Transcript of Deadline Day | The Steve Dangle Podcast

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The Steve Dangle podcast with your host, Steve Dangle, Adam Wild and Jesse Blake.

Hello, everybody. Welcome The Trade Deadline Livestream. I'm Adam Wild. That's Steve Dangle, and that extraordinarily handsome, tall, beautiful man in the red.

You already introduced me.

What are you doing? You already said Steve Dangle.

Is Drew in the next... No, I'm kidding. It's Jesse Blake. But the whole crew's on site today, which is cool for us because a lot of work at Sdpn is done from home. And so it's good. We got a packed building. We got a crazy trade deadline. We thought this might be on Wednesday, a dud, but this has turned out to be one of the best trade deadlines any of us can remember. Why don't we stop?

What do you mean? You know what? I think the Four Nations is going to be a dud. I didn't say that.

I don't know what you're talking about.

Well, there are some people. Yeah, there's some people. You know why? And I think they should stop people.

You know why? Because it's easier to be negative. Because you know what? Sometimes people are like, I'm just going to be negative. So if it is bad because it's hard to make something good, then I look like I'm the smartest guy in the room.

And you know what, Adam? It gets the clicks.

It does get the clicks.

Those people are just looking for It's a click. It's a negative.

It couldn't be me. It could not be me.

True. Bars, Jesse Blake Bars. Now, so this is a live stream podcast, but it is a normal podcast. The difference, though, is we'll be checking in with the press conference multiple times. So if you have super chats and that thing, questions you want to ask. I understand that there's a lot of people in the chat. We're going to try to get to them all.

No, wait. We got to prove to people that this is actually live. How? Penis.

Okay, all right. We really wish... I wish we didn't do that. Okay. What? No, I'm kidding. Let's start with, I think, where our fandom starts. It's a big, big day if you're a Leifs fan. It's a big, big day if you're a Bruins fan. It's a big, big day if you're a Panthers fan. It's a big, big day if you're an Ottawa Senator's fan. So we're doing-Stars. Stars. Well, I was just going to say Atlantic Division. That's where I Sort of starting with that. But yeah, stars had a big day. Avs had a big day. Vegas, quiet day, but still did make a move. And some really perplexing days from teams like Carolina, Detroit, not sure what's going on there, and a few others. I don't want to get too negative. I want to get it negatory. Okay? No, you don't want to. Let's start with what we've just learned. We know that Brad Marshan is on his way to Florida. That It follows Seth Jones being on his way to Florida a few days ago with some salary retained for the next five years. Brad Marshan's contract, it's looking like the deal, and it's not totally confirmed yet, but the deal is a 2027 second round pick.

That's it. That will conditionally move to a 2028 first if certain conditions are met. You can't trade a 2028 first, but you can trade a 2027 draft pick that turns into a '28 because technically, it's a 2027. Still don't know what the conditions are, but I got to ask you first as a Lee fan, okay? How does the prospect of Brad Marshan joining up with Sam Bennett and Matthew Kuchuk and the Monstars in Florida, what feeling does it fill you with?

Dread, anger, whatever emotion the Joker had when he was laughing for real and because he had that weird tick. I didn't like that film. I liked the previous version of the Joker. Anyway, Maddie pointed out that that is probably the craziest 180 in emotions I've ever had in these studios. It was announced that Marshan was going to the Panthers, and I was writhing in pain like I was being haunted by Nosferatu. Did he appear in your bedroom and did you make out with him?

Just Brad Martian going to the Panthers.

Hated it? Hated it a lot. Dude, it's a nightmare. It's a nightmare. They could potentially line up in the first round It's not against the Bruins. The Bruins finally miss the playoffs. It's ding, ding, the witch is dead, for at least the time being. They could come back next year and be fine and dandy. They're not now. Now they're gone. Ha! Marshand has been traded to the Panthers. No! No! Have I made myself clear? No!

I think he doesn't love it.

I hate it a lot. And of all the places... Why didn't... You know what? Patriotism can blind you. My spidey Spidey Senses should have... I just heard myself scream down the hall because there's a delay. No. There should have been. My spidey senses should have been tingling when Marsha got put on a line with Sam Bennett at the Four Nation Face-off. The prospect of putting them with Matthew Kchuck. I want to die.

Yeah.

Winning the division is necessary. It is a borderline requirement to enter the Stanley Cup playoffs today. Oh, my God. Who wants to play the Florida Panthers round one? Raise your hand. Raise your hand, boys and girls.

Anyone? Matthew Kuchuk in the lineup or not. Don't want to play that.

No, I don't want to play him with or without. No. You. Yucky no, no. No, thank you. I don't want that at all. So I was devastated and angry and sad and turned on, but in a frightened That's the way? It was an awful two or three minutes or so. Then we find out the leaves are getting Brandon Carlo from the Boston Bruins. What's funny, a lot of you probably haven't seen it yet. We did a video about... It was the Charlie Coil, Casey Middlestat Trade. I was like, You know what? I really like this deadline from the Bruins because they're selling and they're getting assets, but they're also staying competitive. They They have aspirations of playing meaningful games down the stretch. Who knows? Maybe you tweak in, play a few playoff games. Who knows? And then bang, bang. One after the other. They get rid of Carlo, which really surprises me because it's not really a move they had to do. And they get rid of Marsha. There's no way they make it.

But it's not their goal anymore. It's not It's not their goal. They're waving the white flag. They know that they have to retool for next season based on this entire season, how it's gone. If you've watched any Bruins games, you know they don't have it. The amount of leads I've seen them cough up on a Saturday before the Leaps game. It's unbearable if you're a Bruins fan.

You know what? There's a greater than zero % chance of happening, though. The Florida Panthers win the Atlantic, and the Bruins get into one of the wild card spots and play the Panthers.

There's no way. That would be fun.

It's not going to happen, but it would be psychos.

That would be fun. So the Florida Panthers get Brad Marshan. He fits their DNA perfectly. It couldn't...

No assembly required.

So the Panthers stand on the shoulders of Giants, and the Giants are Brad Marshan and Zdeno Char, and Patrice Bergeron. And I have a crazy stat for you guys. You ready? No. This will be the first time since 2002 that a Bruins' roster will not feature one of Patrice Bergeron, Brad Marshan, or Zdeno Char. Talk about continuation.

I always got I'm offended when people remark how many gray hairs I have.

First time since grade nine, Steve.

It is incredible the amount of hair I have, period, given that fact.

That you don't have a beautifully bald head right now.

Absolutely. You know how they're always like, Oh, well, it's actually your mother's father. Yeah, he was bald. All right? Stop telling me that. It doesn't make me comfortable. It doesn't make me feel good about it. The fact, I mean, the Bruins are There's a reason I have a reverence for them. I hate them viscerally. But the reverence is they always go out and they find the brewniest brewins that ever brewned, which is why I'm very I'm concerned that they got Fraser Mitten.

But what I'm talking about is Florida, though, is they seem to have... They're the next brewns.

I think they're the current Bruins. You don't need to be the next to anything when you're the reigning Stanley Cup champions. They're looking to just continue be in the Panthers. How many rentals were there today? Rantanin is not a rental. Not a whole lot.

There were some.

Marshan is a pure rental. But But Seth Jones, that's a forward-thinking move. Brandon Carlos is forward-thinking. Scott Lawton is forward-thinking. Trying to think around the league here. It's a new world where the buyers and the sellers and the buyers are trying to think forward. Marshand is one of the few pure rentals we saw today.

Yeah, and an absolute DNA fit Jesse.

If you listen to Wednesday's podcast, you heard me say this. Who would do that? But the Florida Panthers, I think, are the most disrespected Stanley Cup champions ever because people don't look at them as a juggernaut that are the reigning Cup champions that should be a problem for any team in this league. And that's exactly what they are. And once they get to the playoffs and the entire lineup is healthy, aka Kachuk comes back, you have a top six of Verhege, Barkov, Reinhardt, Marshan, Bennett, Kachuk. That's the best playoff top six in the I put that distinction on the top six and that it's a playoff top six because that can play playoff hockey like no other because of the compete, because of the level that the Kachucks and Marcian can get to. Plus, you have Barcov in there who's the best defensive center in the world. I think nobody can compete with this team right now, especially in the East.

On their third line is Lindell Lusterinen and whoever wins the lottery of getting to play with those two. Then your fourth line, whoever is on it, your The fourth line on a Paul Maurice coach team. Your goal and objective every shift is murder.

Who's on it?

Right now, Jesse, AJ Greer. Huge. Nico term. He won a cup as a depth player with the Aves in 2022, and Jona Gajovitch.

Then that's not to mention the defense, where I think their top four is the best in the East, where you have Forzling, Ekblad, Mikola, Seth Jones, who had just recently acquired. Then in net, you the guy who just went four rounds of playoffs and we're like, Oh, Bob's cooked four different times in his career and was the best goalie in the playoffs. This team is unbelievable. They deserve more respect, and we should all look at them as the top of the mountain, and everybody's got to take that belt from them because they're holding it right now.

