Transcript of Hour 1: Fair Catch, Huh?

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Had Lando on last week for something that Jess was recording with, and they were complaining like, Oh, it's like 89 degrees inside. The student's like, That is nothing. Welcome to America. It's going to be hot as shit.

For this-I mean, yeah, but I will say this. They also race in Singapore, which is just a hop, skip and a jump from the equator. They know what heat is. They're just complaining because they have to do it next to an engine that's right here. So I get it. I'm trying to convert. It gets up to 120 in those cars, and then you're wearing a fire suit, too. It sucks.

That voice you hear is Spencer Hall. He is the host of shutdown, FOLCAST. You get it wherever you get your podcast, College football podcast. He's great. We will talk some college football here in just a second. But right before you came on, and I know you have a question for me about something I was talking about. We'll get to that in a second as well. But we were talking about Taylor Swift right before you came on. Do you have any thoughts on that? Are you tired of Taylor Swift?

I don't know. Can you be tired of somebody after a two-decade run through American cultural dominance? I think that transcends tired. She's just there, man. She's not for me. It's important to realize. I don't want to do the sports talk radio thing where you're like, I don't even like her music. Yeah, I'm not supposed to. That's not main for me. It's like if I walk into a vegan restaurant and go, You all don't have hamburgers. Know your place. Know where you're at.

Stay in your land.

You know what? I'll say this. Taylor Swift, as far as the public facing Taylor Swift, she's been a good guest for football, right? Yes. She's gung ho. She's got bracelets. She celebrates. She participates. Give her four stars in terms of the participation so far.

But do you think we've taken it too far where we're assigning her credit for the chief success because that's what people are starting to do?

There are way other stupid reasons I've seen for people ascribing football success to a team. So why not? Yeah, I don't care. If that helps, I'm more the thing I'm fascinated by, can we watch Swifties really become football experts? This is the gag that you've seen on Twitter or Blue Skye. But I know that they started with, Oh, he dropped the ball. And I know in six weeks it's going to be like, okay, listen, they need to switch to a 5-2 front. All right, twist the tackles, fall to man coverage because it's obvious they can't handle pressure upfront.

I hope we arrive at that day. I really do. What was your question for me before we get to the weekend of college football? Because it was a great weekend in college football.

It was. I just want to ask about the great weekend you have every day, evidently, as part of your life where you get high as hell and go play golf. Yeah.

Gummy golf. Yeah.

So if you're taking a gummy, and I know you're a frequent flyer, you forget where your ball is sometimes, right? Yes. You just lose that.

All the time. Yeah, but I don't care. So here's the thought behind it. I take a gummy when we start, it usually kicks in around the seventh hole. And whether I'm playing poorly or playing well, it doesn't matter. Why? Because I'm high. So if I don't find a ball, that's fine. If I put one in the drink, that's fine. You know why? I'm high, Spencer. I feel good. Therefore, I don't get nearly as upset at the bad shots. Occasionally, I can't find a ball, even if it's right in the middle of the fairway. But you know what? I'm feeling good because I took a gummy.

Yeah, I envy you, man, because that whole active and high thing, I tried to say because there's some people who do that while skiing. And I thought, man, what a great Mountain Time Zone thing to do. I'll just take an edible and I'll go out there skiing. Brother, I am not good at either edibles or skiing, and the combination of the two was certainly above my pay grade. I think I just ended up sitting on my butt like a five-year-old right at the bottom of the hill for a while, which was fine. It's still a good time.

When is the last time you took an edible?

I think that was about three months ago. It's been a minute. Georgia is not quite as easy a pull as say, I know in Miami, wow, you can acquire anything you want in very short order for cash. I know. Atlanta is not quite as easy a pull. Also, it's just not as frequent a thing for me. I'm more of a stimulant guy, but they're more of an occasional thing. Okay.

What surprised you the most here over the weekend, Spencer, in the world of college football?

How little Penn State mattered?

It's incredible. Yeah, it's incredible. James Franklin never wins that game.

