Transcript of Big Sean Reveals The Manifestation Secrets That Made Him A MAGNET For Abundance

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And boy, if I wish I knew this about how to create healthy boundaries in my 20s and 30s with friends, with family members, with employees, with business partners, my life would have created so much more peace. But I lacked the courage I'll act the wisdom. I will act a lot of things. I was afraid of how I would be perceived. I was afraid of people not liking me. If that's something that you struggled with, I'm letting you know you are not alone. I have dealt with that. Someone like Big Sean has dealt with that and so many other people that we've had on this show. But this show is here to support you in overcoming that, in becoming the greater version of you, in becoming the healthier, happier individual that deserves healing, peace, and We dive deep into his new book, Go Higher, where he reveals the five practices that changed his life and career forever. From manifesting techniques to setting boundaries, Sean's got to share wisdom that goes far beyond his musical achievements, showing a side of himself that fans have never seen before. I'm so excited about this. Again, if you find any value in this, please like the show, follow the show on Apple podcast, on Spotify, and leave us a review of your biggest takeaway.

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Welcome back, everyone, to the School of Greatness We're very excited about our guests. We have the inspiring Big Sean in the house. My man.

What's up, bro?

So excited that you're here.

Couple of Midwest kids.

Midwest. It's too bad you're from that state up north, but it's okay. Detroit doesn't feel like Michigan to me, though. Detroit is its own thing.

Trust me, bro. Gold Blue, okay? Trust me.

It's too bad. It's all right. This year, it's happening. We're coming back this year.

I know. I have had one of my best shows of my life was at Ohio State. Let's go. It was. Even though I am diehard Gold Blue, I did perform at Ohio State, and it was turnt.

Why was it one of the best shows ever? Was it a spiritual vibe or what?

Well, it was spiritual, I guess, in that sense, but it was just turnt up. It was wild, chaotic. They know how to really party.

They go hard, man. They do. It's not much else to do in the Midwest, though. You go hard. When you love someone coming to your town, you're like, Ah, they're screaming for you. Yeah, I know.

But man, I'm happy to be here, man. I've seen a lot of great episodes, and congratulations on. I know it's been 13 years you guys have been doing this. Yeah, man. Thanks, brother.

You are a multi-platin artist. Over 185 million records sold is what you just told me.

That is insane. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. How many records sold that is.

I know. You have this new book out that I'm fascinated by because Because I wouldn't think of you writing this type of book. If I just heard some of your earlier music, I wouldn't be thinking that you'd be writing this book called Go Higher: Five Practices for Purpose, Success, and Inner Peace, which I want to dive into. But there's a quote that you talk about in the book on page 24 that says, I visualized being on a cliff. My higher self was saying to me that there was an invisible bridge in front of me that I was going to take me to the other side. Took a lot of faith to walk over that bridge, but that's what I did. It took four years, but during that time, I never lost faith, and I kept writing. When my next shot came around, I was ready, and I had a ton of songs. I was asking the universe at that time to provide me with the people who could help me get to where I needed to be, as well as people who I could find a way to help as well. I wanted it to be mutually beneficial.

This is powerful, and I wanted to start here because the thing you say is, I I visualized being on a cliff. I visualized, and this is a time where you had gotten signed, but nothing was happening for years.

It happens to so many artists like this.

You're excited. Something is big. I just got signed. I'm going to make it big. The next thing I do, it's going to happen. But four years, essentially, nothing's happening. I'm curious, how did you learn to trust in the universe that you would manifest something when there's nothing happening for years? How did you continue to trust the invisible bridge that would take you from where you are to where you want to be?

Well, you can't trust everything you see, but you can trust everything you feel. You feel me? It's one of those things where I didn't know How is it was going to happen. And I think that's one of the things we don't have to worry about all the time is the how. I think we get racked up on those details of how is it going to happen, how. But if you feel it, if you trust it, then you also have to let it out in the world and know that it's going to happen at the right time. You just got to prepare for it. So that was always my mentality. And even in my early music, I do make a lot of fun music, party music, but I always have a sense of my essence of my spirit in some of those songs, too. Even songs like Bounce Back. One of my first songs was, I'm going to make a million and one dollars. It was still like manifestation. Really? Yeah, it was like I was applying it to my stuff. But I also was just having fun with it. But I think that's important, too, to have fun with it.

I was blessed to have all of these Guardian Angels, my mom and a lot of my friends. I feel like God and the universe and all of these things that if you believe in it, they talk through other people or through instances or a song you're hearing. One of the first books that really taught me to pay attention to the omens was The Alchemist. And it's like, you got to pay attention to the signs and the omens. And when you are grateful for that, when you entertain it, when you get more energy to it, you act like a magnet. You magnetize it to yourself. So it's like, that is just how I think. And I think that however we think is the truth. There is no right or wrong way to do things. There's no right or wrong. One of the biggest misconceptions is, I don't know how to meditate. It's like there really is no right or wrong way. It's really just about you believe He was believing in it.

Absolutely. I was just talking about before we jumped on our mutual friend, Mike Pozener. I was just FaceTiming him and I said, Tell me something about big Sean that most people don't know. He said he has a real huge Harp. Exactly, yeah. He said you changed his life and you're the one who brought him into spirituality and God. He said he wasn't into God or spirituality until-He wasn't actually.

He wasn't.

No, he was not.

Until you.

He said there were a couple of moments that you brought him this, and it was the moment when after years of you being signed, but nothing was happening, he said there was a six-month window where it was dark for you. It was pretty dark. That's right. He thought, I don't know what's going to happen with this guy. And then he saw you maybe six months later and you were glowing. And he said, I want whatever this guy has. What does he have? What is he doing? What is the thing that he did to transform from going to the darkness and into this glowing energy? And What was that for you?

Do you know what- Yeah, I'll tell you what it is. It's two things. You got to realize that everything isn't together. What I mean by that, everything isn't irregular. So what I mean is that because things weren't working out for me, that doesn't have anything to do with my happiness. Because my dream was taking longer to happen, because things weren't going my way, at first, I was letting it dictate my life. I was letting it tear me down and be depressed over it and be like... And then you realize that, Yo, hold up. This is my choice to be happy. And then I realized that, okay, if I choose that, I'm operating at a different level of just consciousness. So that's how I'm going to get this. I'm not going to attract nothing I by being depressed or down because things aren't going my way. Bro, life moves on.

How did you learn how to separate them when most people, they have a bad day, they have a bad month, a bad year, it dictates their happiness, their joy, and their peace? How did you separate things not working out for you to it not affecting you emotionally and your joy?

It does affect me emotionally, but I don't let it overtake me. When Mike Pozener was talking about he would see me and it was dark for me, that's because I would let something affect me and I would hold on to it and I would be blaming that for next week. I'm still blaming that. The week after, I'm still blaming it. Three months later, all it's because of that. I still go through all of these... Life can be hurtful. It could be getting punched in the face. You know what I'm saying? But the thing The thing is, I don't let it linger. I still might be hurt about something. I still may be disappointed, but that's the point of it. It teaches you something. You always learn something from these situations, and you come out and realize that, okay, that was just a moment. Now I'm on to the next moment. You go ahead. When you look at the greatest people in a category, all right? So let's pick like Benzel Washington, or Will Smith or whoever. It's like, say they have a awesome movie and it does well. Say they have a bad movie and it flops.

They're not going to be like, I quit. It's over for me. They're going to be like, All right, we on to the next one. What's the next thing? I think that we have to remember that life is just full of all these amazing moments. When you look back on it, you'll see the beauty and everything. Absolutely.

Do you think you can manifest your dreams from a depressed state energetically?

Can you manifest your dreams from a depressed state? It depends on if the depression fuels you or if it cripples you. Just like stress, there's you stress, which is a motivating stress, and then there's distress, which is the stress that makes everything harder. I feel like you can use any aspect of life as an opportunity to get to where you got to go. You know what I mean? I'm sure there has been times where depression has fueled someone. I'm sure there's been times where depression has led someone to the end of their life, obviously, and so on and so forth and everything in between. So I do think depression can't fuel you. It just depends if you're aware that, okay, my thing about when you're feeling bad or have anxiety or depression, to me, it's an awesome indicator that you're just not aligned with what you're supposed to be doing right now. So it could be an indication that, Hey, I'm meant for something greater. I'm meant for something more. I'm meant for something better, as opposed to like, Life sucks. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Or it's also we were talking off camera about how if you're feeling depressed or if you're feeling overwhelmed, you may need to look to where you need to create boundaries in your life. Because when you are giving your energy to so many people without the boundary, it's going to make you feel like you don't have anything left to give.

