Transcript of #159 Jane Doe - Terror Playbook: Sleeper Cells, Biological Weapons and Invisible Bombs

Jane Doe, welcome to the Sean Ryan Show.

Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here.

I really appreciate you coming. Sarah Adams, a really good friend of mine and, repeat guest on Sean Ryan Show, connected us, what, about a month ago, I think. Yep. And, so I know you're traveling from overseas. We'll not say where, but, she says that you are the world's leading expert on Al Qaeda.

And I've been talking to Sarah, Scott Mann, legend. We even flew all the way to Vienna to interview Masood, who's the leader of the National Resistance Front, kinda took the torch from his dad, who was assassinated by Bin Laden just a few days before 911. And, we've been trying to get out, you know, what Taliban, what Al Qaeda, what ISIS, Al Shabaab, all these terrorist networks have been up to on the show, and it's been really, really hard to kinda get people's attention. The mainstream media just refuses to cover it. I don't know why.

And and, unfortunately, it took the attack on January 1, 2025 this year to kinda get people really looking at it. And, and so now you have the whole world listening. And, I know there was some some some some attacks in Europe at the Christmas market. Sarah, actually, I wouldn't she told us that was gonna happen. I don't know if you would call that a prediction or if that was just flat out I mean, intelligence that's being brought to this show is coming to fruition.

And now that people know that, people are paying attention. And and so I just I know that takes a lot of courage to come out here and be on the show, and, so thank you for being here.

And thank you for the invitation.

And, just a quick introduction. So today, we're gonna hide your identity. We'll call you Jane Doe due to the nature of your work combating terrorism. Again, welcome to the show. You're 1 of the leading experts in the world regarding the al Qaeda terrorist network.

You're an ISAF veteran and former intelligence analyst. You completed multiple tours in Afghanistan. Thank you for sitting down with us today. This conversation is gonna help a lot of people. And, and and this is from Sarah.

I was texting with her to more this morning. And, so a lot of people have a lot of faith in in in Sarah Adams and what she has to say because because things are happening that she said would happen, multiple things, both overseas and and here. And so she texted me this morning. She said, Jane is humble, but you not only have the number 1 expert in the world right now on AQ Central Leadership, but she has completely infiltrated them. What is in her head will save lives, no doubt.

Have a great interview. And so if Sarah says that, that carries a lot of weight, not only with me, but to this audience. And as the audience grows more into the global scale, again, thank you for being here and in in emptying out what's in your head and what you know about these terrorist organizations to the entire world. I know that that comes at a cost.

Thank you. I'm I'm trying to do my best. I mean, it's, yeah, Al Qaeda is is is is very sophisticated. And and Sarah has been doing an amazing job. And, I've been working with her in the last 2 years trying to put this piece the the pieces together to understand what happened, you know, around 2021, what has happened, what's been happening now.

So, yeah, I'm trying to give you during this interview kind of that what we know?

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Patreon is a subscription network. And so 1 of the things we do they've been around here forever, since before I even started this show. I used to teach tactics, which is weird saying that, seeing what this has developed into. But but, 1 of the things that I I do for them is I offer I offer them an opportunity to ask each and every guest a question.

Mhmm.

They've been with us here since the beginning. They're the reason that I get to sit here and the reason that you get to sit here. And, so this is kind of the least I can do, for my community.

Sure.

And so this question is from Kyle m. When dealing with a threat such as a VBIED or any other explosion, mass shooting kind of event, what are the proper precautions to take when analyzing for potential secondary attacks? And then there's a follow on. Such as more shooters and secondary explosions, how does someone know whether to stay, fight, help the wounded, or retreat to a known safe location until the chance of a secondary threat is greatly mitigated?

Oh, that's an easy question. I mean, we we used to face with it in Afghanistan. Right? We had all these very tough decisions to make every day. I think the key here, what we are facing, I mean, these complex attacks is that how we can put together the first responders.

Right?

Mhmm.

I mean, when when we talk about casualties, you know, okay, let the the the the medics take care of that or just trying to catch, you know, the shooters. I mean, that that's on the police. Or what the community can do, yeah, that's another question. I think here what the challenge is going to be is that what if we have 2 attacks or 3 or 4 or 5 at the same time, the same place.

Yeah.

I mean, the key in here that the responders not I mean, not to drag all of them to 1 spot. So it's all about, I think, the key going to be organization. What the local people can do? You know, it's America. People have weapon.

I mean, you have large numbers of veterans, special forces communities. Obviously, they can be kind of involved. The risk in here, it's like what happened during the Hamas attack. I don't know if you heard about the Honeywell directive. Then the Hamas attackers got into the music festival

Mhmm.

And the the military got the order to shoot. And the military said, yeah, we don't know who are the attackers. I mean, it's not clearly visible. And they said, doesn't matter. Just stop them.

So, obviously, there were casualties. Yeah. So I think that's a that's a huge risk in here when we talk about multiple attacks, how you stop them, how you can contain them. And, local population, I mean, it's just law enforcement.

I have a feeling this question comes from Kyle Morgan, who was a prior guest on this show, former Delta operator, US Special Forces. And he responded to a terrorist attack, I believe, was Al Shabaab Mhmm. At the Radisson Blu in Mali. And, I can't remember exactly how long the gunfight is was. I thought believe it was, like, a 16 hour gunfight slash rescue mission.

And, when nobody else would answer the call, it was him, and I know that that still haunts him to this day. And now with the threat that we face here in the US and also in Europe, I know this is on everybody's mind. So just to kind of, expound on on his question here, You know, what is there any is there anything that so let's say it was a a IED, a bomb. Mhmm. In my experience, being overseas in Afghanistan, that was, I wouldn't say all the time, but in several cases, it was an initiation Uh-huh.

With a follow on attack of shooters. Would that would you say that if in a IED, a bomb went off in a location, it would be could you expect shooters to come? Are you picking up that kind of Yeah.

I think so. Yeah. I believe so. I believe so. I mean, when we talk about VBIED or or IED, I mean, in Afghanistan, it was mainly targeting convoys.

Right?

Mhmm.

VBIED is is just targeting, you know, the population when you have a crowd. I would expect here on US soil or in Europe, I mean, when we talk about VBIED, it's going to be target it's going to target specific locations. I mean, because the key, I believe, at least the information until now I have, is that, attack with an explosion is just going to be kind of an the the beginning of an attack which is coming after. Okay? So and the and the key of that is to drag the first responders to 1 side.

Okay.

Okay? So, imagine that if you have I don't know. It's really just a wide example. So it's nothing to do with information. Like, getting a suicide bomber into a museum where, obviously, you can have high casualties.

Right?

Mhmm.

And, the first responders will be there. I mean, several ambulance cars, the police, you know, just close the vicinity of the area, and mass shooting is starting on the other side of the city.

Okay. So it would be to it's a diversion.

Yeah. It's a diversion

with Yeah. Mass casualty event Yeah. And then a follow on attack somewhere else in the city or throughout the country. Yeah.

And the and the key is to not have response. So until now, what I know is that just just imagine that you have an explosion in 1 place, and you have just, I don't know, 1,000 people around. Everyone is calling 911. That's a massive, hit on the communication system. Right?

Because everyone is calling 911, and and it's 1 location. So when phone calls, 1,000 are coming from another location, It's it's it's I I can't I can't imagine how the system is going to handle that, and we are just talking about communication.

I don't know how you would handle that. You would have to be very smart about how you allocate resources or have at least a team, maybe a SWAT team or 2 SWAT teams sitting behind to respond to a follow on. Do you think we'll see that? So that doesn't just apply to bombs. That that that would apply to any attack.

Yeah. Could be a diversion.

Yeah. Yeah. It's I mean I mean, that's that's the key. That's that's really the key that it's going to be so hard to encounter it. And it's just back to the question, I think the United States has this I mean, you have a lot of veterans.

Just imagine that something is happening around where you live. You know, I know you and you will grab the weapon, you know, and you do your job because you are trained for it. But in Europe, we don't have it. We don't have this large number of veterans.

Yeah. Nor can you carry a weapon?

No. No. But but with these attacks, yeah, at least until what I know now is that, yeah, it's going to be probably 1 attack, make a huge diversion, overstretching the responders, and then just to the next 1.

Do you think that Europe is a lot more vulnerable to this than the United States? Do you Oh, absolutely. Do you think they'll start there?

It's difficult because, you know, everything any anything can trigger the attacks. And and, that's the key here. That's what I'm trying to figure out how how they work, how they think. I'm just telling an example. Can be that we stop funding the Taliban and just okay.

Let's do it.

Yeah. I hope that we stop funding the Taliban.

Oh, I hope so.

I have to say this on every show even though every time we talk about this, even on other shows when I interviewed Donald Trump, when I interviewed JD Vance, I I I talk about it, but we are we are currently funding the Taliban according to legend, sir Adams and Masood. We the US is currently funding Taliban 40 to $87,000,000 a week flown into cat as cash into Afghanistan through NGOs. And there was to my understanding, I believe, since since the Afghan withdrawal, the Taliban has set up over 900, and this is even 6 month old news, so I'm sure it's more than that, over 900 NGOs, kind of kind of, facade NGOs that just funnels the money right back into the terrorist organization.

Absolutely. But also when we talk about the the cash delivery is that so the plane is landing. There is a UN personnel, you know, because part of it is, you know, the cash for UNAMO.

Mhmm.

But there are additional bags. Wow.

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It fell on deaf ears. Our congress here or I'm not excuse me. Not our congress. Our senate here, our government is not taking this seriously. And and these senators, these congressmen that aren't taking this seriously need to be held accountable.

And so I would I would urge the audience to pay attention to what your congressmen and what your senators are doing because if they don't take this stuff seriously, as we saw on January 1st in New Orleans, people are going to die. They're going to die. And, moving back, just rewind in just a minute back to the terrorist, the follow on attacks, and and you were talking about, you know, the kinda, like, the second amendment here in the US and how that could play a role in stopping attacks as they happen. Do you think that or maybe do you know now do you think. Do you know if these terrorist organizations, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Taliban, Al Shabaab, the the the the Islamic brotherhood, is I believe that's what they're going by now.

Do they take that into account in their in their intelligence gathering? Do they look at this country does not is the its citizens are unable to defend itself. This state has very strict gun rights or no gun rights. They're not able to defend themselves. Don't go to Tennessee where where everybody here carries a gun to defend themselves.

Do they are they aware of that, and do they take that into account when

they are? Absolutely. I mean, they I I mean, it it always impresses me how they how they work. I mean, how they assess situation, how they have these great abilities of observation, learning. And they see the struggle of what we are having.

You know, they are just following the news. It's it's so simple. I mean, if you see a state where there is, like, always negative news about, for example, the police is a target. Right? Because the population don't trust.

You're talking about the states that have defunded the police.

Yeah. It's just examples, you know. So they are really watching us.

They're in tune with us.

Absolutely. They

take that into account.

