Transcript of 947. Q&AF: Navigating The Fear Of Uncertainty, Anxiety About Getting Older & Restoring Your Hunger

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So what's happening, dude? What's going on, man? Nothing, man.

It's a funny thing. They say when you like somebody, you start modeling their mannerisms a little bit. I just caught myself like, I'm over here.

I don't know why I do that, bro.

What? Cross your arms?

Yeah, it's just comfortable. I'm like, I don't know what to do with my hands. What do we do? Oh, yeah, I got to do it. I forgot I got to throw in my free Mason shit.

Apparently, you got to do that. Yeah, that's what it is. No, but guys, what's going on, man? It's Monday. It's a great day to get When you guys are listening to this, it's not Monday when we're recording. I've learned that lesson. But no, man, it's Q&A. We got some really good questions lined up, and let's make some people better today. Let's do it. Let's do it. We're going to kick things off.

Let's kick them off with a phone call. Let's kick them off with a phone call.

Let's kick it off. Let's give Reilly a call.

Reilly.

Hello?

Hello, this is Reilly.

Yes, sir. Is this DJ?

This is DJ. How are you doing, man?

I'm doing great, man. How are you doing?

I'm chilling, man. Thanks for asking, bro. I appreciate that, man.

No one cares, bro. Sure.

Absolutely.

Ryeley, what's happening, bro? How are you doing, Andy? How are you doing, dude?

I'm doing great, man. It's excellent to speak to you, sir.

All right, bro. I appreciate you. What Where are you at, man?

I'm in Austin, Texas.

We fucking love Austin.

Austin's great.

Austin's a great place. What are you doing down there, brother?

Right now, I'm in between classes at school.

No, I meant what are you doing? What are you What am I doing?

What am I doing down there? I'm a musician.

All right, cool. What do you play?

Drums.

Oh, badass, bro.

That's badass.

Yeah, it's a fucking hard instrument to play. How long have you been playing drums, brother?

A little over 13 years now.

Oh, man, that's awesome. That's awesome. Well, bro, what do you got going on down there? What can we help you with?

Yeah, so All right, here we go. The question I asked was, I'm a musician in Austin. I play in a band that is developing strong momentum. Things are coming together fast. There's a part of me that doesn't trust how fast things are moving. How do you handle situations where crash and burn seems inevitable? When I sent in that question, that was a few months ago, at the beginning of summer, if I'm not mistaken. A lot has changed since then. There was a lot of uncertainty and lack of faith in the process with the situation I was in. For sure. It just felt like it would fall apart or it would stay together.

Yeah. What happened?

Well, we went through a lineup change and it took care of itself. But now I'm with the right people. I have my brothers, and We're building something that I know is going to change music and change American culture.

Good.

I feel I can trust the process more, but even so, we're even in a position now where things are still moving fast. There's that That uncertainty, especially when you're working as an independent musician. There's no record label. Our team is very small. We're just getting started. The way things are picking up, there's that fear of the uncertainty where you don't know what's going to happen. I can only control the things I can, and I surrender to the things I can't. So trying to Trust the process and understand that it'll work out however it works out is tough because I like to be able to have that security. But the line of work that I'm in, that's not really what I got myself into. Right.

Totally, bro. Look, How old are you, man?

I'm 24.

Okay. This is the first time in your life where you've truly caught positive momentum. Is that correct? Yes, sir. Okay. Dude, first of all, congratulations on that. Most people never even get to that point. All right? What I want you to hear from me today is that that's normal. When you've never experienced something, and I want you to think about it in a different context. Okay, Let's take away the momentum you're creating with your business, and let's just apply it to a different area of life. Let's say you're going to go on a trip, and you don't have everything planned, but you know that when you go there, you want to do this or that, and you have a loose idea of how it's going to go. You go on the trip, and before you go, you get really anxious. I don't know about you, but I get travel anxiety sometimes. You start to think about like, Oh, man, I wonder if this is going to go the way I want, and this and this, and this, because you've never done it before, bro. Then once you go on the trip and you've been around that place once or twice, now, instead of wondering how it's going to go, you're like, Oh, I can't wait.

I'm going to go to this place I'm going to go to that place. I'm going to see my friends here. I'm going to go eat here. You have a much more comfortable understanding of what to expect. That's what's happening with you just in a different area of life. You've never experienced this. You've created something that you want to create, so there's an emotional attachment to it. Then we have this part of us, all of us have this, that puts doubts in our head and makes us hesitate and anxious and scared. The good thing about you is that in the face of that, and this is really cool because you wrote this question, you saw what happened, and now we're talking about it, but you felt that coming, bro, and you kept moving. That is the key. You've learned a massive lesson here, brother. The lesson is that anything that you do, if you haven't been down the path before, is going to feel very uncertain. You're going to have doubts. You're going to have anxiety. If you keep moving, like you said, the things will work themselves out. If you control what you control and then surrender to the rest, things will move the way that you want to move.

