Transcript of Episode #55 Featuring Dr. Jaban Moore! HOW CONVENTIONAL HEALTH CARE GETS IT WRONG! The Neurotoxic Loop, Complex Chronic Illness, EXPOSING WATER QUALITY and CONTAMINANTS, Dangers of Mold, and more!

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Now, one of his things that he says is, You're not broken. You just haven't had the right approach. This resonates with me and all of you that follow me. He really understands your struggles because he's actually lived it. His journey into root cause started long before he ever wore a white coat. As a child, he watched his mother's health decline for years without clear answers. She gained 100 pounds. She battled high blood pressure, chronic fatigue, depression, and ulcers. Amongst other things, he watched his mother's painful preventable decline really help shape his lifelong mission, and that is to look behind symptoms and uncover what's really going on. He does some of the most amazing work that I've seen. He does functional medicine. He goes way deeper understanding deeper causes and chronic symptoms. He does every single thing that I stand by and I live by. He's a faithful man. He's a spiritual man, and just an overall damn quality person. My friends, meet Dr. Jaben Moore.

Hey, man. Thanks for that intro. I've lived this journey, which is why I'm so passionate about it, when you watch your mom just fall apart at 40. I'm 39 right now. So watching her fall apart at 40, I'm going How could this have been prevented? That has led down this path of where she is today with her stomach removed, her thyroid removed, and lymph nodes removed, and depression and anxiety. I just realized that with every person, there is not one thing. There's never one thing that brings us to our breaking point. There are multiple things that bring us there. It's an analogy that I give to people. Jay came up with this backpack analogy of your life, as you go through you accumulate burdens. If you think of them as weights that you can put in your backpack, it starts to make sense. That childhood trauma is a weight. Right. Grab that weight, put that 50 pound weight in your backpack. You can make it through life. You can still hike a mountain. You can still have kids. You can still play some sports. But it's 50 pounds. It slows you down a little bit.

How many of these things do you have? How many of you have dead tested? How heavy is your backpack? Can you walk? Can you even stand? Can you get out of bed? When you start talking to people with things that make sense, it helps them to understand. I think about my mom. She lost her father at six. She grew up extremely poor. She was working a corporate job She was so stressed out. She wasn't eating right. She had her wisdom teeth removed that ended up with dry socket. We can get into the whole dentistry thing later. But I think that led to cavitations and her whole entire body crash in every imaginable way. The crazy thing was, is she wasn't even diagnosed with diabetes, even though she had been sick for three years.

Really?

Until she got into a car accident and the ER doctor asked, Are you diabetic? And she said, No. Then he came back after running her blood two more times to confirm. He's like, No, you are diabetic. You add all that burden in the backpack. Then if you let it run rampant from poor medical management versus just catching it when it's getting going and saying, Hey, do some different things. Because she was trying to lose weight by eating the chicken and vegetable diet and working out 2 hours a day versus trying to manage all these other things. This journey we're on in health is a passion.

That's what it should be, and that's where I find myself attracted to the most types of different individuals that have that same spectrum and thinking that I have, where it's looking at everything from the broader perspective and seeing everything for what it really is, not what we're necessarily told, because you and I both know that everything's broken and what we're told and what we're led to believe. At the fault of some and at the fault of not some that are doing it because it's what they're taught, and they don't know any better. I think one of the main reasons I do what I do is my purpose here is to get people's message out that understand and know that, and they're actually trying to make a difference and help, that have the right motives, that have the right knowledge, and that know the nonsense that goes on, and they know how to combat it and get around it. That's where you come in. I didn't necessarily want to say that stuff in the beginning, but it's who you are. It's why you became what you were, and you're open to talk about it. Normally, I get into what happened to you to make you do what you do, but I think we have an idea.

But let's talk about it a little more because in what I've come to know about you, there was a lot of things that you went through growing up yourself, too, that you've overcome. I want to talk about that, how it shaped what you do now and what's been the other motivating factors driving you to be who you are and what you do today.

Just to touch on what you were saying, a lot of stuff that is in health care today makes no sense. We're taught that your health is too complicated. Just trust someone else with it, this or that. I'm like, I'm here to be the first to tell you as someone that's been doing this for more than a decade, health is pretty freaking logical. It is not so complicated that your average person can't understand it. If you eat ultra high-processed food, you're not going to be well long term. If you don't sleep, you're not going to be well long term. If you don't care for your body or find rest, you're not going to be well. I mean, those are very probably well accepted things from people that are listening to you. But even when you get even more complicated into it and you start getting into to, I don't know, parasites. Do we have parasites? No, we're told absolutely not. Well, let's just step back a moment. Parasites have been here as long as mankind has been alive. We know we have a bunch of bacteria in our gut. We know we have a bunch of fungus in our gut.

They're naturally there. They have to be there. We do not live without them. We eat either the same food or worse food than the animals that are around us. We live in the same environment. We touch the same dirt. We put our head on the same pillow for some of us that have animals. How are we not going to have parasites? That's not logical. It doesn't even make sense, but that's what we're led to believe. I just wanted to touch on that because it is so important for people to be empowered to go do their research. Thank you. To get out and learn enough to at least be able to have that conversation and ask the questions about their health. Because as soon as you start doing that, answers start coming. Yes.

