Transcript of #2498 - Brendan Schaub New

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All day. Hey, hey, what's up, brother?

Man, good to see you.

What's going on?

This is a good time for you to come in, man, right after this weekend.

Holy shit, brother.

Bro, for— I mean, everybody's talking about the Sean Strickland-Khamzat fight and the debate, but Before we even talk about that, bro, how fucking good is Joshua Van?

And he's only been fighting about 5 years.

That's what's right. Scary.

Crazy. 5 years.

Crazy.

And he has some holes for sure that certain guys are gonna, you know, expose. But 5—

think how he's not the best on the ground.

He's also 24.

He's 24. Yeah, crazy athlete. But his fucking boxing It might be the best in the UFC.

It's up there. It's him or Ilia.

Yeah, well, Ilia, the thing about Ilia is Ilia is one punch, night night. That's the difference.

It's tough at flyweight to be a knockout artist.

But then also Josh, maybe Davidson Figueiredo. True, true. He was starching people. He was.

But with Josh too, again, he's 24, but in Tatsuya Otyra, he also just was blocking punches with his face. Well, that's the other thing, like, his defense was so bad.

I think it was that Joshua Van's offense was so good, you know.

I think it's a combo of both.

Yeah, it's a combo.

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Because Tyra is primarily a grappler. I mean, he's obviously a mixed martial arts fighter, and he did strike. I mean, that's why he didn't completely get blown out of the water. He did strike pretty well. It's just the counters came so clean. So sharp. Like, I rewatched some of it today and I was like, good Lord, that's pretty.

So good.

He looks so good.

And again, 24.

And you know, it took all the stink off of the way he won the title.

Yeah, but not me, I'm sure not you, but there's a lot of questions that haven't been answered. Oh, for sure. Like, because Pantoja's a motherfucker.

Pantoja is a straight assassin.

Okay. How would he do against Pantoja?

Hey man, his stock went up after this fight, I'll tell you that. Look, it was always up, right? But Tyra was a real threat. Tyra got him on the ground, wasn't able to submit him. Joshua Vange pieced him up on the feet, man.

But again, at 24, so let's say they do the Pantoja rematch, whatever, Q4, and let's say Pantoja gets that win. All good? He's 24.

Right.

He's gonna be your champ for a very long time.

And how old is Alexandre Pantoja at this point?

Not young. In flyweight years, he's 67. Yeah, flyweight's tough.

36.

36. Yeah, that's tough. Yeah, that's tough. If he was a middleweight, you'd be like, mm, that's the beginning of the slide, right? That's the beginning of the slide. Yeah, for welterweight, you're like, ooh. Yeah, but at flyweight— oh bro, it's crazy. Yeah, heavyweight is like, oh, he's in his prime.

Oh, we're cooking.

Look at Francis. Yeah, Francis is like 38 or something. Yeah, yeah, 38.

Yeah.

Francis is in his fucking prime.

Flyweight though, nobody looks at Francis and goes, "Ah, he's over the hill." Oh, never.

Not at all.

No, there's some old cats at heavyweight doing the damn thing, especially now. The heavyweight division's—

How old's Volkov?

59. Honestly, I used to train with Volkov back in the day.

Right. He was a Bellator champion, M-1 champion. He was a Bellator champion in the early days of Bellator.

Yeah, and remember he had in Bellator, and then when he first got to the UFC, he had that Moana tattoo on his back. He had the stingray.

And he changed it into that Japanese mask.

Yeah, I like this.

The new one looks dope. The new one looks dope.

It's so dope. I like to think I'm the one that kind of bullied him into doing that because like, it's all I ever talked about for like 6 years when he fought and he comes out just this dope-ass samurai tattoo. I'm like, yeah, there it is.

Well, sometimes you realize like, this ain't making it. I got to fix this.

Yeah, especially that. People are like, bro, why do you have a fucking stingray on your back?

Bro, speaking of tattoos, how many tattoos does Tom Brady have? That motherfucker's feet are tattooed.

Bro.

Like his entire body's tattooed. How good did he look?

Phenomenal.

This thing, my phenomenal—

I always get stressed out because everyone's asking for betting picks before the fights, and MMA's tough, dude. MMA's tough to fucking pick.

Yeah.

So with the Joaquin Buckley fight, the reason I told my brother, like, literally put your mortgage on Sean Brady, because Joaquin Buckley did an interview like a week before, was like, I'm not working on grappling, I'm not wrestling or grappling, I'm just gonna keep this thing standing, knock this motherfucker out.

I was like, oh, buddy, no way.

Yeah, you can find it out there.

But that could have been just a a bullshit tactic to try to get Tom Brady, because Tom Brady probably saw that interview too.

Yeah, and was like, cool, say less, and then just—

I know, but I mean—

10-7 rounds? 3 of them?

I know, it was nuts. But I mean, you could say that.

I get— I hear you.

If you were just playing mental games.

I get you.

But maybe he actually did that.

And it appeared so.

Well, hard to say, because that's how good Tom Brady is.

I agree. It's just tough when you lose like that.

That.

Could you go back to the— you go back to the locker room, you're like, fuck, we're not even in the same ballpark.

No.

Like, I'm— what am I gonna do? You look at your coaching staff, you go, what are we gonna do? I thought I was a top 5 guy, right? I just got beat 10-6, 3 rounds in a row.

Okay, I was gonna bring this up, so I have some insight to this. So there was a very strange betting behavior. It says it turns out to be meaningless. BetOnline cited abnormal betting patterns as Buckley moved from +150 underdog to -220 favorite before the fight. So this is what happened. There was money that moved very quickly before the fight, and the UFC, obviously, because they've been through this shit with the guys fixing fights and the FBI investigated it, they got concerned. And so I believe what happened is they minimized the amount that you could bet online, so you couldn't bet big money anymore. I don't know what the cap— let's find out what the cap they put on it was. But then you— they were gonna go ahead with the fight, but they wanted to make sure that Sean Brady wasn't injured. So this was the fear. The fear was that some inside camp word got out, Sean Brady's got an injury, and then all the money jumps up. Because a lot of times that's what happens.

But they did it right, because before they would just cancel the fight. Like, we don't know what's going on, Rashid Khan's fight— no, just take the fight off the betting sites.

Well, they only did that one time. They did that one time with the Alexander Hernandez— I don't remember who he's fighting. I don't remember who Alexander Hernandez was fighting, but they did that with that fight, and I thought that was really crazy. Crazy. They asked Alexander, like, are you okay? He's like, I'm fine, like, I am planning on winning this fight. But for some reason, he became an underdog.

Like, nothing came out from it either.

No.

Like, I wish they'd be a little more transparent, like, hey, we look into it, it's our bad, this, you know, but they just canceled the fight. And so everyone now, we just assume something happened. Something happened. Somebody's being dirty.

Yeah, but then Hernandez fought again and lost his next fight. Fuck, who did he fight? He fought someone on a fight night. It was a very good fight, very close fight. The dude was very good.

But I'm glad they're not just pulling the fight. Oh, Michael Johnson.

It was supposed to be Michael Johnson. Yep, but they didn't have that fight, and then who did he fight next instead? So let's just go over this real quick before we figured out who he fought. Amid suspicious betting movement. So what, what is suspicious betting movement? Like, what if you and your boys all go, fuck it, I'm going all in, and you just decide to bet $100,000 on Buckley?

Will that change it that dramatically?

I don't—

I think we're talking—

according to this, I think it said that they had certain— they have I think they have certain accounts that they knew.

Oh, we're shady.

Yeah, not shady, but I mean, they might be particular whales or whatever that are certain bettors that always were betting, you know, $200,000 a fight or whatever, and maybe one or two of them changed.

Bro, two of the judges scored that fight 30-25.

Abnormal betting patterns from highly monitored accounts.

Interesting. Highly monitored accounts is interesting.

Mm-hmm.

'Bro, you better get a new account.' They're on to you, bitch. But it also said that they called Sean Brady here at the bottom.

I was gonna point out, says someone called him to let him know, and he's like, 'Well, I'm fine.' I love it.

He goes, 'I'm gonna beat the shit out of this guy. What are you talking about?' Like, 'Yeah, you're good to go.' I think that's what Alexander Hernandez said too. That's a bummer.

Yeah, it is a bummer.

But you can also understand, you can also understand from the UFC standpoint being like, because when it happened, especially then, They're like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Oh yeah, no, they're in a bad spot right now with that because until that gets resolved, the— look, the fight game has always been connected to fucking shady people.

Always.

That's the Marlon Brando movie On the Waterfront. I could have been a contender.

Yep.

You know, yeah, it's—

that's who he lost to.

Oh, that's right, Rafa Garcia. Very good fight, very good fight. Rafa did a phenomenal job.

But I, but I think too, back to the betting, I think that's also a reason why now more than ever fighters are getting so much hate. Because if you, you know, you have a 9-to-5 and you make $1,000 a week and you put $500 on, say, Khamzat.

Yeah.

And he loses that $500, that's why it's so toxic now. Because yeah, your guy's losing, but now it's costing you money. So I think that's why fighters are getting so much more hate these days than they did even when I was fighting. Betting was—

oh yeah, no, I think you're absolutely right. I think it's Rafa Garcia. Is it Rafa or Rafa? Why am I saying it wrong?

Feel like it's Rafa.

I think so too. I think I went Brazilian on me.

I get it.

For a minute there. Yeah, that— you made a real good point about the betting, because that's why people are getting so upset, because they are betting money on it. It's a big problem with some people. With some people, the ability to just bet on anything anytime you want, and now it's like a poly market and all these different things. You could bet on, you know, fucking anything, anything, anything.

Anything.

How about that fucking soldier that got busted? Good move. He bet that Maduro was gonna get kidnapped, dude.

If you don't— but my thing is, it's like the Pete Rose thing. At least Pete Rose was betting on his team to win.

Right.

This dude was betting on his fucking team to win.

Right.

Don't discipline him. If you don't think Trump's giving him a pardon, you're out of your goddamn mind.

Well, I don't—

That guy's awesome.

That's a weird one. That's a weird one. But I mean, why is that bad, but the insider trading in Congress goes unchecked?

Oh my God.

Like that—

Bro.

That's crazy. Like, if you get mad at that, people, what a hypocrite.

You're also dealing with a special forces guy who— it's not like they're compensated that great. And he was like, "Oh, I'm gonna bet the house that we fucking get this idiot." Right, and by the way, he's betting on himself because it didn't have to happen. That's what I'm saying.

It didn't have to work. They could have all got killed.

It's like Pete Rose too. It's like, you keep him out of the Hall of Fame. I think they're gonna let him in now that he died.

But— oh great.

Yeah, cool.

That helps.

Thank you. But it's also like, he never bet against his team. It's pretty gangster.

I don't know if that's true.

I'm pretty sure.

I don't know.

Jamie, look that shit up.

I read something online that he might have bet against his team, at least at one— on one game. I don't know if that's true though.

I'm rooting for Pete Rose.

But I just read something. I mean, they might have been a Pete Rose hater.

That's what I thought. That's what I heard.

Like, if he only bet for his team, I feel like that should be legal.

That's what I'm saying. That's like this Special Forces guy.

What, you trying to win harder? You trying to win harder because you want money? Yeah, that would be good.

The Special Forces guy's like, dude, you're really into this. Yeah, he's like, fuck yeah, dude, I got a million bucks right on this.

No confirmed evidence has ever been produced that Pete Rose bet against his own team. There you go. The Cincinnati Reds, though there's some speculation. All official speculation. I must have read speculation. I mean, what the fuck? You say, personally, Pete Rose probably bet against the Reds at some point, John Dowd said, but even he has acknowledged that his investigation did not produce conclusive proof of such bets. So if I feel like you should be able to bet on yourself as a fighter, I feel like you should be able to bet on yourself as a baseball player. Why not? We're just betting to win. Now, betting to lose Different story. Different story. But bet— so if you're just saying— is that because you can't tell them how to bet? Like, if you're gonna let them bet, they have to be able to bet on whatever they want? Like, man, I don't know if I'm gonna win this fight. I'm gonna try, but I think I might lose, so let me just see if I can make a little extra money just in case I lose. Say, well, I tried my hardest, I lost, but still made some money.

Made some money.

Yeah, that's good. That's good. It just opens a can of worms you don't want to deal with. Well, the problem is nobody's betting.

Right, because then what if you won? You're like, I won, yeah, but I lost money because I fucking bet against myself like an idiot. Yeah, right.

You made no money this fight.

You'd have to be a fucking psycho, like, to try to win knowing it's gonna cost you money, like your whole camp, paying your fucking trainers, your manager, everything. Fucking nightmare.

Well, it's like the, the Hamzat-Strickland fight. You and I, right when that fight Good fight. I know everyone's gonna, you know, Khamzat's a big favorite, but we both went, I don't know, man. I can see—

I was, I was nut riding for Strickland the whole time. I was like, that guy is the fucking captain of the deep water. He knows how to go into deep water, man, and he knows how to survive. He can survive. And the thing about Khamzat is if he takes you down, he wants to hold you down and just beat on you and not, not expend a lot of energy like he did with Dreckus.

That's an issue.

You can't do that with Sean. Sean is not gonna sit still. He's very hard to hold down. He's got super underrated grappling, super underrated. You know, we saw he almost threw Khamzat like later in the fight, you know, and he did wind up on top multiple times. Like, it's— he ain't easy for anybody, far from it. And he had a blown-out shoulder.

Boom.

That's the other thing.

Everyone's like, well, you know, Khamzat was compromised because the weight cuts. Like, hold on, Sean had one arm. Sean had one fucking arm. And when he did throw that right hand in that second round, he wobbled Khamzat. No one to talk about that. The most significant punch was in the second round.

Yeah, he flash knocks out Hamza, and Hamza's like, and he probably fucking jolted his shoulder with pain and still defended. They noticed he was doing this at the beginning of the fight. He, before the fight started, he was doing this with his arm, so he's warming up, he's doing this, but he kept doing this with his right arm. I'm like, ooh, that's what I do if my shoulders hurt, to see how hurt it is.

Yep.

How's it feel?

Feel the range?

Yeah, how's it feel? And he was only going to here. He was only going here. He kept doing— but deadpan killer look on his face.

That motherfucker still won. Yeah, here's my thing about—

still fought when a lot of guys would have pulled out. A lot of guys would have said, I can't use my arm, I'm pulling out.

Especially for that magnitude of a fight. I think with Strickland too, now that he won, people like, oh, is he a Hall of Famer? 1,000%, 100%, 100%, he's Hall of Famer. My thing with Strickland too, it's like he's gonna be a bigger star now more than ever. I think that fight is the one that put him even bigger. The thing about Strickland is he's the guy that's not supposed to be here. Like, everyone, when we talk about, you know, Chechnyans or Dagestanis or wherever these war-torn countries are from, and they're like, this is the only way they made it out— dude, Strickland grew up a poor white kid in America, disenfranchised. Dude had an abusive father. The odds are so against Strickland, so against Strickland, and this shit beat arguably the best striker in the middleweight division of all time, Izzy Adesanya. Beat him at striking, at fucking striking in Australia. And then they give him arguably the best grappler of all time in the middleweight division, and he beats him. So he— we're all— all of you listening, all you guys are closer to Sean Strickland than you are to LeBron James or Patrick Mahomes.

He's just a tough white kid who trains his ass off. He's a blue-collar guy. He doesn't run a 40 in a 4.4. Doesn't have a 40-inch vertical.

He's got one bad leg from a motorcycle accident. He almost ruined his whole career.

I get chills talking about— dude, he's a— he's the guy. He's that blue-collar guy through hard fucking work, is a Hall of Famer, bona fide Hall of Famer, and beat two of the greatest middleweights of all time. And was under— in all the fights, he's an underdog. Fluffy, underdog. DDP, underdog. Granted, he lost, but I thought he won that first fight. Khamzat, under— massive underdog. Izzy, massive underdog.

Second fight with with DDP, he fucked his shoulder up too, driving a dirt bike like a fucking psychopath.

Crazy.

Crashed his dirt bike, fucked his shoulder up, and they told him he had to fight. So he had to take the fight. So he had to take the fight with a fucked-up shoulder. And if one of the things you notice about when he's throwing right hands, in particular in this fight, I noticed it was— they were awkward sometimes.

Yes.

Sometimes they just looked weird, like he was trying not to use his shoulder or something.

Compromised.

Yes, 100%. And I saw some of that in the second Strickland— the second DDP fight. You know, where it looked like he was kind of throwing his punches weird, you know, which sometimes he does anyway because he goes around the guard.

It's awkward.

It's strategic. Yeah, he's throwing shit that you're not gonna block correctly, and then he's gonna land you clean shots. But when you see him when there's nothing wrong with him, like he had this giant break because he punched somebody in some fucking low-level promotion. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a wild boy. So they gave him like a 8-month suspension, something like that, 6-month suspension, whatever it was. So you see him against Hernandez when he's perfect and he looks fucking phenomenal.

Best I've ever seen.

His striking looked phenomenal. Everything looked phenomenal. And I'm like, oh God, he looks like a better version of the guy who beat Izzy. He looked better.

Best we've ever seen.

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A lot of people did.

Look, it's a lot A lot of people that know fighting thought Khamzat won. There's a lot— I think it's split among journalists. I think I was reading something—

Yeah, go easy on journalists.

I don't read anything, by the way. I really read the headlines and then move on.

You gotta be careful with journalists. I'll listen to former fighters or people that have been around the game a long, long time. If you have Khamzat winning, yeah, okay. Nobody was robbed, but I can give you a pretty good argument why Strickland won that fight.

Yes.

I can give you a damn good argument.

I think he won the fight. I was talking to him inside the Octagon before the fight said, what do you think? And I said it was really close. It was really close because you really never know with judging. You know, we've both seen fights where we were sure that one guy won and the other guy gets it from the judge. So you don't know. So, you know, in my opinion, I would have to go over and watch it again because when I call fights, I'm just calling them.

It's tough.

I'm not really scoring them.

Super tough.

It's weird because like what you're trying to do is make some entertainment out of moments and put some weight to it and express maybe to people that don't know exactly what's going on.

You're also listening to your other partners in the booth.

Right, well DC's great at that. DC's the best at explaining shit to people that don't know what's going on when it comes to like wrestling in particular, 'cause he's such an elite wrestler. And there was a lot of wrestling moments in that. So like, that's what you're doing. So you're not really judging the fight. If you're judging, you'd be silent. Like Eddie Bravo used to judge fights unofficially for the UFC in the early days. And what Eddie would do was he would write, he would have a piece of paper and draw a line down the middle for each guy. And then he would have categories. Strikes, kicks landed, punches landed, takedowns, submission attempts. He would mark all these different things. Like every time something would happen, he would mark it down. And then he would also go by who landed the most damage. And he was really good at it. Like he was very accurate in terms of like, I never disagreed with him. I was like, that makes sense.

