Transcript of Conor, Connor, & Connors | The Steve Dangle Podcast

Steve, the other day you announced your Halifax Book Tour appearance. Yes, Book Tour. We received two emails from concerned people from Halifax.

Got it.

I'm behind on episode, so you may have already caught this, but in case you didn't, I was just listening to the beginning of the October 29th SDP episode where Steve and Adam are discussing Steve's Halifax Book Tour appearance locations, and you mentioned Indigo on Spring Garden Road. This is from Jack, I live off Spring Garden, and to my knowledge, there isn't an Indigo retail location there. There is, however, a company that runs parking garages called Indigo, and they have a Spring Garden location. Just wanted to flag in case no one else has, didn't want Steve to end up in Four Seasons total landscaping situation. Have a good one, Jack. Other email.

That's the address I was given.

Other email from Scott. Hey, on the most recent show, you mentioned your Halifax book signing would take place at an Indigo on Spring Garden Road. The Indigo on Spring Garden Road is an Indigo parking garage. Oh, for fuck's sake. Your Halifax event is scheduled at the chapters on Chain Lake Drive. That's the one. And your Dartmouth event scheduled at the Indigo in Micmac Mall. Thanks. Looking forward to seeing you. That is hilarious. Scott and Jack, thank you for emailing in from Halifax, correcting Steve that hopefully he doesn't show up at a parking garage.

By the way, I used to live near Chain Lake Drive in Bear's Lake. That's Bear's It's like I mentioned that mall. I used to-A parking garage. Well, it's more of a strip mall. But yes, I used to live there. It was Clayton Park, baby. Damn it.

That's where I used to live. I didn't just look it up. So wait, where? Oh, shit. For God's sake.

So next episode on Monday, you're going to come back with the right details, okay? Is that cool? Yeah. They gave out where the actual... I can read it again. Where Scott said the actual Indigo event is your Halifax event is scheduled at Chapters on Chain Lake Drive, and your Dartmouth event is scheduled at Indigo and Mick-Mack Mall, according to Scott. But you need to confirm with your publisher which the actual Indigos are. But I assume Scott knows where the Indigos are in his town.

Okay. Halifax Chapters. Cool. This is on their Facebook. This is the 188 Chain Lake Drive.

Yeah. So, Scott, you nailed it. Oh, shit. Thank you for the correction. Yeah, that's funny. Steve, please give out the right address to everybody you already told where it is.

188 Chain Lake Drive, everybody.

All right. Shall we get to the show? Yeah, let's do it. Why not?

The Steve Dangle podcast with your host, Steve Dangle, Adam Wilde, and Jesse Blake. Let's go. All right. All right. Yes. Jesse's got the... So anybody that doesn't know what Jesse is holding up there, and anybody listening, there is a piece of... It's just a piece of wood, and it says hard on it. Hard. And the reason it says hard on it is that...

You keep saying hard on it.

Hard on wood. The reason that- Booner. The reason that we're making boon jokes to start the show is that at our event on Sunday night in Oshua, we had somebody bring us this that they made on their patio. Now, what's interesting about this is there was obviously a chain that we made fun of. Well, that made fun of. We laughed with, I think. It's hilarious.

We shouted out the Minnesota Wild, who are the best dude bros ever because they made a chain that said hard. Every time somebody's the player of the game, they got to put on a chain that says, I'm hard. They're the hard player of the game.

I think what we need to do with that is we need to have a chain with it, and then we assign it to whoever is the most insane fan at one of our live shows. You get the hard chain.

You're the hardest fan of the show.

Anyway, by the way, the name of the person is on the back, and you know how bad I have the names. Evan. Evan.

Thank you, Evan. Yeah, Evan made this on his balcony. He made two, actually. He made one for us and then one that we could sign, and then he has one. Yeah, shout out Evan.

And we signed it, and then he's like, Mad dog, get over here.

Yeah, Maddie signed it as well. But apparently, it was really hard to make the pencil. Oh, I bet. A couple of different trials of getting the right pencil and all this stuff. Yeah, shout out you, Evan. You did a fantastic job with this.

You know, he spent a full day of his weekend doing that. Yeah. I was like, Man, that's so cool. Thank you for doing that.

Just to be so hard.

Yeah. Just to be frigging turgeon. Let's go.

Anyway, Jessie has it now standing on the end of the table. You know that the first time Steve loses it today, it's fallen down.

I'm excited for that moment.

Sorry in advance to sub Wolf or guy. Now, I'm not. Yesterday, Well, first off, I should mention that we have a live show coming up on Tuesday, November the 12th. Yesterday at the Shoeless Joe's at 249 Queens Key. Jesse, you did a little site check.

Yeah, I was down there. I met Birdy, who runs the place. Then shout out Birdy. I got to try one of the menu items because I sat down and was like, Oh, I'll have lunch here, too, since I'm here. They have, which I didn't know what that Shoeless Joe's makes, a chicken cordon bleu.

Oh, really? Yeah. I love chicken cordon bleu. Are you serious?

I saw it on the menu. I was like, This is serious? You guys make this? And they're like, Yeah, we make this. And it was fantastic.

What is a chicken cordon bleu? I will look at it. I know of it.

Yeah. It's panko chicken. They did it, and so slightly breaded, and then it was sliced over a bed of mashed potatoes with cheddar cheese and maple bacon sauce. And it was... I'm serious right now. It's unbelievable. Then I also got it because this is how it comes with the side of vegetables. You can get roasted vegetables, but you can also switch out that side if you're more of a fries guy.

Here you go. A cordon bleu, or a schnitzel cordon bleu It is a dish of meat, in this case, chicken, wrapped around cheese and with ham on the inside as well, and then breaded and pan fried or deep fried.

The sauce that comes next to it was fantastic. Stick. I just kept... When you just mince the chicken in the sauce, rub it all over and the chicken gets all saucy. Kept doing that over and over until there's nothing left. Almost licked the plate. Then the mashed potatoes were very creamy and the vegetables, very nice, very nice, roast.

That would We have Alex Feinberg, the head chef at Foodtastic/ShulisJose, who came up with that. He's a big SDP listener, and he loves to... Basically, he creates all this stuff in his kitchen at home, I believe in the Kitchener Waterloo area. And then he brings them. He's like, This is going to be on our fall menu.

I want you guys the day we have the event to order it and just try.Chicken Cordon Bleu from Shoeless Joe.Yeah. You didn't have to ask me to.

I'm going to do it. You didn't have to ask me to. I'm doing So we'll see you there. Tickets are $10. You could buy a ticket for a guaranteed spot now, or you just pay at the door. And we'll see you there, November 12th. That's pre-Leafs sends game. And remember, Shoeless Joe's is the place to go at Queenskey before and after the game, because you can go there for a drink or whatever. Easy walk over to the arena. But then after the game, and it's all the arenas, right? Like, Rogers is right there, too. You can see a Blue Jays game. Which one? Rogers, Rogers, Rogers.

Vancouver?

Yeah. Edmondson.

All the other ones?

Or Downsview Park next summer? Yeah. Oh, no. Rogers Stadium. I think that's what it's called.

Who knows? It goes The Oasis.

Yeah. Anyway, long story short, it's all there. You can go after the game as well. They have big game day experiences, sports watching, multiple screens. You'll never miss a play at Shoeless Joe's. Ever. Never in your life. You'll never miss it again. But don't leave. Please wear shoes. Yes. Very, very important.

Now, that was your dad is just coming out of you.

No, it's crazy.

You're acting like that's an insult.

Yeah, it's crazy. Now, listen, we have a thing on this show, and it dates back to when Thomas Vanek was dealt by the Buffalo Saber. It's a long, long time ago. The show has been on the air for a while. And the thing is that we talk about something that may or may not happen, and immediately, and we go in-depth about what happens if it doesn't happen. Then immediately after the show is put out, the thing that we talked about for a good chunk of the episode happens. Last episode, we went in-depth on, Hey, what if the least kept, Timothée Lilligren? What would that look like? What are they really going to trade him for? Oli Matt only got a third. Oli Matt got a third, though. That's pretty good. Could the Lefs get that for Lilligren? He's only played one game this year. And we found out Timothée Lilligren was traded to the San Jose Sharks for a third and 25, a sixth and 26, which makes them easy to remember. Both of those picks way better than that Montreal 2026 second round pick. I'm just throwing that out there. That's not true. Matt Benning as well, who's played over 440 games in the NHL, right shot defenseman, big guy, just had hip surgery, 30 years old.

He's a guy that actually the Leifs were interested He did it in five years ago to acquire as a depth piece at the deadline. Yeah.

A hip surgery will change things.

Sure. But I think he was thrown in there to help make the money work a little bit. They can bury the majority of his contract. I think he makes 1.25. They can bury He's one of that.

I think at this stage in both of their careers, I'd rather have Connor Timmins, but whatever. They mentioned yesterday that Benning could get flipped.

Yes, he might. Cj Show didn't mention that. Until he is flipped, he will marry number 55, last born by Mark Giordano. C.

J. Show mentioned that he could get flipped? Yeah. Oh, I forgot the TSN part.

Yeah, exactly. Sorry.

That's the only place I heard it was on the C. J. Show.

He could get flipped because the Lefs in this trade, they freed up some cap space if they sent Benning down, but they also didn't free up any roster spots because they took a player back. Now they've assigned Hawk and Pa and Dua to conditioning stance, so they've delayed the return of those two gentlemen a little bit here, but eventually they're going to need a roster spot. So something's afoot.

And conditioning stints are two weeks. So we may not know about this until two weeks from now. That's right. So it could be a while.

I think what we should do on day 13 is go in-depth about it and then watch them. Do you hear that metal clinking against concrete? That's them kicking the can down the road.

I like that.

Just another couple of weeks.

They're good at that.

In the immortal words of Lou Lamorello, If you have the time, use it.

Sign it to seven years.

Yeah, sign it.

If you have time, make sure that you get more time.

Send it to the So much more time. So, Timothée Lilligre. And it was interesting to hear Craig Berube talk about it because Tim's agent was interviewed. And Craig Berube said this, Looking back at training camp, I think guys just outplayed him a little bit. He's got the ability. He can skate and move the buck. I wish him all the best. It just didn't work out here. That's the best way I can put it. And his agent spoke about it and said that it was stressful, that he was packing things up. But at the same time, he definitely, he probably wanted this, too. Well, his agent confirmed he wanted this. You're still shaken by the phone call when you get traded, I think. I don't think that part's easy. But I think that this instantly puts him in top four, if not top two territory in San Jose. If he can Or if he can't, we'll know.

Yeah, I mean, I get sad every time someone who's been with the Leifs for a while-Drafted, developed.

Drafted, developed.

Drafted. I get sad. And this is a trade that I wanted to happen, and the Lefs It got way more for him than I thought, obviously, based on last show. So why am I sad? I don't know.

I just feel like-I think you're sad at the lost opportunity for both sides.

Yes, that's 100% it for both sides. I feel there's regret to go around. And I also love how classy he was about it. The agent did say one thing that I think we'll probably get to about the Leifs not exactly like liking him, which I thought was pretty funny. But he was honest. He didn't play well enough. They developed him, won a Calder Cup here, which meant Something, something to me. I think a lot of this got set in a motion when Rasmus Sandine got traded. I think that broke his heart a little bit. It's also heartbreaking that this contingent of the Swedish takeover that the Leifs had in their prospect pool for a while is over. It was Willy, it was Sandine, it was Engvall, it was Lillagrin, it was Dimitri Timashow was part of that for a while as well. I'm trying to think of other guys I might have missed. I don't know. It made me sad for the guy. But objectively, this is the right move for both teams. The Lefs were not going to use him. He lost his spot in camp. He did poorly. I did say something in the LFR that I rubbed some people the wrong way, but I'm going to stand by it.

But let me explain it.

Controversial Steve? No, No, let me...