They know our politicians. So they, it it's really interesting, in the last, 2 months, 3 months since, president Trump got elected, the change, even how they communicate inside the group. What has changed? That, I mean, they felt safe before, you know, freedom of movement, freedom of operation. They've got the money.

So now they kind of struggle to see what's going to happen. They had, you know, the Doha agreement. It was during the the Trump presidency when it was signed. So now they don't know what's going to happen, and that worries them. And and it it makes them, I think, less predictable.

Interesting. Interesting. You know, I'd I had, I've thought a lot about this and and not only with with terrorist organizations, but also the Iranians, the Russians, the Chinese. I mean, in my opinion, it would have been not in their best interest to attack under the under the the Biden administration because the weakening of the country is just happening at such a rapid pace. And and I tried to I tried to think like them.

And so if I were them, I would have waited until that election happened to see who was gonna win, to see if the country would continue to weaken. And if it had continued to weaken under a Harris administration, which it would have, with the open borders, with the immigration policies, with the with basically just the negligence that we saw throughout throughout the entire country and and in the world. If I were them, I would not have attacked until until a stronger president comes into power. Because at that point, the weakening stops, and it starts to strengthen. And so what I thought they would do is they would hit us at our weakest point, which they did Mhmm.

On January 1st.

Yeah. They were they were very happy, you know, with the with the administration because, you know, it's, they were I mean, al Qaeda was denied. Money is flowing. So it's just better, you know, to keep a low low profile, you know, to stay under the radar. You know, you do your business, and that's fine.

And keep infiltrating.

Yeah. And keep infiltrating. I mean, I mean, open border. But I see that in Europe. So it's it's not just a problem of the United States in Europe.

I mean, it's it's when the refugees are coming, you know, we have a law, and we are not sending people back.

Sarah had mentioned that there is a at least at least 1,000 terrorists that have infiltrated the United States. I'm surprised that it's not more, but it's it sounds like that, you know, Sarah only reports facts. And, and so or or gathers factual information. And so I'm curious as to your insight. Are there more than a1000 are there more than than a1000 confirmed terrorists that have set up sleeper cells within the United States?

Well, my numbers are are quite the same. What I would add to this, it's it's just, just the attackers, and we haven't talked about facilitators.

What do you mean by facilitators?

Facilitators. For example, we have the war on Gaza, which obviously has a huge impact, and not just on Muslim population. It's if you see the protests, you know, what we had, I mean, it's going to be so easy to find facilitators who are going to take care of I don't know, 1, money transfer, who is going to help attackers to get into a building, because I feel you. I'm with you, brother.

So they will find these facilitators at those protests?

Oh, yeah. Just, you know, like the ISIS claim that the New Orleans attacker was not an ISIS member, was just a sympathizer. So and and we see what happened.

Mhmm.

And, Sean, it's a lot.

Mhmm. Wow.

And it it's just growing every day.

So these 1,000 these 1,000 plus that that are that are confirmed to be within the United States borders, Are they grouped together in pairs? Are they singletons all throughout the United States? Is there a 1,000 different locations that all these people are at and those are the facilitators? Those are those are recruiters? Those are facilitators?

Those are planners on future attacks? Or are they are they grouping up in 10 different places in a 100? Are they grouping up into 20 different places of 50? Or do you know do you understand what I'm saying?

Yeah. Yeah. I think I mean, they are this we are talking about small cells. Okay? So it's it's from operational point of view, it's really wise to keep them separated.

You know, if 1 falls, you know, 1 cell gets discovered, you still have the other 10 or 15 safe. So I believe, at at least what I know, they are not communicating much between each other. So the cells are staying separated from each other. It's how many cities and where, we still don't know. We are working on it.

Do we have any confirmations of where they may be?

We have some some, but we we we couldn't confirm it yet. I mean, not yet. We are working on it.

How many have infiltrated Europe?

I think it's more than a1000. It's easier. You know, they come as refugees, and, I mean, they just simply get in. You know? So they walk through, and I think countries have this very I mean, the United States has its database.

Right? Big part of it is coming from Afghanistan.

You

know, you had all the names, the backgrounds. Europe doesn't have this big database. If they are sharing between, I mean, between Europe or or the United States, I I I don't know that. But, I know it was 1 guy who reached Greece in 2019 as an Afghan refugee, and, it it was a case study. No 1 questioned why he ran away from Afghanistan in 2019 when we still had the government.

But he was a refugee, and it was taken by a European country. And after a few months, he just grabbed a knife and killed 2 women. And the narrative was I believe it's a narrative, is that he had mental problems. So, you know, it's this thinking. You know, 2019, why why did he need to run away from Afghanistan?

Why was he a refugee? No 1 is asking. Was taking there to that European country and killed 2 2 women?

Why are they why are they formulating these narratives? Why don't they just call it for what it is? Is it to is it to try to contain mass hysteria or try to contain fear throughout the population? Or is it they don't want to bring light on terrorist organizations? Or or what why are they coming up with these narratives?

Yeah. That's an interesting question. I'm asking this almost every day that I think it's it's sort of a protection so that, you know, it's leave the people in the delusion that they are safe. You know, you are safe. You are not questioning.

But also the other thing is just think of it if you just using this case study that if you have an Afghan coming and killed 2 women, you start to question what's going on in Afghanistan, right?

Mhmm.

But when you start to question it, you get answers. When you have answers, you have to do something. No 1 wants to do anything related to Afghanistan. No 1.

So it's to it's to it's basically to save them from power. Yeah. Exactly. They don't wanna talk about it because they don't wanna be removed or elected out or removed from power. Yeah.

So they want everybody to know, hey. It's safe. This is just a 1 off. This is a spin off. This is this is nothing to be worried about.

It's just a coincidence as this happened. They don't want the fear to come or they don't want to they don't want to reveal the truth of what's going on because if they did, they would show how incompetent they actually are in office.

And and and, yeah, and it it's also, you know, having, successful for years because because it it's what I can see, it's all about I mean, related to Al Qaeda and Afghanistan, so it's what's going on in there. It's all about short term political agenda and not about long term solutions. So it's, you know, it's it's something like this. This is what I can see, I mean, related to Afghanistan as a narrative. Move on.

There is nothing to see here. Move on. So everything related to Afghanistan is just buried.

Mhmm. We saw that. We've seen that.

And and and these mental issues, that's the main narrative now in Europe.

What is it?

It's it's it's the attacker had mental issues, mental problems.

It's an ideology problem. Yeah. Well well, you know, I'm I'm really concerned. I know every time I cover this, more and more people get concerned. I'm actually extremely concerned that Sebastian Gorka took the director of counterterrorism role here within the United States.

The guy has 0 background. I don't know why he was placed in that position. He doesn't know what he's doing, and, hopefully, somebody more competent takes that role like Scott Mann or Sarah Adams. Speaking of Scott Mann, Sarah Adams, this is another I don't know if I'd call it a positive, but I just I just want the audience to know that there are people out there that are that are trying to reach local communities. I know you're a big part of this.

Scott Band, retired lieutenant colonel Green Beret, out of special forces, Sarah Adams, former CIA intelligence analyst and targeter. I know you're involved in this. You guys are coming out with a book called The Gathering Storm, and Scott Mann and Sarah have been flying around the country to anybody that will listen to what they're trying to to to to to what they're saying to try to prepare the local communities as our politicians continue to fail. In fact, they're coming here to my county to brief an entire panel at our sheriff's department. I talked to the sheriff.

They're coming here. We're having we're actually having a panel here coming up on on everything that they've uncovered. And, and along with with you, what you've uncovered because I know they take everything that you have, very seriously. And so so that's what they're doing, but but and and so sheriff's departments, police departments, lots of local governments, very small communities are they're listening as our federal government and state government continue to to to fail us. And so can you can you talk a little bit about what the gathering storm operation looks like and what exactly it is?

Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. So we there there is part of the book where we put together actually what we know. There is a, part of it, for example, which is about Al Qaeda, the changes it went through, how it's operating in and from Afghanistan, what are the other bases.

And, yeah, it's I I think I I want to highlight something because it's really important. I think it's pretty amazing in America here that you have people listening. I I think it's it's really it really shows that people are taking this seriously. We don't have this in Europe.

You don't. No.

No. You no. We don't.

Even after what happened at the Christmas market, nobody's listening?

No. No. No 1. No. And there is nothing to see here.

You need to move

here. Yeah. So, and, yeah, we are focusing on local communities, you know, and trying to share what we know. Because I think, you know, it's we always call it it's critical information. If you have the intel, you can be prepared.

You can prepare the people. You can prepare the law enforcement. You can prepare the first responders, right? And I think it's a huge advantage. And this is necessary to do that.

I struggled a little bit in the beginning, okay, we are creating, you know, mass hysteria. People are going to panic. But and and I get this question. It's just what if you are wrong? And and I always say, okay.

Let's turn the question, what if I'm right?

Mhmm.

But what what if we are right?

Mhmm.

And there will be no response.

Well, I can answer that question right now. What if you're wrong? Well, what if you are wrong? Well, then we're all better prepared for what what might come. And you're right.

What if you're right?

Yeah.

Which January 1st proved that you are.

Yeah. Yeah. And and and just a little bit how we work that, Sarah has her own line. I have my own line. I have a partner.

He has his own line. So we we are using minimum 3 independent, networks. So we verify information.

You've infiltrated all of these terrorist organizations, number 1 being Al Qaeda. Correct?

Yeah. Yeah. I did.

How did you do that?

I think it's, I mean, when when Al Qaeda said, and it was stated in 2016, it was Al Zawahiri who said that Al Qaeda wants to return to Afghanistan. And

Could you say that again?

In 2016, Al Zawahiri stated that Al Qaeda wants to return to Afghanistan. It was in 2016 Mhmm. When he stated that. And, it's an easy, you know, for them. They are 1, you know, the ideology is the same.

So it it was an understandable choice, but we have our allies there. So and and the the interesting part when we talk about this is that, the Afghans are not so happy about Al Qaeda being there. The Taliban is.

Mhmm.

But the Afghan population, I mean, general, they are not.

Yeah. It seems that the the local Afghan populace is is obviously very concerned. They made a lot of headway when we were there, and now that's completely demolished. And then and then, you know, another thing that Sarah told us is that, Hansa Bin Laden is still alive even after we reported that, apparently, he was dead. And so it's to my understanding that Hansel Bin Laden is marrying into all these different terrorist networks.

He's married into the Taliban, Al Jabal, Al Qaeda, all these all these terrorist networks to form the the Islamic Brotherhood. Yeah. And and so now he's basically taken would you call him competitors?

Yeah.

He's taken competitors, and he's united them all with 1 common goal being Yeah. Being to take out the west.

Oh, it it's not just Hamza, actually. His brother are so married recently, to a woman from the Haqqani network. So they are, yeah, they are they are 1. And and, actually, you know, they they they didn't even hide it because it was stated several times. Now they are not hiding.