But if your intention is to score the fight, like you don't have to be entertaining and do the commentating, I can do that. It's like I do commentate for a game, and there's a fight, fight of the night, and Jimmy Smith is going, "Who do you think won?" I said, "Dude, this isn't the time to ask because I was entertained by the fight. We're doing our thing." Right, right, right. I go home and watch it, I'll let you know exactly who won. Right. It's such a close fight, I don't know, dude.

Especially wars. Especially a crazy war. It's so hard to figure out who won. Some wars, like, listen, you know, think of like, what if Tyra and Joshua Van had made it to the end?

That's a tough one.

It's a tough one. I mean, Joshua Van definitely did more damage, 100%, which is number one thing they are supposed to, right, judge it on. So I would judge that in favor— like, we had a conversation about the Gomez fight. Who was Gomez fighting? Pat Sabatini. So Pat Sabatini was fighting Gomez, and all Pat Sabatini did was clinch him and try to take him down. Took him down a couple times, but when they were standing up, Gómez— Pat landed a few strikes, definitely. It wasn't like he was completely outclassed on the feet, but Gómez landed more. So I'm like, okay, I know Pat spent the majority of the fight in control, the majority of the fight clinching, the majority of the fight working towards the takedown.

That's how he fights.

But it was unsuccessful for the most part. Gómez bounced back up to his feet every time, never took any damage on the ground, never got close to being submitted. And then when they stood up, Gómez was the one who was going after him, landing strikes. I don't know if it was enough to win though, because it's like, there wasn't a lot of damage. It wasn't like he hit Pat and Pat got rocked and Pat went down, and there was none of that. But Gomes was doing better in the stand-up, which, when it comes to damage, that was the only damage of the fight.

But the other thing you gotta take into consideration is like, I love DC, he's one of my favorites, but DC has an extensive wrestling background, so he's usually gonna— not that he means to, but because he has such an extensive wrestling background. If you listen to Kamaru Usman, Henry Cejudo, most of them will score that fight for Khamzat because of the wrestling involved. But if you talk to someone else who doesn't have a wrestling background, it's more of a striking background, most of them score it for Strickland. So you always got to— I take it with a little bit of grain of salt when those guys, heavy wrestlers, if there's wrestling but they weren't successful, like takedowns were successful, they're like, that's a takedown. Like, but he didn't do shit with it though.

There's also the Strickland factor. There's a lot of people that he rubs the wrong way.

Boom.

And they don't want him to win because the wild shit that he says offstage. Listen, sometimes he goes too far. He said he went too far. He apologized for going too far, but goddamn, did he sell some tickets.

I like what you said. They said, don't apologize, you're selling a fight. Yeah, that's my thing too. It's like, whoa, no, no, don't apologize. Don't apologize for any of that. Because on Monday I was so excited to get in studio. I was so excited. I felt like for the first time in a long time, the UFC's back. I felt back, man.

It's like, really think the UFC has gone away?

No, no, no, I'm not saying that.

I'm saying as far as like Conor Khabib, bad blood, big time, couldn't wait, right?

Like, I, dude, I was counting, I was tech day before. I'm thinking, I can't fucking wait. I was like, I was so hyped for this fucking fight. Yeah, it just felt like, you know, those Conor days, Khabib days, those are over. But this one, the magnitude of it— and I usually can tell when a fight's gonna be really big because I'm always at baseball fields and football fields and dads will come like, dude, you think Strickland has a chance? I'm like, you watch fighting? Like, oh shit. I was like, this can be huge, dude. This can be fucking big, dude.

It was huge. And it was huge because of the way Sean sold it. 100%. Not just that Sean has a ton of fans for sure, you know, but it was the way he sold it. The chaos. People love it. They love that. And especially casuals. They love the chaos.

I love it too. I love it too.

It's fun. He makes things fun. Makes things fun.

And then people get so mad, you know, some of the stuff he says, but it's like, of course there's a lane for that. Hate to tell you, there's a lane for that. And I think Strickland, you've been around Strickland. He's a good person. Yes, he has some crazy thoughts and stuff like that, which is fine. But remember, two people go, UFC doesn't have stars. And then you get a kid like Strickland who's building his name. It's gonna be the most watched fight, one of the third most watched weigh-ins of all time. So he's trying to be a star. So you guys complain there's no stars, and then when he's doing the damn thing, you guys are hating on him, you know? So it's like, pick, pick your poison.

Well, they're hating by the way he's doing it, right? That he's making things super personal. And but this is what Conor did. I mean, that's what Conor did with Khabib. Conor crossed the line many times with Khabib.

Oh buddy, the line's here. Conor was all the way over here.

And there was no apologizing after that. I mean, that was the brawl afterwards where Khabib, you know, jumped in the crowd and fucked up Dillon Danis.

That was my favorite. That's my favorite picture of all time. I need it framed in my fucking studio. When Khabib's literally flying off the fucking cage bout the fucking— but remember before that fight, in the fight, Khabib was all professional. He was all good. As soon as that motherfucker ended, he's like, yeah, now it's time to get to work.

Yeah, dude, that is a crazy motherfucking world champion. Just got done stopping Conor McGregor and he's leaping into the fucking crowd just like his nickname.

And super—

he's the Eagle.

Yeah, the Eagle. His talons are fucking out for this lady.

I mean, you couldn't come up with a better nickname for that dude. You know how Dan Henderson has that flying punch that he landed on Bisping when Bisping was down? That's like his logo. That should be Khabib's logo.

100%. With like wings on it, like a flying eagle.

He was a fucking animal.

Dude, that was mean.

God, I love that guy.

I love him.

Oh, you know, we appreciated him while he was here, but maybe not enough.

But with Khamzat too, I also think a couple of factors that went against him on Saturday night. He's been in big fights, but he hasn't been in this big of a fight defending the middleweight title. You have this wild boy talking so much shit. So I just— I don't think he's dealt with that kind of pressure at that level. And then also, Khamzat's always kind of had a cardio issue because remember when I went to his camp, I called you, I'm like, bro, I've never seen someone so fucking— I'm talking vicious, fucking everybody up, destroying them.

I was like, oh my god.

So there's an issue with him, and I don't know what it is, where that's not translating inside the octagon.

Well, I can tell you right now, first of all, first part of the issue is the weight cut. Yes, 100%, dude. He cut 22 kilos. Listen to me, they— he got 40-something pounds. They were making it so that he was gonna fight Yuri Prochazka at 205, right? So he starts bulking up. And he's eating like a fucking animal and he's deadlifting and doing all kinds of crazy shit.

You said he was 230, I think?

He was above that. Yeah. Yeah, he was somewhere north of 230. And so then he's 230 whatever, and so then he's got to drop down to 85, which is bananas. That's so hard to do. He never got fat. So what happens? Well, your muscle gets eaten away.

Yeah.

Your body deteriorates. You can't recover. And he had a bad breakdown in the middle of the weight cut.

I heard it was horrible. Did you hear his brother today was like, yes, we thought his body was gonna shut down.

Yeah, so So they took an hour off weight cutting and then they went back and he only had like 1.2 kilos to lose at that point, which is— what is that? Was that like 5 pounds? No, no, I mean 2 pounds?

2.5 pounds, right? 2.5.

What is it? It's 2.2. Okay, so somewhere around—

he was 230.

That's a lot though. If you're already dying, you gotta lose 2 pounds of water.

Oh, it's a nightmare.

2 16-ounce bottles of water.

But when he was, let's say, 230 or maybe 235, how many weeks out was that? Do we know?

I don't know.

Because, because when Strickland beat Fluffy, they were like, hey, forget this Yair fight, you're fighting at 85. It's a few months.

It's a few months, but you know, when you have muscle and not fat, it is a problem. It's a real problem. It's not the same problem. So if you get big like Strickland gets in between fights, like Strickland, there's a lot of videos of him training where he's got almost like a belly. Yeah, he's heavy. Yeah, he makes fun of himself. Yeah. That's a different fat. That's different to lose. You can lose that. You can lose that. That's not a problem to lose. When you're bulked up, your body has decided that now you're 230 pounds and you're still working out all the time, so your body's using those muscles all the time. So if you want those muscles to shrink, they literally have to eat themselves. Yeah, so you have to fucking starve yourself, or you do a radical dehydration, which brings you to the brink of death.

That's what—

it seems like that's what he did.

Probably a factor, but my thing—

giant factor, dude.

It's a factor for sure. There's also a factor, but it's not like in the DDP fight, in these other fights, not like he's going in there tenacious, finishing guys.

Well, the DDP fight was just him in control. It was just him grappling, him in control, but no intent to finish.

That's my issue with him. True.

He just wanted to secure the win. I think it's here. What could be— it could be. And that also plays a factor when you're dealing with a guy like Sean who's so durable and has such great cardio and can take the fight into deep, deep waters and always does. Yeah, he always— he's always going after you in the final round. Like the final round with Izzy, when he's got his hands down, he's screaming at Izzy, come on, he looks better.

Yeah, he gets better as the fight goes on.

Yeah, and Izzy had noticeably faded by that final round, part of that because of the beating that he took in the first. Correct. Right, I mean, he got dropped too. Super close to stopped, probably concussed in the first, you know. I mean, that fucking straight punch that he landed where he spun Izzy's head around and then hit him with how many fucking left hands in a row? Yep, 15, 20 left hands in a row. I mean, let's count them. Yeah, let's watch that and count them because it's crazy.

He just bang, bang, bang, bang.

If you think you're gonna go and just fight normal after that, you're concussed, you compromise Probably you have a concussion.

Yes.

Just by the way he went down, his head spun around. It was a— it was a right hand, right? Wasn't a right hand?

It was a right hand. Yeah.

Picture-perfect right hand. Picture-perfect straight right. I mean, it was picture-perfect, and you don't get a cleaner, better right hand. And then blast him with all those punches in the clinch. You're gone after that. You're a shell of yourself.

You're gone. I think my thing with Khamzat too is after— again, you you could chalk it up to the weight cut. That second round when he doesn't land that takedown, falls to his back, I'm like, oh, he's cooked, dude.

I think 6 minutes into the motherfucking fight, his body was shutting down and he realized that he went real hard in the first round but doesn't have the gas tank and said, let me coast, I could survive on the bottom here, but I need to catch my breath if I'm gonna try to finish this guy. It might have been a strategy.

And he got better that third, fourth, fifth round, right?

Because the strategy might have been, listen, if I'm on my back, no big— like, he tries for a takedown, can't get it, he realized like, oh Jesus, I'm not gonna be able to fight standing up like this for 5 minutes after that first round because his body almost shut down 24 hours ago. 24 hours ago. It is the dumbest fucking thing we do in the sport where we allow these people to pretend that they weigh a certain way.

Mm-hmm.

You pretend you—

you—

oh, it's a 185-pound fight. The fuck it is.

Yeah, either one of those guys, 100% Strickland is actually a bigger guy than him.

Strickland's a big boy.

Strickland, that night in the cage, is a bigger dude.

Well, he definitely looked healthier, right? And I think part of that you could attribute to the fact that Khamzat is killing himself.

Well, what'd Khamzat say to Dana as soon as he jumped out of the cage? He goes, I'm done fighting here, I'm going to 205.

But apparently now all he's talking about is a rematch.

Back on. Yeah, it's back on. So my—

you know, so what he's got to do— love to hear— is he has got to limit his calorie intake. And he's got to literally burn the muscle off. He can't just keep dehydrating himself like that. So you'd have to talk to someone who's an expert at that. But my friend Cam Haines, when he runs these ultramarathons, what he does is he gets himself down to like 160 pounds. And the way he does it is he just limits his fucking calories and keeps working out the exact same way. And he looks terrible when he does. Yeah, he looks so tired all the time. But it's just sheer willpower gets him down to that weight. But that is slow running for days.

Correct.

That's a different thing.

We can't do that.

Right. What he's doing is exploding and moving quickly. And I— my personal opinion is you have to be biologically healthy to do that. You have to be a healthy person. You can't just be big. Right? And you're not healthy if you almost died a day ago, correct? Because that's really what's going on. And we think these— all these guys can recover, but how much do they recover? Well, they fucking for sure don't recover 100%.

Hondo, not a— that's why I'm excited for him at 205. Like, a lot of people like, oh, I don't like them. Like, if it's— oh, if the weight is an issue at 205, if he's 100% Hamsa— I know he might be a little undersized, but 100% Hamsa, bro, could be a lot better than a 70%.

That's great. Strickland ain't gonna do it. He's gonna go, you didn't make the weight the first time.

Oh, 100%.

He's gonna talk mad shit. It'll be fun. He's a fucking coward. I beat him with one arm. It's gonna get crazy. You got to fight him at middleweight, but he's got to go to some expert in losing weight.

Oh no, I'm not saying Strickland-Hamzat 205. No, no, Strickland's gonna stay at fucking 85 and dominate. No, Hamzat, he's gonna do that rematch and then that's it. He's a 205er. Well, I think he's— or to your point, he has to maintain a weight that's realistic. Yeah, still perform, but he's got to figure that out.

He's got to stop lifting weights, right? So whatever he was doing that got him up to 230 pounds or whatever, whatever he was, we're guessing, right? That's what I'd heard, that he was north, north of 230. Whatever he was doing, he's got to not do that, and he's got to do mad cardio. Just, just cardio. Like working out, like wrestling, hitting the bag, hitting pads. And cardio.

I'm a big proponent of do, do your sport, get your cardio from your sport. Like, I see it across the board. Like, I get a little, a little hesitant when I saw all these videos of Khamzat, you know, hitting the tire with the hammer and doing all these runs. Like, yeah, but I'd rather you get your cardio from actually wrestling against top-level guys and fucking get after it, dude. Because what Strickland Do you see Strickland doing all this heart rate monitor? No.

What's—

why is his cardio so good? Because he fucking spars like a madman all the time. So the Strickland you see in that training camp is the exact same motherfucker you see in the octagon. There's no issues. Meanwhile, you got these guys, you know, run their hill sprints and do all— I'd rather you get your cardio in, in your actual sport. I see it at the lower level too with, with kids. I coach football, baseball. These dads like, I don't get it, man, I'm doing the foot ladder drill with my son 5 days a week, can't catch football. I'm like, because, because we're not trying to see who has the best foot ladder, fucking who can do it the fastest. We're catching footballs.

Do you think that there's—

balls—

if you want to get better at football, 100%. But do you think that some of that stuff has a purpose?

Yes, but not, not close to the fight.

Mm, interesting.

Because usually what we would do is out, like, let's say you do have 8-week camp. Before the camp starts, we're doing a lot of that stuff. And then once we get to camp, the focus was the cardio, was getting it in, in your training.

Mm-hmm. You know who agrees with you? Aljamain Sterling. Aljamain talked about this.

Pretty good.

Pretty fucking good. How good did he look against Alal? Dude, best back control in the game.

So I— and I don't— why is he so underrated? I don't get it.

Why doesn't he get his dues?

It's fucking crazy.

It's the win, the victory where he had an injury from an illegal shot. People hated on him from then on out.

Think how good he did against Ivolov.

I know, he's amazing.

That was a fucking split decision. Some people thought he won.

Yeah, yeah, he could have easily won that fight.

That motherfucker's so good.

Yeah, Aljamain's the man. Yes. But he said that Merab does the same thing. Now, who the fuck has better cardio than Merab? I would say nobody.

Nobody alive ever in any sport I've ever seen. Maybe that guy that broke the fucking whatever, his 4-minute mile or something. But as far as what we do—

Yeah, but he ain't getting taken down. He's not getting punched in the face.

People should just go to Rob's camp like, what are you doing? He's like, I'm wrestling. I'm fucking wrestling.

He does run. He does run, and he does lift some weights every now and then, but he doesn't do any of that crazy garage stuff. And one of the guys that spoke out against the garage stuff was Cub Swanson. I shouldn't say spoke out against it, but what he did say was that when he did that, because he did some of the training lab stuff, he said he was too broken down. He said he was overtrained, and he said he was just too tired when he was going into like fight camp. Yeah, like, it's tough to recover. All the other you're still boxing, you're still kickboxing.

I have to.

You're still wrestling. And he said he did badly in those fights, which is interesting, 'cause, you know, the Marv Marinovich approach was very different with BJ Penn, and that was the best BJ Penn ever. The best BJ Penn ever, but they literally did no fight training. What they did is all plyometrics, and it's different from the stuff the training lab stuff's doing, 'cause the training lab stuff, he's doing bicycle work and all this different— because that's what Sam Calavita came from, correct? Came from a cycling background. What Marv was having him do was all plyometric stuff and just build this fucking insane machine. He's like, BJ, yeah, you already know how to fight. Fact. You're not gonna get better at fighting in 8 weeks, right? Fact. But what we can do is give you an unstoppable gas tank. And one of the things that always fucked BJ up earlier in his career is that he wasn't— when he was training himself or when he had, you know, wasn't him and his brother. It wasn't the most different things. Yeah, he's phenomenally talented and freak, freak. And one of the things that won the world, the Mundial, at 3 years into jiu-jitsu, completely freak.

Like, nobody does that.

That's why he's almost a bad example, you know I'm saying?

It's like, yeah, right. But what he— the problem with really talented people, and I'm sure you'd probably agree with me, they tend to not work as hard. Yeah, right. Like Sean, although he's a world champion, He's not a guy where you see like, oh my God, he is so talented. Like, what he does is like, no one can move that way. No one can do what he does. Like, you know, there's certain guys that are like, Sean's stuff is hard work. Hard work. So the guys that are super talented, it comes a little easier for them, and sometimes they have a harder time with the hard work because they're not used to getting beat up. They're not used to getting pressed. So when they have to do this drill where you're rotating in new sparring partners over and you're exhausted, and when you're doing that hell, they don't like that. No. So some guys avoid that shit. They just want to be tuning guys up.

Spot on.

Yeah. And so those guys, when they're fighting a Georges St-Pierre or someone of a commensurate skill level, though, they might fade.

Yep.

Because that guy got there through a different path. I mean, Georges, although he's a phenomenal athlete, one of the best wrestlers in MMA ever, and didn't even come from a wrestling background— I mean, Georges, one of the all-time greats. There's not like one thing that George would do that would make you think like, that guy's a freak athlete, there's never been anybody like him like that.

Far from it. To your point, far from it. Because I trained with George forever, and when we did, they would have us do some stuff like I did in the NFL, like sprints and vertical and the agility drills. Like nothing, nothing crazy.