Because I said he had two coaches and two GMs who he lost favor with. And I stand by that. It's totally true. He had Dubas, and he had Keef, and he obviously fell out of favor with Keef, or at very least, Keef didn't play him every single game. It was crazy to me that even up until last year, he hadn't played himself into a position where he's playing absolutely every night. Like, dude, you can't be getting taken out. At three million bucks, you definitely can't be getting taken out. And then Brad Treleving has had him for over a year. And then I said, Craig Berube, and people were like, Well, jeez, that's a bit tough. No. You have the whatever it is, two, three weeks in camp and in spring, not spring training, sorry, in preseason to impress them and be like, here's why I should be here. He did the opposite of that. And it wasn't just me and it wasn't just Craig. Justin Borne, I remember, and maybe not everyone saw it because it was a preseason game, had a great intermission breakdown on Sportsnet, where he was just like, I'm not impressed with this player.

He's making bad decisions. You don't want him out there when you have a lead. You don't want him out there when you're behind. So what do you do here? So if Lilligran, at 25 years old, really develops into his own in San Jose, one, no one will be surprised. And two, I really think it needs to be remembered that he's not in Toronto anymore for a reason.

Yeah, man. To support your point, Craig Berube has been here a little bit now. He's had the full training camp. Couple of months. And he's had a couple of games. Nick Robertson did the exact opposite of Timothée Lilligrind. There is an example of what you can do when given an opportunity. He hasn't been producing on the stat sheet, but what he did in preseason in training camp is he worked really hard. He put up points there. But the hard work and the mentality and just the skill he had he displayed during that period allowed him to in favor with the coach, and now the coach trusts him to be there in big moments. It's earned him some rope. To be on this team. It's earned him some role. Exactly. Lilligran had that opportunity time and time again with the least because he's been here for a while. And with this head coach, He could have performed better in preseason. At the beginning of the season, he wasn't given that opportunity because he wasn't good then. That's his own play. It's not on management that he didn't earn that spot.

The money factors in. I don't know if Timmins is miles better than Lilligren, but the problem is Timmins makes less than half.

Here's what Peter Wallen, who is Lilligren's agent, had to say that Steve alluded to. He said, He's always been on alert somehow. He's always needed to prove himself to the leaves. We always felt they didn't really, really like him. They liked him, but they didn't love him. I don't know.

That's not the player you need. Can you read the quote again?

He's always been on alert somehow. He's always needed to prove himself to the leaves. We always felt they didn't really, really like him. They liked him, but they didn't love him. I don't know.

This is the National Hockey League. Yeah.

Show us. You always need to prove yourself. Yeah.

What are you talking about? They spent a first-round pick on you. They brought you to North America immediately. You won a Calder Cup with them. Listen, I'm not going to sit here and pretend over the years, we didn't go, Dude, what the hell? What does Lilligran got to do to be playing games over Justin Hall? And there were times where he a million % deserved to be playing games over Hall where he wasn't. And I can understand understand how that might screw with the person's confidence. And it's not like I don't ever have questions of confidence in myself. But the best athletes in the sport have a deeply ingrained belief in themselves that gets them over the top.

I'm never going to fault any agent for defending their team. No. How no? Saying something publicly that supports their player. Like, yeah, just pencil that in. They're going to do that. I think that makes sense.

And that's just gentle a criticism of the leafs as I've ever heard an agent say, but maybe that's just because we hang out with Walsh.

And he's also being paid to say things like that.

Yeah. So, yeah, that's his job.

Let someone I know make $3 million and employ me. I will defend the hell out of them.

Are you kidding? Timothée Lilligren was drafted ahead of Josh Norris, Robert Thomas, Philip Heedle, Jake Ottinger. I mean, even Morgan Frost.

Here, give me a defenseman.

A defenseman?

Yeah, because all those guys- So he was drafted just after Uso Vallamacky, Eric Brandstrom, and Cal Foot.

So the draft was going all defense at that point. So from 15 to 18.

I'm not going to lie, he worked out better than most of the names you just mentioned.

Pierre Olivier Joseph was drafted after him. Henry Yokey Haru in Chicago. He's okay. He's played a lot more games. Connor Timmins in first pick of the second round. Actually, that's hilarious. Nicholas Hague Vegas, third pick. Oh, yeah. Nick Hague, yeah. Gustave Lindstrom.

But then how far down are you going now?

You're going far. But it's interesting, though, is that Mario Ferrero was picked 49th, which would have been great. I look at the I look at the Leaps here and go, okay, he was supposed to go top five. That was a shock that he fell that far.

They made the right pick.

You had to try.

Considering they got William Neelander. I discovered this or reminded myself of this while shooting the Lilligran Trade video. The Leaps' first round picks go as follows. 2014, William Neelander, 2015, Mitch Marner, 2016, Austin Matthews, 2017, Timothée Lilligran. We're looking at this rebuild, and you might look at that and go, Oh, just get the best player, get the best forward. Dude, 2012 was Morgan Reilly. That was the last defenseman they picked first round. Then it was Freddie the Goat, Willy, Mitch, Austin, even like Korschkow was first pick of the second round in 2016. It's all forward.

It's all because they were daft in the way they drafted for a while there. The Mark Hunter draughts were not very good despite what was propagated by one member of the media that people swallowed hook, line, and sinker, outside of the first rounds, Mark Hunter didn't have a great draft record here. Guys like who you just mentioned, Korschkow.

What was the stat that went around? I think it was Josh Cloakey. Out of the 2017 and '18 drafts, the only guy left is Pontus Humberg or something like that. It's really not good. But they needed a defenseman. And how long have they needed a right-handed defenseman? It's the 2017 draft. We just watched Eric Carlson basically, Hercules, the sends to nearly the Stanley Cup final. And this kid falls into the Leifs laps at 17. And we're like, well, you're not going to take him. You You have to. He was the right pick. I think things cannot work out, and it still be the right decision at the time.

I think that the agent saying the least liked him, but they didn't love him. I think it was because in big moments, he made big mistakes. At the beginning of last season, Steve took a lot of heat, and I think this is worth bringing up, for saying, We got to find out what Timothée Lilligren is. Are you a top four defenseman or are you waiver guy? The reality is we still don't know the answer to that. I don't think he's quite waiver guy.

I'm pretty confident. I like the draft capital to leave Scott. This is frigging great for Lilligran's career. Yes. I'm confident he will not be waiver guy for at least a few years, even if things don't work out. Here, he was dangerously close to being waiver guy. If he didn't make three million bucks, he a million % would have been waiver guy. If he didn't shoot right-handed, he would have been waiver guy.

Yeah.

Oh, well.

It happens.

I don't begrudge that. A lot of people like this guy. He had a lot of good numbers in sheltered third pair of minutes. And he was the king of giving you two weeks of, this guy is going to be a God, Hockey. And And then he'd get exposed. He was one of many prospects over the Matthews era who would tease you and tantalize you and sink more than swim more often than not over the long term. Right.

A lot of defensemen like that. So the deal has happened. Matt Benning is a leaf. The third and the six rounders are leaf picks. And I would imagine that that third round becomes pretty valuable come Trade deadline.

Yeah. In my video, I went over some of the trades that were made at last year's deadline. Vladimir Tarasenko, who won a cup with the Panthers, was had for a third and a fourth. Carolina got Labushkin for a third. Tyler Toffoli went to the Jets for a second and a third.

Carolina got Labushkin for a third? I thought he was a leaf.

Not last year. Wait, or was it last year? No.

Wasn't Bush a leaf? Am I losing mind?

What did you say, Steve?

I said Labushkin to the Hurricane.

Wasn't Labushkin a leaf?

Maybe I misread the thing that I saw. Anyway, Jesse will look that up. Joel Edmondson was a third and a fifth. Right. So I Yeah. Is that going to get you a superstar at the deadline? No. But it's just something that helps you along the way.

Yeah. Labushka never played for the Huracans. Yeah. I thought that was weird. Oh, well. Yeah. He played for... He was on the leafs last year. Yeah.

I know people are like, Can you take 20 seconds to Google couple of things, but it's 20 seconds times 100. You don't realize how many things are said. I fucked up. I'm sorry.

That's okay. Steve, you should live in that shape forever. I will. Yeah, I don't think it matters. The point is that when we've got- It was a third, though, wasn't it? Probably was. The point is, I think the least went into this year thinking, We hope that we don't have to make a move at the deadline for a depth defenseman. In fact, I think if they're going to make a move for anything, it's going to be a center. I think they're making a move for a center at some point. Unless Domi. Domi's looked pretty good on that third line. I think he's probably better suited at the wing, but I will take that. I would love for them to add to depth scoring at the That's a good line. Steve.

Yes.

Let's clarify and give you some credit. Because he was a hurricane. The Ducks acquired Kareel Slips from the hurricanes for Labushkin, who then They flipped to Toronto for a sixth round pick. The way that Toronto got Elia Labushkin last February was in a three-way deal via the Carolina hurricane. But no third was involved there.

I used NHLtradetracker. Com, which separated all of it. So maybe I just misread it.

Yeah, no third, but he came to the lease via the hurricanes. There you go. There's something.

And I dropped my poppy.

Oh, man. Wow. First one.

How long did it take?

Disrespectful of the veterans. Can you imagine? I don't know where it is. Okay. Here, watch this. I'll set up the next topic. I'll set up the next topic.

Lumos. There you go.

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I believe I said over.

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No, two. He would need to make two.

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No, could be worse.

I mean, yeah, could be way worse. He could be not scoring like that, and we could be in trouble, and that DeVar's line would not be working out. Here's the thing. Yesterday, Yesterday, he had a great offensive game, but he had some bad defensive gaps. What year is this?

I know.

It was interesting because they were trying to get him the goal at the end of the game. I thought, and we'll talk about the Leifs generally, but I wanted to start with Neil later because he made the headlines. The Leifs played a really complete game. The guy that got shouted at the most for the bad giveaways, first He got the bad penalty handover pocket. Can't do that.

That was so dumb. I forgot to mention the LFR.

And then the giveaway where Barubey, yells at him when he comes back to the bench.

He needs to be He's always, always. I don't know why people are acting surprised. He's always been the player who needs to be grabbed by the collar a little bit sometimes and woken up. He's out there. He's so talented wanted that he could effortlessly go out there and get three points and get two goals and probably be the game's MVP. Like, Riley got the team belt last night, and I'm pretty sure that's because Willy had it from the game before. Yeah. And he gave it to Riley for setting him up with a nice pass for a goal.

Tavares had it the game before.Oh, he did?Yeah. Oh, well, then Tavares. Because he had the hat-trick, right?

Right. But Willy had a really good game, too. The whole line had a really good game. Back-to-back, really good games for that line. The only time, the only season in recent memory, I can't really think of Willy needing to be slapped awake by his coach, almost always Sheldon Keef, was last year. And that might have had something to do with the generational wealth contract, the largest contract in Toronto, Mapleee's history, that was potentially looming if he did a good job. So he's obviously great. He's great. William Neilland Alexander is capable of better. I got to remind everyone of the way we were talking about Willy last year, coming out of Sweden. Heading into Sweden, he was doing very well. In Sweden, he might have been their best player.Oh, he was.Yeah. In the month or so that followed, we were like, this guy is one of the best players in the National Hockey League right now. And that's not how we spoke about him before. He's one of the best leaves.

He's the third best forward on the team.

Is he or isn't he better than Marner? Yeah.

But even that was mostly, well, Marner is better. Up until last year-100 %. That's what it was.

And any other recollection of that is revisionist history. It wasn't until last year where we were like, Oh, I think one might be better than the other. And it's opposite of what we thought. He's capable of being one of the best players in the National Hockey League. Craig Baroubi's job Beyond X's and O's is to bring up the best in his players. William Nylander, in some ways, is his greatest challenge. Here it is. If you do a good enough job, this guy is not only going to be one of the best players in the NHL for you, he's also going to be your best playoff performer. And we know that because he consistently has been. He's his greatest challenge in some ways. Yeah. Berubey has got a job to and he's doing it. Let him cook.

Yep, absolutely. I'm cool with it. Absolutely. Worth mentioning, Max Patcheretti has four points in his last two games. Last night, guys, he hit a career high, which he's only Done twice. Seven hits.

Dude, I didn't know he was like this.

Well, he talked about it before the game. It was an adjustment that he made, right? But I'm going to send Jesse over this hit, and I think you guys will remember this where he put one of the crack and players into the into the bench.

He said, Look out, there's a new leaf in town, leaf legend Jared McCand.

I have to say it was really nice not to get lit up by a former leaf last night. It was so great.

So good.

Doesn't It does not feel good. It does not feel good?

