reality is America is not buying that.

Nobody should. But Again, 12% of the population votes. This is what you get.

I have noticed, just having spent my life in DC, that people's personal lives are getting weirder in the Congress. Have you noticed that? Without implicating anyone by name, I don't think I'm imagining this. It's not just sleeping with your scheduler. It's weirder than that now. Have you noticed that?

I try to stay in my office as much as possible.

Well, I just want to say for the record, I never heard of anybody participating in an orgy in Washington DC in my entire life, and I've heard a lot about it recently. So that is... I wasn't there. I'm not going there, but I think that's real.

I don't know if it is or isn't. I'd hope that it isn't, and I'd like to think that it isn't, but I've never been invited. When I was at the state legislature, we used to talk about that, how we knew some people were pretty shady. But they would never come to somebody like me and offer me anything because they knew my background. No.

And they know you're making skateboards in your garage, so you're busy.

In my barn.

He's in your barn. So one of the members of Congress who all of us were encouraged to think was weird and to hate, he was almost like a ritual sacrifice for the sins of the entire body, I felt, was this guy, George Santos. George Santos was not even a full-term congressman from New York who was a serial fabricator, made up all these amazing stories about his life. And he played on competitive volleyball. He worked at Goldman Sachs, and it was all fake. He was both Jewish and something else. I can't remember. Anyway, it was all made up. He wound up- We always say Jew-ish.

I heard Schumer say that. I was amused by the whole thing. Maybe I It was two. What a bad person I am. I just thought, who is Congress to stay in judgment?

Well, that's it. But I don't remember George Santos ever advocating for killing innocent people, which is very common.

George Santos had one of the most conservative voting records in Congress. Cross the board, conservative. I mean, sometimes I'd look up there and think, that gum, George, that's a little harsh for me. He'd vote against something that was- Right. And I'd say, it costs $5, Birchert. We're broke. And I go, All right, G, you're good. I'm good with it. Interesting. Yeah.

So George Santos went up in prison, and I spoke to someone this morning who's close to George Santos, who visited him in prison this weekend, and told me that he saw George Santos shackled in chains, and he's been in solitary since he got to prison. He did an interview.

He's doing time in a federal lockup, too.

In a federal lockup in solitary confinement.

24 hours a day. He's 24. He gets out, I think, one hour to maybe eat and take a bath.

What is What's going on? How did George Santos wind up in prison for seven years, and now he's in solitary?

What's P. D. E. Doing? Four, maybe.

Oh, I know actual criminals who were celebrated on the front page of the newspaper. I know a lot of them. So whatever. I don't want to lecture with the deep unfairness of life, but what is that?

I think it was a sacrificial lamb, and I think our party and everybody else just kicked him to the curb and said, Look how righteous we are. And I just don't... He'd always sit with me on center's row. That's what I call it. Every time somebody would get in trouble, they would or perceived to be in trouble because I'm not... I've said this before, and I'll say it publicly. George was under a heck of a lot of pressure. I call myself a Christian, and if I sat there and watched him kill himself over something and he went to hell, I'd have that on my soul, and I just don't want that. My chief staff called me one day and said, Hey, boss. I said, he goes, I know what you're going to say. I go, What is it? He said, Nobody wants to take George as their mentor. Would you be his mentor? I said, Sure. Sign him up. He just shook his head and said, Yeah, he'll do it. Then George and I just became fast friends. His office was catty-cornered of mine, and the press would be just lined up down the hall, and some kid would walk by close in stature down the other end, and I'd go, Hey, there's George Santos.

And they'd all run down there and chase him, and I'd have fun with that. And then George would come in the office, and I would talk to him about that. And I'd talk to him about my faith. And I just said, This is not reality, George. I'd say, promise me if you think you're going to take your life, you'd call me any time, night or day. He said, I will, Tim. Don't worry. And he never did. But he'd call me from time to time, and But how did he wind up in prison for so long? To me, I just don't understand that. We just turned our back on him.

The Republican Party leadership did.

Oh, absolutely. They don't want anywhere near it. We have to...

I guess they have- Like he's creepier than they are? Sorry. That's not true. Well, no. You don't have to say that. You work there. But they are way creepier than George Santos fact.

George is a very interesting guy, and yeah, he fabricated a lot of stuff, but he's literally doing more time than P. Diddy or what it Homes or whatever his name is.

In solitary confinement.

In solitary confinement. And generally, solitary is where they put the violent people, the people that have committed heinous crimes. And I hear people say, Good, good. I hope they lock him up for the rest of his life.

You heard someone say that about George Santos?

Oh, yeah. I heard it. Where? In Congress. I've heard him talk about it and how bad it made it look for us. I was like, For us? I said, Have you not read the papers? We do a pretty good job of making it look bad.

I don't think George Santos started the Ukraine War. No. I mean, what?

No, we just, I don't know. I think, again, we're a little big on ourselves sometimes.

He's clearly being punished. He clearly has powerful enemies. I'm not sure who they are, or maybe I don't understand the whole thing, but how this person called me this morning to say, Can you save George Santos? I mean, I said, I'm a podcaster. I can't save anybody. But I don't know. This is truly wrong what's happening to George Santos.

It is completely wrong. Yeah, he committed. I guess he took money he shouldn't have.

It was a campaign finance violation.

Yeah, a campaign finance violation. Correct.

Right. The whole category is- They stacked so much up against him.

I think the amount of time he was going to do was just incredible if he'd have stacked them on top of each other.

But then to torture him once he gets to prison.

I think if he lives through it all, he's going to have one heck of a story to tell.