No, but BJ was— BJ was crazy.

BJ's crazy.

BJ could do stuff where you're like, how the fuck can you do that? BJ could jump out of a pool and, and land easy. You know, BJ can— he has insane flexibility, like the way he moves his legs. His balance is nuts. There's a video of someone trying to take him down, and they have a single, and they are driving across the cage, and he's on one leg hopping with zero fear of being taken down.

Like, but to your point, like, BJ's that talented. Jon's another one.

Yep. Where it's like, right, right, exact, exact Perfect.

So fucking talented.

So fucking talented. And then the difference being, like, Jon always figured out a way to win. And Jon, if he had a bad camp for one fight, he would come back in the next fight and really fucking put it to somebody. Yeah, right. Like the Gustafsson fight. First fight with Gustafsson, he doesn't train at all. I talked to Craig Jackson, he's like, he barely showed up at all. Barely showed up in the gym.

And then has a 5-round war.

And pulls it out in the final 2 rounds. It's crazy. Gets taken down for the first time. We see him get taken down by Gustafsson, like, oh my God, Gustafsson might be the man, and Jon pulls it out. So the second fight comes around and Jon trains hard. Fuck him up. And Jon fucks him up. I mean, fucks him up in a way like, this is what would have happened if I tried. Yeah, if I prepared the way you prepared, this is what you get.

This is how it goes.

You get a fucking beating. You know, and this is the dance of like who's the greatest of all time. And that's why the argument in most people's eyes is that John is the greatest of all time, because John was all those things— super talented. And when push came to shove and he had to get back in, into work and get— he would do it. He would do it. And he would pull it off against DC. He would pull it off. The Stipe fight was I think that was not Stipe. That was—

No, that's when you— like, when you talk about his resume, you're like, "All right." You know?

Stipe is the Stipe that, you know, ran through the heavyweight division. The Stipe that knocked out Alistair Overeem, that beat Fabricio Werdum for the title. Beat Francis when Francis was just crushing everybody. And I think that took a lot out of his chin, that Francis fight.

Oh, that changed him forever, I think.

'Cause DC knocks him out right after that. And, you know, wasn't the biggest punch in the world. No, it was a big punch, but I mean, he had taken bombs from Francis.

Yeah, back to Jon being the greatest of all time. It's like when you look at his resume, it's just like, yeah, fuck, phenomenal.

Wow, phenomenal. Youngest ever UFC champion.

Crazy. But as far as like, other than Josh Barnett—

did Josh Barnett win it earlier?

No, I think Jon's the youngest.

Jon's the youngest. And Josh Barnett was the youngest.

Joshua Vann's second now, right?

So Josh Barnett won the heavyweight title at what, 24?

Yeah. And those boys were— well, it didn't—

they strip him for steroids when everyone was doing steroids. That is—

it's like when WWE guys get busted, you're like, oh, come on, like, bitch, you ain't testing everybody.

You just don't like Josh.

Way to get him out. I love Josh. It's a way to get him out. But yeah, back to John, it's like you look at his resume, greatest to ever do it. Yeah, beat the very best in Murderers Row.

Murderers Row.

Yeah, now, you know, it's not even comparable to today's light heavyweight and heavyweight. But then you don't think so? No. Well, listen, close.

When Alex—

especially at heavyweight—

when Alex was the light heavyweight champion, it's certainly comparable. Alex as the light heavyweight champion, the Alex that beat Magomedov, the Alex that knocked out Yuri Prochazka, the Alex that starches everybody, that fucked up Jamal Hill— like, that Alex Pereira and Jon Jones in his prime would have been insane. That would have been insane. Oh man. Tough to beat the wrestling of Jon. Like, Jon's wrestling was on a totally different level.

His reach, his IQ.

His IQ.

The wrestling would be tough wrestling.

Look at what he did to Cyril Gane.

Crazy.

I mean, he avoided the shots. He read him like a book.

Bullied him.

Bullied him. Got a hold of his neck and like, I'll take that.

But dude, if you go back and look at Jon, my fighting years too, you look at that light heavyweight division, 1 through fucking 15, good luck.

That's—

Especially heavyweight.

True, but—

Good fucking luck.

But at light heavyweight, okay, so— Not a lot of those guys are ranked in the top 10. How do you think Yuri— how— well, let's, let's think of Alex. How do you think Alex would have done against Gustafsson?

Very tough fight for him.

You think so? Gustafsson in his prime? Yeah, I think so.

Yeah.

And do you think that based on the Teixeira fight? Because he pieced up Glover, remember that fight? Yeah, that was a video game combination. He knocked out—

Alex is one of those guys similar to DC that when Jon just reigned as champ, it's like if If Alex was just born at a different time, maybe 5 years before, 5 years after, he's our Jon Jones. He was so fucking talented. Huge, 6'6", 6'7", great wrestling, great world-class boxing, good at everything, dude. Great cardio.

Just in the division with the GOAT.

You're fucked. You got fucked. Your mom and dad decided to have sex same time Jon and his parents did.

Look at what happened with Ilia Topuria. Think about the guys. That he's fighting. Think about Max Holloway, think about Charles Oliveira, think about Alexander Volkanovski, and he has blasted all of them into orbit. All three of them. First guy ever to stop Max. It's like, you will— you— if you're in that guy's division, what are you gonna do? Especially at 45. I don't know what it's gonna be like at 55. Obviously the Oliveira fight was a one-punch knockout, but that was such a bad knockout. Crazy knockout. But when you see him and Justin next to each other, like, whoa, Justin is quite a bit bigger.

Just a big cat.

He's quite a bit bigger.

Like, that's a tough fight.

It's, it's a different fight than Oliveira. It's different. But, but fuck, then you see what Oliveira was able to do to Max. You're like, good lord, like, Oliveira is a fucking beast.

He was phenomenal.

And he couldn't do none of that to Ilia.

Yeah, the only thing with all that is like the, the 55 division, everyone's— no one's in the prime. Like, Charles is in his prime when he beat him. Justin's definitely not in his prime. Max isn't in his prime. They're all good. They're fucking good, but not prime prime, right? And the issue is, is Ilia's just getting to his prime.

Yeah, just getting to his prime, emerging, and already one of the greatest of all time.

He's a fucking problem.

Yeah, he's so smart and so disciplined and so like completely focused and dialed in. Great at everything. Great at everything. And the crazy thing is, didn't even start as a striker. Started as a grappler.

Now his toughest matchup is Arman Tsaroukian. That's the motherfucking fight.

100%.

Oh, that— but that's what— that's what I was gonna say with Hamzat. He's not active. I know I'm jumping around a little bit, but with Hamzat, I think one of his issues with whatever's going on inside that octagon— weight cut, 100%. Clearly there seems to be a mental block when it comes to finishing fights because he's worried about gassing out. R.A.F., dude, take a page out of fucking Tsaroukian's book. Just wrestle all the— Surukin, I think he's wrestled like 8 times this fucking year. No, just fucking dudes up, making all the money. It makes 6 figures every time he fucks somebody up, but he's active. He's staying active, staying competing, competing. And the UFC's going, yeah, go ahead and do it. So for Khamzat, yeah, dude, cuz he fights once a fucking year, which is not good, dude, right? So it's like, stay active over there. Stay active like, like Arman Surukin's doing. Well, your weight down.

Yeah, I don't know if he's interested in doing that. He signed with Yeah, but what was the fight that they signed that he was gonna— he was gonna wrestle somebody? Who was it? Do you remember?

I think they want to toss him like an Olympian, which I— which is it. That's where it gets dicey.

Yeah, here's my fear. There was a recent event. There was a very weird event. I don't know who did it, but it was kicks to the leg, punches to the body, and jiu-jitsu. Have you seen that?

No, get the fuck out of my face.

It was weird. Yeah, so Gleison Tibau was fighting I apologize, I don't remember who he's fighting. And he takes this guy down and the guy catches— he, you know, he's trying to avoid the takedown. He catches his knee in a weird way and it blows out. So that could happen to fucking anybody.

Wrestling's a little safer though.

I don't know about that. This was in the wrestling exchange that he took him down.

Yeah, but those guys aren't exactly like high-level wrestlers.

True. You know, like, you're like—

the RAF has its top-tier shit.

Oh yeah, no doubt.

So good.

No doubt. It's so good. Wrestlers blow their knees out all the time.

True.

It's just a part of the craziness of explosive movement, and a guy is coming after you.

It's kind of what you sign up for. So for Hansaad, it's like, dude, we can't fight fucking once a year, and they have weight issues, and clearly there seems to be a mental block, and you get finishes because your cardio— let's do RAF. Let's get this rolling. Keeps your weight down, keeps you active, also keeps you in the limelight. Like, Arman has blown the fuck up, dude.

True.

He's a massive star now.

True. Especially online. I don't know how much that translates to the general public. That's a great point. That's great. It's for dorks like us. Dorks like us.

Good fucking point. We are some dorks.

Oh, Ryden is nuts. He beat Giorgio twice. That's such a good point. Is it Lance Palmer, the wrestler that he tech-falled, which is nuts?

Nuts. Uriah Faber threw over the fucking thing.

That was crazy. Why'd you do that? What if you both got hurt? What if you hurt Uriah?

He's a bit of a meathead.

Well, he's a psychopath. Yeah, he's a full-on psychopath. I mean, he's rich, dude. He's so rich, literally wealthy.

Do you see him on that stream? They go, so like, if you want to like buy a car, like $500,000 car, what do you do? He goes, I just call my dad.

Yeah, his dad's like a billionaire. He's got tons of money, but he's not savage lazy at all.

No, he's like—

he flies in the face of this like long-standing belief that we all had that if you come from a rich family, you can't be a great fighter.

He's Batman.

It doesn't matter if he came— you come from the ghetto, he's gonna fuck you up.

He does not give a fuck.

Like, some fucking dude's like, I'm from the favelas, you know, like, good luck.

Cool, man.

Good luck with that fucking Armenian psychopath.

Yeah, and he's pulling up in a Maybach. Yeah, caviar.

He gets shit. He pulls into LA. I watch his YouTube videos. He's training, you know, shows him training and all the different stuff that he does.

He, he—

when he lands in LA, he goes immediately to an exotic rental car place and rents a Lamborghini and drives it to the training lab. Like, it's fucking— it's not the way it's supposed to work, but he pulls it off, bro. Good luck with that guy. Good luck with that guy.

Go ahead and make fun of him for being rich.

Like a Greek god. Yeah, can wrestle like a fucking elite top-tier wrestler, and he can strike, and he can submit you. Good luck. And he's angry because he, he's denied a shot at the title because he hurt his back when he was getting ready to fight Ilia, which is the best thing that ever happened to him. You think so?

Yeah, because look how much— because he— we were fucking dorks and we knew who he was, but the general like, especially online, knowing his profile's so big now. I think it's just with dorks.

I mean, I think—

but those dorks equal sponsorship. Yeah, money.

Well, here's the deal. There's only one compelling fight. Look at the fucking build on this cat. That is not a guy that grew up with a billionaire dad who could just go buy a fucking Lamborghini with his credit card if he wants.

He's Bruce Wayne, but his parents are still alive.

It's not—

there's no reason to be upset.

Well, I'll tell you what, Armenians, look at What the fuck? Shut the fuck up, man.

Great body.

Just shut up.

Great body.

That's ridiculous.

Great body.

That makes me want to just quit and eat fucking potatoes all day.

Or get you in that fucking kind of shape.

Yeah, I'm kidding.

Yeah.

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If Justin beats Ilia, it is not only one of the greatest upsets of all time, It is one of the greatest caps to a career of all time. Like, if he, all through what he's been through, wins the interim title, wins the BMF title, if he does that and caps his career off, you go, fuck yeah, dude, way to go out, brother.

If he beats Ilia Topuria at UFC Freedom 250 in front of Donald Trump, he's the only American that gets the belt. It's bigger. It's beyond just MMA, UFC. Yeah, Miracle on Ice, fuck off. This is— imagine the headlines, dude.

Yes. And if he beats that guy, bro, in his prime, who's knocking everyone to the shadow realm, he says to Charles Oliveira, I'm sorry it has to be you, has a celebration party the night before the fight.

Had a party?

Had a party.

Was drinking wine and shit?

No, he wasn't. Was he?

Yeah, pretty sure he's drinking wine.

No, I think it was water.

Nah, I'm pretty sure he's drinking wine. Imagine that fucking psychopath. And he gets starched.

Yeah, and he's got that beautiful fucking Spanish accent.

Yeah, dude, just checks all boxes.

Checks all the boxes.

It's such a tough fight for Justin, but I'm rooting for— I love both of them, but just for the sheer fact of, again, I like chaos at that, in front of the weird elites watching the fight. You don't know what the fuck's going on. It's gonna be great if Justin pulls it off.

Yeah, if Justin pulls it off, it'd be one of the greatest upsets of all time, one of the greatest victories of all time. And if he does just retire Taporia plans to celebrate before the Gaethje clash at the White House. Of course he's gonna celebrate, whatever he's doing. That's his move, whatever he does. Doing it again, massive celebration dinner the night before his lightweight bout. We're gonna celebrate before the fight. Actually, we have everything organized. My team has already taken care of that. That's a mindfuck and a half when you're in your hotel room, you know, and you're just fucking scrolling on Instagram thinking about 24 hours from now you're gonna be fighting, and you're like, what's, what's this asshole doing? Oh, he's fucking standing on top of a table dancing.

That's how That's how sure he is he's gonna beat the fuck out of you.

He's eating spaghetti and fucking doing a salsa dance. Like, what the fuck are you talking about, man?

Yeah, and when— did you see when all the fighters were at the White House? Trump's like, "I thought you liked this guy." Yeah.

You know, you're like, "Oh, fuck." Because why would you give your friend his toughest test?

Yeah.

Yeah. Well, for Gaethje, that's the last fight. I mean, if this is really gonna be his last fight, that is the last fight.

And it's smart. It's smart, 'cause that Paddy fight is, you know, entertaining fight for the casuals. As far as technical-wise, it was so sloppy, man. It was just so sloppy.

But Justin told me that that's what he wanted to do, which he should do. He just wanted to just go fuck you and just come at him and just throw caution to the wind and just almost fight like he did like back in the PFL days.

World Series of Fighting, that's what it was, right?

Yeah, that's right.

That's exactly what he should be doing, and that's exactly what he should have done. And then for Paddy, it was a sloppy fight, but he got the job done. But you can tell like like— and it's all good, this isn't a knock on Justin— all the years, all the wars, one of the greatest careers we've ever seen, it catches up with you.

100%, it has to.

And now here's Ilia Topuria. But again, I bet Justin wouldn't have it any other way. You have an opportunity to pull off one of the biggest, if not the biggest upset we've ever seen. And Trevor Whitman, fucking White House—

Justin has an awesome series, The Art of Violence, I think it's called. It's on YouTube, and it's all talking about him preparing. It's all videos of him training. And Trevor Wittman's in it, and Trevor was saying, we love being the underdog, we love it. And he talked about being the underdog with Rose Namajunas when she beat Joanna Jedrzejczyk.

Sure.

When she beat Yong Wei Li, same thing. Like, that they love being the underdog in those situations. Like, stopping Wei Li was nuts.

Crazy.

You know, that she was the underdog, head kicks her.

Yeah. Yep, crazy.

And that—

this is a little different, but I hear you.

It is different, different, but it is— it's similar in ways. Zhang Weili is— because Zhang Weili was fucking everybody up.

Scary.

There's no one like her. The physicality of her at strawweight, she was a fucking monster. Like, her training was bananas. Crazy. I'd watch her training, I'd go, good lord, who's gonna beat her? She's like—

her shoulders and shit.

But the way she trained, she trains like a dude. Yeah, like an angry dude, you know what I mean?

Like, women haircut to show it.

And it's not a knock on the way women train. I'm not saying that. I'm saying like the ferocity was like she's filled with testosterone.

Hiya! Hiya! Hiya!

Like she's trying to kill somebody.

Probably is, Joe. She might be.

It might be natural. It might have slipped something into her noodles.

Do you see that one fighter who got busted? And she goes, oh man, yeah, I was, uh, I took my husband's vitamins. It just had these steroids.

Yeah, my husband. She threw her husband under the bus for taking steroids.

Fucked up.

Is he an active fighter?

I don't, I don't think so. Is he? No, he's probably just some meathead. He's like, yeah, I guess.

I hope so.

Yeah, me too.

Because if he's an active fighter, he'd be like, what the fuck?

Now we're both fucked.

Yeah, yeah. Say somebody gave you the wrong thing.

Yeah, but back to Whaley and, uh, and Rose. Rose. The difference with that is Rose was still pretty in her prime there.

Yes, 100%. That's, that's a good point. That's a good point. Real good point. Um, Justin's not in his prime, but damn, he didn't look like he lost a step in the Paddy Pimblett fight. He looked like he just was just being an animal. And Pimblett's fucking good, man. You see what Pimblett did to Bobby Green, and granted Bobby Green's not quite at the same level, although he looked fucking good. You look good against Jeremy Stephens.

He keeps doing the damn thing.

But also that style is so fun, talking shit, pointing at you.

It's fun, man.

So fun.

He's one of my faves.

So fun. How about at the end of the fight when I'm interviewing him, he's like, come walk with me, and he takes me over to Dana. He's like, yo, Dana!

Yeah, he wants that bonus. They've never given him a bonus.

He was just talking about how he's one of the most exciting fighters that's ever done it.

He's awesome.

I'm like, everybody knows that. He's like, why didn't I get my fucking bonus?

Yeah, but I'm kind of with Dana on the bonus. Dana goes, well, we do it also your strength of your opponent.

Like, Zell Huber was good, dude. He beat Zell Huber in his last fight. What happened? That last fight, he should have got a bonus for that one. That's what he was talking about.

Well, but for this last fight, right, for his last fight, you know, he fought Jeremy Stephens. Great fight, great fighter, but you know, compared to like the other guys on the card, yeah, that's why Dana's like, well Well, no, but he was complaining about not getting a bonus in his last fight.

That's why he wanted a bonus in this fight. He was saying this because I even asked him, I go, you didn't get a bonus for his Zell Huber fight?

He got $25K, right? Because I didn't—

they changed him.

If you get a finish, no matter what you get. But he wanted the big boy, the big boy.

Yeah, yeah. I'd hate— I hate all of it. I hate people that have to ask for bonuses. It's, you know, look, the money is there, right? We know the money's there. There. Like, this is a $7 billion deal. I'm not a businessman, I'll say that right now. If I was running the UFC, the stockholders, they would fucking kick me out. Yeah, shareholders would all be fired. Yeah, I wouldn't— you don't want me—

Affliction. Yeah, you don't want that.

