Transcript of The Big Suey: Cam Newton's Hat Travel Case (feat. Pablo Torre)

Welcome to the Big Suey, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Lebitard podcast. I'm sorry. I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now, here's the marching band to nowhere, Fatface and the Pitch You a Liar.

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Whose turn is it next before we bring on Pablo Tori to select from the bucket? Because we did a very poor job of getting Jeff Konine, of staying on track of me maintaining my point. I lost track of the show there several times.

You guys pointed out that I lost last week, so I want to let the audience know that I did already select a punishment because I know that that has been a complaint amongst many people, fans, Dan, a lot of people.

Metalark has now hired somebody to enforce that officially. I can't tell you. No, I'm bringing in somebody to back you up, Jeremy, in the event that you don't have enough backup. We have someone hired. I'll tell you about it soon.

Okay, well, in any event, I selected the Kawhi Leonard, and the punishment is I have to plant a tree. Now, I would say in the spirit of Kauai Leonard the punishment, I do not plant a tree because I will plant as many trees as Kauai Leonard has planted. I would say that that has been paid off already because I planted the same number of trees. That's not how this works. I knew that you guys would protest this, so I went out on my own and I planted a tree, and I would like to show you here the photo of me planting the tree. That is not you. That's not you. This punishment has been paid off. No, I don't believe that that's what happened. That is me.

That's lifeless.

Is that AI you?

Excuse me. That is me. That is my raincoat, which you guys have seen me wear I have it on me many times. That is my blue Mission's hat that you guys have seen me wear many times. Let's keep it moving, shall we? I planted a second tree as well.

Pablo is going to be here soon, and we need to do the bucket, please.

A one punishment credit because I planted two trees. I have the New Orleans Saints.

You don't want that. I don't want that. They're at home against the Niners. They're a three-point dog.

Mac Jones. That was a mistake. But Kyle Sanhant did want Mac Jones initially in that draft process. Remember? Nice little storyline, Dano. Oh, thank God. New England Patriots. Thank God.

Coming some army dolphins.

The dolphins aren't going to win. He did upgrade when it comes to the line. They're terrible. There's a Dentec.

I love Dentec.

Greg Cody has picked the Dolphins to win this week.

Shocking. All right, here we go. The Kansas City Chief Super Bowl remarch against the Philadelphia Eagles.

A point and a half underdog at home.

I'm going to take the Kansas City Chiefs as a home dog. I know Patrick Mahomes' history as an underdog in a lager to retire. I'm always going to take Patrick Mahomes as a dog, especially a home dog. Are you shitting me?

All right. Now, remember, I have a one punishment credit since they planted two trees.

Pablo's now there, and we're well behind.

I have selected the lions.

Well, they got the bears. You are bear down Billy.

I'm bear down Billy.

All right, look, this is what we're going to do. Pablo.

I'm going to take the bear, the lions.

Listen to me.

You want me to pick for Pablo?

Well, he's got to do it. Yes.

Okay, so just hang on, Pablo.

We're good. Yeah, we got to get this done. But we also... Pablo is very busy, and he's got to go from place to place, and we got a finite amount of time with him, and I don't want to waste it with this bucket.

You're wasting the time right now.

We got to all picked. Yeah. What is in your What's your name? Dentag.

Dentag. Dentag. Dentag, sir.

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What is in your mouth? You're so busy. You don't know your sponsors. What are you, Balmer? You're Silver? You don't know your sponsors? What?

I'm taking the bucks on the road in Houston. I love what Baker Mayfield's doing? They're a two and a half point underdog on the road. I'm taking them.

That might be a mega break.

All right, this is for Pablo. I'm reaching in, Pablo. You have the option to put this team back or keep it. It is the Broncos.

They are playing-They're at the Colts, and they are one and a half point favorite.

You can put it back and you're stuck with the next helmet, or you can keep the Broncos.

Why is Chris so good at talking with Dentec in his mouth? I'll put it back. Okay.