Does that feel great? Yeah. They're just lucky Yarn Croke wasn't in the lineup, or it would have been worse. Right. Yeah. But- Track and legend, Kelly Yarn Croke.

I think there was this hit, and then there was this play.

Pause it on the moment he bends in half.

Yeah, because it's not a fun bend. It feels like it hurts. It feels like this hurts.

It looks like it hurts. Look at him. Oh, my God.

It looks like one of those Hallereen declarations where there's two legs just hanging at the back of a truck somewhere. You know what I mean?

No one knows it's coming. I think that's Tanev on the bench. He's like, Oh, Jesus, Max. That looks like Bobby McMahon. I'm not sure. Or Benny? Yeah. Everyone looks shocked, except for Willy, who doesn't give And McCann is not anticipating this check coming at all. Right.

And what I found interesting the way Max has handled this is he's not going to lay you out the way Jake McCabe will. So what he does is he'll hit like a shoulder, and that's enough. Except for this. But if you're in a corner, you're playing a board game, whatever, he will hit your shoulder enough to move your hand and stick off the buck. It's clinical hits rather than big time, lay you out on the ice, Deon for enough style.

Otherwise known as a hit. The way hits are tallied is so dumb. But it's supposed to be, if I'm not mistaken, it's making body contacts that removes the puck from your opponent. Now, this is a little different on account of the puck is long gone.

It is real close to interference, but it's...

Holy shit. He breaks that man in half.

No, Look at how much bigger he is.

Holy shit.

Jesse, I've got the other play that I wanted to highlight for Max Paturetti here because he's the one on the line that hasn't scored in the last two games, and they've had crazy opportunities.

I don't think he gives a shit.

No, I don't think he cares either. But he does little things, and they highlighted this on the broadcast and tic-tac to him. I had it on his Twitter. I'm like, I'm so glad he had this because I wanted to freeze frame this. The protection, and you'll see William Neelander go and score a goal after this. If you just forward this a little bit, if you can jump forward. So there's... Actually, further back, further back, further back. Back? Yeah. So watch the way Patcheready is defending. He's got two crack in on him. And he used it right there. Everly's behind him. He's using his ass.

He's also using the lines.

He's also using the lines. But he's using his butt to be like, no, you can't. And Willy's going to catch up. And then if you go right towards the four or five seconds in the future here, you're going to see him push it forward. Seattle defenseman overcommits, and he's able to get it past him as well. And then Neelander jumps in and takes the buck.

I think it was something Mike Johnson brought up. Like that he just set up as a tripod. One thing when this line was put together, I'm like, Okay, who's doing the work, though? And I wasn't familiar enough with Max Paturetti's game, apparently. I didn't know he could grind like this. A player who can change what they do entirely is going to last so long in this league. We talked about Cory Perry. That's him. He was heart trophy guy. He was lead your team and scoring guy. And his transition to third or fourth-line bane of your existence has been the stuff of legend. If Max Patcheready can have a similar renaissance as you're no longer... You might score 30, but you're no longer dependent on for it. If you're just a half a point a game, maybe a little bit above that battering ram, and you're not costing your team dumb penalties. You're not a defensive liability. Every team in the league needs that.

Look at the Luke Chenesant.

The Luke Chenesant.

You know what I mean? That's so good. Right? Look at how his life changed in Well, Tampa Bay, Vancouver, and then Toronto. And then he goes and signs that gigantic contract in Nashville, which he deserves and has lived up to.

Something about Vancouver makes a defenseman go, All right, I got to get my shit together. And with Luke Shenn, it was there. And with OEL, it was, Okay, I never want to go through that again.

Yes. Tavares, when he is on the ice this year, the Leaps have scored 11 goals. They have only allowed two five on five.

In 11 games.

And that's a guy that we were on six days ago of like, what the hell? What's going on here?

I think overall, even when we were dumping on him, he was a positive. That's not enough. Being a positive is not enough. If he's not performing, the whole team falls down. All of a sudden, it's easier to key in on the top line. It's easier to just shut the whole offense down, which puts stress on the defense, which puts stress on the goalies. When he's performing, at least during the regular season, which we're currently in, they're a really difficult team to beat. If the Leaps have two lines going, that means you have to have at least two lines going. And not every team can stack their first two lines up against what the Leaps have. They're in a good spot.

Matthew Nye scored his sixth in 10 games. Goofy. Or is it 11? It doesn't matter. 11. 11 games. And then immediately, the TSN panel goes to, So what's his next deal look like? Which I respect. Darren Dregger said it'll likely be a bridge deal. And listen, I'm sure that someone in Niza's team tipped him off to that, and that's fine. But guys, I do want to say I'm going to keep bringing it up until it's true. Remember how I told you, Jake Sanderson money for this guy? Would that be so bad?

I think more Dylan Genthard, probably.

Yeah.

What's...

I mean- Sanderson's eight, I think, and Genthard's seven.

But also his agent is not going to walk in there and be like, My power forward client is the same as Jake Sanderson.

You're going to lose using Genthr.

The comparable is going to be Genthr, right? So it depends on what he does. I mean, you know who I'm pretty sure was pretty pissed about the Alexi Lafferinear extension was Matthew Nies. Matthew Nies. His agent like, Oh, fuck. I got to go in there and argue that my client's better than Lafineer.

And you can't. Yeah. And I think if the deal is seven million bucks, I don't know what the cap looks like next year for the least, but if the deal for Nies is seven million over eight, I think you do that deal.

Okay, I don't want to be this person. It might be a bit difficult to conduct long term business when you to have Marner and Tavares hanging over the franchise. Those are two very, very, very large decisions that need to be-Yeah, I think that's why Niza will have to wait. I think you get Niza done regardless. Oh, do you? He's that good. He's disgusting. They haven't had a player like him in a very-What if his manager is like, No, it's okay.

We'll wait.

That would probably be the smart thing to do. Don't show them this show, please.

Do not. Now, the Matthews goal towards the end of the game is worth revisiting. But I would like to, gentlemen, and Jesse, I have this in our text chat here. I would like to revisit the plays that led to the Matthews goal. Because the Matthews goal on its own is crazy. The geometry, we'll talk about it. But there is some commitment from his line mates, and I'm going to use that word commitment, that I have not seen the Toronto Maple Leifs do simply in this generation.

Well, you know what it was? It's not something we've seen from the Leifs very much in the entire Matthews era. Babcock did this, Keef did this. It would be two members of the top line plus guy I trust, because the top line almost always featured guy I don't trust. For example, the leaves have a lead in third period. You know at some point, 15 minutes left, 10 minutes left, 8 minutes left. Sorry, Michael Bunting, you're going to ride Pine or play on the third line. And guy I trust is probably Kerfoot or like someone else is going to take your spot. There's a few minutes left in the game. The Leaps are defending a two goal lead. And I'm like, That's just the first line. Isn't that so lovely Refreshing.

Now, look at that. There's all three of them. You've got a puck against the boards. And one of the things, Jesse, you've mentioned this, and they were mentioning this over the training camp is board battles. Barube loves to practice these, right?

Yeah, definitely. And you got Mitch displaying that right there. He's working real hard to get this puck, and Matthew's coming up for support to grab it, and he kicks it loose.

And this was really great work. And Mitch, believe it or not, you could see two Seattle guys on him, and he's pushing They're moving them. They're moving back. He's moving forward, which is crazy.

There's a tenacity and a willingness to use his body in Mitch's game this season that has not been there before.

And so, Jesse, if you could fast I'm going to forward this a little bit to when the puck squirts out. And I want you to watch not Matthews, because Matthews does help Mitch dig this out. Gord and I think that's McCann are on him. And Matthews Marner, board play, can you imagine? Matthews gets it over to to Nize here.

Yeah, Nye's is, Hey, pass me the puck guy.

Out of those three. Now, there are five leaves condensed into that spot, but there are five crack in, too. So it's just the way the play went. But if you look at what Nize does next, watch 23 here because Seattle actually gets control of this fuck and look at what Nize does.

What does he do?

Uses his body and pushes the guy over.

He's a truck.

The guy has the puck, and I don't know what the guy's name or number is. I can't really tell. It doesn't matter.

Well, yeah, because Nize is engulfing him.

The puck is turned over to Seattle at the blue line. Jordan Eberle is right there. If you can get the puck to him, it's a one on one, but they can't because Nize goes, I'm going to run you over. And then that allows Matthews, the room, to carry it across the blue line and shoot. And leading up to this, and I think this is important context if you miss the game, Neylander had tried several times to get his hat-trick goal, but the crack and roll over him. And I was like, Guys, this is getting ridiculous. Just flip and score, and then crack and score it and wrecked wall shut out.

Now, a lot of people were getting on Neylander for that.

No, you try to get them. You try to get him.

You try to get him, but also, if you don't want that to happen, you don't put Domi out there with him.

Yeah, because Domi is going to be like, That's my guy.

Domi shooting never crossed his mind. Yeah. It's Domi. He's going to try to get Willy the Hattie.

Absolutely. Because he's a great teammate. It's not a criticism on account of they won.

It might have turned into a criticism if they didn't.

The reason that that puck was even in the zone where Matthews and Marner had to dig it out is because 20 seconds before that, Matthews had a chance to clear and he didn't. And so that part, the commitment to capture the play again, Mitch pushing two guys along the boards, Matthews going in, helping him out, actually giving the puck away, Nye's crushing a Seattle player at the blue line. You could see it, and then Matthew's, and then we'll talk about the bank shot. I will let you guys take the bank shot. I just think those two at least needed a little bit of a shout out before we talk about geometry.

I mean, it's an empty netter, and you don't want to overly be like, Oh, my gosh, and fawn over an empty netter. The juegos, the balls to be like, I can do this. This is a good idea.

Look at where he's looking.

He's not close to the center ice line. This is going to be icing, and it's going to be icing with Probably a minute 40 to go in the third period of a two goal game.

After a hard shift, too.

That is easily a scenario you could screw up. And teams have screwed up this season in recent memory. Not only does it go in, it goes dead center of the net. He's worked on this. No, I'm serious. This is definitely something he's tried, just screwing around because he knows he's going to be out there in these scenarios, and there are going to be times where this is just straight up a practical thing to do.

Well, it was there.

Yes, this was not a hope and a prayer. This was a highly skilled, highly prepared player scoring a sick empty netter, as sick as an empty netter can be. Adam, you watched it in real-time. What was your reaction? I was like, What the hell are you doing?

Yeah, I thought it was icing. I'm like, Ah, shit.

Jesse, also? I don't want to burst your bubble, but every NHL player could do that if set in practice. It's like NBA players. If you ask them to make a half-court shot outside of a game, every NBA player could do it.

This is in a game.

Yeah, that's the impressive part. They did it mid-game, but the idea that everybody on the ice couldn't bank a pocket- Logan Stanley cannot do this, Jesse.

Logan Stanley cannot do this.

A hundred % he could.

A hundred % he could. No, he can't.

If you sent Logan Stanley- Matt Rempe cannot He did not do this.

If Matt Rempe showed up to your beer league- He's a professional hockey player.

If Matt Rempe showed up to your beer league, he'd be ripping Michigan's.

Yeah.

To a beer league.

That's what I'm saying. I'm talking about, can you do it during the game?

Yeah. No, the idea of doing it during a game is wild. All credit to Matthews, but the idea of being able to do it.

In a game. In a game.

He did it in a game. Yeah. No.

Every preseason, someone shows me highlights of Ben Simmons hitting threes. Exactly. And then every regular season, he doesn't freaking do it.

Exactly. Okay? He also has to play games.

Well, there's that. Well, there's so many games, but I don't know. I can't remember a player ever doing this.

Matthew Nye said that Austin Matthews told me ace geometry, which I loved. Good quote.

Good word, Matt. Good word. College. There's that college.

And there was a clip floating around. I don't know if you guys saw this, of Tavares given Matthew Nye's shit for being on his phone all the time. And he's like, he doesn't have a whole lot going on upstairs. And he starts laughing. I was like, oh, John.

He's always on his phone. He's probably playing the Minions game or something.

It was enough clowning around. It was a game where the Leaps got to take advantage of the fact that Seattle were missing their best two defensemen, and they're two of the best defensemen, Montour and Dun. They didn't look very good. They didn't look very good. But back to what I was saying, that keyword commitment. There's a commitment from this team, and I know that there's probably a little work to do on the third line. The power play is second last in the entire league, but I feel like the wheels are turning again. I want to ask you guys what you saw because I felt, at very least, the power play switch up where they started Willy and John's line, it looked good. It didn't score.