You don't want me running— no— the UFC because I treat it like I was a communist.

I'm also— yeah, me too. I'm also a little more careful the way I talk about it too because I don't know their books. I don't know how to run a giant company like that. I assume with $7.7 billion, I'm like, I feel like we could give some over here. But then if you talk to somebody in the know, they're like, oh, do you? Well, look at this motherfucker. I'm like, oh, my bad.

Okay, now this is not a knock on Ari Emanuel, but it was reported that he made $67 million last year.

He worked very hard.

I'm sure he did, but that was from the UFC, from TKO, right? That was his payout, and he's got a bunch of other things going on. He's a very successful guy.

But is he the reason they sold for $7.7 billion?

He's a big part, a big part, 100%. And the big— and also he took the big chance in purchasing it for $2 billion, which was a big deal. You know, the whole thing is like, this is why you're in business. I think fighting is different than any other business. And the reason why I say this, and you could speak to this more than anybody, you are putting your health on the line in a way that is not required in any other business other than maybe football football and boxing and kickboxing. You're putting your health on the line in a way that's different than any other business. You are the only thing that people are tuning in for. There's— without the fighters, there is no UFC. It doesn't exist, correct? It is the entire product. The, the thing you're selling is entirely fighters, and it's fighters that operate for a short window of their time, they have 10 years or whatever they have, and, and when they get out, you know, we've all talked about guys that are mumbling now. You can't understand what the fuck they say. You see like tics that they have, and guys who have neurological problems, memory problems.

It's real. So I don't think we should think of it like any other business because the entire business model is these guys' bodies, and the consequence is their health, and it's for the rest of their life. And so if you're doing something that is, is generating a significant amount of money for a very short amount of time, I think you should get a lot of money for that. If you are one of those people, the amount of money that is left over for the other people, the people that are making the money, that put the money in, they should still get a lot of money, which is why they did it in the first place. But I don't think the balance is correct. Now I am biased, right? Because again, I'm not a businessman, but I have a deep empathy for people who put themselves in front of harm and, and try to chase that glory for our entertainment, for the sport that we love. And I, I think they should be compensated more.

Yeah, I don't, I don't think you're— I mean, obviously we're biased because we love fighters and I was a fighter. It's not about being biased, it's, it's just fairness. It's fairness. It's fairness in the marketplace. And well, the thing is, it's such a dicey thing. I know people hate when I bring up fighter talk, and I get sick of it too because I don't know what you can really do. Because I—

I— simple—

well, I go, is it though? Because here's the thing, people will go, okay, they've made $7.7 billion, here's, here's their overhead, we don't know what's going on. But it's like, if the UFC is the only, the only sports, combat sports promotion to ever make money ever, right? Nobody else has ever done it better or made profit. So my thing is like, is this, is this what it— is this just what it is? I know some people like, you're such an idiot, they have this leftover money. I hear you, but all I'm saying is there's PFL, Bellator, Affliction, World Series— there, we can go through the list— ONE Championship. None of them are around. Some are on like their last Like, no one's ever been able to sustain it. So all I'm— and I'm not saying we don't deserve more fucking money. All I'm saying is, is this just how it goes in the fight business? I don't know. I'm not a businessman. I know people are yelling right now, you're fucking it. I'm just saying, I don't think it's— is fighting different where, hey man, that's just— it's not the NFL, it's not the NBA, it's not MLB.

In order for us to continue this rise, this is what it is. It's 18% to the fighter. I don't know, Joe. Okay, well, that's what I'm saying. I don't—

good points. First of all, let's just give the UFC its flowers because without— I love the kids say that these days, give it flowers. Yeah, good saying.

Have your daughter started using buns yet?

Oh yeah, they use that.

Yeah, I just found my son's—

buns is bad.

Yeah, I didn't know. I got a new truck, my son's like, I think it's buns. I'm like, is that good?

What's that?

It's ass.

Yeah, I know, but buns are always like cute buns.

Yeah, I know.

Yeah, we're young Jamie.

Yeah, Jamie. But what were you saying?

Um, the UFC is the greatest organization in combat sports history, period. There's nothing even close. The product is so much better than any boxing promotion. And my friends that I've brought to the UFC that are boxing fans, like my friend Josh Dubin, he was like, the fucking production's incredible. He goes, it's so much more exciting than any boxing event. It's so much better.

Better.

That is 100% true. They've also been a consolidated organization forever, right? I mean, it was a different owner, it was Bob Meyerowitz back in the day in '97 when I worked for them. But from 2021 on, so for the last 25 fucking years, it's been Zuffa, right? They sold Zuffa, now Zuffa sold to Ari Emanuel, TKO, and— but the same people are running it, right? It's still Dana White, it's still all these people behind the scenes. That's another conversation. Yeah, it's It's still me and DC and Michael Bisping and all the other people that are doing commentary and, you know, Dominick Cruz and Paul Felder and Laura Sanko. It's still— the team's the same. The team behind the scenes is the same. It's so polished. There's never a problem. When I show up at the UFC, everything's so smooth. You go in, say hi to everybody. I show my badge to the fucking security people. I say hi. We sit down, everything is smooth. We got a hit in 5 minutes. Okay, great. Everybody's there. The sound guy's on point. Well, everything is on point. So easy. And it's like the production in the truck is so fucking good.

They always have the right angle. Giordano's always on the case when it comes to like getting the right angle for a submission or getting the right angle for replays. If I ask for something, I got it right away. Like, like I'll push the button button, you know, let me hear his corner. Yeah, because it's boom, they're right on it. It's— they're the best.

High level.

They're the best.

The best.

And you notice that when you see other promotions, it's like the other promotions, the camera works on as good. It's like things are good. It's— the machine is so good. And it's become like the NFL. Like, I know the XFL exists. I've never even fucking heard of a game. I've never even heard of a game.

Name one player.

No one's even brought up a game that's gonna happen.

Never.

I know That's the thing.

Never.

And the problem with casuals, that's the same with the PFL. Even though the PFL's fucking got really good fighters, there's really good fighters in the PFL.

Far cry from the UFC, but yeah, some of them are really good, man.

That cat that just knocked out Hennif Farrar, the guy who's the heavyweight that is Fedor's protégé.

Oh yeah, yeah, the Russian cat.

Bro, he's good, bro.

He's good.

In the UFC's fucking shallow-ass heavyweight division, we could use that.

We could use him.

I'd like to show up at that dude's hotel room with a fucking briefcase full of money. Like, let's go, dog.

But yeah, my thing with the UFC, and when you talk about the staff, and you got to give them their flowers, they're the only one that's figured it out.

They're the best.

By far.

The best organization by far. And they deserve to be rich because of that. They've made an incredible product.

So do the fighters, though.

I think your product is entirely dependent on the fighters. Now, this is my position with my comedy. Club. So my comedy club pays different than every comedy club. The fighter— the fighters— the comedians make most of the money when it comes to the door. That's how it should be.

Let me ask you this, Joe, and if it's too much, like, dude, get the fuck out. But is your— is the Mothership compared to the Comedy Store, the Improv, are you guys crushing them?

It's doing really well. I mean, the Comedy Store is always gonna be one of the great clubs on earth. It's a legendary club. It's dependent upon who's there. There. The difference between the way The Comedy Store does it and the way we do it is that we bring in national headliners for the weekend. Like the weekend it might be Dave Attell. Yeah, this week is Tony Rock.

Is there another club that does that? Is there— Comedy Store's a little different. You have your regulars. Is there another club that does that?

Sure, most clubs do that for the weekends, but the thing is they don't have the same lineup for the weekdays.

Yeah, I know.

The weekdays we've got Shane Gillis, Ron White, Tony Hinchcliffe. Kill Tony's there every Monday. It's a different—

that's what I'm saying. Is there anybody doing that because the comics have to be— this is my whole point is, what, however you run your business, it's like, is the model where you're doing it where the comics are making the majority of the money, is that a sustainable business?

100%. It makes money.

If we take it— if we take Joe Rogan out of it and you and some dude wants to start a club and did the same thing, is that gonna be profitable?

No, you have to have the talent. But that's the difference. It's like the thing with the PFL versus the UFC. You have to have the talent talent, right? And the reason why our club works is because everything— look, it's pure luck. It's pure luck. Everything had to line up. We had to hit every green light. It had to— COVID had to happen. The Comedy Store had to get shut down. All the employees from the Comedy Store had to get fired. We had to not be able to do stand-up in LA. I had to be worried about my family and like the crime and the riots Hits. And then the COVID shit where everyone was wearing a mask. I was like, this is bananas. And then moving to Texas or just visiting Texas.

But you got to give yourself credit.

Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But you were also the guy that had the idea to do it. Yeah. Most people wouldn't pull that trigger. You didn't have to do that.

That is true. But it's a lot of luck because it had to happen at the right time. It had to happen at a time in my career where I had a lot of money, you know. So it happened— I had to happen when the Spotify deal took place. So I had all this money. Yeah. And then it all had a lineup where I was already the number one podcast in the world, so I could easily people to come.

Because of you, Joe?

I understand the light thing. I get it, but it had to line up.

Are you humble?

No, no, no, it's— I'm just being honest. Like, it had to line up, so I couldn't have done it on my own. I had to come here, and Ron White was already here. So Ron White's a big reason why the club— I mean, he's one of the main reasons why I moved here.

No, I know.

Because I was like, yeah, even if I never do comedy again, and I was really wondering if we were ever gonna do comedy again, Ron's here. I'll hang out with Ron. We'll have laughs.

Yeah.

So when I moved here and then all of a sudden Tony moved here and then Tom Segura moved here and Brian Simpson moved here and Hasan moved here and Derek Poston moved here and it was like, oh shit, we got something cooking. And then Tim Dillon came here and then it was like, oh my God. And then Duncan Trussell moved here. I was like, holy shit.

Well, they're moving because you're here.

I understand, but they had—

You're the mothership.

Right. But they had to do it before the mothership even opened. Take it slow.

Right.

They all moved before the mothership opened. Shane moved after the mothership opened. But they all came in early and trusted me.

Yes.

And so I was like, okay, these guys, I owe them whatever. They took a chance with their future. I have to throw everything into this, and all together we'll do it.

Yeah.

So it's our club. It's really our club. But it had to happen in a way where I had this disposable money. I had disposable income where I could do it and it wouldn't hurt me. Me. Yeah. And then I could set it up in a way where the comics make so much money, so that way you encourage people to stay. So there's so many people that are there all week long during the week, they don't have to go do shows other places. They can make money at their home club.

You're doing it right. But I guess my example, like, can the UFC do that? Because, because my example for you, it's like, can these other comic clubs do that and sustain and grow and have money?

They could in New York, and they might be able to do it in LA. So I don't think you could do it in LA right now because the stores are open, and The Store is always going to be the premier club in the world. It's always legendary. So it's on Sunset Strip. Even though LA's falling apart, it's still the legendary destination for stand-up comedy. It's one of the main reasons why I was excited to move to LA. It was Mecca. It was— when I was a beginner and an open mic'er in 1988, they would talk about The Store like it was Mecca, like you had to go to The Store.

They still do though. I don't think that's ever going away.

Of course. It's, you know, the Store comes and goes in cycles, like it always does. It always goes in cycles depending on who's in town, who's there. It's a very— it's all comedy clubs are dependent upon what talent is in town during the weekdays. And if you don't bring in talent on the weekends, that's the difference. Like, so the Store doesn't bring in headliners for the weekend like the way our club does. I told Scott, Scott Shore, I was like, I think— no, it was Peter, sorry. I told Peter Shore, I was like, I think I think you guys should do that. I think you should like—

But do they have to though? Because you can still go on a Saturday night and you'll see, you know, big names.

You will, but you could have those people there still as well. Like they could also do shows with that person and you have two other rooms.

And that's what you guys are doing.

You have the OR and you have the belly room. You have three rooms in one location. Like you could still have the OR filled with top talent because they don't give a fuck where they're performing in the big stage or the little stage. In fact, most of us prefer the little stage. The OR is an amazing room. Yeah, but the thing is, it's like you have to have enough talent in town, and a lot of people moved out of LA. A lot of people moved out. Yeah, Joey Diaz moved out of LA. Like, a lot of people moved out of it. Theo moved out. A lot of people moved out. So the problem is you would have to have enough talent there, and then you'd have to have talent that was there all the time, like us. Like, we're at the club all the time.

I think— and going back to if the UFC could do this. Like, they're profiting so much now, there's no reason to.

That's the other issue. This is the problem.

You wanna hear my idea though?

Rational.

You wanna hear my idea?

Yeah.

And you might be like, you're out of your fucking mind.

Okay.

And it's— and again, I'm not anti-UF— nothing. You cut my fucking wrist right now, Bob O'Reilly spills out. I fucking bleed UFC. It made my entire career.

Yeah.

When that Paramount deal was announced, and you know I'm a wild boy, when that Paramount deal was announced, what I would have done done is— and this is the issue why things will never change— I would have talked to all the managers, all the fighters, and said, we're not fighting another fight. They just signed this huge deal, $7.7 million. If you guys want to get your equal share, nobody's agreeing to a fight bout, to a fight card, unless we get— I don't know, someone's gonna figure out— 30%. So it's 18% right now.

If we go up 30%, which they're still gonna have profit.

If they agree to that, then we'll fight. But they— there's no deal if we don't fight, right? Those days are over now. So you missed the mark. Now you're gonna say, yeah, but they can get other guys to do that. And I'm saying across the board, we all agree as fighters, we're not gonna fucking move an inch.

If you can get fighters to agree to that, it would work.

That's the problem.

It'll never happen. Not in a million years.

That was my idea.

Then here's the other thought that Dana White has this thought about fighters that when they get paid too much and they get rich, their careers end earlier. But that's, that's the other Arman Tsaroukian, and he's right.

Yeah, and he's right. Well, there's Arman, who's Bruce Wayne, but for the most part, he's right. Go through anybody's career.

He's kind of right, he's kind of right, but it doesn't matter. That's on them.

Yeah, agree.

That's on them.

Yeah, that's fair.

Yeah, I mean, he's right, but you can't protect them for— unless you have a bonus that you're gonna pay them out when they retire, and then they're not gonna do that.

But the other thing, I think Sean Shelby said this, might have been McManus, one of them was like, the other issue we have is when guys get paid a lot and then we offer them fights, we're not getting the fights we want to make. Once they have that goose egg, like, I'm not fighting that fucking guy. I know, but again, you can't base it off of that because I'm sure there's some guys who will do it. Yeah, you fuck with him, but it's not a reason not to pay him.

Listen, it's all— this is hippie talk, but I feel like if I would— if I was on— if I owned the UFC, I would not feel good if people didn't feel compensated correctly. This is just my feeling, and I'm not a good businessman. If you want to be a good businessman, you got to make the most money possible.

I don't know, Joe, you've done pretty fucking well, Bubba.

A lot of A lot of luck.

You gotta quit saying luck, you're driving me nuts.

No, but it is. You're driving me nuts.

You work harder than anybody else.

Well, I work hard when I— listen, I stick with things and I have a good work ethic. That is true.

But that's half the battle, bubba.

Yeah, but I'm not like a businessman in the sense of like if I was running a business like that, I wouldn't treat it the same way. I wouldn't say I'm trying to make the most money possible. I would say I got money and let's just make this motherfucker the greatest thing of all time and make everybody feel good about it.

Yeah, but again, I don't know the ins and outs. I don't know if you can run an organization like that and be profitable. I don't know.

Well, it'd be profitable, but it wouldn't be as profitable. Yeah, that's the thing when you have shareholders. So when you have shareholders, you have an obligation to your shareholders to maximize your profits.

And, and this is, this is the only knock on the UFC I have, is in order to get that $7.7 billion deal, you have to put on whatever it is, 45 fight cards a year.

Right.

So like those fight nights. So now you don't really have the talent or the stars to fulfill those cards, but because you made this deal with Paramount, now you're getting just, you know, you're signing these Contender Series kids who have 3 fights, 4 fights, where 10 years ago those boys ain't sniffing the UFC. It was so hard to get in. But now because we have to fulfill those cards, you're getting a lower level of talent.

Yeah. Well, here's what's interesting. So, um, one of the players in the purchasing of the UFC, of the rights of the UFC, was Netflix. They're one of the players. They're one of the people that were thinking about doing it. So there was negotiations with them, there's negotiations with ESPN, and ultimately Paramount was like this wild dark horse that came around with the big money.

And I like Paramount. I have no issues.

Yeah, look, I love—

ads are weird, but whatever.

I love Mobland. I love Landman. Yeah, Mobland is fucking great. Ever watch that? Fuck yeah.

Fuck yeah.

Audrey?

Is there an RS6 in that? Yeah, that's dope, right? I too want one so bad.

Me too.

I was trying to convince my wife to get one.

I never wanted a wagon until I saw Tom Hardy drive that.

I know, it's sick. They're fucking sick. They're so sick.

It's a great show.

Yeah.

But Paramount has awesome shows, so it makes sense. I already had it. Great, perfect. I love the fact there's no pay-per-view. But what's interesting about Netflix not doing it, 'cause I think Netflix didn't want the, I might be talking out of school, but I'll just say it. I believe what I heard I've heard— take this— here's the caveat— is that Netflix did not want the small fights. They did not want fight nights.

Good for them.

They only wanted the big ones.

They're like, get that shit out of here.

Well, some of the fight nights are fucking awesome.

We like them because we're degenerates, right? The public's like, who the fuck are these guys?

Apex, there's no one there.

Yeah, I love that Netflix is like, we'll take these.

I love the Apex fights. I've been planning on going to an Apex fight card. I'm trying to find the right one. Just to go and watch. I'll go with you. Let's fucking go.

I would love that.

I just want to go to watch because they'll let you in if you come with me.

Yeah. I feel like I don't have any enemies there anymore.

I kind of stood by the fact they didn't want the volume.

That's it.

That's how they said it, which we understood from the get-go. Ted Sarandos, who I love, Bella Bajaria, I don't know her, were very upfront with that. We're looking for big events. So the fact that you could give us one pay-per-view, which is just we were just going to put on the platform for free as long as you're a subscriber, as long as you just give us that, we're in, we'll pay premium for it, but we don't want to carry the other 30 fight nights.

They said we don't want the bullshit. Yeah, here's the thing, but then where would those 30 fight nights go?

That's the question.

But then, then that fulfills PFL, Bellator, or you—

Fight Pass.

Yeah, Fight Pass could do that. But to, again, the business side of it, the Zuffa or TKO is going, well, hold on, the reason we get such a big nut, $7.7 billion, 'Cause we offer so much content.