It's because it's so damn natural. That's why. You have the Titans. All right, we're bringing this in to Dan now. You downgraded. They're hosting the Rams.

The Titans are a five and a half point dog at home against the Rams.

I like them there, though, Papa.

Again, have not lost in a year.

We have no way to verify.

I lost, but I paid off already.

So the Arizona Cardinals, Tony- Carolina.

They got Carolina at home, seven and a half point.

You better keep that. I'll keep that. Thank you. Stop threatening me. Thank you.

Don't talk.

Pablo, I have a number of questions. I will get to them one at a time. First of all, I need an explanation, please, for why it is that you look so much larger than Samson in all of these videos that I am seeing of your podcast, where you are how tall, Pablo? What is your height?

Thank you for asking. I'm 5, 10, and three quarters inches tall.

Okay, I don't believe that. I believe- It's on my license.

I think he's surprisingly- No, Pablo is.

Yeah, I concurre that. Thanks, guys.

Again, put the picture up. Not since- Not surprising. Not since Billy Gill sat next to Derek Henry, have we had someone look so small next to someone so large? Although I think JJ Watt has... Is it Iron Eagle or is it Noah Egle that he was next to? Iron. Okay, so he was next to Daddy. So this is Iron Egle versus JJ Wat. If I gave you the three of these in terms of size disparities, which Pablo-This one wins. Pablo, which- The JJ Wat one looks like it's the hobbit technology from Lord of the Rings.

They're in the same perspective. That's the part that's blowing my mind about that one. The other ones, I'm like, Oh, it's just camera stuff. They are right on the same plane of existence.

When did broadcasters stop using the booster? Because I think Al Michael's, famously, was always the same size as John Maddon on that still shot, and that's just not possible. John Maddon felt like a mountain of a man.

Pablo, from your most recent reporting, I want to know just which of the details tickled you the most, okay? Was it that Wong has been his college roommate, Balmer's college roommate since 1975, or was it discovering that his daughter worked at Aspiration? From among those two facts in your reporting, which was the more delightful? And give me a more delightful one than that.

My favorite one is actually that his name is Dennis. There's another Dennis. There's a different Dennis. There's another Dennis who, by the way, Dan, for people who are like, This is just more circumstantial evidence, and there are those people out there as I wake up this morning, bleary-eyed on my couch, having fallen asleep with my contact lenses and fearing retina detachment, which is why I wear my glasses. I was frustrated. I just don't know if people appreciate what it takes for me, personally, to investigate an Asian-American Harvard graduate who works in the MBA. If I do this, that's how you know it's real, I feel like, is the credibility I've earned ethnically? And so all of it, all of it being that, all of it being a story with so many stupid on-the-nose aspects that feel incredibly predictable and for that reason, shocking.

Was Was Balmer roommate with Bill Gates before he was roommates with Wong?

You want to recreate the common room of that dorm in which it's Bill Gates, potentially. I have to do the fact check again, whether Gates was in the same room as them. But they were there. Yeah, this was Harvard, man. This was Harvard in the '70s. Think about it. Titans of industry, allegedly smoking weed for the first time and wondering to themselves, When will we ever own a basketball team that we will use, allegedly, to circumvent the NBA salary cap regulations.

Be honest here. When you heard Adam Silver speaking and going pretty immediately into, let's see if we can protect the owners here with the way that I speak about this, did Did you think to yourself, he doesn't know what I know right now?

Yes. Look, the standard for why I publish things, to be very clear, I'm not like the Joker. I'm not plotting this in a way that's going to get people to step into the trap I've laid. I'm not a super villain, but I am somebody who only will publish things if I have the fact-checking that meets the highest standards of publishing. Dan, the The crazy part about this, and for people who don't understand the power dynamic here, on the one side of this story is not merely the Commissioner of the NBA, but one of the 10 richest people in the world. On the other side of the story is me and you and our lawyer. So the whole question of when am I comfortable publishing something, it's not that I'm holding back everything I got. I'm actively trying to confirm this stuff so that in the event of litigation or factual correction, neither of which has ever It never happened with my show, which is shocking, it's because we did it the right way. The smile I have is that I had the smile of knowing that I think I could get this. I think this is a bad look for them because they're not taking the first report seriously, and I don't think they did, frankly.

