Transcript of #278 Ro Khanna - Why is Congress Afraid to Subpoena Every Name in the Epstein Files?

You ready to do this, Ro?

Back in the hot seat.

Dude, I can't believe you're back already.

I didn't think that we'd get this much out this fast. I came on your podcast, and then two weeks later, the Justice Department decides to release 50% of the files. So I figured maybe if I come back, they'll release the other 50%. Hopefully.

Wow. You're my fourth interview this week. I've dug in as much as I can. Thank you for coming. I'm not an expert on this stuff. I'm trying to figure out what's real, what's not real, and sift through this shit. I want to know, what do we do next? So thanks for coming, Ro. I really appreciate it. The last episode was awesome. I took a lot of heat for it. You probably did, too. But I think this is what needs to happen. We have to talk to each other.

I just want to say you're not a Communist just because you have me on. We can talk to each other, even if we don't agree. And we certainly can agree that pedophiles shouldn't be protected in America. That's right. The stuff has been worse than even I anticipated. I don't know what you thought.

I couldn't believe some of the shit that I was seeing in there. And we're going to go into as much of that as you want and as I want today. But I wanted I need to open it up with a quote. Let's see if you know who wrote this. Remember when we learned that our wealthiest and most powerful people were connected to a guy who ran a literal child sex trafficking ring? Then that guy died mysteriously in jail, and now we just don't talk about it. You know who wrote that?

Our vice President, JD Vance.

Jd Vance wrote that in September fourth, '21.

Back when he used to be a populist. I knew him back then. What What happened? I don't know. Look, I went to factory towns with JD Vance. He used to talk about why our jobs are going offshore, hollowing out of our factories. Tim Ryan, me and JD were across small town America, and I thought, okay, I disagree with this guy, but he's got the same values like stand up for ordinary Americans. And he sounded the alarm on the Epstein files as did Donald Trump. I mean, they made this a huge thing. And I tweeted at him yesterday. Sometimes we go back and forth, and I said, JD, you When you talk about being a man. You talk about, let's have not diminished masculinity in America. To me, being a man means standing up and respecting-Standing up for what you believe in no matter what the fucking consequences are.

That's what being a man is. Being a man is not keeping your fucking mouth shut because daddy's got a thumb on you. That's what this is. That's what's happening. It's fucking pissing me off, and it's pissing all of the American people off. It's fucking crazy.

He looks emasculated to Why can't he just get out there and say, Yeah, I'm going to stand up to these powerful men who are involved in the raping of American girls? Anyone who has a sister, anyone who has a daughter, anyone who has a wife should be offended. Being a man, in my view, means standing up for the respect and dignity of women not being abused and standing up to evil men. You went and fought wars against the bad guy. Guys. This is like, are you on the good guy side or the bad guy side? I still hope because I want what's right for survivors. I'm sure someone is going to show this to the vice president. I hope he remembers what he was like before he got into this position. All he's got to do is put out a statement, release all the files. Let's hold these people accountable and went to Epstein's Island. I don't know how hard it is.

Looks like maybe he's had a change of opinion, unfortunately. Before we get too much, too far into this, it was really cool to introduce, to get you and Schlepp to meet each other. We had a great episode with him yesterday all about what he's doing with Roblox and to be able to show you all of the stuff that's Not even all of the stuff, some of the stuff that's going on there, like the Epstein Island game or recreating all of the mass shooter events, Sandy Hook, Eudalvi. What were some of the other ones, Jeremy? There are Columbines in there. I was sick. At the grocery store in New York, 9/11.

I had no idea. Look, Schlepp's a courageous guy, and I'm glad you had him on. He's taken on some of this abuse that is going on on Roblox. I did a petition to support him because of that. But I had no idea just till five minutes ago that they have a game on Sandy Hook where you're the shooter and you kill your own mom like the Sandy Hook assassinated it, and then you go into the school and Can they show you blowing up kids in a bathroom? I mean, it is sick.

Not only that, the victim's names are over the characters, the kids that were killed.

The actual victims.

Yes. The kids that were killed. We have screenshots of this shit. They have the victim's names that were killed in some of these incidents is actual characters in the game that you shoot and kill.

That makes you so angry. It's certainly illegal legal.

This is safe for kids, though, bro, according to them.

You wonder why we've got a culture where you got school shootings. You're celebrating and teaching kids to celebrate school shootings where you can be the shooter and go kill these kids.

Not only that, you're building them a legacy that will live forever. It's almost like they're memorializing this shit. You know what I mean? You've built a legacy where kids can go and reenact this. Celebrate it. It's Little kids on this game.

Little kids. That whole thing needs to come down. Then Epstein Island, Schlepp was showing that to me. That's chilling. I mean, they've recreated the island where young girls were raped. You got kids going and roaming around on their video games on these islands. I mean, what are we thinking in this country? I don't know. I grew up, I played Little League. You go watch the Phillies or the Sixers. People played video games, but our video games weren't like-RBI, baseball, and donkey. Yeah, seriously, Madden. You don't go blow up young kids. There's something sick, right? The Epstein class, the Epstein I'll show how sick the elite are in our country. We could have a much longer conversation. But what we're doing with our kids is just going to replicate that and make it worse. It's disgusting. I hope people watch that episode with Schlapp, and I hope it triggers a serious reform on Roblox or the platform and in general of this video junk that's out there.

Oh, a lot of people are going to watch it. I did one with Ryan Montgomery, and they lost $6 billion in one week, starting on the day we released the episode.

On this stuff.

On this stuff. You can see the graph. It goes...

You have no fear of taking these powerful people on, huh?

I wouldn't say I have no fear. I I just think this is why I'm here, because nobody else is doing this shit.

No.

I shouldn't say nobody else is doing this shit. People that are in positions with very large audiences are not doing anything to protect kids, and I'm the only fucking one that has it.

Because they're afraid of getting sued. I know you face all that. They're afraid of having billionaires and powerful people turn on them, and it's not easy to take on these things.

I've never had a billionaire or a powerful person do a fucking thing for me in my life. I don't need them. I don't fucking need them. Anyways, Ro Khana, Representative for California 17th Congressional district in Silicon Valley, Cosponsor along with Rep Massey, the bill to fully release the Epstein files to the public. Huge drop of files on the DOJ website last week, so I want to dive in and see what all this means, why so many names were redacted, abuser names redacted. That's weird. Don't you think we'd want to know who's ordering hits and burying bodies and all this other shit? But as of today, Polymarket says there's only a 19% chance that anyone will be jailed over the Epstein disclosures. What do you think about that?

It's up from like three or 4%, so we're moving. But look, there are obviously people who need to be prosecuted and investigated. They haven't released the names of the co-conspirators still, even though they've released the indictments where we know that other people were involved. Every single person who is in those files who says, I went to Epstein's Island, or I went to this ranch in New Mexico, or I went to Epstein's home, and I know that there were young girls there at all of those places. Any one of those people need to be investigated. They need to be held in front of Congress, and they need to be held accountable, and they need to be asked, What did you see? What did you do? What did you know? Look, I've done a lot of fundraising. You don't have to go to some island to raise money from a rich guy. You don't have to go to some party where you know there are young girls being paraded around to raise money. You can have a coffee. You could have a dinner. So this idea that, Oh, we just all went there to raise money.

Come on.

I mean, you know What is really interesting is how fast the narrative is starting to change or this narrative they're trying to build. Like Todd Blanch, we saw on Fox News the other day, Todd Blanch said, in quotes, If any member of Congress wishes to review any portions of the responsive production in any unredacted form, they're welcome to make arrangements with the Department to do so, and we're happy to do that. Okay, here we go. Who is he sharing torture videos with? Who did he have killed? Who was talking about the foreign girls buried at his Zoro Ranch? That would be a great fucking start, Todd Blanch, who also said, It's not a crime to party with Epstein. I'm sorry. It is a fucking crime if you're fucking miners. What the hell is that? How could you even say that?

It's not a crime to party with Epstein. One of the most dumbest and most offensive of things I've heard. I mean, no one is talking about being a playboy. No one's talking about, Oh, you go to a party and there are women there and you're having affairs.

They're not at the Playboy mansion. Yeah, exactly. They're at an island with a bunch of miners as young as, I I think we saw nine years old.

There was one email said a nine-year-old Brazilian.

Nine-year-old Brazilian kid, girl, boy?

Yeah. And by the way, they've redacted the name of the person who sent that email.

Well, got to protect all the friends.