Right.

You guys are trying to do what our game plan was 15 years ago, which are just one big fight every, every once a month, which for the fans is fucking awesome.

It makes sense for Zuffa, and it makes, it makes sense for Netflix. I get it. All of it made sense.

It just wasn't a fit.

But what I was getting at is now it's interesting because Netflix has got a lot of money. Netflix throws some money around, right? And Netflix has a tremendous amount of subscribers. And now Netflix is in the MMA game.

I'm glad you brought that. So this is where they talk about it. Keep going.

So keep going, dorks like you and me. No, no one in the real world is talking about it to me, but that's okay. The point is they're gonna do it, and just because it's on Netflix, I guarantee you millions of people will watch it. I bet they'll have a hard time selling live tickets. Let's see if it's sold out.

It's definitely not, and the tickets are $88. But this is where it gets tricky, because the more places fighters have to go, the better, because UFC has no competition, right? It's a monopoly. All good, right? Which NFL is, NBA is. I have no issues with that, right? So if fighters, big-name fighters, have a place to go and can get paid, I'm all for it, right? The issue of this Netflix and getting MMA, it's like, my thing would be, well, what's the plan here. Mm-hmm. You know, so Ronda and Gina fight this weekend, you got two 40-year-olds fighting the main event. It's gonna get good numbers. But again, and you know this, you've been in business with Netflix, they're not gonna give you the real numbers, right? When you negotiate, they don't give you the real numbers.

Like, they don't tell you shit. They don't tell you you did great.

They don't tell you. But then all of a sudden, Jake Paul did 400 million people. I'm like, really?

Did he?

So they're gonna say—

well, Jake Paul can say that, right? Did Netflix say that?

Netflix said this? No, Netflix said 400 million people watched it.

Some bullshit like that.

Some bullshit.

How many people have Netflix? I don't think they have that many.

I made up a crazy number, but it's a ton of people.

Just be—

article said that they have over 300 million subscribers.

So 100 million people were—

so say 100 million. Yeah, yeah. So say 100. But so, and right now, you know, and I get Ronda's being a promoter. She learned from Dana. She's like, we're gonna destroy the White House. I disagree. I don't think it does, but Netflix will tell you they did.

Well, here's the thing, even if it gets really good numbers, Jake Paul versus Anthony Joshua drew 33 million viewers on Netflix. Netflix. That's really good. That's really good. I don't know what the Sean Strickland, um, Hamzat Cemaev numbers were. They might not have been 33 million. Maybe they were. I don't know. The thing about it being Paramount, Paramount does not have the number of subscribers that Netflix has. How many subscribers? I'm guessing. I might be wrong.

I think they have like 60 million, right?

How many subscribers does Paramount Plus have?

But, but this is what you're not taking into consideration. Paramount and the UFC, it's only in America. So in Canada and other— like, Paramount in Europe, there's— it's not a thing, right? So what are those views now, right? You know, like when we're adding all this up, Paramount in other countries— I don't think the Paramount's in Europe and shit like that. They're watching on like Sky Sports, I think, out there. They have a different deal. Oh, and then Australia, I think, still has pay-per-view.

Interesting. Yeah, I think you're I think you're right. Okay, 79 million paid subscribers. So that's a big difference between— it says globally.

Yeah, half of them are in the US.

35 million are in the US. Are there any countries where Paramount is not in? Let's, let's put that into—

yeah, but I still think that UFC deal was just for the US.

Yeah, it's just for you, just for US. Yeah, okay, because UK is Sky Sports.

So that means there's only 35 million people that it's really reaching, period. So they'll never get to the Jake Paul number. The Jake Paul number of the Anthony Joshua fight, if that's an accurate number, 33 million, they're never gonna get to that.

But remember, the White House is also on CBS.

That's different.

How many people on CBS?

How many people are watching regular TV? That's why maybe they might— 30 more views.

Oh, my dad's crunk. My dad's crunk. That's just on Channel 4 in Denver, Colorado.

You don't need your rabbit ears to pick it up. They still have regular TV. Man, regular TV is crazy.

Crazy.

Like, some people have to fucking move the antenna. The signal's coming in bad.

Crazy.

People—

there's people out there with regular TV. Yeah, that's wild. Where they only have the 4 channels. That's crazy.

They're just getting their news from like, fuck, you know, robots. Fox and fucking—

they don't even get Fox. Fox is cable.

That's right.

Yeah, regular TV, you ain't getting jack shit. They can swear on Fox.

Can they?

I believe so, because if it's on cable, I think you're allowed to swear.

Oh, wow.

I think so. Yeah, but I don't think Fox is.

Fox— well, there's a broadcast version of Fox though.

Right, but is it regulated?

If it's broadcast, it is. That's the whole—

but Fox still—

right, but broadcast and cable. So what do you mean by there's a broadcast version? So there's a version with over-the-air.

What's—

what's—

what available— what's available through the air, right? That's what the FCC—

so the broadcast version, meaning that you could just get it with a regular antenna?

Yeah, there's like a local Fox.

Okay, okay, you're right, you're right, you're right.

Okay, came way later.

That's right, I'm so old. I remember when Fox was just cable, Channel 31.

I remember we wanted Simpsons and Married with Children. Yeah, Simpsons too.

Maybe it was broadcast back then. Maybe I'm wrong. I think I am.

Hard to get. It wasn't the strong the longest of signals in most places.

Okay, but it was always broadcast.

Okay, my— have fucking times changed now because there's like, you talk about Mobland, there's so many dope shows, there's so many good shows out there, but it's like hot for like a week and then something else comes. There's too many things, there's too much. Like, I don't— like, there'd never be like Game of Thrones or Sopranos where it's like the entire world shuts down, right? We all just kind of binge it when we want.

True.

And there's a new show it's not good, man.

True, that's a fact, that's a fact.

Try selling a show right now. Like that, I was talking about that, my Gearheads Gone Wild on Tubi. Tubi has fucking, I think, 300 million subscribers. They're big. But trying to sell a show, these days—

300 million subscribers on Tubi?

Tubi's fucking massive.

I didn't know either.

I didn't know either. I first got the offer, I'm like, where? But again, trying to sell a show is fucking tough. A car show? Tough, dude.

I didn't know Tubi had that many subscribers.

Look that up to make sure. I've been so exaggerating this episode.

Past 100 million monthly active users.

Um, but I don't know how many subscribers do they have total. I know the numbers in a subscriber thing, or is it like a YouTube thing? We could just like—

and they have—

view it.

I would imagine it's tiered.

They have a—

it says a free ad-supported streaming service rather than subscription-based model.

It's free, but they have subscribe, and then you can get the non-ad paid where you pay, I think.

Oh, okay.

So if you like, just get it for free. Yeah, like YouTube, YouTube Red.

And right now YouTube is probably the biggest. Well, like, they probably have the most active viewers worldwide.

Not even close. Yeah, but then remember they tried doing like shows and it just ate shit? Like, what did you read? You remember YouTube Red?

They're like making offers I remember YouTube Red.

Remember that?

That was crazy. It's interesting because just a regular show on YouTube can do really well, like MrBeast.

Yeah, but I think YouTube Red was like kind of a little before that, right? And they're like, right, put your shows on here.

And like, they jumped the gun. Yeah, they jumped the gun.

MrBeast was like, or I'll just put my shit out and everybody in the world will watch it.

The thing about if you put your shit on YouTube, there's literally an infinite number of options and channels. Channels. That's the thing. And it's completely dependent on what you see, like the recommended for you. It's completely what you're interested in.

Everything's niche now. It's like, like there's people out there we don't even know. And like my kids are like, Daddy has 60 million subscribers. I'm like, what the fuck? I've never heard of this fucking guy. I know. You know how much money he's making? Yeah, it's all niche. Things niche.

There's that, but then there's also astroturfing. There's a lot of Astroturfing is when you, you have fake downloads, fake views. You have like companies that you can hire and they will get you views. But so, but here's the thing, that's gonna fuck you. It'll fuck you. But, but the point is people still do it and they do it because it's— you can do it right now, right? And so what that means is like, say if you have like millions and millions of subscribers and then you look at the views, the views are hundreds of thousands of views, then you look at the comments comments, like fucking 5 comments, 6 comments. Like, what the fuck is going on here?

But it's a weird thing to do because in order to make money, YouTube sees the back end. So if you try to make money off your show, right, you're not gonna make money, but it'll get bigger because of the number.

So here's the thing, like, so if you go to like BrendanChobb.com, if you did that, if you have Brendan Chobb's YouTube channel and I looked at it, I'm like, damn, he's got 25 million subscribers. Well, I should fucking subscribe. Subscribe. People do that. They'll click on it and they'll click on your views or your videos because they think they're like missing out.

Like, clearly this guy's doing something.

Of course, it definitely— I don't— I'm not saying that's responsible for all the views that you'll get because of that, but it has an impact on how people see you. You look more legitimate. And if you're trying to develop sponsor deals or some sort of a brand endorsement deal, like, well, I've got 20 million subscribers on YouTube, like, oh, this guy's big. That's Yeah, it definitely does.

But then they're like, but there's 3 comments.

Well, there was scammers that were doing weird stuff in the early days of podcasts where they would rig things to exaggerate downloads back in the early days of audio only.

Oh, buddy.

Yeah. Oh yeah.

And then someone came and regulated it.

Exactly.

But it's not like we were all in on it.

No, no, no.

Like it was someone who was running, 'cause we're all kind of using the same audio thing. And I remember telling Brian, I'm like, dude, we got 30 million fucking audio. 30 mil, dude, this month. And then Tom's like, yeah, I got 60. I'm like, dude, we're crushing it.

And then someone came in, was like, actually, yeah, what it was doing was like every time someone clicked on it, it would count. So that like, I'm talking completely—

if they started, stopped it, right?

It counted over and over again as multiple listens.

That's right.

And I think they do that with other things too. Like, so you have to figure out like who the actual number of people— but people have been accused used of making— like, you can, you could pay to get Instagram accounts. You can get followers. There's companies that will get you followers. I don't know if it's legit or legal, but I know for a fact that some people have done it.

But doesn't Instagram in the background— doesn't YouTube— don't they try to shut that shit down?

They definitely do.

Millions of bots over the weekend.

100%. And I notice it sometimes. I'll notice it while I lose like 100,000.

Yeah, I lost 100,000.

Yeah. Yeah, there are bots, 100%, and there's a ton of them, and they catch some of them, but some of them are more sophisticated in their approach, and then they adjust. So once they realize what gets them caught, you could run an AI program. Yeah, so if you run an AI program and you have a— like, if you're in fucking Singapore or wherever you're at doing this, you could run an AI program that controls a bunch of different cell phones that has a bunch of different accounts, and you can have them even commenting on things, and you'll notice this sometimes. Sometimes, and they'll be programmed to comment positive or negative, or they'll— and it seems like a fucking person, man. But you'll see that there's like a bunch of numbers after a couple of letters or a name like Bob567254, and then you see like, God, I don't think Bob's a person. And then you go to Bob's account and you're like, there's almost no chance that Bob's a person. But I mean, why Bob's posting all the time and making comments on things all the time And most likely what this is, is it's paid engagement.

So it's not just paid views, but because of AI and because of programs you could run, there's the potential for paid engagement.

Dialog back and forth.

Me and Sean were talking about before you got here is some— I don't know that you're aware of this, Joe, the streamers paying for—

Clippers.

The next level of what you're describing. So it's not AI doing it.

Have you heard of Clippers?

Yes. They're paying for— there's thousands of people that are just sitting around at home. Home making a shitload of money, a ton of money, and they're posting because you'll think certain people are bigger than they are.

Like, man, I see him everywhere. It's like, that's all by design.

And you can pay for that too. So that's probably legal, right?

So no, I mean, why would it— should it be, right?

I mean, it all depends on what are you— what are you doing? Are you getting money from it? Are you getting advertising revenue from it?

To your point, it's it's, it's a false sense of fame. Because to your point with Arman, it's like, yeah, we know him and he's getting views online, but does that equal actual fans?

I think it reinforces the fans that already love him. Yes. And a few people are gonna hop on board, but as far as like your general casual that will—

they're not—

tune in for a UFC fight card, no, not necessarily.

But it's also a younger demo, right? Like, you ever watch the stream stream?

No, you're older than me. No, never watched a stream.

No, I had a talk with a streaming company the other day. I'm like, do what? Wait, wait, you want me to 7 days a week turn on the camera and air my just like breakfast and shit, like hanging out with my family?

Well, the streaming thing is nuts where people just live online. First of all, how bad is that for your back? And you're just ranting and raving and talking online all day.

Can't be good. But then like, you know, we love Rampage. Rampage does it making stupid money.

Yeah. Yeah, but you know, it's a good move for Rampage. You know, he's not fighting anymore. Yeah, it's a good move, makes sense. And he's got the Jackson podcast that's doing well. It's good for him to diversify, do a bunch of different—

he's crushing out there.

And he's also got a great personality, so he's great. He's perfect for it, perfect for that. But some people, you know, it ain't their thing, shouldn't be doing that.

But streaming is like the biggest thing. Yeah, Jamie, I get— we sound old as fuck, but we're old.

Yeah, also that's live. You know, it's also, it's like, what are you doing with your life? I got things to do. I can't sit in front of the camera for 5 hours a day. I don't understand how anybody does it.

But also, is it that entertaining? Like, my life's not fucking lit.

They talk a lot of shit on camera and then they watch a bunch of things and react to things. There's a lot of that. Like, for a lot of them, like for our channel, there was a lot of people that were making a living just going on Twitch and these other channels, these other streaming things, streaming your shit? Streaming my show and commenting on it.

Like reaction videos?

Yeah, get mad about things you said. There's a bunch of guys doing stuff. But they were doing it through the— they would play the whole show out.

Oh, that's illegal.

Well, it was very shady. It was very weird because they were commenting on it, but it was like your entire content was based on my content and your reaction to my content. But, you know, it's weird, you know, you're dunking on me or you're pumping me up or whatever you're doing. It's, it's— there was a lot of that going on. And so then there's a lot of people that are watching, whether it's MrBeast's show and commenting on that, or other shows are coming on that. So they're watching stuff online. Someone will send them a video of a guy getting a street fight to comment on that.

Yeah.

And then there's reaction videos, and they're interacting with all these people that are in the, in the comments, making money off of it. Yeah. And they're talking to these people that are in comments. It's like, weird. First of all, if you think that social media is bad for your mental health—

oh my god, dude. Yes, yesterday I was driving down, I dropped my kids off and I was going somewhere. I was going this, this car shop. My truck's in the shop and I was driving my father-in-law's car and I see a high school bus, Lake Travis High School. I live right by Lake Travis. I see a Lake Travis High School bus pull up. I just look over, every single kid staring at the phone.

Yep.

Not talking to each other. No, I say it bummed me out so fucking bad. I know, you know, the fun we used to have on that bus, and no one's— no one's talking to each other. I know, the bus is silent. I'm like, God, you guys are doing it wrong. Well, it's not— want to jump on that bus? Okay, listen, I know I'm the old dude, you guys are fucking up right now.

Well, you're right, but it is also where human beings are headed. We're headed into this weird world of the digital world, and this is the first steps. These are the first steps we're taking by staring into a phone all day.

But we know it's not good.

Oh yeah, no, it's so—

we're just gonna continue to go down this shit road. You don't think there's anything we can do?

Nope. No, people are addicted. They're 100% addicted to their phone. I don't, I don't see anything changing. I think if anything, it's gonna get more invasive, and then it's probably I mean, who knows, just guessing what the next technology is gonna be. But as this technology moves forward, it's gonna get more invasive. It's gonna get more— you're gonna interact with more people through whatever the fuck it is. However they're gonna do it, whether it's gonna be some new tech that lets you communicate with people with a headset and you're reading each other's minds, or whether you're hanging out together in augmented reality or virtual reality.

And you don't think anybody's like, man, we're head down at the computer.

No one's going to. They're gonna keep doing too much money. No, it's just everyone's addicted and everyone uses it for too many things. It's also a primary source of news and information. I get all my, like, ideas about, like, how the world is working from social media. Not, not social media commentary, but social media stories. Well, someone will post like, this is going on in Iran, this is going on here. I get it off social media. I get it off X. But you have to pick and choose in what you pay attention to, right?

Yes, dicey.

And you got to find people that are not full of shit and not click engagement, because there's a lot of click— a lot of just clickbait bullshit.

Majority is.

Yeah, there's a lot of that. But you also find breaking news, and you also find things that you wouldn't know about, you know, like certain stories and certain things that are happening in the news and certain, certain really crazy stories that are like, how am I not hearing about this? The This should be fucking huge.

You don't think it's gonna be like— and I know we have to use it— you don't think it's gonna be kind of like cigarettes, like in the '60s, where everyone was doing it, and then eventually the parents of those kids— I'm sorry, the children of those parents go, what the fuck, this is so bad for you?

If it was a substance, I would agree. But the problem— it is addictive, but the problem is it's all facets of your life. It is your calendar, it is your email, it is how you take pictures and all your memory. It is how you interact with a lot of people. There's a lot of people I don't even have their phone numbers. I just— they DM me and I DM them, you know. I have friendships with people that are just DM. So it's— there's that. But that's basically the problem is that it's, it's a giant part of the world now where cigarettes never really were.

We're relying on it.

Yeah, you could— there was a bunch of people who didn't smoke. Even when people smoked cigarettes, like, let's look at the this up. Throw this into perplexity, young Jamie, please. Um, during the height of smoking in the United States, what percentage of adults smoked? Let's guess.

God, back in the—

back in the day, whenever it was the nuttiest, like in the '50s or whatever, I think it was 50%.

That'd be high, right? Crazy high. 30%?

Yeah, 30. I was thinking like 33, but it might be higher because those old days, man, everybody had a cigarette in hand. Johnny Carson Show, everyone. Yeah, people walking on the street, smoke on planes, smoke on busses, smoke on trains. Yeah, everybody's walking down the street smoking. But what percentage of those people were doing it? Okay, 40 to 45. Wow. In the mid-1960s, the height of cigarette use in the US, roughly 40 to 45% of adults smoked, which works out to the order of 80 to 90 million adults Wow, that's a shit ton. That's incredible. That's incredible. American Lung Association summary notes that adult smoking has fallen to around— from around 40 to 43% in 1965 to about 11 to 12% in 2022. I think it's back. I think people are really—

I feel like it's lower.

I think people are smoking. I see it a lot now.

Outlawed it in San Francisco outside.

That's hilarious.

That's gay.

That's, that's San Francisco.