Ever. It's just not happening. I feel pretty good that we've got a data set. You go, I don't know, man, he's going to turn the corner. He's got a decade. Does he need another decade? This is like the gimbo question in A&M. You go, I'm pretty sure you know what you've got on your hands. Right. I'm pretty sure you know what the outcome is going to be. In year 11, he's really going to institute the system. That's really when this is going to take. No, you're just going to keep losing this game. I was just amazed at how much nothing they had. If you look, they put the whole game on Drew Aller offensively. They threw the ball 42 times. Now you say, Wow, you throw the ball 42 times in a game where maybe you're behind, maybe you're trailing. No, this was a tight game. This was like a 10-6 game for much of it. And they let their guy throw 42 times for, I think, 4.7 yards per completion. So the amount of nothing they had and their inability to get the ball to either one of their talented running backs who are the best players on offense, I don't know.

It was just a bad ideas day for them. They might beat Michigan if they went one-on-one in these games, I think before the season, they would have felt pretty good about that. They're not doing it. It is not happening.

How about Ohio State? Do you feel even in victory, they were not that impressive? Do you feel like that's a playoff team?

I think with that defense, they can be a playoff team. I do. And I think Marvin Harrison can bail them out of certain situations. But look at this. If that's a household budget, there's not a lot of extra fat there, okay? We're not getting the delux cable package when it comes to points. They don't have a lot of luxury. They don't have a lot of breathing room when it comes to margins on offense. I like a team that can win a close game. I do. I think Kyle McCord can get better, but that offensive line doesn't have the push. They're super injured at running back, and they have one neat offensive trick that fixes a lot of their problems. As long as that's there, they can make a deep run because that defense is carrying the team.

I think Michigan is good, but I have no idea if Michigan is good because they haven't played anyone. So what are your thoughts on Michigan?

Well, how's this? My line on Michigan has been that they played a bunch of trash, but they're taking it out on time, and they're taking it out quickly and aggressively. So that's probably the take you should have. You should go, Yeah, I don't know how good they are, but I know this. I know that they haven't faced a goal-to-go situation yet as a defense, which is ridiculous. Nobody's gotten close. Their end zone is a dusty place that needs to be swept because there's been no traffic in it whatsoever. They have a great run game, and JJ McCarthy has been as good as possible for what they ask him to do, and he hasn't had to do that much. He's a quarterback who you're not going to get him much over 25 attempts. You won't see him throw the ball 40 times, mostly because they don't need to and also because they just prefer to lead with the run. So I would say this. You put a flyer on him and go, This might be the best team. I would definitely not say that they are the best team. I would say this might be the best team in the nation.

North Carolina loses to Virginia as a 23 and a half point favorite. Put that in perspective.

I think you just did. It's 23.5, man. By the way, you cannot take the ACC out of the ACC. This is justmatch. Mac Brown is going to cough up a game at UNC once a year in the middle of the year for no reason. There'll just be no reason. There's no reason that UVA should have won this game. And yet they did. They lose to Georgia Tech. Unc lost to Georgia Tech last year for no damn reason. And this is just a feature, not a bug. This is what you get. To put it in perspective, they're still a ways off from autopilot. You want to recruit well and establish a program that can just run on autopilot and go 10 and two. That's the Mac Brown Texas model. It's the model everywhere he's been. They're not there because sometimes they still spit the bit and lose to a Virginia team that was winless in conference, winless in FBS, and their first win. It's not like, Oh, man, UVA is about to turn this around, which to contextualize that a little bit, they lost three games by a single score. So they were improving. And this is a great win for them.

Hallelujah. Great job. Uva should feel really, really good about this. The flip side of this is that the credit for that victory that lets UVA feel real good about this, we could turn around and be like, UNC, you should feel so bad about this. You should feel bad about this for months. This is a kneecapper of a game. The game you watch in despair is right there as a fan because you know you're going to do this every year.

Billy, we owe Chris an apology.

You guys mocked the question, and he put it in perspective for me.

He did. I didn't think he had that much on it. It was a shitty question, and yet he's such a good teammate that he answered it and answered it well.

What a crazy loss.

No, I love those questions, too, because I do. Now I'm going to say that's actually a good question because it allows you to paint the picture. Jesus. Paint that picture. Yeah, it allows you to frame this up as, how does Mac Brown do this? Like, how can I get in on this hustle where I build a team that is always pretty good but never great and someone gives me a lot of money for it?

I got another good question. The Pac-12, how?