I mean, Hamza is wandering around in Afghanistan. And even if you ask an average Afghan, okay, who is, you know, like, educated know knows who Hamza Bin Laden is, and they are telling you. I mean, it was, I think, 2 weeks ago, I I texted to couple of people I I I knew I know from the past. And and when I asked, okay, so, Hamza Bilalade, no 1 said, no, no, he is dead. But, I mean, to deny that he is alive is deliberate.

It's not because they don't have the intel. They know they he's alive.

They do. Why are

they hiding that?

Why did they try to hide that?

Because you otherwise, you have to do something. I mean, how could you explain? I mean, just imagine that you are you are a political leader and, someone is coming to you and saying that, hey, Sean. Hamza is alive. Yeah.

I don't want to know that because when you take it, oh, seriously? You have to do something. Because people will be like, Sean, why aren't you doing something? Why is he still alive?

Mi6 reported him alive. Is that am I correct?

Mhmm.

What other countries' intelligence organizations are now reporting that that revealing that he's alive?

It's the British. They they they do, and they really don't understand. I mean, I'm I'm pretty sure you heard that. It already appeared in the British news that Homza bin Laden is alive. So it was, intentionally leaked to the British media, you know, kind of warning the people to trying to do something.

The Australians knew that, he's alive. It was a little bit of confusion in the beginning because when Hamza appeared, Abdulak bin Laden, you know, the brother, he was in Afghanistan, and it was even in the UN report in 2021. So when Hamza appeared first and I've got the information, I started to question, are you sure it's Hamza? It's yeah. Yeah.

It's are you sure it's not Abdulak bin Laden? And they said, no. No. No. It's Hamza bin Laden.

And then after 2 months, I could find an NDS, a former NDS officer who said that, yeah, Homza is alive.

Real quick, NDS is base NDS is basically was basically the Afghanistan's version of Mi 6 or CIA. It was their intelligence it's their intelligence organization.

Yeah. So they reported after 4 or 5 we we tried to, you know, see that, it was 4 or 5 months after that they reported to the US Annex that Hamzah Binaldin is alive. And according to sources, there was even a photo attached, was taken in Pochtia of Hamzah.

Wow. Wow. Do you think that we'll get more into Hamza, here in a bit. But, 1 thing too, I just wanna say that, they we we spoke about the gathering storm. Look.

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I spoke to Scott last night, and he said he's he's finished with it. Mhmm. But, 1 more thing. Do you before we move into all the other stuff that we're gonna talk about, do you think that, these do you think these terrorist organizations will start to target specific individuals much like what we saw with, Joe Kent's wife who the former d the the DIA intelligence officer. A really good friend of mine, Scottie Wertz, was killed in that.

He was protecting her, and they targeted them at a restaurant, made car bomb. Boom. Killed them with a car bomb. And do you think that we'll start to see individuals within Europe, within the United States? Will there be individual targets, or will in addition to mass casualty events?

I think it's in the pack. You know, if you I I know that Iran has his own list, you know, who should be killed. Also, Al Qaeda in 2023 December also mentioned 3 people. 1 is Elon Musk. The other 1, I don't remember his name.

He is, related to economics. So, yeah, they have they have a list to do that. The I think can be a twist in here that Al Qaeda and the Taliban, they have very good relationship with organized crime groups.

Meaning cartels?

Yeah. Cartels. For example, Sirajuddin Haqqani has this amazing, cooperation and relationship with the Albanian mafia, which is controlling half of Europe. They have network, I mean, almost global. So that makes it even more unpredictable.

I know that Al Qaeda I mean, on the election day when it was announced president Trump won the election, yeah, Al Qaeda was not so happy.

Why would they target a individual like Elon Musk? Is that for the press, or do they have something personally against him?

In the video, what they released in 2020 3, it was more about his kind of a symbol, you know, of, economy. He's a symbol of power, infidel. You know? So that is nothing. I think they also obviously, they can use it as recruitment, but he was mentioned in that video.

And the economics, why would they go after somebody with economics?

Because it's power. You know, it's that's why 911, the VTC, they were symbols at ours.

Do they have a history of this? I mean, I don't I don't in my time in service, I don't remember seeing, a a gross amount of information saying that individuals would be targeted. It was always locations like coast, the station at Kabul, Kandahar, you know, the the the the black base that was down there. I mean, what I've never I don't I can't say I never, but I don't recall seeing individual targets. Is this a new thing?

Yeah. It's kind of a new thing now. They can see that, there are people, you know, if they are taken out, it can be used, as as their own interest, you know, their own benefits. It's kind of a new thing, and I think it makes them also vulnerable. So it's, yeah, I'm I'm working on this part because it's it's interesting how they see.

Obviously, they want to avenge, Soleimani's death, you know, who was killed during, president Trump's administration. That was a big hit for them, and they want to avenge it. And, but as you said, in the past, for example, they they didn't want to kill Obama. At least, I mean, they were talking about it, and there was a letter found in Abbottabad when they said, okay. Don't don't touch don't touch him.

Why? Because they saw that that would create a vacuum, and that's where they use that. And I'm I'm really I'm apolitical, appalled, but that's when they wrote that is, Biden was by that time, you know, the vice president, and they said he's completely unprepared for the position. So killing Obama wouldn't make that benefit for Al Qaeda.

So it was a longer play? They could they could foresee that

They always play on a long term end, and this is where we are losing.

Wow. Why is why does this all stem in Afghanistan? Why why is this not stemming more in Yemen or Iran? Why why is Afghanistan such a a key country for for festering terrorism?

Al Qaeda, I mean, they have this amazing strategists, okay, so even today. And, they had these analyzes where open jihad, you know, the open front, jihad, can be carried out. Al Qaeda made a list of their own limitations as well. So it's really like in military, what the capacity you have and what you can achieve. So it's really it's brilliant.

And, 1 of them was Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, and North Africa, what they identified as can be suitable for open front jihad. It's why because the government is weak, social services are weak, the ideology is not far you know, the local population's ideology is not so far from Al Qaeda's, and this is where they can grow the seeds. And and and and they have I mean, Yemen is is always been for them kind of soft targeting. Obviously, it has a government which is kind of supported by the West. Afghanistan is that's where everything has started.

So there how are they communicating? How are they how are the it sounds like all of all the leadership excuse me. All of the leadership is within the Afghanistan borders. Correct? Yeah.

And so now that it's a safe haven for terrorism, how are they communicating with their their leadership throughout Europe in in the United States?

Inside Afghanistan, the senior members, they are communicating with each other by couriers. So interestingly, they don't couriers? Couriers. Yeah. They don't trust

So they're not they don't have a digital footprint?

No. They don't.

This is all couriers?

Yes. Yes. So they they still don't trust, you know, much, with Europe. It's, they they they are they are using technology. So what I know is they are communicating encrypted messages, so they use the digital communication.

What kind of message? Like signal, approach?

Kind of and emails also, you know, you can create, you know, this temporary email addresses, you know, sending. Then after 1 hour, you know, it's deleted. So they use that. But, yeah, within Afghanistan, they don't. I mean, we we've got couple of phone numbers of them, but they are not using much.

Wow. And so all of the the 1,000 plus that have infiltrated the United States, the 1,000 plus that have infiltrated Europe, none of these none of these entities are communicating with each other within the borders. It's all coming from central command, which would be stationed in Afghanistan.

Yeah. Correct. I mean, I believe that, but, as I'm saying I mean

So it's very it's very compartmentalized is what I'm saying. They don't know what each other's doing.

The key. That's the key. Not knowing each other. You know myself was.

So the only way that it could get leaked is by 2 points. The the single point within the United States and the single point within Afghanistan. Yeah. They couldn't they couldn't. So, basically, for those that don't understand what I'm saying by compartmentalization is if, let's say, that the FBI raids a sleeper cell within the United States, that sleeper cell will not have any information

No.

When it comes to what the other 999 sleeper cells within within the US borders or within Europe's borders is doing. It's all the the only way to infiltrate it is at the head, which would be in Afghanistan.

Yeah. Exactly. And even within 1 cell, they don't even know each other's real name. So it it's really if you see that from the operation from point of view, it's it's it's genius. You know, 1 cell is not going to lead to another.

Wow.

It's not. And and and you have all these Taliban and Haqqani network, supporters here in the United States. I mean, personally, I have some experiences with them. And, also, they can pass messages.

What what is your experience with them?

Very negative. I mean, okay, I didn't expect they will be positive, that it it's it's really all about trying to legitimize, you know, the Taliban government, whitewashing the Taliban, Al Qaeda as well, changing basic information. You know, it start to argue about really facts, what you can even find open sources. They are very aggressive. And this really had a peak during the election time.

They really had this campaign of Biden Harris. I mean, they even created a hashtag for it. It was really interesting. And, and, just, you know, false narrative, and and and you have a lot of lobbyists here in the United States. I mean, we are listing them, and, and they are powerful.

I mean, there are people listening to them.

Who? Who are these lobbyists? 1 of them. Organizations or they individuals?

Both. I mean, individuals is like Zaman Khalilzad. You know? I don't know if you heard about him. He's 1 of them.

I haven't. Who is that?

He was, from, he he was member of the Doha Negotiations. He's an American citizen. He's from Afghanistan, and he had this key role, you know, passing more power to the Taliban during the negotiations. He is 1 of the powerful lobbyists. And there are several former businessmen here.

So, yeah, they are powerful, and they are listening to them.

And what are these lobbyists doing?

It's obviously, you know, this this small chatter, you know, yeah, I did the Taliban doing this, the Taliban doing that. There is no al Qaeda. And to me, it's strange because when you read it in a UN report, it's obviously that person is lying. Right?

Mhmm.

But they are just keep going with the narrative, keep repeating. I mean, since the I see that since the US presidential election, how the propaganda machine of the Taliban has changed, for example. So all the positive news, economic, innovations, you know, new factories, life is wonderful in Afghanistan. Everything else is a lie. And, we predicted that.

I mean, we we made several posts about it. What kind of changes are going to happen all became true?

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Alright, Jane. We're back from the break here, and, man, this is already, like, pretty alarming stuff. But, I wanna get into more about Al Qaeda. So what are some of the leadership changes that you're seeing within that organization right now?

Yeah. They they are continuously changing, but there are significant changes what, what we could observe. 1 of them is that they became, more goal orientated and less, rule orientated. So that's why

More goal orientated and less rule orientated. What does that mean?

They focus so much on operations to carry out the attacks, to do their own business. So if you see Osama bin Laden or Ayman al Zawahiri, you know, they were they were also fighters, okay, mainly Osama bin Laden, not Zawahiri, But they were these kind of soft guys, you know, running around Afghanistan with AK 47, Zawahiri, you know, always about these religious speeches. So he was more a preacher, excellent strategist, of course, but the new leadership is more mission focused, and they are so fast. I mean, they returned. Abdullah bin Laden arrived 2021.

Saif al Adal, who is the chief of the external operations of Al Qaeda, returned in 2022. Hamza bin Laden returned in 2022 as well to Afghanistan. Al Qaeda's leadership. They run mainly everything, and they are battle hardened fighters. I mean, Saif al Adel himself is coming from the special operation forces.

