Transcript of Hour 2: Not The Sharpest Knife In the Drawer (feat. Casanova Frankenstein)

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It is not lost on me. It's legitimately moving and symbolic that we are right next door to the Freedom Tower. The Freedom Tower is reopening. Tony is going to go over there with my father. My father hasn't been to the Freedom Tower since he first got to this country and was processed through the Freedom Tower next door. I wanted to ask you guys because I do think that as a show in the present English language media, and maybe ever in the English language media, we are the most Hispanic show that there has been in sports. At ESPN, right before Skipper was gone, I had submitted to him a plan on some things that ESPN could do to be better with that demographic because it's an underrepresented demographic in the sports media and For all the complaints that you hear about people fighting about what equality is or isn't, Hispanics generally are wildly and hugely grateful to be in this country because of how awful some other countries without freedom can be, and are pretty quiet about complaining about inequality in this country. But I just wanted to ask you guys, when it comes to Fox and ESPN, as I see so few Hispanic men and women on television when the demo is a huge one and it's the magical unicorn that everybody wants to capture the Hispanic demographic, who are the people that you're looking at in sports media?

Because I don't think people are even noticing this because Hispanics don't tend to be very loud about this stuff because our gratitude is profound. Give me the people that you see in sports on television talking into microphones that you're like, Yeah, that's a Hispanic person. That's a Hispanic viewpoint, because I'm seeing fewer than I usually have seen. When we were at ESPN and it was Izzy and it was Tony Collins and it was Sedano, now it's just Sedano. Now you see what on ESPN? What's on Fox that's Hispanic?

Anybody? Is there anybody on Fox?

I can't answer that. There are certain talents. I'm a big fan of Hercules Gomez, former USmen's National Team player. That he's Hispanic, and he does really good English language stuff, but it's siloed. It is aimed towards a Latin audience, even though his knowledge goes well beyond the game. But there aren't many known, and now that you mention it, fewer. I can't really think of a box personality, but I'm thinking on my feet here.

I don't watch it, but I would imagine if we've watched the Pauertes, it's going to be all Hispanic.

I know, but it's segregated. It's a good guess. It is a good guess. A good answer. He's an ally. He's an ally. He's thinking on his feet. He has stopped stabbing people, and he has stopped throwing knives long enough to have- You handled that well.

Uno de nosotros.

Uno de nosotros.

I'm sure Steven A. Smith, though, has an hour on Fox or whatever. He has been this.

Steven A. Smith, I saw, is now being paid just as much by SiriusXM as he's being paid by ESPN as he continues his world-conquering domination. He was making, and I I understand why Molly left First Take when she is making 40 times less than Stephen A. Smith, and yet I can make the argument that Stephen A. Smith is worth 40 times more than a moderator that you can swap in and out and keep First Take feeling largely as it was. But to see Stephen A. Smith have the freedom to not only make more for first take than he's ever made and be their highest paid employee. He is their highest paid employee.

He's like the highest paid person in sports annually. It's got to be. Remember that stat that you always used to say about Jim Rome? There are very few people in sports that are actually playing the game that say they outearn annually what Steven A. Makes.

Jim Rome, what I used to say about him because of the deal he made with Syndicated Radio, he had a higher annual salary than anyone playing sports. And now Tom braided makes more for broadcasting sports than he ever made for playing sports, which is an obvious absurdity. You guys don't think, though, that it's surprising? Never mind that it's surprising that I don't see. The Latin demo is a pretty huge demo, obviously.

Fox's baseball coverage on Network Fox, as David Ortiz and Alex Rodriguez.

There's also Jessica Mendoza.

Mark Sanchez.

Pedro Martínez as well.

Then you got ESPN De Portes, too.

Uno de nosotros. That's true.

Zaz, you are just crushing it as That's an ally here, and you do have De Portes. Can you say it with a little more spice, though? Because you're saying it extra gringo. You're saying De Portes.

Espn De Portes.

Así.

De Portes is one of those words that I fall in line with the gringofication of it. Like queso. I don't like to say queso. I like to say queso.

Los Angeles. We're all people who say... Nobody says Los Angeles. I get mad when I go to Los Angeles and I hear Los Féliz.

Oh, dude, I love people talking about street signs in Los Angeles. La Brea.