As much as I know and as much as I've my head around, I still have at times, even with what you just said, which I know to be a million % true when it comes to parasites, when it comes to heavy metals, when it comes to all these things that nobody touches on or tests, we're programmed to think that that's bullshit. It's not at all. But even me that knows that, that preaches it, that talks about it every day, when you're talking about it, there's this little part of me that will still fight me and go, Oh, whatever. Because that's how we've been trained our whole lives. It's a nonstop training of our mind and our understanding that that stuff is far more than a reality. It's an actuality. It's something that everybody probably has. It's amazing, the people that I'm sure you see constantly that I see friends of mine run these detoxes and look at this stuff that came out of me. Worms and bugs. I know you get into a lot of this. I do, too. I believe in it so thoroughly. I'm an integrative health practitioner. I was taught by some of the best naturopathics functional doctors about all of these things intrinsically.

You and I speak the same language on everything. I want your insight on When you started to realize, wow, there's so much more that I wasn't taught that we were never taught, and then how you've really broadened that throughout your years and your understanding of it and implemented it into what you do.

This takes us full circle to the other half of the question that you asked, which is, how did I get here? Then that took me down this just rabbit hole of learning that if you're inquisitive, you're going to go down. That's just the way it is as a health provider. If you have an open mind, your patients are going to teach you the things you need to learn, or they're going to bring to you the questions that then you have to go figure out and research to learn. I myself had Lyme disease. I was 25 I was five years old, and I had graduated college with my pre-med exercise science dual majors, and I was going to chiropractic school, and I was learning, but I was also a shot putter in college. I was an all-American shot putter. I was this big boy. I was 250 pounds, and I lost that weight, and I got in shape, and I got a six-pack, and I was healthy-looking, and I crashed and burned. I didn't know why. I didn't know what was happening inside my body. I had brain fog, I had joint pain. I ended up with erectile dysfunction, which was really hard for me to talk about when I first started getting onto social media and podcast because ego and all, right?

It's not something I want to be talking about. Yeah, I get it. Now I just realized that it empowers others to just get out and talk about what's going on with them. I'm just like, Okay, this is what I dealt with. I had Lyme disease, and the problem was, is we didn't really have a whole lot of podcasts in 2011, 2012. We didn't have a lot of social media that was pumping out all this health information, and I wasn't really looking either, but I wanted help, so I was asking the docs in school, and I was going to friends, and I was going to functional medicine conferences, and No one was giving me answers. They were giving me more supplements or they were giving me more medications to solve a problem. A little blue pill will fix it. Well, if you don't want to use a pharmaceutical, you take allergenine. I'm like, I don't want a band-aid. I want to What's the solution? What's the problem? Even today, so many conferences I go to, it's, Well, this pill solves that problem, or this therapy solves that problem. I'm like, Great. I know it helps it.

I'm not saying it's bad. But how do I get to a point where I can live my life without all that stuff? For me, I was going through Lyme. I got introduced to a guy named Alan Linsley. He's a doctor in Wisconsin, and he is a phenomenal Lyme expert. I went up there, and after years of searching for an answer, and within a couple of weeks, I felt 50% better. I just made drastic progress because, well, he was a heavy-handed individual, and herxing wasn't in his language, and he just hammered me, and I just dealt with it. Even though I was tired and brainfuck and fatigued and all the other things. He's a farm boy, right? I grew up on a farm, ended up being an engineer that led to being a doctor. But I started seeing progress, and then I had made to what I thought was well. And I graduated. And this is free virtual practices. He's just like, Well, if I find anybody in your area, I'm sending them to you. I'm like, I'm brand new in practice. You're going to send me the most complicated Lyme disease that nobody No doctor wants to work with patients.

And he's like, Yep, good luck. And it was a blessing because I had time. I was new into practice, started my own. I didn't have patients. So when I got one, I was taking care of them and I was going to research how to help them.

Yes, because you had time.

Because I had time. I got to learn about everything that they were dealing with and all the related solutions to it and listen to all the podcasts, and all the people that were on YouTube at the time, I think was the big thing. Yeah. Well, I got good at lime. I got really good at lime. He helped me a lot to deal with lime. But then there were people that weren't getting better. Then I figured out parasites. Then I got really good at those people. Then there were people not getting better. Then I learned how heavy metals. You repeat that story until I learned about mold, until I learned about radioactive elements like uranium that's in the water. I go on conferences to Scotia, Arizona. Guess what's in the water here?

A lot of bad.

A lot of uranium. The only way you remove that as a distiller, that is it. Otherwise, I get people, I get their hair test, and that's just full of uranium, and they're sick, and I'm like, Okay, well, this makes sense. You start going down these rabbit holes, and the people you're working with, clients that keep coming in and get more and more complicated as you get better. I never intended to work with kids. I didn't have that intention. The way that went is I had a guy come in. He looked me dead in the eyes, says, If you don't get me better, this is it. I was just like, You can't say that to me because then I have to go and report it. We're friends now because he got better. He was one of the first people I got to work with. He looks me, he goes, Can you help my son? I go, What's going on with your son? He's autistic. I don't know anything about autism. He goes, Well, what did you do for me? I looked at him and was like, Well, I removed interference, figured out anything that was causing inflammation, and we're here now.

Can you do that for him? Sure, yeah. Then he's coming home from school lying. I thought that was bad. I just watched your ears drop. You're like, Is that a good thing or bad thing? When an autistic kid that's severe learns to lie, it means that they have critical thinking enough to be creative enough to make something up to get what they want. I was like, so I did the same thing. He told me he's lying. I'm like, Is that bad? He's like, No, it's amazing. It's development. Then he grabs an iPad, he hands it to his dad, and he goes to his room to play it, which means he has spatial awareness that they can play together. Yeah. Well, now he's in college.