Now, I know Dallas and Colorado have some pretty formidable top sixes as well. I would put Toronto in there, too. But I would not... Hey, not necessarily to the same level, but any team that's got Austin Matthews, William Nylander, and Mitch Marner, it's going to be pretty good. Play Half top sixes, though, in the Cap era, that might be the best one. We'll see. We'll see what the result is. But think about anything that Pittsburgh put out. I know they included Crosby, but who was he playing with? Think about anything that LA did. Think about anything that Chicago did. And the talent is spread. It's not one or two players. They're just every one of them sucks in the best way.

Yeah. There's not a single player in that Florida top 6, where you're like, All right, let's see what he can do.

You already know. Yeah. This is Ninth Circle of Hell for any team that plays them in the first round.

There was a time where it was like, Brian Rust. Well, let's see what he can do.

And then we found out what he could do. Yeah. Nick Bonino, Chris Kunitz.

Well, let's see what he can do. But RIP, the HBK line. This is stupendously formidable.

Crazy. And Steve mentioned, of course, that there was a huge dramatic flare up here, and probably where you are, if you're a lead fan, when you saw Brad Marshan go to Florida. Followed by an emotional swing in the other direction when it started to leak out that the Toronto Maple Lefs had made a trade. Now, we knew, just based on a James Myrtle tweet that something was going on. And then we knew that a pick and a prospect were going, but we didn't know what was going. And then we saw, and David Alter was the one that I think that caught this, Connor Timmins being pulled off the ice. And so, so far, what we know is that Connor Dimons and Connor Duhre, the Conners, are on their way to Pittsburgh. This has nothing to do with the Carlo trade, but it does because it's salary, but it's not technically It's going to be a three-way trade. You needed it. There is a low round pick coming back. We still don't quite know what it is yet as of my last checking of Twitter.

Can I just say that's crazy?

Let me just outline that. Sure, sure, sure. And then, and we'll break that down and we'll start there. And then Fraser He's a intermittent first-round pick, and we believe Brandon... Well, we know Brandon Carlo, and we believe Brandon Carlo somewhat retained, not just this year, but for two more years.

He makes $4. 1 million. Which is already a great deal. Next year and the year after. It ain't bad 6'5, 216.

What do you call that? Bief.

His goal horn should just be, Moo.

I don't think he scores, but- Although he doesn't score very much. Now, Before we get to what Brandon Carlo does for the Leaps, let's talk about Kyle Dubas. What do we know about Kyle Dubas?

He's from Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario. Yeah.

Grip of Sense fan. Yeah.

Got his start as Assistant GM of the Toronto me, please.

What is he passionate about?

The Sioux Greyhounds, Thick Frame Glasses, Analytics, Chinese Proverbs, and Kyle Dubas. A friend of mine always told him, make him wait. Loves his guys. Absolutely adores them. Why? Tucks them in at night. Checks on them, makes sure they're eating right. He loves his guys.

Can you get louder so we can hear the feedback from the other room?

Loves his guys.

How many times has he acquired Connor Timmons now?

Well, so I was going to ask you that. Connor Timpins. At least twice. At least twice. Connor Timpins, obviously, was a Kyle Dubas signing. The contract he is on was one that Dubas signed with him.

That's right. He traded for him, and then he signed him.

And he got him from Arizona, right?

Yes. In exchange for a big guy whose name I forget.

That's okay. Now, why are Connor Timmins and Connor Duhre, who was a Brad for Living trade last year at the trade deadline, why are they Kyle Dubas guys?

Well, Connor Timmins was a Sioux Greyhound. I want to say, a former second-round pick. He was very highly touted, played Team Canada with the World Juniors, I think, dealt with injuries, and that's why his career didn't take off the way it should have. I thought he was going to be loaded into a cannon at the beginning of the season and fired into the sun or wherever he landed in front of it. He ended up playing pretty well. But as the season went on, it's like, okay, better than expected doesn't necessarily mean good. They go out and get Carlo, you don't need Connor Timmins anymore. Even if there's an injury, there's Philippe Myers, who I think they like better anyway.

I actually like Philippe Myers' play a lot more than I like Timmins or Benoît. And not to say that I'm not denigrating them. I'm just saying I think Philippe Myers brings something that the other guys don't.

Chris Tannum has been out. So who's playing higher in the lineup? It's It's been Myers. Whenever Reilly has needed a partner, was it Timmins? No. Not often. It was Myers, right? So Meyers is probably going to be, I guess, their seventh D. Sixth. Whatever. Well, because there's Benwa, too. Yeah, right. And Timmins makes $1. 1 million, which is too much million dollars for this team. They load him into a cannon. They get Brandon Carlo. As for Connor Duhre, man, that guy provides the exact brand of busy nothing that Dubis loves. Producer Hayden is a Minnesota Wild fan. He's sitting out there. And I want it to be studied how Connor Duhre scored double-digit goals with the Minnesota Wild last year in less than a full season. I need that studied. How the hell did it happen? He played 48 games as a member of the Toronto Maple Leaps in the regular season and another bunch in in the playoffs, and he scored one goal. In a 2-1 loss in game seven to Boston, he probably had the Leaps' best chance to ice the thing on a breakaway. There's always a breakaway in game seven in Boston that the Leaps don't score on.

And Connor Duhre was that in game seven. He's like Alex Kerfoot without the talent. I The scoring talent.

He's a good defensive player.

Yeah. Well, and when he was acquired for a fourth-round pick last year, the thought was this guy can help out the Leaps' penalty kill.

Which needed help. Yeah.

And then they go out and they get Scott Laughton, who led all Philadelphia flyers forwards in penalty kill time.

Don't give up too much on Scottie Laughton.

Oh, I won't. And you have David Kempf and Mitch Marner and Kelly Yarn croaks back. And all of a sudden, and Steven Lawrence, who's going to be in the lineup and Connor Duhre isn't. You don't need Connor Duhre. Duhre makes over a mill, not much more, but he does. Timmins makes over a mill, not much more, but he does. You had to get rid of both of them. The fact the Leaps have reportedly gotten an asset from the Penguins for the services of those two is shocking to me. I thought the Leaps would have had to pay.

Interesting. Yeah. Well, Jesse, with Timmins and Duhre and Pittsburgh, we're just going to keep it to that for now.

Okay. Then we'll get to- Focus on Pittsburgh. Okay.

For a Brad rating, what do you give Brad on that?

For sending them out?

Yes.

I applaud Brad for Living for being able to dump those assets because I truly didn't think that the Leaps had enough capital to get a deal like Carlo done. I thought he was going to sit on his hands a little, not do something like this where you get a swing, and it takes a little finagling to make the salary work. That's what was required here. Kudos to him for getting back a late round pick for somebody to take your assets for you. Yes.

He helped the Leaps for no good reason.

Finding the GM that valued Timmins and Duhre enough to pay you for them when you needed the help?

Do you think Shani was like, Hey, you know who might like these guys?

My old buddy, the guy who tried to take my throat.

Tell me Tobi Niemel is in the deal. That would just be perfect.

Is this not a really wonderful piece GMing to get somebody to do you a favor when you needed the help? They could have raked him over the calls for this.

I will say, Duhre is 25, Timmins is 26. I don't know. Listen, I'm trying to throw Dubas above.

Oh, yeah. No, no. Dubas did what he did because he likes the guy.

It's good depth for a team that's not going to probably be in the playoffs next year.

Do I think Dubas should have just taken them for future considerations in a better negotiation? Yes. I don't think you should be paying for for assets when the other guy needs you to do this so that he can get Brandon Carlo. I don't know who else around the league was willing to take Timmerster Doer, but I think Dubas probably paid whatever that late round draft is. That's too much.

Now, the Leifs Blue Line shakes out as follows. Morgan Reilly, 6'1, 225 pounds. Jake McCabe, 6'1, 212 pounds. That's surprising. Chris Tanev, 6'3, 3, 199 pounds. Oel, 6'2, 192 pounds. Brandon Carlos, 6'5, 220 pounds. Brief. Philip Myers, 6'5, 219 pounds. Brief. And Simo Benwa, 6'4, 211 pounds. Do you think the Leaps have a brand?

Yeah, they're guys, but their guys are cows.

Now, the trade between Toronto and Boston, and again, we still don't know what salary story would have been retained, if any. With Brandon Carlo, things are still being hammered out on that front. The trade is a first-round pick, 2026. Don't know if there's any protections, but I assume not because the Leaps already dealt their 2027 first, and we'll get to that. That's interesting. 2026 first and Fraser Mitten. And this is Brandon Carlo coming back. And we talked about this a little bit in some of the videos that we put out today. The Leifs' penalty kill has been mid this year. I believe it's 14th best, which is extremely mid. In the playoffs, it's the special team battles that win you those games.

It's killed them nearly every year.

Let's talk just about Brandon Carlo on shorthand. He's, by the way, right shot deep.