I have said before that my father on ESPN was one of the last sitcom dads that there was, that this sitcom dad is not necessarily- Elsa Gündal. Extinct, but is close to endangered. Do you guys agree with that assessment before we get to Mike Ryan's top five five list of top five TV dads?

You got me thinking, not just our show, but Highly Questionable was responsible for one of the great TV dads of our time, Gonso. If I were putting together a list in terms of a modern era, he'd be in the discussion, no?

I like to think so, but probably not. No, it wasn't a- That's a good pick of you, Dan, on the screen. It wasn't a show- Is it? That picture makes me remember the commercial that we made, the one commercial I've ever made. I'm curious, do you think that the Barstool audience turns on Barstool at all when they see Barstool making commercials for things? Because their thing, which has been a small thing that's theirs, is now something that's more mainstream. Because I was thinking when I made that commercial, I remember how mad people were that we went to ESPN. They were afraid that we were going to change what we were doing because we were at ESPN. But I didn't realize when making the only commercial I've ever made for anything, our television show, I was standing on a third floor, and beneath me was Jim Rome on a second floor.

You were hosing them down, right?

I don't remember what I was doing, but I had a hose, and everyone thought that what I was doing was phallic.

It looked like you were peeing on them. You had a bungey cord because you were on the third tier and you had to find your way down. But then you were just doing that awkward stance that you did, which a lot of people do at the urinal. So it looked like you were urinating on Jim Rome.

It is what people thought I was doing. But I I don't think Boppy rises to the height of sitcom dads. But you have a top five list that has Oli?

I have notes. I think Gonza was the Oli. I have a top five list of television dads of the last 10 years. Because we're not doing this anymore, Dan.

But you're in agreement with me? I thought you were going to disagree with me about the fact that it's almost extinct.

Well, maybe this list will change your mind and remind you that, yeah, there are some still good TV dads out there. It can only do good. Number 5, Johnny Rose from Shits Creek.

Great one.

This one came from Jeremy, honestly. It wasn't for me, that show. It's top tier.

I thought this was your list. Is it your list?

I needed a I'm going to make a suggestion because I didn't want to underserve a part of the community just because I was ignorant to it, because I didn't like Shits Creek. A lot of people do, and a lot of people spouse the virtues of how good of a dad Eugene Levy was on that show.

Put it on the poll at Lebitard's show. More famous eyebrows, Eugene Levy or Anthony Davis?

Number four, Lee Corso. Great TV, dad.

I don't think that counts. I don't think you've got this. I don't think you're playing the game correctly.

You don't think Lee Corso was a dad like a dad to many?

A grandpa, a grandpa, maybe. Abuelo.

He could be an older dad. There are plenty of people that are north of 40 and 50 that have a dad that look like that. I'm sure there's a part of our audience that's like, Yeah, Lee Corso. That reminds me of either my Peepaw or my dad. Granddads or dad, too.

That's Abuelo. That's not the same category. Sitcom dad, I think of Phil from Modern Family.

You keep making... Number three, you jerk. Frank Reynolds from It's Always Sunny, Philadelphia. Sinister dad.

Yes.

A good sinister dad.

But good dad. But sinister.

You can't be a good dad and sinister. No, you can't.

As you can, Frank Reynolds shows. And undeniably, close relationship with his children. It's just trying to decipher who exactly are his biologicals. Number two, Phil Dunphy, Modern Family.

This is number one for me. Number one, I mean, this one's easy.

Bandit from Bluey. The Greatest Dad in television history, period. Not just the modern era. If you've got kids, you know that Bandit is dad goals.

So damn funny.

It's a disappointing list. Just being honest.

Your kids are teenagers. You're out of the game.

Yeah, I don't know that fool.

What's been your obsession with Bluey lately?

Bluey is a great show. It's one of those things. There's so much out there for children to consume on television, and it's pretty much all bad. I have a six-year-old, totally hijacked my television, still running shop. I've watched them all, Dan. There is one show that's like, I like that show. It's a good show. This is actually... It shows you a really healthy family dynamic. It's got great role models, even though they're animated creatures, and it's Bluey. That is wholesome content. It is good stuff. And they just announced a Bluey movie that is coming out in August. And I'm telling you, for an animated feature film that is not originally Disney or Pixar, this will shatter records. There is going to be Bluey Mania next summer. It's going to be the summer of Bluey, provided that we as a species, make it that far.