Wow.

I'm not saying we can do that with every kid because I've seen a spectrum of successes. But it's just like when you're curious and you're in this world, you just dig. Yes.

That is what has frustrated me so much over the past few years. You and I are close, similar in age. We're very close. One of the things that I was taught as I was growing up was to always ask questions. It was a good thing. It was important. Anybody that studies a lot and is an understander of science knows you always question it. It changes. It's evolving. There's How did we stop our technology? We went from VHS to DVD to Blu-ray. How did that happen? Well, because somebody questioned it, they dug, they figured it out. Well, so why don't we do that with everything? Isn't that how we learn about different aspects of health? How do we come up with new medicines? Well, we study, we learn, we find problems that, Okay, well, how do we figure out how to fix this? Well, we look into it and we keep asking questions. Then during COVID time and around that time, it became, Don't question anything. Don't ask questions. It's a bad thing. Don't question anything. Just do what you're told. I'm thinking, Really? Since when? How does that work? How do we figure anything out if we don't ask anything?

Why where I came from in the supplement industry and that type of industry, why was I being told when I was working with products that had only been out 20 and 30 years, well, we don't have enough data on that. 20, 30 years? Yeah, I get it. We want to see longer data on the effects of this. But you're telling me something that you just made, we need to shut up and just accept it. And that's becoming more problematic with a lot of drugs that are being used. And I don't want to get into the whole anti-government thing or anti-big pharma, but I do want to bring actual facts as opposed to these people that go crazy conspiracy. You and I know what we see. We deal with it every single day. You deal with it at practice. I deal with it through people that come to me in multitudes wanting answers. What I find is that what everybody says, this is like the end-all-cure-all to things, may do one good thing and do 20 bad things, like a statin, for example. I had to learn that by having my own heart condition and refusing to take it because I'd studied it and learned it.

How big of a problem do you think that is, and where do you think that that's going? Do you find that more people are waking up, or do you find it's getting worse?

Oh, man. Did you see the group of guys that got together and sent in research, false research, completely garbage on purpose. They sent it into the journals and got it published? No, I didn't. I don't know their names. I can't remember, but we were talking at lunch, and there was this group of guys that they were just wanting to see how far they could take it. They wrote up a bunch of crap, completely false, sent it into journals, got it published. Then they kept pushing it, and they kept making it more just outlandish and crazy. They just kept doing it, doing it, doing it, doing it, until they finally were just like, This is all garbage. This is all completely Made up.

Wow.

People are doing that thing. During COVID, the trust for medical providers dropped from something like 71% to the near 40. That's bad. Trust died. Instead of trust science, it went way the other way. When we figure out the half the junk that they told us to do is completely made up, instead of just telling us, Hey, we think this might help, saying, No, the science says this. I think there is a huge swing in people just going, I don't know what to believe. It doesn't mean that they're necessarily open-minded to what we do or I do in practice every day, but they're just not believing everything they hear anymore. I think that is really coming along. I think that people like you and I that are educating from the heart, making it simple is really important. It's allowing people to, when they have a problem, run down the rabbit hole. I mean, shoot, I have a Instagram pod, real go to 10 million, and it's like weird symptoms from nutrient deficiencies. It's not that complicated of a topic, but it's a really simple, really useful topic that allows people to go, Hey, I'm having this thing.

Maybe I should get checked for that nutrient deficiency. Or weird signs from your skin. Okay, you have these little things in the back of your arm. Is it a gluten intoler? Is it something else that's going on? You have rosacea on your face. Is there some immune suppression viral issue? We have a lot of histamine responses. Do I live in mold? There's all of these signs and symptoms you can so easily get information today that I think now it comes down to trust of where the information comes from more than accessibility to it today. I think the guys like you, like you said, people come to you in droves when you have somebody on or when you're talking about something. It's honestly us going out and building character so that people can trust us, standing by what we do, talking about what we do. I'm super honest. I am super, duper honest with what I do. I'm like, Look, I'm imperfect. I do not live this functional medicine lifestyle 100% all day, every day. You and I were having a conversation about, What do we have for dinner? I'm just like, Man, you know what?

My goal for every client I work with is this. It's to get them to the ability to be able to adapt to the world and still enjoy it sometimes. Not always. If they want to go out and go on the golf course, have an old-fashioned afterward, they should be healthy enough their body can handle that. That's right. It doesn't mean it's good for them. It's not good for anyone to drink alcohol. It's not good for anyone to eat junk food.

No.

But your body should have the ability to adapt to it every once in a while. If that's the choice you want to make. You should just be educated on what that choice means, and your body should be strong enough to handle it. I have so many people that are coming to me. They're like, I have to eat vegan, and I have to take 14 supplements at every meal, and if I don't red light and meditate, I crash. I'm like, You're not healthy. You're not healthy if you need all of that. You're healthy when you can wake up, and although you have a routine, if it breaks, you're If you forgot your supplements, you're good. If you have to eat off reservation, you're not fearing it. That's adaptability, and that's what everybody should be able to get to. If they can find a person that can work with them on their unique needs and get their body elevated back to optimal.