The power play that went out, was it middle of the game-ish? They had a Max Domi post and a play where Patch already had his hands in the air because he thought he scored. Yes. There's definitely positive momentum there where they had two almost goals, but at the end of the day, they didn't score. If your power play is bottom part of the league, that's a serious problem because that can sink you not only in the regular season, but in the playoffs.

But I thought power play goals didn't count.

No, they still count as goals on the board. You just spam the power play. It's a thing you can do. I'm still concerned. It needs to turn around fairly quickly, so it doesn't become a part that really tanks their regular season here in terms of just putting up points against opponents. But there's definitely last night, it looked a lot better. Having Willy run that first group where everything ran through him, it really worked. Then that second group was a lot of fun. Having Matthews just out there second, that was crazy.

Glass half full for them to have their current record and be scoring that they're scoring and their power play completely sucks. That's encouraging. It means they're doing good things at five on five. I feel like it's probably more likely that the power play at least somewhat It triggers it out.

Yeah. But after last week, I'm not willing to let go of the bar of standard of play for the least because the St. Louis game should have been your get-right game, and then you lose to Boston on that. The bar for them has to be you're dominating the regular season, and we're seeing you play great hockey all year long to get into the playoffs. From there, that's the momentum. Okay, you have this good win against Seattle, but let's keep fixing all these issues.

I'm a little bitter. I mean, I'm happy they won the last two games, but I'm a little bitter of the Leifs getting out, played by Boston and losing to them. Every headline about the Bruins since has been about how much they suck.

Oh, man. We're talking about them next. They're bad. Oh, I know. It's bad. And that part, I think the Boston Bruins, as an aside, are the leaves boogie man. That's pretty obvious. They'll figure it out. And they're going to have to figure it out. Whether or not they do figure it out is completely up to them. They have to, though, because I don't think Boston is sitting at the bottom of the Atlantic forever.

I think, just making it about the leaves again. As we should. I think Jessie's... You're probably looking at them like, you're not as As good as people say. You're not as bad as people say. So last week, we were really shitting on them. And because last week went terribly, this week has gone pretty well. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

But The bottom two power play is unacceptable.

Yeah, you can't have that. That's crazy.

You can't have that.

It's like 8.4 % or something. It's really bad.

There's 30 teams better than you. What do you mean?

Yeah.

Who's the-30 team.

The ducks are better.

Who's the team below them?

Let me look that up. I had that up on Quant Hockey here.

Guaranteed, it's like a good thing.

Don't go too deep into it, Jesse, because I have some other stuff on the power play later on that I'd like to talk to. It's the savers. Oh, never mind.

Oh, shit.

Yeah, that's right. The ducks have more goals on the power play than the leaves do. Don't show it. Don't show up, please.

I'm going into other things on it, guys.

You're lucky I can't see shit.

Gee Willikers.

Yeah, the caps who are fucking right above the least in 20... What are the least? You said 30th or 31st? The Caps are 30th. They're seven and two. That's right. We're getting some teams that are doing really good at five on five and nothing at five on four.

Guys, that's the fucking story I wanted to get into later. Both of you are blowing the Washington capital story right now.

Jesse, getting into the Caps.

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Yeah, because that's big.

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Yeah, why don't we just talk?

Okay, because they're a wagon. And what's interesting about the Caps, I did a little deep dive. Yes, their power play is bad, really bad. They're 9.4 %. So they've had same amount of goals as the Lefs, but only 32 opportunities, or the least have had more. So they're doing it all at five on five. Penalty kill is top 10, but goals four are in the top 10, and least goals allowed or goals roll out, however you want to look at that, is also in the top 10. What's interesting about the caps is you always... If a team surprises you, you go, What's their PDO? For anybody that doesn't know what PDO, generally, it's basically like a luck filter.

Yeah, it's an imperfect stat, but it's your team's safe percentage plus your team's shooting percentage. They should add up to roughly 100. If it's a little above, all right. If it's a little below, all right. If it's completely out of whack- Like 107%. Then that means you're lucky as shit, and that's probably going to regress. If you're at 93, you could probably count on luck swinging back your way a little bit.

What's interesting, though, about PDO is people talk about PDO vendors. The thing about PDO vendors, and they exist, is they can last an entire year. We've seen it. We've seen it happen. Saw it happen with the Colorado Avalanche years and years and years ago. The least?

Yeah, the Patrick- In the year.

In the Leifs, 2013.

Yeah, absolutely. Pdo benders that last the entire... But the Avs one is interesting because they went the entire year, 82 games. The Lefs one is like a half season coming off of a lockout. So I think what we're seeing here with the Capitals is that despite a terrible power play, a pretty good penalty kill, this is a really good team. A good team, and they are leading-What did you say about their PDO?

What did you say about their PDO?Pedios 101.

Oh, okay. So it's not one of those teams.

Yeah, it's not a no. And their points percentage is actually tops in the division. New Jersey has played five more games than anybody else because of the check series. So they are currently tied in points percentage for the lead in their division, which I think is... I mean, listen, the Caps making the playoffs last year was an absolute miracle. It took the Flyers to just lose, fall off a cliff in the last few games, and the Penguins to just be like, Okay, we can't play Tristan Jari anymore. He stinks, and we can't score in the power play. The capital snuck in there. But this team seems better. And sneakily, Dylan Strom and Conor McMichael, the better Mick, they're having great years. Dylan Strom's got 13 points. Ovechkin's got 10. Connor McMichael's got 10.

I'm happy I'm doing this and not Adam, because maybe this will give it a little more credibility, because because people think that you're just out there to kill the penguins. But the Capitals are always going to be tied to the penguins. The Capitals rebuilt on the fly. They're way younger than the Pens.

Way younger.

Their important parts are way younger than the pens. Look at it. Like you said, Dylan Strom, 2015 draft, journeyman, but he's doing crazy.

And he was good last year for them, too.

Yeah, former third overall pick coming into his own 13 points in nine games, like you said. Rumors of Alex Ovechkin's demise has been greatly exaggerated. Five goals, five assists, 10 points in nine games. Connor McMichael is tied with the exact same stat line. There's a young guy coming into his own. Alexi Protas Nine points in nine games. There's another young guy, 2001, born, coming into his own. Tom Wilson with a clean bill of health, eight points in nine games. John Carlson, older guy, eight points in nine games. Then there are some guys where I'm like, okay, is this going to last? Like TVR, six points in nine games. That's a pretty crazy pace. But would you look at who's been downright useful? One goal, only one goal, but four assists for five points in nine games. Pierre-luc Friggin Dubois. I know Chikrin has been really well liked in Washington, and he's done a good job there.

He's got hurt, though, unfortunately.

Yeah, I know. He just got hurt. But Dubois, The mission for this season isn't to make him an $8 million forward. Pump the brakes. The mission is to make him more useful than he was in LA. The bar is so low.

Get him out of the fourth line.

Five points in nine games? That's a step in the right direction. Big time. Big time. And all of a sudden, look, Dylan Strom, who led them in scoring last year. Look how much better he's doing because of a little depth up front. They did a lot of great things this summer, and they've been doing a lot of great things.

They took chances, though. These things could have gone horribly for them.

Well, Monjupane is a project, and he hasn't exactly been incredible. But this is a team that- But you go and you sign Matt Roy.

You outbid the lease for him. Pay him more than the lease were willing to go.

You changed up what you are in net a little bit. This is a team that's been... They did the right things this summer, but they've been doing the right things for for a little while now. Ovechkin is eventually going to retire, and they'll live. It'll change their identity, but we're not going to be talking about them like, Oh, they're fucked now.

It's not going to be a Chicago or San Jose bottoming out in the same way.

What is the- Or in Anaheim. I hate to keep going back to them, but when Littang and Malkin and Crosby finally leave town, retirement or otherwise, it's going to be a dust bowl. What the hell do they got?

Well, let me throw this at you. Washington is doing the right things. The Penguins Ducks game last night drew 14,945 fans at PPG Pants.

In Pittsburgh?

Excluding COVID-19, the lowest attended pens game ever at PPG.

Oh, shit.

And that's because they had lost six straight at home. Now, they won last night. It was exciting. Good. But it's the Ducks. And it's the Ducks. But Nadelkovic had to make some crazy saves. I don't know if you guys saw this. I should actually show you this.

The Ducks, they're not sad like they were a couple of years ago.

They actually have a better record than the penguins do. There you go. But Jess, the penguins at one point-They're better.

They're better. I should stop talking about them.

Listen, Crosby's goal was crazy last night because he stole it off Cutter Goche. And just to give you an idea of where Flyers fans are at, they were posting a Crosby overtime goal celebrating Cutter Goche. Oh, wow.

They hate Goche more than Crosby?

Sorry. Celebrating Crosby over... Yeah. They hate now Cutter Goche more than they hate Sydney Crosby. It's a grudging respect for Sydney Crosby.

I mean, what else the flyerswants got right now?

Yeah, it's a little rough. It's looking a little rough. But look at this.

It's tough in the Metro.

Listen, I think they got destroyed by Anaheim last year. Leaps can relate to that. Yes. Have a look at this line Change. Count how many Pittsburgh sweaters are on the ice currently.

Oh, my God. One, two. Oh, that's the camera. I was like, What the hell is that thing in the high slot? One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight?

There are eight penguins.

What the fuck is going on in Pittsburgh? And why do I only see three flames? What happened here?

That's not flames. Those are ducks.

Ducks, my bad. Sorry, the New Jersey's. I haven't gotten used to it. Yeah. They do look like the flames. I'm not sure.

Not great. Oh, Pitt.

What are you doing?

What are you doing? Pittsburgh severely outshot the Ducks. The Ducks played. I mean, they're not that great, right?

Every year, There's one or two goalies who every night have to face 75 shots. And last year, it was Mackenzie Blackwood and Lucas Dostal. And this year, I think it might be the same two guys. It's definitely Obviously, Lucas Dostal. Man, this poor guy. I saw a clip online recently. They're like, Is he a top 10 goalie in the league? I don't know about top 10, but severely underrated player.

I wouldn't be looking at his save percentage as a thing of how to compare him-Saves per game.

It's not fair. It's got to be up there.

I also want to say that I checked in on it, and there were no other major games going on in Pittsburgh as far as I could see because they have universities and stuff in and around. Sometimes that can affect attendance, especially if a team is not that good. But obviously, no stealers game and obviously pirates are not playing.

Was that like 4,000, 5,000 short of a sellout?

Yeah. And in real estate, you've lost six... Pan's fans aren't stupid. They know this team isn't going anywhere.

No. Pittsburgh's big problem is they have really smart hockey fans.

Yeah.

That's, I think, the biggest problem the penguins face.

Yeah. Now that Crosby goal was unbelievable. He's despicable.

He's still despicable. He's the best player ever at his edge I don't think it's even comparable with any other player who's ever played in the NHL. That dude knows how to work his skates. It's crazy.

I hate to ask this question again, guys, but I know it was super cool to see Crosby delivering season tickets. Don't do it. How long before he gets tired of this? No, don't do it. Sydney Crosby, the best, according to Jesse, the best edge work in the history of the NHL, best to ever do it, best to ever do it. Got to be captain of Team Canada, is playing to non unsold out arenas at home. Not even not. It's like 3,000 or 4,000 less than capacity. How long, guys? How long are we going to do this?

Well, he gave us his answer. He's willing to wait. He's willing to stick this out and see it through and potentially even retire there.

And that's great. But I just, okay, all right. Listen, there's a lot of people trying to convince me this is going to happen, as in he's going to stay there and they're just going to be bad and that's going to be okay. And they're just going to hang on to Malkin and Littang till the end of their deals, too?

I don't know.

That's up to them. And Carlson is being snied to the media. Everybody's like, Eric Carlson is such a badass. You've seen the man play? Have you seen what he's doing? Misses in the entire training camp is all of a sudden good to go for- Haven't seen him pivot. Have you seen him give the fuck away a million times? Listen, I hate to say it because I love Pittsburgh. I love the city. I love going. I've actually never seen a Pen's game. You've been to a Pens game in the final.