That B-word.

Boundaries, baby. That B-word. When did you learn about boundaries in your life? Did you ever feel like you were a people pleaser growing up or when you started in your career feeling like you had to do everything for everyone?

Yes, they make you feel like that. Really? Yeah. My dad, who's in here, he's a real nice guy. Nice guy. He's a real nice guy, but he knows that he's let a lot of people walk all over him in a sense. Really? Not in a bad way. That's just his kind, natural spirit. He has a kind heart. I have a kind heart in a similar way. One of the biggest lessons that I learned, literally this year for me, and I have a song on my last album called Boundaries, was Set in Boundaries, because it's uncomfortable sometimes to speak up and say what it is you need because it may go against what you've been through already. It may go against, Oh, that's not necessarily right or wrong. You realize that right or wrong is more so opinionated in a lot of cases, especially when it comes to feelings. You know what I mean? For me, setting boundaries has definitely created a lot of rifts between me and especially people I grew up with. Really? Yeah, because it's harder to live offsetting boundaries when you've established a relationship already with someone. It's like when you come and say boundaries, it's like they're looking at you different.

It's like, Yo, what's up with you? You're changing. Who are you? Yeah. So Yeah, it has been quite a thing. But the people who are meant to be there respect you and understand you and know your heart, and they know that you're doing this out of necessity and that that's the way it has to be.

What's the hardest boundary you've had to set for yourself this year?

The hardest boundary I've had to set for myself is the boundary of not being overwhelmed, having to say, Yo, I can't do that, or I'll take on as much as I can and then be like, I need... Hold up, I I need time for this, or if I get back from a trip, I know I'm supposed to do this, or I have to get some rest.

That's wise, man. Even with this interview, we were supposed to do it, I think, on Halloween for whatever reason it was scheduled then.

I had to set a It was a boundary because my son was one years old, turning two at the time, and I had to take him trick or treating, man. Absolutely.

I respect. I wasn't mad about it, but it's like, when you set a boundary, people People can either be offended or they can understand it. I understood it. I was like, Yeah, of course. I was excited to do it, but we're going to reschedule. It'll happen when it's supposed to happen.

Yeah. Man, that's an important lesson right there. It'll happen when it's supposed to happen.

If it's supposed to, it'll happen. We get caught up in a lot of things not happening on our time.

I know a lot of people say God's time and Kyro versus Kronos, I believe. But I think that there are a lot of things that I want to accomplish in my life that I haven't gotten to yet. But it's not like nothing to be mad about or depressed about or thinking that my life has no value, even if I hadn't sold one record or anything. I would still be doing music even if it was just one of my passions. Really? You know what I mean? Just like how I watch anime. I don't get paid to do that, but I take real time, and I be watching anime because it's a passion of mine. I don't think that when things don't happen on your time, that it's necessarily the end of the world Because it always happens at the time when you need it as opposed to when you want it. Sometimes what we want and what we need isn't always at the same time. Sometimes it is, and sometimes it's not. It's hard to see. You always see things in 2020 hindsight, but it's hard as you're going through it. That is one of the biggest lessons I learned this year.

I'm still learning, still applying, along with setting boundaries, along with the balancing life and just realizing that I am in control of how I feel, for sure.

No matter what you're creating or what's happening, you're in control of how you feel. Speaking of our guy, Pozner, I'm sure he's going to get a few shoutouts here. He said that early on, when you guys were in your teens, back in Detroit, that there was a group called Finally Famous. Yes. That it was five or seven dudes all making-It was probably 11. Eleven dudes, 11 of you guys just hanging out, making music in the basement or people's garages or whatever in rooms?

Yeah, it was me, Mike Pozener, Jay John, Say It Ain't Tone, Brandon. Earl Mac. Earl Mac, Adub. Key Wayne. Key Wayne, Pat Piff, I'm sure, I'm probably- Guys coming in and out, too. It's like naming every member of the Wutain clan.

Yeah, of course. But he said that all those names that you mentioned, a lot of them have successful careers, mostly because of you in some way, shape, or form. Mike Pozner said that you were the one that welcomed him in the group. He came later. You launched a lot of people in some way down the line to having some type of success in their life through your influence I like the first quote that I talked about. You were searching for people in your life that could add value to you, but also where you could add value to them. Absolutely. It sounds like from what he said, this group, you guys were always talking about manifesting, like, Here's the dream we want with our music. Yeah. Your first album was called the same thing as the group, right? That's right. Isn't that interesting that you manifested and you created the thing that you were always creating from that group?

Yeah, I had to. It was a representation of a lot more than just my first album. It was my life up until that point. I empowered a lot of my people around me. My friend Lawrence, who just directed his first movie, and he did a lot of my videos. I don't Fuck with your video, and me and Janay's I know in 2088, and all these great videos. And he's also my son's godfather. He did a video from a song about my son as well. He's into movies now, or like, Key Wayne, who was in the group, is Like an all-star mega producer, produced for not just me, but Beyoncé and Drake and Jasmine Sullivan, all these amazing artists. And then, yeah, so the list goes on. But it meant a lot. And Mike Pozner, being one of those guys, we used to make music in his basement with his parents there. And his dad ended up getting brain cancer and died pretty… It was a very quick thing relatively. I remember when I had Coachella and I brought him out at my Coachella performance. I felt the energy of his dad. I felt the spirit of his dad because his dad had such a warm, welcoming spirit, almost like angelic already while he was alive.

Just him and his mom, his dad and his mom, both. It was a full circle moment to be on that stage together like that. It was one of the biggest shows of my career. Really? Yeah, it was a huge crowd. It was like me and Harry Stiles had this split Coachella, literally evenly at that moment while we were performing. It was amazing.

It was amazing. Spiritual experience. I love that. Coachella and Ohio State. Spiritual experience. There's another great quote that I saw this As you started to build your career in chapter 8 of your book called Hitting a Wall. The five strategies are accepting, strategizing, trying, trusting, and manifesting. But at the start of this chapter, I think you share a story that everyone needs to hear because most people don't know what it's like being on top or accomplishing all of their wildest dreams. You say the most depressed I ever got was in 2017. Until then, the worst period was when I got signed and then nothing happened for for more than a year. But this time, everything was happening for me, so I found it incredibly confusing that I was so unhappy. You said I was rich and famous. My career was going great, and I was on tour. I had everything I ever wanted.

Essentially.

But nothing ever felt like enough. You talk about the pain of this situation. I think there's a great quote by Jim Carrey. I've always wanted to interview him, so I love this quote where he's like, I wish everyone would get rich and famous and realize it's not the key to happiness.Compared to paraphrasing it.Yeah. But you were that. You had accomplished... A lot of things. You got to work with every artist. You were doing music with everyone. You probably sold 100 million records by then.

You were crushing it.

But you weren't happy.

Yes.

Why? And then part two, everyone thinks they're going to be happy and fulfilled when they become rich and famous. But that didn't seem like it's the case.

Well, you got to remember that, like I said earlier in this interview, everything is separate, and you don't realize that. So you think that things come with other things. So you're thinking that because you have money or because you're living in Beverly Hills and you got all these things, that the happiness equates to that. Now, I'm not saying I'm not about to be one of these people that has made money and be like, Oh, money doesn't buy you happiness. Money is an amazing resource, and it can make you happy temporarily. What I mean by that is it's a dopamine hit. So it's like, yeah, getting money is awesome and it can make you happy, but you realize that there's a lot of other things in life that has to deal with. That's why you look at people who committed suicide who were on top of the world, from Chester to people who OD. You can't You think you're the lead singer of Navana or something, and then you commit suicide or Lincoln Park or anybody. Or let me just not even use them as an example. I'm sure there are tons of people who are in that type of Have reached a wild level of success and choose to end their life.