One of the things that you brought up there that's so important that I think people will struggle with is, okay, like you said, it's okay to have a drink here and there. Don't make it a habit. But people will... Everybody's got to press stuff. They have one, oh, I got away with it. Let's have two. It turns into 20 before you. That's the problem. Same like a piece of birthday cake on a special occasion. What you said, you should be able to do it once and be okay. But it doesn't mean you got away with it once. Okay, let's start doing it weekly. I see that when I see people like you, me and people, and we go do a video, we make it, and we start discussing these habits and everything. If you're not perfect, you and me, the other influencers that do it, oh, my gosh, it's like, nobody's saying that we're giving you the education on the things that you need to know. That means do it the best you can. Make these changes. If you make them, it doesn't mean that it has to be 100% of the time, but probably 90.

I mean, in that range. I think it's important. I'm so glad you said that because a lot of us, I think that a lot of people that teach the videos don't convey that. I know I haven't perfectly either. It's important to say we're still human. The thing about being human is that the difference between the people that make it and that don't is that they realize like, Hey, okay, that's fine, but don't do it again, or let's keep it to a minimum. Let's not make this a bad habit. You have to be careful because it's very easy to form a bad habit and to get fall back into it. I love that point. Perfect point that you made. What do you find are some of the biggest misconceptions that people do? For me, for an example, it's like cholesterol. It's one of the things that I have to talk about a lot because they wanted me to have my cholesterol in the '40s and '30s, and I'm like, Dude, no. No, there's no way in hell. I actually got into a fight, which I rarely do with my mom and my wife, and that is a rare thing.

We drove all the way from Des Moines, Iowa, to wherever the Mayo Clinic is in Minnesota, when I first... The Brauchest or wherever it is. I don't know. I had done so much research about statin use, PCSK9 inhibitors, the different types of drugs, because what I found was I had an elevated LP, which 95% of the people listening would have no clue what that is because doctors don't test for it.

No.

Because they found plaque in my arteries and we're going, What the hell? How? I have some prior drug use in my 20s and some eating disorder battles, but the way that I eat, take care of myself, none of it makes sense. I found the LP little A myself because the doctor that I went to that was like, Well, that's not necessary to test for it. You only test for it once. If it's high, you're stuck with it, which is also nonsense because I've dropped it several hundred points, but that's beside the point. Do we I go to Mayo Clinic, I start telling them I have an elevated Lp, a. This is Mayo Clinic. I bring up RAPAPHA, VASIVA, obscure drugs that cost a lot of money that no one wants to write your prescription. They told me it would be bad practice to put me on these medications. Take my statin and don't worry about anything. You'll be fine. Then I get an argument on the way home with them, Well, you need to listen to the doctors. I'm like, Who am I talking to in the car? Come to find out the statin was going to make things very, very much worse.

All the statin is going to do is harden the plaque and then cause a slew of other problems. Doesn't even prevent CVs at all. None of it doesn't prevent death, anything. What I've taken is drop my LP little A the The last time I checked from 3: 30 down to 90, which I told was absolutely impossible. The point being is I went to who was supposed to be the best in the world that know everything, that told me it would be bad practice to do what I said. That is why I am the king of cholesterol study now and talking about cardiology. I've spent years of my life now working on it. I guess my question to you off that example is, what is your specialty and what do you see the problem with the most? I'm sure there's a hundred things that you have to battle.

The thing I work with the most is just complex chronic illness, which what does that even mean? Autoimmune conditions, conditions where people are just stuck in these chronic fatigue, brain fog, body pain. They're stuck. Those fibromyaldras. I work with a lot of people that are just stuck. They're just absolutely stuck. They're the lost, the left behind, the undiagnosed, or maybe they're diagnosed and just told, Oh, it just sucks. Good luck. Here's a biologic medication. I'm going to go after this to answer this question. At first, it's not going to make a lot of sense, but I'm going to break into it. It's the neurotoxic loop. That's where I'm going to start with it. What does this mean? It's that your body, when you really start breaking it down, there's a few things that make you sick, a few things that just take away all of your energy. When I think about people having energy, I think about a bank account. You have a hundred bucks to spend in a day. How do you spend it? Well, half of it's going to be on breathing and digesting. Then some of it's on going to work, and some of it's on your family.

Let's say it's like 15 bucks each there, so we're at $80. Well, this is why when people feel good, they have a little bit of extra energy, they can go work out, they can spend their energy there. A lot of the people that I'm working with in this neurotoxic group have other things stealing their energy. I said it earlier in the burdens, one of those things is trauma. Did you know that trauma can actually trigger the same inflammatory response as COVID?

Really?

It can trigger the same inflammatory response as mold or all these other big bag uglies that we all know and are like, Oh, I want to stay away from it. When you are stressed out to the max, when you have a PTSD or a trauma, or even if you stress your own body too far through things like, and I love working out, by the way, and I used to do this, CrossFit, if you stress your body too far, you can trigger similar inflammatory responses to infections. That's the neuro part of the loop here.

So like overtraining, for example.

Overtraining, overstressing. If you're a worrywart, a perfectionist, a little OCD, you're an A-type, you can drive your stress level so far that it can trigger immune responses.

Really?

That's the neuro part. Then Now let's talk about the loop into the toxins. Then I got to bring them back together. Many people are living in houses. About 50% to 70% of buildings in the United States have a water damage mold problem. Does every house have mold? Yes. If you're listening right now and you're like, Well, what makes it good and bad? Do I live in this house? Is it affecting me? We could do an entire podcast on that. But to break down mold just really quickly is there are several mold types that are worse than others. You can figure out if they're producing producing microtoxins, which are the toxins that come out of the molds. If there's enough of those, it's bad and it causes you a problem. Most of us know about black mold or stakibotrys. This can get in the air, and just a tiny, tiny amount of it can make you really, really sick. It's pretty common in desert areas. It's pretty common in water-damaged houses. It comes from around your shower and under your toilets. With mold, there's a huge misconception. We're like, Okay, hey, mold We ran an air test in the middle of your house.