Miss me with that.

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This is the Dan Levatard show with the Stugats.

Billy, are you like me that when you hear just the phrase, the numbers, 102. 7, and I really don't think that future generations... Yeah, that you hear 102. 7, and it feels like magic. It is something that conjures. Now, we have a relationship with radio that maybe not everybody has because we've made our livelihoods in radio. But when I hear 102. 7, when I just hear those numbers- Magic 102. 7. That's all dead, right? That's No way. Well, literally, yes.

Magic 102. 7 is literally dead.

Those people singing are dead?

Well, maybe. But I just mean the idea of all of that, call letters, happy radio songs, tuning in to someplace and allowing them to choose your music for you?

No, no, Dan. See, this is where you're wrong. You've been stuck on satellite radio too much in '90s on 9 or whatever it is that you listen to. 102. 7, Rest in Peace, Magic. They used to play these songs from the '50s and '60s when I was growing up as a kid. I'll be like, Why are we listening I think it's '60s and '70s.

Whatever.

Who was the guy that used to walk around in the socks in the office that I think he used to run?

Rick Shaw? Was he on Magic 102.

7? He ran 102. 7. He'd walk around the office in just socks, and then if you stayed late enough editing the podcast, he'd be in a Boy Scout uniform giving tours. That's right. Do you remember? I don't like that. Zaz, you don't remember that guy? You did the show after ours for a long time, and there used to be a guy that he was, I guess, a Cub Scout leader, and he would give tours of different Cub Scout troops during the show, and he'd walk by and they'd look in the studio.

I vaguely remember this.

During the day, he never wore shoes. He was always in his socks. I don't like that.

He would brush his teeth in the bathroom.

Yeah, who was that guy?

Who was that guy? The distinction between what radio, what you imagined it was based on listening to it, and then what it actually was when you got there and lived inside of it. There is no greater gulf in the history of American entertainment.

You didn't think it was glamorous?

The The imagination would make whatever it is that you felt about 102. 7, make it seem vastly more glamorous than it actually was.

We are blessed. I'm so grateful. I loved radio. Audio is still my favorite medium, but I got to be there when radio was still a thing. I realized 20 years from now, the younger generation is going to be looking at me and I'm going to be talking to them about this job that I had, and it's going to be like I was a milkman.

All the walls just had brown carpet them. I had never seen carpet on walls before.

Acoustically treated.

Was it acoustically treated or was it before we knew how to acoustically treat things, so we used carpet?

But brown. It was all brown for some reason. I didn't understand it.

It was a big color back then. Was it shag? Was it a shag carpet?

It was like office rug, but from the rug to the wall.

Dave Kory had the zebra. Remember that? He was a character. So again, Dan, rest in peace, Magic 102. 7.

But What they did is they revitalized it 102. 7, The Beach. I don't like that. The Beach, fun music. '80s. A little bit of '90s, but mostly '80s music.

Oh, that's great. I was a big fan of The Beach. Oh, so it's derivative of the Coast, 97. 3. '97. 3, correct. Which had an early- '90s today. Which had Nourly Charlie on the weekends, and it was all '80s weekend from Nourly Charlie. You know what else is? A throwback station out. Never really changed its branding. Power 96. It's like, you grew up listening to Power '96. Guess what? We stayed the same. We're back to just '90s hip hop and turn of the century hip hop.

But do they have Big Boody Bass music?

Do they have the Power Hour? Yeah. Power Hour is a big deal.

Big Booty Bass, Dan, was that thing.

Power 96, when you mention it, this is what I remember, okay? I'm in grandma's car because I don't have my own car, but I'm driving it, and I placed dice on the rear view mirror. And Power 96-What color? Like a boss. They were white, fuzzy dice.

Fussy? Fussy dice on a rear view mirror. I'm like, this guy. That was me. He means business.

That was me.

I'm pathetic as I say it, but here's even more pathetic for you. You say, Milkman, how's this for antiquated? At the time that I was listening to Power 96, all they would play all day is the top 10 songs in America. There was no 11th song. It was only all day. It was the top 10 song.

Yeah, love it.

That's great. Man, fuzzy dice on a rear view mirror. That guy fucks more than Jason Banetti.

Rob Sydney. All new, 102.

7, The Beast. Rob Sydney was the guy with socks. Yes, he would come wearing the Boy Scout.