Are you sir the the the the people that the US trained?

No. He was, in the Egyptian special forces.

Okay.

Okay? He was in Sudan, Yemen, Libya. He fought, you know, against the Soviet troops in Afghanistan. The guy is a genius, and he is called. And he is just marching to execute the mission.

He is talking about we know that from meetings, you know, what they had. Of course, he is devoted himself to ALAC. You know, his life is the jihad, but it's a military guy. So then we talk about operation planning. It's a military guy.

Do they have different tiers within the organization? Do they have, like like, how US military setup? They have tier 1 organizations being team 6, Delta. They have they have conventional forces, the infantry. They have is it broken up like that into tiered tiered units?

Not in Al Qaeda.

Okay.

Not not in Al Qaeda. It's what they what they did is that they prepared and trained, you know, the fighters Mhmm. The attackers for Europe and for America to carry out the attacks, and very, very well planned operation, if you see, if you just see, you know, what we've been talking about. And, what I can see from, them is that they even told us it just let me quote you, Sayf Al Adar, from 2023 November. This is what he wrote.

We are facing this major shift in the global Jihadist path and facing a radical change in rules of fighting on the occasion of the opportunity of the century that may occur only once or twice in a lifetime. We call on our Islamic peoples everywhere to fight this battle, which is the most important Islamic stop. So they even are telling us they are changing. And if you see the previous attacks, you could see how the Hamas attack was already more brutal, it was extremely organized. I talked to former colleagues from, the US Special Forces, and I asked them, what's your opinion?

And they said, wow. They were extremely organized and synchronized what they did in Israel, the the homicides. And if you see, it was it was several raids at the same time.

We're gonna start seeing that everywhere.

Yeah. And, and, you know, when when when I talk to other analysts, this is what I can see. It's it's kind of, I don't know. It's a tendency now that, no, that doesn't fit Al Qaeda's profile, you know, oh, that doesn't fit Saif al Adel. It doesn't fit it, you know, these old dogmas.

And if you see Al Qaeda is a okay. It's a terrorist organization, but it's part of nature. So it learns, adapts, and evolve. So why are we just denying that? It's just acting as part of nature.

Have they ever been more effective than they are now?

Well, I was really surprised the the changes and the achievement, what they have reached during the last 2 years, and they are stronger than prior 9:11. They have more money. They are more organized. They are more trained. I mean, just to see the training what the fighters have received and they they are still receiving.

Okay? So they they haven't stopped training fighters. That's scary. I mean, just just look at their equipment.

Yeah. It's all our equipment.

Yeah. It's all US equipment. Mainly. Yeah. Mainly.

Always going somewhere. I'm trying to to regain my, train of thought. The the the info that you're putting out is just is it's hard to keep a thought. It's hard to keep a thought. Can you explain what the Islamic army is and who all is involved?

Yeah. It was 2023 November when, it was right after the Hamas attack when I started to track movements of fighters. So the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and the the Iranians, they moved fighters to Syria, Iraq, and it was extremely organized. I mean, they used airlines. So it's not even just cars, airlines.

And then I started to see

What do you mean they used airlines? And that's on the outline.

Yes. So right after the, the Hamas attack, the Taliban sent fighters to Iran, to IRGC, Iranian Revolutionary Guard, bases. They took a plane there. They took planes there, and Iran flew them to Damascus. It was before the 19 November no, 19 October because we just put the information to the system.

Listen, guys. Massive fighters flow are going to Damascus, and they are going by airplanes. And that's when Israel bombed the runaway of Damascus, you know, just to prevent the planes landing. And then they turned to ground transportation mainly. It was, you know, a little bit slower because it's not easy to move a lot of people, but before that, that's what they did.

Something that's on speaking of the airlines, and I'm switching gears here a little bit. Couple things. I wanna talk about the invisible bomb Mhmm. That Sarah Adams has been discussing. We've we've talked about it several times.

In fact, there's a really good discussion on it on, our x spaces. I think that's what they call it. But I wanna talk about the invisible bomb. And I also wanna talk about let's start here. Scott Mann, obviously, has a lot of, sources and is really tied in with this stuff as well.

I know I don't wanna mention any names who he's involved with. I don't know if I should or not. I think it's okay, but but I'll keep that quiet. But he's really tied in with some of the people that were in NDS. Mhmm.

As I mentioned before, NDS is the the was the Afghanistan's version of CIA, Mi 6. It's an intelligence organization. And he got reports that they are Al Qaeda, these terrorist organizations. The Islamic Army is predicting 50 to 60,000 casualties within the United States alone. We talk about 911 was a $500,000 budget.

Now we're sending 40 to $87,000,000.

Yeah.

You know? Mhmm. What is there any if you through your through your network, have you heard anything about 50 to 60000 casualties?

I mean, if you if you see that it's going I mean, they are talking about mass casualties.

Mhmm.

Okay? That was mentioned several times. And, it's it's really not about to show off. Okay? I mean, if if you see the 911 attack, it was all about, you know, destroying symbols, and I'm I'm really not about numbers.

I mean, 3,000 people died. Now it's all about mass slaughter. And and because that's going to paralyze the entire nation.

Mhmm.

And and it's it's not just about the casualties. Just imagine that services will be shut down.

Mhmm. And if we What kind of services? I mean hybrid? Those type of services? Water?

I mean, just police departments?

Yeah. Emergency I mean, hospitals will be overwhelmed, you know, taking care of casualties still. I'm not even talking about economic impacts. I mean, if it's happening just at the same time in several big American cities, you know, airlines, they will be stopped for sure, you know, standard operation procedure. So the economic impact of this and and the chaos, what it's bringing within and and who who you are going to trust after.

It just so it is so wide, the impact, and they are aware of it. That's why they planned it. And that's why the Hamas attack was an amazing rehearsal because they could see that, you know, step by step, line by line, what are the outcomes of an attack like this.

Let's dive in a little more specifically. Let's talk about the economic impact. What how would that affect the economy?

Well, if you see the 911, I mean, the stock market was shut down. I think also for a week. I'm not sure about the time, but that can be predicted just to see how the goods are flowing, you know, just really I'm talking about the local level. I think it's more it's easier to explain. Just filling up, you know, the goods of the supermarkets.

You know, we talk about 1 week, 2 weeks, will it happen? You don't know. Could you catch all of the shooters? Because we don't even know the number of the people in the SARS. So it's this massive manhunt.

Banks, you know, obviously, they will be closed. So the economic impact of this is also why I wouldn't minimize it. So it it has impact on every part of our lives.

Man, I didn't even think about that.

Mhmm.

I did not even think about that. So the hospitals will be over plowed. Mhmm. The first responders being the police, that will be completely taxed. There won't be enough of them to go around.

We already talked about proper allocation of resources, which would be extremely hard to do. Mhmm.

Yeah. Just imagine that there is a woman, and it's time to delivery. And the hospital is just this dealing, I don't know, 100 casualties there. You know? So it's

Let's talk about the the invisible bomb.

Mhmm.

Are you familiar with this?

Yeah. So it was, I I don't think too many people paid attention. It was a video released in 2023. I was lucky because I saw the video. So it I think it took for the authorities 30 minutes to remove from the from the Internet, but there was 1 website where you could watch the video, I think, for a couple of days.

And, yeah, the airlines are still in the plan, you know, to attack. And the invisible bomb, the interesting it's a homemade explosives. So they they guide you step by step how to make your own bomb home. And the most interesting part was they made because it's even they even talk about it in the video that they need this research where you can buy what. For example, what ingredients you cannot buy in the United States, or it's tricky to buy because maybe the law enforcement, you know, is keeping an eye on the the the sales.

So it it's really detailed how to make it step by step. Of course, you need patience and, it's it's not so easy as it sounds, but you can make it. And it's a powerful bomb. The trick what they made, about it is that when you prepare the bomb, you need to remove the smell, you know, of the explosive. And then after, you cover it with silicone.

And that's why and and it doesn't have metal parts. So it's chemically induced explosion. So metal detectors are useless.

Dogs?

Dogs, no. Because the silicon itself is just sealing the smile. So the only way is that and even they they show it in the in the video, the only way to detect this bomb is that the body scanner. The only way.

Okay. So they go through metal detectors. Yeah. It it it a dog can't sniff it. It could so this could easily get on to airlines pretty much anywhere that doesn't have the body scan machine, which most I don't know how many airports have that now, but I I think it's pretty safe to say that the

even telling the video that not too many airports have it. I mean, Sirius is so detailed. I mean, they did the recce at the airport and and they are they are telling it that it's yeah. They check the airports, not so many. They're talking about big airports like I don't know.

I think in in New York, JFK, they have it. They use it. But smaller airports, they don't.

Even some even some large airports don't?

Yeah. They don't. And, and it even in the video so the video, it's about to make an a homemade explosive, like, half a kilo, which is powerful. They even demonstrate it, so you can see it. And just 2 less than 200 grams oh, sorry, it's a European language, grams, it's enough to make an explosion in an airplane, which is going to be catastrophic.

I mean, even even airplanes, I mean, that would be devastating, but, you know, we're we're just talking airports. What about what about major arenas, stadiums, concerts, football games, baseball games, hockey games, speaking events, hospitals, schools? Yeah. I mean, the list goes on. Nobody has this type of technology except except the major hub airports within the United States, which even some major hubs haven't even implemented this type of technology with the body scan yet.

Yeah. And there are some airports, you know, when they do body search, but, of course, they don't touch, for example, your intimate parts. Mhmm. Mhmm. You can hide it there.

How big is this?

I mean, it it it showed, like, it's it's approximate, I don't know, like, 20 centimeters, and it can contain half a kilo, which is really powerful. And,

Is it about I mean, how thin is it?

I mean, it it it was it's it's like, they even make the bomb. It's like a a mineral water bottle. You know? And, actually, they use a mineral water bottle to make it.

Okay.

Okay? So it's like a half a liter bottle. You can make it.

What kind of devastation are we talking about?

It was, it was shown on bricks. You know, they put together, and, yeah, it's powerful.

Could it, I mean, could it would it could it take a building out?

No. That that's not. But, for example, if you just go there next to gas lines, you know, so the the bomb itself, if you use 1, yeah, probably it's going to kill people around you. But it's not, we are not talking about huge vicinity of that. But if you have couple of ones and couple of people yeah.

Okay. So it wouldn't be it wouldn't be like a VVID?

No. No. No. Because it's big, you know, so you cannot you can't hide it.

It wouldn't be it wouldn't be as devastating as the typical suicide bomber that wears a vest. No. It would be a somewhat of a I don't wanna say minimal explosion, but compared to what we've seen, overseas with with a vest full of explosives or a car full of explosives, it wouldn't it wouldn't

We find a solution for that. So what they did is that, I don't know if you remember. In Afghanistan, they put even screws,

you

know, in the vest, you know

Fragmentation.