The problem that most people run into is that they don't control any of the things they can control, and then they expect to get where they're wanting to go, and it's just pure chaos. It never happens. That's why so many people have this idea that pursuing success is this massive risk, when in reality, the risk is not pursuing it. It I know you've already figured this out, but I think it's very important for the listeners to hear this, is that when you don't know what to do, just keep moving forward and figure it out one decision at a time. You handle today, you handle tomorrow, you handle the next day. If you do that the best that you can, things tend to work out in the direction that we're trying to get. I would chalk this up, brother, as a very valuable life lesson, because I could tell you as someone who's 20 years older than you, you're going to run into this many times. When you launch a new album, when you move from doing little clubs to medium clubs to big clubs to stadiums. These are all new things. This process of uncertainty is going to repeat itself in your life over and over and over again.

When you get married, you're going to feel this way. When you start to have kids, you're probably going to feel this way. It's just a very natural feeling that we as humans have about never being down the path before. The problem is that most people just stop when they start to feel that way. You've already shown that you have the innate understanding to keep moving and then just handle it as it goes. It's very important for everybody to listen to what Riley just went through because this is a situation that is not exclusive to Reilly. It's exclusive to any of us anytime that we do something new. I can give you examples of that in my life. For example, our big initiative right now is the energy drink. Well, I mean, fuck, bro. I've never done this before. I have doubts, and I'm nervous, and I got anxiety about those things. But how I respond to those after being in this game so long is to push hard, to make sure, to do everything I can. I take all of those uncertainty feelings and all of this anxiety and all of these things that would normally derail people.

I use that and funnel that energy into doing every single thing that I can to make sure that the outcome is most likely the one that I'm after. That's all we can do, brother. That's all we can do. That's what you can do. Yeah, we keep getting better. We handle what we handle. We push, we push, we push. The outcome is going to be somewhere better than where we are now. And even if it takes longer for you to get where you want to go than what you think, that's okay because you go down, and whatever outcome is produced, you then set that the new base point. And this is another place that people quit. People will see a project through, and it didn't turn out the way that they want. And even though they saw the project through, they don't realize that they're not through. This is just another place for us to regather, collect where we are, and then go again. And so it's the constant process of pushing through the uncertainty, seeing where we end up, evaluating that, then deciding where we want to go from here and making a new plan and going again.

Every time you go again, that same feeling that you have, Riley, is going to occur. The best thing that we as humans can do is to use that feeling of uncertainty, doubt, anxiety, about things not working out, and then channel that energy into making sure that we do the most that we can to dictate the proper outcome. I could tell you, dude, when I started out on this journey of pursuing entrepreneurship and becoming successful and all these things. Bro, I mean, I thought it was fucking magic, too. I thought it was out of my control. I thought there was luck involved. I thought was divine intervention, and there probably is some divine intervention.

I believe that for sure.

Yeah, but at the end of the day, dude, if we handle what we can handle, the chances of us not being in a better spot are almost zero. Then we just have to choose to keep going, brother.

Well, it's interesting because in late December of '22, I'm originally I'm originally from Utah. I moved here November first of '21. In a year goes by, in December of '22, my back goes out. I have a torn disk in my L5 S1. I spend the next six weeks getting myself to be able to walk comfortably again. I can't reach past my knees. That was a huge test to really see Maybe just if I had the fortitude and capabilities to keep moving forward, because especially as a musician and a drummer, I'm dependent on my body. Being able to work through that, and I can reach past my toes. I've put in a ton of work to really focus on my mobility and keep my body in check. I do 75 hard every single year. I'm on it right now. It taught me a lot, and I was really able to at least trust in myself and know that, well, I'm going to figure this shit out one way or another. When that happened over this summer, and I was able to see also, and I knew I would be able to rely on my team and my brothers was because they also kept showing up, and we kept showing up for each other, and we never gave in.

We thought we were done for. We thought we were going to have to start over from square one But the show is real AF, and I call myself a realist. I try and operate in reality. But there is element to this where that is a bit of that idealistic fantasy of where the future that I'm working towards doesn't exist yet. And so I have to force myself to believe that it does exist and that I don't have an option. And so I twist that and use that and put that into the daily actions. And I can only just look at the results and know, yeah, my back went out and I handled it. Yes. And now I'm in better shape than I've ever been. Yeah.

And that's bad ass shit, dude. Dude, people who haven't been through a major injury don't understand how much of a test that really is. I'm following you, bro. You should be very proud of that. That's some badass shit. You should be trusting yourself at a high level at this point.

Thank you. I think that's the The biggest part that I fight myself over is because I am able to look back and say, Oh, I've done this and this. I've dropped my own ERP. I've dropped a live album. I've done these great things that me five years ago would have been stunned. He wouldn't have believed it would happen, but it has. I'm not even like, this is just the beginning. That's right, dude. I think it's the level of the standard where I try and bring myself and ground myself to be like, you're not… I try and hold myself accountable to make sure I am doing enough, but not get too, I guess, drive myself crazy where it's never enough. I have to be able to actually trust that what I am doing is actually something because I'm very hard on myself, and especially with my My back still gives me problems. And so on 75 hard, I'll be mad at myself if I can't do as an extreme a workout as I want to. But I have to focus on keeping my body in check. This isn't This is not about breaking myself. This is about keeping myself in the best physical condition for what I do.