So Scott Lotton, I talked about leading the Flyers forwards. Brandon Carlo, I knew he killed penalties for the Bruins. Oh, my God. He's played 177 minutes and 47 seconds of shorthanded time for the Bruins this year. That leads the team. Nikita Zdorow is second with 144 minutes and 31 seconds. So Brandon Carlo has played more than half an hour more shorthanded time than any other Bruin. He plays nearly three minutes a night shorthanded for Boston, 2 minutes and 49 seconds a game. Zdorow is second at 2: 15, which is... Oh, sorry. Hampus Lindholme leads the Bruins 3 minutes, 19 seconds, but he's only played in 17 games. Brandon Carlo has had to carry a lot of that load, and Zdorow is just way behind. The Leifs. I think the happiest member of the Leaps organization today is Lane Lambert because he got two absolute horses for their PK. Like, I wonder, do we see a boost in play from David Kampf? He doesn't have to be the guy on the PK anymore? Because every now and then you see him make a play and you're like, Was that David? David Kemp doesn't know how to do that.

Yeah. And then he does. And Brandon Carlo is Yanny Hockenpa, except plays, which I think is pretty cool. It's always good when you get Yanny Hockenpa, but he plays. Right. What did I belly ache about all week leading up to the trade deadline before the Yanny Gordon, Oliver Bjork strain moves? I didn't want to give up any of the prospects are the firsts for rentals. That scares me because that's a potential down the line issue. There's no guarantee you're going to win this season. Lottin is locked up to another year, Carlo to another two. That's crazy. That's a lot of teams spent a lot of assets this deadline on guys who they may never see again, like after the next 20, 30 games. That's not the case for the Leaps. Their entire decor is locked up for at least the next two years. That's insane. Tanev, OEL, Reilly, McCabe just signed his extension.

Carlo.

Carlo.

Benwa has got another year. Benwa, two.

Two years. He's got another two. Philippe Meyers signed an extension, people forget. Marshall Refay, even, who hasn't played a game for them this season.

He's been called up a lot, though.

He's been called up a lot. I want to say he signed a three-year extension. Yeah. This summer... All right. What else you want to focus on? You know how many teams are going to be like, Well, we got to do something with our decore. The Leaps literally don't need to touch it. Oh, what should they do in net?

Sign the guys that they have.

No. Stollers has a year left and extension kicks in.

Just work on Stollers as extension.

Literally just extend Stollers and we'll all have a Merry Christmas. Yeah. That's it. Then you spend all your time just worrying about your forwards. What is the most plentiful position? Who are the guys who are always available?

Forwards.

Forwards. It was centers? Do you know any? Oh, the one who's contract is expiring on the leaves and he wants to stay here? John's a... Okay, so extend him and then figure out the wings.

Now, let's get back here, though, because I just want to stay on track here. I'm going for a little walk. What do you think about the cost of... And then I'm going to have to... We're going to go to a quick check-in with Jesse with the chat. I want to know what you think about Fraser Mitten and that first pick going.

Steve.

Guys, everybody, when this This happened before and Mitten was in the deal, tell everybody how sad you were.

I like Fraser Mitten, so I didn't like that he was traded at all. I liked even less that he was traded to the Boston Bruins. But What? Kyle Cushman, I thought, put it perfectly. Fraser Mitten probably tops out as a third or fourth liner. So congratulations to him for his 2031 Norris. No, not Norris.

Not going to win the Norris.

Selky. He might win the Norris. Who Maybe he... Hart. He plays under Lindholme and McAvoy and discovers his love of defense.

Yes. No, I think he's a guaranteed Hart Trophy winner now.

What I was surprised by is 2031, you think it's going to take that long? No, but he's going to be a good player for that.

This is what prospects are for for good teams. You need help now. You turn Minton into a Brandon Carlo because you want to be good now. We can't, unfortunately, wait till he's useful for this team, which might be not even next season, year after, where he has that permanent spot in the lineup, and we don't have that time. The least need to win a couple of rounds now, and that's how we're going to get this help by sending out these prospects. Kudos to the least organization for drafting someone that people want.

Yes.

Because This pick could have been a dud, and you could have had to do something else.

Do you remember how they got the pick?

Explain.

They traded down in the draft in 2022 so that they could unload Peter Mrazic. To the Chicago Blackhawks. The pick that the Leaps dropped down to was number 38. They picked Fraser Mitten, and they helped turn Fraser Mitten into Brandon Carlo, who is going to be a defenseman for them for the next two and a half years, at least.

It's not bad. Fraser Mitten, by the way, is topping out from all prognostications, the best they hope for is a third-line center. The issue is that what would hold him back, I think, is the lack of offensive upside they believe that they see. And That's not a bad thing, by the way. No, it's not a bad thing. Charlie Coyle is an awfully good 3C. So it's Scott Lotton.

The Leaps just paid a first-round pick for a third-line center today. Charlie Coyle, Casey Mittelstad. These guys are coveted. These guys are needed. But just to give you an idea, he had four points, two of them goals in 15 games with the Leaps this season. He had a cup of coffee at the beginning of last season, four games, no goals. But even in the AHL, 13 points in 26 games. That's half a point a game The offense isn't crazily there. He's a hard working kid, really positive attitude. The team obviously really likes him. Not enough to keep him, I guess, but they really, really liked him. You got to give something to get something Right, Jesse? Yes. Absolutely. 6'2, 195. That number, 195, is going to go up.

One day, he'll return to Toronto. Damn, it sounds like a prune. Probably his first game in Toronto, he'll score against the least. Now, Jesse, I just want to tease for everybody. If you're wondering when your team's coming up, don't worry. We got lots to talk about. We will talk about Scott Laughton, but I want to check in with our crew. Then we're going to throw it a break and come right back. So, Jesse, what are people saying in the chat? What's Super Chat?

Sls had a Super Chat that said, What's a bigger shock? Marshan going to the Panthers or John cena turning heel?

For a hockey fan.

Marshan going to the Panthers. Wow. If I If I had to choose the ultimate... Someone was very upset behind the scenes about that. If I had to choose like, Hey, Marshan is getting traded. It's the worst possible scenario. Steve, which team is it? First word out of my mouth would have been Florida.

Right. First word. And it is the worst case scenario.

It's worst case in Ontario, and I hate it a lot.

Next one, Jess.

This is from Tyler. Thank you for the super chat. Tyler, he says, Hey, guys, what do you think is the bigger kick in the teeth for Boston, trading Marshan to Florida or trading Carlo to Toronto?

Which one? Marshan to Florida, a million %. He's their captain. He's their captain, won a Stanley Cup with them. How long has Brad Marshan been a frigging brewer? Brad Mar. Shit. Didn't he just play a thousand games? He's played a thousand and 90 games as a member of the Boston Bruins. A hundred and fifty seven Stanley Cup playoff games. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight double digit game playoff runs with the Boston Bruins, which is crazy because the most amount of leaf games I've ever covered since I started my YouTube channel 18 seasons ago was 11.

Two quick ones. Michael... The three quick ones. Michael, thank you for gifting five SDPN memberships. We appreciate you. Speedy says that they traded Costco gravy for their belly.

Yeah, Costco.

The third one, I... Here, Shay said, They really want to see a trade tree.

Remember I said it was going to be the three one?

Give me a Peter Morazek trade tree.

Like right now?

No, please don't. Please God, no.

I mean, you could. I mean, you sign Peter Morazek.

Let's not. Okay. Let's not do that.

Don't temp me.

Don't temp Steve for the good time.

Sorry, we got some breaking information on the Brandon Carlo deal. What is it? From Josh Clohe, Brad for Living is doing a press conference right now. The Bruins are retaining 15% on Carlos. So that's 15% for the rest of this season, 15% for each of the next two seasons.

About 450, 500 grand.

Well, 10 % would be $410,000.

Yeah. Yeah, something like that.

Adam and I didn't Excel at math.

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That is a quarter of the money that the Saudis paid to Steve.

That's not even close.

Not at all. Man, helicopters cost way more than that, Jessie. Come on now. My bad.

I couldn't spend that money in three lifetimes, Jessie. Come on.

So obviously, the Leaps also made a really interesting deal today with the Philadelphia Flyers to fill out their third line. And this is a big deal because if you watched the game in Vegas like I did overnight on an SDPN Live, you realize that it was just the third line was not working. Not working anymore. I had to make that deal. Scott Lawton goes to Toronto, Nikita Grubankin, and a 2027 first go to Philadelphia. That could slide to 2028. Yeah, it could slide to 2028. And what's interesting is Scott Lawton is 50 % retained, meaning that this year and next year, so next year really is where it matters, $1. 5 million for the Leaps third-line center. That's crazy. Which is pretty close to what an ELC will cost you anyway.

It's 900 grand less than David Kemp, I think.

So let's talk about Scott Lawton and how that changes the complexity of the lineup or complexion of the lineup. Or complex shun of the lineup.

Complex shun. Hey, Max Domi can do some stuff, right? Yeah, sure. He's pretty offensively capable character, right? He likes to hit and fight and stuff, right? Okay. How's his D? How's his defense? He's one of the most shocking defensive players I've ever seen. You simply can't go into the playoffs with him as a center. He's not a center in the NHL. Not on a good team. You go back to Chicago and have the season that you had in Chicago. There have been times this season where I'm just watching him futs around the ice, actually futs around like he won a contest. And I'm going, This guy had 13 points in 19 games in a Stanley Cup playoff run with the Dallas stars, like two years ago. What am I missing? What's going on? Is there an injury there? I don't know. Now he He moves back to the wing, whether it's the left or the right, I don't know. And that is the best news for everyone involved. Scott Lawton can bang in a few goals. Can he bang in a lot? But he can't. He scored against the Leaps this season with his face.