The Stanley Cup final, the Benino, Benino, Benino. You were there. Yeah. Oh, it was unbelievable.

But of all the teams in the league, I think, structurally, they're the worst contract-wise. You can't move that Eric Carlson deal if he's going to play like this.

Dubas hadn't even left the Leaps yet, and we were talking about this. I was like, who the hell-So what's Dubas do?

You know what? Let me make it worse. I'm going to trade for Carlson, sign Graves, and extend Jarring.

What we talked about it before he even got there, I was like, that's the hardest job in hockey is figuring out the Pittsburgh Penguins.

So he's got a seven-year deal. And my question is, because clearly he was brought in to be the guy who rebuilds it. When does that start?

His job is either be the man who trades Sydney Crosby or somehow figure out how to rebuild the penguins without doing that. Right.

And now- I think both things are impossible. Was Crosby's extension two or three years, guys? Do you guys remember?

Two? I don't remember.

I don't know. So that's my question is-Yeah, it's two years, but he has to play through this season, right?

Right. So it's three seasons.

You want to tell me that this is going to continue for three more seasons? Graves, unmovable. Jari, unmovable. Carlson, unmovable.

We've already-Cydney, won't move.

Malkin and Littang, don't want to.

What are we doing? Listen, it's way juicier and sexier to be like, he's getting traded. But until he shows the The slightest inkling that he's sick of this, it's just us looking at the situation and going, Yeah, that's pretty shit. But all that matters is how he feels about it, and he's not ready to give up on the penguins, which is inspiring.

Sure. Go down with the ship, I guess.

But he's trying to prevent the ship from going down.

Ships going down.

It's not the captain of the Titanic nobly standing there as violins play. This is a guy, he's trying to plug the hole.

He's down there going, No, don't worry.

No, no, no, no, no, Major part of the acquisition for Jake Gensel was Michael Bunting.

Had a great run with Pittsburgh, 19 points in 21 games at the end of the season last year. Was averaging about 17 minutes a night. This year, he's averaging 14 and a half minutes a night. He's already been scratched. He has one assist in 11 games.

They need better defensive performances out of everyone. And little Easter egg earlier in the show, he's not a guy who can provide you with that.

And Sullivan doesn't like that.

I mean, no coach likes that. He can score. He can score. And the Penguins last year were playing, We're just going to have to win seven, six. And so he fit that. That's not going to work anymore. But again, who else? We were like, Okay, so it's Bouvillier then? It's like a coming off the injury rust.

It's Kevin Hayes?

Oh, man.

It's a lot to put on Kevin Hayes.

It's a lot, man.

Yeah. And the Riley Smith experiment didn't work out there. I think it's working out better in New York.

Where's Alexi Prodas? Where's their version of that?

Where's That's Roger McGordy.

Where's- And where's he?

And he's not going to be in the NHL unless his skating improves. Right.

So where's Connor McMichael?

What's the guy in a Boston Patras? Patra. Yeah, Patra. We're someone like that.

Like a middle of the first round guy who you just did a decent job on. How about a late first round? How about a second? Who's coming It's a terrible situation.

Noel Achari was on, I believe, the second line the other day, which is not ideal.

That's a player I really like.

I love Nola Chari. I don't want him on my second line. No. I love him. I wish he hadn't left. No. What, Jessie? What?

No, that's a tough second liner.

It reminds me of when Rob Klinkhammer was playing top-line minutes for them. Remember when everybody was injured? Oh, shit. Remember that? Oh, yeah.

I mean, jeez, he might be top-line of the Aves.

Oh, man.

You might be top line of the Aves. Can I backtrack a little and just say my piece on the Washington Capitals?

Oh, yeah, sorry.

It's not even top line on Rainds. Did you have the save percentage of the goal tending? No, I didn't. Because that, to me, is the most indicative of why this team is a real wagon. Everything can change.

Seven and two, though.

They're away. We're still early in the season. Things can change. Things can go in different directions. But Adam, read out their two goal tenders, their safe percentage.

Okay, let me just move. I'm on the capital's website, and I am... Oh.

Yeah, no, read it out.

No. Yeah, yeah. Jesse. Yeah, no, read it out.

This is why they are for real, and this Everything's going to keep cooking. Washington Capitals fans, you should be excited for a good season this year. Read it out.

Logan, I was traded at the Autograph table, Thompson, 876.

Oh, shit. That's Vesta That's all the territory.

Charles III, Lingran, 882 safe percentage. Both.

Awful.

And their PK is in the top 10.

They're seven and two.

Awful. Their PK is 10th.

But with that awful goal tending, you know what they're doing? What are they doing? Right now, goals against per game, 12th. Very reasonable. What the fuck? 12th. Top half of the NHL. What? The reason they're able to perform like this with that awful goal tending and get these great results is the shots against per game. Teams are only managing to get 24 shots per game against the Washington Capitals. It's number one in the entire league by a wide margin. It's because Spencer Carbury, I don't know how he had this in them, he's created this defense that's incredible at not allowing anything to get to the net. That is a great recipe for success when you're able to win hockey games at a 7-2 clip to start the season with sub 880 goal tending and not allow any type of shots on goal. This seems for real because the defense is for real.

Jesse, hang on. Let me just lead with this. Here's a stat. Yeah, add to it. Their shot differential, I didn't even know this was a stat, this is great, is a plus 66. Overall, overall.

Over nine games, they've had 66 more shots on goal than those.

I believe it averages out to over 10.

If you add shots-7.33 is the average.

Right.

Carolina is the top of them, is the top of the thing. They're a plus 92. But here's what's interesting. The Capitals have allowed 217 shots this year. To put that into context, we got a significant following here in Southern Ontario. Sure. The Leaps have allowed 317 shots over that same amount of time. A hundred less shots in 10 games.

You're right. They're averaging about 31 on their end, and then they're allowing about 24. Every single game, every time they step on ice, they're going to get seven more shots than their opponent. If that's sustainable, if they're able to keep this up and just keep playing the same systems that they're doing, which is, I think, one of the most repeatable ways to be a good hockey team is through defense in systems, as opposed to we have high scoring players.

We believe that.

If they just keep this up, this team is going to be high in the division, high in the playoff spot all year long.

I love you, Jesse, because you're like, Look at this hunk of shit goal tending. This is proof they're good. Yeah, no, it is.

That was crazy.

But But you're able to win with garbage. Well, I mean, and those aren't two garbage goalies, though.

No. Lingerin is the whole reason they got into the playoffs last week.

I think he earned a heart vote. Yeah, because they're dead without him.

Oh, yeah, they were bad.

People forget, too, they didn't make the playoffs based on points. They won the tiebreaker with the Red Wings. Yes. They both finished with 91 points. Actually? They just have more regulation wins. Oh, dear. So I feel bad for Red Wings fans, but that's the only reason they snuck in the playoffs last year, and largely Lingerin, who was playing really well. And this year, I don't know what Carborie is doing over there. I don't know enough about the coaching staff, but they've cooked up something real special.

Realistically, the They'll probably score a little less. And they'll also allow a little less.

By looking at the stat, though, I have instantly identified the oilers problem. They are second in the league in shot differential.

Do you have the chart facing the right direction?

I do. They are second in the league in shot differential. They're ahead of the caps behind the Carolina Hurricanes, meaning that the Edmonton oilers needs some goal tending. They are not allowing a ton of shots in comparison to the rest of the league. They are shooting opponents by an average of 7.6 shots a game. So maybe that's some of that structural defense, the types of shots that players are getting. And yeah, the oilers are lacking talent on their back end, of course. I honestly, Tim O'Lilligran would have made a lot of sense there. I can't believe they weren't interested.

They got a Team Canada defenseman.

That's right. Yeah, I play killing penalties. Killing the play, too. But I look at the oilers and I go, Man, if Stuart Skinner just decides to be a 900 goal tender, they're going to be fine.

And last year, he woke up randomly in the middle of the season.

When did he wake up? What month was it?

For no reason. He was like, Okay, I'll start playing good again. And hopefully, I think they're all just, fingers crossed, he does it again. He woke up at Chris Knoblack o'clock.

Well, yeah. So that would have been what?

November-ish? Well, it was one of those things where he was horrible, completely horrible.

But so was Jack Campbell? No.

And then you're like, oh, his save percentage is above 900. And then the play-offs, he was unreal. Yes. I don't understand Stuart Skinner. Really difficult to read goalie.

Looking at the Oilers last night, we asked last show if McDavid being out 2-3 weeks and then potentially having a nurse and injury, we don't know specifically what it is or how long it will last, would they wake up? And they sure did. Arvidson got his first goal. He's not played well. Hyman got his first goal. People have been like, Where the heck is this guy? Unreal. Euler's literally commanded this game. And the Nashville Predators had been on a bit of a tear.

And Podgoles. Lozen.

Good fight. I didn't know he would fight like that.

Right to the forehead. I mean, was it a fight or did he just get one real good shot on Lozen?

Holy shit. Yeah. Leon drysidal continues to be Leon drysaddle, in case anybody's worried. He's still pretty good at hockey.

Your poppy was hanging on by the thread. Oh, was it?

Okay. Well, that's part of life.

This is going to be an ongoing battle. I like it.

It's okay. It's all right. Just let it fall. I'll get it. Just let it fall? Yeah. We'll do a poppy Absolutely not. Hoppy count. Yeah. So, yeah, I did want to shout out the oilers. Now, let's talk about the Boston Bruins. Now, the Boston Bruins are interesting, and I'm going to rewind the clock. The Austin Bruins, a couple of years ago, after signing him to an extension, Cam Neely, I believe, and who's the general manager? Don Sweeney. Don Sweeney. Don Sweeney was the guy who did it. Invited then Coach Bruce Cassidy over to his living room and said, Bruce-Invited him to his own living room? You've done nothing but win games for us. Nothing but win games. But the playoff success is not what we need, despite the fact that you have just embarrassed the Toronto Maple leaves in key games. I specifically talk about that. But if I want to go to... Oh, yeah. He lost in the first round, lost in the second round, lost in the finals, lost in the second round, lost in the second round, lost in the first round. So he loses in the first round, and they're like, You know what, Bruce?

That record's shit. Get the fuck out of Boston.

Fuck off to Vegas and go win a cup.

Yeah, and he immediately wins a cup. Now, they bring in Jim Montgomery, and Jim Montgomery is an interesting coach. This is a guy who coached the Dallas Stars, lost in the second round, and then he was fired midway through the next year, I think, or there was some Yeah. So then he was an assistant in St. Louis for a couple of years, and then he takes over the Boston Bruins. And at first, the firing of Bruce Cassidy looks like a really great idea because I remember that particular run going into the playoffs, Jesse said, and he was right about this, the Vegas Goldenights are mid at everything.

Which is a great thing.

Which is a good thing.

Yeah. Because they're like, Oh, they're decent in all areas.

But then Jesse Everton is like, Fuck off. The Bruins won 65 games. That's so many games. That's a lot of games. It's a lot of games.

The most games ever.

Who cares who's mid at everything? What about a team that's good at everything? And then they go up three to one against the Florida Panthers.

Who were not the Florida Panthers of last year. No. That team was not very good.

That team became that team. And the year before, by the way, the Florida Panthers had won the Jack Adams. Not the Jack Adams, the President Trophy. And Andrew Burnet had won the Jack Adams. And And he got fired. And he got fired for winning that. Or just not like that. And then they just were not good. They had an up and down season and whatever. And a Paul Maurice, all of a sudden, is their coach.

They got hot down the stretch.

And there was a specific game in Toronto where Keith Kachuk got on the video here and said, The team looks soft. And what did they do? They fucking pummeled the leaves that night. And then they went on a run.

And I called it that night or that day. I was like, The Panthers They were never soft, but they were soft to the standard that they had set.

That's right. Clearly.

And your team stars dad, who also happens to be a very well-respected Retired NHL player calls you soft. And Paul Maurice is your coach. It's going to make you feel some way.

So they killed everyone. That's happening. But again, no one's paying attention to that. That's just Toronto being Toronto. It's just the Leaps. And And you got a team that's on pace for history. They scored the most points in NHL history, most wins in NHL history. They're up three to one. They have a Vesna goalie in net, but he's injured. He didn't play really well in game five, did he? No. But I guess, do you try them again?