It's about training your body and your mind, brother, 100 %.

Yeah.

Listen, dude, from What I'm hearing, dude, I would go to fucking war with you. I mean, look, you've been through some difficult shit. You're doing something where you feel like right now there's no guarantee. But I can promise you, dude, if you continue to show up the way that you're going and you think about it the way that you're thinking about it and you're operating the way that you're operating, you will get where you're trying to go. All right? And there's been a lot of other people-I don't have a choice. That's right. And by the way, I say this all the time, people laugh, but we need heroes, dude. We need stories. We need people that are going to fucking build an amazing rock band out of an idea. We need people who are going to build amazing companies. We need people to show the younger generation what those things look like. And so, dude, not only you're fucking doing it, dude. It's not that it's going to happen. It's happening right now. Yeah.

It's hilarious. I have a class, a required class that I have to make.

Hold on, I want to tell you something. Sorry. This is very important for you to hear. I spent a lot of my life wondering and working so fucking hard, wondering if I was I'm never going to fucking make it, dude. I was so serious and so dedicated to it that it cost me a lot that it didn't have to cost me. You need to understand I'm saying, there is no magic to this, bro. You are executing. It is happening right now. I'm looking at pictures, DJ is throwing pictures of your Instagram up here. You're doing it. I had a friend one time. I drew up my plan on what I was going to do in business. Dude, it was almost crazy because he was my age and I was your age. I drew up, I said, This is what I'm trying to do and this and that. His advice or his response was fucking the exact same I'm telling you. He's like, Dude, you're doing it. But I didn't believe him at the time. I was like, No, it still could not happen. It might not happen. And I kept working. But the point that I want you to hear is that you have to understand, bro, this will happen for you if you do the work.

I don't want you to spend the next 10 or 5 or 20 years so concerned about it not happening and not enjoying what you're doing. Because I'm going to tell you, dude, the building of the process is the fun part. It's not getting there. It's the building of it. It's you doing photoshoots and performances in this cool gas station that I'm looking at. It's you playing in front of- A few hundred people. Then 5, 10 years from now, you're playing in front of 100,000. My point is, brother, is you're fucking doing it, and I want you to enjoy this as you do it. That's my point.

My mom always tells me, Don't rob yourself the joy of living.

Yeah. You can work very hard and be dedicated and still have that. Bro, by the way, I'm looking at this photo that you posted on July 23rd of '23, where you guys are doing that set in the gas station. That goes hard as fuck, dude. That's pretty fucking sick. That's fucking... That's badass. Anyway. That's pretty fucking sick.

Thank you, man.

Yeah, brother. Listen, man, I've really enjoyed this conversation, man, and I think it's going to be very valuable to people that are coming up and chasing a dream just like you. That dream that you're fucking building, bro, do not give up on it. Do not give up on People don't take it like you're taking it. They don't systematically take it seriously. They go, they play, they think they might make it, they party their fucking balls off. You will make it if you keep going, dude. You will fucking make it. So just keep going, brother. Yeah.

Love it, man.

Thank you, man. I will say the thing that keeps me going and knowing that it is going to happen is this This is my purpose and fulfillment. This is what I'm put on this Earth to do. And with the fucking sanity of what is happening in the world, that little voice in my head will question and say, Man, you're just being a musician playing music with everything happening. But I'm like, No, what I do has purpose and value.

Massive purpose. It's massive purpose, bro. Music is one of the most important, impactful forms of human relation. Fuck, dude. Revolutions have started because of music. That's the truth.

The language we all speak.

Yeah, absolutely, brother.

Man, thank you so much. I can't tell you how much you've impacted my life. I'll give a shout out to my cousin, Derek Bowler, for turning me on to you in 2018. I've been listening ever since, and it has really shaped my mentality, my approach to life. It gave me permission to go hard and get after it and really shape my life into what it is because I am doing it. I do feel that. I'm only leveling up.

Yeah, 100%, dude. You're 24, dude. You're going to be a fucking legend if you keep going. Real talk.

That's real, bro.

That's real, man.

Raleigh, dude, we appreciate you, bro.

Yeah, DJ, shoot me his stuff so I can follow him. I got you.

Doing it right now. Raleigh, we appreciate it, bro. We're going to stay followed on you, man.

I appreciate you guys. Thank you so much. Thank you, DJ. Thank you to the team, everybody. I will promise you this, I will play Summer Smash.

Dude, I believe it, bro. Also, when we come to Austin, bro, we'll have to get a bite to eat or something.

Yes, absolutely, man. I would love that.

We'll hit you up, brother. Hey, Reilly. Sounds good. Brother, just so you know, you're the fucking reason I do this shit. This is the reason I do this shit. This is very cool for me, too, brother. It means a lot.

Thank you. I wear that bison with pride.

I know you do. I see it. I'm walking you. I'm going to watch it right now. All right, brother. We'll talk to you soon, Riley. Thanks, bro.

You all have a great day. Thank you so much. You too.

That's awesome. That's fucking cool, man. Bro, I fucking love that.