They're the best, man. They're the coolest conference. Oh, I'm sorry. This is a lot like how cool. I don't know if you've ever been to the going out of business sale at a store and go, This is a really cool store. Everything costs three bucks. That's the Pac-12 right now. Yeah, they are the best. They are the best. Oh, like the abandoned Macy's where you're like, Yeah, I'm going to take this monkey lamp. This lamp where it's a monkey holding up a light bulb. It's only three bucks. That's every Pac-12 game this year. They're great. A lot of things haven't changed. Usc still doesn't have a lot of the fundamentals one would associate with a football program. Lincoln, Riley is just like, No, we don't need that. We don't need a defense. We don't need an offensive line. We've got a Heisman trophy winner. Surely he doesn't need protection. Turns out he does because Utah just beat you up all day. Here's the funniest thing that happened this weekend. Utah beat the dog out of USC with the following, okay? A safety playing running back, Cionovaki, was their leading offensive threat, and he was a safety playing running back.

They won with a third-stream quarterback who worked at Lowe's in the offseason to make ends meet and who grew up on a pig farm. Yeah, and this is the dude who is absolutely waxing USC and Caleb Williams. And they did this in the Coliseum, which it's mind boggling how good the PAK-12 can be when it's at its best.

The SCC West, huh?

He is killing it. Yeah, that's another great one. What? I'm just giving green lights to all of his questions here. You could actually walk up with the talk about and I would be like, Hell, yeah.

Let's go, brother. Spencer, I have a question. So James Madison is one of the cooler stories this year, right? Yeah. Six and a 0. Why is there a rule that they're ineligible for the postseason, or if not for the postseason, for a bowl game?

My actual answer is I don't know. I have no idea why we have that rule. I have no idea why they can't actually go for stuff in year one because they have been incredible. That James Madison team did beat UVA. That was one of their big claim the state victories. So obviously, thanks, Matt Brown. Now that victory means something, right? You're like, Oh, listen, James Madison must be incredible. They have a transitive win over UNC, a great team. So I think there are some interesting bureaucratic arguments you can make for why a team coming up can't win in year one. That's dumb. By the way, if you tell a team they can't compete, like if you put them on probation and you say you can't win a championship and you're not eligible this year, inevitably they just go out there and beat ass. That's it. Auburn in the one year when they're like, You can't be on TV. You can't compete for anything. Auburn, win, undefeated. That to me, if I'm a coach and I hear, Yeah, you guys can't actually win anything and can't be on television or compete for the conference championship, I'm like, Undefeated.

Here we come.

All right, more with Spencer Hall coming up right after this.

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His name is Bo. I think, Billy typed an eight instead of.

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Spencer Hall continues with us, Oklahoma. Oh, wow.

That's.

A good point. It is. Great set-up, great execution on the question, Chris. I'm so glad you asked. Oklahoma might be having the season that we thought Texas was supposed to have, and that would be the comeback, wearback, reestablishment of the standard. But I think they've gone a little bit past that because Oklahoma, it is remarkable to me that Oklahoma, without having a defense for so long, and that's not what was going to happen under Brenton Venables, he's a defensive coach, one of the best in the nation. They were eventually going to be really good on defense, even playing in the Big 12 in their final year there. And they are a top 15 defense. They're allowing, I think, 16 points a game. They've been incredible. I knew they were going to have an offense eventually with Dylan Gabriel there because Dylan Gabriel is a great quarterback. But I think with some of the talent they've had and some of the people they got in the portal, they've built a roster that to me feels as complete as Texas' and is maybe better coached. I think they are executing at a better level right now. Also, that was the game of the year.

I know Washington, Oregon was really good. Red River is as good as.

It gets. Incredible.

Spencer, can we end the debate with the nerds talking about advanced scouting? That's what Michigan was doing. You send somebody out to the game with some binoculars. You check out some of their signs and you report back home. That's what we've been doing forever in college sports and in regular sports.

