Transcript of Baltimore’s Back, Washington Has Arrived, KC Is Houdini, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal

Coming up, it is somehow the second podcast of the weekend. NFL Sal. Next, we're also brought to you by the Ringer podcast network where you can hear the rewatchables. Every Monday night we put up a new episode that you can also watch on our Ringer movies YouTube channel. I'll just tell you this. I'm not going to tell you the movie, but it's scary movie month. Scary month. Yeah, scary month. That's what we're calling it. October is scary month on the rewatchable. So we will be having horror movies. Tomorrow's the first one. 7th, 14th, 21st. That's five horror movies. Wow, this is gonna be exciting. So that is gonna be in the rewatchables all month. And we are also gonna be in New York doing a live show on October 7. I'll tell everyone the movie on my Thursday podcast so you can have a few days to prepare for it, but very excited. We're gonna be on Broadway. We sold out. I don't know how many seats it is. It's like 1000, 1100. The music box is the location. Looking forward to seeing everybody in a week. Looking forward to talking to you, Cousin Sal, in a second about NFL if you missed it.

I did. I'm not going to call it an emergency pod, but a special pod, a bonus pod on Saturday because the Knicks made that big trade with Minnesota confusing. Not sure who won it. Had to bring out Austin Rivers and we talked about it. We hashtag our opinions. I had a great time. You can also watch, watch that podcast on YouTube. It's only like 50 minutes, but we hit all the basics. So we will not be talking about that trade on this podcast. We will be talking to Cousin Sal. We did it live on YouTube. As always, as we do it on Sunday nights. Let's bring in our friends from Pearl Trip. We're live Sunday night. Bill Simmons podcast. Cousin Sal is here. We're going to do guest in the lines later. Right now, we're licking our wounds. Buffalo Sal, all the way up to eight and a half seemed like the easiest tease in the world. They had other ideas. We're both a little somber. Hate started the podcast with somber energy.

But Buffalo, this is great because next week is after the Steelers Cowboys. So I expect things to be much different. But yeah, shit, man. I had them. They hadn't lost by like double digits and like 20 months or something insane. I look back and of course I did enough losing them. Like, all right, I'll put this with the bills. I'll put this with the bills. Plus, listen, if there's a candidate running on the we will outlaw teasers platform, I'll vote for you. I don't care. Whatever I thought before, I have to be done with it crushing.

I've done $3 million picks and I'm over three. And house and I joked about it, but now I'm mad. Now I'm just like, I'm going to keep doing this until one of them wins and then never do one of them again. But the thought process was, yeah, it'll probably be a one score game. Even if Buffalo is down 1011 in the fourth quarter, you know, they'll be able to get the cheap touchdown, little backdoor action. Baltimore's defense has been letting that happen all year. Baltimore's defense was great tonight. I was really surprised. They were fast. They're chasing Allen around. They shut down the run. They were really into it and it was a Sunday night and they showed up. Their two and two. Their two losses are likely foot on the line in week one against Kansas City and then blowing that stupid Raiders game, which will probably go down as the dumbest result of the year. But they were owing to. We were wondering if they were even going to make the playoffs. And now they look great.

They look great. I was with you. I said, these teams have evenly matched and just like you, I was like this. They love blowing leads. Baltimore as good as they look against Dallas, they try to blow that lead. They didn't. Buffalo is going to stay within one score, but someone forgot to tell Derrick Henry. Bill. Yeah, that's. That was best pickup of the year. I guess it has to be almost 200 yards rushing.

He has not lost one step 87 yard touchdown to start the game. It's weird because I don't want to say he's faster cause he's probably not, but he does have. It's almost like watching a train that gets momentum and it just seems like he's. He's just has so much momentum. It's just going faster and faster and faster. He's not like Tyreek fast, but he does pull away from these dudes still, even after all these years, including Hamlin, who was. It felt like he was like, by the time that run was over, he was like three yards ahead.

Everybody, I like, you know, I like the narrative vote. Wait till it gets cold and no one wants to tackle him thing. Not the third week in September, 4 week in September. He must be running with like an igloo in his chest. But yeah, it's not good. And you know, everyone's like, personally, it's like, oh, jerry's effing cheapskate. You know, he didn't pay. I'm like, why don't we just pay justice hill? I would have taken justice hill at this point. Why wouldn't Derek Henry? God damn it.

Well, I have both ravens on the keeper, and it's gotten to the point where there might be certain matchups where you just start both of them. I don't know if that, how many times running backs have gotten to that, but it's like, I don't know, there might be games where the two of them combined can get to 200. My big takeaway from that game, though, Sal, and this might be a rock paper scissors thing. And, look, could have been a bad night for Buffalo. I'm not willing to say it would happen every time, but Baltimore did seem bigger. Like, you know, I was a little worried about Buffalo's defense. With Bernard out and Milano out. Their pass rush has been good. They've looked good when they've had leads, but when they're behind and they had to just kind of stop Henry and they had to stop Justice Hill, it just felt like the size of the two teams was a little different. You notice that?

Yeah, it definitely seemed, I saw the speed chasing Allen down. That was the first thing that jumped out at me. And the size and the fact that the middle was open for anything, whether it was a big run up the middle or just a pass, and everyone like, well, that's, that's the Bills kryptonite. Like, really? The entire middle of the field? Like, yeah, that's the, that's the guts of their defense. I'm like, wow, what was going to be a long last year?

It seemed like every part of the field was there. Kryptonite.

Yeah.

So I'm in this, uh, this guillotine league this year that I told you about. I got roped in. I'm somebody's partner. And we had a terrible day today. Yeah, we, we had one of the best teams, but we had Brie Saul, who I will talk about him later, but, I mean, he was one of the first, 2nd, or third pick in every fantasy league, and he's been a catastrophe. We had that Carson Steele guy who fumbled on the first series was never seen again. So all of a sudden, we're going into these Sunday night, Monday night games, and I have the Buffalo and tees, but we also really need Lamar to do stuff. And I'm just like, my head was spinning. These guillotine leagues are great. What a cool idea. I don't know why. Why we didn't even know about these things.

Tell everyone what it is. A lot, lot of people don't know what it is.

So it's. It's 18 weeks, 18 teams. Everybody drafts, and you can start. You start nine players, at least in the one I'm in, it's quarterback, two running backs, two receivers, two flex and a tight end. And that's it. So you can have great. Two awesome guys in your team can have a shit week, and all of a sudden you're going home. And the way they do it is the order is if you're 18th in week one, you're out. And then everybody gets to draft your players. There's auction. So now we're in week four, and we're getting to the point where when guys get knocked, like, if we get knocked out, which is very possible tomorrow, then we have Lamar, we have Bries hall. Like, people will be bidding a lot of their saddle cap, but it's. It's cool. So it's part expertise, but then it's part kind of dumb luck. And we have Bruce hall and this stupid, stupid, uh, Denver game where Bo Nicks wins the game with 60 yards passing, which hasn't happened since 2007. Anyway.

Same sinking boat as you. With 15 teams left. It's like you need about 70, 75 points to win, but I'll need like 40 out of golf. But, uh, it's still the greatest.

Yeah. I need tomorrow. I need Montgomery and, uh, and JSN on the Seahawks. And if I can get those two to get about four, I basically need three touchdowns between them. It's not looking great.

Got it.

So I asked you, and this is a good time to do this. Let's pick the AFC and NFC title game matchups. I think we should just every four weeks what we think the matchups are going to be, including location of the game. We didn't, we didn't compare notes and I had a lot of, lot of trouble doing this. But your AFC title game right now after week four, and we'll pick this up again in week eight, maybe we'll make a little clip after week 16 of our four choices. So this is after week four, AFC title gamers where? What city?

Okay. Well, this isn't exactly fair because I feel like I need to see Tennessee play at least one more game, and we're doing this before the money.

They're saying Levis had a great week of practice.

Really, everything was in sync for the first time. I don't want to be a prisoner of the moment. I don't know if this is why you're doing this, because we're just coming off the Ravens game. You're like, I had an idea. They're going to the Super bowl. We're going to. And I did this last week and I left my beloved Washington commanders out of the playoffs and then they won two great games in six days. I am sticking with my pick. Bill's home for the Chiefs.

Bill's home for the Chiefs.

Yes. I think the Ravens are about ten or 15% better with Derek Henry, but I still think they could do what they do. You know, they'll lose a lead and blow it in January and whatever September team is different from a January team and we'll get into the Chiefs later, but they always seem to be there and I like thinking that they'll make the final two in the AFC.

So before the game tonight, I had Buffalo at Kansas City.

Okay.

And then I got sent to the moment penitentiary and they put me behind bars and I became a prisoner. And now I have Baltimore, Kansas City.

Perfect.

Because I think Buffalo has lost like real stuff on defense and we've seen them with a lead, which is one thing, but when they had to be behind and actually get some stops and have to stop a bigger, more physical team, I just. We see this every year and we always forget. And basketball is a little similar to this, too, where teams that can look one way in the regular season, the playoffs, that can be a little different.

Right.

I just like the size of Baltimore a little bit more when we get to January. Now we have the whole Lamar piece of it which has not been solved in January yet and why he hasn't been able to have success. But just in general, I like the feel of that team more. But we all know KC is going to go 14 and three, but the point differential of those 14 wins will be, you know, like 40 points and they're going to go to the playoffs and they're going to get somehow round one by and then in round two they're going to win by two and in the AFC title game they'll win by three. And in the Super bowl they'll come from behind and they'll win by one and they'll win three playoff games by six points and be our title team with JuJu Smith Schuster and probably Henry Ruggs coming back, but he's been pardoned to come back and be their number two receiver. That's what I got. Baltimore, Casey.

All right. I just. Listen, we can't do this. I know this is what we do with sports media. We're supposed to make a big deal out of these night games. They're supposed to be more important. But if Baltimore loses to Cincinnati next week by double digits, then what are you going to do?

Well, process of elimination. It's nobody else in the AFC west. It's nobody in the AFC south unless Houston can have a personality transplant, and it's not the jets. So now we got to go into the AFC north and it's either Pittsburgh or it's Baltimore. And from what we saw from Pittsburgh today, that was the first time. Started to wonder if their defense was a little bit of a rabbit in the 1500 meters race that all of a sudden starts fading a tiny bit. Cause the Colts, the Colts did a lot of things to them in that game today that made me nervous. I think Baltimore, Casey's safest bet. What do you have for the NFC?

All right, NFC I am again, I think sticking with my preseason pick. Don't love it as much. Lions host the San Francisco 49 ers. Actually, they're not really hosting them. The game is going to be in Springfield, Ohio because that that city has taken so much shit and I feel like they're going to pay. Pay the no Lions hope home for 49 ers.