Then you get to prove and hold them to account using whatever they want to communicate to the public.

I was telling them earlier that the whole mood shift of the board of governors thing since your latest report went from. No, we all love Balmer. He does great stuff. Everyone likes him. He's on the Finance Committee. This isn't Donald Sterling at all. This is a guy we all like, and he's good for the league, and he helps everyone, and he's affable, and he's at the governor's meeting saying, Yeah, guys, same thing I said on ESPN, nothing here. And then you report what you did. And what I was hearing two days before about that governor's meeting and how nice it was, that mood has shifted because the additional reporting makes it such that, Oh, no, he's ensnared here in a way that's going to I don't even know what they're going to try to do to try to explain their way out of this one.

I've heard many backchanneled attempts that indicate... By the way, we've seen since the first report came out, the best they got. So what they're not doing on the NBA Clipper side, if we assume their goal is to shrink the PR footprint of this, what they're not doing is holding back their most convincing stuff. We're getting all of it because bomber flies to Bristol. Thursday night, the day after. That's how panicked he is. Just observing this, again, not the Joker, just observing this factually. What happens next is that we get the best spin, and you've seen it. It's incredibly just paper tissue-y in its flimsiness. If that, tissue might be generous for what they're trying to spend. And so the question now of like, Okay, what do you do with this one? The only thing I've heard back channeled, which makes me laugh very hard, is that Dennis Wong, who was an incredibly wealthy real estate magnate, he wanted to save his daughter's job. Fintra, by putting in $2 million into a company that was evaluated, by the way, still at the time of his investment. I don't know if I made this clear enough in the episode.

He was investing in a company that had gone into default, that had its independent auditor resigned, that was facing massive seven-figure litigation, that was facing probes by the SEC and FINTRA, the regulatory agencies. He puts in the $1. 99 million, conspicuous on its own, and he does it at a valuation of over $2 billion. The question is, Why would he do this? He was disclosed all of these facts in the paperwork. We have the signature, we have the document. So why did he still do it? And so the only head of a pin that anybody wants to spin this has left to dance upon, there must have been another reason why he made a disastrous financial decision like that. It must have been to save his daughter's job. And I will just assure you that not only is that insanely nonsensical, because the daughter recently graduated from Stanford, because the company was broken and falling apart, because Dennis Wang is extremely extraordinarily rich, it doesn't need to save his daughter's job at a broken company that is going into the trash can. It's also the fact, to me, that if you were to do that, that's a different potential crime.

If you're just going to bribe a company to save your daughter with $1. 99 million, if in fact, that is the argument that anybody wants to go with. So I just don't get it. At this point in the story, I just don't get what people are trying to do here, but it seems to indicate that they just don't want to see the story for what it is.

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Don Levatard. Pablo leads all of podcasting in reading while smiling. If you listen to ESPN Daily, he sounds like he's having the time of his life. Stugatz. Coming Coming up next, I'm going to tell you the Savannah bananas are changing faces. How do you know I'm smiling?

That's how I find my vocal range.

Sometimes I just say, Savannah bananas. Savannah bananas.

This is the Dan Leventhal Show with the Stugats.

I like how the Internet takes your reporting and starts running with it and does its own version of Twitter, Slu Yesterday, we saw highly circumstantial evidence of how Kawhi was very inactive for the Clippers prior to December 10th, and then all of a sudden, he played 82% of the games. Billy posited that, Well, why would he care about a $1. 75 million payment when he's getting paid $40 million from the Clippers? My counter to that was, No, this is booky logic. It's the principle. Because if they miss this payment, they're going to miss all the other payments. I know this is purely circumstantial and not maybe to the standard of your reporting, but what do you make of the theory out there that Kauai's camp was very upset about this and it forced Wong to make this deposit, and then all of a sudden, Kawhi started playing again?