It was clean. We're good, right? No, absolutely not. Stakibotris is heavy. The microtoxin is heavy dropped right to the floor. It's not going in air machine. You know what those air tests are really good for? Allowing you to sell your house. That's it.

Good to know.

Yeah. I'm going to divert from mold, but mold is a big topic that we see a lot of. Radioactive elements in the water. Half of the United States, 170 million Americans are drinking radioactive water. What is radioactive elements do, like uranium and radium. They kill cancer. You took enough radiation, what's it do? It kills you. Now, I'm not saying there's that much in water, but it can suppress your immune system. So that toxic piece of mold, radioactive elements, you mentioned heavy metals earlier, Lyme disease, parasites, Epstein-Barr virus, which gets all this notoriety on social media and all over the place in studies. These things are all linked. Did you know there was a study of autopsies done on patients with MS? 100% of those autopsies found parasites in the brain?

Let me ask you this, not to go off topic, but how would someone know?

There's a few okay places out there that are starting to do parasite testing. The majority of your parasite tests are useless because they're looking for ovum, and it's a tech that's running the test. They're given three minutes in the lab to look for the eggs, and that's it. You could literally put a parasite on the top of it, send it in. They won't look at it. They'll move it to the side, and they'll look for the This has been done. Doctors have done that, sent it in, and they're just like, I can't miss it. But it's not a pathologist that's trained in all the pieces and the legs. It's a tech. I'm not dogging techs either. They're just not trained to do what a pathologist is trained to do. So human parasite testing is just crap in the United States. You send it to a vet, oftentimes they'll find it, but then you can't send human food to a vet. So there's things there. But what I'm saying is, Most people have parasites. It's, is your body suppressed enough by everything else that we've mentioned in my neurotoxic loop to allow the parasite to get out of hand and cause you damage?

Because they're there, but are they pathogenic is the question. Going back to that neurotoxic loop is, you can have the toxins that can suppress your body. They can absolutely break you down. You have no trauma, no stress, and they can crush you. They can make you very sick, and that could be all that's hitting you. Or you can have trauma. The study from Kaiser showed that If you had a childhood adverse event, so an event that you felt like was difficult as a child mentally, it increased your likelihood of an autoimmune condition, 80%.

That's insane.

That can cripple your body because it causes inflammatory responses as long as you're dealing with that trauma. When does trauma go away for you? When you deal with it, right? It could be there for a lifetime. Now you have this that can get you sick, and you have this that can get you sick. The biggest thing I see keeping people sick, the toxins. Can they cause you to be traumatized when you lose your function? Then now you're traumatized from being sick. I've seen that a lot.

Oh, yeah.

Can you be traumatized that weakens your immune system and allows for organisms to grow? Yeah. What happens when you have both? You have a neurotoxic loop, and both will keep you sick. If you do not deal with both, you will not get well.

Wow. I mean, it sounds crazy when I say crazy, not like nuts crazy. Like, wow, Because I always say stress is a killer, stress is a killer. People take that as a saying, but it's not a saying, it's a reality. For you, knowing that these two things are such a problem, and they're so prevalent, I mean, everybody's got some stress now how we handle this are different. What do you do, personally, to treat people? Because when I think of stress treatment, immediately my head goes to Xenex or You know what I mean? Some medicine that's going to get prescribed you for a mental challenge or issue. I don't know all of the medicines anymore. Prozac, all of that garbage, essentially. What do you do when it comes to that?

Everybody listening right now primarily is on two different sides.

Yeah.

I mean, honestly, in this realm, it's like Democrats and Republicans sometimes. They don't want to see each other. No. These two groups that I'm talking about, there's a group of people that are like, My mindset is so strong. I've done the meditation, the ayahuasca, the limbic retrain, the somatic exercises, the breathwork. They are on it. They're like, I'm going to do this, and that's going to fix me. They don't want to hear about their toxic load. Why am I not better? Then you've got your, I've taken antibiotics and antifungals, anti-parasitics, and every herb, and I have coffee enema, and I'd flushed my body out, and I've done it. You name it. I've done B Venom, and they've done it all. Don't tell me my mindset's not right. I am A-type, and I have done everything. It's just so interesting because right now, both sides are like, Wait a minute. Not working. But they're not well. I get both sides of that coin. It's so interesting in my practice because I get the person in and I look at their chart and I'm like, Man, You've done it all. You've done 17 journeys with ayahuasca, you've done psilocybin, you've been on every depression medication there has been, you've done talk therapy, you've done EMDR neurofeedback, and they're just like, You've got something different there, right?

Yeah.

I'm like, Sure. You've done everything over here. We're going over to this side. We're going to start with herbs, and we're going to slowly titrate in, and we're going to work on your body. Then you got the other side that I've done everything, every cocktail you can imagine, every medication you've imagined. I'm just like, Have you ever thought about doing a little bit of limbic retraining? They're like, I don't have time for that. I'm like, You have time to take 17 pills at every meal, do 3 hours of red light, an hour of sauna, your coffee enema, and you name something else, 16 peptides. But you don't have time to spend 30 minutes working on your mindset. So what do I What I do in my practice? I try to identify what people have done and haven't done. I try to figure out what their personality is like in the call. Would anybody call you a little bit of an overachiever, maybe a little A-type, maybe a people-pleaser at all? Oh, yeah. You can see if it's the wife sitting there that I'm working with, the husband in the background. But I can't look over there and show her that he's nodding because I don't start any fights that cause more stress and lead to more problems.