Is it crazy to save Minnesota at Detroit in the NFC title game? No, I'm still leaning toward the year from hell thing with the Niners, even though they won today. I don't know. When we see McCaffrey again, they just keep getting. They had two more injuries in the past game today and I really like how that Minnesota team looks and I know we're going to talk about them later, but, but I'm a believer. I think especially maybe there's one or two moves they can make before the trade deadline, but I'm a believer they're really well coached. That game was over. It was 28 nothing, you know, and then that guy muffs a punt and all of a sudden Green Bay gets this 28 seven where it looked like they were lose 50 to nothing. But I, you know, I just thought Minnesota was dominant in that game and they've answered a lot of questions. They have two really good receivers, including the best receiver in the league who can just seem to get open over and over again. They can run the ball this year. Jones was really good today and Darnold was, was good.

And it's not incon. I guess we're going to talk Minnesota right now, but it's not inconceivable to me, that Darnold could get to an NFC title game because we've seen weird shit like that with, with quarterbacks that we kind of gave up on and then had these comeback seasons or rejuvenation seasons or juvenation seasons. It's happened. It's happened a bunch of times.

It's so weird. I guess I have to shed the bias that this Minnesota team is similar to the Kirk Cousins Minnesota team that won every game by one score and we didn't believe in them even though they had an incredible record, which, you know, despite this team would be lucky.

To get that team, this team, 20, you know, they're going up, they suffocate.

They don't give you a break. Like, we got it. We could talk about that game, but like maybe Jordan love, first of all, that was a foregone conclusion with the, with the public that, oh, Jordan loves back. Vikings need to take a step back. Jordan Love wasn't ready for like a quarter and a half, which usually should be okay. The Vikings didn't let him in that game. I mean, I know the onside kick would have changed it at the end, but they're like, no, we're not going to give you a chance to catch up here and get your footing back.

They just, they kicked the crap out.

Of them right away.

It was very similar to the Pittsburgh Kirk Cousins game in week one where somebody who was going from it had been a while before they'd been in a game like that to all of a sudden getting thrown into it. Love, I mean, he basically, no preseason at all. Then he plays in Brazil in that stupid field and gets hurt, right? And then he's sitting out and then he comes back and he has to put that Minnesota team. I thought Pittsburgh had the best defense in the league, but it's, it's Minnesota probably by a hair just because of all the turnovers. One of the things that jumped out today, almost like in basketball, when a team that has a really good defense is getting a lot of deflections and they're just like, they're just touching the ball and balls are getting tipped out of bounds or the blocking or they're getting steals. The Minnesota defense, I swear to God, they must have touched like eight or nine footballs that were just passes. Either they tipped or they almost intercepted or there was a deflection. I don't know if that's a stat, if somebody keeps that, but I, it was just surreal how many times they.

Touched the football hands all over, like the 49 ers usually I would Fred Warner and their everything. Yeah. Like too many, too many basketball references.

I mean, there's a big trade this weekend. Now I'm starting to NBA again. But yeah, love looked rusty. The packers couldn't cover. Alexander was out. So that really hurt them. They also had a bunch of drops. They got it from, it was 20. Nothing all of a sudden was 2022. And my good friend Jeff Galloway, lifelong Minnesota fans, like, I turned it off. I can't watch. Like he's just like all his Vikings DNA kicked in, but they had a pretty good drive where they trusted Darnold and he actually, it wasn't one of those like run the ball. Like he, he converted throwing five or six times and converted some big plays. They got a field goal. One thing with the packers that I think, you know, I'm just going to Mark, like, they still don't have a field goal kicker. Like they're going to wave. The dude from today, he missed. What did he miss? To Galveston.

It is very, it is more important.

Never seem like they have a kicker.

Yeah, I know. Who was the last one?

Easiest time ever to kick a field goal. They somehow, they still don't have one, but so they got to figure that out. And I still, talent standpoint, I think they're in the top four in the NFC, but, you know, there's some, some nitpick stuff. You could definitely do it.

Do you think, Donald. Okay, so if you, if you have Minnesota, well, does that mean you have them like a top two seed if they're going or they're going to pull some upsets if they're going to go.

To the finals, I have them as the five seed.

Oh, really? Okay.

The highest wild card in my head, I think they can get to the highest wild card. That means they'll play, you know, the worst division team, which will probably be the NFC east. Sorry.

No.

And then, you know, they win that and then they would have to play whoever in the next one. I guess it would be tough for them. So Detroit, if Detroit was the one seed, they'd probably have to play Detroit in round two if they were the five.

That's how, like, if there was no option. I'm just trying to see if Donald is properly placed at eleven to one for MVP because everyone, that's, that's the thing everybody's bringing up here. I was like, well, listen, he has to be a top one or two seed to be considered there, but he's fifth on the list behind Lamar Shroud, Allen and Mahomes.

Wait Lamar is the top guy on fanduel right now.

Sorry, I read it backwards. So Mahomes is the top guy. Plus 230. Josh Allen. I mean, we could discuss that, too. Mahomes.

Yeah, I want to do that. Let's do that and then we'll take a break. Mahomes. Plus 230. Design fanduel, Allen. Plus 320. Stroud. Plus 950. Lamar, ten to one. Sam Darnold. Eleven to one. And then the reason I want to talk about this, purdy at 16 to one, I think is a great bet. And I watched every play of that game today. The Niners pats game, the second game in rover. He's just, he's really good. He really creates, creates time and gets out of shit. He hits deep balls. They had three receivers today that had catches, I think of like 38 or 40 yards or more every game. It's almost like they get a long play per quarter and their whole philosophy of just run, run, hit you deep, run, run, run, hit you deep. And he throws the deep ball better than anybody in the league at this point. Plus, he can escape pressure and buy himself time. I think he's really good.

A great deep ball, maybe not like a rocket for an r, you know, I think that people. That's one knock on him. But I think he's got amongst like the top three in field awareness for like, when he's like rolling left, he knows just before he's about to step out and a lot of times can complete it. And I think those the plays you're talking about, how he comes, uh, comes up looking. Looking pretty. There he is. He's very good.

What was 16 one? I think those are pretty good odds. Cause you figure in the NFC, could San Francisco potentially get to a one seed or a two seed, which is where you have to get for NFL MVP. And they obviously could, right. It's them or whoever comes out of the NFC north would be the two possibilities for the one seed. I think, you know, there is still some year from how potential from them with the injuries, though, that's been a problem.

Yeah, I don't say all the injuries are behind them. Cause they still don't have the best player in the league back and I don't know that. But I do think they could. They could win double digit games without McCaffrey now, right? I don't think. I would have thought that two weeks ago.

There's a lot of buzz that he might not be back. Like, he might be like December range. So if you have on your fantasy team, I would just I would just send the check to whoever your commissioner is. But at the same time, like, Mason has been running the ball really well for them, right? They have. Whatever that system is, it doesn't seem to really totally matter who the running back is. They can always get yards. But then the fact that Jennings, who I think all of us have liked for a couple years, and I've always wondered why he didn't have get more targets. He always seemed to make these big third down catches in big games like, yeah, right. But now they've elevated him and it almost feels like he's become this year more important than Ayuk, who they just made.

I was going to say like the trade off is McCaffrey, but Iuk is your third target and you're still winning. Like they're doing okay.

He might even be, you could argue he might be the fourth target this year, just the way the games have gone. Yeah, yeah, maybe Debo and uh, whatever. But regardless, Jennings Ascension, I think, has made the McCaffrey thing a lot, a lot more palatable for them. All right, we're going to take a break for the podcast and we're going to stay here on YouTube and then we're going to talk about the NFC east. Well, that was a roller coaster week four in the NFL. It's not even over yet, but FanDuel's giving you another chance to start the season with big return, and they're doing it on America's number one sports book. You'll get started with $200 in bonus bets guaranteed when you place your 1st $5 bet on tonight's game. It could be Titans at Dolphins, it could be Seahawks at Lions. I am partial to the Lions. I love the first half and the game Lions moneyline, which is around even then. You can throw in a some rushing stuff if you'd like Montgomery to get a touchdown, whatever you want, throw them all together and go nuts. Just visit fanduel.com b's to make every moment more this season.

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And it's so easy. The guys are open. Daniels does miss. Did you see? He's 87 for 106 this season. He has 19 incompletions, doesn't miss. And when he rolls out, he's faster and quicker than everybody. He looks like, almost like faster. Lamar, there's guys open everywhere. Their chemistry is great. And it looks like in the span of a week they've completely reinvented themselves.

And he's so in control, too. Like, he's so not a spaz. There's running quarterbacks who are a little spastic and nervous. He is like, I know what I'm going to do. I know where I'm going to put the ball. Even as, even his interception was like, oh, man, I see what he was doing there. Really could have had that there. But he is so solid. Converting third down. I have a friend who's a casual Cardinals fan, Arizona Cardinals fan. I text him like, that might be the best offense you see all year. And he's like, go fuck yourself. I was like, no, I'm not talking you. I'm serious. That might be the best. They punted once in like two and a half weeks. It's, it's crazy. So I don't know what to think of this. Like, they're, they should be favored in some of these games. We're going to go to this. But they are spectacular. Before the game, when the Eagles were losing and the Cowboys looked like crap but won on Thursday, I was like, oh, man, we might be able to take this division at seven and ten. I'm like, no, here come the Washington commanders who are going to hit double digits.

It looks like.

I wanted so badly to pick them to win the division before the year, and I just couldn't get there. We talked about it on the, when we did our over under pods because their defense just looked like it was going to be a sieve it looked like they were going to have one of the three worst defenses in the league. That might still be the case, although they were pretty good today. I think when you look at how easy it is for them to get first downs, when Daniels never misses, when he can run around, when any time he wants, it feels like he can get seven yards. And then they're playing this Arizona defense that after day, their 32nd in completion percentage for the other team, 78.6%. I kind of wish I had realized that before I picked this. Cause there were just guys open everywhere. But there was another piece, and we didn't talk about it on the Sunday pregame show today that we did for YouTube TV and Fanduel. The Kingsbury revenge game, I think was a real thing, right? Did you hear that theorized anywhere? I actually didn't realize that it was a thing, but I think it was.

No, I didn't. All I know is my friend Harry, from, against all odds, would check his garbage because he lived in the neighborhood and try to find like, play sheets and stuff, and he still lives there. But other than that, I didn't hear much on it. That is a true story.

Yeah, well, there was a clip. I mean, the best. The best videos ever are the locker rooms after the NFL, after whatever win, and you get to see the guy and he's holding the ball up and he does the speech and then to this guy right here, and the whole locker room goes nuts. So Dan Quinn did it today, and it must have dropped like eleven or twelve f bombs. I was really impressed. He must be like a real swear. But he was giving the ball to cliff and he was like, this guy. We came back and whatever he did, and the locker room went crazy. So it seemed like they really like him. But I just like the vibes and the chemistry house, and I talked about it Thursday there. There's a lot of, like, the way teammates are talking about Daniels. You kind of know it when you see the quotes. You're like, oh, oh, this is happening. Like, the, the other guys in the team are talking about how special. So I think there's something there. I certainly like their team better than your team.

Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. And, you know, like, not counting the draft, Derek Henry was the best pickup in the offseason. I think Cliff Kingsbury was second. You could maybe say Barkley was second.