So one big part of that is comprehensively reported, and vetted, and fact-checked, and has not been challenged, which is that September gets paid in quarterly payments, $1. 75 million. September comes, this is the second payment ever. Kauai Leonard, second payment ever. September October comes, September goes. October comes, October goes. November comes, and November goes. So this is three months late is this second ever payment, right? And so the question then is, come the rescheduling of this payment to December 15th, how do they get the money? That's the answer of the roommate, Dennis Wong, and the only other, by the way, owner of the team, the only man Steve Ballmer trusts with a share of his most precious possession, Los Angeles Clippers. That's That's the, Okay, how do they pay it? But the question then is, what's it like for Kawhi Leonard and Uncle Dennis Robertson and the agent, Mitch Frankl, the representatives of Kawhi Leonard? Because what happens is, what I know It means that there are many calls that are increasingly furious because you're three bleeping months late on the second payment. And by the way, Balmer put in $50 million personally a year ago.

And so from a position of something is not right here, what I think is safe to infer from all of this is that the people involved with the Los Angeles Clippers were aware that there was a problem. And so then the next question is, if you're Kawhi Leonard and you're a master of leverage to a degree that has been, frankly, in excess and more effective in that excess than any other athlete I can think of where he's extracting all these things from From the marketplace of Steve Ballmer and not the Raptors or the Lakers, it turns out, but from the richest man in sports, how do you then make sure that they know you're serious? The sleuth thing and the connecting of the dots, I'm not doing I haven't done that. I haven't done that data dive. Again, this is where I say, You guys, please feel free to look into this. Do your research. Do your Googles. I'm not saying this, but I think it's safe to wonder if you're... Let's put it this way. If I was a Clipper's executive If I was aware of this, if, these are just the conditionals. If I was aware of this, and I had a guy who was right off missing the last season for knee problems, I would say at the beginning of the season, Finally, he's back.

Let's be careful. But what would be very hard if that same guy was complaining to these entities about how he wasn't getting the payment he was legally entitled to, the question then becomes the question of load management. How voluntary story is the pain that you're expressing to your team as to why you won't play that night? That would be an outstanding question for someone to look into.

I will tell you, if you're watching some of what's happening here, the people who are aggregating Pablo because they're seven months behind on this story are having trouble with the headlines and the first paragraphs because it's such a thicket of stuff. When you say reporting something for seven months and when people do not know what it means to a lawyer listen to Amina Elhassan's answers on things because you have to be very careful. When you go on David Samson's pod and you say, I would love to talk about what we reported on Wednesday with anybody in any setting under any amount of spotlight that you've got, explain to me how hard the last seven months have been. Explain to me why it is that the NBA underestimated you because the sports media has fallen apart and no one's asking these questions because everybody's in bed with their partners.

When I had Mark Cuban on the pod, who was the embodiment of my philosophy here, I had not ever talked to him before. Maybe we had e-mailed years ago because he answers all the e-mails in his inbox, but I'd never had a relationship before at all. He tweets about this as if he has a confidence about what this story is and why it's dismissible. I respond to him, Within an hour, we're taping the thing that aired as the Friday episode a week ago today. That's just my philosophy is that I've been ready to talk about this. What I am not worried about once I publish is my familiarity with the reporting. Why I reported it. The thing that people miss that I think the NBA is only realizing is that two things can be true. On the one hand, it can be absolutely true that Steve Ballmer was a victim and that he feels victimized. Listen to him on Ramona Shalbern in that interview on the set of ESPN in Bristol. He is pained. What do you mean? You don't think he's in Bristol?