He can set up a few plays. He banks and crashes. The most important thing, Adam, where does he go?

The net. Because what do you always say?

Well, I always say go to the net.

No, I thought you always said go to center ice. Yeah.

I always thought you said go to the perimeter.

No, no. Here, I got a...

You know what?

Don't worry. There's plenty of those guys who listen to those instructions.

You should pass more. Why don't you guys pass? You guys are all so selfish.

No. What they should do is go to the net. And he does. We're going from a third-line center who is a non-option for a defensive zone start to a guy who the flyer and John Torterelle are dependent on as their most reliable penalty killing forward. That's a huge deal for the Leaps. Going forward into the offseason, I wonder what it means for someone like a Domi, someone like in the camp. But right now heading into the playouts, it just makes you... I think it really makes Brad... Brad? Craig. Thank you. Craig Berube's job so much easier because he doesn't have to look down his bench and go, Where should I go? No. Austin, John, David. You can't... There's too much work to be done with that damn line. Now you go out and get Scott Laughton. Now we're cooking. So here's how I see it shaken out, because I think a lot of people have Domi on the left, Laughton in the middle, Robertson on the right. Close. I have Yarn Croke on the left, Laughton in the middle, Robertson on the right, and Domi drops down to the fourth line for the time being.

And it's just funny how things work. Out of necessity, Out of Necessity... Click like, by the way. Click subscribe. Tell all your friends. Out of necessity, he was the first-line right wing. He did a good job. Out of necessity, it might be the best role for him on the fourth line. For him and for the team. Wow. There's no salary cap in the playoff. Put all 3. 75 million dollars on the fourth line. I don't care.

Okay. All right. Now, Scott Lawton and Brandon Carlo together. I think if you had told of the old leaf fans going into today that that's what they were going to walk away with, I think people would have been pretty satisfied. I think they wouldn't have been as shocked about Scott Lawton as they might be as I was for sure about Brandon Carlo. But I think it's also worth mentioning that the Leifs did give up some assets. They gave up first, and we keep saying it. And I think Tampa Bay general manager, whose name is-Julian Breeswell. Julian Breeswell said, I'd rather have a roster full of great players than a bunch of draft picks. And I get that. Here's the thing, you can find great draft picks elsewhere.

I think there's... I mean, Leef fans were a unique fan base in the whole trauma thing. We don't want to feel stupid. We're the only team doing something. But this year was a wild departure from that where we're like, it's one o'clock. The Leefs still haven't done anything. And you're like, Brad, I only have so many more of those left in me. Brad, what the hell? What are you doing? Anything? Anything. Tampa threw two first rounders out the door. Everyone is worth a first or a second this year. And it's like, all right, if you're the only team and you're paying the Toronto tax and you're going to look like stooges if you go out there and actually spend a first round pick, I don't love it. It was getting to the point where the Leaps were going to be the only team to not spend a first round pick. They threw them at the window. Tampa doesn't have any. Florida doesn't have any. Vegas doesn't have any. Frigin Colorado doesn't have any. None of the good teams have any. I don't think Dallas has any anymore. Get rid of them.

Hey, can I ask you guys a question? What? Yes. Who was, can you name the last Leaps selected in the first round with a pick that originated as a leaf's pick. The leaves have made picks in the first round, but they've always been someone else's first round pick. Who was the last leaf selected with a native leaf's first pick?

That is still a leaf?

No, Not necessarily. It doesn't have to be.

The last time the leaf selected in the first round with their pick. With their own pick. That's what you're asking. Okay. I'm going to guess 19, no.

Simathy Lilliegrin?

I'm going to guess 18.

Timothy Lilliegrin.

In 2017.

2017.

Oh, wow. Yeah. Crazy, huh? Now, they've had first round picks and that thing.

They've reacquired picks.

Absolutely. And Timothy was a 17th overall pick, if I believe, if I'm correct on that.

But that's the thing about this Leifs era. They have been one of the most successful regular season teams in the history of the Toronto Maple Leifs, which is over 100 years now. Because of that, this Matthews era where they've had great regular seasons, they haven't need that first-round pick because all picks are made the same. Those first-round picks that the Leifs have are in the '20s. They're in the late '20s because they're so good. So who needs to draft your own draft pick?

Something we're going to talk to Alan about a little bit coming up is we've seen a lot of teams take that road. And I think it's because part of it is the salary cap is going up so much over the next few years. You're going to be able to plug a lot of holes just by buying, which is not something we've seen for the last half decade or more. Now, the least did inquire about Ryan O'Reilly. He was not He's been on a reunion. The Leifs did get down the road with Braden Shen with the St. Louis Blues. Braden Shen didn't want to wave his no trade clause midseason. So fair enough, that's his contractual right. It is crazy that we are here and that Brad Treliving, who is known for being a very quiet, deadline guy. He believes in building in the summer, has done this. How do you, and I'm asking you in the chat as well, because I know there was a lot of anxious Lee fans going into this. I I saw you all on Twitter. I know. Tell me, how do you feel about it now? How do you feel about Brad Treliving's performance?

Let's give it a schoolyard grade. Is it A, B, C, D, E? Or not E, F?

We're skipping.

A, B, C, D, E, F.

Yeah, why do we do that?

I don't know why we do that. F for fail.

That's why. Yeah, but you get all the way to D and then you skip E.

Yeah. Poor E. I know.

I know. Couldn't E be-Just give me an answer.

No.

Listen, It's not over till it's over. We got to within 2 hours. We got really, really close. I was getting more and more upset. The one thing that made me feel a it better.

Someone said B for Brad.

Yeah, hell yeah. The one thing that made me feel better was everyone was getting creative, and I knew there was someone One out there we weren't thinking about. So a lot, and we were all thinking about, and then that trade happened, and I liked it. We did a video on that. Brandon Carlos shocked me. Shocked me. I had no idea that was in the cards.

That would have felt like a better than best case scenario for me. That's how I feel.

Heading in today, I never would have predicted the Leaps come out with two players of that quality. Nope, I was I'm talking about, Oh, Connor Murphy would be nice. Brandon Carlos? What the... What? Yeah, no, I'll take that.

The way I looked at it, or I'm looking at it now that we know everything that went down is, yesterday, the Leaps were a worse team than they are today. In the 24 hours that transpired over the last 24 hours, the Leifs are a better hockey team. I think that's all you're asking for out of your general manager is make your team better for this playoff push. I think Brad Chaliving did it. I think the Leaps, they didn't take anything off of their roster that would have impacted their playoff hopes. I don't think Connor, Timmins, or Duhre were that guy, and they added two pieces that make them better today. So I think that's all you can ask for out of your GM is creative GMing like that. So A for Bradja Living.

Okay. I'm going to give him an A as well. I think it was spectacular. The fact that you got retention on both deals. And remember, guys, as the cap goes up to 95, was it 95. 5 in the memo, it could go as high as 97 after adjustments are made. You're talking about Brandon Carlo at 3 or four % of your total cap. You're talking about Scott Laughton at 1 or two % of your total cap. That's pretty spectacular value.

A division rival to retain What is it? Like 600 grand? Each year? For two full years after this?

And that uses a retention slot.

Oh, that too. That right? I mean, I wouldn't expect the Bruins to be using it very much, but that's crazy.

It's crazy. It's pretty cool. Now, I want to move on to the team that really had the best day. The team that had the best day is the team that gets the best player. And the team that got the best player- Toronto Maple Beach, Scotland. Are the Dallas stars and Miko Rantanin. Now, there are rumors floating out there, and I don't know specifically what it is, but there are rumors that the Maple Lefs did have a massive deal on the table for Miko Rantanin, and that it was turned down. And I don't know exactly what the details of that were. But for whatever reason, it was not Miko that said no, it was the You can be pretty confident it was the two first-round pics the Leaps sent out the door.

And here's what the Dallas stars paid. Oh, I lost it. Oh, there it is. Logan Stankovan, a first-round pick in 2026, a first-round pick in 2028, a third-round pick in 2026, and a third-round pick in 2027. So the Leaps offered something better? I'm struggling As someone who knows the team pretty gosh darn well, I'm struggling to think about what the Leifs could have possibly offered.

They could have offered an equivalent. I don't think it'd be better.

Well, do the Leifs... So there's Danford, there's Cowen, there's Mitten. Are any of those guys on par with Logan Stankovan?

No, but maybe an aggregate. No, but maybe an aggregate. Yeah, combined, I think you get to a Stankovan type level of prospect.

Honestly, it could It would have been both first that they traded and all three of those guys.

Sure. Something like that.

Something like that.

Yeah, it would have been crazy, right?

But then you get Nico Rantz in it. That's the thing. All of those prospects are fun.

Not as a rental, I hope.

But then you have Nico Rantz No, the word was that he would have signed. Yeah.

That he could have. That would have been crazy.

Because the thing that was coming out, and I thought it was really weird, was the Nye's for Rantin. I never thought that was going to be a possibility. I don't think True Living is trading Nye's.