I try to work my way in there and gently just get an understanding of someone. I'm like, Look, you've done a lot of this detox stuff. We need to start working on the nervous system. I love limbic somatic vagal nerve exercises as a non-negotiable start point for people that haven't done the work. In my intake paperwork, we ask about dental work. Do you have wisdom teeth removed? Eighty-six % of people that have had wisdom teeth removed have cavitations, which is a hole that allows for bacteria to grow. Have you had implants put into your body? Do you take medication? Are you sensitive? Do you live in mold? Have you tested for radon? But I also have, do you have childhood trauma? Do you feel like you're stressed out? Do you have adult trauma? Have you ever been abused? I have these types of questions in there to where I get a full picture of this person, and then we work our way down to, what do you actually yourself need to start with? Because I don't have a start point. People get mad at me all the time. They're like, What's your protocol? How do you get it going?

What is the first thing you get to do? And then what's the next thing? You've given me my year-long plan for working with you starting today. No. I'm going to give you step one. I'm going to see how that responds because that's a test in and of itself after I just ran 300 biomarker tests anyway. I've talked a lot about nervous system in that category because that's such a missed piece. I still, with the neurotoxic loop, found that you had six microtoxins from mold, three co-infections of Lyme disease, two bacterial infections, Candida yeast, and oxalets. At the same time, I'm saying, do the nervous system work. I'm going, Okay, here is my roadmap of all the things we found. This is the order that I think your body is going to want us to go. They're like, Is that for everybody? No, it's not for everybody. It's different for each person. I'm going, We're going to start by making sure you're pooping, opening up your pathways to allow your body to excrete toxicities. Then we're going to go into the lowest hanging fruit, which is probably in your colon, because that's where you poop from.

That's the easiest place to remove stuff from to begin with. We're going to go there with either parasites or bacteria. We're going to do both at the same time, because if you're super toxic, your nervous system is going to be in fight or flight. If you're in fight or flight, your immune system is not going to be able to defend you. We have to do both.

See, one of the things that I've struggled with, I think since the beginning of becoming a nutritionist or people that works with people is explaining there's no one answer because it's person-to-person specific, because every single person is different on what their actual issue is, how their body handles it. I mean, you know this. There's a slew of things that if you're really doing your job, you don't just give anybody the same protocol. You might have something that correlates, and you notice that and you see it, but there's no cookie cutter answer for so many things that everybody wants that. What's the best diet? How do I drop 20 pounds? How do I do this? And it's like, I don't know. I don't know until I get data and more data and more data, and then I test the data and see how you respond, and then I monitor you, and then I check this, and I know That a lot of people even listen and don't want to hear that. But that's the reality. That's the reality is that every single thing that we do is different. That's what sets you apart because you not only grasp that, but you practice it.

But I think that, and I'm assuming here, so you correct me if I'm wrong, I'm assuming that one of the big battles that you have to overcome is dealing with people that don't want to accept that, that want quick answers. I'm assuming people that come to you are probably ready to accept some of those things I'm saying, but there's At least those people that just want it right now.

Oh, for sure. It's how long am I going to take to get well? Mm-mm. Well, I mean, looking at the fact that you have all the things mentioned earlier, and you've never regulated your nervous system, that's a six-month process alone. For somebody that's wired and in major fight or flight, that could be a six-month process. That doesn't mean you're not making progress. That just means to get through the training protocols and really set it in stone where it's not just going to come back later. Because my goal is not to be just the next practitioner that you see. It's to be the last one. I don't want to have you go to one of my friends like, Oh, yeah, so and so came to see me after they saw you. Not that they can tell me, but I don't want to hear that. I don't want to I got a lot of people coming from Dr. Jaben because he's not getting the job done. So the way we set everything up is I will highlight in your notes. So first of all, I do the note in front of you on the screen. Second, I highlight what I want you to actually do because there's a lot of info in there.

And then when we come back to it before I take the highlight away, I'm like, Did you get this goal accomplished? Are you still working through this? Just to make sure that we're moving on it. And if they're not accomplishing it, I'll be honest, it's all a list of priorities for me, and I don't want to overburden people with health. I want you to live your life while we're going through this. Too many people are doing health and not living life, and they're staying sick. What I end up doing is, it's just funny, I had this one woman that came to me, and she was a worship leader at her church. Nervous system worked to her. She's like, I've got God. I'm like, I love the Lord, too. I've got God, too. God provides you tools. This may be a tool that he brought you to me to use. Now, you can go pray about it. Well, it took me about four months to convince her. Then she started doing it, and she was like, Wow, I can't believe I lost four months with you not doing this. She gave us a testimonial. It was basically a testimonial with a brainwork and had nothing to do with everything else.

This is a woman that worked in a church, had a deep relationship of faith that still was stuck in fight or flight. She couldn't even tell her it water in her city because it was coming through the PECS line, which is a new way, the new plastic that they're using for water going to home. She was so sensitive to the PEC line off-gassing that she couldn't even drink the water in her house. When she started doing the brainwork, her body started working.