Well, it was a point of contention the past couple of weeks with some people on the show where people were saying it was probably in LA because that's where Ramona is. No, but this is the point. Then people were saying, Well, he had to fly across the country. And then there's investigating done where Ramona said it was in Bristol, but it was in Bristol because we were right there. So then I was like, Well, hold on. If they didn't fly across the country, then how do we know any of what we're being told is true? It was crazy. I said, Dude, Pablo's got this on lock. Everybody, lock in here. Jeff Conine, pay attention. Stop questioning things.

It was in Bristol. Why he was there.

Don't do this anymore. Billy, you ruined his last answer.

But you did take that victory lap.

You took the victory lap on the episode. We made him fly across the country.

Whoever said this made the point, Well, if the flying across country part isn't true, then it might undo the entire entirety of the night.

He's got to get out of here.

Listen, Pablo- Okay, so I regret falling into the the pothole that was- They got you.

Wasn't the only one that you fell in.

Walmart's off. How tired of this story is your wife?

She is so mad at me. Allow me to continue the thought.

Does your wife ever tell you, why didn't you just extort them?

You've got a hard out. Pablo, you've got a hard out. I have a hard out. The market rate for me suppressing this is probably higher than my all-in career earnings, so horrible decision by me to just allegedly maybe offer this and say, Hey, please make this go away for a low, low price of $1 zillion. The last thought I have is just it was stupid what Steve Ballmer did on one level, and he was pained as a victim, truly, genuinely. But the story here is that he was victimized by a company that he partnered with to try and deceive the NBA. That's why this story is so fun to me and so ridiculous. It's that he was using in a non-illegal way a company that was completely comfortable Bowl, according to all of my reporting, with doing whatever he needed to get around the salary cap. And in that way, he was not breaking the law, he was breaking the NBA's rules. And this is the guy who ran Microsoft during the largest antitrust investigation, in my memory, at least. And so, of course, he doesn't necessarily care about that if you were to infer that based on his previous fact patterns of behavior.

And so the question for him is, where did it go wrong? It went wrong when he realized, which was sooner than anybody wants to admit, that this was going bad. And at that point, the question is, what did you do? When did you know it? And all of that is absolutely relevant to a larger examination of what this story ends up being in the end. Yes, it has captured convention, per my reporting. Yes, there are questions that there is more at stake here than that when it comes to, so you were partners with the scammers. To some extent, what does that mean for the questions you might have asked if you weren't? That is an interesting question for the federal government.

He would have gotten away with it.

If it wasn't for me.

Yeah, that I thought was brutal. That would be my constructive criticism to Pablo. I know he's doing the victory lap, but when he said- I didn't say that.

You just played that. You just said it.

You definitely said it.

We have more context. We have more context. I don't think that is accurate.

Play the context.

Listen.

That he would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for me. That he would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for me. There's larger context, I feel like.

Yeah, that it It was so good, that it was so well thought out that he would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for me.

Impeccably produced.

Why does the replay machine have the thing in its mouth, too? Why is that happening? Why is that one bumping?

Pablo, you've got to go. Anyone want to take a guess on why he has to go? He's going to play Spades with Mori Povitch on nick Cannon's podcast.

That is confidential information.

See you later, Pablo. Good talking to you. Nice seeing you.

That's Listen to that? You're in a set.

Please tell my wife that I love her.

Pablo can't be good.

I assumed it was some form of starbleeding.

He didn't even answer the question of what was the hardest thing about the last seven months. He is on a world tour, rocketing to Fame and stardom because-What's the hardest part of the life?

Be texting him to do a NASCAR charter episode.

People do somehow still appreciate good journalism or notice it when they see it. And he's got the story locked down and the NBA underestimated him and underestimated sports media because sports media has gotten awfully fat in this space for a long time. And before that sounds too blowhardy on behalf of Pablo, I just know how hard that was to do. And it's why no one does it, because it's that hard. Because if you're going to go after Balmer and do this to Balmer and you don't have your shit right, the lawsuit is already on the way. You have to be super careful, super careful not to get a word wrong. And that's not the media landscape we're living in anymore. And so everything he's done there is scary, and his confidence to me is aspirational because he knows he's got the story locked. He made the commission of the League, who we were talking about when he got rid of the last Clipper guy, how he was in charge and the best, and look at all he knows. He made that guy look like he didn't know what he was doing when he got out there on behalf of, Well, let's see what's really happening here.