Yeah. Exactly. So what they did now is that shredded, they shred, plastic. It's like, you know, with a knife. You cut this hard plastic, and it's sharp.

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And it's causing so similar injuries because they tested it.

So the so even the fragmentation is not

Exactly. No. It's not metal.

Could it be used to initiate something larger? You know, a lot of explosives, you need an initiation to to detonate the actual the the the bigger, explosive. Could this be used to could they daisy chain it? Yeah. You know what I mean by daisy

chain? Yeah.

Could it be connected to others?

Exactly. They can do that. So they are they are so smart. You know? They see the equipment, what you have, and they patiently take their time.

How can I encounter it? How where is that gap what I can use?

Is anyone listening to this stuff?

I think to listen, Sean, first so when we are listening to people, first, we need to acknowledge that we don't know everything. Right? Also, we have to have openness, you know, curiosity. Okay. What do you have to tell?

Isn't it right? But most of the times when I talk about these things, I mean, very often I meet people that, ah, no. Arkadah, no. They are gone. They are stupid.

You know, this is just guys running around with AK 47 and just we really need to see how they are right now and where they are. And you have to be humble to do that, to acknowledge that I don't know everything. So I during these 3 and a half years, I made these amazing connections with analysts from, for example, from Switzerland, Australia, but even Pakistan. You know? Everyone is saying, oh, because of the narratives.

I listen to everyone because I don't know when I can learn or getting a new information. And I don't see that we are having that from our leaders that, okay, sit down, tell me, what do you know? It's this, I'm sorry. I I was actually looking for it, the proper English word is this arrogance.

Mhmm.

You know? And I can see that on analysts too. In the last, I mean, just my last year talking to them. No, no, it's not. How do you know that?

Oh, show me evidences, but I'm not going to post on Twitter or sorry x. I'm not going to post it. So it just theoretically, you know, let's sit down, talk. No. No.

No. It's not like that. Actually, I found what can be behind, you know, it's that what Sarah, I, or my partner, we are going through is this going against the narrative.

The what?

Going against the narrative, you know.

Going against the narrative.

Yeah. Exactly. The talk either is gone. No. It's not gone.

And just sit down 1 hour, and I can prove it to you.

How do you prove it to him?

Obviously, the sources would prove a lot. This is where I struggle personally because, I I even thought that if if the new administration is going to sit down and talk, I really need guarantee from them that they are going to protect the sources.

Yes. I've read, I've read in your outline that 22 of your your assets have been have been murdered.

Yes. Yeah. It's from my side and my partner who can't be here because of his line of duty. He he couldn't come. And, 22 gave his life, and, everything points to their they were burned by 3 letter agencies.

Are you serious?

Yeah.

They were burned by 3 by American 3 letter agencies? Yes.

I mean, they were the only ones. I mean, you know, when you provide information to a government, you, obviously, you have to name your source, the position. They have to see that if the source is credible. And, somehow I mean, 22, that's a little bit high number to be a coincident.

Yeah. I'd say. Do you know how the the agencies are burning the assets?

I mean, they are cooperating, you know, with the Taliban and, but I would correct it. This is not a correct sentence. They are cooperating with jihadists. Okay? It's not just the Taliban.

They're not talking about just the Taliban. They are cooperating with jihadists in Syria. We are I don't know consciously or subconsciously, we are cooperating also with jihadists Al Qaeda Muslim Brotherhood in Libya. So by just back to the Taliban, yeah, we are receiving intelligence from them. They are our partner, and I wouldn't even call them partner.

Sean, they are our proxies.

Jeez. Jeez. Man, it's just gotten so bad. It's gotten so bad. So we talked about simultaneous attacks.

Do you think that is there any intelligence that's saying that that all of these different sleeper cells will attack at the same time, or will be a couple here, couple there, and just sprinkled throughout years, or will it be all at once?

It's difficult to tell, you know, because the plan itself, it's flexible. So they always can change.

So they'll do it on the fly?

Yeah. It's like you you initiate 1, 2, and then you see that, okay, it's not working so much out. Okay. Let's let's abort.

Okay.

Okay? So that's why it's difficult to to predict. And here it comes, our limitation because of HuMint. You know, Huwint obviously has its own limitations.

For the audience, human is human intelligence, meaning it's coming direct from humans.

Yeah. So and, and we have our limitations, but we are working on it as much as we we can to to get out and and just to pass it You know? Someone who can do something. I think

1 of the most alarming things that you mentioned is that there is no there will be no SIGINT intelligence, it sounds like, because of the couriers. And so, you know, when when when I was in, when we were working over there, a lot of it was intercepting certain, cell phones, communication devices. We were able to to intercept those text threads, those conversations, those emails. And now that they're using couriers, it's only down to human, it sounds like.

Oh, so and and also just as a plus, you know, China is helping the Taliban to protect this communication. So even if they are doing communication on the on the cell phone, it's it's protected by Chinese technicians.

So China is behind, is is is

It's kind of assisting. You know, it's a symbiotic relationship. You know, they have a long term plan there, you know, in in in Afghanistan, I mean, all the mining contracts. You know, we are talking about years. So it's kind of, yeah, I'm having some income here, so I'm I'm helping you.

And in just back to this cooperation, I didn't know the first time when I heard I didn't know I should lie or cry. But when the Taliban meets the US officials, including the 3 letter agencies, right after the meeting, the Taliban actually is briefing China what was discussed during the meeting with US officials.

How much how much of the Islamic Army's funding is coming from the minerals that we well, I guess, we didn't give up, that China took control of. I mean, I know there's been negotiations between China and Taliban over the lithium mines.

Mhmm.

Afghanistan's very rich in lithium. We obviously we we just left it, to them when we when we withdrew from Afghanistan. How much income are the terrorist organizations receiving from China to build these lithium mines?

The the the archive doesn't receive it directly. So they get it, via the Taliban, right, you know, as a as an income. So they have their own revenue. What I know that is is, money coming from gold mines, gem mines, drug trafficking. You know, Al Qaeda has a revenue.

I would say that until I mean, what I could track, it was annually around $500,000,000.

$500,000,000.

Goes directly to Al Qaeda.

So less than what the US is funding just in cash?

Exactly. And, you know, I I did I don't get the point. I mean, how do you expect them to take your side when you pay less? And and and I think, basically, the approach is wrong. I had lost no.

In 2023, I had a discussion with the Taliban. He's, I mean, on the ranking is, like, up. And, he just told me that you people are so arrogant, and you can believe that the if you pay, we are going to whatever you want. And, you know, so so correct.

How does Russia fall under this? I mean, we're obviously not friendly with Russia, as the Russia Ukraine conflict continues. However, we did see was it Isis k that did the attack on the Russian mall?

Mhmm.

And so are the Russians how do I say this? Are the Russians well, we know China this this we know that China obviously benefits from Mhmm. What the terrorist organizations plan on doing to Europe and the West, being the US. Does Canada fall into this at all? Yep.

What about South America and Central America?

They are not much.

No. So what is what is Russia's stance on this? Are they taking precautions? I mean, they took a big hit. It was bigger than than

Is it a big hit to have a attack in a mall? I mean, just because, you know, it's it's it's the first thing which came up in my mind when I saw, you know, the social media after the the attack, you know, in in in Russia. It was like this bandwagon. You know, ice escape event global. They are deadly.

They are descended. And just come on, man. Look at the scale of the attack. It was like the guy almost like in New Orleans. No?

Mhmm.

So if you see the casualties

Well, there was multiple shooters there, wasn't there? Yes. And the casualty rate was a lot of

Yeah. It was higher. More. Yeah. Russia currently is helping the Taliban to rebuild the weapon system in Afghanistan.

I mean, there are Russian soldiers, there's a civilian, but they are soldiers. Technicians helping the Taliban to repair tanks, aircrafts, you know, which are coming from the Russian time. It's beneficial for them because obviously they get paid for it. Right?

So it's a Wagner Group?

I I actually I don't know their nature. I know they are there. I know they are in Kabul. There are a couple of ones also in the north. I don't know where actually they belong, but they are Russian.

So they've they've potentially made a mess?

Yeah. And, you know, they are helping to to fix tanks, airplanes, helicopters. So it's also another symbiotic relationship.

I mean, they tortured those guys. They tortured those guys that that, that shot those people at the mall.

Yeah. Yeah. But it's 1 attack. It's 1 attack. And and and and this is where it gets interesting.

If I see I mean, when you see IS KP or the Islamic State, in Afghanistan, it's it's interesting how it developed. So in 2023, somehow actually, I couldn't track it how, Gulmarat Kalimov, you know, he was the number 2 in the Islamic state, appeared in Afghanistan in a prison in Nemruss province. We couldn't I mean, we couldn't track it how he ended up there, but he was there. And then he was transported in 2024, was transported to the north and started to set up training centers. Not don't don't think, I mean, big training bases.

They were small centers, feeling like, I don't know, 20, 30 people. And these, fighters were coming from Central Asian countries, coming through the border, I mean, by the help of the Taliban and the and the GBI, you know, the Taliban intelligence. Gunnarat Karimov's key role there is that training these foreign fighters, send it to Central Asian countries or even to Russia, you know, just to destabilize Russia. Volmerod Kolimov has a very close connection with Serajuddin Hakani. So when we started to talk about, you know, also Sara, you know, here talked about, you know, Umarat Kolimov and the training centers, so they removed all this to the the, other side of the Afghan border.

So this, you know, these tribal areas in Pakistan because they started to talk about it. And obviously, on the north Afghans in the north of Afghanistan, they talk a lot, you know, because these people are you know, they don't belong to there. The and this was reported, Sean. There was a report about this.

Wow.

And and the 2023, the Taliban GDI director Abdul Haqwashiq, I don't know if you heard about it. He's a former Gitmo detainee, actually. He went by private jet to Italy and participated in intelligence conference. I don't know what was on the conference, honestly. You know, I always confess if I don't know something, so I don't make it up.

But suddenly, they started to arrest Tajik nationals, you know, ISIS related nationals in Europe. So I guess they put him on working. You know, he was kind of tipping off, you know, the European agencies. But I have 1 question to the European agencies. I know how many people are passing every month from Central Asian countries to Afghanistan.

How many they are arresting in Europe? Do these 2 numbers are matching each other?

What are they?

I don't think so. I mean, there are a couple of arrests. I mean, if Sirajuddin Haqqani is smart, what they would do, I train more. I tip-off, you know, couple of, useful idiots so they can see me as a potential counterterrorist partner. And the rest, you know, just let them working.

So another diversion. Exactly. And I know it's almost every month between 60 80 foreign fighters are entering Afghanistan. So and and it was interesting because I was thinking why why they put this guy, you know, Vashik, to to this conference. And last week, I found the solution, actually, that he even in the past, he offered his help to the American government, you know, to, capture the Taliban intelligence chief.

So I think they just returned to this information. You know? Okay. This guy offered 1, so now he will be useful. I can tell you he is not useful because I'm pretty sure he is not tipping off every single incoming fighters.