So you realize that those things are not the same thing. Now, that doesn't mean that if you want money, you shouldn't go after getting money. I think that's important if that's something that your heart desires. I know I wanted to, and I probably didn't understand if somebody who has made millions of dollars say, Oh, money isn't everything. It's like, Well, it is everything. It'll change my whole situation. Yeah, but what I realized in that situation for me personally is that that had nothing to do with how I felt. It's because, one, I was abusing I feel like I was abusing Adderall at the time. And Adderall, they don't tell you that, but it's really synthetic heroine and all sorts of craziness. It's just a lot to that, a lot of layers to that, right? So I was taking that type of stuff. I was not taking care of myself physically. I was super skinny at the time, too. I was malnourished. I was high a A lot. I was drunk a lot of times. Not all the time, but a very occasional drinker. I wasn't drinking every night, but every time there was a function, I would abuse it.

Not abuse it, but I would indulge in it. Sure. So all of those things add up, and they have a long-term effect on your brain. They have a long-term effect on the dopamine your brain creates that leads to your creativity, leads to your happiness, it leads to your mind. My dad said on my album, Dark Sky Paradise, your mind can be a trickster, and it'll make you really believe that you aren't meant to live. It'll make you really feel like you're not who you are. Really? You know what I mean? Sure. At that point in my life, I was confused. I had my head down and was working, working, working. So much that I had to be on Adderall, working so much that I had to go from one thing to the next thing, to the next thing, to the next thing without satisfying myself first by doing what makes me happy. I let go of all of my passion that I love. I let go of no free time. It's like, this is the time to get money. We come from a place like Ohio, or Detroit or the Midwest in general, where when you get an opportunity, it's like, you got to take advantage of it.

You got to keep your foot on their neck. You got to keep your foot on the gas. Don't let up. Don't let the opportunity pass. And you take that idea and it's implanted in you. It's one of those things that you just move forward with. You take it with you and you're like, I got to do this. I got to do that, I got to do that, I got to do that. Or else I'm going to fall off and go back to-Be irrelevant or something.

Or whatever.

Or just go back to living with... It's like you create these stories. I'm going to go back to living where I grew up at. For me, I grew When I grew up in the hood, and I remember when I was analyzed it, I'm going to go back to the point when I analyzed, what if everything didn't work out and I moved back to the hood? I was happy there, too. I'll figure it out still. You know what I You know what I mean? So I'm not scared of that. You can't live a fear-based life for sure. Point being is that when I realized that all of those things weren't I knew I had to make a change, and I just quit doing everything. I quit. I canceled everything I had to do, canceled everything that I had coming up. And I was like, I got to figure out why I feel like this. Interesting. And it took a long time. And Somehow the universe was blessing me. Still, I never was really low on money or low... The universe was providing its means for me to figure it out, and that's how I knew it was in a in alignment with what I needed to do.

It's hard to say no to money sometimes and big opportunities, though, right? It is. You got this artist or this person or this TV show that wants to do something with you, and you say no. But that's a lot of power, too.

It is a lot of power. Yeah, because you're not coming from a place of scarcity. Your character, your person comes first. You got to know the order of operations. You know what I'm saying? And you're at the top of that. So yeah, it's great. There are times where my team looked at me like, Yo, you passed up on this amount of money because you were exhausted. I was like, Yeah, I was exhausted, and I was this, and I had to be here for my son, and I had to do that, and more will come. I believe in that. I really, truly do, and it does. You have to have that faith in yourself. You have to have that invisible bridge below you and know that you're going to walk across it and get to the other side. You're not going to fall flat on your face.

Did you ever have a scarcity mindset, and if so, how did you learn to switch it into an abundance mindset?

Yes, I really feel like that. I talk about that on a song I have called Break the Cycle with Charlie Wilson, produced by my boy Leon Thomas. I say one of the cycles I broke in my family is the illusion of scarcity because it really is an illusion. You could be like, no one can... I didn't have any type of advantage coming into the necessarily. I didn't have any padding financially. I didn't have anything. I did have a grandma who worked real hard, who was a female Black captain in World War II, and then she was one of the first female cops in Detroit, and then a teacher and a counselor was a historical woman, and she did all these amazing things, and she worked her to give us the best life that she could provide her and my granddad But we still financially had a lot of troubles. So I think it was something that a lot of us get taught early. Like, oh, money's hard to come by. That's the concept that's not really true. Even the concept of, man, playing video games is a waste of your time. It's more than playing video game right now.

Making millions right now.

Bank. Yeah. Tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars. It's like that really, in hindsight, teaches you that just do what you love. There's an audience pool a necessity for anything, especially if your heart is attached to it. So my thing is, I had to, over time, just make an agreement with God that I'll never have to worry about that. That meaning I'll always get provided with what I need. As long as I'm operating from in my heart and I'm of service, then that's I always have all that I need, period.

I love this, man. Everything you're saying is resonating with me. There's so many questions I want to ask you about that. But before I do, in chapter 4, again, we're talking about your book, Going Higher. This is a game changer. Make sure you guys get a copy. In chapter 4, you talk about the fluidity of fortune and how you had to really unlearnt some of these things about money. I'm curious then, how did you learn to reprogram your subconscious mind to manifest money more when you weren't taught those things early on?

Man, I have to give it up to Deepak Chopra because The Seven Spiritual Laws of Success. Such a good book. That actually was the first book that broke down money as an energy. When I first read it, I was like, What? He was just saying, just like anything, you can attract it. It's magnetic. You You could really be a magnet for whatever it is your afterlife. And that includes money isn't off the table. One of the things that I had to adopt is that there's enough money for everyone to go around. You don't have to look at it as like you're in a desert and there's a glass of water and you have to... It's not like that. Money is being printed every single day.

When did you learn this? How old were you?

When I first read that book, I was 17, I believe. That's when I was like, Okay. I tried to... Obviously, I didn't have a dollar to my name. Besides the $20 I would get for allowance every week for doing chores and stuff.

When did you first put it into practice? You learned this new concept. It was something completely new. Money's all around me, right?

I had to learn the concept from experience.

How did you put it into practice where you said, Oh, it's actually real what this means?

At first, it was like, Hold on to your money. Hold on to it, right? That's the thing. You can get It's your money. Hold on to it. And I remember when I got my first advance check for $15,000, and I took my girlfriend to get ice cream, and it went down to $14,970. I was like, Oh, it's going to go away. Yeah, It's like you felt it. The reason that it felt like that is because that's not in alignment with how it should be. I really feel like that. It feels good when you can provide because you are You're like a vessel, man. And it's like whatever you choose to activate. And by the way, my life now doesn't go exactly how I always wanted it to go. There are times where things happen, and I'll be like, This is not how I wanted this to go. This is not how I wanted it to happen. But then you just got to move on, man, and just go to the next thing. But my point is, when I started to implement that, was around the time, like I said, around I'm 19 when I got my first advanced check.

And then every time that I was like, Oh, wait, it's getting low, there's always an opportunity for something else to figure your way. And that's when you do right by yourself and when you do right by everyone around you and when you are empowering people and when you're trying to just be who you are meant to be, the best you, it's like things I promise you it's going to happen for you.

When you get money now and when When money comes in and when money comes out, how does it feel for you, emotionally, when you receive and spend money?

Lately, I told myself, I need to be a little more grateful for the money that does come in. I've gotten like, okay, cool. Used to, okay, this. Oh, we got that check. Okay, cool. Oh, that came in. That deposit hit. I told myself, by the way, I do affirmations every day, so it's I'm grateful is one of them. I'm thankful for my life and every aspect of it. But I do want to just put... I do want the God to know because I always like to think that God gives us everything we need, right? A lot of times what we want as well, especially when it aligns with what we need. One of the things that I want is money. When it comes in, I shouldn't just pretend like it's supposed to be like that, I should really acknowledge it and be grateful for it more. That comes with just having a busy schedule. I'm still a new dad, in a sense. I have a lot of hats as a person, and you lose the importance of a lot of things. So I've been meaning to really, moment by moment, be grateful.