That's the thing. They didn't redact the survivors in certain cases. They had nude images of young girls that they released, but they've blacked out names of people who've sent Epstein an email saying, I enjoyed the nine-year-old Brazilian. I enjoyed your young girl who was naughty. I mean, it's sick. But the point is, this is not some Epstein party. These are people who are going there, and at the very least, they know there are parties where young girls are being paraded naked, 13-year-old, 14-year-old being paraded naked. They know that there are people who are raping and abusing girls on that island. They know that. They know that Epstein is on it. Anyone who thinks that it was just Epstein and Maxwell when there are 1,200 survivors, they're just total liars. I think Blanche should come here. I think he should sit down man to man with you. Go through it. I mean, if he has nothing to hide, fine. He wants members of Congress to go there. I'm going to go with Massey and Nancy Mace, and we're arranging it. Our teams are arranging it. But why not have a real interview? The media that gets three minutes, he does a bunch of his song and dance, and you don't get real answers.

Sit down for two hours.

Well, he's just going to sit here and lie to my face. We actually had an opportunity for him to be on the show, and I just fucking got ghosted. It should come up. Set up from within the administration.

If he doesn't want to come, Pam Bondi should come.

But they're all just going to fucking lie, bro.

They can't lie for two hours. They can't lie for two hours. Just sit here. They all wanted to come before the election. They all wanted to do the two hour, three hour podcast or have Vance come. Have some person come and explain why they've redacted what they've redacted.

These are also all the same people that told us all about the fake news for eight years and how they'll never go back on the fake news until you get elected. Then there's no more hour long, two hour, three hour, four hour conversation stations. It's two-second news hits on Fox News. They don't do podcasts anymore. Hey, let me get my daughter-in-law a job at Fox News, and I'll just fucking go on there and say, Fuck all the podcasts. Good job.

They're forgetting how they want.

Another lie. Another fucking lie. But I don't even know where to start with this stuff. But I do want to ask one thing. This isn't a right versus a left thing, and that's why you're here. I want to know, why did you vote no to hold the Clintons in contempt of Congress?

I voted yes on civil contempt. I voted no on criminal contempt. I voted no on criminal contempt because I said after the release of the files, they should come testify. They've agreed to testify. If they hadn't come and testified, I have voted yes, ultimately on criminal contempt. But the vote then was yes on civil contempt, no on criminal contempt. And they are testifying on February 26th.

What is the difference? Can you just explain the difference for the audience?

Criminal contempt means you can go to jail. Civil contempt means that you could be fined. You don't go to jail. It's a fine. It's a violation of Congress. But the point is, I just thought it was premature when Comer was already negotiating. And what What I said is after the files get released, they should come. This was before the files were released. As soon as the files were released, they're come. I mean, it's 50% of the files, but it's enough. If they hadn't come before Congress, which they're now coming, I would have voted for criminal contempt. I said that at the time. People could criticize, why didn't you vote for criminal contempt then? But the negotiation hadn't happened. You got to give someone a chance to come in and testify before Congress.

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I mean, there are more pics with Epstein online than there are of me and my wife. There's a lot of pictures of those two together.

Of who? Clinton? Oh, yeah. He owes an explanation. I mean, he owes an explanation about how many times he saw him. Did he go to the island? Was he at any of the parties? The other thing is, does he know other people who were raping these underage girls? Does he know what Epstein's role was? Because there are pictures of Epstein at the CIA headquarters. I've never been to the CIA headquarters.

It's not that impressive.

You have been there. I've been on armed services 10 years. Seen your person of the armed services committee, see your person in the China Select Committee. I've not met William Burns. He was the head of our CIA, and you got Epstein meeting him. So I wanted I know from President Clinton, who is this guy? How is it that he is corresponding with Modi or people like Modi? How is it that he has this relationship with Barack? How is it that he is at the CIA headquarters? How is it that Gordon Brown's government is tipping him off, Mendelsohn is tipping him off that the UK is going to buy the Euro currency, and then Epstein is trading on it? Someone knows why this guy is networked in the way he's networked. And those are questions that we should ask President Clinton.

What are some of the things in the files that just you found? What are some of the big surprises that you saw?

How many people are involved? Yeah.

We've got Jay Zee, Bill Gates, Reid Hoffman, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Bill Clinton, Serge Brian.

It's just like, everybody's in there. It's just like, every district is a prominent people in Silicon Valley. People who think I was political about this, these are people who support Democrats, many of them. Some of them are the biggest donors to Democrats. There are more arguably people on the left who have fallen than right now on the right. The head of Paul Weiss, big Democrat, he just resigned. You've got all of these names. And what I have said is, I don't care where the Every single person you mentioned, if they are in the fouls, which many of them are, they need to be hauled in front of Congress. They need to be investigated, and they need to be asked questions. Did you go on the island? Why did you go? Under oath, by the way, what did you see? Who raped these underage girls? Were you ever at a party where there were underage girls? Were you ever at a party where underage girls were being paraded naked? And not just if you were on the island, if you were at his home, if you were on his ranch. And look, there may be people who are innocent I sent.

I'm not saying there's due process in this country. But how do you not investigate it? How do you not sit them down under oath and ask them questions? Even Melinda Gates, Bill Gates's ex, is saying she's got to answer questions. Did you see that?

Yeah. Did you see that email chain? I did. He was asking for some secret antibiotics to slip his wife because he gave her an STD or thought he gave her an STD and didn't want to...

Yeah, and then his explanation. Holy Shit. His explanation is, Oh, Epstein didn't send that email. He just drafted it to himself and actually didn't hit send. Well, I want to see if Bill Gates would say that under oath. I want to see if he would say that actually if there's an investigation. What these guys do is they find a convenient journalist to ask them a softball question. They do a two-minute hit, and then they're hoping, Okay, we're done. We're going to go in hiding for two years, and people will forget. We've got so much money, and we fund so many universities and nonprofits, they're going to still want our money, and then we'll rehabilitate ourselves.

Do you think that somebody that rapes kids, does being under oath mean anything to them? Because I don't. I don't think it means a damn thing.

Well, here's the problem for people. I just want to be clear. We don't know which one of these people actually raped kids or were on islands where young girls were being paraded naked or knew that kids were being raped. There are a lot of people who knew that either Epstein or others were being raped and were still showing up on this island.

People have been calling this shit out. I mean, Nicki Minaj. Was it Nicki Minaj just came out and said she knew about this shit? Lots of people have been talking about this stuff, but they were always labeled conspiracy theorists. The guy that cuts your previews probably knows more about this stuff than anybody I've ever talked to on the planet.

I thought he was fucking crazy. Massey and I thought we were told we were Conspiracy Theorists. We were going to kill our reputations. We were pursuing a hulks. Now it turns out the most powerful people in this country and around the world were implicated. But here's why it matters if you have them under oath, because if you get enough of them and they're making statements, then there may be contradictions. Then if someone says, Oh, yeah, I saw Gates on the island, and Gates says, No, I wasn't there, they're contradictions. As it is, there are people who are conveniently remembering that they met Epstein more than they claimed, right? And they're trying to correct the record. Lutnik and others are correcting the record. Why? Because there's emails that have come out. There are other people who are testifying. So if you get 100 of these people under oath, you're going to find the contradictions. You're going to find out who's lying. So I'm not counting on their own conscience coming clean. I'm counting on the fact that there needs to be an investigation. There's been no investigation. It's not just that they haven't released a file, there's no investigation.

And I don't know, what does it say about our country?

It says there's a It's exactly what we talked about last time. There is a two-tier justice system, and the elites and political elites do not fall under the same justice department that the rest of us do.

There are two Americas. There are two tiers of justice. If you're rich, if you're powerful, if you fund universities and nonprofits, you can do the most heinest things. You can show up to an island where young girls are being raped and have no consequence.

I mean, so many people are involved It's almost like it's a requirement to do that, to get to the places that they are. That's how many fucking names are of powerful elites are in those damn files.

I was in a call yesterday, and someone said basically a version of that. They said, You don't understand, Raul, you had to be part of this Epstein Network to be in the club. And he said, I didn't go, but I was tempted to go because everyone in my peer group was going. And if you weren't part of this club, then you part of elite society. You have basically a peer pressure to go to an island where people know that this guy has been a convicted pedophile because they went after he was convicted, and they know that young girls are being raped. It's the elite in Hollywood, the elite in finance, the elite in Silicon Valley, the elite in politics. You talk to the survivors and they say, We were told you can't call the police. You can't call the FBI because they know too many powerful people. You've got an America where you got two systems of justice, and people resent that. People like you go and fight for the country's values. You risk your life. And yet these elite folks are basically saying, Yeah, we can go to an island where young girls are being raped and no one can touch us.