Let's let him go.

Try them again. Oh, damn. Oh, damn. This series is tied, and then they lose. And the Florida Panthers go on to the Stanley Cup final.

And they blow it late in game seven, too.

Yeah, they did. Now, okay, fine. Shit happens. The team went to the finals, whatever. So then they put up 47 wins, which is still really good.

And they had a better start.

Yes. And they've got those two goalies, one coming off of Esna, this hotshot rookie from Alaska who's amazing. Well, he's not a rookie anymore, but you know what I'm saying, young guy. And they go up three to one against the Toronto Maple leaves. And the Toronto Maple leaves win game five and six. And we're looking at Jim Montgomery like, you're not going to do this again. And of course, he's not. It's the Toronto Maple leaves.

If they lost game seven, it would have been his last game as coach. I think he would have been fired.

But they lost definitive in the second round. The Panthers steamrolled them. Smacked them. This year, they are four, six, and 0. One of those wins is against the Leaps.

Which is hilarious.

Which is a... Honestly, that's a free spot. That's free parking for them.

The Leaps got a point there, which I I think is better than anyone anticipated.

Last night, they allowed three goals.

Maddie, you good over there?

Yeah, Maddie, all right?

She just went involuntarily.

It sucks, right? Doesn't it suck? It sucks so bad. It sucks so bad. It sucks so bad. And everybody's like, Why are you so hard on the leaves? Oh, okay. All right, yeah, for sure. Then after that, your Galaxy Brain general manager who fired the guy, the next Stanley Cup winning coach in his living room a summer before he went on to win it.

Did not get adequate criticism for it.

And has done other things that are sus. Then him and the management group, they're like, You know what we're going to do? We're going to trade the guy who won a Vesna's trophy a year ago for a Unis Corposalo, who hasn't been great. He was okay in LA when he was there, had a terrible year in Ottawa. We're going to do it before we sign the guy of our future, even though he doesn't have a deal. And over about, if reports are to be believed, about four to five million dollars over eight years, the Boston Brewans made Jeremy Swayman sit out camp, and Then all of a sudden it was getting close to the end, and they said, Fine, we'll give you your eight-year, eight million. Got into a very public spat with them. Very public spat. And so your goalie who you're relying on to play probably 50 games this year has missed the entire camp. Over $5 million over the next eight years. Sorry, guys. That's like 600 grand.

I think it was less than that.

That's peanuts. Because the most they'd offered to that year was to that point, was 7.8 over 8 million. And then they finished at 8.1..

According to frigging Cam Neely, it was 64.

Well, they hadn't offered that yet.

64 million reasons.

And he signed for 66. So we even miss camp. Hard to catch up after that. Now, the Bruins, it'd be nice if they played a little defense in front of him. But he was pulled last night. That team led in three goals in under a minute against the Carolina way better than we thought Hurricates.

Did you know that? Why do we keep underestimating that hockey team?

I know. It's pretty stupid. Rod the bot, baby. Rod the friggin' bot. Here's what happens in the first period. You got Roslevic, who's got five goals. Wow. Then on the power play, Marshan ties it up. Then with three minutes It's a go, guys, in the first period. You get into the danger zone of, yeah, don't let people score. Svetchnikow at 7:14. Jackson-blake, close to Jesse Blake, relation. No, zero relation. At 17:52. And that Martin Nietzsche at 18:06. That is three goals in less than a minute. Two tip-ins and a snapshot.

So that's what they're allowing.

That's what they're allowing.

Can we talk about going in.

Sure, please.

David Posternack, 6 goals, 4 assists, 10 points in 11 games. Pretty good. That's maybe a bit behind what you expect of him, but that's good. That's good enough to be getting on. What has everyone else got? Well, the second leading scorer on the Bruins, it's a three-way tie. Brad Marshan with 2 goals, 5 assists, 7 points in 11 games. Again, good. Probably a little below what you expect out of him.

But Brad Marshan is like 36.

Yeah. Tied with, yeah, you guessed it, Cole Kepka and Mark Kastelik. Now, there's a world where you look at this and you go, Mark Kastelik and Cole Kepka have seven points each in 11 games. These guys are probably steam rolling everyone. No one else is showing up. Lindhome, six points in 11 games. He's making a lot more than that. And he's also got the same stat line as John Beacher. At least your fourth line is clicking. And then beyond that, no one has more than four points. Mason Lorai, Hampus, Lindhome. Where are some of the... Okay, Brazos there That's good.

Where's Zaka?

Where the frig is Zaka? He's got one goal, two assists, three points in 11 games. Morgan Geeky has one assist in nine games. Charlie Coyle has a goal, zero assists in 11 games.

Did the goal come against the least? Because that would be poetic.

I don't think so, but probably. Okay.

In spirit.

No one's scoring other than the fourth line.

Well, and if they had taken a look at Elias Lindholme's performance in Calgary and Vancouver last year, He wasn't scoring at the clip that he used to.

He can at least be a good two-way player.

Yes, but they needed scoring.

For a team that... So, okay, they had their crazy goal-tending tandem. They looked at that and they went, This is a luxury that we can no longer afford. We got to get deeper. They went out and they got deeper. Big money on Zdorow, big money on Linholme, and it has not borne fruit. Borne fruit? Bored fruit.

I think either works.

They haven't gotten fruit from it. They have not been to the store. I don't know how you fix, Hey, no one's scoring.

Well, this is where it comes down to the two guys making all the decisions. It's Cam Neely and it's Dawn Sweeney. And we know that Charlie Jacobs has defended them repeatedly, and we know that the easy switch here is Jim Montgomery.

For who?

Exactly. Not ideal in the middle of the season.

Joel Quinville.

We're all just waiting for someone to push the I would assume somebody's going to do it. It's happening this year.

Probably. Jay Woodcroft will coach in the NHL again, but it'll be after Quinville gets hired.

If you want your team to score, he'd be an okay guy. But someone's going to push the button. I don't know who it's going to be. I don't know if it's going to be them. Jim Montgomery has won you so many damn games. Games. You said they won 47 last year? Yeah. So 47 plus 67.

He's won over 120 games in the last two years. 130, I think.

112. Over those two seasons. Oh, yeah. Sorry. And then on-He doesn't get a little bit more rope.

I mean, what's standard, though? How sideways can this go?

They miss Jake Dubrask.

Yes, they do.

Which is crazy. Can you imagine this conversation a few years ago? I don't know how you fix that. You got to fix it from within. Right now, no one outside of the fourth line, for some reason, has shown up. Mark Castalic?

Yeah. I picked up Cole Kepka in fantasy this week just to run him out there.

I can't believe that.

I've dropped him since, but he gave me a couple of points, right? Listen, whoever's scoring for them, who's scoring for them?

I'm not used to talking about the Bruins in this way.

No. And listen, if they're winning the division by the end of the year, nobody's going to be shocked either.

No. Well, this is what I said in the video yesterday. I'm like, Listen, every point the Leifs get in the standings is a leg up on the Bruins. Yeah. Do we all assume the Bruins are going to be there at the end of the season? Yes. Yeah, of course. So that's why you got to rack up as many points now as you can. If Florida ends up winning the division, Bruins find their form. Oh, okay. You're on a collision course with them frigging again. Would you rather have Homewise advantage or not? I know you lost last time you had Homewise advantage, but would you rather have it or not? You'd rather have it. Bank those points, baby.

Okay. Jesse, anything to add on the Bruins?

It's not great. I don't think anybody thought they'd be in this position this early on, but it is early. I expect the Bruins to turn this around, whether it's a true fire or a head coach or just them playing better. I expect them to be up in the top of the Atlantic playoff race here. But being in last place on November first, I don't think anybody in Boston expected that. Shox. Yeah. But last place right now because the Houston conference is so tight, leaves you two points out of the second wild card.

That's crazy. That's so funny. That's hilarious.

They'll be fine.

Wow. We'll see. That's definitely something to watch.

You don't try a raid before firing the coach or something? I don't know. I don't know. He's done so much for you. It's like the same with Cassidy. It's like, shit, the first sign of trouble, you're gone.

Well, it's not the first sign of trouble. I thought Adam outlined it well there. This has been brewing. There's a lot of decisions that have led to this point, and we can't forget what would have happened if they lost to the Lefs last last May. He probably would have lost his job there, and the city would have been on fire because you're going out two years in a row, blowing a 3-1 lead. That's unacceptable. And Boston has never been in that position as an organization recently.

This happens so often. We're at 2013. If Claude Julian loses to the Leifs, he's going to get fired. And they go to the Stanley Cup final. And last year, Jim Montgomery loses to the Leifs, he's going to get fired.

The Leifs never let you down.

No, the Leifs, they'll always be there for you.

Who knows? It might have been Bruce Cassidy as well. I don't even know.

The patience with the Montreal Canadians of all places is wearing thin, and I think it's interesting. I want to read Arpen Basu. I just want a friend of the show, friend of the network. We love Arpen. Listen to this headline.

He writes a great diss track.

Oh, he does. Bars. This is a blistering headline. The Canadian's pervasive, nausea-inducing tendencies are starting to wear thin. Yeah, like poetry, poetry, poetry. So here's the quote that everybody's talking about this morning with Marty St. Louis. He said, We had the first period we wanted. In the second, nothing was perfect. There were mistakes on both sides. And then in the third, we threw up all over ourselves. Very simple. And Arpen, let me read from this, and then I want to see if you guys can relate. Because we have been through a rebuild, gentlemen. We did it together. So here's what Arpen says. So about the vomit and about Suzuki's desire for there to be no more vomit this season, because Suzuki said, preseason, I'm looking forward to mistakes mattering again, because mistakes didn't matter as much last year. I want to get back to winning ways. And about the Canadians And about where the Canadians are, vomiting consistently, allowing the most goals per game in the league, many of them as a result of that vomit. By the way, I looked it up, the Canadians are currently allowing 4.27 goals per game.

What?

That's right.

The vomit- They shut the leaves out.

The vomit has been... Yeah, is Sam Montebeau still the Team Canada's goal? Oh my God. The vomit has been a defining feature of the Canadian season thus far. The same mistakes continue happening over and over again at inopportune times in moments in games. The Canadians are trying to mature individually and collectively. They are not close to reaching that goal. So the Canadians are blowing They are showing leads. They are missing assignments on the defensive side of the park. There is a mentality question, do these guys have the focus to win and close out games that they should win and close out. And I just wonder, as Lee fans, is that a maturity thing, or does that become an ethos thing after a while?

I Sometimes with Montreal-Canadian stuff, maybe there's a language barrier here. Are you trying to tell me that there was an expectation that the Habs should be taking a step?

Don't do this.

And they're not?

Why are you referencing that specifically?

Because it's a good take I had that was right, that You guys didn't seem to like.

Not Jessie and I. They're losing.

We were fine with it. No, have fans got on you for saying that, Hey, maybe they should take a step?

They're losing the way they've lost last year and the way they lost the year before. Why is it all of a sudden unacceptable? Because it's been a few years and they've gotten straight up better. They shouldn't be this bad. I don't think any of us thought they'd be this bad. Even if you You had them last in the division. You didn't have them being this bad. There's an expect. At some point, you get all these players. Cole Caulfield shooting the lights out right now. You get all this young talent. At some point, when you're rebuilding, your GM makes all the right decisions. When was the last time Ken Hughes made a decision? We were like, That was stupid.

Never.

At some point, there's an expectation you take a step Oh, this guy's out. Who gives a shit? The league doesn't care. It's not about me. Oh, this guy's hurt. The league doesn't care. Almost every team has guys out. My favorite part about the Florida Panthers Stanley Cup celebration was Matthew Kuchuk going, We don't really deserve this.

There were a lot of guys with injuries on the other teams that we played. I feel bad for them. I'm going to yield the cup to them because they were injured and it It wasn't fair.

Yeah. My favorite part of game six between the Warriors and the Raptors was when they delayed the rest of the game for a year.

So Kevin Durant could play?

Well, so Kevin Durant and Clay Thompson could It's not how it works.

You have to delay it for more than a year. Yes. That's not how it works. Based on their injury timelines.