You know what I mean? There's an amazing book called Happy Money by Ken Honda. I think you'll like it, where where he says it's about the Japanese art around money. When I had him on the show, it really helped me fortify my abundance mindset around money. He said, When money comes to me, I don't care if it's a penny or a million dollars or anywhere in between, I say, Thank you to that money. Thank you to the dollar. Thank you to the $20. Thank you to the money I found in the streets. Thank you to the million dollar check.Thank you.Yeah. I say, Thank you. Where do you want to go? And it says, Where do you want to go now? Do you want to go to my bank account and sit there for a while? Do you want to go into the stock market? Do you want to go into this business deal? Should I give this to someone for free? Where do you want to go? And he says, When we look at it as energy and as abundance, and we are appreciating it, it appreciates in value. It does. We don't hold on to it, but we say, Where do you want to go?

Because I know more is coming to me.

I'm going to use that. Where do you want to go? It flows. Everything, man, that gave me a goosebumps, man, because everything has a life to it. Even making music, it's like, I sometimes, when I'm on a beat, I ask myself, Okay, what does this song want to be? Where does it want to go? What do you want me to say on it? Sometimes I'll get it then. That should go for everything. I do have a very diverse portfolio when it comes to finances and stuff. I do have stuff in the stock market, stuff in crypto, real estate. I invest in in businesses that worked and didn't work. I made money off some.

What's the best investment you've ever made in your life?

Best investment I've ever made in my life? Currently, probably, the return was probably Bitcoin. I ain't going to lie. I also invested in Uber, which has been a long play. I got in a little bit late with Uber, but I think one day it's going to pay off. But really, the whole point of my portfolio is to pass on to my kid, or I only have one now, or my kids.

What's the best investment you've made on yourself?

Probably spending all my money on studio sessions growing up. That was probably the best investment yet because it trained me to be in a studio, be on a mic, to write music. I've written music for not just myself, but I've also written some stuff for other people. I've written stuff for Janay. I've written stuff for... I got to write with Anderson Paak and Bruno Mars and some other people, obviously for as well. I've gotten a chance to be a writer in that sense, not just for myself. I'm not saying I wrote people's albums. I'm talking about just slightly contribute as a writer. Investing in that just early on, being 11 years old, 12 years old in the studio.

What's the best investment you can make in yourself today that you haven't spent the money on yet?

Time is the most valuable currency that you can spend and you can get back. That's the biggest investment is to put time into something. What you put time into is worth more than anything because it can bring you All these things can be a byproduct of it, like money or happiness or impacting someone's life, which is the main goal is to really impact someone else, to be of service. You let the laws of the universe apply to you, and it comes back to you in a way you may not expect. But I think that when we realize how interconnected we all are, when we realize how you take away the singularity of a job, the singularity of a house you live in, the singularity, and then you go within and you realize that not only are we all operating on the same system, we all are very much so alike. Everything that's alive, everything that's flowing in nature, every animal, everything, it's like we all come from this certain energy that we all are empowered from and we all are made from. Some people call it prana, some people call it love, some people call it whatever it is you want to call it.

When you boil it down through all the layers, we all are interconnected. And you see it as examples. For instance, when we're in traffic and everyone moving at the same pace and stops at the same time and this, and you see us. Even during the pandemic, everyone's shut down. It's like you see how we all operate. When you take away all the layers, we all have to operate on the same wave length. It goes deeper than that. But investing time, to me, is something that we all have right now. Some people have more time than others, and that is probably the greatest investment.

You mentioned a little bit earlier about how when you had everything, but you also felt-I don't want to say everything.

I think I labeled it as everything, but I didn't have everything. It wasn't like Thanos with the rings on.

When you had everything that probably your 18-year-old self had dreamed of.

Yeah, that's right.

Rich, famous on tour, working with every big artist that you were looked up to, all that stuff.

1,000 %, yeah.

All the money you could ever dream of. It's like everything. Playing in front of sold-out arenas. And you weren't feeling good. You mentioned how you were doing drugs, alcohol, weed, things like this.

People made it to seem regular. But yeah, go ahead. That's not regular.

Where do you feel like your frequency was when you were doing drugs, alcohol, weed versus when you're not doing that?

I don't really get blasted anymore, so I'm trying to remember how that was. My frequency, I was happy at the time. I was definitely happy, but I don't know Like I said, it's not the same as a high off of life feeling. It's not the same. It's synthetic versus the real thing. You know what I mean?

I've never been drunk or high in my life. Wow. Amazing. I played college football, so I was always at the frat party type of stuff. I never knew what that's like to be drunk or high.

It's embarrassing, I'm not going to lie.

But every time I'd go to the parties, everyone was like, You have to drink. It was very forceful You have to drink. I was like, I can get high on life. I don't need this, or I can have a Sprite or whatever.

Some people may think that sounds cliché or corny or whatever.

But I feel like it's the natural high of just, I love my life. I'm grateful to be here. I'll all these different things. I could get to that space. I never felt like I needed the alcohol or something to get there. I don't know what it's like, but is the frequency different when you're high or drunk?

Well, let me tell you something. I stopped drinking for years and stuff When I'm at an event and I see everyone drunk around me, it's so funny to see people high and drunk and you're straight. Sober. Yeah. The frequency, obviously, it's tremendously different, but it just also is like, you don't need to be... It's like the frequency matches the environment, too. So it's like, you may not have to be at a high frequency when you're in the middle of a club and you just want to get drunk. I do think that the long term effects of... I've had friends that was alcoholics. I've seen it ruin people's lives. I've seen it ruin... I've seen people not be able to It affects a lot of things. It doesn't just affect your body physically. Alcohol affects your brain for weeks after, months after, years after. Same with especially these pills and things like that.

I would also say the It affects your soul.

I think it affects your soul, too. So yeah, I do think that 100%. I do think that the frequency is not the same as when you're, for instance, sober and you're high of experience and high of life, which I've experienced, and You can't beat that. You know why you can't beat it? Because you are the drug. It's not like you're taking something to feel the effects of it. It's like you are the source of it. So it's like you are creating the high. Yes. And you're in in alignment with what is going on in the world. So it's like, you can't beat that. Let's go. You can't even buy that. You know what I'm saying? You can buy that. You can't buy that.

And you have to tap into something deeper to create it. Exactly. You have to tap into that ultimate power within you to create it. Yeah.

When you say you have to tap into it, I think people get a sense it's a lot of work or it's very hard. And I'm not saying it is or it isn't. It can be more work for everyone is different. Everyone's on their own path, but it doesn't take much. It really just takes being real with yourself and finding out what works for you to be able to tap into the life that you deserve, that you can experience and really enjoy But it starts with in. That's the point. Enjoy. Enjoy. You know what I'm saying? I like that.

Do you smoke or drink a lot right now?

No, not at all.

Not at all? Not at all. No Adderall? No. No. No drug, no weed, not even? Why did you decide, when you were making money and doing drugs and everything was working out, why did you decide now not to be on drugs or alcohol?

Well, I'm still making money. So that's another thing. Those have nothing to do with each other. You know what I'm saying? There are people who are on all those types of things that are way richer than me, but that don't mean they're more successful than me. People tie all these things together. They'd be like, Oh, because you got 150 million Do you think you're more successful than me? It's like that has nothing to do with it. That's just the concept that we tie to that. That just means you have more money than me. That's all that means, is that you have more money. That don't mean that you get to me holding my baby. Me going trick or trick with my son, that's success. That's successful. That didn't cost me hardly anything. It's like, what is people tying everything together and you're going to be a victim of these conditional things, thinking that money is success. Now, success does bring money. Success also brings a lot of other things. Success can bring, but it's not that. And that's what I mean by separating it all. You know what I mean? I didn't tie... I used to.

I used to be like, Oh, this is the reason why I'm successful is because I'm taking this Adderall. Then that's when I realized I had a problem when I would go to the studio and I couldn't do the studio without taking it. That's when I had to check myself and be like, No. This isn't right. I'm never falling apart thinking that I don't have what it takes when I'm the one who got myself here.

A hundred %. Did you ever make agreements with God? Yes.

I talk about that in the book as well. I made agreements with God about... One of the agreements I made is that we talked about financial. I don't want this to be a big financial episode, but one of the agreements I made is that I always When my son was born, I made an agreement to be the best dad I could be. Another agreement was that when I'm pursuing my passion or my purpose or having my heart in the right place that I'll never have to worry. I always have the means needed, no matter what. That's an agreement I made. I never have to worry about money or whatever it is that has to deal with that. There are some other ones that are a little more personal.