Let's have some benefit of the doubt, because his job ultimately is to protect Balmer. But he's got in his power structure somebody with so much power and utility because he's good as his jobs with finance and the things that he's doing on behalf of the business. Silver is Balmer's employee. That's how that one works. I know we give Silver a lot of power. The owners of the He's the wall between the owners and us. It's a wall that doesn't come down often. It's a wall that Pablo Tori just kicked in. Don Levatard. While there's nothing official and conversations are still ongoing. Was that a fake Schefter? Because it was excellent.

It was pretty good. It was excellent. I feel like there's legs.

I tried at the beginning, and then I lost confidence in it. Why? It was good.

You got this.

There's nothing official. It's so good. Conversations are still ongoing. Stugatz. It is trending leaning towards nick Siriani, remaining the head coach of the Eagles.

This is the Dan Levatard show with the Stugatz. When you said his confidence is aspirational, did you mean that as a compliment or that it's fraudulent?

No, I meant that I wish-That's the name of the fraudulent Company.

Did you do that on purpose?

You didn't do it on purpose.

I did not do it on purpose.

It would have been good.

It would have been good.

It would have been good.

Can I ask you a serious question? When Cam Newton flies, do you think he wears his hat or he has a massive hat travel box?

I think it's a travel box.

Really? Yeah. Do you think you catch him in the airport just not wearing a hat?

I would assume he's checking a bag that's got five of those things in there.

Let's ask him. That's such a good question. Well, let's ask Jeff Conine.

That's a great question. Put it on the poll at Levitard Show. Does Cam Newton travel wearing his hat, or does he lock it away in a travel seat?

That's the worst type of hat to wear in a plane.

But he's taller than all the seats, so that's not going to be an issue.

Then you lean your head back and the thing is- No, but his head is way taller.

Cam Newton is enormous. That's true. He would be above the seat. He's the biggest human I think I've ever seen. I could not believe he was a quarterback.

He's huge. Don't you think he flies private? He probably just puts a hat on his chair.

I don't think he fits in a private jet, if I'm going to be honest with you. Private jets seem very tiny to me, and I can't imagine that being a comfortable means of transportation for him. Maybe he buys his hat a seat.

Put it on the poll. Do private jets feel very tiny to you? I also want to bring up what he's saying about Cam Newton's size. Yes, he is very large, probably has a firm handshake. The hats, though, have to be very valuable hats, right?

Yeah, I actually have some on this. My brother-in-law met the person that designs the hat. They're out of Montana, and those hats go for $800.

It's a good question that Billy's asking, and I don't know the answer to it. I don't know if I even have a theory, but when he talks about Cam Newton being large, one of the funniest things to have happened to me around feeling good for a moment and then not feeling good moments later. I had really good seats one time. Time, really good seats to a heavyweight fight involving George Foreman, one of his last ones, and he became the oldest heavyweight champion ever.

The Michael Mora fight?

Yeah. I knew I had good seats, and I sat in the seats, and I was really excited about the seats, and then Shaq sat in front of me. It's a full place. Like, those are bad seats.

You yelled down in front or anything like that.

Those become immediately bad seats. You realize that, right? I couldn't see.

Back to Cam Newton for a second. I've called him the greatest goal-line weapon in the history of the game. It's pretty irrefutable. Billy's not a small dude. Check out this photo. Stugatz is in frame also for reference. Now, the hat may add stuff, but the top of Billy's head is right at Cam Newton's chin.

He's like a brick house, too. He's solid.

Look at those shoulders. I will say that handshake with Stugatz doesn't look great, but I think that might be on Stugats.

It was just an awkward situation.

Hey, buddy, we should host a podcast together. I can just see him there.