I think Kingsbury, he's right now, no question, finishing last. Trying to think, whoever the pack, everyone. The Patriots checking.

Yeah, that early slate was great. Let's give it up for the NFL. I mean, there was scoring.

I didn't have enough tvs. I had six games going and I couldn't even get jets, Denver. That capacity of a offensive battle, quarterbacks.

With more than 40 yards at halftime throwing.

It was really fun and, and stuff where topsy turvy stuff where you would take a game off and then it was like, oh, shit, I guess I got to get the Vikings back on a tv. Two more Daniels things. One, we talked about it and I think you took it in our futures draft. Daniels for offensive player of the year was six to one and Caleb was plus 120. And we had a lot of dialog about how stupid it was and I don't think I actually bet it in real life. And we were like, what's the difference between these two guys? Like what? Like, they seem to have equal chances to succeed. Their talent is around the same. It's not inconceivable either guy could take off. And when you watch Caleb, and Caleb had some good throws today, some bad ones, but he's also, what, two years younger than Jaden? Maybe two and a half years. But Daniels just seems so much more polished than him. He just seems like a guy in his mid twenties.

I'm trying to compare him to stroud at this point, a month in. Right. So Stroud gave you a confidence you wanted betting on him and everything and just looking at him as a quarterback, he may even have a little more confidence. Just a little more. I know what I'm doing with this ball kind of thing. Yeah, but he was six to one. I feel like a little bit of a trend here. It's like you don't, don't go with the guy everyone's screaming about. Go with the second guy. You know, it's a rookie of the year. That's kind of what happened the last couple of years.

He's got some good, he's got some good sideline confidence, too. When they show him, like coming at a commercial, there's always like a couple teammates around him. He always seems like he's in the middle of some story and he's just, he's got that swagger to him, that QB's need. I was thinking, who has it better in the NFL right now than Jada Daniels? Because he's playing well. His team loves him. He's, he's obviously good. He's proving it, but he's doing it for this fan base that is probably the most grateful fan base of all the 32 fan bases to have a good quarterback. Is there any other fan base. That would be like, I can't believe this is happening for us. Like, I have multiple Washington fans in my life, including two that came on the pod last week. And both of them, it's like watching people being afraid to talk during a no hitter about how well the pitcher's doing. Like, they just can't get over it. What other team would have this dynamic? I get? Cause somebody would say, like, the Bears. The Bears, them, never a quarterback, but the Bears.

What I would say, that's the only.

One I would say the Bears fans are like, we're never, I mean, they, it's like even if they had a quarterback, they'd be like, this is going to go bad. Like, they would, they would just assume Daniel got hurt. But the Washington fans, they've actually had some Super Bowls and some success and with, with good quarterbacks and, and a.

New owner, and they can convince themselves that right, like, this is, the ship is about to be righted. So, yeah, he is in a very good spot. I hope he doesn't screw it up.

I really could be a legend in Washington, right?

Yeah.

This could be like the guy in the Washington. David Chang.

Yeah.

Yeah. Well, chain Chang left Pasadena. Yeah, he's in Pasadena. He doesn't care.

Jane, Dan is going to end up in Pasadena. You'll see.

Well, the Eagles, the Eagles got slaughtered today and that means NFC east division is looking like this. Philly is even odds. Dallas is plus 220 and Washington is plus 310.

Wow.

And that makes no sense to me whatsoever. Why would, why is Philly even odds and Washington's plus 310? How does that make sense? They have the same number of wins, don't they? They both have two losses.

Philly has Philly both two and two. Yeah. Yep.

They're both two and two and one team. The one team got it, looked awesome and killed the Cardinals. Granted, the Cardinals might not be good. The other team has missing both receivers. Lane Johnson was hurt. Their quarterback has seven turnovers this year. He's had 27 since last season, which leads the league. They gave up 29 1st downs today to Baker Mayfield. This is the second time he's kicked their ass in nine months. They're heading into a bye week and I wouldn't be surprised if they fired their coach tomorrow. So why would they be the favorites in the NFC?

So you would have them bolted around like 160 plus 160.

I would have all three of them. Yeah. Between -150 -190 something like that. I wouldn't have anybody odds like that. Who's betting Philly right now? Who's like, hey, I just put five grand on Philly, on Fanduel.

Nah, nobody. This is all based on who's traditionally there in December, who's left, right. And I think also people need to see the commander's defense a little more. Otherwise it is just going to be a. Is just going to be, you know, back and forth.

Well, can I give you their next five games? Cause this is where it gets super interesting.

Washington or Philly?

Washington. Why?

I know they have a night game against Philly. Yeah.

Next week they're home for Cleveland. Austin Gale had a, had a tweet about how Cleveland's first four weeks are the worst four weeks offensively. EPA in the history of the franchise since they moved back. Think about how many awful quarterbacks they've had. This is the nadir of Cleveland offense. So they play them in week five, they're at Baltimore. In week six, home Carolina week seven, home Chicago week eight. And they're at the Giants, week nine. You could argue that they're going to win four of those next five. They might be favored in four of the next five. Right?

Yeah.

Everything but that Baltimore game.

Well, and that's going to be a fun one, right? I mean, that's regional rights there. Right there. That's for turf. Yeah. I mean. I mean, listen, when you. The guy, he's been being compared to being compared to Peyton Manning, Jaden Daniels is, and that offense is being compared to your team with like two points a drive or whatever, it ends up being just insanity. What we're seeing out of that on.

Paper made sense in the summer, and I couldn't get there, but they had a bunch of draft picks. Like, the recipe is a little like what happened with Houston last year, where you bring in a quarterback who changes it right away, you bring in a new coach who's replacing a terrible coach. That happened. You have a bunch of draft picks that it's really hard to tell who's going to be good and not good, but sometimes a draft class can just be really good, and some things that you think aren't going to happen actually end up happening. So they fit a lot of their criteria. But I don't, I see the guys on defense, and I don't really totally understand how they're getting stops. Like, Arizona got outscored 42 to seven after this first touchdown. That doesn't make sense. And they were throttling them. Like, they, they shut down Harrison. They were in. They, they rushed Murray the right way. Like they never was comfortable. He was never kind of running around and. And they never really got momentum.

And listen, Daniels is, I mean, 26 or 30. You're not going to do much better than that. But they had 216 on the ground, right? Like, Brian Robinson's a stud now, right by the. Yeah.

Yeah.

No, Eckler, he's out of, you know, Terry McLaren is someone you could start in fantasy now.

Right. Well, hedge texted this to us. The Mayfield Darnold Allen Lamar class is suddenly historic. The 2018 QB class.

Yeah.

All those guys won. Three of those guys won today.

Jury's out on Josh Rosen, though, right?

So turns out Josh Rosen maybe kept it from being historic, but that's another weird thing, is Baker was flinging the ball all over the place with the. And now that, now that Godwin looks like Godwin again, it just felt like they had receivers open the whole game. So, anyway, the Eagles look like they're in real trouble.

I like that. We're talking about. We're talking up good quarterbacks, right? Lamar and Jaden Daniels and Baker, who, and I know they all can't be good, but I was going to say to you, like, when Baker is on and you kind of know early, does anyone really look better than him when.

He'S on, like seven and ten yards? Yeah, he looks like 2014 Brady. He's just like, firing in Evans or Godwin or whoever.

Yeah, right in the perfect place. Now, I know all these quarterbacks can't be great, and they're not. So I'm sure we'll get to the rest.

I wonder, maybe there's, maybe there's just certain teams that have to be an underdog. Like, Arizona was like, whoa, we're laying three and a half. Like, this is a lot of pressure, guys. I don't know.

I'm not ready for this.

Yeah, but, like, if they're, if they're getting eight and a half in Detroit, suddenly that chips off their shoulder. Yet I hate that I'm going to say this. I think the NFC south might be better than the NFC east. I thought the NFC south was going to be the worst division. They're not bad, man. All three of those, those teams can at least hang New Orleans as offense look way better today. Tampa's offense has looked good in three of the four games. Like, they can move the ball. Carolina obviously isn't good, but it's not the dumpster fire that I thought it was going to be. So that might, I might admit defeat on that call.

Can I just say that, like, I look at that, I'm so glad I don't have a bet on one of those teams to win it. And right now it would be Tampa. But I can't get close to that. They have a Thursday night game coming up. But with that New Orleans Atlanta game, first of all, was that wasn't an inevitable that New Orleans was going to lose by two, getting two and a half like we should. We could have told everyone that. Why don't we tell everyone that?

Well, it was one and a half all week and then ended, which is.

Going to definitely fall on the margin there. But then if you're trying to pick a winner after like an hour, you're like, all right. Atlanta has points because their special teams got lucky and New Orleans is points because Taysom Hill is able to score by the goal line and he's nowhere to be found now. So he's hurt. So good luck trying to figure those teams out. Yeah.

Yeah. Atlanta wins the game. They get touchdowns from their defense, interception return. They get a muff punt. Touchdown.

Terrible punt returns today. Terrible decisions.

And they get a 58 yard field goal to win it. Their offense scored one touchdown.

Right.

I don't know what to tell you. The Saints, when they have taste some hill, they look like the most unstoppable offense in the league. It's like the 2024 tush push. They didn't have them last week. They couldn't score. They didn't have them for the last three quarters today. They couldn't do anything.

They're lost by the five yard line. They are like cars. Better from the, like the 22 or something. Not great, but better.

Yeah, but they did go down the field and get the go ahead touchdown with like what, two minutes left? I forget there's so much going on today. But they did get the go ahead and then Atlanta was able to put together enough. I, I don't know what's going on with Atlanta's offense. Like, I don't think Pitts had a catch today. No, I think he got a zero. And Bijan three broke one long play and it got called back. But it's same thing. Like, he hasn't been that good either.

So Bijon breeze Hall, you gotta draft them three and four. You're crazy if you don't draft them third and fourth or 2nd.

$6.

Yeah. Got to do it.

Well, we had, in that guillotine league I mentioned, we had the first pick and it was either take McCaffrey and hope he's not really that hurt. Well, obviously that would have been awful. Take Breeze hall, who we took. He's been bad or take Bijon. That wouldn't have worked out either who we were supposed to take. What was the right move? Justice Hill.

Jefferson's quarterback is Sam Donald.

Can't do that. Or if you're going to go receiver, you'll be like, well, we'll take Tyreek. Tyreek lost his quarterback in a game and a half, right?

So fantasy sucks. No matter what you call it. Guillotines. Whatever you want to do.

I actually the. In our knockout league, I'm going to go own four. This is really. There's not a lot of room for me to get better either. Like, this is might be a loss season.

Can you pick up Flacco? That's what the two quarterbacks.

That.

That's the largemon league.

No, this is the knockout.

Oh, yeah. I got.

I have Prescott, I have Kenneth Walker, who got hurt after week one. I have ETN, who's back. ETN was just not wearing shoulder pads during the first half of the game today. Whatever the fuck is going on, tough guy. I have Shaheed, who you kind of have to start every week, but he just might go three for 20 and then the week you don't start, I mean, as an 80 yard touchdown. DJ Moore, who's trapped in that weird Bears offense. Garrett Wilson, one of the most disappointing guys in the world.