Sure.

Yeah, no worries. I mean, those are very personal, too, especially my son is as personal as it gets.

What was this moment like or moments like where you said, God, I'm going make an agreement with you, and did you hear anything in return?

I feel like God talks to you in a lot of ways. It's not always where you hear it in that sense. Sometimes you feel it, and feeling it is like hearing it. God When you get goosebumps, when you get goosebumps. Whatever it is, or something happens in synchronicity with that. There was one time in my life where I heard the voice of God, though. One time. And it wasn't when I was meditating. It wasn't when I was I've done intense meditations on top of mountains. Or it wasn't when I was peaceful on a walk. It was when I was between... It was late at night or early in the morning, rather. I heard... It's really so personal. I don't even know if I want to share it all the way. I definitely heard the voice of God, and it said something that resonated. It was a voice I never heard before that sounded so familiar. It's giving me goosebumps, man. It was very real, and I knew exactly what it was. I wasn't dreaming. I was very conscious, and I heard it twice. I got a message, and then I was like, What? And then I got it again.

It was very loving, but it was very heavy, and it was very present. It was very clear.Wow.I know.

Was it giving you wisdom or guidance or just an affirmation for you to remember something about yourself?

Yeah, it was Definitely it was just it just was personal that related to me. It was something that I always remember and always apply.

Is that when you said, I'm going to make an agreement with you?

No, that was another time. So no, when I said an agreement, God is something you feel more so than something that is like you see. Even though this is all a testament to God, me, us being able to talk, communicate.

It's all a miracle.

It's all a miracle. It's all a miracle. You realize that because we get so desensitized, so we're used to life until we aren't here no more. You got to remember. So one of the things having a kid taught me is the sperm and the egg, you're fighting impossible odds. The odds are a million times crazier than winning the mega millions that are billions. It's like crazy astronomical odds that you beat to get here, that you fight through, that you get to. And then you're the one that makes it into this egg, the one out of all these hundreds of billions of other options.

Sperm, yeah, that's crazy.

So you got to realize that on the level we probably we fought to be here. This is a privilege to be here, for real. Not just saying that trying to sound like positive. It's really a privilege to be in this. It's like, for real. You have I just want to understand that we succumb ourselves and get used to this life, but it's miraculous every day. You see it. It's like we see the sun give life to all of these things. We see See how everything works in such a system that if one thing was off, if the sun was a little bit closer, if the moon was a little bit closer, we wouldn't be able to survive. If the temperature was a little different if Earth could survive, but we couldn't survive. So you got to understand that we're here for a reason. If you're on Earth, you're here for a reason. It doesn't mean you're meant to be the President of the United States or whatever, because we think, Oh, that's reason worth living. No, your reason could be to impact somebody. Your reason could be to enjoy the beauty of life. That's a reason, and that's fine.

You know what I'm saying? I know we got a little bit off topic, but I think one of the things that people should keep in perspective of like, Yo, we here, and we in it right now. We're lit right now. We're in it.

For sure. There's two things we were talking about. One, you you heard God's voice a couple of times. When you heard God speak to you, did something in your life start to change? Did you do things differently? Did you make other agreements with yourself on how you're going to live your life or did it just remind you about what you're supposed to do next?

Well, I really appreciate you bringing that up because you remind me. It's like I love getting reinforced, man. It's all synchronicities, man. It is. I was meant to hear that today because it's like, yeah, I got to remember that what I was told that day.

You don't have to tell me or us, but yeah.

But what was it? It wasn't the deepest thing. Some stuff is personal, and it's like you got to hold on to some stuff, share some stuff.

100 %, yeah. But more like, what did it tell you? Without telling us what it said, but what did you feel you were meant to do with that information?

What I'm doing, not be quiet, not trying to be too cool, share Share what I have to offer and be of service and have fun also. Those are the things that I got from what I heard. That's cool. Yeah.

When was this?

Was this years ago? No, this was a year ago, probably. As of recent. After your son- After my son was born, yeah. After he was born. That's a real miracle right there. No, wow. Having a kid or like... By the way, it's very It's a lot more than you could... Do you have kids or not? Not yet, but we're hopefully starting at seven. It's a lot more than you could imagine. My hats go off, especially to moms and mothers.

What's the best thing What's your favorite thing about being a dad for yourself?

I love being a dad. I'm not just a father, I'm a dad, too. So I'd be like, baths, diapers, this, that, spending time playing. I don't play when it comes to that with with my son because one of the coolest things having my dad around is I could talk to him in a different manner now. I understand him differently. And there are times where I have other things to do, and I'll put things off that are important sometimes for my son. And I remember I said, Man, it's crazy. He's one year old. He's not even going to remember this. My dad was like, Yeah, his DNA is going to remember it, though. That hit me like a lightning bolt. You know what I'm saying? It was like, he might not have a memory of it, but his DNA is so knowledgeable that he'll remember it. And your guys' bond is going to... Your bond is going to outlive his memory. You know what I'm saying? For as long as he remember, he's going to have a bond with his days. It's not like you meet somebody and go on a date and it's like, Oh, you're great.

Let's be friends or whatever. It's like, No, he's going to... That is like, you're setting up the building blocks. And that's when I was like, this is always productive. Always productive.

I was asking your dad beforehand when you left the room for a minute. I was like, what's the thing that you're inspired by the most about your son?

What did he say?

He said that you treat everyone as if they're special, whether they're someone or they're a nobody. You treat everyone with kindness, respect, generosity, and you have a big heart and you want to serve people. I thought that was really cool to have your dad say that about you. What's the thing that inspires you the most about your dad?

Man, his heart. I talked about it. He has such a giving heart. He has a pure soul to me, and he was just a caring. He he was caring. One of the things I vividly remember growing up was our rise to school. I like how real he kept it with me. I like just how... That's how I learned about the birds and the bees with my dad. I just appreciated him really just keeping it real with me. Also, we would do a word of the day sometimes on the way to school. He was a special guy, and I feel like he I approached everything with love, and I appreciated that.

I saw an interview online. I don't know who this was, but I saw a clip of an older man who had billions of dollars, successful entrepreneur, and someone asked him what his definition of success was. He's probably in his 70s. He said, My adult children wanted to hang out with me today.

That's success, right?

That was success for him.

Yeah, not the B he had in his account. Exactly.

But my adult My kids wanted to spend time with me, not for my money, but they genuinely loved me and they wanted to hang out. It seems that way. I just met you guys both recently, but it seems like you guys are hanging out together. That's got to feel good for both of you.

It is. Life is short, man.

A lot of people don't have good relationships with their parents, and there's traumas and challenges. I'm not saying you guys have a perfect relationship, but it seems like- To that point, I do feel like I believe this.

You can argue with me all day. I do feel like we choose our parents coming into this world. What that means is some people might be like, I hate my mom. I did not choose her for my mom, or I hate my dad. But my thing is, it goes back to the concept of God don't give you what you want, God gives you what you need. Say, if we're here to progress our souls, if we're here to learn, we don't know what it's like to learn on a soul level. That's something that the experience can only teach you. The person you're scoped it to be, that comes from experiences. Sometimes people learn from having great parents or whatever or great role models in their life to be like them. And some people even learn better from not what to be. And some people realize later on the lessons that they're taught from dealing with things that they did not want to go through because it may switch a whole something around or it may inspire something. We never know what. We never know really. We can make these assumptions and plans, and God going to laugh at us because it's never as linear as we think it is all the time.

100%.

On page 93 of your book, you say, Make three agreements with the universe. Write them down and sign your name underneath with the words, so be it.

Yeah.

Why do you like that practice? Why do you recommend people making three agreements with the universe?

Well, I just chose the number three because that's a good number to me. You could do 10 if you want, or you could do one if you want. I just chose three just to get your mind going. But I signed it at the bottom because to me, it's like a contract. That's how I sign my business deals. I signed it at the bottom. I put the so be it there because that's a declaration. That's That's like you activating it to me. It's like you sign it and then you hit it with a so be it or it is done. To me, I don't want people to think that's Like, witchy or anything like that is not to me. To me, it's more so like business. That's how business may be operating. They're signing that signature right there. They are.