Yes, yes, yes.

Look at how happy it makes Billy. What the hell did he Google to get that name? Billy just googled obscure. Com, which is where he lives. He loves making the reference that four people get.

He seems so happy, man.

He lives He lives for it. Why was he walking around in his socks? Those floors were not clean. I remember this guy.

There was a PD in that building. I won't name him, but in retrospect, was definitely hitting on me. It was like after me, too. I'm like, Yeah. Oh, man.

The all new 102. 7 The Beast. It's over, though, right? That is a concept. If I played that for those children running around saying 6, 7, if I played for them. Jeremy, do you even know what this is? Is this something that you have any familiarity with the song and the... These aren't called letters because they're numbers, but this whole thing. People singing. All new, 102. 7, The Beast.

This is the rebranded in like 2014, '15.

Yeah, of course I know. 101. 5. Wow.

Come on.

What song do you hear after that? Ferry Manilow.

I New Studio.

I'll say, true by Spandout Ballet.

It wasn't a song. It was John Tesh's voice. Man, you're taking me back right now. Remember 99 Jams? 99 Jams.

1,3,5, the beat?

Roll call. That's all good with a rhyme that you're saying, Do you hold me up? Be where you represent.

There's Rob Sydney with someone who's obviously not Prince. That is Prince.

He got a picture with Prince.

Maybe it's the Mucinex, but that looks like prints.

That is prints.

It's photos funny. Put it on the poll at Levertsard Show. Have you ever had your judgment impaired by the Mucinex?

Somewhere. Oh, yes. Oh, yes.

Snow Day.

It's What are we doing to this guy? We've made Rob Sydney's day. He went to Buckeies. He's out of Buckeies. Wow. Hey, Rob. Magic 102. 7.

I wanted to ask you guys if you have seen The trailer for the new Netflix movie, it has not come out yet. I don't think it comes out for a bit yet. Miami Cops in Hialeia being played by Affleck and Matt Damon. I don't know when it is. The RIP is the name of it. I've seen that Netflix is taking advantage of, Hey, these two guys, you guys like them in the movies together. You haven't seen them in a while. Here's a cop movie. Also, here's what our subscription costs a month. If you want this movie, it's going to cost you 7. 99 a month, where the way that they're selling it, and it's smart, obviously, is we've got these guys doing this. When's the last time that those two appeared together in a vehicle where they were both doing the starring opposite each other? In this case, their police officers and their dirty police officers because I assume that putting... I'm assuming, I passed this the other day when I was talking about Robert Redford, and I did it very briefly, and I was just saying, is that time in stardom done, where you've got just a signature person who makes movies that you will simply watch what they're doing.

On Netflix, I've watched here Black Rabbit, which I enjoyed. I ripped through it real fast because if Justin Bateman is now in the directing, I want to see what it is that he's doing. Jason. Jason Bateman. Excuse me. Thank you, Chris. If Jason Bateman is directing a movie as he decides with his creative choices to grow, I'm going to watch what he's doing. But it's not because he's necessarily starring It's because I like the choices that he makes. If I tell you, Affleck by himself is not what he used to be. I think Damon is. But when I put them together, that triggers a nostalgia that makes people want to watch that movie.

Well, nobody watched the last duel. That was the last movie that they were in together. Now, that was- Ben Affleck was in that? Yeah. No, it's one of those moments. Adam Driver is the co-lead with that Damon. But there's a... Ben Affleck pops up, and everybody from the '90s is just like, Yeah. Tony saying hello to the train driver.

Can we praise him universally for always making good choices if he's presently in a state farm commercial?

Okay, you don't have to praise him.

I'm not saying... Look, got a bag. God bless everyone for getting the money, which is what he's doing. But obviously, make decisions, financial decisions there when he's pretending to be Batman, but he's not in state farm commercial.

I don't understand how you can have the career arc that Ben Affleck has had, where you dug yourself out of the superhero hell that you were in.

He in a hole.

Yeah. And then you're like, All right, I'm back. Awards everywhere. Let me try this superhero thing again with Zack Snyder. Why would you do this, man?

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Ahoy, it's Captain Slappy.