Wow. See, that's it, too. It's like, well, God leads you to people to help you. Some people take it like certain things literally and don't actually listen and understand and comprehend. I'll leave that alone. But just to throw that out there for that case, an instance. There's two things I want to backtrack to. One thing about water, and then I want to get into the dentistry thing. But I wanted to say this and hear what your thoughts are, because with what you do, it's almost like that you have to be such a Jack of all trades because you almost have to be like a psychiatrist or psychologist to some of these people that are suffering through the stresses and that have these problems. You have to not only be in the understanding of the health side, like the functional side, all of these things that we got into, the testing, the understanding, but you also have to be able to get people to listen, to stop the stressing, to get their minds in the right places. So you're really doing a little bit of everything.

It's simply just having a passion to learn and being open. I mean, a statement that I've learned is, I don't know. Yeah. Another statement, I'll figure it out.

Love it.

I once had a patient in my office, and she was probably the biggest referrer to me I ever had. This was a couple of years in practice. She came in and she was super dizzy, high functioning woman, all of a sudden super dizzy. After a cold, couldn't figure out why. I was checking on her, working on her. I could not understand why. I'm like, I don't know. I don't know what's doing this. I have no idea. Then she went off to a ear, nose, and throat, and they did a brain scan, and the virus had triggered some damage to her ear canal. It was just one of those weird, fluky things. She came back in and she's like, I trust you more than ever now. I'm like, I didn't even help you. She's like, No, but you told me you didn't know. So I know that I can send someone to you. And if you don't know, you're just flat out going to tell them you don't know. I've just learned in practice that when there's somebody that is desperate for healing, they can definitely get taken advantage of. Yeah, I know. There are times where people ask me a question.

I'm just like, Well, based on physiology, this is what I think. I can't tell you if that's perfectly right, because maybe I haven't seen this situation before, or, Here's what I do know. If we do this and this, these are the outcomes I've seen. But it's just a matter of being on the same level as educating and talking through it. You mentioned being a psychiatrist, psychologist. I'm like, I don't listen to people, but I often tell them I'm not a therapist. That's not my skillset. I probably wouldn't be any good at that anyway because I'm pretty analytical and logical. I'm always digging, and I tell people, I'm like, Hey, if you see me just looking up at the corner of my room when we're on a call. It is not because I'm looking at some other screen and watching a football game. It is because I'm processing everything you're saying to me, and there's a lot of physiology that goes into that, and I just really want to try and figure out how to put it all together. If I'm really quiet, then that means I'm thinking through things, and it's not a bad thing.

When you get to working with people, you also just have to lead and give confidence that you're confident without shutting someone down. There's an art to that. As I'm teaching doctors in my clinic, I'm like, You can talk to a patient and say, I don't know, but we're going to figure this out. Don't just say, I'm not really sure, and leave it hanging because that's going to leave people freaked out. You can also say to somebody, When you're looking at their labs, this is an unusual situation, but all these other pieces, if we work on them, it's going to affect this, and We're going to retest to make sure that that's taken care of. This isn't something that's a high risk, by the way. It's something that we can work through, and I just need to monitor it. It's just like learning to give that confidence to your patient that they know that you're working with them alongside of them, and you're on their team.

Two words, credibility, accountability. That's what that screams to me. I think if we can get more people to do that, to understand to live by those, to trust in those things, then things will go a lot better for people. They really will. Just life in general. I used to be the polar opposite when I was a real jerk, when I was starting out on YouTube. I wanted to act like I was perfect, like I knew everything, and I was faking a lot of it. I admit it to this day. This was 10, 15 years ago. I wanted everybody to believe everything I said, and I knew everything, even though I didn't know a fraction of what I thought I knew. Today, I will look you dead in the eye and say, You know what? I I think I might know, but I damn well know somebody that does know. We're going to go right to them. If I can't get them, I'm going to get somebody else, but I'm going to get you an answer. I want to ask you a question about the water. We're going to have to do a part two because I know I could talk to you for a century, but I already had a pretty damn good feeling we were going to do several of these because I want to focus on the dentistry thing next, but that's going to take them a long talk because there's a lot of back and forth there, and there's a lot of correlation that I know of, and I think that you know way more of.

I want to drop back water because you were talking about it here, and I want to get into something with you to get a little bit better understanding because a lot of people wouldn't have any clue. They just drink and whatever. We need water and just trust what you're drinking. You said about the water here in particular, did you say there was uranium? Uranium. Uranium, okay. You said distilling the water, correct? Would that be like a reverse osmosis? Or how do you distill the water? What is it that you do to prevent the uranium and whatever else could be in water.

Love this conversation. Right now, everybody that's listening needs to literally go get on their computer, pull up ewgwaterdatabase. Org. It's literally What is it in here? The EPA's database of water and what they found, what they do testing in your municipality. If you have a well, you can still get general concepts of what's in the soil by looking this up. When you When you do this, you just put your zip code into it. Right here. You look at what you're doing. What I do is for every single person that comes into the clinic, we look up what is in their water and what type of water filtration would they need. What I found is a lot of types of filters claim a lot of things. You can get a carbon ionic, you can have gravity through carbon, you can do reverse osmosis, you can do distill. These types of filters. You got the ghost look in your eyes because you see what the heck's in your water. You want to share?

Yeah. I mean, maybe. I don't want to share with my wife in the background. Arsenec chromium nitrate, bromiform, haloatic acids, uranium, some stuff that I don't really know how to say. Dibromo-chloromethane, bromodeclormothane. Another There's enough stuff that I'm not real thrilled with what I'm reading.

Yeah, and that's most people. Now, this area has quite a bit of the uranium issue just because I work with so many people from the area. Three times is what it says. What you end up finding is distillers, because what it is, it's an evaporation of water from one tank to another, and then it's filtered.