Gotta pick him fifth.

You have to Brock Bowers, 1219 receiving yesterday. Boswell and the Steelers. The Caleb Williams on the bench. I have Jerome Ford and Nick Chubb. I have Cooper cup who lasted a week. I have Juwan Jennings, who was on my bench. I'm owing for. I don't think I've ever been for.

Run the table, go on the go win list and see if you can get kicked out.

I actually have for you the the fantasy football panic. All pros after week four. Nice running backs. Breece Bijan and Etienne, I think are the three you might want to put a chan, but we'll see tomorrow. He might actually be good. Garrett Wilson has been, I think, the single most disappointing receiver. Right. He was going for 40 plus bucks in these auctions.

Yeah, well, I went closer. I mean, what do you think?

At least one good.

I know it's not his fault. Yeah. Okay.

Laporta and Pitts, co winners for tight end.

Yep. Although, I mean, Mark Andrews is just hilarious.

That's another Mahomes.

Yeah.

My homes was being treated like he was not only QB one, but the guy. You know, in one of our auctions, somebody spent like $27 on him.

Yeah, he's not. He has not been an elite fantasy quarterback in quite some time now and definitely not this year. And I mean, wait, let me know when you're ready to talk about that game. And, well, we could just talk about is it worth it? Should he be plus 230 for MVP? Because I guess if he brings this team that's just constantly injured to any sort of championship game or the playoffs, I guess that in itself should he should be eligible for a top three or so, but. Plus 230.

Come on, let's hold. Chiefs chargers until after the break. I have one cowboys. I want. I have one cowboys question for you. So Lawrence is out for how long?

It's off six to eight weeks.

How long is Parsons out?

That's more of a weekly thing. Probably one to three. And I know the schedule is not good. Coming up. Steelers Lions 49.

You have week five at Pittsburgh. Week six, Detroit, bye week at San Francisco, at Atlanta. This was, I bolded this as the single hardest part of your schedule, basically, and this is when those two guys got hurt.

I'm looking way ahead and this is the best I could do. And I know you're like, you're taking drugs. Taking drugs for sure, but I think we got to be like five and five after ten. I think I have to look at it like that and not like, oh, boy, two and two and five is not going to be no way they're coming back because there's a chance Washington fall off and I don't love what I'm seeing out of Philadelphia. And none of these teams have played each other yet. That's the best I could do. Simmons. I don't know. We're not very good. We could have lost that giant game. Anybody else? Daniel Jones. It was really bad.

You really could have lost the Giants game. It was a weird Thursday nighter, but. All right, time for a new segment. It's called who's delivering? It's presented by Uber Eats, where we break down the NFL players who have delivered so far this season from household names to out of nowhere surprises. So we talked about Jaden Daniels already, who's been the shiny new toy star of the 2024 season. We talked about Juwan Jennings, who's been the out of nowhere. I picked him up week one or week two in my fab auction, and now he's starting for me. Who else would you have as the people who have delivered Derek Henry's got to be up there, right?

Henry for sure. For sure. Can I pick a name that you wouldn't take in the first two rounds of fantasy but is delivered Bucky Irving for Tampa Bay. We talk about, like, you add him to your roster, he might be the best Oregon duck that was drafted this year. Bonix came back and won and everything, but I think he's fun. He had a touchdown, called back like a man. They gave it to him. He had a. I don't have his stats handy because I wasn't ready. And it's. It's ironic that this Uber eats. I think there's one thing I spend more money on than gambling, it's uber eats. So congratulations to me and Bucky Irving.

Bucky Irving's one of those names that easily could have been a PGA golfer, right?

Yeah.

Bucky Irving's up two strokes heading into day four, the PGA. He could have been an NASCAR driver. I feel like. What. What position in baseball would he have been?

Bucky Irving, shortstop, maybe. I'm thinking Bucky Dent. Probably a reliever that stuck in my head. Yeah.

Like a catcher.

Buck Irving would be a catcher. Yeah. Buck.

Could he have been a boxer? Bucky Irving?

Yeah. Lighter weight. Lighter weight boxer. Yeah.

And an old announcer. I think he could have been. It's like, oh, man, Bucky Irving's doing the game today.

I can't believe he's been doing football. And Uber eats delivery driver.

He could have been. That was. That was. Who's delivering? Presented by Uber Eats get almost. Almost anything for game day. Only on Uber Eats, the official on demand delivery partner of the NFL. Order. Now we're gonna take a quick break and then come back. Okay. You wanted to talk Chiefs? I have Chiefs. Chiefs beat the Chargers 1710. They upheld their part of the tease with the Bills that we all did. And then the Bills said, you're stupid. You shouldn't do teases. And they stuck it to us. The big story. Rashid Rice looks like he's out for the year. That's the buzz we're taping this Sunday night. If he got it turned out it's an MCL. But they seem to think it was a torn ACL. It was pretty grim. So they've lost Hollywood Brown, seems like for the year. They've lost Rashid Rice definitely for the year, right as he was emerging as really not the best receiver Mahomes has had, but that definitely the best receiver on this team. They also missing Pacheco for half the season. So this game today, they end up beating the Chargers that come back from ten nothing. They're down to.

They have rookie receiver worthy, they have zombie Kelsey and three wave guys that are out there. Smith Schuster. The Pats waved Kareem Hunt was just on the bargain basement for. For weeks. And then. Who's the other one? There was one. The, uh, uh.

The other. Confused with who? They.

Schuster. I'm blanking. Anyway, there were three. There was another guy they picked up.

Watson. Justin. Justin Watson.

No, I blanked.

Sky Moore. They didn't even throw to him. I don't know.

Maybe there's two. Kareem Hunt. Oh, P. Ryan.

Oh, yeah. Well, he's a running back, right? Yeah.

Yeah, but those were. Those were the running backs. Two guys that were on the waiver.

Where.

So somehow it didn't matter. So they're four now, and they've scored less points every single week. 27 the first week. 26, 20, 217. I wonder if that's the first time that's ever happened.

It's insanity. It's an astounding 40. They have ten wins by 61 points. They've won ten straight by 61. That is very, very hard to do because one of those wins. You're laughing. One of those wins has to be by 20, just by accident, you know, get sloppy. It's not the case.

They haven't lost that dumb Raiders game.

That was it. Yeah. And ten included Christmas Eve. Yeah, one of the. And they're twelve. And, oh, when they're down by exactly ten points, like, they're like. I don't know if he's bored Mahomes. Like, maybe he's bored with winning. It's like when a. Like a power lifter does, like, squats with a woman on his shoulders and the weight.

Andre was wrestling three guys.

Yeah. Like a handicap.

Three guys. I'll be to all of them. Yeah.

For five minutes.

Like, three guys off the waiver wire. Kelsey, don't break a sweat. And just give me that rookie. It doesn't know our plays yet. Let's see if we can beat the Chargers.

Yeah. Joey Chestnut's adding relish to the hot dogs because it's. Everything's just too easy. But it got me thinking. I asked you. You like it? You, I think you have answers for this. Is anyone in the history of sports better at winning close games than the Chiefs have been for the last few years? And it's not a knock on your patriots. Cause I don't think they fit this description. They. They had a bunch of blowouts in there. I know their first few Super Bowls were close, but this is a long time where the Chiefs and a lot of people point to the refs to help them out, and maybe they do sometimes, but this. This team knows how to win ugly. And they do it all the fricking time. I don't even know if there's a comp for this.

In any sport that started this week with that Derwin James suspension, people are like, oh, of course he got suspended. He's putting a.

The chief.

Got to get him out of there. Got to help out the Chiefs. Well, you said the history, so you're framing. It's a little get up y, but I like it. It's a little Mike Greenberg historical hyperbole.

Oh, sorry. Mike Greenberg. Mike texted me. Mike texted me. He's like, run this by Simmons. So you busted me. Yeah.

This is historical hyperbole with Mike Greenberg here, and get up. I'm here with Ryan Clark. No, but when I think of, like, the. You're basically the teams that just pull wins out of awful announcing.

Simmons take shot at Mike Greenberg. Here we go.

Rips. Simmons rips. Mike Greenberg devours tears into cannibals I hated for years. Yeah. Do those blogs have, like, nine verbs that they use for that?

That's. It. Annihilates.

But. But the historical thing, I was thinking.

You were gonna have a basketball team from 1981 or something.

No, no, that 96 to, like, zero one Yankees team was like that for me.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Where it was like, fuck, it's three three. They're gonna win. It's like three three in the 8th, and God damn, we're gonna lose. So that's like. I think the Pats got there in the 0304 run when they won the 26th straight. Like, they won. If you go back, they won. All those games were close somehow. They had no blowouts. Even in the really, your division games.

There was a lot of the jets and stuff.

Yeah, no, there was like, no, I'm talking 0304. Like, they, like some of the Colts games, they had that goal line stand against the Colts. That was a great win. The Eagles, the second Eagles, the Super bowl, the Panthers Super bowl. All those games were close. They just figured out how to. How to win at the end. So I had them. And I was thinking, tiger was like that, too, though. That was the other one.

I was thinking Scheffler and Tiger, but that he would run away with some of these tournaments, too. I mean, he's a winner for sure. I was thinking maybe there's a boxer. I started looking up most holy decision winners.

He used to always sneak those out.

Manny had a bunch. Pacquiao. Jermaine Taylor had a few split decisions. Sugar Ray. And then I stopped looking. I was like, I'm not going to have an Uber. Eats like, too big of a rabbit hole. Yeah, I can't do this. Yeah.

So, yeah. Yank is the Brady. Brady hit that point probably somewhere in the early 2010s.

No, basketball. I'm giving you a layup. No pun intended. Basketball.

Jordan was like, I mean, Jordan was like this for the entire nineties. Like, if close series.

Every series.

No, but if it was a close game, you just felt like he was going to pull it out. You go back and you look at, like, the UT, the Utah games at 97 and 98. Like, all those games were close. The 91 finals felt like anytime it was close, he was just going to get it done. But the weird thing about Mahomes is they're less impressive than some of these other ones because I lead these Chiefs camps, I'm like, oh, my. How the fuck did they, how did they do that? They beat Baltimore because Isaiah likely's foot was on the line by two inches. Right?

Yeah.

That's not just them. How they pull it out, kind of where the Yankees were for a while, we're like, oh, my God, they. That line drive right to the third baseman, he scorched it. How did, like, how does that always work out for them?

Little voodoo involved. Did I say he has three first quarter picks in a row and they're still four? No, that's all.

Today was bad.

Yeah.

Didn't you think? Yeah.

He's doing it on purpose. He's challenging himself.