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I saw that Will Smith is coming here in November. At the beginning of November, he's going to be at the arena. I think it's a motivational speech thing or a business conference thing. When I saw it being advertised on a bus stop, it made me wonder and consider, actually, for the first time, was Will Smith done? Did that slap with Chris Rock? Will Smith was, before The Rock, the biggest movie star in America. I think he had made more $100 million movies than anybody except Eddie Murphy.

I have to clean something up. I found a even more recent than The Last Soul, which was 2021. They were both in air together.

What is that?

Oh, that's Michael Jordan's Sneakers.

That's a good movie. Phil Knight.

Yeah, that's a good movie.

Is Will Smith done? Did that slap end up quietly ending his career? Now, he had had, obviously, a lot of bad choices before that, but did he somehow, the night that he won the Oscar, did he end his career as a big-time actor who's going to get all of the big roles?

No, I would have thought so, too. He's become a punchline, and we'll see if he ever does an original concept. But the Bad Boys sequel came out after that, and it was a big success.

I think the thing that killed his career was when he started rapping again. No, that was great. Yeah, that was the free style.

He came out with an album recently, too.

The free styles were not good.

Even though I'm an action star.

I've heard rumors that he could be Netflix's to follow up the braided Roast. If they got him to agree to do that.

That'd go a long way. That could help him. Softening him. I don't know, man. I get a little uncomfortable.

There's no way he does that.

They would go so hard.

He's that upset about ad joke about Jada Pinket.

There's no way he does that. In terms of he has to realize how out he is right now. I think that's a way his team could say, Hey, if you want to get back in here. I still tense up.

I still feel embarrassed from that moment. It was just so awkward.

Well, I told you guys that I read his biography, and I thought it was really good, and there was a lot of interesting stuff in it, including how formulations cumulatically, he made some of the choices to become what he wanted to be. He went up to Schwarzenegger and said, I want to be what you are. I want to be the biggest movie star on the planet. So when you talk about what that economy is and how you rejuvenate it. When Mike says bad boys, that's him going to the well that he knows he can go to, trying to kickstart it. And I just don't know how many other offers he's getting because you're not seeing him in big vehicles vehicles when the entire industry has changed in a way that finds all of this stuff on streaming. It's still strange to me to see Affleck and Damon starring in something that I can pull up on my television. That's not something... When I was talking to you guys about Robert Redford and whether that's going to be allowed to exist anymore, the movie star as sex symbol, as the guy everyone wants for a single role, not Ryan Reynolds or Gosling or Pretty Boys that are absolutely movie stars, but what Redford was or what even Clooney was, where you got one role and every director wants that actor for that role.

I think that time, if not dead, is headed toward dying.

I would say it's also important to point out with Will Smith. He had done plenty of movies over the last 10, 15 years that just bomb. And so that on top of the incident at the Oscars, you probably- His movies had already taken a hit, I think, before that.

Okay, but again, remember, Oscars, he's winning- What was it he won for again that night? The Oscar, Serena Williams's dad.

That's not a good sign right there. When you can't tell me what the Oscar was, it's like, Oh, yeah, he won an Oscar for what?

I wouldn't have guessed it.

He was good in that now that I think of it.

Let's just go ahead and Google Will Smith Oscar, see what comes up first. The reason why you don't remember it is because the slap. The The Slap just outshined everything. It just erased what was an incredible comeback story.

Chris Cody's not wrong when he said it had been. We were making fun of him for making that Netflix thing with Orcs, and he was making a lot of decisions for many years that were not good decisions. But usually, you win the Oscar, you get a lot of chances after that.

What if he threw a knife instead of the slap?

That might have been pretty cool. I don't know. It wouldn't have It just would have been like, Oh, man, he's really angry. That's crazy. But there was something about the slap that was just... I think the knife would have been worse. Probably. Not if it doesn't reach.

Mike, you still cringe when you just see Will Smith?

Yeah, because I go back to that moment. It was so awkward. It just makes me sad. It was so strange. As it was happening, you kept hoping that it was a set up and that there would be a smile, but everyone just had to sit in it. I think he won the award after that. Of Yeah, he won the award after that.

It was later that night.

It was the most awkward thing that you've ever seen.

There's two parts of it, right? Because he slapped him and everyone's like, Oh, funny. But then it was when he yelled, Keep my wife's name out. That's when I was like, what's happening here.

He had that serious look on his face, and Chris Rock was stunned by it. He was going on here. He said under his breath, Man, I could. Then he decided not to.