Okay.

Because of that, the melting point of whatever it is in your water has to be lower than water if it's going to go with it. If it's higher like metals, then it's going to stay. If you get a distiller, you will never, ever go back. They're super annoying to work with at times. They are a pain in the butt. But once you have gotten a distiller and you use it for a month, and then you have to go and clean it, you can't go back. You can't unsee it. When we first got it in the clinic, and my team will tell you, we didn't know how often you had to clean it. So we let it go like six weeks.

Right.

This is a four-gallon tank with a few people during COVID, so there wasn't that many people drinking out of it. And it had at least a centimeter thick gunk on the entire tank that smelled like sewage. That was a off yellow, nasty slime color that we had to chip off the tank and use chemicals to remove it because it was so hard it and sedimented into the tank. This was in Kansas City, where I'm from, where we only have uranium there. We have all sorts of other things, and the water everybody does. Then it goes through and it cleans. Now, if you live in a place that has uranium, radium, cesium, thalium. The only way that I have found to actually remove those things and not get into your body where I can go test it later through either urine or hair is to distill. If you don't have those things, reverse osmosis is my go-to because it's just simpler to use.

That's what I have. Do I ask? Because I know we had it, and so I was wondering if that was a good thing or not.

Yeah, and M-E-R-O is great if You don't have your rain gun.

You know what else I want to bring up while we're talking about this? I was reading you exceeded guidelines, but there are others detected within there, too. I understand that it says it doesn't exceed guidelines, but I don't want that shit in my body. I don't care if it exceeds their made-up guidelines or not.

Have you seen the studies on multiple accumulation toxicities?

No.

Here's the rabbit hole you get tonight.

Great. Thanks, dude.

Yeah. No sleep for you tonight. Multiple toxicities. What they did is they were like, Okay, well, whoever, the EPA says that glyphosate at this amount the human body can handle, and arsenic at that amount the human body can handle. You keep going down that list, bromides and uraniums and blah, blah, blah. At that level, it can handle. By the way, those levels that you're reading right there, do you know how they figured them out?

No, but I'm sure I don't.

Think of the worst possible way to figure out the amount of toxicity a human can intake. Fiscal budget.

Really?

We'll get off of that topic. Fiscal budget is the way that it was decided how much crap could be in your water.

The topic for another day.

Then anyway, when you look at multiple toxicity accumulation and how that works on the body, it's just like it's superchargers. When you have a little glyphosate and then you add your uranium or arsenic, they supercharge each other. Right, I get it. Into your body. It's like glyphosate breaks down the barrier in your stomach because it kills off some bacteria. Then that allows holes that allow metal in. Well, now you got 17 things in your water supply, plus the crap in your food supply, plus the stuff in your hygiene products. It's like, and this is where it comes back to that burden backpack that I was talking about earlier. It's you can have the ability to adapt to some of these issues. If you are living a good lifestyle because you made your home a sanctuary of non-toxic, and you wear good clothes and have good shampoos, and you don't have mold, when you go out and you have your choice X, you just put it in there, your fancy coffee that has a bunch of junk in it that we probably shouldn't have, or you go out and you have that drink, or you want a burger from the restaurant that you love because you just can't get away from it.

I'll give a story that's... I lose people here, but there's this place that was in Atlanta, and they had something called a Tacho. It was this platter of tater tots. It had salontro and chipotle mayo, something rather, and barbecue sauce and pica de gallo. I mean, that thing was just an orgasm in your mouth. That's what it was. It is not good for me. No. I don't go to Atlanta very often. Sounds like 1,200 calories or more. Oh, it's way more than that. It's way more than that. I mean, it's horrible. The day's worth. But I live my life with a distiller at my house and non-toxic products, and I work out. I get it. And I have a sauna in my own home gym with red lights in it. I'm like, if I'm going to do all of that, every now and then, I'm going to take a pleasure of a Tasho.

This whole conversation, dude, I swear, I talk to a lot of people. I I talk to some of who are considered the most brilliant best minds, and they're great. This means more to me personally, and I think it will when people listen to it because of the depth of the realness and the authenticity and the true actual care that I sense, which I did from when we were exchanging messages and talking. Totally different face-to-face, person-to-person. Because I can see it. It's different when I can hear it, but I see it. I know some people are only going to listen, some people are going to watch, but you have to be heard by more people, and I'm going to make sure that you are. I'm going to continue to help you. I feel like this is going to be a really long-lasting friendship and thing that we do a lot of good things, hopefully together. I hope so. I really mean that. I appreciate your time, your efforts, and I'm really grateful I got a chance to talk with you in an interview today.

Man, it's been a pleasure. It's been easy conversation with a lot that's came out, and this is just a passion. This is a lifetime of just learning, and we're continuing every single day.

Well, we're going to have several parts to this if you'll come back and do it with me or virtual. We got to do it, but we're going to do many more.

Of course, man.

Tell people how to follow you, and I'll link everything in the description.

Yeah. Just look up my name, Dr. Jaben, spelled J-A-B-E-M-B-I-E-M A-N-M-O-R. So Dr. Jaben Mohr on Instagram, YouTube, Facebook, website, all the places.

Sweet, man. Well, like I said, just a pleasure to get to do this. I'm super thankful for the time. Super thankful for what you do. So you're welcome back anytime on this show.

Thanks, man.

Awesome. All right, everybody. That wraps up another amazing episode. Stay tuned for plenty more to come. Dylan Jameli and Dr. Jaben Mohr signing on.