How are these guys convoluted with the cartels? You kinda mentioned that earlier that they they had close ties within Mexican cartels.

Yeah. It's it's all about money. You know, it's it's business for everyone. I mean, Al Qaeda and the Taliban, but mainly Al Qaeda had a relationship with them in the past too. They used, disorganized crime groups to, for example, get nuclear material.

So that's what they are using. Now I know that, they are cooperating with Russian organized crime groups, and they are helping to get some stuff in, you know, crossing our borders

Mhmm.

Including the United States bro border.

How long have they been go go convoluted with cartels?

I mean, it's, what I I mean, the problem here is that what I have access to and I I have, capacity just to track specific things. So I I, the time, I don't know. But I know there are materials, for example, the Albanian mafia is taking cash into Europe sent by Sirajuddin Haqqani. And, I mean, money bags. Is the Albanian mafia there, for example?

Here, I know that it's the the cartel. It's yeah. It's probably about weapon and other things. But because they are here. You know, the local guys, they know the flow.

Yeah. They're good at it.

Mhmm.

They're good at it. What what are what would Al Qaeda what is their long term plan? What is their short term plan? On top of that, is it the same long term, short term plan for not just Al Qaeda, but for ISIS, for Al Shabaab, for Taliban? Is it is it is it all 1 plan?

I can I mean, kind of, sort of? What Al Qaeda is doing now, and and, we have to also look into what they are doing on a on on 1 specific spot. Al Qaeda's short term plan now is that short and middle term is that trying to support local jihadist groups to form a government, to take over a country.

To take over an entire country.

Yeah. Exactly. It's it's like, what the Taliban did.

They just did it in Afghanistan.

They did it in a now they did it in Syria. So it's what people don't understand about Syria that it's and it's a really trick what our governments and the media is doing that I don't know if you follow the news, what happened in Syria. So the guy changed his suit. You know, he's in suit, ties. He's using his name, real name, not the nom de girl, and he's meeting our politicians.

So he's changed, and that's what every analysts are saying now who have government contracts. He's changed because he's saying that. Well, I can tell you that those fighters were trained in Afghanistan, and al Joulanis, because I use his fighter name, I'm not using his his civilian name, He sent people to those meetings with Al Qaeda, and he cooperated.

Do you have any idea what country they plan on conquering, taking over?

It's it's not just physical. Okay? Imagine that, it's interesting to see, for example, Libya. The Libyan government is pegged by Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood, and we are dealing with them soon, Sean. We are going to buy oil from them.

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Yemen. Yeah. The Houthis. I mean, in 2022, I already told that and there were other reports. Okay?

So I'm not painting myself as a genius. It's just I'm also reading a lot.

Mhmm.

So all these, you know, institutions reports. For example, there is amazing institution called Sana Center, and they are reporting about Yemen. Also, they mentioned that it seems like Al Qaeda on the Arabian Peninsula, you know, AKAP, 1 of the affiliate of Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda Barents in Yemen, is showing some interest to cooperate with the Houthis. And everyone, no, no, Houthis are Shia, Aka Pei Sunni, they hate each other. Again, old dogma.

Well, they are working together. And it was publicly released last year. So we need to overcome this barrier, these old dogmas to see that, like, you know, like you see, it's a new organization. Let's discover it. Somalia.

Somalia is struggling, you know, that the Al Shabaab can't win. You know, they they are just I mean, they are fighting with the government. Obviously, it came up, oh, we should negotiate with Al Shabaab because all these terrorist organizations or these jihadist groups, what they do, they realize that Taliban communicated highlighting local interest, and we buy it. So when we negotiate with Al Shabaab in Somalia, oh, Al Shabaab is busy just with local agendas. Yeah.

But that's not true.

How much influence do they have within more well-to-do countries without throughout the Middle East and East Africa? Do they have do they have influence in Saudi Arabia? Do they have influence in Oman? Do they have in influence in United Arab Emirates? Countries that that are are are wealthy countries.

Well, they use the Muslim brotherhood, you know, which kind of, I mean, Al Qaeda, the Islamic state, you know, they are rooted to the Muslim brotherhood. And, the Muslim brotherhood loves to portray itself as a nonviolent group. However, they are the political wing of this Islamic army. Why I'm saying it? It's because the Muslim Brotherhood is banned in Arab Arab countries.

For example, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, they are banned. And what the Muslim Brotherhood has tried to do again during the Hamas attack is fueling internal tensions. You know, telling to these Muslim leaders are infidels. They are serving just the West. They are not protecting other Muslims.

They are supporting Israel, you know, on the war on Gaza. What these countries do is that they break it down very hard. I mean, if they hear a speech from, a radical imam in a mosque, the guy will be arrested on the next day. You know, they just don't give any gap for these radicals to to plant a seed.

So they don't have much control in those countries is what you're saying?

I mean, they have some. I think the weak link, what we could witness during the Hamas attack I mean, after the Hamas attack, what I saw, the weak link was Jordan. Jordan is a country, you know, depends on also aid, and, they had a very strong Muslim brotherhood inside work. I mean, they were preachers, you know, in the mosque asking the people to break in to to Israel, kill Americans. They struggled, but somehow they were able to control it.

But I know that during the the I mean, from the meetings, during the I mean, right after the Hamas attack, Al Qaeda Central had weekly meeting with the Muslim Brotherhood in Jordan to discuss how to cause more issues within the society, fueling, you know, tensions, asking the people for protest to weaken, king Abdullah weekly weekly. I mean, they had these amazing, I mean, amazing meetings every week coordinating people with military commanders in Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt. They they did it every single week.

What about what about Western Asia or actually any Asian countries? Do they have influence there? Just I'm trying to get a overall picture of how much influence they have throughout the world. So South America, Central America, we know they're among the cartels. Would let let's go to Asia.

It's

global. It's global. It's just directly what I can see, and, you know, this is, why I often call Afghanistan as the font and head of global jihad. Mhmm. Because it's not just the Taliban, it's it's our Qaeda together.

So what I could see that they are providing physical support. I'm talking about, weapon, ammunition, financial support money to 19 countries.

Can you name them?

Yes. So you we have here Afghanistan, so the east is going to Pakistan, Jammu, and Kashmir. We have Bangladesh, Myanmar, Indonesia and Malaysia. We have the whole Middle East. Then we have Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Morocco, Jordan and the Sahel itself, you know, Burkina Fasomali.

That's what they do. And they have facilitators in every embassies.

And this is the long term plan?

The long term plan is is to establish the caliphate.

So the the taking over countries is a short term plan?

Yeah. It's taking more and more. You know, it's kind of it's physical. Imagine this plan, it has 2 2 ways. You have 1 physical, you know, just trying to, put more and more countries where these Islamists are ruling.

That's what you can see, for example, in the Sahel. And then you establish governments which are backed by these terrorist groups. And the long term the long term plan is to have this Islamic caliphate ruled ruled by Sharia law. The short term plan is getting more and more countries. So expanding, you know, expanding your influence, expanding your power, expanding your networks, this is what they are doing now.

So when people are telling me that Al Qaeda is recovering in Afghanistan, they are reorganizing stuff, it's wrong. Al Qaeda is full operational. Actually, they jumped another level when now we are talking about massive innovations, what they are doing. They have so many scientists, Sean.

Let's move into the caliphate.

Mhmm.

Can you explain what that is?

Yeah. It's basically Sharia, ruled system, but we exactly what we are seeing in Afghanistan. And it's just not having any western influence on it. So it's it's actually, the long term goal is quite simple. Where they do all these tricks is the short and middle term, like making the people believe that if someone is changing the clothes and start to use their real name, that guy is our friend.

And this is when we are not paying attention.

Break it down a little bit more basic with the caliphate.

Mhmm. Okay.

What is it?

Caliphate is that there's it's a system. I would say it's a government system, which is running a country. And you don't you have I don't know. I mean, should I should I explain this Sharia law? You know, it's,

Yes.

Okay. Basically, it's, defined by the religion itself. It has its own judicial system, its own educational system. For example, they don't have so many subject to teach which is related to science. So it's basically it's always about the the religion.

Honestly, the caliphate is not my strength. That's more about other members of the team. But, yeah, that's the that's the that's the plan. I I think that's

So it's basically a global a global type government that falls under Sharia law?

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

That's what they want. That's the long term plan.

That's the long term plan. And and I think this is the key where their strength is that we we don't plan on a long term. Our leaders are planning for 4 years. Mhmm. They have this plan.

And, you know, it it you cannot even put a timeline onto it because if it as Jesse Periola wrote, you know, he just released the book and I love the title. If it takes a 1000 years, year, doesn't matter. Keep going.

Like China.

Like China. Exactly. So they are learning.

In their in their eyes, what what does what constitutes a takeover of a country?

That's a good

When where do they find what what is successful in their minds when it comes to taking over an entire country?

When you start to talk to them and negotiate with them, that's already a good point. It's already a good point. I mean, just to see that we know that couple of people in the Central Libyan Bank, they are Al Qaeda members, and they are controlling, I mean, 1,000,000 of dollars. We are negotiating with them. I mean, we are having trade with them.

It's not necessarily planting a flag.

Yeah. No. It's not. It's influence.

It's how much influence they have over

the country. Have a massive influence in Europe. It's crazy to see that how I mean, it has a history, like, after 2,001, you know, the 9/11 attacks. Obviously, societies developed, you know, this anti Muslim attitude. So, for example, in Europe, we used NGOs, you know, to kind of calm down, you know, this kind of attitude because, obviously, it's not about religion.

I mean, we can't say that every Muslim, you know, they are terrorists. It's not true.

We

know that it's nothing to do actually with the religion itself. And these NGOs just got so powerful in in in especially in Europe that they are influencing governments, for example, in Switzerland.

Switzerland?

Switzerland seems so neutral. Actually, it's a center of terrorism in Europe.

Are you serious?

Mm-mm. We I I work with, I mean, I've worked with several analysts and I have several partners. You know, obviously, you know, I cannot reach out to every countries, but we have Swiss partners and they are telling us that what's going on in Switzerland, terrorist recruitment, financing terrorists. And actually, there are terrorists who proved to belong to Al Qaeda, and they are Swiss nationals. And the and the government is not deporting.

There was, I think, recently 2 or 3 months ago that they could suspect the guy belonged to Al Qaeda, and they couldn't deport him because of the law.

Because of the what?

Law. Because of the law. You know? He he has a sit second citizenship or got the refugee status, and you can't deport.

But you'd brought up scientists and innovation, just a few minutes ago. What kind of what kind of innovations are they doing right now other than this invisible bomb?

Mhmm. So I think that's that's kind of shows that, you know, the operational part is running. Right? Because you it's just running by itself. It's set up.

It's working. So what they did is that they have scientists there. What we know, they have microbiologists who are working in biological labs, developing weapon of mass destruction. They are working on it. Even the UN reported that they have weapons engineers.

Weapon what? Weapon engineers.

Weapon engineers. Yes.