As a person, you can be a lovely person and pat them on the shoulder and make sure they're all right. The League, the universe, doesn't give a flying fuck. Okay. Oh, damn. That's crazy. Anyway, says here, there's a game tomorrow. And you got to play. You need saves. You need defensive stops. One guy scoring for you like a nut case, scoring like an absolute nut case. That's so So good. That's so great. Who's number two? Who's number three? Who's number four? It's a hard, hard, hard league. I expect this team to be very good, eventually. Turns out they got a long way to go.

4.27 goals a game. I don't think I've ever heard a stat like that. That's psychotic. By the way, that's '80s stuff. For anybody saying that, it's like, oh, well, they're a super young team. There's like, yeah, they are. They are. But what are we in? Cole Caulfield's fourth season. Nick Suzuki's fifth. Arbor Jack guys played. Listen, a lot of people are on Arbor Jack.

He's getting healthied.

He's getting healthied. He's also their sixth best, seventh best defenseman.

He's getting healthied on a decong Four that's- Thin.not great. When is his transition to forward?

I know. He should be a 4th-line winger. I hate it. If that's what he does, that's what he should do.

Maybe Maybe he's guy who can play D in a pinch. You dress him like what? Do they have this weird hybrid 11-7 thing where he can play a few shifts on D, and if you need, he can be big, scary guy on your fourth line. Anyway, we're getting lost in the weeds here. There comes a point in every rebuild where the losing stops being cute. They've reached it. It's not cute.

Just to update you guys on the Bruins, Ty Anderson, who is a reporter for 985, the Sports Hub, is reporting today that an email was sent out last night by Bruins Media, like the Bruins PR team, that there would be a practice today, they're on the road, at noon. The practice It never happened. People are... They're both eyeballs on the Bruins right now.

Wow.

Just thought canceling practice, that's an interesting one. That's where you expect to see guys bag skated.

Losing 8-2 to Carolina is crazy.

Yeah.

Getting outshot the way they did. Holy cow. Yeah.

I just thought that was worth mentioning. Wow.

They haven't been like this in a very long A couple of things before we get to the press conference.

I think we should take note that the Winnipeg Jets who lost to the Toronto Maple Leaps on the second half of a back to back stomped the Detroit Red Wings and basically won the game within the first three minutes. Kyle Connor, at the beginning this week on Monday and Tuesday alone, had seven points in two games.

He's doing slightly good.

Sneakily, can you guys tell me who the NHL leader in goals is?

Cole Caulfield?

It's a tie. Cole Caulfield is one of them.

Kael Mccar leads in points. Yes. Right?

Yes, he does. He's leading in goals as well. I'm sorry. Kael Mccar does not lead in points anymore. Mark Stone does.

Oh, he got passed.

Yeah, he's tied, but they gave a tiebreaker to Mark Stone.

Is it Mark Stone?

It's not Mark Stone.

But yeah, Kael Mccar is doing it through a sys, right? Yes. Okay.

I guess Mark Stone is as well.

Caulfield has 10 goals in 11 games, which is really impressive. One assist. Ten goals. Selfish player. Kyle Connor. Not Kyle Connor. Nine goals.

I knew he was up there. Let's see.

Dylan Genther.

Leon Dreisidal. You ready?

He's been doing really well. Okay, so it's East Coast.

Okay.

New York, New Jersey. One of those three teams.

Jack Hughes. Nico Heeser. Nico Heeser. Nico Heeser.

He's been unreal. He's been unreal. 10 goals in 13 games. He's been unreal. That's crazy. I did not expect to see Nico Heeser's name up there.

Nice. I mean, you talk about a player, a coach is going to instantly fall in love with. Sheldon Keef is just like, Niko, come into my open arms. Listen, I think fans love a Jack Hughes. Coaches love a Niko Heeser. That's not a criticism of either player. Yeah, you need both.

For the first time ever, and we talked about this in Agent Provocateur that came out yesterday with also Nashville Predators' forward and first rounder from 2021, Zachary Leroux. Hey. To that point, when they called him out this year, they had not lost a game in regulation. They went on a tear as soon as he got there. Now, they did lose last night in regulation, but pretty good run. The all 32 NHL franchises are worth over a billion dollars. And the newest franchise is worth the 28th most or the fifth least, meaning Utah is not, despite being the newest, not in the least valued franchise right now, which is incredible.

What does that say about the ones below?

I was about to say, so they moved up four spots?

Five. Five, whatever? I think that's impressive. And it shows a couple of things here. And then I'm going to ask you guys who you think the least valued ones are. It shows a couple of things. First off, the Arizona Coyotes, again, this is not a hit on the fans. I have to say that every time. The Arizona Coyotes were a drag on this team or on this team, on this league for 15 years. There was no way that they could ever be valued at more than a billion dollars. And the league made Ryan Smith pay more than he wanted to, just like they did with the senators.

What do you guys need? Everything. Like, literally, everything.

It cannot be forgotten what a failure this was on the NHL side and how this depressed revenue and owner value. I'm surprised the owners didn't get on Gary about this earlier because you're We're talking about a 29 % jump in the league. And you look at a guy like Jeff Vinnick, who bought the Lightning for 93 million in 2010, he has now seen an almost 20 times value jump. He sold the team at a $1.8 billion valuation.

Why didn't we just buy an NHL team?

You have to remember 2010. That was after the biggest financial crash since the Depression. Oh, money hack. Buy an NHL team. If you'd had 100 million at that point, you would have been one of the rare few. You would not have had. Not many people had that money. A lot of people lost a lot of money back then. So Utah sits in 28th place. Name the 14th teams below them in value. And some of this is market size, some of this is neglect.

Oh, Columbus.

Columbus is the least valued team in the NHL.

So okay, here's- And they still jump 20 %, by the way. Here's how bad things are there. You said some of this is market size, some of this is neglect. So market size, I'm going, okay, could it be this thing, this is it. The second you said neglect, I go, oh, Columbus.

There's another- That's bad. There's two other neglected teams, one still currently neglected and one no longer neglected on this list. And then one team that's just market size.

It can't be the Sabers.

The Sabers are 30th. Really? Yes. That is neglect. Now, they saw a 26% 100% jump. But the Buffalo Sabers being in 30th in terms of team valuation, I know Buffalo's not a crazy money town. It's not huge.

No, but they love hockey.

That is a guarantee. That team is first round eligible. It's a guaranteed sellout every night you make your money. It's insane that Buffalo is that low, and that comes completely down to the way ownership and the general manager have decided to go about business. They've seen some improvements. How many more towering defensemen are you going to before you realize you got to score goals?

I really hope Winnipeg is not in there.

Winnipeg is, but that's market size. Winnipeg is. And I think what's good for the Jets is that their value went up 19% year over year. And there's one more, formerly neglected.

Formerly neglected. That's interesting. Pacific?

No. Interesting.

East. East? Islanders? No.

Think market size and think neglect. Neglect means what? Bad owner.

Oh, Pittsburgh?

I was going to say Panthers? No.

No, the Panthers, they're jumping a lot year over year.

Yeah. Oh, Ottawa.

Ottawa, The Ottawa senators who are up 20 % every year. You know what? So we talked about Columbus.

Isn't that a sign how good things have gone in Ottawa? It took us that long to get there.

Yes. Yeah.

We haven't We've talked about that team as a catastrophe in quite some time.

Because they're not. They're not. All right. They're not. I thought that was interesting that Utah jumps in the league. It is instantly at 28. And I think is... So here's the crazy part about this, guys. Compared to where the coyotes were last year, this is the jump. Okay? Okay. Compared to where the coyotes were last year on this list in terms of valuation. Now, I know there's a recent sale to help jump these numbers. Sure. But the value the Utah Hockey Club, because they have an arena, because they're selling well, because they have good players under contract, a couple of them are super injured, and that really sucks, they jumped 78% in value. Wow. 78%. You want to tell me- Hundreds of millions of dollars. That it was a good idea to give... So Arizona, it should have been done in 2012 when the league had to buy them, and then they should have moved them and then gone back. We would have a new coyotes franchise and a new building at this point. If they had just moved off this when everybody said, move off this team, put them literally anywhere.

Something about planting a tree 20 years ago. You're right. You're totally right.

So anybody that ever said it, anybody that ever said it, who had any tweet that said, no, you're wrong. You're right. And I think it's important to recognize that not to dunk on coyote's fans, to understand why the NHL was so hard core about staying here. It cost the owners money. They had to buy the team. Every owner at one point, because you're an owner in the NHL, had to fund the coyotes directly or indirectly. All of those payments that they have to make, the Leifs, the Rangers, the Bruins, all these rich guys who are like, Hey, I got a rich team making a lot of money. Oh, yeah, there's those equalization payments. Where are they going? They're going to Arizona.

And the point of those payments is, Hey, we're all in this together.

Yes.

And this is to help you do well. This is to help you thrive. And they had no interest and/or ability to do that.

And they had... The NHL brought in two brilliant owners, Bill Foley and the crack in ownership as well. So Bill Foley owns the Golden Nights. I forget the names behind the whatever.

Bruckheimer and friends.

Even at that same time, when the thrashes left Atlanta, the Thompson family and the Chipman family who still own the Jets today are great owners. They're great owners. As I told you, they light money on fire every year, year over year. But the value of the franchise keeps going up. So that's why it makes sense to stay in the game.

Well, it's 700,000 people. There's not a shitload of corporate out there. There's not a huge-The Jets are a community team, and the Jets fans get out there and support.

I get that.

And in Seattle, it's David Bonderman, Todd Lewicki, and Jerry Bruckheimer. They're the Seattle Hockey Partners.

There is an Amazon connection to that.

Obviously, they have the name rights to the stadium. And there's, I guess, some investment there through that.

I just think it's absolutely bonkers, bonkers, that we have seen the NHL go, Bill Fouly, you're the guy. And then Jerry Bruckheimer, oh, yeah, you could be the guy. Then, monorail salesman. You can be the guy. I just don't know. Alex Miurello in a sales pitch must be the most compelling person you've ever met. The guy should run for president. I don't know how he pulled this off.

No. Okay. Here.

And he walked away positive.

Let me cut off my friend. He walked away with more money. He should absolutely not run for President. We do not need him to run for President. No, Adam, listen.

He put his kid in charge of the social media. His kid was the VP of marketing.

You're not wrong. What? I am not detecting the lie. What? Here, wait. Let me scan you. There's no lie there, okay?

But the TV market.

But the TV market. I got to climb over this chair.

You're right. Sorry.

Go. What we should be getting from this is they did a good thing. Yes. Now, it's after two decades of doing a bad thing. Yes. But I think we know that. And And we're here now. It's eating a meal and then talking about how hungry you were.

But that's not fair because why were you hungry?

I know.

Because you refused to buy food for 15 years. That's why. Yes. It's not my fault your fridge was empty. It's your fault.

But here we are with a full belly. We're feeling good. You even burp for the first time in a while. That's because you got food in your gut. Listen, I think what should be taken from this is positive things.

Yes.

It's also in part, I cannot do the Alex Morello talk again.

I know. I know. But I just think I got to talk about.

I had to say it. Every time you bring up Alex Morello and say he was a bad owner, you're right.

Thank you. It's not about you being wrong. That's all I need to hear. The Leifs, by the way, are the most valuable franchise in the league. They have a year over year, and there's a to back this, year-over-year increase of 38% in perceptual value. The Bruins went up 50%, the King's 45%, the Oilers, 51%, the Islanders are 49 %. The stars are up 49 %. If you look at the entire league, the worst that they did in terms of franchise value increasing are those four teams. The senators at 20 %, Sabers at 26, Jets at 19, and the Blue Jackets 20 %. The entire rest of the league, guys, jumped at least 30, and in most cases, 40 % in value in the last year because of this Utah move.

No, Adam, there's something-Come on. Something to be learned here, okay? For all you millennials out there, what are millennials? 23, 24. For all you millennials out there, stop buying your avocado toast.

Yeah, save your coffee money.

Your Starbucks, save your coffee money. Go out there You spend a million bucks on coffee.

Buy yourself a house.

Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and buy a National Hockey League team, all right? Get off your ass like my father did and buy the NHL team.

Yeah, isn't that nuts?

All you 23, 24-year-old millennials.

Anyway, I just thought that was worth mentioning.

We got a millennial here in the studio, and Maddie. Hey, Maddie. Where's your share in an NHL team?

Are you a millennial? No, she's Gen Z.