And they never thought anything that would come out. And we can make lude jokes about it and laugh about it and fly to Davos, and life goes on. That's how they were living. And at the same time, people have the same thing on the economy in this country. Like, okay, all the power is in the hands of this few folks, and I'm struggling to make ends meet for my family. It's the same sense of a rigged America That has led to the anger that we see.

What do you think is going to happen now?

It depends. I mean, it depends if people like you are going to continue to bang the drum. That's one of the reasons I'm here. I'll tell you what these elite guys want to have happen. They want to do a mea-culpa. Have you seen their statements? I regret that I spent too much time with Epstein. I regret the judgment I showed to take a meeting with Epstein. I regret that I took his money. Not like I am ashamed and appalled that Epstein was raping young girls, and there were other people part of my network that were raping young girls. Let me just confess it, what happened and who did this. It's like this lawyerly the statement. Here's what their game plan is. Their game plan is, let's put these things out. Let's hope Massey and Kana go away. Let them bang the drum for a few more months. Let this all fade. Then two years later, We're going to come back. We got too much money. They're going to want our money. They're going to want our scholarships, and we're going to be rehabilitated in society. That's their game plan. The question for the country is, are we going to let them get away with it, or are we finally going to hold people accountable?

In Britain, they're holding people accountable.

What are they doing over there?

Well, Starmer's government. Andrew's gone. Andrew's gone.

At least- Prince.

The Prince. He's gone. I think there's got to be more to Andrew than just, Okay, now you're not a Prince. But at least he's not a Prince, but he's probably got to have criminal investigation from the stuff I've seen. I think there has to actually be an investigation into what he did. But at least they've stripped him off his titles. Then they've got Mendelsohn, who's resigned just today or yesterday, resigned. There's some consequence. Starmer, the Prime Minister, his government may fall. He's lost confidence. By the way, he's on the left. This is a guy, and I said, Good, there's accountability. This isn't left or right. The guy's on the left.

I don't even fucking see left or right anymore. I just see good and evil, and that is it. I don't see any of this other shit. I think it's all... I think Jeremy told me a A long time ago, politics is WWF wrestling. I truly believe that. I can see it. It's disgusting. It's disgusting.

Yeah. No, they're good guys in there.

You're saying the American people can't let this go. We have to hold them. How do we hold them accountable? I mean, you're doing your part, I'm doing my part, but we're up against a huge system that's coming unglued. The country is in fucking shambles. It just continues to go... I mean, people talk about revolution, civil war, all this shit. It's already happening. I mean, look at Minnesota. It's a fucking war zone up there. It is. It's a fucking war zone up there. I mean, places down on the border, it's fucking war zone down our cities, which we were talking about last time. We're pretty damn close, and we might be in the middle of it already.

We got to turn it around.

That's what I'm saying. We got to turn it around, but how? You can't turn it around with a fucking two-tier justice system. I agree with that. You cannot turn it around when we have all these elites, powerful tech people, powerful Hollywood people, powerful politicians just raping kids and getting away with it. It's right out in the open, right in front of everybody. They're just walking around.

That's disgusting. I see your anger. I feel it for people not here. It makes me want to look into fucking dual citizenship.

It's that bad. It's that fucking bad.

You wore the uniform.

I wore the uniform, and I don't even believe in the fucking wars I fought for because I think those were a lie. I know damn well Iraq was a fucking lie. That was a ploy to get KPR into fucking Iraq because Dick Cheney.

I agree with you. That's what that shit was. I started my career.

I spent a long time there. Every fucking logistics piece in the country was KBR, Halliburton, KBR, Halliburton, everything. Food, the shiters, the gasoline, every piece of logistics there was KBR. Did we find WMDs? Fuck, no. That war was bullshit, and everybody fucking knows it.

In 2003, I ran against the Iraq War, against a Democrat in my own party. I got crushed, '71 to '19. But I was against the war back in 2003. And the reality is that we've never held people accountable in this country. Where was the accountability for the people who lied us into war in Iraq, which led to thousands of Americans dying. Where was the accountability for Abu Ghraib and the people who committed torture in Iraq? Where was the accountability for the bankers who crashed the entire economy after the Great Recession in Wall Street? No accountability. Where is the accountability in this country? Now people are saying, Okay, you got these elite who are raping young girls or showing up while young girls are being raped and not saying anything, and we just want to move on. Hell, no. I mean, we will not restore democratic trust in this country if we don't have accountability for some of these people who committed these crimes. That's the reality. I don't care. I want a democratic project that that has health care for everyone, child care. You can't get there unless you first say, We're going to hold these people accountable.

They're going to face justice, and we're going to try to restore trust that there's one tier of justice in America.

So So seriously, though, how do we do this? If it goes picture perfect, which it's not, but in your mind, what is the path to success? Who brings Who puts these people in? Who presses charges on them? Is it the FBI? Do all the files need to be released? Do the names need to be redacted? How do we start charging people?

What's the process? I think there are three buckets. First, let's start the investigation with just the files that have been released. There's a lot that still needs to be released that was protected and redacted, but there are enough names in there that can be investigated. The FBI, the DOJ, should start to interview under oath every single person who is in correspondence about going to the ranch or the home where there were parties with underage girls or the island. Congress, simultaneously, should start a committee, a subcommittee under the oversight, and announce hearings. I don't know why He doesn't do that. I mean, Komher is all into holding accountability. Fine. He wants to do the deposition with the Clintons. Fine. Have Trump. Fine. But what about the hundreds of other people? Why aren't we holding them in this year in Congress under Komher? I'll vote I will vote for every subpoena. Nancy May said subpoena Gates. I said, yes. I will vote for every single subpoena, and I'll get Democrats to do it as well for anyone who's in those files, Democratic donor, Republican donor, Ironcare. I'll vote for a subpoena, bring them in, and start to ask them under oath.

Congress can do that, even if the DOJ and FBI doesn't move. That's the first step. Second step is we have a meeting with Blanche, Mace, Macy, Raskin, and the judiciary. I have Comer in there, too. Let's start to We figure out how we get the unredacted versions that are not going to protect abusers. You want to protect young girls? Of course. Don't have the nude pictures, don't have the survivors exposed. But give me a break. When you have an abuser sending Epstein an email about what they did with some young girl, and you have the name of the abuser blacked out, come on. We need to get that information out as a second thing and push on the files. Then the third thing is simply the public shaming and the public accountability. These people are still, not just are they walking the streets, they're still giving speeches. They're still on corporate boards, they're still having their gifts accepted by nonprofits and universities. They still have buildings named after them. When are we going to have more accountability, at least with Paul Weiss, where Brad Karp resigned? When are we going to have some of these people out of the positions of influence and honor that they're currently in?

That doesn't require Trump's Justice Department. That doesn't require Congress. That requires all of us as Americans. I guess the question is, are we going to be so blinded by their money, so blinded by what they can do for our universities, our nonprofits, our civil society, that we say, I'll just let them have a pass, or are we actually going to hold them accountable? It's easy to hold Larry Summer's accountable because he doesn't have a lot of money and he's a professor, okay, he's being held accountable. Or Brad Karp, he's a lawyer, fine, he's being held accountable. But when you've got billions, when you're one of these people who has a lot of money, then it's a choice. Like, okay, money or young girls? Where are we going to stand?

Did you watch that interview with Epstein and Banon by chance?

I watched some of it.

What did you think of that?

I I don't know why Banan was doing that. Like, what the hell? To resuscitate and revive his reputation?

Did you see when he asked him if he thought he was the devil?

I saw that clip.

Is that fucking crazy?

It was like laughing about it, right? That's the emails. It's like they're laughing about his evilness, not just Banan, but like other powerful people. Ha, ha, ha. You're abusing young girls. How many people wrote, Bring the young girls, bring your harem with you. Oh, yeah, we know this is evil things. It's like they're celebrating his sickness.

They are celebrating his sickness. They're all part of this stuff. What do you think about... Has your opinion changed on where Epstein's from, who he's working with since our last interview? You asked me what I thought. I told you, I think he's a Mossad agent for Israel.

I genuinely don't know the answer to that specific question. But what I will say is this, why is he at the CIA? Why is he meeting Will Burns? Why is he talking to Mendelsohn at the highest levels of the British government who was working for Gordon Brown? Why is he talking about Modi, the Prime Minister of India, and going to Israel? Why is he talking about Palantir and Palantir's investments in our national security? Why is he affiliating with Barack so much that just today, Prime Minister Netanyahu is making a statement explaining- What did he say?

What did Netanyahu say today?