Yeah. There's nothing... Here's this. If you steal signs electronically, that's the rule that we're talking about here. The rule is written in an antiquated way where if you use an electronic device to steal signals, this thing I'm holding up my hand is an iPhone, that if I was taking pictures, that would qualify as a violation of the rule. So it's an antiquated rule. It's also just something people have been doing forever, and it's the reason that you have multiple signals. It's the reason you have those three dudes on the sidelines with red, green, blue. And in the first quarter, the guy in the middle is doing the actual signal. And in the second quarter, it's the guy over here. And then we switch that. That's as old as the game itself. You know Paul Johnson? You don't talk about the most old school answer to this problem I've ever seen. Paul Johnson would send a guard. He'd rotate a guard, and a guard would go to the sideline, and Paul would go, We're running a play-two. The guard would run in, and then they would huddle and they'd go, Hey, we're run and play, too.

If you want a sure-fire way to do this, get your fastest offensive lineman. Okay, have him puff and puff over. Get the call from the coach and come back in. Or let me go ahead and give you this one. Why don't you have the quarterback call to play on the field himself? Because that's what they used to do. Bear Bryant let Kenny Stabler, imagine this, a 19-year-old Kenny Stabler at the head of the Alabama offense. All right, call.

And play. What are you doing?

That's what they used to do. So was Michigan cheating? No, I still don't think they were cheating. Do I think that Harbaugh knew about it? I think he would be very surprised to learn exactly how hands-off Harbaugh was about certain aspects of that program and what he knows or doesn't know.

Fair catch, huh?

Killing it, Chris. Love it, Clones. It's a great quote. The fair catch. That is one of those things where I don't understand the overly litigious. I like a well-called game. I don't like it when Replay comes in and decides they need to play a role in the game and correct something, which if you look, and of course, Iowa fans will do this, we're now... This is one reason that these stories live on to Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday because we have people online who will cut up the other five fair catch signals and go, Why didn't you call that? Why didn't you call that? Why didn't you call that? And that's the truth. They only made that call because it mattered, because Cooper de Chine went on to return that for a TD. And I don't think it was the wrong call. I do think it was the wrong call in the spirit of things, because I think that coming down from Replay and overruling that when you could have overruled it another five times in the game, that's overly litigious. It really is, especially when it's such an iffy call to begin with. This is one of those things where you go, What do you want, affiliiating to be?

Do you want to call everything? I assure you, you do not want to call everything in a football game. You don't. You can call holding every play, talk to any lineman, and you can call holding on every single play. To me, overturning the result of a game based on a call, that fine and that iffy, that's not what we want this to be.

Wait, so you think if that would have been a 25-yard return, they wouldn't have made the call?

I think if it had been a 25-yard return, it depends on whether that got them in... Honestly, that depends on whether that got them in field goal range. I forget the field, the position, right? But honestly, I think that they might not have looked that hard. They really might not have. And I think that in itself is a problem with it because again, how hard are we hammering down on this? Obviously not that hard, right? My opinion is that if you missed the first five and it didn't matter then, then you let the six go because the refereeing, if incorrect, should at least be consistent across the entire level of incorrect, not for that one particular game-changing play.

Our own Lucy Rodine was at a USC, Talgate, watching the Iowa game. She's a big Iowa fan. Let's get a reaction. No! Oh, my God!

And there was.

Yeah, that's correct.

That's about right. Wait, I want to try this. What Chris is doing, I want to try because this is journalism at- Oh, crushing it, you mean? You are killing it. You are. Killing it. Once again, Billy and I apologize. So let me try, Chris, okay? Air Force, sneaky good?

Oh, not even sneaky good. They're good. They are for what they are doing, and they've been doing it for a really long time-.

Protecting and serving.

-troy, Calhoun, has been there for ever. Thank you for your service. Yes. But for what they're doing, they are the best at it, like 100 %. They are what Army was two years ago. They are what Navy was five years ago. I love any storyline or any stat line where you look and you go, So the quarterback passed four times and he went three for four for 178 yards and three TDs. You're like, Yeah, that's perfect. That meant that you ran 58 dives. You ran 58 dive plays successfully and then went over the top four times and scored three TDs off of it. So no, they're really good, both offensively and defensively. They all get killed by any team that has a 300-pound defensive tackle. That's their lot in college football. This is as good as this team can possibly be. They're really fun to watch.

Lincoln Riley, overrated?

Not right now. I think we all got Lincoln properly rated, brother.

But he was overrated, right?