That And that's why the leaves apparently said no last night. Exactly. Yeah. But I'll be honest with you, if Rantin is available, I would take Mousse. And I love Matthew Nies, but I would take Moos.

Dallas didn't have to give up that type of player in that deal. I think Nye's is ahead of Stankovan right now.

In his development curve, but I think- Yeah, you're right.

And there's a way... The prospects that you outlined, Steve, is, I think, a more suitable deal for the least that is equivalent to what Dallas got Rantin for in the Stancoven deal.

Yeah. Stankovan has 29 points. Nies has 41. I mean, and 24 goals to Stankovan's nine.

He's also your first-line winger. Yeah, that's a huge difference. It's apples and oranges with Nize and Stancoven. That would have been a bigger ask from the leaf. I never thought True Living was going to do that. But if they were able to piece together those prospects and do Ranson in that way, it's different. But I guess Carolina didn't want that.

You know what's crazy? There's always going to be a draft another trade deadline, too. So you never know what can happen. But they do walk away with Danford and Cauen still on the team, which is great. I love that. Let's talk about Miko Rantin and going to Dallas and signing. And here's what's interesting. Greg Wischinsky reported that the Carolina Hurricanes deal was absolutely bigger than what Dallas ended up offering. The Carolina Hurricanes offered north of, from what we understand, $13 million a year. What Miko Rantan ended up signing was an eight-year contract with the Dallas Stars worth $96 million. So he doesn't quite get to the $100 million. I want to know now what the Colorado Avalanche were offering him because I almost feel like, Hey, man, maybe you should have just signed it. But the fact that the Canes got him for 13 games and I think six points, and Jack Rostlevic had to give up his number, but he got a free Rolex out of it. It's pretty cool. I guess Jack can have his number back. I'm wondering for Dallas, let's go through just their top nine. Can we do that? Yeah.

It's stupid.

It is one of the most unbelievable top nines you've seen in the entire Cap era. I'm going to run you through. You ready? So it's looking like Robertson Hince, Miko Rantanin. Marchmatt, Dushane, Grandland, who was also a Trade Deadline-ish pickup, right? Ben, Wyatt Johnson, who has 50 points already. He's insane. And Evgeny Dadoff, and then Oscar back, Sam and another stud that they're relying on to be great, Maverick Borg.

Mr. My Parents French Kiss on TV. Oh, yeah, that's right.

His Parents are the tongue kissers. Is that not Maverick Borg? No, that's Maverick Lamaril. The other Maverick.

Other Maverick. All right. So listen, it's easy to get your Mavericks mixed up. Yeah, my bad. So listen, Miko Rantan to the Dallas stars is so amazing, too, because I was listening to the CJ show yesterday, and CJ had this crazy stat. During the regular season, Miko Rantan's points per game is 1. 08. So you expect him to score just about every game. In the playoffs, it's 1. 25.

From Sports Net stats, Miko Rantan, highest points per game for a player dealt on NHL Trade Deadline Day since 1994 at 1. 13 points per game.

That's this season. It's 1. 13. That's this season.

Who was that 1994 player?

They didn't say on the graphic. They should have. Yes, you're right. They really should have. I mean, it's 1994. So it was probably like- Everyone. Everyone, yeah. That was a crazy season.

But let's talk about Dallas. That's a pretty scary lineup, huh?

Favorite in the West?

Got to be. I think so. And I would have given it to Colorado, maybe. If Dallas doesn't do the Rantan deal, Colorado gets Brock Nelson, which we're going to talk about. I think maybe you're like, Man, that's center devs pretty strong. I don't know how you go against Dallas.

I lean Vegas still because I think the six defensemen that they have are just so much better than what anybody else in the West can put out there and how big they are and the Stanley Cup experience. I think Vegas has got some juice this year, but Dallas is second to me.

So if the If the playoff start today, which they don't, but if the playoff starts today, Vegas plays Colorado.

Evil.

Wow. Evil. Dude, last year, Vegas got Dallas.

That was evil, too. They went up 2-0 and then choked it.

You blew it. Edmondson, LA, again. Dallas, Minnesota. A ritualistic sacrificial murder that would be the Winnipeg Jets versus the Calgary Flames. The Jets have 90 points, the Flames have 68. But Colorado overtakes Minnesota. All of a sudden, the first round is Dallas, Minnesota. Like earlier today- Dallas, Colorado, you mean? Sorry, Dallas, Colorado. Earlier today, I said there's no way anyone catches the Jets. What if Dallas catches them now? They're six points behind. They have a game in hand.

I think Winnipeg is locking up that President's trophy.

I mean, probably. They're frigging seven, two, and one in their last 10. So was Dallas, but they've won four straight. Dallas could win out, and they still might not win enough to get that spot. I was so sure for so much of the season that Edmonton was just going to run over everybody. Unless they show us something over the next few weeks, it might be a short spring.

Well, we're saving them.

Let's focus on Dallas here. With their lineup, that top six or top nine, really, it's unbelievable. It's a great forward group. I do wonder how they're going to be without high skin in who I assume is going to come back like game one of the playoffs. If their defense going into that game one is Labushkin, Cee C. Dumba on the right side. Not pretty. No. Not something you want to be doing. I don't care how good your forward group is. That right side is not great. But once you get Heisken in back, everything looks better. But I guess that's the one question you question question, is the defense is good enough with those guys in the lineup. Then you question, which Ottinger are you going to get? Because you know you're going to get scoring. What goal tender are you going to get in terms of Ottinger? Are you going to get the one from the 23 playoffs or are you going to get the '24 playoffs, and then is your defense good enough? There are some questions there, but every team's got questions, and Dallas looks really good.

Wyatt Johnson also resigned. Five years, 8. 5 million AAV. He'll be 30, guys. What are you smiling at? What?

What?

Jake Oh, stop.

No, no. Come on, Jesse, do we need a new graphic?

No, I actually like Jake Austin.

Wyatt Johnson is a pretty spectacular hockey player. One of those young guys that the Dallas stars were able to hit on late in the first round in 2021. He was the 23rd overall pick. He's got 59 points in 62 games. And you have to remember, this guy's playing third-line center, third-line center at the moment in Dallas. I mean, what a great value deal for them. And I call value because, again, with the cap going up as much as it is, it's going to be such spectacular value all the way through it.

He leads all 2021 draft players in goals and points. It's amazing. For years, we've been saying, why does everyone look at the Florida Panthers and go, I'll sign with you for $5. It's okay. I'll play for... You know how many interns the Panthers have? Just dudes who are volunteering. Who cares? There's no state tax. We don't give a damn. That's very quickly becoming the Dallas stars. Ranting in at 12 after we were like, oh, yeah, it's going to be 13, 13 and a half, 14 is nuts. It also makes me believe Rantanin when he says he was caught off guard by the trade because that's the only way accepting this dollar amount makes any sense. Wyatt Johnston. I would love to know who initiated Did those talks, was it him, his agent or the GM, with how good of a player he is and how much the cap is going up. He didn't need to sign that deal at all. At all. He's still 21. He didn't need to sign that deal at all. He could have done really well for the next few seasons, wrote off into the sunset after three, four year contract, who knows, and then made $80 Kerbillian.

But instead, he signs this deal. Every stars fan should go buy his jersey immediately.

Yeah, pretty darn cool. Amazing work by Jim Nill, who I think might win general manager of the day. And general manager of the year, I know they hand out an award, but as Jeff Merrick always says, it's the Stanley Cup. That's your GM of the year. Spectacular day from them. On the other side-I'm waiting for this. A perplexing day from the Carolina Hurricanes. Obviously, they get a first and a third in '26. They get a first and a third in '27. They get Logan Stankovan. But they have turned Marty Nietzsche- Jack Drury. Jack Drury into I guess, do you count Taylor Hall as a part of that? Maybe. Logan Stankovan and four Picks.

It's... Context is key. Getting two... Logan Stankovan Two-fourths and two-thirds for what they initially gave to Colorado is crazy. That is really, really good work by the Carolina Huracanes in a vacuum. We're not living in a vacuum. We're living in your second in the Metro. And you had Nietzsche. You gave him to Colorado. He's doing crazy there. You got Randon, he did nothing. And you traded him. And what did you get that helps you immediately Immediately. You got a guy with nine goals who I think is going to be really good. He's only 22, I think. He's going to be really good for you. But okay, what about this year? You got two first-round picks, two-thirds. When I saw that, I was texting people immediately. I'm like, They're throwing those out the window, right? It sounds like they tried to.

It sounds like there was a deal we think in imminent with Pittsburgh and Ricard Raquel.

Here's some Eric Tulsky quotes from Greg Wyshinsky, VSPN. Carolina GM Eric Tulsky said the Hurricans were looking at additional moves before the deadline, but said the Rantan and trade took so long to close that Carolina missed out on players they were targeting. Then Then he said, I should clarify, the reason they missed out was because they wouldn't have had the cap flexibility to do anything until the ranting in trade was finalized, which was a lengthy process. This is a complete Completely unacceptable outcome. Yeah. Listen.

That's damning.

It's bad. Who knows? Maybe they have a surprise run this year. They probably take on the devils in the first round. The Devils don't have Jack Hughes. That's a really unpredictable first-round series.