That's fucking cool.

I love that. That's fucking sick. Dude, it's the best shit ever. You know what's cool about it, dude, is that it's outside the realm of what most people think that we talk about here. You know what I'm saying? Pursuing a dream. We could substitute entrepreneur for the dream. Same, right? It's the same shit. It doesn't matter if you're a fucking artist or an organizer. You know what I'm saying?

It's excellence in your life. Correct. Whatever that it is, whatever that is, bro, I think it's fucking sick. One of the things, too, I thought was really interesting. I want to expand more on this convo. But I know you have mentioned the path of success being like that hockey stick. Oh, yeah. He mentioned like, Hey, things are moving quick, right? I don't think this is something we've dove into, but when you get that hockey stick, that in that people are talking about, shit starts moving really quick. A lot of things start happening. How do you process that piece of it when you go for so long and there's nothing, all of a sudden, you got it.

You're all of a sudden hanging the fuck on, bro. Is that what it is? Yeah. You hang the fuck on and hope that you don't make a fatal mistake, which, dude, the truth is there's very few fatal mistakes unless you're actually dead. You know what I mean? The rest of it just becomes a fucking part of the story. I think people... I think people You're a young dude and you haven't really done anything yet. You're trying to do something. People get terrified of fucking it up. That caused them so much anxiety and so much stress. But at the end of the day, bro, the truth of the matter is there's very few things that you can't fuck up, that you can't make an amazing part of the story from. You know what I mean? So these lessons that you mess up along the way end up becoming the things give you the skills to win at a higher level. You just have to possess the resilience to take those hits and take those losses and appreciate them. I did a post on this yesterday, I believe, about gratitude. It's easy to have gratitude when things are going well.

It's easy to be grateful when everything's good. But the trick of gratitude is that it's most important when things aren't good. It's most important when things are falling apart to be able to say, Hey, I'm thankful to be in this position because not only am I going to learn a lot, but I have this tremendous opportunity to overcome this, which is only going to make me stronger, better, and more skilled at what I do. I'm in a position, and things may not be going well right now, but I'm still in a very, very good position compared to a lot of people in the world. There's a lot of people who sick. There's a lot of people who are going to die today. There's a lot of people who they're never going to have the opportunity to even come back from what I have. That's when gratitude really matters, bro. When we put it all together, man, at the end of the day, we're all very fortunate to have the opportunity to build, create, and become things. It's very sad to me that people abandon that opportunity because it's It's hard. What the fuck do you want to do, bro?

You just want to sit on your couch all day? That's what you want your life to be? You know what I mean? It's not a real life. It's supposed to be hard.

It's going to be hard regardless.

Yeah. Yeah. But I was talking to a friend this morning, bro. This whole instant gratification, sales, internet guru nonsense, dude, it poisons people's mind, and it fucks up their Their understanding of what it really takes to succeed. It does way more harm than good because you have all these people who hear these people talk who appear to be credible, and then they go out in the real world and they experience something completely different that's much harder, much more difficult. Then they say, Well, fuck. I guess it's just not for me. No, it's not that it's not for you. It's that you were lied to about what the process actually is. That really hurts young people, especially today. One of the biggest advantages that I had is that I didn't have that. That's the biggest advantage.

Isn't that crazy?

Yeah. The biggest advantage that I had was that I didn't have 7,000 people a day telling me how I was going to get rich quick. Because there was none of that shit. It's hard. It's really aggravating because what these gurus sell people... I mean, real talk, dude. You should not buy anything from anybody that cannot actually show you their business, their product, their service, and that it's outside of info, period. If you fucking only sell info and that's all they sell, you should not buy anything they fucking sell, period. I don't care who the fuck it is. It's a good rule of thumb. Dude, that's 99% of these people. You guys signing up to go sit in some fucking retard's living room and fucking have him draw on a fucking piece of paper because he's got a Lamborghini, you're a fucking idiot. You deserve to lose your money. Real talk. I don't know what to- It's like the first lesson of business. I don't know what to fucking tell you.

Yeah, man. I love it, dude. I love it. We got another question, man. Let's keep moving. We got a question for Andy. Andy, I recently turned 40. For the first time, I feel anxious I worry about getting older. I worry about missed opportunities, lost time, and whether I've done enough with my life. I know aging is inevitable, but I want to embrace it instead of fearing it. Is there a way I can shift my perspective and see growing older as something to celebrate rather than something to fear and avoid?

There's a lot of things that we could talk about here. Number one, 40 is really not old like it used to be. People are in shape, people are healthy, they're taking care of themselves. We're moving into the first generation of 40 to 50-year-olds that have been training since they were 18 with weights and eating a proper diet. Most of the people that I know that are in their 40s are actually in better shape than people that are in their 20s because they're taking it more serious. I actually don't see it as that aging. That's a good thing. I think another good thing is that if you haven't spent the last 20 years building something, the technology exists today where you can build something much faster than what it would take someone who started 20 years ago. That's a great thing. I don't think there's any amount of bad things that happen when you get older other than having regrets about time wasted. As someone who really didn't waste that much time, I still have That's the same feeling. I'm like, Fuck, I could have done more. I could have done more. I could have done more.