It's making it a stronger bond with energy, God, the universe, with your destiny.

That's how serious you're taking it. You're taking it serious enough to write it down, sign your name, letting them know who it's from, and solidifying it. That's how I look at it.

Something I did in my early 20s was when I was broke, I was living on my sister's couch in Columbus, Ohio. Columbus, sea bus, baby. The greatest performance of your life was in Columbus. I like that.

I don't know about the greatest one ever, but it was a good one. It was a good one, yeah.

But I was in a dark phase for about a year and a half, and I was trying to figure out how to develop self-worth. I was playing arena football, and I was chasing the NFL dream. I got injured, and I was never good enough to make it, but I lived my dream in terms of getting paid $250 a week to catch a football and play in front of audiences. For me, that was part of the dream as a kid. Got injured on my sister's couch for a year and a half, and I realized my ego was much bigger than my self-worth. I thought I had things figured out, but I really had no skills besides catching a football. And I was actually a scared little boy inside. And I remember thinking of these things. I was like, What is the goal and the dream I want to accomplish? I would write these things down, and I would create a certificate of achievement, I would write the goal down with the date I wanted to accomplish it, and I would sign it, I'd frame it, and hang it on my wall. That gave me something to look at every single day, and I said, Who's the man I need to become in order to accomplish this?

I have low self I'm in a lot of self-doubt and fears. I need to go conquer these fears and develop these skills to accomplish this dream. Has there ever been a time in your life where you felt low self-worth? If so, how did you learn to develop more worthiness for yourself?

Has there ever been a time- You had low self-worth? When I had low self-worth. Yeah, of course. I'm human, man. I think we all go through those times where we doubt ourselves, question ourselves. Especially when you're after something or when you know you can do better, which is a lot of us. We feel like we can do better. We feel like we're made for more. We get that confused. Well, maybe we don't know that, but we get confused of feeling bad and wondering why you feel bad. It's like if you realize that you're an antenna and it's tuning a radio station, if it's off, you're not going to get message. Those times are meant for you to just fine-tune yourself and get on the right frequency so you could really get to where you need to be, right? The ego part that you were talking about, your ego is bigger than your self-worth. To me, a lot of people say, You need to kill your ego, blah, blah, blah, right? To me, I feel like your ego is a part of you. You can't really kill a part of you. You got to work with your ego, and you got to be like, Ego, your ego is all of these different things.

You're like a mental person, spiritual, emotional, physical. Then there's the ego that's a part of it. Then there's your heart that's a part of it, your gut. All these things, I feel like, are the makings of the team of you that lives in this one being your soul. I feel like you can't just let your ego be in the driver's seat all the time. There are times where it needs to be in the driver's seat, where it's like, Oh, the cameras are on you. What you going to do? That's times where it's ego. We're about to... I'm never... But to me, as far as that goes, those are just the learning experiences that only life would teach you, man. You go through those moments and they make you who you are. It's like, you wouldn't be who you are if you didn't have that time where you slept on your sister's couch in Columbus. That's true, man. You know what I mean? The willingness to want to do better, it's different if you were satisfied with that. If you were like, This is it. This is good. This is what life is. But you weren't.

And I think that's something to really embrace is that willingness to want to do better. And I know it hurts to people out there. I know it hurts. You could want to take your life over it. You could want to just give up and be a terrible person to people. But I'm telling you, man, it's just all part of it, and nothing lasts forever. Even if things do last a long time, nothing lasts forever. That's Embrace it. Let that be your fuel. Let it be your fire. I can't give you the directions on how to be successful. I can only show you what has worked for me in some situations, or you can only tell us what has worked for you in some situations, and you apply it to yourself. But you do, I can 100% know that you got what it takes. I'm going to look at every camera. You got what it takes, you got what it takes, you got what it takes. I promise you.

In your book, we're talking about Go Higher, which is a powerful book. You mentioned that some of the early books that you got into, the Four Agreements, the Secret. I got to interview Rhonda Byrne, the creator of The Secret, a couple of times. It was really powerful. She talked about the law of attraction, Manifestation. I'm curious, what is your formula for manifestation in the law of attraction for you? Is there a definition for you? Is there a code for you on how to manifest better?

There have been times where I've attempted to manifest things and it didn't happen. There are times where it did happen. Then there are times where it did happen. And then there are times where it happens at a time where I didn't expect it to happen. Then there are times where it's like, Oh, I put that. I let that go, and it ended up coming to fruition. Everything is different. But for me, what works is just having clarity on it and being realistic with myself or embracing the unrealistic.

185 million records is It's unrealistic to think about.

It's unrealistic, right.

But it feels realistic to me, though. You made it real. But if you're 18 and thinking, I'm going to sell almost 200 million records. Is that realistic? It's an unrealistic thought.

It is, I guess.

At that time of life. But then, I sold 100 million.

Well, that's just because you may not be there yet. Yeah, exactly. Sometimes that's where anxiety and depression comes from, is that we try and put ourselves forward in our story. Then by the time you get there, you'll be like, Oh, this is it. It's natural, right? Sometimes that anxiety and all of that, looking forward to something, it can hold you back from just naturally being like, Look, it's going to happen when it happens. I'm going to be ready. Everyone's situation is different. So that means it could be like, say you fail the bar exam five times. You're not going to go your whole life failing the bar is there. You're going to eventually get it because your preparation is going to meet the opportunity. As long as you are being aware, as long as you are being like, Okay, this is probably where I messed up at. Let me really do my... The time you put in is never wasted. You feel what I'm saying?

Going back to Pozner, what else about Bayeshawn that really inspired you? He said, During During that time, when he was glowing, he talked about a book called Ask and It Is Given.

That's one of the ones by Esther and Jerry Hicks. The Teachers of Abraham. Shout out Esther and Jerry Hicks. Dupont, and Deepak and-What did that book-Cuello Cuello.

Yeah, they're all great. I love all those books. What did that book, though, teach you, or what did it say for you about your life, Ask and It Is Given?

Ask and It Is Given taught me to I guess it taught me to manifest things by putting yourself on the frequency of whatever it is you're desiring. I don't remember what book taught me to I try not to say want so much when it relates to the things that I really want in life because I don't like acknowledging the lack of so much.

But there's something out there that you want to create, though.

Yeah, so I'll say I desire it. It's my desire. I I want it. I'll say I want sometimes like, I want some pizza. I want that. Things that I know are obtainable. But for sometimes when it's really one of those main goals, I don't like to say I want to be. I like to say I can't wait until or I desire that, or I don't know why. That's just a personal thing.

This is really interesting you're saying this because I think a lot of people… I think we need to talk about this for a moment because words matter.

Words do It gets better.

How you desire or want something puts you on a different frequency level.

It does. How you speak the word. Yeah, it's the frequency for me. That's what it is.

You say, I'm lacking something, so therefore I want it. Based on how I'm interpreting you're saying this, you feel more separate from that thing that you want to create and draw closer to you.

An example is like, I want that new Benz. An example is like, Man, it's going to feel good when I get that new Benz, man. It's It's going to be like, Man, I can't wait to rock. I don't even like using Ken either. I'm excited about the new bands because it's mine.

It's just a matter of when.

Yeah, it's a matter of when.

It puts you into more of an abundance frequency versus scarcity or lack frequency.

That's what asking it is given taught me by Eastern Jerry Hicks. It taught me to put yourself on a frequency and just see how life changes for you. I can't guarantee everything you ever want will happen, but I can guarantee that it will while life will change if you really practice putting yourself on that frequency and keeping yourself there as much as you can because it's hard. It's a lot of work, man. I don't do... Life isn't meant to just be work every day. We're not in school all day long to manifest our goals. It's like you have to find what works for you. Some Some people prefer therapy, some people prefer yoga, some people prefer meditation, some people prefer writing things down. Some people prefer saying them out loud. Some people, it's like you got to find what really works for you and see where high it goes.

How do you balance taking action to create what you want versus attracting and allowing it to come to you?