Netanyahu said that Barack was trying to undermine the Israeli government, and that's why he was meeting with Jeffrey F. I mean, that was- Right. How do you have one person? I guess this is what I want to really- Did he say that there?

Did he come to the White House to say that? Netanyahu? He went to the White House quite a few times. It's weird how much he's at the White House.

Yeah, I don't understand why any Any leader should be at the White House that much. When the United States should be driving our foreign policy with our interests. But the point is, and I've been very outspoken that my view, I don't know yours, is that What Israel did in Gaza was a genocide. I do not believe that we should have been-100% with you, Ro.

100% with you. It's fucking disgusting. How many kids got killed?

There's thousands.

20,000 kids. 20,000 1,000 kids.

And you're in my tax dollars. Went for that. I voted no. I was one of 37 Democrats who voted no on the 14 billion.

That's why we don't want to raise taxes, Ro. Can't be killing fucking kids. Can't be sending political elites to rape kids. Sorry, I'm getting fucking pissed.

But the question that has to be asked is, why is this guy, Epstein, why does he have so much access to the most powerful people in the world? He's operating at a level of power certainly beyond anyone in Congress, certainly beyond any senator. I mean, he's operating literally at a level of power of a head of state. Over the president.

It's insane. It's insane. In that interview, he's talking about when the financial, the 2008 collapse happened. He's got, who did he have on the phone? He had in jail, he's got, I think he said, like Bear Stearns in one hand and J. P. Morgan on the other, literally talking to them at the same time about what's going on. Why the fuck are the leaders of those financial institutions calling an inmate in prison to figure out what the hell is going on?

A pedophile.

A a file that they were all hanging out with.

Then Gordon Brown's Mendelsohn, his aide, is giving Epstein tips before UKX that they're going to bail out the Euro. And Epstein is engaged in trading on that information. I mean, it's mind boggling that this guy had this power. And your point about how did he accumulate that power is, in my view, the central question. There are two big questions. One, how do we have an elite that basically thinks it's okay to show up to an island where young girls are being raped? And how is it possible that everyone in all our society, from finance to arts to Hollywood, to tech, to real estate is caught up in this mess. It's disgusting. But then the second issue is, who is this guy Epstein? How does he have this access? That's not conspiratorial. Now we have the- You know how we install strawmen in foreign countries to control it? Yeah, we have.

That's how this happens, bro. That's how this happens.

What do you mean by that?

He was installed.

In the US? I mean, look, I think we need to ask all the questions. I try to stick to what I know, but these files have made me question.

Just give me your stuff to think about.

Yeah, I mean, these files have made me question why he has this access to these many foreign leaders, why he has this access to our CIA, why he's involved in some of the most critical critical investments in companies like Palantir or others that are now so enshrined in our national security? Why is he so connected to some of the enormous tech leaders? Why is he connected to the most powerful people in finance and real estate? You can't just someone's like, Oh, he just collects rich in people and elites. No, this is not just a socialite. A socialite doesn't get to go speak to heads of state and get to talk to every billionaire and get to talk to the most powerful people and direct that attention. That's an unanswered question. That should be the investigation. There should probably be a commission. The President, next president or this president, should appoint a commission to understand who Jeffrey Epstein was and what his motives were and why he was operating. That's a national security question.

I think this is the biggest concern of national security that we have right now.

It's a concern certainly in terms of us being compromised. If you believe, as I do, as a top Democrat on the China Committee, that China is our competition and that we need to win and that we need to be ahead of them on technology, We need to be ahead of them on AI. We need to be ahead of them when it comes to the economy. If we're compromised from the inside, and if it's possible to compromise us from the inside, then that's a real problem. If you have an elite that can be seen as going to an island that's so immature, reckless, self-entitled, arrogant, that they can go to an island where young girls are being raped, then you wonder, what does that say about our ability to have the seriousness of moral purpose to compete with China? They've got a worse system. They've got a communist system, an authoritarian system. But their leaders, from what I know, weren't showing up to Epstein's Island. This is a question of what leadership are we producing to make sure America stays the great nation in the world? People were never perfect. Like FDR had affairs, Kennedy had affairs.

But it's the pettiness, the immaturity, the total depravity of doing it with raping young girls, and the frivolousness of it that really is a mirror on America's place, more a place in the world at this moment.

What's the pulse in Congress? Disgusting Disgust?

Genuine disgust. Shock. Both sides? Both sides. Anybody for it?

Anybody for what's happening?

Honestly, because I'm trying to be- What do you mean for protecting pedophiles?

Is there anybody in Congress that is voting against releasing this shit, or that's totally against it, that wants to protect pedophiles? Let's get their names out.

There was one guy who voted against Mancy and My Bill, but I think in fairness, he just thought that it should have been done in a different way. I I don't think he was actually for protecting pedophiles in honesty. I think the reality is that most of the people in Congress have been pretty shaken by the release. Most of them are pretty disgusted by what took place. And the question is, are they going to have the guts to go after these people? What are the barriers? Well, you're going after donors. You're going after donors to both parties. You're going after Democratic donors, and you're going after Republican donors. These are people who give A lot of money. It's not convenient to go after them. Secondly, you got Trump saying, move on- Hold on.

I would like to add something to that. If anybody is against that because of going to their donors, they do not have what's best for the country in their heart. They have what's best for them, and that is it. That's all they fucking care about is staying in Congress, staying in the Senate, staying wherever they're at. It's not for the country, it's for themselves. If that's what's fucking happening, every one of these son of a bitches need to be fucking voted out because they're in it for themselves. Don't talk about your donors.

It's the donors. It's their concern for themselves and their party. And they don't vote. They just stay quiet or don't rock the boat. That's the secret in Washington. It's not that you cast bad votes. It's that you block stuff from even coming for a vote. So no one knows. No one knows that you're the one protecting these people. But why isn't every single person on the oversight committee doing what Nancy Mace said, which is telling Comer, look, go start hearings on this. Sapina everyone. Comer, you could be a national hero. You could take what Massey and I did with the release of the files, and you could say, I'm going to haul starting tomorrow Bill Gates in front of this committee, and we're going to have hearings. Not just the Clintons. Fine. We'll have everyone.

A lot of people could take the hero card right now. Yeah. Not JD Vance.

Vance could do it.

It'd be great if he came out and said something.

I'd praise him for that.

Anybody inside the administration, just come out and say something. Like, holy shit, does he really have that much of a wrath over you? Like, fucking, hey, I thought it was a free country. Guess it's not.

That's the second thing. It's the fear of the donors and it's fear of Trump because Trump keeps saying, Oh, let's just move on. Let's move on. They're afraid that if they really go after this Epstein stuff, that they can have Trump's wrath. It's not theoretical. I mean, Trump takes a shot at Massey in every other speech, and he has now endorsed someone running against Massey. I think when Massey wins, that'll hopefully give courage to some of the other Republicans who are afraid of Trump. And Trump's not going to be there that much longer. I mean, he's got three years. So what about thinking beyond Trump like Marjorie Taylor-Green was? But this is the reason that you don't have more action in Congress. This is the money. It's the money, it's the fear of Trump. It's people saying, move on. And some people are saying, okay, if we move on in two years, I may want some of these people's support. I don't want a billionaire superpact coming against me. There are three billionaire superpacts coming against Massey. By the way, we discussed the billionaire tax last time. We had a good spirited conversation. But look at the people who are attacking me and look at the correlation between that and the Epstein files.

I don't think it was about some tax. I mean, they have legitimate arguments. This is about being exposed as utterly devoid of morality. And if someone just looks at the tweets and the people are tweeting against me, and you look at the people you mentioned in those files, suddenly there's a correlation. It didn't occur to me until I saw those files because I didn't think that there were that many people in Silicon Valley in those files. I was naive. I thought that most people were from New York because Epstein was in New York. I knew there were real estate folks. I knew there were finance folks. I knew there were... Clinton was in it. I knew that Trump was in it. I knew there were Barack was in it. I knew some of the politicians. But it shocked me. It stunned me how many people from California are in it.

Might be on to something there. I will tell you, a lot of people are still pissed about the tax thing. I know they are. They included. But like I said, get rid of the fucking waste, fraud, and abuse. When we start seeing our country flourish because of the taxes that we're paying, I'm all in, bro. I'll pay I'm all... I mean, I guess I have to be all in no matter what, right? But seriously, I would be for it if I saw our country flourish because of higher taxes. Unfortunately, the country is going like this and the taxes are going, and I'm just not seeing it. I see it all go to Somalia, Israel, Ukraine, these stupid programs. It's all over the place, but it's not going to where it needs to go.