I think that's a feeling that anybody who has ambition is going to always feel. I don't know. I feel like I keep getting better looking. I think there's a lot of good things about getting in your 40s, bro.

Might take a little longer out of bed, but you know.

Yeah, that's a negative thing. But no one could see that. No one could see how sore You know what I'm saying? But I think this is a great period of time for people who are entering their 40s or in their 40s who do have regret about how they lived their life previously to change those things and not waste 20 years having to change them. It used to be if you fucked off during your 20s and 30s and you turned 40, there was no chance because all All the relationships were made. All the business was done. My dad used to tell me, he's like, People build their relationships and they make their money in their 30s. After that, if you don't do that, you can't because no one wants to fuck with a dude who's 50 years old just starting out. It's just the way it is. But there's always exceptions to that. There's tremendous stories. Fuck, you go up and down the chain. Sam Walt didn't start until he was '40s. Kfc didn't start until he was in the '60s. There's a million stories in between of iconic men and women who built amazing things that were over the age of 40 years old.

I think a lot of what we deal with is just I think it's just natural regret of things that we could have, should, or would have done. But at the end of the day, you can't change those. You got to accept them for what they are, accept what you learn from them, and then apply them moving forward. The good news is that you have plenty of time to still do whatever it is you're trying to do. I think 40 has never been as young as it is right now, and that's the truth. Now, if you're fucking out of shape, I don't know what this person looks like. If you're fucking fat and you're out of shape and you're unhealthy, you're going to feel like you're 60.

That does shrink the time.

At 36 years old, I was 350 fucking pounds, bro. I looked older then than I do now. Ten I'm 10 years older now than I was then, and I look older then. Having your physical and your mental tuned in in your 40s is an amazing thing. If you don't do it, you're going to feel significantly older and look significantly older. I see people that I went to high school with, and no offense to anybody that might be listening, but some of you all look like shit. You know what I'm saying? You're not taking care of yourselves. You're still drinking beer every day. You're still not eating the right shit. Anybody Nobody can tell. If that's how they want to live, that's okay. But most of them don't. I think it's very important to understand that if you don't take care of those things, your quality of life is going to be terrible. If you do take care of those things, it's going to be amazing. Bro, people think, Oh, I'm 40. My youth is over. Well, dude, I know dudes that... Fucking Keanu Reeves is 63 years old. I mean, it's Keanu Reeves. That's right.

You know what I'm saying? That's pretty badass. Yeah. What What the fuck are we talking about, bro? You can live a quality life and do things at any age, bro.

Just got to go.

Yeah, you just got to quit telling yourself that stupid story of, Oh, I'm too old. You're not fucking too old. Dude, people tell themselves these two stories that cost them everything. You know what the stories are? I'm too young and I'm too old. Those are the two stories that cost everybody fucking everything. Because when they're 19 and they're 20, they don't want to start because they're too young. No Nobody will take them serious. Then when they're 30, they're like, Oh, I don't know. I probably should have started that already, but I didn't. Then when they're 40, they're too old. At what time is the appropriate time there? The appropriate time was 20 fucking years ago. You know what the next best time is? Right fucking now. That's the reality. If you tell yourself you're too old, you're never going to be shit. If you tell yourself you're too young, you're never going to be shit. If you look But in reality, there's plenty of people that are much younger than you that have been far more successful, and there's plenty of people who have started at an older age and become icons. Why do you continue to tell yourself the story that obviously There's plenty of evidence that shows that it's not true.

That doesn't make any sense. We just got to start telling ourselves the truth. The truth is this. You can be a bad motherfucker in your 40s if you want to. The Rock made most of his fucking career in his 40s. He made most of his money in in his 40s. I would say he probably looked as best in his 40s. I think anybody would agree with that. I mean, dude, there's a gazillion examples of this. You got to quit lying to yourself, bro. You're not fucking old. You're old enough to know that it's time to get going and fucking go.

I love it, bro. Yeah. I love it.

Hello?

Jason.

Jason. Yes, can you hear me?

Yeah. What's going on, man? This is DJ. What's going on, brother?

What's going on, man? How are you doing, DJ?

I'm good. How are you?

I'm doing amazing. I cannot complain.

What time is it? We got an international call, guys.

We're calling Sweden. It's like 1: 00 AM there.

Is it 1: 00 AM there?

No, it's almost going to be 11: 00 PM in Sweden.

Man, it's been late. All right. Yeah, all right. What's going on, man? How can we help? We got Andy here.

What's going on? What's up, Jason? How are you, bro?

I'm doing good, man. How are you doing?

Doing really good. What's going on across the pond over there?

I'm just dropping It was a long work day. But I wanted to call because right now, just give some backstory. At the moment, I'm 19, and I was into business when I was 16, and there's been a lot of ups and downs this year. But I feel like every time that things I stabilize and get better, I just tremble or fall once again, and I have to work my way up and it keeps going up and I'm on. Right now, I'm at a point where I work pretty hard and stabilized, but I feel like I'm less hungry for success than I was before. So I want to see what is that? Is it a mindset shift I have to make, or what do you think?