Yeah, that's done. Yeah, okay. Yeah, we wrote that stock down. That's happened because you're not getting a defense. You're not necessarily even going to get a functional offensive line anymore. Then that's only slightly in his control. But that offensive line, they lost two really important starters from last year, didn't really replace them. They've got a left tackle and that's about it. Everyone else, if you listen to their offensive alignment prior to the Utah game, and this is when you should have known there are problems, we're talking about who practiced well and who might get playing time, he goes, Well, we got this walk on. He's been doing really well. Yeah, you were going to die. You were done if you're talking about having a walk on start versustonah, Ellis. That's not going to work.

Have you ever had a worse bathroom experience than being at an Oktoberfest? Sad bathroom after a couple of Bratworths. You look down, you're sitting in a stall and you look down and you see someone else's open sandaled foot. I got a picture of it if you can look at your screen right now. Clearly in the neutral zone, by the way. This is me, just the sadness of my weekend just hitting me right in the face. How do you feel about this?

Yeah. So I have had a worse bathroom experience than this, which is I was in China.

And.

They don't have doors on some of the stalls in some of the more rural areas. And I squatted down to do my business and I had an audience. I had two dudes who were like, Hey, look at this. It doesn't happen every day here. Right. Just like weird guy with a beard. People were watching. Just using the facilities. We should just watch.

Put on a show?

I put on a show.

He was performing. Yeah.

I had business to do, and it got done. Yeah.

I don't know if I'd be able to handle my business with people watching. I got to be honest.

I think you should take an animal. I feel.

Like the foot was watching me.

But how do you feel about the foot? Once the foot crosses the line and it's in your house-.

Should I be making a noise? Should I be making like a noise, like an infraction noise?

That invites further engagement with said foot. I might treat it like a bear. I might be like, Oh, you're a good foot. Keep moving. Hey, bear. Keep moving. You're supposed to talk to it?

Quite nice with the bear.

Sprinkle some water on him just so he really gets the message.

How is he going to know it's water?

Why does he just poop on the foot?

Well, it's like I either pee on his foot or I have to put my hand in the water to spritz him, like give him a little...

Again, peeing might be more participation than you want, and as much participation as this person wants because you never know. Yeah, that's true.

Well, you should have just established your dominance and put your foot where his.

Foot is and push it over to the other side. No, in his stall.

That's what I should have done. I should have put my shoe dominance.

I was just like right next to his in his stall.

That man, open toe into the bathroom is it happens, it's necessary. It's rough. It's rough. Circumstantially, it's not what you want to start with.

Spencer, all college football seasons get down to one question. Who's better? Alabama or Georgia? Who's better?

Yeah, this is like the old Simpsons soccer thing where you go, We'll decide the best soccer team in the world between Spain or Portugal. Yes. Yeah, Georgia is much better at this point. They're a complete team. Alabama still has. Alabama is cool this year because nick gets to coach and he gets real happy when he has problems. Sure. He has all kinds of problems, and that makes him real happy because he gets to yell about it and he feels necessary. They've still got some glaring, obvious issues, even though they've improved over the course of the season. Georgia, even without Brock Bowers, who's out due to a lower leg injury, I like that we have to say lower leg injury, by the way, because they get real cagey about injuries. He has a lower leg injury. Yeah, well, what part of the lower leg? And the very, like just the vague.

The whole lower leg.

The area. We had to operate on the entire area all at once. But even without Brock Bowers, they're so deep and they've got so much talent and they have a pretty nice way of doing things right now. They throw a lot of short passes. They end games by running out the clock on one or two score lead with a defense that's more than capable of protecting it. They're not real flashy right now. They're not last year's team at all. If you want to look, by the way, for where a lot of that offensive potential went, that quick strike, high scoring offense, that super efficient offense they had, it's in Baltimore right now. It's with Lamar Jackson, which should give you an idea, by the way, of how good is at his job because they went there and Lamar is quietly having the best season of his pro career. It explains a lot because you go, Well, how did Stetson Bennett happen? And you go, He had really great coaching. He was obviously really talented, but they put him in a great position to succeed. And that's something that Georgia hasn't been quite as good at this year, but they've been very efficient.

The numbers aren't too far off in terms of overall efficiency. So I would say Georgia. My long answer is Georgia.

Okay. Shut down, full cast. Check him out there, Spencer Hall. He's always there for us. We appreciate it during a very busy time for him. So thank you, Spencer.