And by the way, the Devils didn't get Ryan O'Reilly.

No, they didn't. Yeah, and he stayed put. Well, Adam, he's got an imaginary no-move clause. The worst run team. Well, sorry, the Sabers exist. Just not a smart move. In a vacuum, that's a crazy amount of assets to get for what began as Jack Drury and Martin Nietzsche's. But you're yard sailing this year. And that's brutal. Who knows? Maybe you use these assets, you contend next year, you win the whole thing, and then we forget all about it. That's pro-sports. Winning makes This memory is pretty long and short. But this year, if the hurricanes don't make noise in the playoffs, it's going to be bad.

And their standard-It's usually second round minimum.

Yeah.

Oh, man, I could only dream. I know. I could only win. Second round minimum?

Here, best I can do is second round once every two decades. But heavy is the crown, and it's not even a ground. They have a high standard there. To me, their performance today fell below those standards.

Jesse, don't forget, they also sent a second and a fourth with Nietzsche and Jury. That's also a part of what they sent out. If I am Eric Tulsky. We all have our regrets in life, and sometimes we make mistakes. If I'm in the shower and it's 4, 5, 10 years from now, this one haunt me. This one, I scream in the shower and I say, I should have never traded Nietzsche and Drury. If I look at this Carolina team right now, would I rather have Stankhoven a couple of first and Taylor Hall, or would I rather have Nietzsche sign through next season at $6. 5 million dollars and Jack Jury signed through next season at $1. 725 million dollars, an RFA expiry. You'd rather have those players plus your second and your fourth back. This was a blunder. And we don't want to say it because we like Tulsky, and he embodies something new in the game and analytics and all that stuff. But he made a mistake here making this ranted in trade.

Here's what I never would have predicted, and there are going to be a lot of people going at him. He deserves it. But none of those people predicted ranting in with the hurricanes was going to be a bust.

You don't make the deal unless you got an extension. I agree with that. That's his ultimate failure.

Especially if you're going to give up Nietzsche's injury at those numbers and the pings. Look what Dallas did. Yeah.

They got the extension.

That deal was done for 15 hours or whatever, but you needed the contract.

However, the problem there, guys, is that Colorado, I don't get the sense, really actually wanted to trade him. But then the deal became so good, they were like, Well, what? We were stupid not to Look at this. This is crazy.

I think Chris McFarlon punked Eric Talski a little.

Honestly, it's Chris McFarlon at the deadline. He's amazing.

You can't do that without the extension because there's a possibility it ended up like this, and it did end like this.

Wait, no, boys, you don't hear that?

What is it?

You don't hear that?

I can't hear it. What's the saying?

It's the cavalry coming over the hills, boys, because the hurricanes actually did make another move. Oh, what did it? That I don't think you saw.

I haven't.

They traded a fifth round pick next year for Mark Jankowski. Staley Cough. Staley Cough. All right. Boy, listen, Stakehoven is a great He's going to get better. You can do a lot with two first.

There's always the draft and next deadline. These pics are not made until 2026.

Yeah, but you got Miko Rantan because you wanted to win the Cup this year.

So then maybe you should have held him.

He got six points. Well, he didn't want to sign with you, though. Okay. Of all the scenarios... Okay, you have to choose. You have to choose. You have to choose between pissing Rang into the wind with Miko Rantan unsigned as a pure rental, and he's not playing well, or you get Stankhoven in two first, two-thirds. What's your choice? Right?

I think I know what my choice is. What's your choice?

What are we going to do? Sit here and cry over spilt milk? Yeah. The adult decision was made today.

By the way, Tom Dunn apparently was very involved in this process as well.

Well, that might explain why it got fucked up.

Thankfully, if Eric Tulsky is going to-When are owners going to let people do their job? Well, that's not how Tom Dunn runs the team. He spent $300 million to buy.

How many rings he's got?

He's got zero rings so far.

Sounds great, Tom.

Let's keep it that way. But I think that at least Eric Tulsky has that. It's like, well, the owner gets to share in the blame here a little bit, too, right? It's the owner. That's not how it works. For Miko Rantan, you wonder about why he wouldn't want to sign someplace. You know how the Carolina Huracanes operate. They operate, I think they would say, efficiently. They don't spend big. Sebastian Aho is like their highest paid guy, and he's amazing. And I think he'd probably get 15, 20 points a year if he's not playing in Rod Brindamore's system, but it's an effective system. I'm not denigrating the system. I think it's a great system. I think that Miko Rantan probably looked at that and went, I don't want to play this system. I don't want to play this way. It probably has nothing to Nothing to do with the city, nothing to do with the team. It's probably just, This is not the system for me.

That's the team.

That's the team. You know what I mean? It's like you come in, you test the water, you go, Yeah, I don't like that. Not for me. I don't like the cut of your jip.

I remember the podcast after the initial trade was made, and I said it, and you looked at me wide-eyed like, Steve, that's an insane thing to say. Sebastian Aho is not Nate.

Exactly.

You were playing with Nate. And Rantan is a crazy player in his own regard. He has a better... He scored more playoff points, I want to say, since 2022 than Nathan McKinnon. That's insane.

But you're not playing with Nate in Carolina. You might get closer to Nate in Dallas, but you're still not playing with Nate.

Can I chime in with a super chat from Frank Saravalli? Oh, yeah. What's up Frank? He's listening. Hi, Frank. Frank Saravalli super chats that the Carolina Hurricanes got this The Stank and the Jank today.

The Stank and the Jank.

The Stank and Jank connection. The new tag team champions. That's funny. Until one of them betrays the other and goes after the Intercontinental title. I love that.

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I'll do a Morazic one. By the way, Miko Rantin in Sweepstakes. According to Chris Johnson, the Leaps were in. It was the deal surrounding Matthew Nye's and multiple pics. That's what it would have been. Oh, wow. Yeah. So listen, they went a different way. And by the way, I think that they don't get Lawton and they don't get Carlo. So it's what do you want. Now, Jessie, do we have any more super chats we want to get to before we go to our next, and we're going to bring on Alan Walsh here in a second. A couple more.

This is from Kirkland. Offer Marner 12 million AAV now. Replace JT in the summer.

I don't think that Marner in his camp or the Lefs in their camp want to talk about that right now. I think they want to see. The least want to see that Marner is going to do it in the playoffs the way they need them to. And I think Marner wants to say, I can do it in the playoffs, and you're going to have to pay me more.

I hope it's a quick negotiation, because if it's a quick negotiation, that means it starts in June. If that negotiation starts at the end of April, then I think it's a... I mean, it might be an even shorter one. Let's both go our separate ways because I've had enough.

That was from Shay, but Goofy Goover also had Marner contract prediction after Rantanin's deal. Does the Rantanin's deal say anything about the Marner contract? I think that's where we got the 12 million.

I think the leaves have to look at it that way. I don't think Marner's camp is going to look at it that way. I think they're going to say, Yeah, that's fair, but... And they'll find a but. That's their job. Find the butt. That's what an agent's job is. Always find the butt and tap the but. And I think there's a lot of wisdom in saying, Mitch, Miko's numbers are pretty similar here. In fact, they're better. Here's what it looks like. If Marner comes in at exactly what Rantan came in at, I think that's fantastic for both sides. I think both sides will... I believe what the insider is saying, I think this, too. I think both sides regret it if they move on.

So 12 is got to be good for the leaves.

I think so. This is a 100-point player.

Ranson in signing for 12 has moved. Who? Who? Who? Who?

Who He's been on pace a lot of times. I don't care. He's going to do it. Here's what I'd say to Mitch. Good luck tomorrow. He doesn't want to talk about the thing. You don't want to talk about the thing. Good luck tomorrow. There's a game. And then after that, there's going to be another game. And after that, there's going to be another game. When everyone is done and they're ready to talk, then talk. Listen, there's a reason I was so surly and crotchety when Kyle Dubas was like, I'm pretty sure I'm going to move off of one of the guys in the corps. Then he got fired. And Brad Trelivan gave birth to, I just got here. And let Marner go to July first and let his full no-move clause kick in. That was the moment you no longer got to decide or complain about what happens next. So the fact that we're here It looks good on the leaves. I don't know who told you the outcome was going to be different. Oh, we'll simply ask him to waive the thing. What if he doesn't? But he will. What if he doesn't? You That's what I'm allowed.

Hey, we're going to go out and get Miko Rantan. Without an extension? Yeah. What if he doesn't extend? Oh, he will.

And then he didn't.

Oh, okay. Well, we're going to go out and trade him again, and we're going to get a bunch of pics, and then we're going to trade those pics for other stuff that's going to help us win the cup. Okay, what if you can't get those trades done in time? Don't worry, we will. Did it happen?

No. Other super chats.

Other super chats. Cassie, Gifti, Gifted 20 SDPI memberships.

I know Mike Schmidt gifted 50 earlier, too.

Yes, Mike Smith as well. Thank you, Mike Smith and Cassie, for those gifted memberships. We really appreciate it. This is from Will. Will says, Honestly, I hate the maple leaves, but I really like this podcast. Been listening since 17. Gave up on the leaves after the bubble loss. Oh, my goodness.