Okay, a couple of questions. When you say that you're going up and down, are you saying you're taking three steps forward and then one step backwards?

Yeah, correct. It's like that.

Okay, so you are leveling up. You are creating a new base every time this happens, correct?

No, no. Previously, what's What's happened is now I've been stable, but it feels like I'm still not growing. But previously, what happened was that I went up and I went completely to shit. I used to destroy it. But now I kept it, but I feel like now, when I'm at this point, I'm less hungry for success than I was before, previously.

Okay. And you're 19? Yeah, correct. All right, cool. First of all, you need to erase this idea that you're successful out of your brain. You're 19 years old. It costs an immense amount of success to live a comfortable lifestyle. Whatever you think it is that you need to be earning, you probably need to be earning 10 times that amount. That's just the reality for a number of reasons. One, things cost more than you think. Two, the money is always becoming less valuable. Three, we're going to be alive for a long time. The first thing that I've got to tell you is that your goal has to be expanded tremendously to restore that hunger that you are looking to restore. Hunger happens when we have a lot of distance to cover between where we are and where we're trying to go. When we get to a place of comfortable or close to where we think we want to be, it is a natural thing for us to feel comfortable and complacent to not feel as hungry. The solution to that is going to be you expanding your goals and vision for yourself to a much bigger place.

Now, Jason, you may not be a guy who wants to have helicopters and fucking Bugattis and shit. I don't know. Are you? Yeah, of course. Okay, well, then, bro, good because you're going to have to make a lot of more fucking money than you're making now. All right. All right? Where is that place that you need to be in order for you to have those things? Then you have to account for all of your friends and all of your family and your future family and what you want their lifestyle to be and how you want to take care of them. This is a big mistake that a lot of young people make. They set their goals for themselves, not realizing that, one, it's going to take a lot more money than what you think. Number two, you're going to have other obligations come across your life that you don't currently have. You're probably going to meet someone. You're probably going to have a family. Your family that you have now, your mom, your dad, your brother, your sister, somebody's going to get sick. There's going to be things that happen. When we're young, and this is one of the I did right.

This is something I always thought about. Even though I never had kids, I always thought that I was going to. I always based my goal around how I wanted to have my family be, even when I was 20 years old. Because of that, I've built a very big life, especially for my age. Most of the people that have something of this size are 75 years old at the their life. But because I thought about the right way, where you still have this opportunity to think about it, I was able to create something that was able to accomplish all of that. If you want to be hungry, dude, you got to set bigger goals. You got to set a bigger plan. You got to say, All right, this is where I want to be 10 years from now, 20 years from now, not just one year from now or two years from now. Then we work backwards and create a system to to make that reality. That's the big thing to restore hunger. You got to be real. Dude, sometimes at 19 years old, we don't have the capacity or the understanding of how life is going to play out.

But you have to take it for people that have been down the path, bro. You got to make so much more money than what you think, dude. What society tells us we need is just not the truth for ambitious people that want to be financially free and successful in a real way. Secondly, after all of that, the up and down situation can be one of a couple of things. There is a natural progression that goes three steps or two steps forward, one step back, or three steps forward, one step back. That's pretty normal. In business, typically, what I've experienced and what I've tried to coach people on is that it's usually about three years. Once you get the run up going, you'll have about three years, and then you'll have a flat year or two where you have to regroup, and then you'll go on another run. The pattern, if you could visualize it, it goes up, then it gets flat, then it goes up, then it gets flat, and that's normal. Don't put too much in into obsessing over that you go hard and then regress a little bit, if that's what's going on.

Now, there's another thing that happens that may or may not be happening here, only you will know. Jason, you know what a bell curve is, right?

Yeah, it's like the thing when it goes up and down.

There you go. Okay. I want you to visualize a bell curve, all right? And You're at the front of the bell curve on the left-hand side, and you don't know shit. You're totally ignorant to what it takes to succeed. You start to want to go up that curve. Because you don't know shit, you are very coachable. You're looking around at other successful people. You're watching what they do. You're saying, All right, I'm a blank canvas, and I'm going to form myself into someone who can move up. They We find these techniques. We find these techniques. We find these things that start to move us up the curve, and we start to have some success. Then we say, Okay, this is working. Then we do more of these things, and then we start to have more success. As that success, as you start to approach the top of the curve, something usually happens, and it happens to everybody. It's not just me or you or fucking... It's everybody. Is that the first time this happens or the second time this happens, we look at ourselves and we start to tell ourselves a story that really isn't true.

What we tell ourselves is that we're special and we're good at what we do, and we're gifted, and look at this success. It's me, but it's not you, and it's not me. It's the actions that we took along the way. And so what happens is people let their ego start to make them believe that they are special, that it's them, and that whatever they touch will actually work. And because they stop doing the things that got them there and stop valuing the system that got them there, they start to go back down the other side of the curve. Then what happens is they fall all the way down, they get to the bottom, and then by the time they're at the bottom, they're humble again because they're like, Fuck, I just lost everything. What the fuck? Then they start listening again, and then they go back to the system, and then they go up the curve, and then the same thing happens again and again and again. Most people's lives look like a giant up and down. You start to the left, it goes up, it comes back down. It goes up, it comes back down like a wave.