Well, one thing we got to give him credit for is their defenses has shown the ability over and over again. You get stops in the second half of these games, which they did today. Now they're doing against the Chargers, that in the last two and a half games, the Chargers scored 26 points and they were missing both of their tackles. They came out hot. They ran all their gimmicks and all their stuff they needed to do. But then once the game settled down, they couldn't really move the ball. And Herbert, who's been hit as hard as anybody in the league this season, it feels like, especially the last two games, and, you know, he kept standing in there. The Chiefs feel gettable this year, though, this would be the most, if they win this one, this would be because they're at the point that they usually are in December, January, when we're ready to talk ourselves out of them. I'm, I'm there now with them. I have no idea how they're for now and what are they going to do with receivers?

I know, but then, then, but like, so what is my answer. So what? What if they go ten and seven? But they showed they could do it on the road last year, so now, now we have nowhere to turn at all with this team.

Well, they bench Carson Steele lasted a series. He fumbled two straight game, so we'll never see him again. They're relying on Kareem Hunt, who really hasn't had a notable football moment in a couple of years, and p Ryan, and that's, I guess, going to be their running game till Pacheco comes back. They're going to need to lean on Kelsey in the first part of the season, which I don't think they want to do because he's old. And then I don't know where they get their explosive plays from except for worthy. Well, so maybe they do try to trade.

Okay, so their defense isn't as good as the Steelers, but it's, it's 80% right, 85% if you see what they're holding. So. And their quarterback is much better than the Steelers. I don't even care what kind of weapons he has. So I don't know. January is a different story, but don't count this team out of play. No way. I don't care what kind of injuries they have as long as we both.

Have them in the AFC title game.

Oh, that's right. Yeah. Can I change that one thing that's.

Going to help them as their division?

Sure. Yeah.

Chargers, Raiders, Denver, you're going against Minshew and O'Connell. You're going against Bo Nicks with 60 yards passing today. And you go against this Chargers team, you already beat them once, so you just need to beat them one more time. So they might go six no. In their division and then they would have to go, what, six and four against everybody else and they already had a couple of wins. You mentioned Falcon Saints, so I guess we talked about them. We talked about Vikings, packers. We did not talk about Broncos, Jets. I did not have that on tv. Did you watch that game? I sacrificed that. There are too many good games.

I have a separate tv that can only show the national game for some reason. That was the national game. I don't know why, but. So, yeah, it was rain and quarterback was shaky, very beatable quarterback with negative passing yards well into the third quarter. And Robert Salas said, I could do this, I could do this, I could blow it. We were making fun of like Courtland Sutton had seven more yards in Bo Nicks, like in the third quarter. How the f, did the jets lose this game?

The Rogers game was I put it on for the. I watched last quarter and a half. Cause switched tvs around. They had, they had, they had third and five. All they needed was the first down to get closer and they were gonna kick a field goal and win the game. But they couldn't complete the third and five, and it was over and over again. It seemed like they could either pressure Rogers or his throws were a little off or he made the decision even before the ball was snapped. I'm taking two steps. I'm throwing it down the sideline of so and so. But I didn't think he was moving that well. And then he admitted after the game that his legs weren't good. It's not. When you think about, like, some of the guys we watched today and how Rogers used to move like purdy, right? And he used to move like Jada Daniels. He never moved like that. But he would always be able to buy time like some of these great guys. And he doesn't seem like he can do that anymore. So I don't know if he's hurt or old. Aaron Rodgers hurt or old.

That's next.

Oh, that's good. That's good. Awful. Announcing he's going to promote that, I think maybe. Yeah. And we see him running around the rain for years. Right. And love it.

He was, loved the game. Like the game today. He would have had four touchdowns.

He just looked like a broken down man waiting for a train today. And I don't think a lot of it was his fault because he got pounded to that defense, showed up for Denver. But, but also that you can't beat the fact that I text you every Sunday morning, I said, the sucker tease, you in house and hench, it's jets, chiefs. And so that that's such a strong force to overcome that no one is able to do it. And I don't even have to ask a lot of people who. I have to ask like three people what the sucker tease is. I don't need like Fanduel does. Thousands of people betting money is here. No, only three people. Tell me what the sucker tease annihilates the Sucroteees.

The Jets had five sacks, ten penalties, and they were four for 17 on third down.

Yeah.

Nine points total. We have not seen their offense look good for even two straight quarters. And now we're heading into October. And that as a Bruce hall fantasy owner, it's not only that it's going badly, but it seems like the backup is kind of taking his job a little bit and is running the ball better than he is this 20 year old? They put him in. It seems like they actually put him in when they want to win the game, and that's more concerning than ever. I was. I was wondering, like, if this was basketball, we'd be like, is Bruce hall available? Could you see Breeze hall get traded? But we don't have football trades.

You know, I think, like, the worst thing about this is it's another team we can't really bet on. Right? If you can't beat them. The Broncos at home when their quarterback has negative yards well into the third quarter, who the hell is an easy pick for them? I thought everyone got a little crazy with the win over the Patriots. All right, that was one of the worst teams on a three day rest. They didn't look that great. The jets against Tennessee. Let's wait a second. We didn't have to wait. Wait much longer than a second. It was ten days later.

So they scored 19 against San Francisco. They scored 24 against Tennessee. And I think they got some sort of defensive touchdown in that game. Right? They scored 24 against the Pats, and they scored nine against Denver with Bruce hall and with Garrett Wilson. I was expecting a more explosive jets team.

Yeah.

And I don't really fully understand it. Those guys were almost probably more fun to watch last year when they had the worst quarterbacks of all time. This is amazing. Imagine this guy, these guys, if they had a good quarterback, and now we're seeing them with, you know, a guy used to be a good quarterback, and it's not going that great. So Denver annihilating.

Are you annihilating Aaron Rodgers right now? I feel like you're annihilating him, or are you pulverizing him?

Pulverize.

What are you doing?

What are some of the other words?

You fornicating? What are you doing? Aaron Rogers.

I fornicated Aaron Rogers. Oh. Texans. Jaguars. We got to talk about the Jaguars again? Although maybe should I just have them edit in last week's Jaguars conversation?

Yeah, no shit.

So the Texans win 24 20. Classic Jags. They're up 2017 in the third quarter, and it actually looks like they're going to win. Texans just look a little discombobulated, the Jags. They've missed two long touchdowns because Lawrence miss Kirk. He missed Brian Thomas, and they're still winning. And Lawrence just every game, he's just going to miss somebody for a 50 yard touchdown. First and goal from the four. They get stopped on downs. They try to run the QB draw on fourth down with Lawrence. That. Yeah, I got to say works 97% of the time at all levels of professional football. They, they try it with Lawrence, and two guys are right there, and one guy does, like, the Roman Reigns spear and just kills them. So they lose the ball and downs in the fourth quarter. Punt, punt. And then Houston has a 69 yard drive in the last three minutes to win the game in Jacksonville. Loses again their own four. And honestly, I watched all four of the games, and they could have won three.

Yeah, I know it. This was my upset special. It was my upset special last week against Buffalo, too. I think they did. They scored right. They went ahead for a second 20, 717.

They had the ball first to go from the four up three.

Son of bitch. I just. I don't know what to think anymore, I guess. This is Houston's division for sure. These south divisions, I swear, I'm so glad I'm not locked into a team. It's like watching a slap fight. Like, I don't want any part of this crap. I really don't. I'm just glad I'm not one of these guys. Isn't me with the powder flying everywhere. But, I mean, Doug Peterson, do you give him one more game? Because now you're closing in on ten straight losses. Like, the Colts would be ten losses if they had did this. Like, do you, if you're Doug Peterson, do you get your passport renewed for London or. Don't even bother.

Yes. So when is, when are the London games? Well, there's one this week.

There's one this week, but don't they.

Have two in a row? Yeah, they have. No, they have, like, our home for.

Next six or something. Yeah.

Home for Indianapolis, then Chicago and the Pats in London.

Yeah.

Week six, week seven.

Right.

So does he get on the plane?

Not if he loses to the Colts. I'm calling it out, Bill. He loses cold. He's just stay home.

Cousin Sal eviscerates Doug Peterson.

Cousin Sal gnaws on. Doug Peterson. Destroyed.

Doug Peterson destroyed by Cousin Sal. Next. Stroud threw for 345 yards. So I'm feeling, like, back in on my passing titles bet.

I didn't realize it was that big.

Yeah. With that said, something is off with the Texans, and I don't really know what it is.

Yeah.

It's like they can't just put together an hour of good offensive football. They could do little spurts. There's flashes. It just looks a little discombobulated. Sometimes it looks like they can't block. I know they've had some injuries on their offense.

Didn't you go over. I think you, like, you dissected last year, every team and how many were good wins and how many were close wins and how many they kind of won ugly last year. Like, he was great stroud.

Easy schedule.

Yeah, but they. This is kind of how they did it, you know? And then they came alive in the playoffs a little too well.

The Jags, for the season, they've had 44 3rd downs. Do you want to guess how many they've gotten? 44.

Oh, 44.

Chances to convert down.

Negative four. No, I don't. I'll say 1611. Is it eleven?

Yeah, or eleven for 44 on third down. Today in our keeper league, where we start two quarterbacks, I started Andy Dalton over Trevor Lawrence. That's how far he'd sunk before the year. I bet on him to have 4000 passing yards today. I started indie Dalton over him, and it was the right move. He had more fantasy points in there last.

Didn't he used to take off more? Didn't he used to run more? He had like three runs, and one of them, I don't even think any were designed yet, three runs for five yards.

One thing I noticed with him, his passes, like sail. Yeah, everybody, they're either just flying over somebody's head or somebody's jumping up to catch them. They're never. They're never, like, here or never here. They're always, like, above. But. And I also thought, like, it seems like he should be a better athlete than he is. He's like a little closer to Drew Bledsoe than maybe it seems like he should be. Cause he seems athletic, but I'm not. I'm not positive.

And also, what's with the hair?

Get that shit cut. Maybe that should be what he does is just crew cut it to show that his side, that he's worked for.

Joe Burrow until he won after a month.

Only Owen 14 to make the playoffs. There's only been one ever.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

The New York Giants.

No, but it does seem like something that Eli Manning would have been the only person to do, right?

Yeah.

Like today, Bo Nicks had that 60 yards and a win. It was like the last person to have that low yards was Eli Manning in 2007. He won a game throwing 59 yards.

Mike.

Of course. Whatever. The worst thing a quarterback can do and somehow get a win, Eli probably has it. Bill Simmons eviscerates Eli, man.

It's more eviscerating.

My God, eviscerating everybody. So it was, it was the 1992 San Diego Chargers.

Hmm.

Coached by Bobby Ross. They started out on four. They finished eleven and five, Marion Butts was their best running back. The great Stan Humphries, the quarterback. And let's see who they had for Anthony Miller. Did you have him in fantasy that year?

Yeah. Yeah. 81. Yeah. Number 81. Yeah.

And a young Sean Jefferson.

Wait, hold on now I can. This is driving me crazy. But what was, what was the nickname for Marion? But what was Boomers nickname for Marion Butts? What the hell was it?

Marion smoke too many butts.

Someone, if someone's on YouTube, Marion. I like big butts. What was it?

I don't know.