That makes sense.

San Francisco treat. Well, you hear what they're doing in the UK. UK, if you were born before or after a certain date, you can't buy cigarettes when you turn 21.

Just to stop people from—

Exactly. So people that were born in like fucking whatever year, whatever year they set it at, when they turn 21, they will not be able to buy cigarettes.

Just trying to eliminate—

But you'll be able to buy cigarettes because you were born at a different time. They say, oh, you're retarded, you don't know any better.

That's so stupid.

It's— they're— it's communism. It's socialism.

Didn't they just run out the fucking— was it Prime Minister or the fuck they call him?

He's still there.

I thought they ran him out. They're bringing somebody else in.

They probably want to, but they haven't. Yeah, but the point is it's like that kind of woke socialism. It's like they're— it's the government telling you what to do. When I say communism, I don't mean like they take all your money because they'll definitely do that eventually too. But what they do is they tell you what you can say. Correct. They tell you what you can do. They tell you what medications you have to take. It's all socialized medicine. They tell you what to do and what to say and how to think, and they're gonna protect you. Protecting someone from cigarettes while you're selling them alcohol is fucking bananas.

So dumb.

It's bananas. It's dumb.

But England's lost their way, man. They've lost their way. Their identity, it's a fucking shit show.

Well, they're arresting people like crazy for posting on social media about the immigration crisis. Primarily, also other things, but criticizing the government. And now they threw away jury trials for those things. So now it's a judge. And so you don't even get people like you, your peers, to sit there and go, no, this fucking guy shouldn't go to jail. His daughter got attacked by some immigrants and he said some wild shit about immigrants and no, he shouldn't be in jail for that.

But my thing, have you, like, what's the agenda? Just to ruin, just ruin the fucking country?

Control, so shrink you down to 15-minute cities. They're implementing that in part of the UK. The other thing is a digital credit system, right? So a digital— a digital credit score, a social score, and some sort of centralized digital currency, which I think we're probably— they're probably going to try to move us all into eventually. But if they can attach your social credit score with this digital currency, then you have what they have in China. So in China, if you fuck up and you do something stupid, guess what, fuckface? You can't buy a plane ticket.

That's wild.

Yeah, you, you can't get a loan, you can't get this for a house, and it keeps people in line. And then the government can do its job without protests.

Dude, can I piss real quick?

Let's piss.

Two fucking—

I gotta piss.

Energy drinks.

We'll be right back, folks.

Ah, so much better.

I know it's hard to concentrate when you have to piss, bro.

You were talking, I was like, oh man, I really want to hear this, but I'm about to piss my pants.

What were we talking about? Let's talk about your show. Um, so we have Cigar Brother.

Yeah, dude, last time I smoke it, I smoked it backwards. I got roasted so hard online.

I know, I didn't notice.

I didn't notice, but maybe I just smoke them backwards from now on. Switch it up.

It is funny though, but it's really the same. It's just where the label is.

Yeah, man, whatever.

These?

I'm a rebel, smoke it backwards.

You are a rebel.

Mm, thanks, brother.

Here's the clipper. You know how this works. Make sure you clip the right spot. That one. There you go. Yeah, on that— this, this cigar is different because it's not a torpedo like the other one. So the other one, you could get more confused because both ends were pointed pointy. Do you know how to do that?

Yeah.

Do you need help?

No, I got a big—

you don't look like you know. No, I'm—

dude, you know me, cigars I've smoked only in here.

Oh, light it.

Oh, that's right.

Um, so your show— so your show is on Tubi.

Tubi. Hey, so light this part, right? The— well, no, but this part.

Which—

yeah, like this part. It's fucking— dude, tricky, right?

No, no, like, just retarded, like, yeah, light the part that you didn't cut. What is it called? What's your show called?

Gary Heads Gone Wild.

Oh, that's right, just like Girls Gone Wild, same text and everything. Is that a problem?

No, hell no. That guy's, I think, in fucking on the lam in Mexico. I think we're good.

Is he really? Really? Hiding?

Yeah, I think so. Either way, we're good.

Didn't he get like kidnapped and they fucking saw him or something? He had some dice and shit.

Yeah, yeah, it turned out pretty sad for him.

Or something.

It's a car— I mean, it's shit we would be doing anyways, you know? And then they wanted to make a TV show out of it. So like, I went to Calvo, Calvo Vipers. He scared the shit out of me. Calvo Vipers. I went to the biggest Porsche collection in Austin. I'm obsessed with Safari Porsches, man.

Oh, you like those? God, those off-road ones.

Yeah, I think Russell makes them. Russell, I forget the exact name, but Russell does. Like, I don't know what the fuck it is when it's an off-road, like that, that just that vibe. I don't know what it is, dude. I fucking love them, man.

Why do you love off-road ones?

I don't know.

Is there a dirt track where you could take a Porsche off-road car to?

Oh, I'm sure.

Where?

I bet, especially in California. California, like Johnson Valley and all that.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

But out here, there's, there's places out here people have been hitting me up about, right?

But when you take— when you go off-roading, generally you're going off-roading with a truck where you can bounce over rocks and shit. You can't really do that in an off-road Porsche. That's like more for those crazy mountain roads that are in the dirt. Yeah, that's a Jakar, right?

Russell Built Fab.

Oh, that's dope looking, dude.

Some dad had one at the base.

993?

Yeah.

Oh wow, so they took a 993 and, and— oh, that's pretty!

It's my favorite thing in the world. I don't know why.

Look at the wheel wells, that's crazy.

Wow, perfect daily driver too. Don't have to worry about—

I, you know, I have a fucking problem with those extra front headlights they stick on the hood. I do not like them. I think it fucks up the lines of the car.

Agree. You could— because you could put those on that front there, just take them off, or take them night in the dark.

Shut the fuck up, bitch. You ain't really off-road. I mean, you're off-roading, but you're not in the woods.

Oh, Joe, don't get it twisted.

Nighttime, like all my trucks—

I have that Ram 2500 AEV, that thing's never seen the dirt, right? But that's different.

It just looks— truck, that looks fine with the extra lights on it.

Yeah, but still, I agree.

I think it's like whenever I see those old 911s, like the 1972s, and they have those extra headlights on the hood, I'm like, ew. Yeah, what are you doing? You're ruining the lines of one of the most beautiful creations. Look at bats out fake tits.

You're like, what are you doing?

No, it's like extra fake tits. It's like you've got two fake tits on your fucking— yeah, you got some fucking collarbone tits. Like, get those out of there. They don't belong there. More is not always better. And the shape of a Porsche, especially those long nose Porsches, oh, it's so beautiful. When you have dumbass fucking headlights on the hood, like, get—

it's just not meant to be.

Yeah, get out of here.

Yeah, I like different shit. I don't like— I agree, those, those headlights do fuck up the lines, but like The other thing, I'm really— I'm just into different shit. Like, I like when they swap the LSs in the Porsches too.

Oh yeah, that's dope.

Yeah, just the sound, that chop.

Yeah, yeah.

I don't know, I don't know. It's shit like that, man.

I like those. A lot of people think that's heretics. That's like, oh my God, what? You should go to jail for that. Oh dude, I brought a water-cooled LS engine in a Porsche.

This guy's like— he's the head guy for Porsche driving. He's driving me around and I go, man, you ever, you ever driven one of those LS Porsches? And he was like, what the fuck did you just say? I'm like, you don't get down with those? He's like, fuck no. I'm like, yeah, those are gay. So gay.

No, they're awesome.

Yeah, I just like different shit, man.

Yeah, Rutledge Wood had one of those. He had one of those— what's the fucking Japanese cat that does the wide bodies?

Oh, I know you're talking about.

I saw RWB.

Yes.

Yeah, yeah, he, he had one of those with an LS. RS in it. It's pretty sick.

And there's, there's companies that do that.

Yeah, yeah, they're sick. And it sounds incredible. It sounds like an American muscle car, but yet it's in a car that's like 2,000 pounds, dude.

And all I do is search Facebook Marketplace for RS-swapped Porsches. God, you can get some good deals because no one really wants them.

Isn't that crazy? Yeah, because everybody wants the air-cooled, because the air-cooled has that raspy—

they are the best.

It's a wild—

it's great.

It's a wild sound. That air-cooled sound is a wild sound.

As I'm getting older too, it's like, you know, I've had trucks with 1,400 horsepower, I've had cars with 1,100 horsepower, and then if you just get an old-school Porsche, air-cooled with 250 horsepower, manual, it's all you need, dude.

They're so fun.

As you get older, you're like, why am I chasing this fucking horsepower?

Yeah, because it's just about driving enjoyment. It's not about— you're not racing. It. No, you know, you're not on a track.

Oh dude, I knew I had issues when I was driving my kid to his fucking baseball game and my car was running hot. My TRX, 1,400 horsepower, is running hot. I converted to twin turbo Hellcat engine. It's like 1,400. It's run on E85 fuel. There's no E85 out there. I'm in the middle of fucking like Dripping Springs. I had to pull over on the side of the road because it's— the engine was smoking. I just went, what the fuck am I doing, man? Who am I doing this for? It's not like I'm taking it to the track. Yeah, who am I doing this for?

Well, a Hennessey has 1,000 and you can drive it everywhere.

Yeah, that's probably the way to do it.

Hennessey TRX. Yeah, they're great. Raptor.

Yeah, I almost bought one of those and then I got that AV Ram and I linked up with Diesel R and we're doing a Randy's transmission. I got a freaking stealth bigger turbo on there, Fast Fuel system. Oh bro, let me get my pants off. Oh yeah, I don't know if you're that stuff, but I'm picking it up today.

It's finally done, dude. That sounds fun.

Oh dude, I can't fucking wait.

That sounds fun. Yeah, so the idea is you just driving around, going to different places, having people do different things with cars. Yeah, like check out what people are doing, different mods are going.

Yeah, and it's like that old-school, like, car shows that we grew up on. Like, you'll throw up facts about Porsches or about the car, it just pop up with that stuff. And that's like our boys, like Gordon Ryan was on there with his TRX WRX. Oh, he's like 120,000 miles on it.

That's it.

Really, dude, that thing's so busted up, but he just drives it every day. He off-roads it. He just— we go in his car, I'm like, dude, I said, you know, Gordon, I'm gonna tell you the same thing I tell everybody when I get in the car with them. I know it's for TV, I don't need you to show off, nobody's trying to get hurt. He's like, I got you, man. And was just fucking ripping this thing, dude. I'm like, I flipped one of these things, man, it ain't fun, bud. It ain't fun. But it's, uh yeah, just shit we like, you know? And this was like, you want to do a TV show? I'm like, yeah, let's ride, man.

It's interesting how much that's a male thing. There are women that are into cars, but I don't know any women— I mean, I'm sure they're out there, but I don't know any women that are into cars the way we're into cars. No, no. Some of them, some of them like cars, they're into it. Some— but like, for me, it's like, that is one of the one things about having some money money that is worth it. Like I always tell people, having a nice house is great. It is great. There's definitely nothing wrong with having a nice house, but after a while it just becomes your house.

Yes.

And if you're in a humble house that has a nice kitchen and a big TV and a couch and a nice bed to sleep on, you're set. You're kind of set.

Yeah.

Like the difference in the way you feel when you're home versus a nice house is not much different.

Agree.

The difference in driving a nice car is like you are taking a ride to work. You are at Disneyland.

Yes.

You would wait in line to get in that car and you're boom boom and you're fucking shifting your own gears and brrr. Woo! It's fun.

And the shit you have, dude, I live through you because, you know, obviously we're in different tax brackets. You know, I got to do my thing on Facebook Marketplace and shit. I picked up tires the other day. Guy goes, holy shit, Brendan Shaw buys tires on Facebook Marketplace? Yeah, dude, who doesn't want a fucking deal, man? Put those in the back for me, dude. But yeah, you got one of those poor— I think your Gunther Porsche.

Yes.

And you took a picture, you're like, dude, I'll just sit in my garage and stare at it. I'm like, dude, I've never—

I do, I stare at it sometimes, sit in the garage and look at it.

Oh, it's a fucking piece of art.

Yeah, all carbon fiber.

Yeah, dude, some— when I see like that, that, that, that type of Porsche, like the Gunther work, or I'll see a certain car, I'm just like, I can't even describe the— it's like, fuck, dude, that is so sick.

Yeah, do you see the Gunther Works made a twin turbo slant nose?

I sent it to you.

Peter Nam sent it to me too, bro. Owner of the company sent it to me.

Oh, you know him?

Yeah, well, I bought it off him. I bought one off him. Not that, not the slant nose.

I didn't know you're dealing with like customer service.

No, no, I deal with Peter. He's awesome. But that's it. That car is insane. They've raced that one against a GT3 RS and it buried it. Buried it. Yeah, they did some rolling race like from 30 miles an hour and literally it just shot ahead like the other car was parked.

1067 horsepower?

It's nothing. It weighs nothing. What does it weigh? Please search what does the, the new, the slant-nose Gunterwerks weigh because they're carbon fiber 100%. They're carbon fiber.

2,000-something?

Yeah, yeah, I bet it's about 2,400 pounds. 2,700. 2,700. So it's close, but the engine's probably super heavy. Well, I don't know if it's super heavy, but there's a lot of jazz in there.

But what engine is it? The, um, I think it's a 4-liter twin-turbo flat-6.

Yeah, and it's air-cooled, which is so nice. Nuts. 1,000 horsepower flat-6 air-cooled engine is crazy, brother.

And people, everyone, like, you talk to anyone like, I want 1,000 horsepower. You think you want 1,000 horsepower. Now it's not like your ZRX, uh, ZR1X. It's not like that. Like, if you buy it, or like at my Demon 170, if you get it from the factory, from the factory, you're good. When you have a TRX or your Corvette Corvette, or, you know, I've had other trucks, my Ford Lightning. If you're reaching 1,000 horsepower, buddy, you think you want those problems, you do not, right? It's a fucking nightmare. And then also, every week I was in the shop calling buddy, doing something, I'm like, this is exhausting.

Well, this won't be like that. Like, the Gunther Works ones are reliable.

I've never had a story. No, those are great.

But the question is, does that have any traction control?

Hopefully not.

Like JB, could you please look up whether or not these, uh, new Gunther Works Porsches have traction control?

It's got— it's got—

I don't know how they can do that now. I know they can do it. There's like a computer thing that you could buy.

Gunther's in California. Where are they at?

I believe so. Yeah, 99% sure.

Dude, you should connect with him because I'd love to do an episode with him.

A wooden shift knob pays tribute to the Porsche's motorsport carriage. Modern electronics like motorsports-grade ABS and traction Oh, okay, well, that's good. It's nice that it has ABS too. That's dope. That's— you're gonna need it. You're going— yeah, but see if you can find the race between the GT3 RS and the slant nose, bro. It is hilarious. And the sound it makes is orgasmic. It's—

I can't imagine how much that thing is.

Wonderful. Oh, it's got to be a million dollars.

Yeah. Yeah, here's my problem with Porsche is even 20 years ago when I— for my very first car I bought when I had money, I got from podcast my— this is 15 years ago. I bought just your base 911, went to the Porsche dealer, bought a base 911. I could afford it. It was, I don't know, $80 grand. Now Porsche has become— it's almost like what Ferrari was 10 years ago, where just the base Porsche is so expensive, man. It's pricing out their market. So now it's become— and we've been on Porsche for how long? Like, we've always talked about Porsche. Forever. It's our shit.

Watch this. Oh my God, it's Top Gear. Oh, it's Top Gear. Yeah, great, great channel.

Yes.

So these guys, they do a rolling start. I guess they did a rolling start because they didn't want to dump the clutch on this million-dollar car.

Way safer to do it that way.

Watch this when they get to 30.

And look at that interior, dude.

Watch this go, bro. It's not even fucking close. Is that even close? It's not even close.

That's insane.

And the GT3 RS is a fast car.

Fast motherfucking car.

But this was not his car. Obviously this is, you know, someone else's car that they're letting him test. And so whoever bought that car and spent a million dollars on it— how much do they cost? $1.2 million.

Yeah, that again, that's my only issue with Porsche now is because if you want a GT3 RS, they're so expensive, man.

It's like, well Well, people flip them. A lot of people flip. Oh yeah, because they're really hard to get too. Yeah, yeah, it's just a lot of demand for it.

It's tough. Yeah, we're back in the day, you could— if even if you're a Porsche, you could start somewhere and you'd be okay. And now it's almost like Ferrari where it's unattainable for a lot of people.

Well, you know what a lot of people are doing? $600,000.

What's— it's $400,000 more, it's $1.6 million.

That car is— yeah, $1.6 million is crazy. Worth every penny if you got that loot. If you got that loot, um, please buy it. One of the things that people are doing is taking that lighter weight Porsche 911T. You know the T?

Yep.

And they're taking that and juicing it up to like 700+ horsepower and, you know, putting some mods on it.

Now you're talking my language.

Yeah, because you can do that for way less than it would cost you to buy a twin turbo. And you're getting the same kind of speed, but you're also getting rear-wheel drive.

Yep. And you can get them for pretty, pretty— I don't want to say cheap, but cheaper.

Cheaper.

Like, it's so tough, man, to get some of those, like the GT3 RSs, you gotta be allocated, or it's like 150 over markup. Like, it's tough these days in the Porsche business. They're, they're crushing it. It's good for them, right? But again, for like my kids, hopefully they're fortunate enough where they're making good money, but it's gonna be really tough to get into Porsche, man. It's just, it's a different— the Porsche has become the marquee car when back in the day it wasn't that.

It wasn't. No, you know, it used to be much more affordable. It was the more affordable supercar and a daily driving supercar. But, you know, the market— and it's also things change, right? Because now everything is twin turbo. They're all twin turbo. Yeah, unless you buy a GT3, they're twin turbo.

Yep. Yeah, you know, I think too, one of the reasons I went away from exotics, because I mean, you know, I even modded my GT2 RS like I'm an idiot, but it loses value in them.

So when you mod them, when you mod them, yeah, fucks them up.

And I just can't leave anything alone. So that's why I went so heavy into American shit, because, you know, the C6s, all, all, all the American stuff you can mod the fuck out of, and there's a market there. You're not losing your ass. Yeah, and they're cheaper to mod. Like, when I would mod a Ferrari, buddy, exhaust, whatever the fuck, turbos, if you want to do a tune, it's a fucking nightmare, man.

Nightmare. Yeah, well, it's all— to me, it's all about enjoyment, right? And so, like, what do you—

what do you you—

what are you getting out of it if you're not like racing it and trying to go around corners sideways and fucking overcorrecting? And you're not really doing that with most cars. You're just enjoying it when you're driving it. And for me, I love the feel of a V8. Like, I have, uh, one of those, uh, Shelby Super Snakes. Yeah, it's a 6-speed.