You have to break that pattern by recognizing that when you are successful and when you are doing well at the top of that curve, you have to stop and be aware and say, Okay, I've been here before. This is happening. It's good. What happened last time that it fell apart? And how do I avoid that? And the answer usually is very simple. It's you have to continue to do the things that got you there, improve upon them, and be extra diligent about keeping your foot on the throttle to make sure that you continue to move up as opposed to falling back down the other side of the curve. In fact, Guys, we need to work on some whiteboard situation in here so I can do that. For next show, let's have that. But does that make sense to you, brother?

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. There's something I want to add. It's very true what you said when it comes to the point where you start to get momentum and just keep going. But I feel like right now, also, I'm becoming fearful of going back down again. There's also something that's specifically related to money and then having a fear of losing what I worked for.

Does that make sense? Yeah, for sure, bro. Why do you think that's a bad thing?

I don't know. It makes me feel like I can't take the risk that I want to take and feel like I'm very protective of everything. It makes me a bit anxious. It feels like I'm going to lose it whenever.

Okay, so it makes you hesitate is what you're saying.

Yeah, correct. That's the word.

Okay, so you have to reframe this in your mind. Instead of letting it make you hesitate, it should be a signal to go harder. When you start to feel the hesitation and you start to feel like, Oh, man, maybe I'm going to lose, what happens, that's awareness, bro. You're being a realist, okay? A lot of people will say, Oh, don't think about that because you'll fucking attract it. Yeah, if you obsess about losing, you're going to lose. But if it pops into your head and you get a little scared and you get a little anxious, that's your awareness telling you that I need to push forward. I need to continue to go. That is not a bad thing. That's a really great thing, bro, because most people don't have that fear of losing. Then all of a sudden, they just lost, and they're like, How did this happen? What happened The fear. Right. The fear is actually a good signal to receive because it pushes you down the path further. Jason, I am terrified of fucking losing, bro. I think about it all the time, bro. I don't want to lose. But you know what happens when I start to feel like I'm losing?

These guys in here know exactly what the fuck happens. What happens? You get about 7,000 text messages in an hour.

This shit gets going again.

Exactly. Yeah, Yeah, dude. Is that true or not true? It's fucking real. Can you guys tell when I'm starting to get fucking nervous?

Absolutely. All right.

Because, bro, that's... Other motherfuckers won't tell you this because they want to be like, Oh, I'm never scared. I'm always on the grass. Well, let me tell you something, bro. I'm scared all the fucking time. That's why I run so fast. I don't want to go back to where I came from. I don't want to fucking lose. The minute I start to feel that, I start to do things that are productive towards where I want to go. You will never eliminate that fear, brother. It will never go away. Even when you've gotten to where you want to go and you've accomplished everything that you've ever wanted to accomplish, you're going to still have that fear because that's the trait of an ambitious person, someone who is a builder, a creator, and you were gifted with that. Not everybody's gifted with that, bro. It's actually a really good thing that you have that as long as you don't hesitate. Instead of hesitating, it should trigger you forward. Does that make sense?

It makes a lot of sense. I actually haven't thought about before. I usually have listened to people in your mindset and stuff, and they always say you need to be abundant and stuff like that.

There's truth to that, too. You don't want to obsess over the fear, okay? You want to feel it, you want to accept it. You want to recognize what it is. Then you want to get focused on the abundance and the wealth and the success that you're going to create by taking action. Yes. By taking action. You got to do something. Yeah, you got to take action, dude. Listen, for 19 years old, man, this is totally normal. Unfortunately, I wish I could tell you, Hey, man, it goes away after this, but it's never gone away for me. I don't think it will ever go away for me because I think I've been implanted with some drive that is just part of who I am and part of my DNA. One of my good friends who's been on the show before, Zoltan from Five Finger Death Punch. We were sitting in my in my cigar lounge, and we were having a conversation. You were there. I was telling him how I was struggling with what you're talking about. Only for me, it was, I have a hard time fitting in with regular people and caring about what regular people care about because it's just not interesting to me.

Every time I try to care I get miserable. He said something to me that was just like, it reset. It fixed my mentality immediately. He's like, Bro, did you ever think that maybe you're just a fucking warrior and this is what you're meant to do because the world needs people like you. It fixed my whole mentality. Now that anxiety and that frustration is just something that I've accepted about myself. I think you would do yourself a massive favor, brother, by just accepting that you were given the gift of ambition and drive, and it's very important for you to fulfill that. You're going to feel differently than what most people feel. Most people are going to get satisfaction from earning X amount of dollars and living a normal life and doing the regular things that everybody else does. Unfortunately, bro, that's probably going to feel weird for you because you're built differently. There is a true thing of people being built differently and You're given different gifts. When you're given the gift of being a builder and a creator and someone who contributes, and also as a result of the things you build, create, and contribute, you become wealthy, it's just a different life, dude.