You gave up on the leaves, but you didn't give up on us, and I appreciate that.

Abram says, Caine's Deadline Losers. Winners, one. Dallas, Leifs, two. All right. I think the Lefs are a winner.

I think Dallas is a winner. I think it's time for us if I got it. We're going to throw a quick break here. It's not going to be longer than 60 seconds, I promise you. Then And Mr. Alan Walsh is going to join us. We're going to talk about the JJ Paterka thing because was there a trade in the works? Or was there not a trade in the works? And why are teams throwing so many draft pics into the sun? We'll find out. And this show is sponsored in part by Better Health. Hey, listen, is your team given you some things that you're really frustrated about today that you wish hadn't happened?

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Here I am. How are you guys?

We're good. Listen, we've talked about it on AP a lot, but I think it's worth mentioning. This is not a fun week for you and your players, as fun as it is for us. There's a lot that goes into this. Can we talk a little bit quickly about as an agent, what are you doing today if one of your players gets moved?

It's actually a day filled with a lot of anxiety and a lot of stress. I have a lot of clients on Edge wondering what's going on with them. Players on really good teams, very interested in what their team is doing to improve gearing up for a playoff spot or a playoff run, seeing other teams making deals and calculating how that's going to impact their team I mean, I even had some players on no move clauses call me and say, You hear anything about me? That's how nervous some of these guys are. I'm like, You have a full no move clause. If anything is happening, you'll be the first to know, I promise.

Alan, it was a relatively, I think, quiet day for you, if I'm not mistaken. But we do know that JJ Paterk his name was out there. We'd love to know more. What the hell happened?

What happened? Why? What is it? Answer us. Same names.

For some reason, there are people reporting that his name has been out there. I don't know where it's coming from. I haven't had a conversation with Kevin Adams in a while. You probably have more insight into why his name is out there than I do.

Well, all we know is that he was going to stay in New York State. No, we don't.

That's why you're on. Oh, my goodness.

So when you look around the league on a day like today, and we're all buzzing in here, a little bit too much caffeine, that thing, are you happy to have a lower key trade deadline?

Well, you're talking about too much caffeine. I lost count at five cups of coffee today so far, and my day started for the last two days at 4: 00 AM.

Oh, my God.

Wow. Because of the time difference here on the West Coast. It's the first trade deadline in recent memory I mean, I'm sure it's happened before, but it's been many years where I don't personally have a client who's been traded at the deadline. And I actually have to admit, I enjoy that. I'm not in any way complaining. People say, oh, all you ever do is complain. I'm not complaining. I'm just stating a fact.

It seems very obvious that this was a sell seller's market. Were you surprised by what players were going for this year? A lot of first get and move, a lot of seconds.

Yeah. It goes to show a couple of things. Number one, the number of teams that are still in the play-up hunt, that the delineation between buyers and sellers, there were a lot more buyers than sellers. So the players that were available, there was less of the supply, there was a much bigger demand, and there you get the first and the second being thrown around a lot more than you'd expect, a lot more than you'd expect. And I've talked to a bunch of GMs in the last 48 hours who were suffering a bit of sticker shock, believing that prices would come down today. I mean, two or three GMs in particular, and they ultimately traded their players today saying, I'm going to get this or I'm not going to get this. The prices didn't come down. That I found interesting, that there was a break in the market around three hours ago where where the deals started happening and a lot of the GMs got the prices they were looking for.

Well, Alan, does that speak to the fact that the cap is going up so much? So some of these teams feel like- The triple hard cap. Yeah, the triple. Let's get it right. The triple hard cap is going up significantly. So a lot of teams feel like, Hey, if I've got good players on the roster already, I might as well augment them. I might as well build for the future. Cost control has become more of the thing. And these long-term deals, which used to be a bit of an albatross, now are looking pretty valuable.

Yeah. And there's certainly a release valve in the triple hard cap, Steve. That is that is going on right now. I mean, the jump next year, more significantly, the jump the year after, and then knowing where the cap will be somewhere in the $104 million range going to $1,314 million, is certainly we're seeing a marketplace reflecting that reality right now.

Is today any before and after point for your world where it's like, now that the trade deadlines come and gone, you now focus towards the offseason because you don't really care to watch the games. That doesn't really have an effect on your day to day. So do you focus towards the contracts that are expiring? Iring and all that?

In a sense, I have several players who were on the last year of their deal, and those are the guys you look at as possibly being guys that could move. And the fact that they weren't traded generally speaks to a team's desire to engage in a discussion on getting the player extended. Teams don't like losing players for nothing. I think the fact that certain players weren't moved is going to It's a reflection that there's a desire to get something done.

Well, Alan, we really appreciate you making time for us today. I'm glad that it was a quiet trade deadline for you. It certainly hasn't been on this end. I know that you and I are going to try to get a show done this weekend as a reaction. We'll get a time sorted out, but it is great to see you, and we'll talk in a few days. It's worth repeating that the Boston Brewans are having a day, and And I'm seeing people tweeting angrily about Don Sweeni and about how he handled today, specifically trading within the division, right? I think they're upset that Florida got Marcian. They're upset that Toronto got Carlo. But I think Don Sweeni might have done the best thing he possibly could, which is get the most value, right?

So here's the thing. Marshan's 35 expiring deal. He might be right back. He might spend-20 games? 20, 30, 40 games.

50? No, less than that. How many playoff games can the Panthers Let's say 25. 16 wins. How about that?

There you go. No, no. There you go. That's going to the least, sir.

Yeah. He might be right back, and then you get all these assets from a divisional rival, and you... I don't know, you could look at it as ripping them off or whatever. You have to have your cake and eat it, too. What was Brad Marchand doing on the Bruins for the rest of the season? That's emotional. Brandon Carlo? I mean, are you like, oh, man, we traded with the Leaps, but they're in the division? I just don't think that's how Bruins fans are looking at it. Trading your captain, the heartbeat of your team, CJ said part of your fabric, and it I'm like, oh, bar. It is. I can understand why that is emotionally tough.

Marshan got to be captain of the Bruins less than two full seasons. It's hard to believe, considering how long he's been there. But it shows you the leadership they've had. Now, let's move on to some of the more interesting trade deadline things. Steve, you mentioned it. I'm going to jump this ahead of Ottawa. I had Ottawa next, but I want to talk about Edmonton because the Edmonton oilers have needs. Not emotional- Well, they're only human. Well, their fans have emotional needs. Oh, sorry. But remember that Cal Pickert and Stuart Skinner have been not great, 896, 897 in the Save Percentage Department.

They have been good enough to lead them to the Stanley Cup final and get within one game of winning the Stanley Cup.

That was last year, though. What have you done for me lately?

What have you done for me in the playoffs is how I think teams look at it.

And I think that's exactly how Edmondon is looking at it. They felt like it wasn't a priority. They felt defense was a priority. Matias at home is out. So you take an already depleted defense core because remember, they lost Vinnie Dajarnay, they lost Philip Broberg, they traded Cody CC. So they had to replace them with guys picking up Travis Dermot on wai after bringing him to camp and then losing him. So you bring him back. Then you've got Ty Eberson, who you got back from the Cody CC trade.

Respectfully to those guys that you mentioned. Okay, okay, okay.

So- Like, whatever, man. They send out first round pick, get Jake Wallman. And by the way, Detroit. We got to talk about Detroit a little bit later because Detroit paid San Jose to take Jake Wallman. But Jake Wallman's had a great season. Nonsensical. Absolutely fantastic season. And it gives the Edmondton oilers, when Matias Atcom gets back, not a secondary, I would even say, a third guy who can really move the pot, because I think Atcom can move the pot, Cribsard is a savant. He's amazing at moving the buck. He's unbelievable. Jake Wallman is a really great addition. But then after Jake Wallman, crickets, nothing.

Three is pretty good. A lot of teams don't have three. I'm just saying. I know. But Rick Coolack is a quality player.

I wasn't just speaking about defense. I'm talking about Stan Bowman moves today.

Oh, well, yeah. No, they didn't do anything. That is like with McDavid in three fall. They're playing their worst hockey at the worst time. Oh, boy. It's difficult to underestimate I don't want to do it. Last year, I held strong in the oilers. I was like, they're going to make the playoffs. I think I might have even had them in the Stanley Cup final. And even after they fired Jay Woodcroft, I was like, hold, hold the line. And then they go all the way The Game 7 Stanley Cup final. This year, I'm looking and I'm like, maybe I should sell my stock there in the Edmonton Oilers. Here's something that's good. So when I see a defenseman Jake Wallman, 25 points in 50 games, scoring at half a point of game. Okay. He probably heads up their power play, though, right? And I'm sure he played a lot of power play minutes for San Jose. He only had eight power play points. Oh, no, sorry. That's Will Smith. He only had seven power play points, 25 even strength points. If Wallman can make it so that the oilers are what the oilers are when they're best, which is just this team that has the all the time and skates you into the dirt and snipes on you with these skilled plays that no one else can do, if he can help them do that, then he's a great acquisition for them.