Well, I do agree with you. We need to show people like me who believe that the rich should pay more need to show accountability. Because we got to show that, no, we're not just going to give this blank check to Netanyahu to kill kids. We've got to show that we're taking on the waste and the fraud and the abuse that's taking place. And that's why I said we've got to restore the trust that starts with holding some of these elite people accountable. So then I can go to someone like you. I think you'd pay more taxes if I said it's really going to cover someone who doesn't have health care. The problem is that right now people feel like even if they're paying more tax, their money isn't going to actually help Americans who want education or health care. And that is our challenge as a country. And it's a bigger challenge for a Democrat like me who believes that we should have a strong safety net of health care and education. That's why I think the highest priority right now has to be holding these elites accountable. At least we start somewhere.

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I can't believe people ask you to withhold stuff. I've never...

The only time I do that is when I'm talking to somebody that was in Special Ops or the agency that says something that was on an operation. They're like, I don't think that's still classified.

No, that's to protect our troops. Yeah.

That's the only time that I'll do it. But with her, she didn't... I just... Me and Jeremy, me and the whole team had a long talk. It was like, I think this whole thing's bullshit. So we didn't release it. Well, turns out it was all bullshit. Because I can't even remember what she said in the interview. It was basically like, Oh, no. What did she say? Do you remember?

It said that she was working PR in New York, and she was introduced to Jeffrey Epstein. It was totally innocent.

That's the first thing she did. It turns out she was his PR agent. In fact, there was a big article that just came out, right? It's in Forbes this morning. It's in Forbes. It was all in the files. It's in Forbes. I want to ask you, we looked at a lot of her emails because she was a former guest. We're probably going to release the interview now. You should. We're going to have to do a little dialog at the beginning, explain them what this all is. But there was a lot of back and forth emails with her, and she wanted to do DNA Tests. She wanted to do DNA tests from... What's that website, Jim? 23andme. She only wanted to work with people that are 98% Jewish or more. Then, I don't know, she thinks they're smarter. She says they're smarter than all the rest of us.

She said that on the... It's around the emails.

We'll put the email up right now so everybody can see. I wish I had it. I'll show it to you after this. But in those emails, there's a lot of stuff. What are these? Goyim, goy. Do you know what this is?

I've heard the term, but what does it mean?

I think it means slaves, right? Nation cattle. Nation cattle? It's a slur. Yeah, it's a racial slur to everybody that's not Jewish. This is in these files everywhere. And she's saying this- Not just her. Epstein. Epstein is talking the former Prime Minister of Israel. What is that? What's going on? Then we see all these laws being passed here in the It's for anti-Semitism. What about the rest of us? Why aren't we protecting the rest of us? What is that?

Well, look, I think we've got to get back to the basic principles of this country. I'm of Hindu faith, Indian-American, born in Philadelphia. You treat every person with equality and respect, whether you're a Christian, whether you're Jewish, whether you're a Hindu, whether you're Muslim. Are there cases of anti-Semitism in America? Yes, there are. Yeah, there are.

I'm not going to argue that.

And have there been incidents? Yes. But is there an arrogance in Silicon Valley beyond just these emails of some people who think they're better than other human beings? That, to me, is the fundamental construct that needs to be challenged, that you're not better just because you may be rich. You're not better just because you may have been a billionaire. You're not better just because you're part of the Epstein Network. I have so much more respect for people who wear the nation's uniform, who keep our country safe, for firefighters, for law enforcement, for nurses, for EMT workers, for teachers, the people who built this country, steelworkers, people on the factory floors. We have lost that sense of respect for people who really, through hard work, built America. I think about how I grew up in Bucks County, teachers, Little League coaches, and they never had a shot. They never dreamed of going and making millions of dollars. I don't have a problem with people going and becoming rich and starting companies. But this sense that you're better than folks, that the rules don't apply to you, and this sense that the economy should just work for you.

Some people say, Yeah, they should get to call the shots, that they have some God-given right to rule or lead, that America will be I'm better off with them in charge. I fundamentally reject that. The tale of two Americas is the problem, I think, in this country. It's why people voted for Bernie. It's why people voted for Trump. They're sick of it. They want to be seen for the people who actually built America, the forgotten Americans. Trump campaigned on that. And people are like, Well, what now? Why are you going after these people? You said you were going to tear them down. You said you were going to hold this corrupt system accountable, drain the swamp. What happened?

It was all bullshit. Why are they protecting the abusers? Why didn't those names come out? Why are the little black lines over all the real important shit? Honestly, what do you think that is?

They're powerful. They're very powerful. One person talked about a name who is in the files who hasn't gotten attention. I don't want to say the name, but who said that this guy is so powerful in New York that everyone fears him. I think that the names that probably haven't been released yet or blacked out, they're probably people who are very, very powerful, who have financial interests, who maybe they're saying, Look, you put our name out and we're going to talk about who else was involved. We're going to spill the beans about more of what is there. I think they were actually very clever. What they did is they put out enough, and they put out a lot of bad stuff that people would say, Well, this is a legitimate release. You ask me, Is it a legitimate release? Yeah. They put out a lot of stuff. It was pretty bad. I didn't expect even that we'd get this far. But then they didn't put out the nuclear stuff. This is the way of saying, Yeah, it's not BS. If I go to a judge saying, Oh, they didn't release the files. No, we released the files, and the judge will look at it, bro, they put out millions of documents.

They've called out a lot of people or powerful folks. But what they do by that diversionary tactic is they can keep the worst of it secret. Now It's harder for Massey or me or the survivors to say, let's still get all the files. Someone is being very sophisticated in giving us just enough to pass the test, but keeping the most powerful people protected. And this is a question that we need answered. I mean, why are these people being protected? Who are they? What power do they have? What do they know? Because politically, it makes no sense. Why wouldn't you release this stuff?

You think there's people more powerful than than the ones that are already in there? Yes.

I think there are people who are more powerful or have more information or are more connected into some of these networks that haven't been released. There's no other explanation. I'm willing to listen to Lynch because he's saying we can see the unredacted files, but there's no other explanation for having an email to Jeffrey Epstein with the abuser's name blacked out and the email just says, I enjoyed the naughty girl you sent. Or I enjoyed the Brazilian girl. Why are you blacking that out? Or, You have my permission to kill, blacked out. Why? You think that email- Who are they going to kill? Yeah. You think it's A survivor is there? Who did they kill?

Aren't they saying there's bodies buried at the New Mexico Ranch?

There were emails about that.

I bet there's no excavators over there right now looking for anything.

How do you not investigate it? Blanch as well, they're just men partying.

I wonder who owns that ranch now. Do you know? I do not know. I wonder if we could find that out, bring them in. Maybe they can do their own.

Maybe you do the investigation here on this podcast. But the point is, you can get people voluntarily, but you've done more than the DOJ has done, but you don't have the power to subpoena. Congress has the power to subpoena. We have such power to subpoena that Bill Clinton, a former President, caved and is now coming in testifying in Congress. You don't think that we could exercise that same power with all of these people who are in the files?

But why do you think the DOJ isn't doing anything? Because shouldn't they be the ones that are indicting people? They should.

Who have they indicted? They haven't indicted a single person. Really? At post-episode, they said, Oh, he's a dead guy, and let's move on. They have not released the names of the co-conspirators who they should have indicted. They have not released the names of the people they should have prosecuted, and let alone, they've done nothing to investigate these people. And I don't know why. They say, okay, it doesn't rise to a criminal level. Well, how do you know if you haven't investigated it? Have you called these people in and have you asked them questions about where they were, what did they do, what did they know? I don't think you have. I know you haven't because these people would be saying that they were already cooperated with law enforcement. Just think about this rationally. You have all these files. You got rich people, powerful people talking about being on the island. You're investigating the case back in 2007 or in 2019. Doesn't it say, Okay, I'm going to send an FBI agent or someone to talk to these powerful people about Epstein just to understand what was going on? They didn't do any of this. Why?

Because they were intimidated. Because these people were at the Davos conferences together. They were financing the same politicians together. You got Donald Trump saying, Oh, Bill Clinton shouldn't testify because he doesn't want to testify. It's all the same club.

It's a good point. That's a good point.

It's a club, and they don't want that club to be pierced, to be broken. It's people who have power in this country and people who don't.

How long have you realized it's one club?