To be clear, you guys are saying had he thrown a knife on stage stage and not hit Chris Rock, it would have gone better for him.

I disputed that.

Then just actually... I'm with Chris, by the way. I think if you see him, there's a camera on him. He's like, Did he throw something? And then they pan to the stage. He's like, Did he just throw a knife? Everyone would be like, Ah.

Hold by the blade.

Just to be clear, what you're alleging is the knife's not landing, right? He's just throwing it on stage. He's not stabbing him.

Me and you, we're here trying to figure this out together. I'm trying to figure out this allegation that it's better for him to throw a knife and miss than land a punch.

In my mind, it reaches him, but just the handle hits him, so it falls.

That would have been crazy. In my mind, it hits him, but we don't know it hits him until he looks down and he's like, What?

He's bleeding all of a sudden.

That was so quick.

We definitely would have thought it was a set up. We're on his face where he's like, what just happened?

Exactly. He doesn't even know.

The adrenaline of hosting the show is-Right.

He has no idea.

But then the blood starts dripping and you're like, wait a second. What is that?

That is so sad every time it happens in a movie where the hero is super heroic. You think he escapes? You think? And they're celebrating. They got to safety, and then he opens his jacket.

How do you not know your shot? Oh, no. In these movies, they're always just like, Oh.

The adrenaline. Come on. The adrenaline.

I feel like, Oh.

There's times that it happens to a bad guy and you're still sad. When it happens to Tom Cruise and Collateral, you're like, Now. I feel like we came around Tom Cruise and Collateral. I feel like you turned the corner and you realized you took an affinity to Jamie Fox. It's weird that you were in this movie with Jamie Fox while he was with your ex.

I think I have it right when I say that as surprised as Chris Rock would be if he's just doing his monolog and I don't know where a knife thrown by Will Smith embeds itself in his stomach, would still be less surprised than I was when I was talking about Will Smith and Zaz decided to make his knife sound again and bring back the knife conversationally. Again, just because it reminds us of a better time in this show two hours ago when we were enjoying ourselves more instead of running out of gas.

I have a knife falling short but just sliding across the stage slowly, and then the tip just hits his shoe.

Clattering. Clattering. I still don't think that that's worse than what happened.

I think throwing a knife at someone is worse.

We can agree, though. Walking up and slapping someone doesn't make you look like the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Billy.

Most of the times, you're happy that someone's bleeding out because it's about to ruin the plot, like that scene in the Deparded, where he's in the warehouse, and Leo's sad that his buddy died, and he's like, I remember I gave you the wrong address. You're the Rock.

Do you think they would have let Chris Rock die on stage had he thrown a knife and got embedded in him, and then he fell to the floor and was bleeding?

The better question is, does Will Smith still get the Oscar at the end of the night?

That is a good question. Probably not. You don't think he gets the Oscar? No. They do a revote?

No, I think they suspend the broadcast because of what happened.

But do you think that they would know to act immediately, or they would think it was part of the show?

It's this segment in poor taste.

I saw an episode of Monk where that happened.

Put it on the poll at Levitard's show. Would they have given Will Smith the Oscar if he had stabbed Chris Rock?

These are dangerous hypotheticals that I'm uncomfortable about. I don't like it. Especially when what happened was so much worse.

Not worse. It's not worse.

To slap a man like that and not to flash a smile.

What if he went up and body-slammed him, wrestling style? That's fine. Just picked him up.

That's fine.

The thing that I'm objecting to is that if Will Smith had thrown a knife on stage that hadn't made any contact, it would have been less of a story than what it is that actually happened.

I agree. Is that not a attempted murder? No, he's just in a fit of rate.

He threw a utility.

It happens to be a knife. He's just mad.

He's like, Ah. What if it was a fork?

I've in my mind trying to figure out what happened there. If you'd like, I'd like the opportunity to get reckless now.

Sure. All right. Hold on a second.

Time to throw away all journalistic credibility and get reckless. Here is something we like to call reckless speculation.

You're good.

We probably should have fired this off seven minutes ago. I was trying to figure out what's going on there, obviously him and Jader are hit in a rough patch. Why would he just fly off the handle here? And I thought, Older guy trying to get back into action movies. I thought steroids. Wow.

That's a good take.

So is roid rage?

That's a good explanation, right?

Could be mixed with something else, too. For reckless.