Thank you, Chris. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you, man. Thank you, Chris.

Little perspective. Thank you, Chris. Thank you, Chris. Come on, Spencer.

Thank you, Chris. Thank you, Chris.

Thank you, Spencer.

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Talking.

About. The gram. It's been there for a while though, Chris. Not new. Maybe it's not new, but I'm just not a big fan of it. I don't even really know why. I just feel I've never selected who my close friends are. I've been put on some people's close friends list where I'm like, Wow, I didn't even know we were close, and yet I'm able to see your close friends. Didn't even.

Know we were friends.

Right.

I like that feeling, by.

The way. When you see a green person and you're like, Wow, I wouldn't have put this person on my close friends.

I'm just like, Wow, this person thinks we're close friends.

This is nice. I don't have you on anything.

Do you do close friends? I'm actually, because I don't see you ever do close friends.

I don't know. I don't have any close friends. All you guys are my close friends.

Actually, that's a good one. The people out there, if you don't see their close friend stuff, are they just not doing it? Or am I not on their close friends? That's the stuff. I start doing the math in my head. I'm like, my friend Joey is one of my best friends. I've never seen his close friends, real. In my mind, I'm thinking he better not be doing a close friend stuff that I just don't see.

It's.

Just... I just don't like the... It feels very high school of like, These are my followers, but now these are my most important followers. I don't like it.

Is there a chance that you and Joey have a totally different interpretation of your relationship? No.

No? Don't say that about it. Is it a chance that Joey...

What do you mean? Joey said it about you?

That is true. I think I would bet a lot of money that he's just not using the function of close friends.

-what do you use the close.

Friends function for?

-i don't use it.

I never post because I have subscribers if you want to subscribe to my Instagram. Sometimes I will do my subscription story, but I never do close friends. -are you still doing that? -i haven't seen any of that in a while. It's a slow burn. Well, you guys don't subscribe to me, so you.

Wouldn't see it. He does if he just says he.

Hasn't seen it in a while. I don't think you do. No, I just haven't seen a subscriber one because usually like...

That's what I do a promo for. Back in the day, I would do a story where it's like, Hey, if you want more of this, that's what.

He's talking about. What do you charge a month for that?

Like a cheaper than an expensive cup of coffee. No, but what.

Is-i've heard.

That before from Nutsy. Okay, but what do you actually charge a month?

I think it's.

4.99. And how many subscribers do you have?

I'd say dozens.

Dozens. And what are you providing those dozens of people?

A few stories.

A week. I'm trying to figure out what-No, you're not. I'm trying to figure out how lucrative this is for you.

It's peanuts.

70 bucks, 80 bucks.

Yeah, it ends up being 100 and change.

Per month. I had someone- That's why.

It's not really worth my time. That's why I don't really.

Dedicate more time on it. But your followers.

Are subscribers. Once I get to over 100, then we're talking.

Well, no, you're just telling the people that are in on the ground floor that they're not.

Valuable to you. They know it's a slow burn, though.

I'm convinced if we chip away at this, it will be won a month.

I'm not great at it. He has said it's a slow burn. The subscribers have gone down because it's.

Just-because they realize.

They're wasting their money. I just like the idea of people have these big documents with all their weekly expenses, and then someone's wife is just like, What the hell is Chris 499?

That app that automatically cancels things has to kill you. That has to not be good for you at all.

You have families having that as part of their family.

I have to be low down.

Four dollars is not nothing.

I have to be so low down on this depth chart of expenses. I have to.

Be one of the first clients. You're just hoping that people forget. That is the whole thing. It is, yes. I had a meeting with someone that they launched this app, and the first person I thought of was Tony. I didn't know if I could do it or not, but I don't care anymore. So I think I'm just going to reach out to the person.

And do it again. The OnlyFans app?

-no. It's an app where people can tune in and watch you live debate someone else for 10 minutes on any topic that you want. Oh, I love that. You know what? And I told him like, Oh, I'm going to ask around, see whatever. And I think I may reach back out to the guy and see if me and you can have a weekly debate on whatever. And we'll figure out what it is and we'll sign up. Dude, I love that. And the minimum is 10 minutes once a week. We can.

Argue forever, though.