You don't want to live in a country that does that to people. I don't think. So only Trump can save him. Is that where we are? Do you think?

I think so. They can commute. They did these reality TV show people that he didn't even know. We happen to know George. Give him community service, home lockup or whatever. But I just think it's a waste of taxpayers money, and it's a waste. It's It just doesn't seem right. I just don't. Unless everybody else is going to go to jail for a longer amount of time for the crimes they committed.

Well, I remember very well Bill Jefferson. I mean, I've just watched a lot of different scandals in the Congress, almost all Democrats, and the Democratic Party stood behind those people till sentencing. Oh, yeah.

The leadership. You remember they all walked out of Congress when Clinton was saying- I was there that day.

Yes, 1998. I'll never forget it. So The Republican leadership with Marjorie, Taylor Greene, with Massey now, and with Santos, just immediately, we've never heard of the guy, and we hope he dies in prison. What is that? Why can't the Republican Party have leadership that stands by its people and stands by its voters? Is that too much to ask?

I think we read our opinion polls too much and not ourselves.

Well, I mean, what's your sacred duty? It's to represent represent the people who elected you. That's the whole purpose of being there.

I always thought, too, our anger, if we had to be angry at anybody, it should have been the Democrats who did the opposition research on George. I mean, you could have googled and found out that stuff. You could have called the school and said, Hey, is he in school here? Or whatever.

The guy's like an epic bullshit artist. I get it. I'm not defending wine.

Is that a federal crime?

Well, you They just spent an hour telling me how they're lying about UFOs, which is a pretty serious thing to lie about. They're shutting down military bases because they don't control the airspace. That's correct. That's very serious. They're lying about the Kennedy assassination. They lied about September.

The funny thing about Kennedy, we had on our committee, Loon and Chairs, in this oversight subcommittee, and we had a doctor in there who was in the emergency room with Kennedy. He said there was clearly Basically, an entry wound, an exit wound, and an entry wound, and an exit wound, going the opposite direction. One bullet supposed to be that magic bullet did that.

Shot John Conley and the President simultaneously. Those files have not been fully released, as you know.

No, no. And they never will be. Why? They never will be. It's just power control. And the CIA or whoever would have to admit that they were wrong, they'd have to admit that they were wrong. The arrogance is just... I I think once you take the oath, you get an oath of arrogance that you got to protect us, our past, and we'll protect you thing in the future. I just think that carries on with them all for whatever reason.

Okay. But George Santos pretending to be a high-level volleyball player is the real crime.

That is the crime of the century.

He said he worked at Goldman Sachs. Kill him. Okay. Just to put deception in perspective here, because I think not all lies are the same. I agree. Okay, final question. Since you, more than any member of Congress, have thought about this, as candidly as you can answer, what do you think, based on what you've heard, UFOs are, actually?

I think, again, God created the heavens and the Earth. Every night I go out with my dogs, usually at four o'clock in the morning, they go to the bathroom and look at those stars, and I see the light from those stars. It's hard for very small brain to comprehend this, a light from those stars left there before the time of Christ. Some of those stars don't even exist that we're looking at today, which is hard for me to fathom, or as a good old voice, it's hard for me to fathom. But I think there's something else out there. I do not think we are the best that God can do. Now, is there something here that's proposed to me with these deep sea areas? I I don't know. Is something been here? But the way for me to comprehend anything traveling light years, it's just beyond belief. That is beyond belief. But now there's this quantum. I've been explaining quantum physics, and I really don't understand it, how something can be here and instantaneously be here almost simultaneously. That, to me, begs the question of how does that fit into all this? If something's here in these deep sea areas, has it been here for thousands of years?

That's the other question. That's what these folks in the Navy... I have to be real careful.

With the folks in the Navy, what?

That I've talked to about this undersea type.

And what have they said?

They said, We don't know what's down there. And they said, We think there's a reason that they're over these deep sea areas that we cannot get to.

Their belief is whatever these things are.

They've been here. Obviously, if they meant harm to us, we're doing a pretty good job of harming ourselves. Just look at our political structure. But the truth is that we just don't know, and I don't know. My thoughts are evolving on it, Tucker, to be honest with you, because I get to the point sometimes where I'm beat down. I think, Oh, this is crazy. There can't be. But how many of these people got to come forward to me that I know and respect, tell me what they've seen, and there's no explanation for it. I just think it's another one of those things I'm not going to know till I'm in heaven. I know that sounds weird.

It doesn't sound weird at all. It sounds entirely true. That's true for a lot of things, including understanding people's motivations, including your own motivations. We don't understand anything.

We don't. I mean, it's every... And science can't get out of its own way. Every time they find something new, it's like the coelacanth, for instance. It was a lobed fin fish caught off the Coast of Madagascar, I believe it was, and it's supposed to have been extinct 50 million years ago, but all of a sudden it's here. And then they, well, there was this... But they can't explain it. And again, go back to that Bible verse, those professing themselves to be wise became foolish. And I think it's... I was on a show the other day with a guy named Loeb. He's a UFO guy. I think he's at Harvard, I believe. Anyway, he was talking about how science, what he talks about science is that it's changing, but a lot of scientists, it's like, this is a brick wall. This is the way it is. It's not going to change. I think with the UFOs, that's the situation we're I just tell you, I've talked to too many people that have just sworn to me what they've seen, and some that I can't disclose. I would hope that eventually that those people are able to come forward.

Yeah.

And in general, people will start telling the truth. It's an act of liberation when you do. Congressman Tim Berchert, I appreciate you're coming on.

Thank you. Thank you, Tucker.

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