I've had a sense, but it's become more and more obvious to me with these files. I was shocked at the extent of it in these files. I mean, I was like, How is every prominent person in some way connected? It's just absurd. I mean, do I think everyone in those files was a pedophile? No. But none of you had the judgment after Epstein was a convicted pedophile to say, you know what? Yeah, I don't want to show up to his island. I don't want to show up to a party where I hear their young girls. How is it? It's your The membership in that club was so important to you that you didn't have a minute to pause and say, Yeah, maybe I shouldn't be showing up to a pedophile house. It's not even their desire for gratification at the expense of young girls. It's almost like their desire to belong to this club, I call it the Epstein class, was so overriding that they were willing to overlook everything else. They were willing to to overlook girls being raped. They were willing to overlook the heinest things that Epstein was doing. They were willing to overlook the fact that he had all these suspicious contacts with foreign leaders, potentially selling out our country because, God forbid, they weren't invited to those parties.

God forbid, they were not given membership into the Epstein class. That's the two Americas we have. That's not what our founders wanted. That's not why you wore the uniform. That's not why kids died in Afghanistan or Iraq. That's not why people scaled the cliffs of Norman. Community, and people need to wake up in this country and say, Look, we got to get our country back. It starts with the lead accountability.

Have you heard from the survivors?

Yeah.

What are they saying?

One of them I all call back to. She texted me yesterday. She said there's a man in the files who hasn't gotten enough attention. I want you to call that person out. I'm going to call her back today to say because he really was responsible for raping young girls, and the media hasn't focused on them. So some of them are alerting me to things they're seeing in the files. There's so many things- Can I ask you who that is? I'll give Jeremy the information after If I get her permission with the survivor's permission. But I'll certainly... I was planning to call her on the airport back to California. But the reality is that there's so many people in this that some people are just hiding. If it was just, let's say, Gates, it'd be like front page news. But there are hundreds of these people. And so they're almost benefiting by the fact that there's so many. So we've got to Some of them want to make sure that they're actually being held accountable. And then they're pissed that the files were not released with their names redacted. I mean, that so many of these pictures were released of young girls naked.

I mean, how do you do that? Their identities were compromised. I've heard from some of them just in tears about that. Then they're upset that they're protecting pedophiles still and these abusers. They are not happy. And they feel there's some sense of accountability. They also want to know what's going to happen because they feel exposed. All these people are out there. The files are out there. But are we going to do anything? And they're disappointed in America because they see all these other countries. Prime Minister of Israel is making a statement, Starmer is almost going to fall. You've got Eastern European countries talking about bringing investigations about people in the files and our President saying, Let's move on. I mean, Lutnik, who's in the files, doesn't even have to answer to the press. In other countries, they'd be gone, sacked. It's just their sense is Okay, do we not care? That's what they're asking. Are we so immune that if people have money and power, that's all we care about?

The big rumor for years has been that if this gets released, the entire world's power structure will shit the bed. I think we're starting to see that.

We're starting to see it in England. We're starting to see it in other parts of the world. I didn't believe that, actually. In the beginning, I thought, okay, maybe they're exaggerating. Maybe it's a little conspiratorial. I thought, okay, yeah, there are going to be people in New York, and he was blocking the New York police. I didn't realize the extent of it until these files got released. And that makes me realize Okay, if this is what they've released, what are they holding and why are they holding it? And the only way we can't, Massey and I, Congress can't force the release of the classified stuff. We just don't have the authority. Congress, it would be held on constitutional for Congress to force the release of classified material. The President has the authority to declassify. What we need is a President to appoint a commission of people who are trusted to be able to look at the intelligence and then to come up with some public report. Until we do that, there's not going to be a restoration of trust. We need, in my view, a Truth and Reconciliation Commission, someone who's going to do a investigation of the people who are in these files and really have some public accountability, and someone who's going to look at the intelligence who has impeccable integrity.

Maybe it's someone from the military, not a politician, certainly not a politician, someone who has incredible integrity to look at this and then do a report. We had the report after the Kennedy assassination or the King assassination. We still debate that, but there's got to be some understanding of who this guy was.

I think we should do a panel with you, Massey, some of these survivors, and anybody else that's fighting for this to get released. I think that'll be a very powerful piece of content. You want to put it together?

Yeah, I would love to. I think having Massey, I think getting Marjorie Taylor-Green, if she's open to it, I haven't talked to her, but Massey, certainly.

We'll come to We'll make it easy on you guys.

Yeah, I think Massey I can talk to, and certainly the survivors I can talk to. I'm having one of this. I know you were invited to the State of Union. I'm saying one of the survivors as my guests to the State of the Union to make a statement that we owe it to them to be fighting for them. And I can help get the survivors. I'll talk to Thomas. I mean, he's got a primary challenge, but he's getting attacked anyway. There are billionaires coming after him. Some of them are coming after me. We've cast her a lot. I think doing this is going to help actually get justice. To me, this is the highest priority.

Right there with you. What are we missing? We missing anything?

Patreon questions we can bring in.

Oh, I do have a couple of Patreon. I'll bring it in from the stream. Okay. Yeah, I did. I forgot this. This is from Teddy Borja. How do you take on the responsibility of being one of the main figures in the fight against Roblox's lackadaisical efforts to rid their app of child predators? This is actually from his 14-year-old son.

I first want to just compliment Schlepp for what he did. He had a lot of courage. And what Roblox is doing is totally unacceptable. It's not just the child predators and the fact that they're engaged in abuse online. It's also these games that they've created that are teaching kids that it's okay to celebrate school shootings or to roam Epstein's Island or to reenact 9/11. I mean, what are we doing? Allowing this to take place? We've got to have a new moral vision in this country. We've got to have some moral values. So Roblox is in Silicon Valley. I've met with their CEO. He assured me months ago know that he was going to change things, but I'm going to approach him and hold him accountable, especially after your episode comes out and some of the games that he has. My first question to him is going to be, what are you doing with Sandy Hook shooting on your platform?

I don't even know if I told you about the chat place. We got in these games, and I did this with this guy, Ryan Montgomery, where I didn't believe how widespread pedophilia and predators are in this country. That was my first time ever breaking into this subject. Brought him in here. He was a hacker. I said, Hey, any social media platform? I don't care what you get in. Just anything that Kids are in. Just get in. I want to see how long this shit takes. Five seconds. Are you serious? It took five seconds.

Where someone targeted.

Yeah, I'll put the clip up. Ryan, do you think you could demonstrate right here, right now, how fast these sexual predators will show up in a chat room? Yeah. Fire your computer up. Let's do it.

I'm recording, so now I'm just going to say, Hi, who wants to chat?

I named myself Ashley, female, New Jersey.

13, female, New Jersey. Let's see how many private messages come in.

Two already. Three. It's been like 10 seconds. Yeah. Hey, you want to fool around?

Hey, how old are you?

Let me just copy that and send that to everybody because we got other messages coming in. What chat room are you in? Just a team chat. Hey, you want to cuddle a bit? I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt right now that they didn't read the...

Oh, he's 47.

47 years old in a team chat room. You got him in what? Five seconds? He's already messaging in? Oh, yeah. There's a ton.

I can't even keep up with them here because every time I click one, there's more on the list.

Then we bring Schlep on, and I had him do the same thing with Roblox. I said, pull it up. He's like, Well, I'm banned. I can't do it. You got to do it. So I created an account, and I should have made the account. What Ryan did was he made the account Ashley 13, New Jersey. I put Joe Blow 4747 or something. Something like that. I should have put Susie, 12, Virginia. But it didn't matter. We get in there and I'm like, I just want to see how long this takes. Boom. 20 seconds this time. 20 seconds. That's sick. Want to get freaky? How old are you? Then the next one, Hey, I'm bored. What are you doing? How old are you?

On chat.

On chat. Then the next one, Hey, I'm 19. How old are you? Want to get freaky? There was no normal conversations, and there was five times in probably four minutes, maybe. First one happened within 20 seconds, and it was back to back to back to back.

Why do you think there's a sickness in America on pedophilia? What is going on in the country?

I think it has to do... Do you know what I think this has caused this shit? I don't know about the elites. I think the elites They get everything they want, and then they get bored with it, and then they need to go after something forbidden because it makes them feel powerful. That's what I think. I think with normal population, I think it's the porn industry. Do you know what the number one search thing on porn is?

No.

It's incest. It's brother, mother, brother, sister, daddy, daughter. That's what the most search shit is in porn. When you introduce a kid to pornography, and what Kids are fine. We have family friends whose kids have found it at fucking eight years old. The most horrific shit. We're not talking like Top Gun sex scene back in the '80s that I wasn't allowed to watch. We're talking full on fucking gangbangs, like disgusting... And so you get introduced to porn, watch that, then that's not enough. Then you move into the incest shit. Then you're into, I don't know, Beasty house, shit with animals. Then the next thing you know, none of that stuff does... It has rotted your fucking mind completely. And then you go to the pedophilia. That's what I think it is.