With what? I'm being reckless right now, but I'm not going to be all the way reckless. There's a lot of different reasons as to why that might happen.

A little bit of the white lady. Is that what you're saying?

What's that? Careful.

We're on a knife set. You don't know about that white lady? Reckless.

That's reckless? Reckless.

A spoon is forgivable.

Fork like the Blue Raja.

That's a good reference by you.

He never wore blue.

He pissed me off. I still make fun of Hank Azaria because he comes- It's my favorite movie. This is what he did, though, okay? This is formulaically. When you talk about what it is that people in Hollywood have to do formulaically to become the old-time Jimmy Robert Redford type of movie star. Hank Azaria coming off of his performance in Birdcage, where everyone noticed how talented Hank Azaria was. After you have that seminal performance, he and his people knew that you get three chances at becoming from there the giant lead movie star. You'll get three movies. He thought he was making good choices with Godzilla, mystery men as the Blue Raja. I maintain that's a good movie, and that was a good role for him. It should have been more successful.

Ben Stiller just...

Yes, Furious Man or whatever. All he would do is get as a superhero. That's right. He just gets mad. There's no superpower.

Was William H. Macy's a shoveler?

Yeah.

Yeah. Nice. Kell farted.

The third movie was mystery Alaska. Those aren't the choices you can make if you wanted then parlay your bird cage performance into a resounding movie startup. Two movies with the word mystery in them. Neither a mystery. One of them with a guy who is farting as a superhero.

Wait a second. It's a superhero movie about dudes that don't have super powers?

Yes. They are shaking their fist at the real superheroes. They get no respect.

You know what that movie's greatest legacy is, right? What? It gave us All-Star by Smash Mouth.

Really? Can you guys look up for me, please? Ben Stiller's character. Was it called Mr. Furious? Because his character was to just get enraged. His super...

So he's the Incredible Hulk without turning into the Incredible Hulk?

Without any real power. It's just anger. It doesn't have any strength behind it. I really think.

He would get one of the forks and just key the car.

Greg Kinnear played Captain Amazing, who was the actual superhero that they all wanted to be.

Yeah, he had a NASCAR-sponsored tracksuit. Mr. Furious was indeed the name.

Peewee Herman was The Spleen?

He was the farter.

He was the farter, yes. What did Cal do? He was the invisible boy that wasn't invisible until the end.

Spoiler alert.

Spoiler alert.

Guys, there's nobody trying to see that movie.

Casanova Frankenstein, the bad guy.

He was bad.

Was that Jeffrey Rush?

It's a good name, though. Casanova Frankenstein is a good name.

They were like, We got Casanova, let's combine them.

Put it on the poll at Levitard show. Is Casanova Frankenstein a good name? I was thinking about this the other day, actually. We were talking about, for some reason, commissioners Adam Silver and the power of commissioners. I was thinking, and I didn't say it at the time, the greatest name that a commissioner has ever had is Kenesaw, Mountain Landis. There has been no greater name than one of the original baseball commissioners, Kennesaw Mountain Landis. You will not do better than that.

Well, there was a pretty good name that was banning about by Chris Cody during the commercial break because Spaceballs 2 is coming out, and he got excited about the returning to acting, the unretirement of Rick Moranis.

I did not put the gap there. I said Rick Moranis. Is that not how people say it?

No, it's not.

Moranis. Moranis.

It's Moranis. Tomato, tomato.

That's why I heard you guys all talking in the other room about Moranis. I didn't have any context for what it is you were talking about. You were talking about the unretirement of Rick Moranis?

You were going to say it my way. They bullied you into it. I get it.

Moranis. That's You guys are putting a little space there.

I just said Rick Moranis.

It didn't sound weird. Ra.

That's how I've always said it. That sounds normal to me.

Yeah, I bet it does, pal. My guy.

Hank Azaria, after The Birdcage, selected a script where he was a superhero, the Blue Raja, who threw forks.

It didn't wear blue.

Madneying. Reading the synopsis of that one, Probably not something gets made today.

Mystery, man.

Blue Raja, he's doing an Indian accent the whole time? Hank Azaria?

I mean, spoiler alert.

Yeah.

It was a put-off.

Don't look into the Simpsons, buddy. Well, no.

I mean, hey, look, Hank Azaria, a baseball guy. And speaking of baseball, pitch clock's next.

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