Didn't you get the Super Snake R?

It hasn't got it yet. I haven't— it's on the way. Wait, I fucking love that car because it's a modern muscle car. Driving it is like driving an old-school muscle car, but it's all modern and perfect. Starts every time. Interior is great, and it's just the fun of just driving normal speed, just normal speed, just driving to work, normal, not speeding, just— you feel like you're doing something fun.

And you get that same excitement in your ZR1? ZR1X?

No, no, it's not the same. The ZR1X is on another planet. It's, uh, it's a spaceship. I mean, it's the most capable car I've ever driven by far. Like, when I took the ZR1 around the racetrack, we drove it around COTA, I was like, this thing is crazy, crazy. It's so fast and it handles so well and it gives you so much confidence. But it's different when you're not, you're not shifting your own gears, you're not using the clutch. It's all about about that. The driving experience is about engagement, and if you're not using a manual, you're missing— you're gonna have fun, don't get me wrong. You get a Corvette, you're gonna have a lot of fun. For sure. It's a great car. But shifting your own— you know, they finally started making a gear, a manual transmission for the C8.

Really?

Yeah, so it's not—

Is the Grand Sport coming in a manual?

I don't think it's gonna be offered by Corvette. I don't know if there are in the future. You can swap it in. But you can buy one. Now. So see what the company is that does that, but it's a famous transmission company that's making a C8 manual transmission.

And everybody saw that, like, oh, because that's the only knock I've heard on like actual car guys with ZR1X. They go, fast as fuck, it's great, but it's kind of doing it for you. Like, the drive's different. Like, it's so— it's a spaceship.

It's a spaceship. You're Luke Skywalker.

Yes.

Does not offer a manual trans— Tremec. Okay, Tremec has developed a 6-speed manual that fits a C8. GM considers it not real for production. What does that mean?

But Tremec makes it.

They make it. Yeah, are they selling it? Is Tremec not selling it, or did they make it just for funsies? Because Tremec made the transmission on my Supra. They make the best transmissions. Tremec's new 6-speed manual transactional opens the door for manual swap Corvettes and other creations.

So you can do it.

This is what I would do. What I would do is get a Z06 and put a fucking manual in it.

Now we're cooking. Let's go. Let's fucking go.

Now you have literally the ultimate Corvette.

I get that Z06 and that orange—

no word yet on price timeline or who's going to cook up the software to tell the Corvette to cooperate with a 3-pedal transmission. That is the problem, because you're going to have to—

and the ECU. Yeah, that's a big problem. Yeah, like the biggest problem I've had is with the ECU. People don't realize, you know, the guys who do all the mods they do, but it's like I got a 2024 Ram and right away I'm like, right, what mods am I gonna do? I'm talking to Randy's Transmission, Banks, I'm talking to my boys at Diesel R and they're like, you got a 2024? I'm like, yeah, what's up? Low miles, man. Like, I fucked up. Like, why? Like, because 2024 and up up, there's no way to unlock that ECU. Like, you have— we have to find an ECU from a 2022 or earlier. And I'm like, okay, those can't be expensive. Oh, they're blood diamonds, because every— because everybody wants that. You're looking at 7 grand for unlocked ECU. Wow. And that's just the ECU. That's not adding any power. That's just to get it so you can add the power. Oh my God, that's crazy. And then Diesel R, they were like, dude, we, we have one. I'm like, no fucking way.

Well, how about this new law that they just passed where your car's gonna monitor you and then they're gonna have a kill switch in your car. So to keep people from drinking and driving, or if maybe they don't like what Brendan Shaw posted on Twitter, and they just fucking shut your car down.

I think that's even more reason to buy old shit.

Yeah, a lot of reason to buy old shit. Put that please into Perplexity and ask them when this law is being passed and what the law entails, because I've been hearing a lot of different versions of it. I want to know what these—

gonna pass in California first.

Let's pass nationwide. And Thomas Massey voted against it, and I think Fetterman might have voted against it too. I'm not sure. Real federal mandate tied to 2027 model year cars. It's about impaired driving detection. Yeah, but this is how it starts. The problem is if it has a kill switch ask, ask if it has a kill switch, if that's part of it.

I mean, it probably is gonna be in here.

Right. Okay, why people call it a kill switch? Because the system may be able to prevent the engine from starting or shut down performance if it decides you're impaired. So that's a kill switch. So that is great if you're preventing someone from drinking and driving, correct? That is not great if you are Nick Fuentes, and you're in your car and you're, you know, but that's the Trojan horse.

Like, they get you in with that. It's for safety.

That's the thing.

May is a keyword in there.

Maybe able— well, the thing about that is I think they already have that with the Corvette. I think with OnStar, if someone steals your car, correct, they can shut it down, right? So that's the security. If you have a Corvette and Brendan Chobb is running from the law and you're trying to get to Canada But can't they do that with your Teslas? That's prob— I mean, it's a computer.

It's a computer.

Of course they probably can do that. I'm really bummed out that Tesla has canceled the Model S. Jamie and I were just talking about it before the show.

Oh, they could all go away and I wouldn't give two fucks. I know he's your boy, but I just don't care. I listen to you do your thing.

I drive it all the time. I love it.

With all the cars you have, I love it. It's the one thing I'm like, I love it.

Listen, I love V8s. Look, I drove my Raptor here.

You know, Raptor's badass.

A fanboy would say that's just gonna be replaced by that Roadster that they haven't shown yet.

So yeah, but the Roadster's a two-seater. My car is a four-seater, four-door car that goes 0 to 60 in under 2 seconds.

But why would they get rid of it?

I've never had—

because they're my car.

You never— what?

I've never had 4 people in my car.

You haven't? But like, so like the other day I had to pick up my daughter daughter because she was being driven and the car they were driving got a flat and I was on my way home at the exact same time and I picked her up and her friends.

Yes, dope.

So I had 3 friends in the backseat, one in the front. Yeah, I got everybody in my car, no problem. I like having a 4-door. I have a family. I know you're a single guy, like for you a roadster would be fine.

That's just a— just ask, you know.

No, for you.

It's a small little car anyway. I think the X is pretty dope too. They also came cancel the X.

I know, the X is dope. Actually, Tiffany Haddish had one and she showed me that they could dance in the parking lot.

I've never seen that video.

I was like, this is crazy.

I only do 4— I don't have anything 2-door anymore because kiddos. Like, I just try to create the most badass dad whip I can. Yeah, it has to have 4 doors.

Well, I mean, I have 2-door cars, but I always have to have a sedan. I like a sedan.

Your kids are older though too.

If I didn't have a Tesla and I have a sedan, what I would get is the Cadillac, the CT5V Blackwing.

Let's preach! And you can get a manual.

You can get the new one, the F1, is only in manuals. The, the highest horsepower, 685— I don't know why I couldn't say that word— 685 horse— I know you do. We both suffer from marble mouth, brother. 685 horsepower and it's only manual. But take my fucking money, I want an automatic.

I think so.

If it's that—

yeah, manual sounds fun, but if you're driving it all the time, where, you know, if you're living in LA.

Yeah, oh yeah, depending on where you're living.

Yeah, Jamie, that could be you, bud.

Like, we were just in New Jersey, bro. That's you, Jamie.

I'm not saying it's a bad car. I'm just like, it's, uh, I'm gonna drive it 10 miles a day.

He does.

Yeah, it's an awesome 10 miles.

No, it's not, dude. The feeling in that car with the torque and the sound of the engine.

You can't go anywhere on a 35 in traffic.

Give me some fucking volume and let's hear this driving one in this car.

Yeah, well, Jamie's not really a car guy, very, very drive it to the golf course, but like, yeah, yeah, that's once a week.

Yeah, how much better you play.

The sound, look at that fucking carbon around it. Let me hear it drive. Here it drives. There it drives. Here it is driving, bitch. Let's go. How the engine reacts to that in— oh, why, why would they do this to me? Why would you have a video of this and not have—

yeah, you want to sell cars or not?

For me, please.

Is.

Um, here it is. Just, just click that though. That's the black one.

Oh, there we go.

Oh, my dick just got hard.

And we can spice that up, Jamie. You sent it to me for a day, Bubba.

That's fine. The way it comes from the factory is fine. I know you can get it really loud, but the thing is, just that alone— there we go. Come on, dog.

Yeah, all right, I mean, it's not bad.

Yeah, he's in!

Yes, dude, you don't understand. Oh, cammed up, baby!

I feel— oh, that's a cammed up one. That one's nuts.

That's what you want.

Oh, there's a lot of mods. Dudes jack those up above 1,000 all the time.

Oh, that's going to get robbed out here then.

No, Bubba, no, come on.

Texas. Where you parked in? You going to the ghetto to buy crack?

I don't drive anywhere.

So where's he going?

Come on, you live in a nice place.

Are you buying crack?

She got covered parking.

You don't need it, but it's fun.

I just think of Gone in 60 Seconds. When you've got a dope car and people know you've got a dope car and you're seen driving that dope car, they're going to follow you in that dope— with, uh, our friend, he got followed.

What's wrong with you, dude?

Yeah, shit's going to happen.

I don't—

he's in Dallas, going to have fucking dope Tesla.

He's in Dallas buying tacos at 3 in the morning. Million Teslas all over the place, bro. I drive And he's got a Ferrari.

I drive Ferrari.

He's different than a Cadillac. Ah, I've never had it.

Have you had any issues? I've never— especially out here.

You can catch an issue every now and then, but the thing about Texas is everybody's armed. Like, you, you can't just roll up on someone and try to take their car. You're risking your fucking life.

Uh, it happened on 5th Street, a block away from the club, not too long ago. Yeah, on right in front of Eddie D's.

People get carjacked in every city. That's a fact. That's not where I live.

I don't like having targets.

Not where I live. Come on to this. Come on over to the burbs, dude.

So you think if you have like one of them Cybertruck. So supposedly Cybertruck is coming out with an SUV, maybe. Yeah, I don't know, allegedly could be cool. Elon won't tell me. He won't tell me shit.

He knows what to tell you.

I got a big fucking mouth.

There's online people have showed things, but like, we don't really know.

What have they— what have they showed?

Uh, potential, like, it looks a little bit like, uh, the mix between an X and a Cybertruck.

See, that would be a smart move if for them to make a Cybertruck that's an SUV. It's a smart move because you already have shape, just instead of having the pickup truck part where no one's using—

yeah, extend the seats.

Yeah, have the seats back more, and you could even shorten the wheelbase a little bit and make it like, you know, like one of them smaller Cadillac SUVs.

You could, or you could just say fuck all that noise and get a Hellcat Durango, because Stellantis does— oh, the Hellcat's back, baby! Pretty dope.

Hellcat Durango.

The Godfather of the Hellcat, Tim, is back running fucking Dodge. Yes, that's Like, thank fucking God.

Dodge is crushing it. They got silly with that electric thing.

They had some French guy running it.

Is that what it was?

Killed— yeah, and killed all America.

Facts. That's what it was.

Boom.

He wanted— he wanted to destroy America. Facts.

I want Poitain to beat Sirogan.

It was like the most iconic American, like, V8-powered cars were Dodge. Dodge Viper— well, that's a V10. Dodge Viper, you had, uh, but just big engines, right? You You had, you know, gasoline engines. You had, of course, the Challenger, Challenger Hellcat, Hellcat Redeye.

They crushed it.

Crushed it. Are they gonna discontinue the Challenger?

No, they're coming out with a gas Challenger. So they fucked up and came out with a Challenger all electric and it ate—

A Charger. Wasn't it a Charger?

And a Challenger too. They did both, right?

You can't change—

They're coming out with a Charger that's gas powered.

Yeah, the Charger's dope. I've seen some reviews.

They look pretty cool.

It's dope. It's dope. And it's fast. Fast as fuck. Here. Now we're talking, Jamie. What do you think of that?

Okay.

Here we go. Look at that, Jamie. Here you go.

Yeah.

Now we're talking.

The Durango kept Dodge afloat.

That's what you need, Jamie. You need a goddamn V8. Like a fuck. You're gonna come in here with a fucking hairy chest.

Oh yeah, dude.

Goddamn American. Yeah. Yeah, that's what you need. That's it. Forget the Cadillac. We're on to this now.

We're on to this.

We're on to this. That's what you need.

I wasn't— this is awesome. People love these, dude. This is a robbery car, the Trackhawk. That's why I'm off of that.

Trackhawks are great, dude.

People steal—

not that many of them. Yeah, and people are okay.

How about you get a Hennessy and tell them to leave the badges off?

Hennessys are so fun.

Just have Hennessy do it and leave the badges off, bro.

Did you—

did you just— looks like a regular one, a sleeper.

I just be worried the whole time.

Oh my God, what world are you living in, dude? Did you see Hennessy did a Super Duty? Hennessy finally did a Ford Super Duty. Yeah, fuck, I love it.

Hennessy does dope shit, dude. They do dope Mustangs, they do dope Cadillacs, they take the Blackwing and fucking—

see, that, that's why with, uh, with Tubi, it was like, let's see how these 4 episodes go. They do good.

Do you know John?

Uh, me and him had a conversation.

You should do— you should do a show with him.

That's what I want to do, a show with him. I want to go to Gun Gunter. Yeah, but John's great. He's up the fucking road.

He's great. I can connect you with him. He's a good dude. He's a friend of mine.

Me and him had a convo because when I was building my Raptor to get to 1,400 horsepower, I called him.

Well, I'll hook you up with Gunther too. Yeah, they're great. He's— Peter's very cool too.

Smokes his Trackhawk.

Yeah, dude. Oh, the, the Durango with the Hellcat?

He's starting a little fast if he smokes them. Yeah, that's probably not a Hennessey one.

Well, those— it doesn't matter. I mean, they put a Hellcat in one of those fucking things, you're dealing with insane horsepower. It's so much horsepower.

They're awesome, Jamie. And it's the red interior, it's fucking awesome.

Well, we're salespeople. We'll say we're selling Dodge.

That actually might have been the Trackhawk on the right.

Okay, whichever one it was, either way, pick your poison.

Just fucking get one.

I would 100% drive one of those. 100%. Yeah, I might, I might get one too if you you get one.

Shit, let's get 3.

What do you charge it?

Let's go charge it. How dare you, you son of a bitch. But you know what, man, he's not wrong though with the way gas prices are. I talked to Tim Dillon today. He was— I was on the phone with him when I was in the studio. He told me that gas is $7.90 a gallon in LA right now, and that's down from what it was.

I was out there a month shooting a commercial and it was up to $8.40 something.

Here's what I don't I don't understand. Are we getting oil from Iran? No, that's what— maybe 3 or 4%. So are they just fucking us in the ass?

They just know, oh, Americans know if we go to war we can increase the gas price, so we all just go along with it.

Is that real, or is it global prices went up because some of the gas can't get to where it needs to go, and so it— they need to make that money, so they just fuck you? Isn't it funny, like, they're like, we're gonna make money no matter what. Yeah, the American people are gonna lose money, so we the same amount of money. And also, fuck you, you need oil.

My whole thing is, even like when, you know, when we go to war, people like, yeah, they're just doing it for money. It's like, how much fucking money do they need? They're all rich anyway.

American gas prices are rising mainly because crude oil has become more expensive due to the war with Iran and disruptions in global oil supply, plus normal seasons and cost factors in refining, distribution, and taxes. Biggest driver: crude oil and the Iran War. But what if we got all our oil from America?

Which we can't. Do.

Well, if we did that, why would oil go up?

Because look, America's oil prices are tied to the global oil market.

Well, that's just—

start selling it.

That's stupid.

Ah, yeah, the market.

Yeah, but they're a bunch of crooks. They're a bunch of crooks. Yes, we should have a national oil company, uh, and only sell in America. Keep it in-house so no matter what right there foul shit we do outside the world, still sell go wherever they want. Yeah, even though US is the world's largest oil producer, companies can sell oil on the global market to whoever pays the highest price. So fucks us. High world prices still translate into high domestic gas prices. Hey, Mr. President, please fix that fucking—

DEXA—

I don't know if he can do that. They'll kill him. They try to kill him 3 times already. You try to do— you try to fuck with that oil money, oh, and all of a sudden President JD is crying on TV. I'm gonna miss— I'm gonna miss Donald. He was a great mentor to me, and though I didn't always agree with everything he said, and I wish he didn't post that picture of him as Jesus.

I do too. What the fuck are you doing? Hey, you know what's crazy to me is there's been like 3 legit assassination attempts and it's in the news 2, 3 days, and we're just like, yeah, it's crazy, and we move on.

Well, there was another one that barely made the news where a guy showed up and tried to attack JD. You remember that guy?

No.

Yeah, see?

I know.

This guy showed up, I think it was at the White House. I think some guy showed up at the White House. You see this guy who just got killed in, or got shot in Cambridge? So this guy, he had a shootout with the cops 3 years ago, went to jail for 3 years, got out, and was walking down the street in Cambridge just unloading his gun on passersby.

Oh, I saw that. Bah, bah, bah, bah.

Just shooting random people on the street. This guy had gotten in a shootout with the cops and only did 3 years.

That's insane, dude.

He got in a shootout with the cops. I think 20 bullets were exchanged and he only did 3 years.

Bro, here's the other problem is I saw they took a— again, whoever's doing these polls, you gotta be an idiot to get stopped on the street and do polls.

Look at this guy.

This is wild.

He's just walking down the street shooting at cars. Bro, by the way, I'm running that guy over.

Oh, 1,000%.

Especially if I'm in my Toyota, my Land Cruiser, where I know it's not gonna mess up my car.

That's insane.

Meanwhile, if I was in Cambridge though, I'd probably go to jail for life.

100%, you're fucked. Yeah, for defending the public. But I saw a survey said 1 in 4 Americans think the assassination attempts on the president are fake.

I wonder what percentage think the world's flat.

1 in 4.

Yeah, the people that thought that the Butler, Pennsylvania one was staged don't know anything about guns. That's That's a fact. I don't know anybody who knows anything about guns that thinks that the president would let some guy nick his ear with a bullet.

So dumb. So dumb.

That is— and the guy behind him, the firefighter who lost his life, that guy got shot by a bullet that was intended for Trump. And then there's a photo of a bullet whizzing by his face. Anybody that thinks that that's staged is out of their fucking mind.

Or the guy at the Correspondents' Dinner who rushed in. Yeah, they think that's fake. It's like, hold on, so you think this guy who's a teacher, educated, clearly kind of had his shit together, threw away his life?