Oh, I gotta look. I know he would do sound, he would do a lot of sound effects.

But I will say for the, for the younger people listening, the old days were really fun betting against bad quarterbacks where you'd be like, oh, man, I can't wait to bet against Stan Humphries. And you just knew he would suck. Now it's like, I never know what quarterbacks, we don't have reliable sucky quarterbacks anymore. Maybe we have will Levis.

You know what, I apologize for the distraction there. I was confusing him with natron means. Because natron means business.

Oh, that was a good one. Yeah, I love that one. The best one ever was Eric sleeping with b enemy. Eric sleeping with b enemy.

Yeah.

Okay. Colt Steelers is the last one we got to talk about. This was an everything goes wrong for Pittsburgh game, and they almost won. And you knew right away it was like, oh, it's going to be one of these games. Richardson just chucks it up, 40 yard pass to start the game. It's like, oh, here we go. And then the.

You heard this million dollar. You loved it, right? You weren't scared by the two and a half. Like I said, the rat. This was the rattiest of rats, I think the Steelers line is almost always.

I wanted the Pittsburgh d against Richardson and he lasted half a quarter, and then all of a sudden Joe Flacco was in. I didn't want to bet against Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco is terrifying.

He's so good.

They had donut, they were eight, eight for 15 on third down, and in the down the stretch when they're trying to get stops, Flacco hit two, third and tens. But the reality is Fitzpatrick, worst call of the day. He's running over to break up a pass. It's over the guy's head and he's running full speed. Can't really stop, holds up, hits the guy. They call it late hit anyway, keeps it driving.

They got to stop with that.

And then fields, somehow the Steelers get it. They're down three, they have the ball, three minutes left, they're on like the 40, we're like, holy shit, they're going to fucking tie this and win an overtime. The Steelers could be four and oh, baby, let's go. And then fields, I forgot he hadn't had it yet. His weekly. I had no idea the shotgun snap was coming. And he's looking over and the ball hits him in the side of the head, which he tries to do once a game. And I actually like fields and enjoy, enjoy watching him and enjoy rooting for him, but for some reason that happens once a game. And of course it happened there. And now it's 2nd 22 and they end up. That was it.

But, and then the fumble, I mean, it was an inexplicable fumble, right? He was like down and then somehow got back to all fours and then the guy was going to get around.

It was a dumb, I don't think that Colts seems good. One thing I will say with them, those downs came back and made a couple of big plays for them. Their slot receiver, who they missed for the first couple of weeks, but I thought, and Pittman got going and it seems like their receivers fell into place.

Yeah, I just, when I was looking at all the, you do, we do the pre game show and everything and I think like house or somebody said had like Richardson over 14 and a half completion. I'm like 14 and a half completions. What the, what is the Steelers. This should be so easy. Why, why is this two and a half? And sure enough, we figured out why it was two and a half. Just so weird. I guess just some weeks the defense isn't going to travel. I hope next week's one of them.

Bears beat the Rams 20 418. Not a lot to say about that game.

Yeah.

49 ers beat the Pats. Bengals beat the Panthers since his first win. Whatever. Raiders beat the Browns. Two teams that will not be playing in week 19. Cleveland is down. Cleveland's eleven for 53 and third down.

Jesus, those are jaggers.

It's like impossible.

Yeah. And he wasn't even awful. Like historically awful. I'm like, oh, he's 21 for 25. At one point I looked, Watson was 21 for 25 and like 134 yards. I'm like 21 for 25. Used to put you like, to 240. I just have to get used to seeing it at 135. But all week, me, you and house are like, we gotta take, we gotta take the Raiders and like, all right, I'll, I'll see your Max Crosby Devontae Adams injury and raise you the entire Browns offensive line sitting out. So this was a stay away of all stay aways.

I want million dollar picks. I really kind of wanted to take the Raiders house, talked me out of it and I wanted to take the Bears house, talk me out of that. And I like the Broncos and we both talked ourselves out of that. But next week I'm just taking, I'm picking five games and that's it. We're going to guess the lines. We're going to take a break. And then I have one other important question before we do guest alliance, but let's take a break for the podcast. All right. Off that Niners Pats game. So I watched the Pats game with nephew Kyle and we're just, we're just so ready for Drake May and I know it's wrong and I know putting a young quarterback behind a line that isn't that great probably isn't a good idea. But Brissette's so bad and he seems like a great guy. Supposedly he's going to be a coach someday, but he can't move. He can't throw the ball deep. And I actually think the game was pretty winnable today. If they'd had a quarterback, like, if they had Flacco, I actually think that game would have come down like the final two minutes.

If they had a quarterback who was young and could move around, there was ways to do that. But Brissette's so freaking slow. He can't. And we're watching it going, man, is it worth it just throwing Drake out for the second half because maybe he can create some stuff with his legs and that it's this big divisive thing with Patriots fans now because other Pats fans are like, and I was like this four or five weeks ago. It's like, it's not worth it. You don't want to get, you don't want to have a Zach Wilson situation. You don't want to put unnecessary miles on him. But I'm watching these games thinking like, it's probably better for him to be out there and make like Caleb is under duress the whole time, too. And I feel like he's getting better every week. I think he should play next week against Miami. I want to see him play next week against Miami is my point.

Well, this is what you said, right? Didn't we say can't throw them at San Francisco, especially after the 49 ers loss? You weren't going to do that. The Miami, the home game for Miami was always what you kind of thought, right?

Well, here's what's changed. The Pats are awful. Oh, they're the. They're the worst team in the league.

More eviscerating. So sad.

They're the worst team in the league. Who's, who's worse than the worst team? Yeah. Who's worse? Who's worse?

Oh, man.

They.

I mean, you said, you said he can't move and he can't throw downfield. Like, that puts him in the top 20. Right.

Right away, we have 46 points. 46 points in four games. And that includes sly hitting a 63 yard field goal today, because apparently everybody can do that now. Tom Dempsey did it when we were kids, and that became like an NFL film, things about it, and I felt like I knew Tom Dempsey. And now it happens every two weeks. But we have 46 points of four games and we've scored four touchdowns. And our defense isn't very good either.

Tennessee is very bad. Cleveland's very bad.

Um, I think we're worse than.

Go on. Really? All those teams, huh? Carolina.

Kyle took his jersey off today. He didn't want to in the second quarter. It just whipped it. Whipped it off. Yeah.

Kyle, did you have anything underneath at least?

No, he was. He had shirt underneath. I was. When I saw it coming off, I was like, oh, my God, it's going to be like when I go into a Raiders game, guys are just shirtless. But he had to start fighting now. They're terrible. They're terrible. And I. And a lot of it has to do with, you know, some of the draft classes Belichick had. And a lot of it has to do with the fact that they didn't spend money in the free age scene. Tried to get a couple blue chippers, pink chippers, red chippers, any chippers.

So is that the outlier? You said it was Baltimore, Las Vegas? Is it Cincinnati, New England?

I would say yes. Except doesn't Cincinnati lose in week one every, every year? So can it be an outlier if they're just destined to lose every year?

That's a good point. That's a good point. I'm just trying to think of who, how many wins each team ends up with. Is there, is there greater discrepancy than the other game? Raiders, Ravens.

Kyle, can you. Come on? You're going to lose the YouTube live.

Kyle, get in there. If he puts a shirt on. Yeah, I can. Yeah.

Yes.

Yeah.

Kyle, you want to see Drake May, right?

Yeah.

Fuck it. I mean, sorry, this is live.

Yeah.

Oh, we've sworn before in the lab.

Yeah.

Kyle wants hope. He just wants the four or five Drake may plays where he created something with his legs. He threw it downfield. Brissette can't throw it downfield. It's like, surprising when he throws it downfield. He's just not a starting quarterback again. Seems like a sweetheart of a guy, but I don't think he's a starting quarterback.

I'm with it. I just, it's just so funny because there are a lot of quarterbacks that just don't throw downfield. There's just so many. It does. I'm not almost not fazed by it anymore.

More. Guess the lines. Week five, I'm up to one with a, with a tie.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

We have some buys this week. Yeah.

The first. Who is it? Detroit Chargers. Philly Tennessee Chargers.

Needed the buy. Tennessee might need the buy after. Well, I guess we'll find out tomorrow. And then the Eagles might be using the buy to get rid of their coach.

Ooh. How does people put that up? Why don't they put the odds up like the first coach?

Fire.

Negative. Yeah.

It's a positive company they stand for.

But you could, you could bet how many interceptions a quarterback has. What's the difference? You can bet who's going to come in last place in the beginning of the year.

I was thinking how funny it would be if Belichick just was the Eagles coach in like two days and all of his media jobs that he had, it was just like, all right, he had to leave this one and this one's out, and this one's also gone.

He still doesn't have, he does everything. He just, he keeps the jobs and coaches.

They just, or they, or they hire, like, Darryl Hammond to play Belichick and just. Yeah, he's done.

That's a pretty good Belichick.

Well, yeah, you know, CJ Stroud is just, he's just fantastic at looking downfield.

There's nobody better.

Thursday night, we're going back to Atlanta. I love that they wore the dirty bird jerseys today. Those are so, those black. I felt, I saw they were wearing those and actually ended up throwing them in a tease. Cause I got excited because of that.

Wow. Yeah.

I was like, I can't see them losing with those, but all right.

It worked.

Falcons home for the Bucks. This is good for my NFC south bet. Only one team can win.

It's gonna be a tie.

A tie would be the best. If I get a tie.

Oh, that's right.

Zero it.

Right. Right. That'd be great.

I had a lot of trouble. This one I ended up with because it's Thursday, I bumped it up a point to Falcons minus two and a half.

I had trouble too because I have no idea what they're wearing for this one. So I almost passed on it. And good cheating. You have it. Exactly. It's two and a half. I said one.

I think they're adding a point for Thursdays.

Adding one? Really? Okay.

Yeah.

So instead of one and a half point advantage, I have no idea if.

They'Re actually doing it, but I've just assumed. I think there's a home field something on Thursdays because it's four days after the last games and it's travel. Maybe Sunday marquee game. We could either go Vikings, jets or bills, Texans.

What's the. Well, you want to knock that out because that's the London game. Jets and Vikings.

Good point.

You can't start over.

So that can't be. No, that can't be. No, that can't be the Sunday marquee game because that I should have put in the London category.

Yeah, well, it could be marquee.

So Bill's Texans is the London game.

No, no.

Vikings.

Vikings, jets. Yeah. Screw me up. Yeah. Vikings.

Technically home Vikings by three.

All right. That's what I said. It's two and a half.

I wonder if that was in Minnesota. What do you think the line is?

It's got to be four or a little north of four, right? Yeah.

I would say four.

Yeah.