To build new weapon. For example, we know that they are working on drones.

So so we're we're potentially facing biological warfare as well?

It's on the platter. Yes. What kind of biological weapons? We exactly don't know. Not yet.

Viruses?

They are working on modifying agents to make it more lethal. And there is an Al Qaeda microbiologist, and he was detained. His name is Yazid Soofat. He is a Malaysian actually, he's a former military. He studied in the United States.

And he was detained until 2019. Then his close monitoring ended in 2021. 2022. He was already working in Afghanistan in a lab.

Where are they testing these?

They already tested. Where? In Afghanistan.

What was the outcome? It's working. It's working. What else are they innovating?

These are the 2, what we actually know until now.

Drones and biological warfare. The invisible bomb, which is already

Yeah. That's that's already done, you know, and the the invisible bath. So they are just doing their job. And and and I think the crazy part is that they do all this without intelligence interference for an intelligent interference.

Let's talk about a little bit about the role of Turkey.

Yeah. So Turkey is, I mean, it's been on the news, obviously, because of Syria. And Turkey always, hosted and sheltered the Muslim Brotherhood. And since, you know, they are kind of neighbors, they had very good relationship with, with jihadist groups in Syria. I am not so sure Turkey's goal yet.

I'm trying to see if they are helping to spread the sentiment of Islam Jihad, or they are just exploiting these terrorist groups, and it's kind of expanding, you know, their interest, you know, their power. I still need to see this because yeah, but my capacity is really, really limited on this field and let's see what's going to but I need to see before I claim something. I suspect that it's a symbiotic relationship that we are working together. I mean, if you say Turkey and Somalia, now they have got huge influence on on Syria. So Qatar?

Qatar. Qatar is a difficult case because several things happened. I just saw after the Hamas attack that there was an Islamic scholar group which visited Afghanistan. It was in 2023 February, and they met Sirajuddin Haqqani. And they, gave him a gift, which was a replica of the Al Aqsa mosque.

And you know how they call it the Hamas attack? All OXXO flawed. So that was interesting. I don't know what happened on the meeting, but I found it interesting. And this Islamic scholar group is funded by Qatar.

Plus, we have information that until now, like, I I don't want to say exact number, but more than 10 times, plans landed in Kabul delivering M4 rifles to the Taliban, which is a violation of the embargo.

Wow. These guys' network is a lot bigger than I thought.

And and, plus, we had this I don't know if you heard about it. We had this Qatar Gate that how Qatar is kind of buying influence in Europe. So there were several European politicians, you know, they got caught because they received money from Qatar. So they are massively influencing decision makers and policy makers in Europe. And there were a couple of European politicians spoke up, you know, saying that, come on, people, we need to stop Qatar.

We are doing what Qatar is saying. And then they got labeled, oh, you are far right, you are Islamophobic, you hate refugees. So they were completely discarded. But in Europe, we have a massive influence of Qatar and we are not doing anything. It's just going by the flow.

GDI. Yeah. Can you explain what GDI is?

Yeah. So it's a Taliban secret service. Obviously, the intelligence service of the, of the Taliban.

So the GDI is the Taliban's version of CIA Yes. Yes. Yeah. It's an intelligence organization for the Taliban.

Yeah. It's ran by, Abdul Haqwashik, you know, the former git Gitmo detainee guy, which is I think he's kind of playing his role in the system. The most interesting person in the GDI is Tajmir Jawad. He is the deputy, and he has a very important role in Al Qaeda. He is representing the Haqqani network in Al Qaeda.

When it comes about decisions or something coming from the Haqqani network, it's him who is representing Sirajuddin Haqqani. It was couple of months ago when, Al Qaeda wanted to send suicide bombers to the West Bank. And it was Tajmir Jowad who used his veto and said, no. I don't think I think we should wait. So he has a very good position.

Otherwise, what the GDI is doing is providing protection and undisturbed condition to every, training centers, training bases. They are responsible for the security of Al Qaeda members. They're traveling around Afghanistan. So that's that's their main job. And, yeah, it's trying to find the people who are talking and

So is GDI the intelligence service for not just Taliban, but Al Qaeda Mhmm. ISIS? Yeah. So it's it's it's basically the Islamic Brotherhood's intelligence.

Yeah. Yeah.

It it covers it it it top covers all of these terrorist organizations.

Yes. Yes. They do. They do.

Where is their headquarters?

It's in Kabul. They are operating from there. They have several departments. And, yeah, they are like 1.

What are the departments? How is the GDI broken up?

I mean, they have 1 department specifically which is taking care of the security of, of the Al Qaeda members. And there are, there are 1 department. For example, they have SIGINT department. I just discussed They have SIGINT? They have SIGINT department, which was actually very active around safe houses where our Qaeda members are.

They're constantly checking if there is any foreign SIGINT activity. So this is how they take so seriously the protection of Al Qaeda members in in in Afghanistan.

How long has the GDI been around?

I mean, it's like, yeah, it was established right after Kabul fell, you know, and, that's their main job.

So about, what, 4 years?

Yeah. Yeah.

Do they have operators in the field throughout the world?

I don't know that part. I don't know that part, honestly. Hakanee network, yeah, sure. Yeah. It's a global organization.

But the GDI, I don't know. I know that there are people in the United States directly being connected to the GDI. I know that.

So they have operate operatives inside the US

Yes.

And in Europe.

And in Europe as well. They are directly communicating with them. I know that.

What are they doing? Are they conducting surveillance? Are they infiltrating media? Are they what what they're lobbying, obviously?

Yeah. They are lobbying. That's what they do. I think also what they are doing is trying to identify Afghans abroad, you know, who can be potentially your help, you know, kind of source or they are trying to help you. Because, you know, a lot of Afghans, I mean, who are here, they have their family in Afghanistan.

So they know what's going on in Afghanistan, so they can be very helpful for you. So I know that a lot of Afghans here in the United States, but also in Europe, they are so afraid to speak Mhmm. Because they can be found. They know who are here, you know, from the Haqqani network or from the Kandahar Taliban who are potentially working for the Taliban. They know that, but they are just so afraid to speak up because they are afraid they will be deported because they can see that our governments are protecting the Taliban.

So they're also the operatives are also developing assets and creating their own networks? Yes, they do. How effective are they compared to an organization like CIA or Mi 6?

I think they are not, much. I think the the their effectiveness relies in simplicity.

In what?

They are so simply working.

Okay.

You know? It just really, they are taking their time. They are super smart. It's it's like 1 1 thing, what what I know. There was 1 guy in the United States.

His job was given by the Taliban, by the Haqqani network is trying to check and monitor social media to see which Afghans are speaking up or potentially sharing information. That was his job, and he got paid for it. So they are very simple things what they are using.

So when they recruit an asset, are they paying the asset? Are they

Oh, they do. Threatening the asset? They do. They do. Sometimes they strat.

When they strat, usually, what I could see is that, yeah, they are not speaking. They are not speaking. And I don't know if you've seen that there was this Afghan athlete, female athlete, spoke about, you know, the Afghan cricket team and she's receiving death threats. And she has protection from the French police. So it went that far.

So they have power in our countries. They really can make people's life help.

What have we not covered yet?

Oh, a lot. I mean, it's just we could talk, you know, days about these things. I think what we need to understand is that these groups are getting together. They they had already their interlinks before. Now they are cooperating, China and Shia and Sony, which we claim that they hate each other.

I think we need to see that we we are running out of proxies, You know? The ad hoc, you know, teaming up with, militias. We are using them for our interest, which is okay. But after 4 years, you change it and you start to pay the the opponent force. And we are running out of proxies.

So these groups are learning and they know that I can play to be your friend, so I get money. But at the end of the day, I still hate you, and I still will do an attack on your own soil. And they are they are cooperating, and they are learning from it. So it's they are not just cooperating. They are learning from it, how we can do better.

And, we we still don't want to kind of accept it.

Mhmm.

And we are using these groups to encounter Russia and China. So it it's it's just I I've never thought I'm going to witness something like this.

What is US intelligence's relationship with Taliban?

Oh, they are having meetings. I mean, it was 2,022 or and I don't want to be 2022 or 23, but I think it was 22 when already we had photo of CIA contractors in Kabul. So what we know that they are not all the time there. They are traveling there, you know, frequently. I know that they, share intelligence.

I mean, share intelligence. The Taliban is feeding the system with sort of intelligence about, the ISKP and about the Al Qaeda in the Indian subcontinent. That's it. They are, you know, the small pieces of information and lies, and the United States is not taking any effort to verify this information. And, and here it comes, you can say that, oh, someone told me that, oh, because they are stupid.

They are not stupid. So seriously. So the CIA is not stupid. It's just that's the political order. There is nothing to see, move on.

And it's good for us. You know, when they are lying for us, it's good for us. We don't need to do anything with that.

Mhmm. Mhmm.

So you don't need to admit that we are facing, you know, serious threat. Obviously, Afghanistan was was taken over by Taliban and Al Qaeda because when you reach these conclusions, it's the next step is you need to do something, and no 1 wants to do anything there.

Back to the GDI. I forgot to mention this. Are the is the GDI still holding American hostages?

Yes.

Yes.

What I know, it's the it's 3, who are there. And it was this, I want to say because I know just his family name is Hobbybee. You know, he's an Afghan American citizen, and it was just denied such a long time. You know? No.

He is not there. They don't have him. Yes. They have him.

This is verified?

This is verified. They have him.

Do you know where he's being held?

Well, we try to track him, and the last, last information, what we've got is that already the the Haqqani network and Al Qaeda has seen. But there, we don't know the location.

What are their plans for this? Are they planning on using our hostages as negotiation?

Oh, yes. That's what they are going to do. That's what they are doing. I mean, it just you have American citizen, this Ryan Corbat, who is in as far as I know, his medical condition is that deteriorate deteriorated. Deriorating.

Yeah. Very fast. And it's still there, and you're still sending money. You know? It's it's just the the CIA contractors are passing there every week.

Or who are the other 2?

This Hobbybee, I know, and I know Ryan Corbett. The third 1, I don't know the name. They were not my focus. Are they torturing them? As far as I know, no.

Except Hobbybee, they do. Habibi, they do the US citizens. No. They don't.

Why are they torturing him? What do they wanna get out of that?

They believe he played sort of a role, for in the in the collecting intelligence about Ayman al Sawahiri, you know, when he was killed in Kabul. That's what they believe as far as I know. But I think they I mean, as really the information I have, they don't touch the the US citizens. However, I believe just to know the conditions there, that's already a torture.

Yeah. I can imagine. Yeah. What kind of negotiations do you think they'll initiate with our hostages?

I think they will play now differently, you know, because of the new administration. I think they keep trying to sell, you know, we are your friends, and we are your counterterrorist partners. I don't know how it's going to work. But what I see globally and also in Afghanistan that we it's it's a it's a chess game, and it doesn't matter where we step or what we do. It's Checkmate.

You know, we don't have so many options to to do. I'm just telling you an example. Yeah. You have the hostages there. So yeah.