So we can just pick a topic once a week, and we could set up the day that we do it. I'm going to reach out to the person. I'm going to put you in contact with them, and then I'm going to try to get the fans to sign up for this because there's live voting and you can vote who it is that's winning and who's losing on this app? Yeah.

It's a good idea for.

An app.

Oh, dude, I love it. I'm going to look back into this tomorrow, and then I'm going to tell everybody, and then I'm going to see if maybe there's a whole cameo situation where I sign you guys up and get a little bit of a cuck.

-cameo is doing bad, by the way. -not the point.

The point is, what do you mean, cameos doing bad.

Yeah, they used to be huge during the pandemic. They used.

To have like 40 employees in their... Or 400 employees down to like 30, according to something that one of them said.

-the cameos have dried up.

-no wonder they have. No wonder I haven't been getting a text from our boy.

-all right. -all right. -i didn't.

Know if you were saying the name. -yeah. I didn't.

Say I want to say the name either. I have this weird thing now. He's the.

Catty, right? He's the catty. -yeah. -catty, yeah.

Exactly. Maybe not anymore. We don't know.

I don't know if this is probably bad and probably not good for my mental health, but I filter all the things that I want to do on social as if Billy was watching it.

Which is really bad for me. That makes me feel so bad.

Because I.

Go to post something, and Billy would tell me nobody wants to see this, so I'm not going to post it.

He's in your head. The Billy filter.

The Billy filter. I have the subscriber thing now because I passed a certain threshold or whatever. I was like, Oh, you can get subscribers.

I'm like, All right, cool. Why not? I did notice this, and I haven't mentioned it. I did notice that Chris subscriptions to Twitter Blue now.

I don't know when I did that. I noticed the other day, too. I was like, Where did I get a blue checkmark? It was something. I think it.

Was like tweeting. You click on it and says you pay for Twitter. -you put your credit card information in it. Exactly right.

You don't have to pretend like you know.

What you're doing fine. I think why I did it was like a limit. You get to tweet longer tweets or something. There was some reason where I was just trying.

To do something. Some business decision.

I was trying to do something and I was stopped and they were like, You need to be Twitter Blue. I clicked it, Apple Pay, instant, and I was just like, All right, I'm in.

Listen, you probably did it because you couldn't get super subscriber or whatever without it, and you wanted to do that. Listeners, this is for you. Chris Cody is not paying for Twitter Blue because he wants to be verified and he wasn't verified before. Correct. He's doing it for you so that he can deliver to you longer content that he's not actually doing once a month.

You're right. Thank you, Billy. Thank you, Billy. Thank you, why is Taylor in here?

Hey, Taylor. Why are you in here? Hey, guys. This is the only other person that Levitor left behind on the guy in the studio. We can now play basketball. We got five.

Unc, big loss.

That's why we brought him in, so we can laugh at him. Mine is 23.

He loves UNC. He loved that Mac Brown was on God bless football last weekend. He thought UNC was going to win the game.

He was in the control room locked in for that interview. I was so excited.

I can't believe you guys didn't let him take part in it. That's messed up, honestly.

I was wondering that too.

Why didn't he? I don't know. I mean, he didn't ask. He could have. Yeah. It was for Sims. We did it for Chris Sims. That's why.

Former slot receiver for UNC.

Wait, you haven't answered the question. What are you doing here?

I'm here for my Carolina observation. Oh, good.

It's very good.

We don't have stew's observations.

Every week.

Not.

Tomorrow. We got Taylor's observations. As we.

Do every Monday. Just quickly, I need a Dan for my observations. I realized that last week it felt very empty, so I have asked Dan Orlowski to sit in tomorrow as Dan Leviton.

What a waste of.

His time.

What name is Taylor going to say? It's a total waste.

Of his time. What name is Taylor going to say at the beginning of this? I don't know.

Tony. Are you doing it that way?

Yeah. Do you actually have notes? Do you need imaging? How does this work? You want the beep?

Just the beeps.

Okay. Wait, but.

Quickly, Taylor, you write down an assortment of notes after every Carolina game, right?

He does a postgame show for Carolina. All right. He does a Carolina podcast. I'm sorry.

If he's your.

Fourth receiver, nothing gets done in North Carolina without Taylor saying so.