Well, Tim Burchett, who I had on the podcast, the congressman, yeah, he thinks that guy was like some sort of an MKUltra type deal. And he says he thinks they still do that. He thinks someone's still doing—

I've always thought that. I'm not trying to steal— I'm sure he has way better points than me, but if they did MKUltra all those years ago, when you go through the list of Charles Manson, the Unabomber. You think it stopped, right? And you don't think they've gotten better with it?

Exactly.

So you just think they're like, okay, the public knows, we're gonna shut this down? No, dude. Yeah, they just— they expand on it. It gets better and better and better.

For sure they're still doing that. And that could have been Thomas Crooks too, the guy who tried to shoot Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania.

Yep.

That one was weird as fuck. That one's so weird because that guy's house was professionally scrubbed. He didn't even have silverware there. He had no online activity. He had no, like, social media ties. BlackRock ties.

Have you heard anything about him?

Nope. Gone.

How weird is that, dude?

Vanished. Like, what about the Charlie Kirk guy?

What about the guy who killed Charlie?

Right. We haven't heard nothing. One interview with them.

Not weird, dude.

Super weird. Nearly one-third of Americans, 30%, believe that at least—

30%—

at least one of the three attempts on Donald President's life over the last two years were staged. Wow. Attempted assassination, a majority of Americans said either that it was staged or that they were not sure. 54% said they either thought it was staged or not sure.

And that's the problem.

Only 38% of Americans believe all 3 assassination attempts were authentic. This is TikTok. It's fucking—

that's the problem. That's the fucking problem.

Rotten their fucking brains out from inside their heads.

I know, it's not good.

Meanwhile, you go on Chinese TikTok, it's all like traditional dance and martial arts, built-in science projects. Yeah, it shuts down for kids after 10 PM.

Yeah, and like, Americans, have fun.

Yeah, they're out your brain. They're doing such a great job.

Crush.

And then they sold it, right? So they sold it to that American company, and they're just gonna continue doing what the Chinese did and make the most amount of money, which is rotting people's brains out.

Don't give a fuck.

Wouldn't it be dope if this American company that bought it said, hey, there's clearly a problem 'with how things are emphasized and what your algorithm shows you. And what we're gonna do is promote, like, exceptional people doing exceptional things.' Don't you think they would get more users?

Because as a dad, I'd be like, 'Okay, you guys can have TikTok. They— there's some rules there. It's an educational thing.' Now, not a fucking chance, dude.

No, it wouldn't get more.

It would—

it would go right over to Instagram. Instagram's all assassination.

What if they did across the board? The board.

You would have to have no one cross that picket line, and they all would, because people are addicted to watching fucked-up street fights and crazy things now. Like, my algorithm is all like people fighting in parking lots, and there's so much of that, man.

Mine's just trucks, cars, and fucking fights on Instagram.

Yeah, so my problem is me and Segura every day send each other the worst thing what we find online.

I don't start my day like that.

I don't either. I don't either, but it's too late. But that's the only time I'm going to Instagram now, the only time. Then I'll check my—

you've kind of gotten off of it, right?

Yeah, this is so much better. It feels so much better. I go in occasionally and check Twitter to see what the news is, like what's trending, what's—

but you're not like reading the comments and all?

No, no, no. And I don't even go into the news feed because I used to go into the news feed, but everything I find, things about me all the time, like I don't want to hear what a douchebag I am. Like, come on, I'm not here for that.

I know it sucks, but it's—

so I can't avoid people getting mad at me or even saying nice things about me. I don't want to read that. No, I think what's better is I go to the trending stuff and find out what the news is. Yeah, so then I'll click on like, what the fuck is going on? And I'll check that out. Like, that's how I found out about this guy with the gun.

And you feel so much better, right?

Way better. And but I am also I'm also more often than not now not going there for my news, and I've kind of curated my Google News feed.

Smart.

To be much more interesting. Like, I get more stories, and it'll show me stories from X. Yeah. So then I can decide whether or not I want to actually open up X to read the story.

And did you stop drinking too?

I did, and then I went back. I'm back.

How back are you?

Not back crazy, but I'll have a couple of drinks every now and then. I haven't gotten drunk since I've been back.

Dude, I've been sober over 2 years. 2 years now.

That's nice.

Almost 3.

Feel good?

Feel great. Never been in better shape.

Yeah, it's—

I feel fucking—

it's definitely better for you. But I do like a glass of wine or 2 at dinner, and I do like a drink or 2 with the boys when we're at the club every now and then. Yeah, but I just— I was doing it too much.

Me too.

And then I recognized, and so I stopped.

Yeah, just— it wasn't benefiting me. And then also, you know, I have addictive personality. Like, if I do something, I gotta be all in. Like, on cars, like, literally one day I woke up like, I don't I need 11 cars and half of them are trucks and they're all the same, you know. It's just like when I get into something, I get so into it. But I'm getting— as I'm getting older, I'm getting better checking myself. Good.

That's good. Getting better at, um, that is very important to managing your life. It's really important.

It's growing up.

Well, it's also just realizing that there's some addictions that are just not beneficial at all, and then other ones that are really beneficial. So just get addicted to doing things that are good Yeah, facts. You know, but that's the problem, is that, you know, a lot of people can't regulate their addictions well. They're just not good at it, and so they just get caught up. And, you know, it could be anything.

Oh, you know, yeah, to preach, that's me.

Yeah, but it's also that same thing is what causes people to get good at stuff.

Correct.

Which is weird, you know, like if you show me a dude who can't get addicted to anything anything, like, not— there's not one thing that is taking up too much of your time, I probably can't hang out.

Correct. And it's not good.

Yeah, not good.

Yeah, because that same obsession is what led me— got me to the UFC or football.

Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Like, being all in on something, I think, is, uh, where— that's where obsession can lead. The scary one for me, I think— not for me personally, but when I see it— is gambling. Super scary. Because I see people that are really rich, not just Dana, but other people that I know that are really rich that gamble big numbers. And it freaks me out, like big poker games and crazy amounts of money they gamble and stuff. And I was like, I don't like that.

Like, but you get your rocks off in other ways. I think for those like super rich people, like, that's kind of like— they can buy any car, they can buy any house, or go on any trip. In order to get their rocks off, that's how they do it. Yeah, but it has to be a—

it has to be a big number for them to feel it.

The juice has to be so high.

If they bet $100 on something, they don't even That doesn't mean they might not even cash that ticket. Like, they don't feel it.

You know how you and I are similar with obsession. Do you, do your kiddos have that? Do you see it? Oh yeah.

Oh yeah, positive, super driven, but it's very positive. Kids imitate the atmosphere that they grow up in, and if your parents have a hard work ethic and they're disciplined and they're kind, generally speaking, that's how your kids come out. Yeah, I think that you want to see shitty kids. Yeah, I generally genuinely think that it's at least part of it is from the parents.

Dude, I coach my son's baseball and football teams. The crazy parents I deal with—

oh yeah, buddy, dude.

And I— for the kid— and I try to talk to the dads because most of them respect me. So I'll go, hey, can I give you some advice, man? You gotta back off, dude.

But they can't. They can't. It's that they can't. And you have to change who they are.

And I tell them, I'm like, I'm trying to help you I got here, you're, you're, you love baseball, whatever, you love football. Your son has told me he wants to quit. Now the reason he wants to quit is because you've made it not fun, right? He used to love this game when I first got here. Nothing he loved more than football. Now he wants to quit because you've made it a job for him. Mm-hmm. You fucked up, dude. And who's it gonna affect? A, it's gonna suck for him because he likes football. You're, you're not gonna be able to watch your kid play football, dude, because you decided to make it not fun.

You're gonna fuck up your relationship with your I don't try— I don't force my kids into doing it other than they have to go to school. I don't force my kids into doing anything they don't want to do. If they're not interested in it, you don't have to do it, but find something you are interested in.

That's my thing. Whatever you're into, let's ride. I don't give a fuck what it is. Just so happens it's baseball, football. Cool, let's ride, man.

Yeah, but you know, great personality for that, and that you're very encouraging your kids, but you're not— you're not— it's just— it's not you thinking that like your self-worth is not tied up to your kids' performance. You just want your kids to have fun.

Yep.

The problem is with some people, their kid is almost like their racehorse or something, you know what I mean? Like, it's like their, it's their whole personality gets wrapped around their kid being an elite athlete, brother.

And now it's worse because social media, right? It's like, it's, it's a business now. It's over a billion-dollar business. So now it's It's like there's these travel ball— when I was a kid, you have to be really fucking good. Well, now every parent wants to say their kids travel ball, so there's the majors and there's 2 teams at the majors, there's 3 AAA, 3 AA, 3 single-A. Mm. I just want my— I don't need the best 10-year-old, I just want him playing. So I don't give up. He made the majors team, I don't give a fuck if it's majors, AAA, rec, we're playing wherever. Have fun, have fun, and apply yourself something and apply yourself. And I don't give a fuck whether what level we're at, we'll play it all. And some of the parents, I'll come back from a tournament, like, oh, you played AA? I'm like, yeah, it's baseball, man. You think he can only play majors? So what, I can sit around the water cooler and brag to you guys? I don't know.

Crazy that people will like talk down about a kid who's not playing as good as other kids. Oh, it's like, what do you— but You know, that's the— it's like stage moms, you know, there's a thing like that with actors.

To your point, their identity's tied up in it.

Mm-hmm.

But they— what they don't realize is they're fucking it all up.

Oh yeah.

It's all gonna get fucked up.

I've seen that with a lot of young actors where their parents were like super involved in their career and then the kid just did not want to do it anymore. And generally, like, I've seen it a few times and one of them that I know really well where the parents stole money from the kid.

Fuck, dude.

Yes, he stole like $6 million. Jesus. I'll tell you who it is after the show.

That's terrible.

Oh, it's awful. It's awful. It's like devastated him to find out, but it's like that's what they're doing. They're using the kid as a piggy bank. They quit working. They relied entirely on the kid, and the kid's acting.

And what's the pressure on the kid?

10.

Oh, I gotta afford all this so we can fucking live, and I'm 9.

Not only that, but then, you know, the kid starts feeling like, hey, this is my fucking money.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I can't have cereal? Go fuck yourself.

He's the boss.

Yeah, I mean, he had problems with it too. They all have problems with it. And then on top of that, it's just super unhealthy for your kid to get famous when they're 10.

Horrible.

Also for pretending.

Horrible.

Famous for pretending. That's what— how's that gonna affect your personality? Yeah, well, there's a lot of parents out there, man, that just don't understand. You're developing a human human being. And one of the reasons they don't understand is they're not developed well.

Correct.

They're fucking nuts.

Or the biggest problem is usually the parents who never played, right? And they like, man, they'll see just a glimpse that their son has some talent, and then it's— they're the worst.

Did your kid into cars?

Yeah, big time.

Oh, that's nice. Big time. Gotta teach them how to drive so they don't do something stupid when they get old.

That's what I tell them all the time. Yeah, all the fucking time.

Yeah, don't—

oh no, they're gonna learn how to drive a manual. It's the easiest way to do your car. Jamie, you want to make sure your car doesn't get stolen? Buy a manual. The criminals these days don't even know how to drive one.

Do you know how to drive one?

Sure.

Oh, he's gonna burn that clutch. Look at him.

I haven't done it in a long time.

You could figure it out though. Yeah, especially if you're only driving 10 miles a day.

Perfect candidate. Just—

I just don't want to.

Uh, it's disappointing. Yeah, no, my kids know their shit.

Like, yeah, I mean, there's other—

there's so many other cars in the world.

It doesn't have to be that What do you like?

I don't get— so I don't— I'm not driving anywhere.

We know you like track cars. Okay, okay, okay.

But let's just put all that aside. What cars do you look at? You go, oh, I like that. Or do you look at a car that you like and go, that's a target?

No, it's a— if it's one I like, it ends up honestly being like, uh, like an X6, somewhere in that range. X5, X6, AMG GLE.

Okay, okay, now we're talking.

Yeah, so somewhere in there. Those are—

I'll tell you what, whoever made the new grilles on the BMW should be dick slapped into the hospital. Like, what the fuck did you do to one of the most iconic grilles in the hit— like the M4s, like, blah. Yeah, what did you do?

It's— they, they just trying to switch it up, you know, and they missed.

Let that go through. Who greenlit that? The only one that looks good or looks decent is the 7 Series. There's something about the proportions of the 7 Series with that big grill. It doesn't bother me.

That M2 is fucking tasty too though.

Okay, that's dope.

Those things can cook.

They didn't get it goofy with the grills. Yeah, come the fuck on with that.

They've sort of fixed it as time's gone by, but it's still got a big gap like that.

Yeah, I don't like it. The earlier ones were the grossest ones. But look at that right there, the lower— I'm sorry, the— that one's good, but the left one, the white one, the white one to the— yeah, that's it.

Look at—

that's perfect. That's perfect.

Yeah, it's pretty.

That's perfect.

Do you still have the M5?

Uh, no, but I do have, uh, the E46 M3. Oh yeah, those are cool. The 2005.

That one's fucking awesome.

That one's fucking great. That was literally a perfect car. That's a great car. Like, like that one. That one's gross. That grille, the lower right one, the bronze color one.

Blech.

Yeah, my brother has that new M2 manual and that thing fucking—

oh, M2s are amazing. Those are amazing. BMW, to their credit, is still making manual transmissions, which is a little better. Do they make a manual in the M5? They don't, right?

Uh, I don't think so.

I think the M5 is only— does it make Manual.

The M5s are so heavy now, that's their issue.

Yeah, manual's not the first thing coming up.

Yeah, I don't think they make it in a manual transmission anymore. See if it says manual transmission.

That one's automatic.

Yeah, I think they make the M4 manual. Yeah. Oh, 6-speed, but that's the E60 V10. That's an old one.

Those are dope. The V10s are cool.

V10s sound amazing. They sound amazing. My, uh, E46 is not that fast. There it is. That's old. Yeah, yeah. So the last— that's— those are the last ones they made in the manual. But my E46 is small. It's— it—

that's what you want.

It doesn't weigh a lot. It handles really good. It's got hydraulic steering, manual transmission, and, uh, you know, it's a Dynan, so it has a supercharger on it, so it's a little faster. So it's like 400-something horsepower. But monster, dude. It's just fun. It just— you feel it while you're driving it, and they look fucking awesome.

Weird. And I was trying to track that, said that they got two of them that were— unless there's only two vehicles here.

What does it say?

Might be— it might be just not an American thing. Does that make—

no, those are old. No, I know.

I'll tell you what I saw.

Uh, oh, that they— so put, put in 2026 BMW M5 manual.

I just saw that we got two versions of the BMW M5 with a manual that the rest of the world missed out on. That's what I saw, I was clicking on.

When does that though, if you click on it? I think 2025, right? But I think they're talking about old cars. I think they're doing a history. BMW, because it says two versions, they're talking about older cars.

BMW still has great interiors too. Oh yeah, some manufacturers still fucking do it right.

BMW does it right. They're really good. It's a solid car. Then the M— the new M5, even if it isn't a manual, is a fucking screamer of a car.

They're monsters.

Yeah, but they have to make them hybrids now. I know, it's because of all the fucking— all the environmental—

Trump got rid of the engine start. You know how when you stop?

Oh yeah, he got rid of that. That's good. Yeah, that's— I don't like—

drives me nuts.

And I don't like that in some cars I have to press the don't do that at every red light. Don't do that. I hate it. Don't do that. Hate it. Hate it.

It drives me fucking nuts.

You're not saving anything. All you're doing is cooking my starter. Yeah, because the starter's got to start.

How crazy that Trump was like, I'm getting rid of that.

So annoying parking next to one of these.

Oh, is that a Maserati?

Yeah, it's sick.

Oh boy, those are cool in person. They're really nice.

Yeah, those are dope.

That's a beautiful car. Why don't you get one of them, Jamie?

Well, uh, what's up? I don't know, he's worried about the attention.

I just had a tire problem for— I didn't go that far. Those Model S tires just like fell apart after 10,000 miles.

I know, that was The way your tires fell apart was weird. It didn't make any sense because he said he had a flat tire and then he got a look at it and was like, there's the wires around. He'd worn down the, the tread at 10,000 miles.

Well, that's the problem with electric cars because they're so heavy, so you're going through tires faster.

But I didn't think it would be that fast.

10,000 miles. Jerry might be driving like a maniac though.

Fucking nutty. I bet he is. Yeah, it's going so wire, dude.

You know, ratchet. You got to be to wear down to the wire.

I think it's That's the weight. Yeah, it's the weight because we looked it up and it was like 15,000 miles. So he's just a little bit more lead foot, a little more lead foot. Lead foot Jamie.

Just a sign to get out of the way as he gets older.

We're talking, um, lead foot Jamie.

These are dope. Aston Martins are dope.

Fuck yeah, now we're talking. Come on, Jamie.

You know some good shit, dude.

I just don't like Blackwing Cadillac.

Okay, okay, you don't like Cadillac.

Okay, that's fine. Awesome.

Okay, it's fine. Everybody has different tastes. That's fine. As long as you like that, you like something.

Dude, I'll go on Facebook Marketplace for you. We'll get you a Trackhawk. We'll get you Aston Martin.

Gotta get something. We gotta get him something fun.

Let us know the budget, dude.

He seems a little hesitant, but he does seem open to it. Yeah, well, you drove race cars before around the track.

That's fun.

That's—

I do that all the time.

But you could buy a car that you can drive.

We're gonna have a— don't want studio at the track.

More fun to not drive your own race car.

That's true, that's true. You don't worry about fucking it up. That's a good point. So your show's on Tubi?

Show's on Tubi, Gearheads Gone Wild. There's 4 episodes.

Um, and are you releasing new ones?

You can binge watch all 4 of them right now, and then if the 4 do well, they're gonna order a bunch more. And that's where I do Hennessy, Gun Works. I got some big boys.

How long are each show?

Uh, I think they're like 28 minutes Beach.

Yeah, okay, cool. And it's Gearheads Gone Wild.

Yes, they're on Tubi.

Yep. First time I ever go to Tubi. I've never been to Tubi.

Please do.

I did. I, I only heard about it like a year ago.

I just found out about it 3 months ago.

I just can't believe it has that many fucking—

when they're like, we gotta buy Tubi, I'm like, okay, let's fucking do it. They've been awesome.

That's great.

It's easy to watch.

Yeah, well, someone's gonna be watching it. There's that many people. Uh, but it sounds Awesome, dude. I'm glad you're doing something that you enjoy.

Yeah, it's our shit. All right, brother, you'll love it, man.

Thanks for joining us. I love you. Thank you. Thank you. All right, goodbye everybody.

See you.