Yeah. Sure. You don't pay anymore. Okay. We kill them.

And what what you do? You invade Afghanistan. Well, it's not going to be that easy like in, you know, in 2,001. So you you won't do that. So you see, we don't have so many options anymore.

I mean, it's gonna be a lot harder to if we were to go back there, I mean, we've burned all of our allies. Who would come work with us?

Oh, I think there there are still I mean, even, you know, hearing the Taliban that so many are disappointed. You know, they they had this holy war, propaganda for 20 years, you know, fighting against America, you know, the the big evil. And, now they realize that, actually, the Taliban is the same corrupt, you know, as the government was. They are not receiving salary, so they don't have that such a good life. I mean, the top, they have.

So the Taliban, I mean, from the middle level also are not so satisfied.

And to your knowledge, has there been any attempts to recover our hostages? I don't know. Is it even being discussed?

I I really don't know. It's it's I I've got couple of questions, you know, and, but they are not my focus. I'm mainly focusing on Al Qaeda as the central leadership.

Do they have any European hostages?

Oh, they have. Not just American. They have yeah. So are European

European hostages?

As far as I know, they have 26.

26 European hostages? Yes. And is Europe doing anything to recover their cost?

I don't know. You know, it's, I mean, when I see Europe, it's it's like there is no communication. I mean, seriously, Europe is not talking about Afghanistan. You don't even find it's it's somewhere mentioned. Oh, yeah, they are talking about, sorry, what projects they are funding for the Taliban and that's it.

I mean, they don't. Now the narrative, I mean, it's all the information, it's all about, you know, the Ukrainian and Russia war that's controlling the entire information space in Europe.

Are the Europeans even aware that they have hostages?

I don't think so. I don't think so. I mean, I I just coincidentally saw it in 1 of the reports, but otherwise, no 1 is talking about it. No 1.

Is Europe doing anything to combat what's coming to them?

I don't think so.

How would they begin?

I don't know. I think we still believe that, you know, it's we pay the Taliban, and they they need our money, but they don't need our money. And I really don't see this because there is no communication with the European agencies or or decision makers. 0, nothing. Nothing.

We have couple of I mean, for example, we had couple of people who reached out to us and said, come on, how can we cooperate better? They are fighting the same battle as, like, Sauron Scottman is doing here, you know, trying to push, you know, politicians to to listen and do something. But in in Europe, it's harder.

How would you define politicized intelligence?

Yeah. That's I mean, just just to see the last 4 years, you know, I I I mean, that's what I felt on my skin is that if, if a government decides something is not comfortable, something doesn't fit the political agenda, even on the intelligence field, it's just ignored. And this is how Al Qaeda is. You know, they they don't even mention Al Qaeda. I think I heard maybe 5 or 6 times in the last couple of months, which is which is already an improvement.

It's this using the power to you don't collect information based on threats. You you collect information based on political agenda like ISIS. You know, it's been ever it's just ISIS. Okay. I don't know.

They don't exist. Yeah. But we have this no. It it doesn't exist. And this is extremely dangerous because that means you are missing information and they can be vital.

And I could I mean, my partner, you know, he's American. He had direct contact with 3 letter agencies. I didn't, of course, I'm not American. He had and he screwed up. I mean, he was screwed up so many times by 3 letter agencies.

Like, there was 1 3 letter agency who told him, don't submit anything to us which is about Afghans or Afghanistan. But why? Because we don't care. That's that's the order coming from the top. Jeez.

I've heard this couple of times. I've heard it from congressmen at different events that, the agency has reached out and told them to stop. Just stop talking about it.

Mhmm.

Cease the conversation. This is done.

Yeah. But is it? It's it isn't it childish? You know, it's like when you have your children, you know, and they say just seek and hide, you know, and they just I'm hiding.

Yeah. Yeah. So it's Out of everything that we talked about, what do you think that the the biggest threat to the incoming Trump administration is when it comes to terrorism?

It's, it's a little bit complex because, I mean, what I can speak about the Trump administration, it's it's coming from the media. Okay? So I I don't live here. So what I saw is that the new administration wants to make major changes, right, in, I don't know, I heard the FBI, you know, intelligence agencies, security forces. That can be a very sensitive point because if they initiate the attack when you do these changes, that can influence the response.

Right? So this is 1. The other thing is that I knew when they saw the news, Arcadia Central saw the news, first, they were very upset. President Trump won. But after 10, 15 minutes, Saif al Adar said, bring it on.

So they know that they have a specific plan for the Trump administration. And it's all about if you see the political agenda of President Trump, it's all about, for example, bringing troops home, right, to decrease the American military presence. You will be dragged into conflicts. And you won't be able to do that. Because if you do it, you say that, it's another example.

You have an attack on an embassy. Okay, let's say that and they will order, okay, let's find who did it, setting up, you know, you need find the perpetrators. Still, troops are there. But if you don't go after them, the restored American image, which was, you know, another promise, you know, during the election, that's not going to happen. So that's why the next US administration don't have I mean, those decision makers, they don't have too many options, Sean.

It's a very sophisticated chess game, and they will need a very good chess player.

Do you feel we have any good chess players coming in?

Oh, I don't know. Or just see the other things that these attacks, it will have economic impacts. So his other plan, you know, to make some economic improvements is not going to happen.

I got a lot of faith in Mike Waltz. He's the, incoming national security adviser, and I hope he's paying attention. I know he is, but he's got a big job to fill.

Mhmm.

And, and, 2 more questions before we end. I already think I know the answer to the 1, but is there any possible scenario where we make peace with these organizations?

No. Because they don't want peace. You know, you know, I I heard this that we make peace with our enemy. Right? It's it's it's it's correct if the enemy wants peace, but this enemy doesn't want peace.

They don't stop. I mean, we passed that stage long time ago. So when we say that, okay, I made a peace deal with them, which, you know, the it was like the the whole agreement, you know, you tried. Okay. It failed.

So, okay, move on, you know, so solve the problem. And, we always discard what this group these groups want. Why? They are equal players. They have their own 50% in this game.

Why are we dismissing that? It's a little bit like self centered, what we want. Yeah. But look at what they want. And I think it's it's really important when I see Europe is that, you know, when I heard President Trump said, we make America great again, you know, we are superpower.

And, it's like being the big brother. Because I can see that Europe is doing what, you know, following the American flow. But, you know, to be powerful and being big also requires and comes with responsibility. And and I think this is what decision makers and politicians need to understand. You have to take the responsibility and you have to be very careful with it.

Because if you don't take responsibility to be great or being powerful, that has serious consequences.

Mhmm. Mhmm. What recommendations and this is the last question. What recommendations do you have for the Trump administration? What did they need to fix first?

From this point of view, first is that they need to see what happened in the last 4 years. It's kind of, you know, damage assessment. You you you have to see what happened. And it's really important for them to be ready to see the ugly truth because Jihadi's groups are our proxies. And I don't know how can you turn that around.

And you have to identify lobbyists in the United States from the Muslim Brotherhood, from Al Qaeda, from the Taliban. You have to find them, and you have to isolate them. If they are double citizens, you know, just rip off the citizenship, go home, please. You know, you you're a you are personal nongrata here. And also see that, you know, someone used this, so it's really not my words.

Al Qaeda, I mean, terrorism is like a tumor, you find it. And it has been growing in the last 4 years. So you can't do that to ignore it. So the the coming administration has to deal with it. They will not have another choice.

Why? Because it's already here. 1 of the I mean, the spreading cancer cells we are having here and we are having in Europe. So you they don't have a choice. And the other thing, what I would really love to see finally from someone being active and not reactive.

Yeah. Me too. Me too. Me too. I don't know exactly where we would start, but everything seems reactive now.

I think where we would start is prepping the local communities

Mhmm.

And getting them up to speed on this and allocation of resources, hardening up school security, hardening up arenas, hardening up stadiums, figuring out how we detect these invisible bombs. I think those would be the in my opinion, those would be the first steps on what we need to do to start to secure this.

It's kind of urgent. Yeah.

It is. Instead of waiting until the next 1 happens, and then you get that local community ready when it's already gonna be somewhere else. Yeah. And so I think I'm with you. The administration needs to get the local communities to be more proactive.

There needs to be more funding. Yeah. You know? I lied. I said there was 1 last question.

I have 1 more. We just saw these wildfires

Yes.

In California, specifically in Los Angeles. If I remember correctly, Al Qaeda said that they would burn our cities to the ground. Yeah. Is there a possibility that that have you? Let's take all speculation out.

Do you have any intelligence from your assets, your sources that that was instigated by terrorism?

No. No. It was not. At least that's what I've got. It was not.

But they they praised it. So it was heartbreaking to see. But, yeah, they praised it. I I I checked it. I asked it, and my information is no.

They didn't have anything to do with I think it was an eco terrorist, but it's you know, who knows? Obviously, you know, I I can't I don't know everything.

So that's

So I I'm I'm I I I asked them, and they said, no. No. No. It has nothing to do with them. I I think, you know, the the most powerful person in Al Qaeda Central is Saif al Adel.

And recently, we could get the translation of his book. The guy is a genius. He he he talks about strategy. He talks about innovation, targets, allies, leadership. He is a genius.

Should we go under that? I mean, yeah, it's it's it's it's a detailed, what his ideas it's it's it's a military strategy book, how leadership should look like. I mean, I would even give it to my country's politician is really because this is what we need, leadership. He's writing about lessons and learn. He's writing about don't, don't get stuck with victory.

Go through the losses, mistakes, because that's how you develop. It's amazing. I suggest the new administration to read his book because it's just very impressive. This is how Aker is. When we look at the the organization itself today, that book represents the level they are, and I don't see they are on the lower level than us.

Did we see did we discuss the strategy within the interview a lot of it?

Yeah. Mhmm.

How are his what are his leadership principles? What stuck out to you?

Loyalty. That's that's the first 1. Commitment, that's that's also the others. But it's run by, very sophisticated military organization. Very sophisticated and flexible.

So they don't have that rigid rule. It's it's it's it's very good. I mean, I was very impressed when I read it.

What is the book?

33 Strategies. I'm I'm going to send you and I'm going to see if we ever I mean, some places we can make it available because I I wish people could read it, especially decision makers, because they could see this is not a guy running around in Afghanistan with an AK 47.

He's a mastermind.

Yeah. And this guy, I mean, his book could stand West Point or Sandhurst.

You hear that? Any US politicians, any leadership in the country, 33 strategies, You're gonna send me a copy? Yes. It'll be translated? Yes.

Will it be digital?

It's it's already translated. Yes.

Can I disseminate it through our newsletter?

Yeah. I think so.

I'll put it in our newsletter when we receive it. You can download it for free. Have your staff read it if you don't have the time to. But sounds pretty clear to me that we need to pay a lot of attention to that book, that Mastermind 33 Strategies. Jane, thank you so much for coming.

I really appreciate it. And, I hope the next time we run into each other, it's, better news. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you. Thank you.

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