Listen, the oilers didn't do much of the things they could have done, that's about the best. What move out there would have been better for Edmonton? I know a lot of people are going to yell and scream goalie. A lot of guys in and around the Hockey Canada program are feeling pretty bullish about their goalie opinions right now. You see Jordan Bittington stats since the Four Nations? No, I haven't. He's unbeatable. Well, that's great. He's absolutely unbeatable. He's like 7, 2, and 1, 9, 15.

Confidence is sky high. I love it.

It's unreal. Skinner's confidence is obviously in the toilet. He wasn't great all playoff last year. It turned on.

I mean, Calvin Pickard started games against Vancouver.

Oh, yeah. You're talking about you're excited for the... What is this? The three-peat, the four-peat of the Oilers versus the kings?

Yeah, I think this is the fourth year in a row we think the Oilers and Kings are going to meet, and the Oilers have won all three.

Yeah. And I see no reason for that to change because the Kings have actually gotten steadily worse in those series, if I remember correct. If you get out of that series... I mean, Edmonton has aspirations far beyond the first round, but I I really expected them to do more.

Yeah.

I really expected them to do more. Yeah. Disappointed.

Worth noting that Kings didn't do a whole heck of a lot either. They only picked up Andre Kuzmanko from the Philadelphia Flyers for a third round pick in 2027. Deff 4-run. So Yeah. I mean, listen, they got a little bit more scoring, but it's certainly not what they would have wanted to do. Another big trade that happened, obviously, was Dylan Cousins for Josh Norris. I know Jacob Bernard, Docker, is available for that. And if you want an intense, super granular breakdown, we have a video on it already. But what we just saw was Steve Steos said in a press conference, and I'm getting this from Julian McKenzie's tweet, that he thinks Dylan Cousins is going to balance out the offense and the defense a little better than Norris did. Obviously, Norris is a big... He's best friends with braided Chuck, so that's a heartbreaker. Kind of a surprise deal, something that we didn't see coming. And when you add the fact that Fabian Zetterland, who's had a It's a great year.

I absolutely adore that deal for Ottawa.

That has remade their second line.

Completely. It probably puts them in a much better position for these playoffs. Pissed off, Bradley Kachuk is a pretty good and a dangerous one. Also, Man, I did not realize Josh Norris was making a hair under eight.

It's a lot of money.

He's making, it was like 50 grand less than I think Jack Hughes. That deal is crazy, by the way, for Jack Hughes. But Yeah, no, it was an untenable situation. And you traded, I think, two GMs with two players with alarmingly similar traject. Hey, we have guys who peaked three years ago. We signed them to over seven million dollars, and they haven't been the same since. Let's just swap them. See what happens. Somehow Buffalo ended up with the more expensive and older one, I think because they're Buffalo.

But they think maybe he's got the higher ceiling. Yeah. After three shoulder surgeries. I think that's fair.

But he spends a lot of time not playing hockey, which is actually bad for your being good at hockey aspirations. I like Dylan Cousins as a sen, I really, really love Fabian Zetterland as a send. They had a good day.

Yeah. It's very, very interesting. Now, with- Oh, sorry.

Julian just tweeted this. Oh, go. The Fabian Zetterland deal came together with 27 seconds left before the 3: 00 PM deadline, according to Steve Steaus. Wow. Holy crap. And that deal is a banger for Ottawa.

Yeah.

Absolute banger for Ottawa. Indiana Jones by the skin of their teeth. That's crazy.

That's a crazy deal. Now, earlier in the day, Brock Nelson was traded to the Colorado Avalanche. This was a crazy one. And the reason I want to bring it up, well, obviously, I want to bring it up because it's trade deadline, and that's what we do, is it really shows how much people are loading up in the West except for Vegas, but they loaded up last year and everybody's still there, and they're still Vegas. Yes.

Anaphan, Hurdle, all that.

They're big deadline was last year.

It's easy to look at them and be like, Oh, they didn't really do anything. Yeah, they did.

They were able to get Brock Nelson and flip Oliver Shillington, Callum Richie, a first-round pick and a third-round pick with some asterisks on them, and we don't have to get into that too much. What does Brock Nelson bring to the Colorado Avalanche now, gentlemen?

A better option than Casey Middlestat, which is-What went wrong with Casey Middlestat in Colorado?

He stopped scoring. That's a problem. That's a problem.

We went through the stats. I always struggle with spelling his name Middlestat, not Middlestat. He's scoring at like half a point of game right now. But the reason The reason Colorado wanted him in the first place is he was shooting the lights out with the sabers for a moment in time. He, 15 goals, 44 assists for a 59 point season, followed that up with 14 goals, 33 assists for a 47 point campaign in 62 games. Then he went to Colorado, was still pretty good, 10 points in 18 games, and it's just disappeared. And he makes too much money for that. 5. 75 five, I believe. You get Brock Nelson, who's just got close to 100 games Stanley Cup playoff experience, lots of deep runs with the Islanders, just got back from the Four Nation face-off. And you get Charlie Coyle in the Middlestat deal. So here's how I look at that. Is Middlestat a better player than Charlie Coyle? Probably, but it also it's a loaded question because I think they're two completely different players. Is Brock Nelson a better option than Casey Middlestat? Yes. Yeah. Okay, great. So you throw him into where Middlestat was.

Now you need a third-line center. Who's a better third-line type center? Is it Casey Middlestat or Charlie Coyle? My argument would be Charlie Coyle. Charlie Coyle. Charlie Coyle, who hasn't had a great season in Boston. Not a lot of people have. He had 60 points last year. That guy's a nightmare. As a lead fan, I hate him. So Get them out of my division sounds good. I think Colorado got way better up the middle.

Colorado also, earlier on this year, have picked up with other things, too. Ryan Lingren is now a Colorado avalanche. Jimmy Veecey is a Colorado avalanche. Jack Drury, Marty Nietzsche, Uso Parsonin. Let's not forget about-And then they got rid of them. Yeah, they did. To the rangers. But these are these trades that they've made. And let's not forget that, guys, before Christmas, they overhauled their goal tending. Both goalies. This is a team that's gone through a total transformation. Jesse, I'm curious about where you put the Colorado Avalanche now, because on one hand, they're undoubtedly stronger. The other hand, though, is team chemistry matters.

Yeah. We've never seen a team with this much change over midseason. They were the first team to ever swap their goalie tandem that early in a season. And you see all the additions now in the forward group. And it's ambitious of McFarlon to do this, to go that hard with a change in the team, but you applaud them for being this ambitious, for saying, This is our season. No matter what, I'm going to try and build the team that I think is going to win. I don't know how it's all going to mesh together. We saw Miko Rantin not work in Carolina, so you don't know how these players are going to mesh in Colorado. But I can only be encouraged by what they're doing and that going for it is the right thing.

Chemistry isn't something that just develops when play together for a while. It's just stylistic fit. Nietzsche is a godlike fit in Colorado. It's not talked about enough, but their pro-scouting staff deserves an insane amount of credit because I looked at that deal and I'm like, okay, I understand why both sides did it, but there's a clear winner, and it's not Colorado. And then, oh, that was a good first game. Oh, that was a Oh, I think he's just an unbelievable fit with Nathan McKinnon. Man, Colorado, man. Never a dull moment. What a break next season to be an Avalanche fan. No wonder Drew is so weird.

So, Jesse, let's do a Let's do a couple of last minute super chats. I'm going to wrap this stream up.

Frank Saravalli wrote back in, Can't wait to see Marsha and lick someone, and then Chucky and Bennett come and jump the dude that got licked.

I like that.

Why'd you let him lick you?

Wow, you punched your mind.

I didn't mean to.

Austin said, Stop teasing us. Let's have some lineup projections, mint in for Norris, hashtag. Do you have any lineup leaf predictions?

Yeah. Very interesting because I'm just realizing the flaw in my lineup. Because I had a third line that was, I think it was Robertson-Lawton-Domi, which would bump McMahon up to the second line. Where's Holmberg go? Has he not earned a full-time spot on this team?

I think he has. Where? Good question.

Who does he kick out of the lineup?

Well, it sounds like he's going to have to want it more than someone else. We got time to figure it out.

We got 20 games to... Listen, it's It's professional sports, and we're in the winning business. Break a pool cue over your knee, chuck it into the middle of the floor. We're going to have tryouts.

Lawton and Carlo, by the way, it looks like they're going to be available for the Leaps tomorrow. Hey. That's exciting. Great news. We're going to see them tomorrow while we're at the Alibi Roadhouse in London, Ontario.

Here's how tired I am. You're like, Oh, they're going to be available. I'm like, They're flipping them?

No. Jesse, any other chat?

We can end with Hotard, who said, Hotard, who says, Did you see all the action Armstrong blessed us with? Oh, wait, he slept right on through the deadline. Team's doing all the right things, and he's doing nothing. Let's go Blues. There you go.

Yeah, but that's what we encourage them to do.

Nothing? Nothing, Yeah.

I think what he did was screw with everyone and make him think you were going to do something.

Well, thank you for joining us. By the way, there will be more content coming out. We're going to make Steve do a video just on Brandon Carlo for your channel. And thank you for joining us throughout the Trade Deadline today. Obviously, we have a ton of trade videos you can check out. We get super detailed, too. See you tomorrow night.

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