The things you guys are doing here, though, I understand that Cam Newton looks huge there, but I thought we had already established when he was sitting next to Derek Henry that Billy Gill, even though people don't know this, is actually Brad Williams, the size of Brad Williams.

That's a second reference to Brad today. What's going on here?

I'm just saying we've proven already that you're not... Size-wise, when you say he's the biggest human you've ever seen, he would be 6'6, 250 pounds, so smaller than most power forwards, right? So if he were standing next to Draymon Green, an undersized defender, Cam Newton would look how next to Draymon Green? You think he would look bigger than Draymon Green?

I think there's more than just height when it comes to judging how big a dude is.

That's why I said Shaq.

Cam's got girth. Yeah, Cam's just got such broad shoulders. That guy playing quarterback is just wild. Yeah. Unstomable.

You understand the question that I'm asking? Yeah.

Is Jaymod taller than Kam? Not taller.

No, not taller. More formidable. No, more formidable.

I don't think more formidable.

I am asking. I'm making the distinction. I believe I know what Billy's talking about here. I feel it when I stand next to Kim He's a dog camper. His girth. That's an old man. No, but I'm not- Good handshake.

Great handshake. Oh, that might be the best.

I'd not doubt. Narled. I would not want to match up.

But Naurled can help it. No, it- Narled can help it.

Oh, so he doesn't have the flexibility to to actually squeeze?

The gnarled hands of football players.

He gives you a full hand hug.

If he's got a pincy injury or a thumb.

Like Baldinger hands?

No, come on.

I mean, not Baldinger hands. That's a different class.

Worked out once. Next to Brian Baldinger.

Tell me everything.

Flip flops. Oh.

Not surprising.

Put it on the poll. Did you assume that Baldinger worked out in flip flops at Levitard show? Lifted weights in flip flops because he's not working out. It is working out, but he's not doing cardio.

The boys in that gym were not doing cardio. We were stacking plates, pal.

Put it on the poll at Lebitard Show. Weightlifter who says we were stacking plates, pal. Douche or no douche?

I mean, he called you a weightlifter. I wouldn't take that as an insult.

No, he's lifting weights at the time.

He referred to you as Mike Ryan, weightlifter.

That's what he was doing at the time.

Six stacks of 45s. That's what I ate for breakfast that day. Wow. You know who else stacks plates for breakfast?

Who, Mike? Tell me.

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I don't know how much of the audience knows the facts of the information I'm about to give. Jeremy, I'm going to assume that you don't know any of the facts that I have here that represent an ancient time in history. Sometime, I'm going to say close to either when you were born, I'm going to say that Monday night football in the early '90s, Monday night football, the property that it is today. In the ratings, it was behind The Naked Truth, Suddenly Susan, and Carolina in the City. Carlyne. Carlyne. Excuse me, I didn't know that show.

Oh, Carlyne Ray? Have you ever seen Hollywood She was an icon.

My fault.

Sabrina the Teenage Week.

Okay, now I know who you're talking about.

Monday Night Football was a small thing, and at the time, roughly around the time as they were trying to grow the sport over the next 10 or 15 years and grow Monday Night Football and what Thursday Night Football would become. Because I do want to talk about the presentation of football that is making them dominate so many nights of the week.

Caroline Ray was not in Caroline in the city.

Oh, I thought the Caroline you were talking about.

No, Roy knows exactly who was in that.

And we're not talking about sex.

Roy knows after we said in this room that she was not on that show. Roy was going along with everybody else. Yeah, but then you said Sabrina was in that show. Yeah, but I didn't know she wasn't in the other show until we pointed it out.

I thought it was the mom from Back to the Future. I thought it was the mom from Back to the Future.

All of a sudden, Oh, I know everything.

Was it the mom from Back to the Future that was in that show? Yes, Leah Thompson. I felt that. No, I wanted to be a teammate to you, pal.

Yeah, okay. Guys acting like you know who Andy Lauer is, please.