I feel like you do always have to be proactive, and you realize that... I feel like you put your attention on your intention. You're proactive, meaning that you take action. Then you also have to be able to let it go. Gosh, it's so hard for people. Holding on to something. Holding It's like you got to let it go and have that trust. You're in the middle of trust. You are in the middle of trust. You have to trust yourself that whatever your process is, It's hard to trust, though.

Heck, yeah. If you want to create it now, and when you feel a lack, you feel separate, you're like, How do I make it happen now?

I know. It can be hard. I don't agree with you because that's a concept that I don't want to take on. I don't think that it's hard to trust.

I'm saying for some people, it's hard.

Yeah, it is. It is, for sure. It is. It has been hard for me a lot of times in my life.

What's the thing that you've desired the most that took you the longest to attract or or create in your life that you had to trust the longest?

Definitely being... I started rapping when I was 11 years old, so I didn't get a record deal until I was 19-ish. 20, 19 or 20. So that's probably the longest one. But when it comes to numbers and sales and stuff, that's all beautiful. You know what I'm saying? But that is just It's so momentary. It's so moment. It's just that is what it is. That's something you can't control, meaning all the way. You can put your energy on it. You could put your intention and your attention. It may go the way you want. It may do better, it may do worse, but that's something that's out of your control is how people consume your art. The real win is that you got to make it. The real win is that you got to create it, and then that's the win already.

And putting it out in the universe.

Yeah. All the other stuff is sprinkles on top is awesome. It's great. Success can be, I feel like that's a part of someone's success is achieving the goals that they wanted to achieve on a project. But like I said, when that doesn't happen, which that's happened to me, there have been times where I've sold records on the album, not sold as many as I would like to and so on and so forth. You got to just keep going and have fun with it. Sometimes you get to take things too serious, and it's like you realize that you already want by getting to do what you love to do. A hundred %. Like I said, if you look at anyone else, you think Will Smith going to be down and out that his movie didn't do as well as he wanted. Then the next one does amazing, and then the next one doesn't, and then the next one does. These people, it's like we get to be- You're being artists. Or they get to be artists. Every Van Gogh wasn't the angle. You know what I mean? It's like every piece is like, that's one thing, and that's the beauty of it.

That's really the beauty of it, man.

You got a whole chapter in your book about therapy. I'm curious, what is the thing that therapy taught you the most, and what is healing that you've created for yourself that has given you the most peace and freedom?

Therapy was just a way of being able to communicate things. Therapy has a way of being able to communicate things that you wouldn't normally talk about, things that you wouldn't normally touch on with a friend or family member necessarily, or may not be as deep in that sense. To me, therapy was just a great way to unpack certain things. And communication, I said this before, communication is the bridge to salvation that God is holding our hand to walk across. Just like any bridge, you can't skip a step to get to the other side. When you are in therapy, it is really uncovering so many amazing and hurtful and emotional things about yourself. But it really helps so many aspects of your life, It really can help you unpack things. It can help you let go of things. It can help you forgive someone that you've been holding on to. And that stuff is like, it takes up real estate in your mind, body, and soul. It may could be holding you back from something, really, truthfully. There are a lot of things that I've had to clear in my life. Really? Yeah. There are a lot of mindsets, a lot of concepts that I used to believe that I had to communicate and realize that that is not the truth.

I learned from one of my mentors a while ago, Christie Sheldon. I haven't talked for them years, but one of the things she used to do is when you have a concept of something that you've been applying in your life, she would say, Whatever, whatever, whatever it is, delete, destroy, uncreate, and transmute across all time, space, dimension, and realities. It is done. Done. It's over with. It's behind you now. Sometimes you have to say it more than once, but yeah, I definitely... There was so many... I can't even remember because I'm over. You removed them. Yeah, I removed it. But there have been times where I've had to say that multiple times in my life, and that I still do to this day as well. If there's something that is striking me, and I have to delete, destroy, uncreate, and transmute across all time, space, dimension, and realities. Wow.

That's powerful, man. That's a good mantra to reinforce with yourself. What would you say is the biggest mental block that you've had to let go of to create more abundance in your life?

I deserve it. That's one of the things is thinking you're not worthy, like you said. To create more abundance and to create more whatever it is you're after in life. I guess abundance is a good word to label whatever it is you're after is to empower yourself and know you do deserve it. That's one of the things that therapy, that's one of the things that For me, meditating or just like... Or just reminding myself who I am. I'm not better than anyone, but I deserve whatever it is I desire. That's That's a fact. That's really a fact. You know what I mean? Once you get rid of those concepts and of thinking, how can you be unhappy you don't have something when you don't think you deserve it?

How do people who feel very anxious, depressed, stressed out, overwhelmed, life's just not going their way, going through a breakup, going through trauma, they feel like everything is against them. How do they learn that everything is actually in their favor and that they are deserving of abundance?

Yeah. That's what this whole book is like. Not the whole book, but that's what I try. First of all, I got to acknowledge that you're not alone. We've all have been there. We've all have been there where the world was against us, and one bad thing happens after another, and you're like, Well, I guess I'm not meant to be doing this, or I guess this is like Or it's brought you to tears or brought you... The best part about those moments is it teaches you something new about yourself, but it also is temporary. Then you could use that for fuel to your fire. Also, you have to make a switch in your mind. You have to realize what you're creating. Everything is a reflection of you. Instead of blaming everyone else, How are you manifesting it? Instead of pointing that finger when you realize it's three fingers pointing back at you, you got to realize that, okay, let me change. If I'm not happy with how things are going, let me change Let me realize that I'm the source and let me change what I'm doing and see how that changes it. You're not going to get what you desire by being I'm like, what's up?

Or being angry at the world or all these things. I'm not saying you can't take that angry. There's infinite possibilities. You can't take that and let that fuel you. But if it hasn't been working for you, then, yeah, you got to change up your mentality because your mentality is everything. It really is. It's the beginning of everything. Faith and then the mentality.

It's like what Pozner said, that you down and out for a while or in more of a lower state, and then all of a sudden, he sees you a few months later and you're glowing. You change something within you. You didn't take a pill and make you feel better. You changed something within you. You transformed the way you think, and then you created from a space of joy and possibilities and freedom.

Have you ever read that book, The Secret of... The Hidden Secrets of... I read it, and I can't remember the name of it. It's talking about speaking to water positively and you're speaking to the water differently. You look at the water down to the crystal levels because they're like... And you see that it'll be a beautiful snowflake when you're speaking to water positively, and then it'll be a deformed-looking crazy thing when you're saying, You suck. You don't deserve this, this and that, as opposed to, You're worthy. I love you. You see the difference in water, right? When you realize that we're 70, 80% water, and you realize how important it is to speak these things onto yourself and to say, Am I allowed? It has an effect. What that book taught me is not only is that people could be like, Oh, that's woo-woo. And an opinion, no, that's scientific research that the way what you say, what you put out in the world, literally has an effect on the world around you.

100 %. I think your Your inner words also, even if you don't speak it out, but you're thinking it, also has the effect. You're just thinking, I suck, I'm nobody, but you're not saying it. It's still going to impact you.

Yeah, it is because that's your subconscious. To me, your subconscious mind is like the secret to... That's one of the secrets to manifest in. Because your subconscious mind can't tell what is real and what isn't. Meaning you might be like, Oh, I don't know if this is going to work, but let me just do it. And then you'll be like, I am this, I am that, I am that. The fact that you took the time out to acknowledge that your brain is going to believe anything it tells you. So even if you're like, Oh, I feel the fuck. You know what I'm saying? You're subconscious. I'm going to be like, Oh, okay. You have to treat your subconscious mind like it's your best gullible friend in the world. 100 %. So you feed it, you give it all the nutrition so it could be the healthy as possible. You know what I'm saying?

In your book, you have a couple of questions for people, and the question is, what are you avoiding in your life? Is it possible that this thing might serve you in your development? What's the best thing that could happen from it? Curious for you, Sean, what are you avoiding in your life right now? What's the thing you're avoiding the most right now that when you address it, it's going to really help you unlock that next level of abundance and freedom?