So here's the thing. This is where I am emotionally, as you know. I told you I wasn't going to be betting on Thursday games or games in weird countries this year. Not that London's a weird country. I actually like London. I really want to bet the Vikings in this game. After watching Rogers today and seeing how much trouble he had moving and then watching that Vikings defense, I think this is a really tough spot for him. I just think they're going to be coming at him, blitzes, all kinds of shit. Just trying to make a uncomfortable. I got to be honest, I don't think he wants to be hit anymore. And we've seen quarterbacks get to this point. Brady got to this point the last couple of years, his career where it was like you knew it was a big game because he started taking hits. Drew Brees got to that point. I don't think Rogers wants to be hit like that anymore. And there was, I thought he bailed out of some plays in the last part of the game, the quarter and a half I watched, but he was just. His process is just a little faster.

He's not waiting that extra second anymore. This Vikings team's a nightmare for him.

I'm with you. I'm taking anyone. It's the Vikings. Right. But this is the NFL, right? Like, this is where you get screwed up. And the one thing I'll say about Rodgers, if you worry about him bouncing back on three days rest, I know it was against the Patriots. You're going to go into how bad they were. But he did do it against the Pats a couple of weeks ago. But you're. But you're right. He looks like he had that look like, what the hell have I done here? Coming back. And also now he's going at it with Salah about the cadence. Salah doesn't like some of his cadences, apparently. And that, of course, got out immediately.

So good times that couldn't have gotten up faster. All right, so we'll go for the traditional Sunday marquee game. Bill's Texans. Yeah, pretty good game. Josh Allen again. CJ strap.

Good.

It's in Houston. And I have the Bills minus one and a half.

Damn it. Got it. I had bills by one. I really wanted to get that one from you, Simmons. I gotta be honest. All right, both three and one.

This is the leading candidate for the overreaction game of week five. Cause I could see the Texans doing really well. And then it's like, oh, remember when we thought, Jack, we gave Josh Allen the MVP after three games and we wrote off Houston. Now Houston's got their shit together. Or the other way where the Bills look good, and now we're concerned with Houston. The Bills are fine. The Ravens game is weird. Josh is the MVP favorite again. Something. There will be an overaction.

Well, you understand the entire middle of their defense is susceptible to anything you want to do. Any run past, circle, any part of the field in there. Good. Yeah, you're good.

One watchable ravens at Cincinnati. The Ravens are certainly going to be favored after what happened today. I have Ravens minus two and a half.

All right, I get this. I had. But exactly, actually, one and a half Ravens are favored. That's going to be my default guess, I think on a lot of. For now, on one and a half sounds good.

I actually put that down a bunch because it just seems like that's the line over and over again. Bengals home dog one of the. We're going to have a week where some of these home dogs just start crushing fairly watchables. I have to put Pat's dolphins on here because I think we're getting Drake May and that might even argue, make it a watchable Drake May's first start. Kyle noticed in the game today they were showing him on the sidelines a lot more in the first half. Yeah, they kept, like, just showing him on the headset. There he is. This could be his last time in the sidelines.

Could we call this a wearable? Like, Kyle wears his jersey for this? Is it a wearable?

I don't know if he has a Drake majority yet.

Well, just. Does he take. I mean, does he like jersey?

Oh, yeah. Drake May is playing. Kyle will have the jersey on.

Okay.

Yeah, he will. So I don't see any scenario where the Pats can be favored in this game, no matter who the quarterback is. Even though I know who the Dolphins are going to probably have Huntley. I just don't think the Pats can be favored. So I'm going to have the Dolphins by one.

You're going to get it. I mean, this is where I should have got one and a half. I said two and a half it is. Dolphins by one and a half. So you're closer.

That's another one and a half.

Four to two.

You know it's going to ruin. Guess the lines of every line is one and a half.

I could tell you if it is or isn't, but by the way, screw this up.

Our next game, I guess one and a half it is. Jaguars at home against the Colts. Jaguars own four, and somehow I think they're going to be favored. I have Jaguars by one and a half.

All right, I got this. Exactly. It's three. Jaguars are three point favorite.

That's too high.

They're clearly on the kitchen sink. He needs his passport this week. I know. It's three kitchen sinks in a row.

No, Owen. Four teams made the playoffs in 22, 32 years.

Yeah, but is it Flacco? I mean, it's looking like Flacco against Lawrence. I guess it's better for the Colts.

The Richardson hit look bad today. Cause it hit him in his hip and he went down. I was like, oh, fuck an egg. This guy got hurt again. And then he came back in and they ran a little bootleg play for him and he went down before he got hit because it seemed like this hit. So that, I don't know, I just. I didn't. That's. This would be his third injury, so.

It'S tough to watch. Let me ask you this. I was going to save this.

Yeah.

If Flacco I don't know how you feel about him with the hall of Fame not making it in your head right now, but if he takes the Colts to the playoffs, if they snuck in at like nine and eight. Yeah, I kind of think he may have my vote. I'll have to look at the class coming in and everything, but for God's sakes, fix the Browns and the cult supply.

This is the Derrick Rose argument in the NBA now. Derrick Rose won the MVP in 2011.

Yeah, I'm sorry, go ahead.

Everyone who's ever won the MVP is in the hall of Fame, and Rose has a chance to be the first guy who didn't make it. And there's, and he's not a hall of famer, but the MVP thing would make, might be able to sway it. Flacco, the run he had, which was the greatest four round run any quarterbacks had in the playoffs.

Right.

Combined with some of the other stuff, you could argue he's at least in the conversation. I mean, he had to take a better career than Eli Manning. Yeah, but Eli had those two postseasons, and he made it.

I know, I know. Take him to. Let's see what happens. Joe, come on. We're not eviscerating you. Take, take the cults of the play.

It's an anti evisceration.

Right.

49 ers are home for the Cardinals, and before the game, before the late games today, I guess 49 ers by four. And after that, I switched it to 49 ers by six and a half at home against the Cardinals.

Dirtbag. You sure you don't want to switch it back? A lot of times. Your first impression?

I don't. I missed it. Two points, which I never do.

Yeah, that was way off. And I said five at seven and a half. So you get.

Oh, Jesus.

Yeah, that's.

Well, that's. This is where, this is where the Cardinals thrive.

Yeah, right.

Like, oh, my God, we're huge underdogs. And there's a backdoor cover. Possibly great. Washington's home for the Browns. It's going to be a big Jaden Daniels fest all week. They're going to be replaying Deshaun Watson and Jameis Winston getting mad at the offensive tackle all week and talking about, what do they do? Do they have any outs? I think I squeezed this to three. Washed him by three at home against Cleveland. I wanted to go two and a half. I think it's three.

Wanted to steal this from you. I have exactly three. And it is exactly three. And really, you think it's fair because I wrote this.

Three and a half is my question.

I'm gonna stick with it. But, I mean, who's betting Cleveland here? Who's betting them? Do they score? Does Cleveland score 27 points?

So you had Cleveland in the playoffs and they're one and three.

I know. We don't have to.

And I wrote down, because they're eleven weeks. Eleven through 18 are an absolute gauntlet. And I wrote down in my notes before the year, they'd have to go four and one in their first five games. Did they make the playoffs? And they're one in three. So are you out on that?

It was close. Yeah, I think I'm out. But I would like. I would like to see Jamis. I'd like to see what they did. We talked about how admitting defeat with this dumb, signing this up with the.

Fake to save face. Just keep going.

Yeah, sure. I'm out with it. Yeah, but I'm.

The Jaguars. Jaguars was my. They're going ten and seven. They're not on them. Possible five. Disown them. You're still holding that hope on the Raiders?

I am a little bit. Yeah, just a little bit. Someone has to sneak in there.

Poop factor. Bears at home for the Panthers. So the Bears are favored by three against the depleted rams this week. And I added a half point. Made it bears minus three and a half for the Panthers.

You know, something happened here because it was three and a half kickoff of the late game tonight and it went to four and a half. I get it. I said four, okay? I swear that all this went on.

I believe you.

I don't know what happened. Is there an injury? Is there?

Maybe people realize the Panthers aren't good.

And another redhead, I have no idea.

Broncos are home for the Raiders and this is a terrible game. I hope I don't have to watch too much of it. I have the Broncos favored by one and a half.

Wow. You got it. One and a half is sweet. I went the other way. I thought the Raiders would be favored. I thought Denver would be suffering from what you said about Arizona. Like, thanks, but no thanks. We're not. We're not ready to be favored. But I guess it doesn't work like that.

I wonder, Devante Adams, does this hamstring just kind of hurt until they trade him? So one of those hamstring this weekend. I don't know, still hurts.

Smart.

Can't really push off it. Just kind of waiting. Who's the team? Could it be KC? Would those two teams trade together?

Well, that's what I was going to say. Is he still. Is it still about going to the jets and playing with Aaron Rodgers?

Listen, that's not what the jets need, right? I mean, they can't get the ball to Garrett Wilson. I don't know if Casey.

That would be big. Casey.

Casey could fit him. Who else needs a receiver that is in the running? Buffalo has all the cap stuff. They can't really do it. Maybe the Chargers.

Cowboys won't have enough money. I'm being selfish. Commanders bangles don't need.

I don't know.

Commanders. I think. I think you're probably cowboys trader for Devontae Adams. Yeah.

Out of nowhere. Okay.

I don't know. Yeah. I don't even know. I'm looking, I'm looking at the. The slate. Not sure.

Steelers.

Oh, yeah.

Steelers. Want them.

Yeah. Yeah.

Seahawks are home for the Giants. This I have is one of the highest lines of the week. I have Seahawks minus six.

I hit it exactly. I swear. Five and a half.

Who's winning?

1236. You were up seven six.

I really want to win these last two so I could eviscerate you.

Wait, there's three. Three left, right?

Three left.

Do you do Green Bay Rams.

Boy.

You lose. If you didn't do it, you lose that one. Well, you lose that.

Where's that game that didn't make my notes?

I should, I should just lie to you.

Is that an automatic loss for me?

It's out here. It's in LA. No, of course, you could guess enough. I mean, could I bet that you're gonna hit this? Exactly.

Now, Green Bay.

Ray at the rams.

I'm going to put this in the fairly watchables. I'm going to have the packers favored. And just, just for hilarity's sake, packers by one and a half.

All right, well, we tie on that then, because I did have one and a half. It's three and a half. That's.

Oh, my God.

It's a big number. Did the Rams have any more injuries today? You didn't think their Rams defense look good? I mean, neither one look good.

No.

Yeah.

Rims do not look good. Sunday night, your stupid team. You're going to win here, playing Pittsburgh, in Pittsburgh. So I think the line should be three and a half, but I guess three because I think people will bet Dallas. So I have Steelers by three.

Oh, you know, that's crazy because I had Dallas by one and it's Steelers by one and a half. So you do get it. But you were. It seems like you were off more than I was. I guess you weren't.

Well, you picked the wrong team to be favored. I would argue you were.

When does that matter? Why should that matter?

I think this line goes to two and a half.

Am I, you know, it's Sunday night, but I feel like I'm maybe outrageously optimistic a little bit here because my thing with the Steelers now is can you score 20?

Well, the running backs are banged up. That was the big. They didn't have Jalen Warren today. Patterson was really good in the first like hour and a half of the game, then he got hurt. It was just Najee Harris. That's it. So. And they're missing. They have some offensive line injury. So you're catching them on a good week.

