Transcript of Should They Waive The Hall Of Fame Wait Period For Jagr? | SDP

Jarmer Jagger will officially retire. He's full of poop. Sad. At the end of the season. Should I kept playing? I know. Just to just... He looked good. You were right. We saw the clips from the Czech League. He looks good. At 52, Jarmer Jagger, this is from Chris Johnson, Jaromar Jäger, picked up an assist on the first goal scored by his team in the Czech League this season. His pending entry into the Hockey Hall of Fame will be pushed to 2028 at the earliest. Now-no.

Here's what- That's pooh.

Here's what bothers me about this. Everything. When Gretszky retired, he got a pass right into the Hall of Fame. Instant. They're like, Oh, yeah. Because the whole customary thing is you got to wait three years. Yeah. Three years after retirement. And the idea behind the three-year rule, which made sense a long time ago, was we want to make sure you don't make a comeback like Guy Lafleur, who retired and was like, You know what? I do want to play for the Rangers a few years later. And he was pretty good. I think in this particular case, I don't know that you can have a Mount Rushmore of Hockey, or at least maybe even a top five, I guess, and not have Yeramir Jagr on it. We're talking about not one of the best players to have existed in his era. We're talking about one of the best players to have existed ever. If you make the concession for Gretsky and Lemieux, you make the concession for Yager. You put them in as soon as you can. You know why you do it? What did they do with Orr? It's good for marketing.

Yeah. I want to know what they did with Orr.

Let's find out. Bobby Orr.

There's been a number of players in NHL history who've had the waiting period wait for them. It not only includes Wayne Gretzky, but also Dick Klapper in '47, Maurice Richardd in '61, Ted Lindsay in '66, Red Kelly in '69, Terry Sauchuck in '71, posthumously. Jean Belliveau in '72, Gordie Howe in '72, Bobby Orr in '79, Mario in '97, and Gretsky in '99. Nine. That's the fullest.

So for a lot of those guys, you're acknowledging you're the best player of your time, or you died. And Jarmer Jagger has not played an NHL game since 2018. It has been a very long time since you could consider him in the conversation for best player ever. They're not going to waive it for him.

That's bullshit. There was something- Where did he finish in total points in NHL history?

He second. I don't even have to look it up.

And that's with missing some seasons, by the way. He went and played in Russia.

So this is the thing with Jarmer Jagger, and I was going to write about it in my book, but it was something I left behind because I was like, this is too much work. And also you have to put rules on it. So who has the most points in NHL history? Gretzky. Wayne Gretzky by a Country Mile. Who has the most professional points?

That British guy.

Ever. Well, Tony Hand is his name.

Adam hates Tony Hand.

I don't know why. Adam. I've heard the story a million times. It's like, wow, do you guys know the story? It's like every meme account out there, it's like, I'm going to put a slideshow together. Do you know the Tony Hand story? And there's always a billion people who are like, never heard the Tony Hand I've heard a story before. This is insane. And I'm like, okay, I don't know how you haven't heard it.

When do you? Because new people are born all the time.

This is insane. I don't know how this happens. People learn things every day. And I don't know why you-No, not the Tony Hand one. I don't know why you can't get a word like that. People learn things. I'm looking I'm looking it up.

No. I'm looking it up. I'm not telling the goddamn Tony Hans to write it.

Okay, what I wanted to look up is the all-time leading games played and points scored professionally. But then I was like, okay, you got I'm not going to put guardrails on... At some point, you got to be like, I'm not counting this league, right? So for Tony Hand, and this is going to offend a lot of Brits, I'm sorry, but do you count the British League? No.

In the '80s?

No. Okay. Do you count the Czech League?

Sure. When?

Well, it's good now. How good was it back then? Do you count second-tier Czech League? No. Do you count Germany in 94, 95? Do you count Italy? I mean, these are one game stints that he played there. It's an interesting conversation, but he scored 1921 NHL points. And then in all other league, you probably tack on at least another 500.

I think what it comes down to is we know what Jogger is to the game of hockey, and everybody else who's on that list I just read of who you made an exception for with the three-year waiting period, and also the guys who were in the Hall of Fame and also active NHL players like How, Lafleur, and Lemieux, who played while Hall of Famers, there were exceptions. And these rules aren't set in stone because you've bent them a dozen times over the years.

No, but you got to get Colin Campbell in there.

Oh, my God. We don't need to talk about that again.

The Yaggers never tried to make the league up there.

No.

If you've made all of these exceptions over the years, and there's one very obvious person you could make another exception for, just do it. Your rules are made up by you, and you change them willy-nilly all the time.

Yeah, it's like... What? I mean, all right, well, we can't just go bend in the rules for everyone. Well, who is it? It's Jarmer Jagger.

He's on the second leading score all time.

The guy who's not everyone. Yeah. Oh, that's crazy. That's crazy. I don't know.

Maybe we should change the rule. Let's just say this. A Jagger Hall of Fame ceremony, it's going to do more numbers than Pierre Turgeon. I'm sorry. Who the hell went in last year? Was it it was Turgeon? I don't think you need to disparage it.

You don't need to I understand.

I'm not disparaging.

I'm saying there's a bit of a fucking difference. It's a good marketing play. Are you kidding me?

I understand.

I understand what you're saying.

No, you're right. Pierre Turgeon would disagree with that.

I understand what you're saying, but it didn't-I am not motivating Pierre Tourjan's career. It didn't need to be said to help the argument?

What other Hall of Famers stink? Let's go through the list.

One of those where you're like, Come on, guys. Put them in the Hall of Fame.

Paul Dria, I'm not sure. I'm just not sure.

Listen, they all- Dino, he never won.

Dino never won.

Matt, we got to have a conversation. There are people that make that argument, and I think they're full of shit.

It's ridiculous to make this man wait for his Hall of Fame induction.

It's my point.

Just to look back on, and again, we got to explain Tony Hand because new people come into the world. Let's explain Jarmy Jaggard.

Okay, please. Let's explain Jarmy Jaggard. I'm interested.

Some people are just going to know him as the old guy who played forever. He won a Stanley Cup in 1991 in his first year in the league. He won a Stanley Cup in 1992 in his second season in the league. 1995, Art Ross is leading score. 1998, Art Ross is leading score. 1999, Art Ross is leading score. 1999, Hart as MVP. 1999, Lester B. Pearson as MVP voted by the players. 2000, Art Ross is leading score. 2000, Lester B. Pearson, MVP as voted by the players. 2001, Art Ross is the NHL's leading score. 2006, Lester B. Pearson, best player as voted by the players. And 2016, Bill Masterton trophy that he got for just being there. Good. It Jarmy or Jogger. There was a time where I think it was a 20-year stretch, where no human being won a scoring title who wasn't named Gretsky, Lemieux, or Jogger. He's up there.

He needs to be.

He belongs in the conversation, and making him wait another three years is funny, but I think it's also unnecessary.

So no disrespect to the Turgeon family. I just want to say that.

I was a big fan of Turgeon. The family?

Where did the family get her?

I don't know. Maybe one of them is the thing of the Turgeon family. Them members is listening of the Tershon family.

You're digging a hole.

I'm not digging a hole. I think they would agree, Jogger will do better numbers. Just throwing that out there.