You know what? That's something I'm going to have to take with me and think about. That's a great question. I think that I need to take time out a little more to live my life all the way. What I mean by bad is cold. Whatever it is, whatever I feel, I feel like I have to really accept that I deserve that and that I have the means to do it. I can't say, Oh, I'm hailed back by this or that. That's one thing. There are a few things on my list that I know that are personal. Sure. But I appreciate you.

Reflect on it.

I appreciate you because that is something that I'm going to actually... I hope somebody wrote that down out there because- Well, you got it in your book. I should have brought my journal to take notes, really. I love that you do that.

Yeah, of course, man. What do you need to make peace with? These questions that you have in your book for us, which I think are powerful. You're a deep, wise human being, and I appreciate how you challenge anyone who's getting this book. Again, get the book, go higher. But one of the questions is, what do you need to make peace with?

That was a question in my book.

It's your book.

Which, by the way, the answer I gave is just that some of this stuff is personal, so I just don't want to say it on camera. It's not like I didn't have it. I know what the thing is. A hundred %. What was the next one you said?

Question is, what do you need to make peace with? What do I need to make peace What do you make peace with?

I'll give an example of something that I need to make peace with. There's a friend at home that was one of my best friends growing up that hurt me in a sense of overstepping boundaries, try to do business with them, try to put them in things. I don't want to get too many details because I don't like embarrassing people, but that's That's one of the things that I need to make peace with in a sense of knowing how to move forward with that, but also letting go of that, letting go of that hurt.

Not holding on to it.

Yeah, not letting me apply what our situation was to other situations of maybe being a little bit... Having a reservation of doing certain business with people because of that situation, and that has nothing to do with that. I have to practice that rule of separation that I've been talking about that has nothing to do with that.

What's the next three steps you need to make after this conversation to support you in getting to a peace with that conflict?

Well, one of the next three steps is, one, I have to take time out to actually address these things and respect that a lot of times, if we're not making money or doing things, we think that it doesn't deserve-Wasting our time or whatever you have. Yeah, it doesn't think that it deserves that much time. So I have to realize I need to take time. I need to take responsibility. I need to be confident in my decision. That's one of the things that I lacked my whole life was confidence in my decisions. I had confidence as a person, but being confident in my decision, it doesn't matter what the outcome is. The confidence in a decision is already a win because that is the quality of man, and that is the quality that I want to pass on to my future generations. That's something I want to see in my son and his son and his daughter, my daughter, whoever.

That's beautiful, man. I'm going to follow up with you in a couple of weeks and see you take those steps.

I would love to. We got to do a part two of this.

I'm down, man. I'm down, man. I've got a few final questions for you. I don't want to respect your time. What's the thing you are most proud of that most people don't know about you? We know you've got a multi-platinum, 185 million records. You've collaborated with every big artist in the world. You're a superstar. But what's the thing that you're proud of most people don't know about you?

Well, besides making the best kid ever in the world, that's one thing I'm for sure proud of. Another Another thing is being able to achieve something that a lot of people told me it wasn't possible. A lot of people, at the end, achieve it by not believing them. That's one of the things I'm most proud of because it's so easy to believe what someone says. But to bring it all the way back around, you have to believe what you feel always and not always believe what you see, but always believe what you feel. And that is the one thing I'm proud of that I've been able to do. When you do think like You get to collab with your favorite artist, people you consider the greatest, from Ye to Jay to M&M to Nas to Lil Wayne, all of my favorites that are alive still and have plaques with them with their names on it. Like, Oh, me and Kanye song went seven times platinum. Oh, me Jay and Kanye song went five times. Oh, your song went this or you did this or you going diamond and all these things. It's like something I'm really grateful for and proud of, but I'm not as proud of that as just believing and Believing in myself that I could do it means more than the actual thing.

Yeah. Does that make sense?

Of course, 100 %. I mean, you've collaborated with some of the most iconic artists of our generation, and I'm sure you've learned incredible lessons from each one of them and have inspiring stories from each one of them. But which one of those names really taught you something that just blew you away, of those artists that you got to work with, whether through interacting with them, seeing how they created art, just being in their presence, how they performed on stage? What was the lesson one of them taught you that really inspired you?

Kanye, for sure. He was the one who let me be a fly on the wall in the studio. Really? Yeah. Well, actually, there aren't a lot of people who would let a kid come up to them, rap for them, eventually sign them, build a bond with them, give them an opportunity. It's not a lot of people who would do That's just been... He did. He did. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that's been awesome. M&m, too, really.

What was that like being a Detroit kid?

Yeah, crazy.

M&m's the king in Detroit. Crazy. What was that like?

Well, one of the things I've been talking about this whole interview, the separation of... I learned that just because you're the biggest rapper of all time in in the world doesn't mean that you're taking it easy. It's like his passion has nothing to do with his success, in a sense. It's the byproduct of his passion, but at the same time, he's in the studio every day. He's hungry. He's trying to do his best, and he has sold a trillion records. I said it in another interview, he cares about rapping like how Goku care about fighting. And I really learned that That passion is its own beast that has nothing to do with... A lot of people be like, Oh... I guess he taught me to just really go with how you feel. That's what he feel like doing.

I got two final questions for you. I've got a dozen still on here, but I want to respect our time here. But I want people to get your book before I ask the final questions. It's called Go Higher: Five Practices for Purpose, Success, and This is a game changer, and you wouldn't expect a lot of things you're going to read out of this from a guy like Big Sean, but it's extremely deep, wise, spiritual, and profound. I want to acknowledge you, John, for putting yourself out there like this. I know you do this in your art and your music, and there's undertones of this as well in your music. But you really went all in on this book. I think it's one of your greatest pieces of art because of the impact it will continue to have for generations and how it's truly feeding the soul for so many people when they dive in and start consuming and capturing some of this. I want to acknowledge you for taking the leap of faith to put this out there, to put your heart and soul into something like this, and to be willing to talk about all these concepts that I don't really hear a lot of artists like you talking about.

I don't hear people talking about manifestation and setting a frequency and letting go of the past. You hear about holding grudges and getting back at people and all these different things. You're speaking about boundaries, learning about how to love yourself, self-worth, therapy, recreating bonds with your parents, loving your child, being a great dad, being proud of being a father, being there for yourself. All these things, it's just not a typical conversation, I think, with that industry. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I think a lot of people might be thinking. So I want to acknowledge you for-Thank you so much. Diving in and using your heart. Again, what you said, using your heart to be of service. I think that's the greatest gift that every person can give to the world is whatever's in their heart, use it to be of service for others, and I acknowledge you for doing that with this book, my man.

Thank you so much, man.

Two final questions for you. I want people to go get the book, follow you on social media. Where else can we be of service to you today besides getting a couple of copies of the book?

I just I care about the product of what the book teaches you more than you getting it. You could get it and pass it on to somebody and pass it on to 10 different people. I really love it. It's not about the amount of the books, but I just really appreciate those kind words you said. Sometimes it is, gets a little lonely walking the road I'm on, but I got to just keep it real myself. What I can say is that I'm very grateful. Of course, anything you hear from me, you can indulge in. Just be the best you, man. That's the way you do it. You go higher with whatever it is you got going on.

This is a question I ask everyone at the end, these last two questions. It's called the three truths. It's a hypothetical scenario. All right, cool. Imagine you get to live as long as you want to live on this Earth, but it's the last day. It could be 100, 200 years old, whatever it is. You get to live and you get to accomplish and manifest all your dreams from this moment till then. But you got to turn the lights off and go somewhere else. Your life is over. On this last day, you have to take all of your work with you. So no one has access to your music, your art, your book. This conversation is gone. Hypothetically. But you get to leave behind three final lessons. I call it three truths. We would have access to these three lessons What would those three truths be for you?

One sounds very cliché, but you are the source of your happiness. Be happy. You don't have to chase it. It's already there. You just got to choose it. Another is to have fun, see yourself and everyone else, because everything that comes into your existence is just a reflection to you and vice versa. See yourself in everyone because that will really create a lot for you, I promise.

100%, man. Final question, what's your definition of greatness?

To me, it's the act of doing your best. To me, the definition of greatness is living at the highest frequency in every aspect, getting the most out of life. Whatever that means for you, getting the most out of it, that's greatness. Yeah.

My man, big shot.

Hey, appreciate you. It's been a true pleasure, man. Powerful, man. Thank you.

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