I don't care if they have Jerome baddes. I don't care. I don't care if they have Natron refried means in there. It doesn't matter. That's from our producer, Jack Wilson. He texted me, that was another refrigerator. Yeah, but refried me. Natron means yeah. I don't know. Do you? Yeah. But isn't that going to be the thing with the Steelers every week, score 20.

Yeah. Gets a 20. Good matchup. Fun matchup. Good to see the uniforms again. Brings back a lot of memories.

Super Bowls there. Yep.

Monday night, chief Saints automatically has to be thrown into the Vegas zone. And I did. I just went straight, middle of the Vegas zone. Chiefs by five at home against the Saints.

You get it? I said four and a half. It's five and a half now. That's stupid.

This will go down.

You win ten. Seven. Shit.

Three weeks in a row for me.

How am I getting worse than this, you know? Put me down for one and a half for everything. I'm blind betting everything next week. One and a half. I don't know which side it was.

Niners patch. You're going one and a half. Yep.

I don't care.

All right, let's do parent corner.

Can I. Before we do parent corner, we just got a text from our cousin and David Chang.

Yeah.

First of all, guess what it's about. Based on what happened, your various podcasts this week, you're reading it.

Oh, Bianco is taking the pizza. Take personally the pizza 1.0. Yeah, but he knows I love Bianco pizza.

I know, but whatever was cut out for the Internet basically says that I'm sick of these fancy pizzas. And I thought I wanted room for both.

Oh, no, Bianco's Italian. I got to make up for them.

Yeah, you're in trouble? Mandy, he's going to be hosting guest the lines with me next week.

Oh, Jesus. Yakuza is the nicest guy on the planet.

He's the best. And you said, you know, and you love the Rosa pizza, so why would I?

Nine times this year. It's nothing against. I'm just saying in general, I want the.

What was your take? In general, you want to go back to the regular slice?

I still like the 1.0 version of pizza, too. That was my take. I like pizza. I like cheese and sauce.

Okay.

And I like the big triangle slices and. Yeah, I still like that, too.

You could get that, you could get that. But it's nice. You can get anything you want.

That was my point. I just said we've, we've. As a country, we're just moving toward pizza 2.0 because it's like, cooler. But I want room for the pizza 1.02.

Well, the good news is you admitted that you don't eat the crust, so you're completely disqualified from any pizza.

The crust is to hold the pizza. Come on.

All right, just keep going. I can't. I. I can't do this. This is so bad.

Parent corner.

What are we doing? Parent corner. I feel like I'm your father. That should be the parent corner. All right, so last week, while we were doing the podcast, my wife came home. She had dropped my son Archie off at college, right? So she got him set up in his apartment. I have football stuff to do, and it's also the second year. I don't need to go. Only one of us needs to go. So I'm done with the podcast. I go upstairs and my middle kid, Jack Romo, says, hey, mom went into Archie's room, probably to collect like eleven wet towels or something, and she walked out crying. And I'm like, oh, Jesus. I was like, what did she found?

Diddy's thousand bottles of lube?

Yeah. A lot of oil from Costco? No, no, nothing even like that. She just misses it. And I was like, well, what'd you say to her? He's like, he's like. I said, I'm. I said, mom, why are you upset? It's not like he died and I was like, fucking perfect. That's right. That's exactly right. That's what I say. Yeah, like, what is it? Stand by me, ordinary people. Like, come on, let's, let's. He's in a good place, he's with friends, he's growing up. It's the second year, so then the next morning I say, to him, I'm like, hey, listen, I think it makes the others feel bad, like they're not good enough if you're going to come out crying. And it's like, this is what I'm left with. And she's like, oh, that's crazy. Don't talk like that. That's. I was like, yeah, I just want her to stop crying, right? I was like, no, I really think it does make them feel bad when you see it like that. So she then has a conversation with them later that night and says, I just want you to know, boys, this has nothing to do with you.

And they're like, huh? We never, we never said it had it. I forgot to go to them and tell them what I was doing. I forgot that part of the whole.

Became a threes company episode.

It became a threes cup. Mister Furley with the glass.

Furley was like, wait, what happened?

Making faces. So she's all pissed at me. And she's like, you made this whole thing up and now this has been bad, and I shouldn't even brought it up to them. And I was like, all right, leave me alone. I have to go make losing teasers with the bills so I'm never getting involved in something like that.

Can we go back to your wife? It's like she's on the Hallmark channel. She goes into Archie's room and starts sobbing. Are the credits playing? What's happening?

It's crazy.

Fleetwood back song in the background.

What goes on? Try betting football. Life gets hard.

She sounds like she needs some parlays. Yeah, she needs some pizza.

2.0 is what she needs.

So my birthday was on Wednesday, which I didn't realize until I was on Instagram, was also national daughter day. Oh, if you have a daughter. And I knew this because on Instagram, a couple friends I had did these gushy Instagram posts with their daughter and wished their daughter a happy national daughter's day. And I was enraged because, first of all, where did this come from? When did we decide this was a day? Right?

Yeah.

I always thought, like, my daughter's birthday was the day we celebrated or Christmas. Like, they basically get two days, but they really get 365 days. Like, we're always there for our kids, and every day is National Daughter's Day, but somehow that's now a day. And I don't want to call it our friends, but our friend Shrifty had this really nice Instagram photo with his arms around his two daughters, including one of the daughters rooms with my daughter in college.

Right?

And now I'm like, all right, so now my daughter's gonna see this, but I don't do the National Daughter's Day post. And now I'm an asshole, right? I don't care because I didn't do an Instagram post, because that's what that whole generation, they. They. They calculate who likes or loves them, depending on what. If somebody does social media posts or somebody put on comments, they put a picture up and of themselves wearing a dress, going out to a party, and then somebody underneath in the comments goes, gorgeous.

I love you.

Five hearts. And that's queen we've created.

Yep.

So I was really mad about daughters. I decided not to do a post. My daughter never mentioned it to me, so maybe we shouldn't care. But then it got me thinking, like, about, like, what days are out there? Because I've seen National Dog Day, too. National Dog Day is August 26. And my wife, when that happened was like, you should do a post for national Dog day about Murph. And I'm like, I'm definitely not doing that. So there's a national son and daughter day is August 11. That's the son and a daughter. Oh, yeah. Is today yesterday? It was September 28. Yeah, that's National Sun's Day. Well, you couldn't do a post for National Suns Day.

I didn't. Honestly, I looked at you and I looked at Jim. I looked at a few, and I also weighed, like, who's going to get insulted? That's kind of the thing, right? Who's going to get insulted? And I figured nobody will, so I didn't post.

Well, I'll just tell you. National boss Day is November 6 or October 16.

All right, I'll hit you up.

Nobody make a post for me about boss day. Anybody that works for the ring, I don't want to post.

I don't care.

That's national boss day. But I went through, and there I was looking at some of the other national days. Apparently, you can, like, have a day and, like, push for it. Like, January 19 is national popcorn Day. January 31 is National Hot Chocolate Day. March 14 is National Potato chip day. April 11 is national pet day. April 12 is national grilled Cheese Day. And you just go through and you're like, what? When did this start? Is this just social media related?

Don't worry about running out of days either. Cause it could be a day that has, like, three. It could be potato chip day. It could be friends in love day. It could be aunt favorite aunt day, right? It's like, yeah, you can't keep track of this stuff anymore.

The fourth Sunday in July is national parents Day. But we've already had Mother's Day and Father's Day.

Oh, did anything for you for national parents Day.

August. No. August 1 is national girlfriend's day.

That's a good one. Can't forget that one.

And then this was the one. This drove me to a tizzy. And this is why, really, why I want to do this. August 8 is National Pickleball day. So we're taking probably two of the things I hate the most. Pickleball and just meaningless national days that people can do. Social media posts now we've combined them on August 8. That's my new least favorite day. August 8. That day sucks. I'm out. I might leave the country on August 8. National.

Wait a minute. I found one you might hate more. October 1, which is tomorrow, is only eat the crustace and pizza day.

It's crust day. It's actually national pumpkin Spice day.

Oh, same difference. All right.

October 26 is National Pumpkin Day. November 11 is national Sunday day, and that's six days after national Donut Day. So they. Apparently they just want us to get fat because winter's coming, and it just goes on and on. And I don't understand how we got here.

So how do we get out? That is the thing.

Well, here's how we get out. I'm not doing posts for National Daughter Day and national Sunday. I'm just. Nothing. Not doing it.

Remember when Jimmy did a national on friend day for Facebook? Like, that was an anti hero.

Yeah, that was just more negative days.

Yeah. Yes, of course.

We need to. Yeah. National visceration Day. Yeah, that'd be great. All right, that's parent corner. What do you got to plug, sal?

Well, through the wringer with Tate. Me and Tate's always a good time against odds. A couple times a week on the Ringer podcast network, cousins house winning weekend on Friday, Fandall TV and the Ringer with Phil Simon this week and the Ringer pre game show every Sunday morning, we're gonna be up against that. Up against that London game.

Oh, what are we gonna do with this week?

Well, we got it. We just plow. We plow ahead, man. People. Well, the good thing is on different things. Yeah.

The London game always sucks, so we will.

Yeah, that's true. And our picks suck, too, so you'll have to. You'll have a good selection to choose from. One more thing. Controversial. Maybe as controversial as the pizza. You saying that? Brian Curtis, toughest ringer employee.

Oh, crazy strength. He's eastern european.

What don't I know about this? Does he know some marshall shit or something?

This is Shea Serrano. Started this in the mid 2010. It's just kept going since.

Is it a joke?

Yeah, it's a Ronnie joke.

Okay.

Yeah, he just started this whole thing about how Brian Curtis was the toughest guy in the ringer and he'd been in a bunch, bunch of street fights and we just kind of kept going.

People, you fell for it. You sold it pretty well. You didn't, you didn't blow at all. That was good. People are making like brackets and stuff now. They're very mad. They're like, I want to draw Curtis in the first round. This is terrific. Oh, I'm proud of you. Nice job.

I have to plug rewatchables tomorrow night and the national boss day on October 16 for that, cuz. As always, great to see you. Good job by you.

Good job by you, buddy.

All right, that's it for the podcast. Thanks to cousins out. Thanks Kyle Creighton and Steve Ceruti. As always, don't forget new rewatchables coming on Monday night and I will probably have another podcast for you on Tuesday. And by the way, I did put up an NBA podcast on Saturday. If you missed it, we covered the Carl Anthony Towns trade, Nick's Timberwolves. It's on YouTube as well on the Bill Simmons channel. There you go. I will see you on Tuesday. Must be 21 plus and president. Select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 plus and president DC gambling problem. Call 100 gambler or visit rg dash help.com, call 1887-8977 or visit ccpg.org chatincon or visit md gamblinghelp.org. in Maryland, hope is here. Visit gambling helpline ma.org or call 803 two seven 500:50 for 24/7 support Massachusetts or call 18778 HOpe NY or text Hope NY. In New York.