Yeah, what are you talking about? You're a millenn.

It's a The fucking joke.

The joke doesn't apply. That's the joke. Oh, gosh.

Hey, you know what? Millenials don't do any work. Like that NHL ad or Gen Zs. Gen Zs. You know what?

Comedy is so dead, am I right, fellows? What happened to making jokes?

That one didn't land with me.

Here, let me list some of the jokes.

You did pretty good up until that point. I thought it was okay.

When you started yelling at the Gen Z about being a millennial, I was like, Where are we going with this?

I thought it was funny.

It is funny in retrospect because it's very boom. Here, wait.

Let me go through my act. All right, here. I got five minutes on Puerto Rican.

Wait. What? All right. What? Should we do the press conference? Yes, sure. Let's do it.

The Presser. It's a It's a career move, right? The Steve Dangle press conference. Some of my best friends are Bad Bunny. Sorry.

All right, we'll make this quick. We'll just do this one thing. But Natalie Drake. Natalie. If you've Have you ever been to an SDP live show, you've met Natalie Drake and her father because they are seemingly always there. I don't know how they get around, but they must have some teleportation machine to get to every one of our-I think it might be a car. No, they must have some teleportation machine to get to every single one of our live events.

We've seen them west of Yung Street. It's impossible.

By the way, I love that they do that, by the way. Just unbelievable people. But weeks ago, many, many, many moons ago at one of our live events. Long before Adam Wild brought it to the table, Natalie and her father said, You should bring something to the show. I've been holding back because Adam brought up his stupid, Hey, I saw this on Bleacher Report. It's really cool. Let's do it, thing. I was like, I'm going to hold off until a moment where we get far away from that and we get to do this. It's the Conners. Adam, if you remember, recently, a couple of weeks ago when the season started.

Conners, who have scored.

You're talking about Conners.

There were before Connor McDavid.

And there was four who scored. And Connor McMichael could have done it too. All right. Cool. Fun. But they had said something very interesting, and it's that they were able to build a whole NHL team with Connor. That's crazy. Now, the best I could do, I got two goal tenders, two D-Lines, and three forward groups. Oh, my God. Plus one spare in the forward group with only Conners. You guys don't have this list. I have it in front of me. That's the best I could do with current NHLers. I don't know if their team included ex-NHLers or guys who were retired long ago, but I was able to do it with current NHLers. Three forward groups, two deep pairs, two goal tenders. Adam and Steve, combine your brains, get out your marker. We only need one. We only need one. Write down your team and see if you can either pass me or at least tie by what I've created for a team.

We got McDavid.

Mcdavid. Talk this through with the audience so that they can follow along.

Oh, yeah. Mcmichael Brown. Connor Brown. Duer. Duer. Good one. Now, it's all spellings of Connor.

You can do a Connor in a first name, a Connor in a last name, a Connor with an S. Kyle Connor? A Connor with one N, a Connor with two Ns. Kyle Connor. You can get any type of Connor in there. As long as is somewhere in the name, it features Connor.

Timmins on D. Inette Ingram. Who's the second one? That's going to be tough. All right. Mcdavid, McMichael,Brown. Brown. Duhre. Kyle Connor. Kyle Connor.

You'll need at least nine forwards.

Who were the four Conners that scored in Edmonton beforehand?

I can't even-Son of a gun. We'll need at least nine forwards, plus I had a spare forward, so I had 10 forwards. You guys got what? Five so far?

Isn't there another Connor on Edminton who we're forgetting? Brown. No, no, no. Like one that we're forgetting. Wasn't it three? They have Josh Brown. No, but that's the-You already have Connor Brown on there, right?

That was an easy one. Okay.

Oh, boy. We've hit a bit of a walk. You guys.

I did good. We did good. We had five forwards, one D, and one goalie.

Okay. Yeah, but that's- Connor Zahri.

There you go.

There you go.

Sorry. Yeah, forward.

Yeah. I'm trying I'm going through divisions here. I got to watch more Calgary games. They're fun.

Not anymore. They're on a four-game losing street.

Oh, never mind.

Calgary after- You're not watching a lot of them either.

Apparently not the last four games.

Calgary after their hot start, right now, they're five, four, and one. Yeah.

They're now as bad as they were good. Yeah.

No, I pay attention.

Timmins and Duer. I'm trying to think of a Connor in Ottawa.

What about... Does O'Connor count?

You know what? If If we want to count O'Conners, I can finish my team.

Okay, Logan O'Connors.

I think that should count. O'connors?

Yeah, he's a forward. He's a forward, okay. You're going to need more space on this board.

Yeah, you wrote way too many.

Here, put the D there.

Get your other whiteboard if you really want. Oh, yeah. I'll put the D on it. That's a great... I forgot the O'Connors. That adds two to my list off the top of my head. Who's the other one?

Logan O'Conner and I know.

You guys need the other one.

Son of a gun.

Andrew O'Conner? I have a full four. Drew O'Conner?

No. Wait. Kyle? No. Logan O'Connor. Drew O'Conner? Who's the one on Pittsburgh?

I'm just going to tell you, it's Drew O'Connor. It's Drew. Yeah, okay. I don't want you. I don't want you.

You put times two.

Times two? Just put two O'Conners because I was missing two guys, and those two add to my forward group. You guys need four lines.

We need four forward lines. Yeah, okay. You can do-We We need four more forwards, five more defense, one more goalie. Yeah.

No, four more defense. How many do you have?

I have one defense.

Yeah, you need three more. Three more. Yeah. You need four defense. We're over half.

That's pretty good. That's pretty good.

Montreal.

Michael Connor? Is there not a Michael Connor?

No. There's McCarron, Michael McCarron.

The O'Connor thing. That's probably how they got their full lineup. Great thinking.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Rangers. Lafineer. I'm not getting one. It's not coming in my head.

It's going to be on Carolina or something. Island. Panthers.

Yeah, I feel like the hurricanes could have some Conners.Any.

On the floor are the Panthers?Conner Burns.

Could the Panthers have them?

And what about the lightning, too? Who's their new-Conner Connor Burns?

No. That was a joke. Are you just throwing out- I'm joking. Oh, Jesus, Adam. Hellabuck.

There you go. Those are my two goalies, Hellabuck and Ingram. That's a pretty good tandem. One hell of a tandem.

Yeah.

Hey, ho, ho, ho, this guy.

Hey, yeah, there you go.

Oh, Jesus. How did I get Ingram before Halebuck? The fringues were on with me. I think it was because we got Kyle Connor and then I glossed over it. Philly? They must have Conners.

I think they've got a Connor there.

That feels like a Connor place, the place to have them. Minnesota feels like a Connor place, too. Yeah. They had Duhre. They don't anymore.

This is not a bad team, by the way.

No, it's really not.

The Connor team would be a playoff.

The all Connor team. Easily.

If the Connor team was at the World Cup of Hockey, would they beat some of Europe?

Like the old one?

How many national programs would the All Connor team beat? A lot.

A lot.

Bedard. Oh, idiot.

Jesus. You guys are stupid.

I know.

Sometimes you reach a block and then you're like, I can't.

You He reached a mental block. How long do people scream Bedard out?

That's three full lines we have. That's crazy.

And so through some googling while you guys were doing this, I do have my two extra D that are missing, but they're made up of guys who are not in the NHL right now. So you could do that if you really wanted to go AHL. You can get two guys who played recently but aren't NHLers, and then you could probably fill out the Conners.

Connershen.

Sheery. Connersheery.

Oh, shit. Oh, nice.

I was kidding. There's another forward. No, keep just making up names, and then maybe you'll stumble on something. Connor Smith. Connor Campbell. Conner Marashnashchenko.

Chris Lepfskerz.

You went down Cory Conners. Wait, isn't there a Cory? Professional golfer. Oh, shit. Canadian.

Is there a Conners?

How do we feel about Charlie Conaker?

No.

Damn. No. I know.

Is there a Conners?

Oh, there might be a Conners.

There's a lot of Conners.

That's not one I can think of. Okay.

Oh, man. I'm going to tell you right now, I have no Conners on my list. Okay. The only Conners right now googling, there's a Bob Conners who played for the New York Americans in 1926, '27.

This is great.

Are there Conners hiding on Utah? Such a forgotten team. Yeah. You know what I mean?

What about Mick Conner?

Who's Clayton Keller? No. Mick Conner?

Yeah. Jim McConner. Barrett McConner. Stop.

Logan Connor. Ooli.

Logan O'Conner.

You know what?

He's already on your list. Why don't we Why don't we just call it?

Do we have to call it?

Oh, you're going to fail?

No, we're not going to fail. One minute of brainstorming, we're going to hit-We need a defenseman.

Yeah, you guys are struggling with the defenseman. Defenseman is weird. Who do you have?

Connor Timmins.

How is that the only one? No.

Think defense. Think Connor, think defense.

Frigg. Anyone on the Blues? It's harder than you think when you're put on this.

It's terrible.

Yeah. Krug, obviously not.

You're missing a former leaf.

Connor Kerrick?

Oh, shit.

What am I?

I forgot he was still playing, but he is.

He's He's in the AHL right now. He has played no games this season, but he's in the system of the- There's also a former Connor.

Is Connor Kerrick not in the- You're thinking of Sam Kerrick, aren't you?

Yeah.

He plays for a big... Who's Bakersfield?

Oh, The Condors.

Edmondson. Edmondson. There you go. So yeah, Connor Kerrack is with the AHL team in Edmondson.

He's a nice guy.

I like Connor Kerrack. Played with the Coachella Valley Firebird last season. One game with the Bruins in 2022-2023 is last time Connor Kerrack played in the NHL. Shane But he counts for the purpose of this game. Manny Buneers.

Who the hell do they have on D?

I don't know. Let's just call it. All right. Damn.

Let me just pull up.

Who's the one guy? Taking that long with Bedard and Hellebuck is jail.

Okay, so I'll read out the name. Give me what you got. Give me what you got.

Okay, so we got McDavid, McMichael, Connor Brown, Connor Duhre, Kyle Connor, Connor Zerry. Go a little slower for me. Sorry. Oh, sorry. Mcdavid, McMichael, Connor Brown, Connor Duhre, Kyle Connor, Connor Zeehri, Logan O'Connor.

Who's the other guy?

Drew O'Connor.

Drew O'Connor. Connor Bedard. O'connor Sheer-ry. Okay, that's the forward group.

That's almost an entire forward.

Who else did we miss? And then you got Kerrick and- Tim is on D. All right. And then Hela Buck and Ingram. Okay.

So we're missing three forward, two D.

I think off the top of our head, that's pretty good.

Pretty darn good. My forward group, I think of You guys are only missing two guys in the forward group. I had Garland, Connor Garland, and Connor Geeky. Fuck. Oh, and then I... Fuck. I deleted the extra guy I had. Jail. Then for the defense, Connor Kerrick, Connor Timmins, Connor Murphy, the Blackbox defenseman, Connor Clifton.

Oh, yeah.

Where does he I don't know. Boston still?

I believe he's a Boston. Okay. Yeah. Connor Clifton. So there you go. That's it? But yeah, that's the full four forwards, right? One, two, three, four. Yeah, four is McDavid, Connor Zahri, Badr, Duhre, Brown. Those are the first two lines. Third line is Geeky, Drew, and Logan. Fourth line, McMichael, Shiri, Garland. That's four lines. That's crazy. Four was Connor. And then we did the 4D and then Hela Buck and Ingram. And Then if you really want to stretch, you could do Connor Cocaeran, who was drafted by the Vegas Goldenights, still plays in the EHL right now. There's a guy who's not in the NHL. Then there's Connor McKay, I believe, who played a couple of years as it goes with the Ragers. If you really want to stretch for 2D, you could just go to the EHL and pull 2 Conners. But it's really 2 pairs of Ds, a full forward group, and 2 goal tenders, all Connor. Man, that was a lot of fun. That's fun.

Dylan McConner-F. Yeah.

Wow. Wow. Shout out Natalie Drake and her father. That was a fun game.

That was a fun game. I enjoyed that game immensely. All right, listen, we hope you have a fantastic weekend. Steve will be streaming tomorrow night as the Leaps take on the St. Louis Blues, and hopefully this time, they do a better job for Chief. Don't we? We think so, right? Yes.

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