You think it's increased from when we were growing up?

I think it has definitely increased since we were growing up. Although I don't know. I mean, a lot of the people I bring on this show, I'll bet 50% of them, admittedly, talk about their sexual abuse as a kid.

I've been shocked how many people have told me about their sexual abuse since they've seen leading on Epstein. It's crazy. I'm not saying four to eight. You know what? One of the things I get told a lot is, yeah, I was abused. I was abused by an uncle. I was abused by a babysitter. I was abused by a babysitter's husband. I never told my parents. I said, Why didn't you tell your parents? He said, Because my dad would have killed a guy. I didn't want to put my father in that position where he would go to jail. Some of these people never told their parents until they were 30, 40. Some of them never told their parents. But the amount A lot of people who've had this in their families has been just shocking to me.

It appears to be more have been victimized than not. Then let me go a little bit further with this porn shit. On top of the... You have all these teenage boys and girls that are getting addicted to porn and the most disgusting shit you can imagine because it's all out there. But then you also have the predators. The predators get in touch with the females, the 10, 11, on October, whatever, 17, 18. And they lure them in with, I'm going to get you this Louis Vuitton bag if you send me a picture of yourself. They do it. Then they're immediately extorted. But the other girls find out that this shit's happening, and they want a fucking Louis Vuitton bag, and they want a new iPhone, and they want this and that and the other thing. And what may start off is, just send me something of you in a bikini, and then it turns into a boob, and then it turns into the whole thing, and then they're inserting things in themselves and cutting. I'm sure you know about this. Anyways, these girls, they want that. They want So they go for this older... They want the free shit.

Now, they want the trinkets.

Now, those girls are no longer interested in teenage boys. So there's no connection there. There's no dating. And so now, what the fuck do the teenage boys do? They go back to porn, and then they get addicted to this stuff, and it gets worse. It's a cycle. It gets worse, and it gets worse, and it gets worse. It's a cycle. And it gets worse. And it gets worse. And it gets worse. It's OnlyFans. It's PornHub.

How do we turn it around?

You got to do something about the pornography in the country. To regulate it. It's everywhere. I mean, I got on and brave. Do you know what brave is? I don't. Supposably, it's like a secure Google, like duck, duck, go. It was either duck, duck, go or brave. That's what I use. I don't use Google anymore. I looked up one of the guests that was coming on the show. Well, that guest, apparently, there's also an OnlyFans girl or a porn star that has the same name. I just did a search, just a regular search. Like, Sean Ryan. You know what I mean? Then it wasn't Sean Ryan, but it was a different Sean Ryan. It's everything, all of it, on a simple search. Wow. That everybody.

That's crazy.

But I think that this is a big part of what's happening is it starts with that because these kids are finding this shit, 6, 7, 8 years old, and they're addicted to it. In And then to feed the addiction, you have to get it. It gets weirder and weirder and weirder until it becomes illegal.

And then when they turn 19, 20, they're replicating it. They're the ones on Roblox and other things trying to abuse.

Well, a lot of these kids that are abused, I mean, a lot of these kids that are abused wind up turning into abusers themselves because it's all they fucking know. Yeah. I'll tell you another thing.

It's important that some of the abuse is online, right? I mean, and that's scarring as well. I mean, there's obviously the physical abuse. But if you're online for months or years in an abusive online interaction with an adult, that can be just as jarring to someone's psychology.

Well, the desensitizing these kids is also a big part of me when we're talking about roadblocks, they're desensit. They're taking real events. I remember thinking this, did you ever watch Walking Dead?

No, but I know what it is.

About six, seven years ago, I remember my wife was big into it. I'm watching, I don't know his name. He's an Asian kid in the series. They have a guy with a baseball bat with nails or something on the end of it, and it shows him beating the kid's head in. This is public TV. Then it shows the vantage point through his eyes. I'm like, There's fucking kids that watch this shit.

Yeah. That's gratuitous. Then you go to Roblox, and They're reenacting active shooter events. I was so disgusted and shocked by that. I couldn't believe it. I can't believe someone comes up with the idea of doing a video game where you're reenacting killing six-year-olds at Sandy Hook, and you're reenacting the shooter killing his own mom, and then you're celebrating that, and then they have the victim's names.

I mean, eight-year-olds are doing this, probably younger than eight. Could you imagine the process of deep census? I It's just it's introduced at such a young age.

All it takes is a few of them to actually internalize it. Then you wonder why we have the violence and the problems in our society.

But it's not a few of them. It's millions. They said, Roblox has 80 million users a day.

I wonder how much that Sandy Hook game gets every day. I mean, that should be pulled today. They need to look We get all these games that are reenacting violence.

I'll bet it gets pulled as soon as this episode comes out, but there's a lot more of those, and we got the screen recordings. You motherfuckers are going down. You motherfuckers are going down. But what people need to realize is that doesn't mean the evil goes away. It's just going to go to the next fucking platform.

Until we deal with the broader pornography, the broader desensitization on violence.

You have to do something about the porn industry.

There's got to be some values. I'm a free speech guy, and I may let people live, but it can't be at the point of degeneracy. It can't be at the point of-It can not be that accessible to kids.

When you and I grew up, it was in the back of the movie rental section with black fucking paper over the course.

Or you still get the magazine, right? People would be nervous about even getting the magazine. You used to be in a section that was restricted. Now, it's all over.

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Einfach irgendwas raten und dann hoffen, dass es stimmt? Boah, nein, gar nicht.

Wieso Steuer ist so mein safe space?

Du meinst, damit ist alles sicher? Ja, genau.

Wieso Steuer ist so die Steuer-App, die dich einfach versteht. Egal ob Studium, Job oder um We got some Patreon questions. Is that the right? All right, cool. All right, bro. I'm just We have a couple of Q&A here. This is from Megan W. From Megan W. With all the corruption and fraud being exposed, will the American taxpayer ever see any accountability? And what would How does that accountability even look like?

Well, Megan, look, we've got to have accountability, both in the federal government and in state governments. Federal government, the biggest fraud, in my view, in waste is in the Defense Department. They failed seven audits. I'm all for paying our troops. I'm all for having national security. But you've got these defense contractors making millions of dollars for their executives, ripping off the American people where you're buying things that a commercial product It would cost one-tenth the amount. We need to have an actual audit of the Department of Defense. It's 56% of our budget. By the way, Medicare Advantage is also ripping people off, billing the American government by saying people are sicker than they actually are. Those are two places to look at fraud and waste. On the state governments, I'm working actually on a bipartisan basis, partly after our conversation, to say we should have some audit of all state governments so that there is accountability. In my state, there's been places of waste. You had a train that was supposed to be built in 2008. Every year, they say, Oh, the train is going to be built. The train is going to be built.

It was supposed to connect LA and San Francisco. It still hasn't connected Bakersfield to Merced. We've been there almost 20 years. That's a clear case. We've got a problem in my state of people are homeless and unhoused. We've spent billions of dollars on that issue, but we still They have a huge homeless population in Los Angeles, in San Francisco.

That's become a business. The homeless stuff has become a business.

It is an issue in our state. We have not handled it well.

The rich have turned the homeless issue into a business.

Well, there's waste that's gone in terms of where that money is going because it's certainly not getting people the treatment and the shelter that they need. We're not addressing that in our state. Our cost of living is so high that we have one of the highest poverty indexes in California when you look at and adjust for cost of living. We have one of the highest housing costs. So, yeah, we've done well as a state when you look at the UCs and the colleges and when you look at Stanford and Berkeley, and we look at the startups and the production of wealth. But when you look at the working class and the middle class and the high cost of housing, the high cost of energy, the fact that wages haven't kept up, and you have all this waste when it comes to the high-speed rail or homelessness, we've got issues. So there needs to be accountability. And that's one of the big issues. There's 10 people running for governor in my state. That's one of the big issues is who's going to turn around the mess There's 10 people running for governor? At least 10 serious people because people are so upset.

People are upset that they're upset with the homelessness. They're upset with the cost of living. They're upset that if you're working class in California, life is hard. They're upset with-Crime. Crime, public safety. They're upset that we have not... We've had huge income inequality. There are all these candidates running saying, I'm going to turn this around, and we'll see who wins.

Anybody good?

I've endorsed Tom Starr, but there are a bunch of people who are running who are thoughtful. There's Matt Mahan, Eric Swalwell, Katie Porter. It's a good race, but they're all running on change. They're all We're running saying, California is not working. Energy costs are too high. Homelessness is too high. We have too much waste, fraud, abuse in Sacramento. Pgne is ripping us off in terms of our energy prices. The supplemental poverty rate is one of the highest in the nations when it comes to people who are working class and poor when you factor in cost of living. Our education system, K through 12, has not been working in terms of we're 38th or 40th. So there's a lot that needs to change. It's It's a huge undertaking for whoever wins.