There's going to be anxiety, and there's going to be fear, and there's going to be frustration. As long as you know how to deal with those things properly, brother, you're going to be one of the people that everybody looks at and says, That's why I know I can do what I'm try to do. I think that's the most noble thing that we can do as human beings, is to inspire others through our own stories.

Yeah, man, it sounds really good. When you read something like that, it's actually all positive, honestly. It makes me push hard, but I haven't thought of it.

Yeah, you've been given a gift, Jason.

Yeah. Appreciate it, man.

Yeah, you're not like everybody else. You wouldn't be calling into this show if you were.

Yeah, I had a different path. Before I dropped out of school when I was 16 to go into entrepreneurship and stuff like that. Yeah. And also I've been an inspiration for it. We could do that as well, to go all in on this.

Well, brother, you're the- Sorry to be patient, but- Hey, bro, you're the reason I do this shit, bro. I love that we're doing call-ins now because it reminds me that people are actually going out and executing. So I appreciate that very much, dude. But what I appreciate more is that you have the courage to go out and do this because It's required, man. People need to see these stories, and they need to see young Jason who dropped out of school at 15 years old to build something that he cared about. That's going to inspire other people, man. I was never someone who did well in school either. I couldn't do it. I wasn't focused on it. It wasn't something I cared about. Hearing the stories of other people gave me hope. It said, Okay, well, maybe you're not meant for that path. Maybe you're meant for this path. I spent a lot of time thinking I was fucked up. But until I found other stories of people that felt like me, bro, it was a bad situation for me mentally. So remember this. Ten years from now, people are going to be looking at you in your community and in your country, and they're going to be saying, Fuck, dude.

Jason did it. I could fucking do it. I'm not built like everybody. I'm not getting straight A's. That doesn't mean that I can't go out and build shit. It's going to be a very important thing, dude. I really have a tremendous amount of respect for anybody who decides to go do that because it's against the grain, and it takes a lot of courage to do. I really, really fucking appreciate you doing it, dude.

Yeah, thank you, man. I appreciate it. By the way, I think everybody is listening to the show should do 75 hard as well. I jumped onto that as well. It's freaking amazing so far. I'm going to finish that. I have like 20 days left.

Fuck, yeah, man.

It was freaking great, man. And listening to the show every day as well. I love what you guys are doing there.

Thank you.

Amazing It works.

Thank you, brother. I appreciate it, man. We all appreciate it. We're all sitting here.

We appreciate you, bro. All right, Jason, we'll catch in with you next time, man.

Yeah, thank you, guys. Have a great day.

You, too.

I love that, dude.

Bro, I fucking love hearing from these young people.

Doing it.

Dude, it's so inspiring to me. It makes me feel like, dude, because you know me as well as anybody. One of the biggest things I struggle with is, does what we do even matter. You know what I mean? I don't see the people out here doing these things. My fuck is in Sweden. I know. I just love that. It makes me feel like, okay, well, maybe... Because, dude, even if one or two people do this, if I spend 10 years and fucking one or two or five people, it's worth it.

100%, bro. I love it, dude. I think the biggest piece on that, man, is you got to dream bigger. You got to make that vision so fucking big, bro.

It's hard for people people who have never witnessed that in person to do. That's why we talk about, I think we talked about this last week, too, but people have to do intentional proximity success. You have to be intentional about it. You have to go where they go. You have to be around who they are. You have to make friends with them. If you have to pay to be in a network, that's okay. Make sure it's not one of these fucking stupid ones. Make sure it's the real one. But the point is that if you've never experienced it, you have intentionally be around it. That doesn't mean anything more than proximity. I think the most valuable thing that people can learn from being around successful people, and this is what I've learned, this is the biggest lesson I've ever learned about people, is that they're all normal like you and me and everybody else. They're not special. I used to think they were special, bro. I used to think it was a club. I used to think there was a special handshake or a fucking secret knock. And that's not what it is, dude. It's regular people who have huge massive goals who almost always have a massive chip on their shoulder to prove something, and they just go.

This is why we talk about the myth of this lesson, this myth that goes around like, Oh, man, that guy did all that, but he must have had it fucking handed to him, and it was so easy. No, you stupid fuck. The reason that these people built shit is because it was hard for them at some point in their life, and they learned grit, resilience, and they had enough pain from where they came from that they want to get the fuck away from it no matter what it takes. The people that are the most successful that are self-made are generally the ones that come from the hardest situations. That's the fucking truth. It is the complete opposite of what most people say. If you're trying to do shit and you look around, Fuck, my life is so fucked. I don't know. No, that's great because you get to unfuck it. You know what I'm saying? Absolutely. That provides enough internal drive and energy and fucking anger and rage and energy to make It's going to happen, dude. Eventually, you get past that point. Eventually, you get mostly past it. If someone step on your toes, that's different.

But you'll get to a point where it's very purpose-driven. There are purpose-driven people that start out at the beginning purpose-driven, but it's few and far between.

I love it, dude. I love it, guys. Andy, bro, that was three. Yeah.

All right, guys. Let's go kick ass. We'll see you when we see you. We're for sleep we see you.