I don't know who that Jonathan Wolf.

Don't know who that is. The music composer.

Okay. Look, man, you're getting a little defensive. We try to back you up.

Well, because I go, I plant two trees. You guys tell me that you don't count me in planting trees. You didn't plant two trees. You didn't plant shit. I have two different photos of me planting trees.

Why do you always try to weasel your way out of these things?

There are two photos of me planting trees. What trees?

We need to... I hope it's Jeff Cohn.

There's the other one. That couldn't be... That's a palm tree. That's not you. Tom Crean.

That is Tom Crean. That is Tom Crean.

I don't want to tell you. I wear that exact same I have an outfit at F1. I recycled it. I said, You know what? It's raining. Let me put on my... You guys have seen that raincoat and that hat here.

That's true.

I've also seen that face, Coaching the Indiana Hoosiers.

The first one looked like you. It was raining, blurry.

The It was a point I was going to make.

So punishment serves. We can agree and move on.

This one looks like you.

I've hired an enforcer. I'll let you know shortly. I'll make an announcement shortly. The paperwork is being drawn up on making sure that these penalties do get enforced this year.

Well, I'm all caught up, so I have nothing worry about.

Before Monday night football, Thursday night football became what they became, they were trying to... They were groundbreaking in making it three broadcasters. And at very his point, before they hired Tony Cornheiser and Dennis Miller, they were thinking about putting Rush Limbaugh in the booth to do that and create whatever it is that that would end up creating. The reason that I bring all of that up is because these things have so seismic that I believe that we underestimate how hard it is for Amazon to do what they're now doing on Thursday nights, the sprawling nature of it, the fact that you don't have any complaints at all about what their broadcasts are. I saw Jordan Love interviewed before the game yesterday, and I was like, Well, and maybe this is something they've been doing it recently, but I'm like, I don't remember the quarterback being interviewed before the game. He didn't have anything to say, but it's not something I've seen very much before, and I assume it's because these partnerships are interactive. Have you guys seen that before? I've seen it during XFL games, the quarterback interviewed right before the game. Is that something you've seen before?

Has Amazon been doing that for a while? Because it's the first time I've seen it.

I guess I haven't noticed that. I don't know, to answer your question. I wouldn't have thought twice about it, but I do think Amazon does a tremendous job with their football coverage. So if it wasn't for what he said about Donovan McNab, Rush Limbaugh would have basically been Dennis Miller.

I actually think that this was thought of before even Rush Limbaugh was then later someone who went on ESPN. They were considering him earlier than that because they were trying to make television around sports. None of those people have ended up working because the thing is such a cathedral that you can't be not serious in the football booth. That's not allowed anywhere. Who are You have funny broadcasters in the middle of your football games.

Well, you said not allowed anywhere. Joe Rogan broke the model.

Billy Gill, F-I-U.

That's true. The Duke.

I meant football, specifically. The Duke.

Football and baseball. Multisport broadcast. Jason Manetti. Paws up. Jula Ball.

He's doing play-to-play. Check it out. He's literally doing what you're talking about.

He wants another answer.

He just always wants to be right, this guy.

It's the NFL I'm talking about. Well, just give him time.

Give me time. Yeah, jeez.

He's starting like all the greats do.

I got free time now.

You got a chance to be Dennis Miller, Billy. It's right there for you.

I mean, if I don't get that, I'm a failure. It's just a bit ambitious.

I would say Iron Eagle brings a lot of humor. I know he's the play-by-play guy, but I'm telling you, he makes a lot of jokes.

No, agree. He does.

I don't like that.

I would say of all the play-by-play guys, he's the one that will... If there's a funny fan, he makes a joke about it.

No, Kevin Harland for me, pal. Yeah.

Kevin Harland. Iron Eagle is funny.

Iron Eagle is funny. Don't get me wrong, but he is a prototype of a play-by-play man.

Romo's funny. Not on purpose, but he's funny.

I don't know, Jim.

You guys better get me co-9.