Where are you on nuclear?

I'm for nuclear. You're for nuclear? I'm for nuclear. Where are you on it?

I'm very pro-nuclear.

It's got to be part of the mix. By the way, the left to disagree with me, I say if you look at the Intergovernmental Panel of Climate Change that the UN did, they say the nuclear has to be part of the mix in terms of tackling climate. You need renewables, but you need nuclear as well.

From Lee Greathouse, in your opinion, what is the biggest change that we could make that would restore Congress to the original intent of the founding fathers, and would it even be possible?

Get money out of politics in term limits. So get rid of all of the Superpacks, all of the packs, all of the donors. Have public financing or say you can only get money from people in your district. Give everyone 100 bucks of money. Maybe they could give to any candidate they wanted, but get the big money out. Then have term limits. You could say 12 years as a member of Congress, six terms, two terms as a senator. You could debate what the right is, 18 years as a Supreme Court justice. These things were never designed to be lifelong pursuits. People may agree or disagree with Massey or me, but we are willing to take risk to risk our own seats. Massey has a primary challenge. People upset him here trying to do a primary challenge. The The reason we're willing to do it is because we don't have a view that this is a lifetime gig. Okay, you do there, you make an impact, you do something else with your life. Some of these people, they've been there 40 years, 50 years. Chuck Schumer, literally, I think, has been there before I was born. In office, his first elective office.

How is that- Feinstein died in office. I called on her to resign. She wasn't going to meetings for a year.

She was just- Mitch McDonald is stroking out on camera, on fucking camera. Multiple times.

The fuck?

Is anybody even in there? What the fuck are we doing?

It happens in sports, right? The athletes always stay a season or two long. But this isn't a sport. Okay, you do that, your team maybe have a bad season. This is the United States of America. You can't take that a risk where we've got people in there in their '60s and '70s and '80s. I'm not ageist. Just I'm not saying have elected officials that represent the demographics of the country. But what happens when you've been there 30 years, you build name ID, you build a donor network. So even if you're not doing the job, you can just Coast.

It really does just come down to the donors, doesn't it? The voters don't even fucking matter. It's just the donors.

The donors have a huge influence. I mean, someone dislikes me. You're a billionaire. You say, okay, I'm going to put in $10 million tomorrow against Kana. Okay? So someone who's a no-name person, can come in $10 million. You can be on TV. They'll get an equal name recognition right away. Then you find some vote. I've been there nine years. I'm sure there's some votes people will be upset at. You highlight that vote. Say, Kana is selling you out because he voted for this. Vote for the new guy. One person, literally, with money, can take someone out. So if you just want to keep your job, the way to keep your job is keep your head low. Don't call out anyone in power. Don't ruffle too many feathers, just keep climbing up, and then you're part of the club, and one day you'll chair the committee or get a big position or you'll get your shot. And that's how our system works. And then once you're in there, as long as you're not ruffling any feathers, your name ID keeps getting higher, your donor base keeps getting bigger, and it's hard to beat you.

There's a way around this, and I think you're starting to figure out how it's podcasts.

I think that's our shot. Independent media. I said this, I go on Sunday shows all the time, and I'm not saying this to insult them because I still want to be invited on. But I've had more people reach out to me the one time I came on, then probably four or five of those Sunday appearances in a row because the same people are watching the Sunday shows. Whereas I had a guy, a janitor in the Capitol, said, Congressman Kana. He started yelling at me. He I saw you on Sean Ryan. I don't agree with half the stuff you do, but thank you for going on. He's a good guy, right? I mean, your demographic is not just the people who read the New York Times. You got working class folks who listen in. You've got Republicans, Democrats, independents. So I think you can bypass the elites who have run this country for too long. I'm not saying they don't have a role, but that wasn't democracy. And we've seen from this Epstein class and files that their values are out of sync. It doesn't matter how intelligent you are. Most of these people are brilliant.

Most of these people, we want their intelligence. They started great companies. They've done great things in finance. I'm all for intelligence. I'm all for people building wealth. But wealth and intelligence without values is meaningless. What built America is the values. And so I think what the democracy does, what podcasts do, is it reminds people that the people in charge first matters having the right values. Then we can have the intelligence and the ambition and everything else.

Sean Murphy, how can we trust any of our elected leaders, especially with how wide the scope of involvement with Epstein appears to be?

It's a big question. It's not just our elected class, it's the entire leadership class, business leaders, finance leaders, tech leaders, Hollywood. How do we get a new moral beginning? How do we have a cleansing in this country? I think the first thing is we've got to have accountability. If we don't have accountability, people are just going to say, Nothing changes. There's got to be accountability. There was no accountability after the great Recession. You're talking to young folks. They've seen the Great Recession. You talk to young folks, they've seen the Great Recession, they've seen COVID, they've seen these wars. They think this elite class has totally let them down, and no one gets held accountable. That's why I think there have to be prosecutions. There have to be investigations. There have to be investigations in Congress. And then people say, okay, there's something different. They're at least holding people accountable. And then we need a new generation. We need a new generation of people in Congress, in the Senate, in these positions, and we need a new moral beginning. I believe that the fundamental test of office should be character, should be values. Are you willing to stand for what you believe?

Are you willing to do this and then go do something else?

I think that's what everybody wants. So I won't talk to very many people anymore. Or from Congress or the Senate or in the administration because they just fucking come in here and lie right to my face every single time. It's crazy. That's why I appreciate what you're doing. Raphael Raquel Vieira. What reforms are needed so wealthy or well-connected individuals can't receive preferential treatment in federal prosecutions?

Wow.

That's a tough one.

Well, first of all, it gets back to the money in politics. Why is it that they're shielded? Because they know politicians. Why is it that they know politicians? Because the politicians need them for campaign finance. A lot of it gets back to this fundamental original sin in America, which is our money in politics. It's, I think, why our elite are not being held accountable in the way that elite in Britain are, because in Britain, you don't need that money to run for political office. So the root of it is is the money. But the second thing is that we ought to make it a total crime and prosecute those crimes for interference in the justice system. I mean, the fact that Maria Farmer sent a note to the FBI in 1996 that Epstein was raping young girls, and the FBI sat on this and didn't do anything. Then for 30 years, Maria Farmer was called a liar is appalling. Where's the accountability? Why aren't we investigating those people at the FBI who just sat on this, who didn't do anything? That's why when people say, Oh, this is a Trump thing, I say, No, it's not.

It's an America thing. This happened over successive presidents. These survivors were ignored and abandoned in many different administrations. Yeah, you can lay it all on Clinton or Trump. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about a system that protected these rich and powerful people.

Last one from Big Country. With the short attention span of the American people, do you see this gradually fading into the background of our two-tiered justice system?

I don't because I think it's gotten into the popular culture. When you have a factory worker going in Michigan and yelling at the President, you're protecting pedophiles. That's when I knew this was breaking through. People are talking about this in bars. They're talking about it, I'm sure they will, at the Super Bowl parties on Sunday. People get this story. They don't understand all the complexity of Mendelsohn in Britain sending Epstein information about Britain trying to buy up the Euro and Epstein trading on it. They may not understand the complexities of Epstein showing up at the CIA and talking about Mowdy and talking about to world leaders. But they understand the simple point that you don't rape American girls and you don't prey on American girls or from working class families, and that they are disgusted by the act that rich and powerful people who, by the way, are often surrounded by women, are taking such liberties and such arrogance that they're associating with a pedophile and being totally fine going to an island where pedophilia is taking place. That resonates. That broke through. I think that is the turning point. Maybe this can be the turning point for a new moral beginning in our country.

Maybe this can be the final straw.

I think it's happening. I don't know if it's going to go, but I think it's happening because regardless of what the comment section says, the views, the like, all this stuff, the phone calls, the emails, the text that we're... I mean, this is uniting people, and it's really fucking cool to see people start to look beyond the bullshit party lines. I think that's the most important thing. Accountability, and we have to fucking find a way to start talking to each other like what we're doing right now.

I appreciate you.

But, Ro, good to see you, man.

It's good to see you. We'll do it in DC with Massey and the Survivors next.

Let's do it. Thank you. Thank you. Cheers. No matter where you're watching the Sean Ryan show from, if you get anything out of this at all, anything, please like, comment, and subscribe. And most importantly, share this everywhere you possibly can. And if you're feeling extra generous, head to Apple Podcasts on Spotify and leave us a review.