Chris loves my.

Reporter, Caden. Put that on the pole. Does anything get done unless.

Taylor says so. I mean, he still lets nitpick. He still lets nitpick from me. I borrowed it. That's neither here nor there.

-that's neither here nor there. -kigan Chapel Hill. Okay. All right, Taylor, so deliver these however you imagine you would deliver these.

Stu. Make no mistake about it. Losing a game they had no business losing. North Carolina football. North Carolina is back. This needs music.

I'm going to.

Take that out.

Of my head. Hey, Tony.

Give me a.

Second here. Let my boy cook. It doesn't even have to be the Stugach music.

It's just any music.

It's okay. Maybe Tony sings.

Oh, yeah, Tony maybe sing. What is that? -money in order. -why do you have to sing?

-law and order music?

Yeah, that's for you. What is happening? I saw that there's like a new CSI or S-B-U or one of.

Those things.

Oh, no. Sydney. They're about to- Oh, no. -they're NCIS.

I saw that. Same story, different city.

They said something like Love, naval war crimes, NCIS. I was like, Wait, what?

That's what the show's about?

Well.

Here's the thing that I don't understand about this. Are they actually filming in Sydney? And is it just that the producer just wants to live in Sydney? They're not.

Producing in Sydney.

They.

Can't be, right? No way. It's got to be a set. It's like FBI International. They're doing it right here. I mean, get out of here. It's a scam.

Okay.

North Carolina football is not back to being in the national conversation. Why is it my button working? It was never in the national conversation.

It is time for two guys to share his.

Game notes. It is time for us to go through here. He's gettingsure from the beginning.

Mute that part.

No one in the media will tell you what happened better than my boy, stew.

Taylor.

Stew? Yes. Make no mistake about it. Losing a game they had no business losing. North Carolina football is back. Got it. To not being in the national conversation. Just a note, I was not asked to say one word the week following. Unc beating Miami.

Wow, Diva. By the way, weekend observations brought to you by.

Miller Lake.

Excellent.

You wereYou.

Were silenced. Great taste. 96 calories. Who censored you? Probably Mike Ryan. Taylor, here's the key. Definitely, Mike Ryan. Taylor, here's the key. Just keep your head down, okay? Just keep plowing forward.

All right?

Six and a six at.

Home ranked in the top 10, a 23 and a half point favorite, a historic offense, a generational quarterback, an improved defense, all for the worst loss in school history against the Virginia team that had only won win this season against William & Mary, the tribe.

The calves.

Let that one breathe a little bit. Let that breathe a little bit before the tribe next time.

I'm racing against this.

Clock.

Right now.

Yes. How many did you do? The N.

In North Carolina stands for Never have I ever been this embarrassed by a loss. I was once on the team when we gave up 70 points to ECU.

Oh, wow.

Up double digits in the second half, the C in North Carolina stands for Choked. Yeah. A week after an emotional win against a top 25 Miami team, the T in Tar Heels stands for Trap Game. I'm not sure how, but I'm convinced this is somehow God bless football's fault for having Mac Brown on last week and then losing the next day.

Yeah, the curse.

You don't know what rock bottom is until you're watching your top 10 team lose on the CW.

What?

Cw has football.

I couldn't find it. Also, F-boy Island now in CW.

You don't know what rock bottom is until you're watching your top 10 team lose on the CW as they cut away from Kenan Stadium to a Tim Allen sitcom rerun. Omar and Hampton, the ACC's leading rusher, only getting five carries in the second half and not touching the ball the final eight and a half minutes in a one score a game. What the hell? Speaking of hell, our brows.

Yes.

Two of those are the Carolina observations.

Every week now.

Well, I don't know about that.

Well, until.

Dan gets back. Yeah, good luck.

Doing that. Let's have that. Monday will lead with Dan back.

Dan, we got a new segment.

For you. Yeah, Carolina observations with Taylor.

We're really spreading our wings. Dan, we really took some chances while you were gone.

We want to watch people grow.

You wanted us to do sports.

We're doing sports. Exactly, right.

We really honed in on.

North.

Carolina. The tribe.

Monday, again. Did they play this week?

Georgia Tech. It's about a House of Horrors for them.

Going to Atlanta. A House of horrors.

The CW?

Who knew?

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