Transcript of TOAST FINDS A NEW HOBBY ft. bbno$ | OfflineTV Podcast #14

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Welcome to episode 14 of the offline TV podcast. Today, we're here with a special guest, Baby No Money.

Hello, guys. How are you guys doing?

Hello.

How did they get you to do this?

You just asked me, and I was like, Yeah, I'm down. And that was it. And I'm here now.

Yeah. No, Rodan had it like that. But it makes sense because my interaction with Baby No Money, that's how I started. I just asked something. It's like, Yeah, no, I'm down. And then a week later, I'm in Vancouver at his concert on a one-day notice.

That show was so ridiculous.

Is that Can you think of how you live your life?

What?

Just Yolo?

Yeah. It's really fun. It's super, super rewarding because if I don't have any really set schedule, unless I'm doing a show, I can just literally do it whenever I want. I've also got a customized myself super, super well to traveling and taking flights. I think I take more... I've taken more flights than I've taken busses in the past five years, probably. So it's... I don't know. It's just nice. All right, well, I'm going to the Virgin Islands or I'm going to Hawaii. Bye, guys. Something like that.

I love flying. You don't like flying, right?

It's just a lot of time to not be doing something.

I do so much. I feel like I get more work done on a plane, and then I immediately fall You're not going to sleep as well, too.

You don't get dizzy or motion sick, air pressure.

I used to get a little scared. But yeah, life's good. Life's great. Being able to do whatever you want to do. Like you said, today, you woke up and rotted. We are here. We're rotted.

Yeah. Today, I just spent all day in bed doing nothing. Sometimes I like to think to myself, Oh, you need that. But I don't know if I really need that. I'm just making up a reason of why I did nothing today. People think streamers are up to cool stuff, but most times they're just at home watching TV on YouTube.

Or playing games offline.

For fun.For fun.For fun, yeah.

For fun, which is a weird thing. There was a period of my time where if I played a game, I felt like, Oh, I should be streaming this. But now I just play games offline.

How was the new WoW?

It was good.

It was a lot of I wish I played, man. Yeah.

I just had no time. You had the whole music tour, making money, career thing, which I guess is a reason to not play WoW.

Are you a big gamer? I feel like a lot of musicians are like... I've met enough musicians that even have almost underground gaming circles where they're like, Yeah, I was playing with Zed and Skrillex the other night. Yeah.

I grew up... Every single interview, I end up always talking about this, but I was homeschooled, I didn't really have too many friends. I have my brother and sister, but they went away to university, and then I was like, Well, shit, I guess I have World of Warcraft. I was playing Diablo 2 in World of Warcraft early on, and I just kept with it because it was more just a simple life. I would just be able to play video games and chill. Then I remember the transitional phase of going to high school. I was homeschooled for nine years, and then I went to high school, and I was just playing WoW, and no one talked about playing WoW because it was like, you don't really talk about playing WoW. Then grade 12, everyone was more accustomed to playing video games, and it was like Call of Duty was out, and everything was, this was popular, that was popular. But yeah, hours, days, days played, years played in WoW, unfortunately, but fortunately because it's a good game.

Yeah, we talked about rating this time, but schedule didn't line up. But there is Hardcore Classic WoW. Yeah, Mizz has been Dude, play, play.

I'm like, No, I cannot. I cannot sacrifice that much time. When is it? Live? Or when's the meta hitting?

Meeting for the Hardcore guild is November 13th. Hey, we're just going to all meet up in Ugrimar. The poppins got a plan. You divide it into races, and you hang out with only your own race.

Really? Yeah.

It's like a house in Harry Potter.

That's dumb, actually.

I think taking it pretty seriously. I'm probably just going to show up for the first two weeks. I talked to a lot of people about it, and they said, Yeah, I can only play for two weeks max because anything past that, it starts affecting your life.

Yeah, big time. I mean, two weeks, you'd be lucky to hit 60. I mean, if you're sweating, you might hit 60. But I remember I did 60 in COVID, and that was just like... Hours. Rained. Rained. You play well?

I dabbled. It didn't hook me. It didn't hook me. Yeah.

You forced Broden to play an expansion. How was that? You played Demon Hunter, right?

That was fun for the mobility. When I was a kid, I had an undead mage, and I made it to level 27 or something. Then at that point, I was like, I don't know if I want to keep begging my parents to pay for this every month.

The game early on is a really slow-paced burn. It's like you just have to be manic to play that to be honest. But something about it was just so comforting. You just log on, you hear the music, and then you just go kill boors, orcs. So be it.

What I did like about it was the social aspect because all my friends would play it. So I just log in, they'd be like, runs online. I'm like, hang out in Orga Mar or whatever.

It's a fun little game, too. It's just an excuse to spend time with friends.

Yeah, totally.

But we're not here to talk about video games. We talk We're going to talk about cool stuff.

Dope shit.

I'm getting really into Pokémon trading cards. Do you guys want to open a pack? Dude, yeah. You guys fuck with Pokémon?

I fuck with Pokémon, but I don't...

Not the cards?

I mean, I like Pokémon. I like the cards, but I can't get into a hobby like this.It's a whole thing.

It's a whole scene. People love opening cards. Essentially, they see it as almost gambling. Got you.Oh.

No, I know that.

Let's show them what we got. We got Sandy Gas. We understand now these cards matter. You just want the three at the back, the shiny ones. We got Rotom. That was good. We got Serano, and we got... It's a full art. This is worth at least $4.

What do people do? They swap? They drop this card?

The bottom two cards, including that one. You just dropped your bottom card one more time.

Drop that in this?Yeah.

From the back. The very last card is just an energy card. Then it's the last three cards that are going to be shiny. You want something that's a full art like this one. That's the valuable stuff.

All right.

You want a full art.

What's the most expensive card that would come out of that?

It's a Pikachu Super Iillustration rare. People love Pikachu, so it's a full-art Pikachu. You're happy with that.

Okay. You got Duraludon, Gaspardon, Orycoccus.

Oh, yeah. None of those are good. I'm sorry, man. You're looking at about 10 cents for each of those.

I am rich now. Well, thank you.

This is Garbage.

Garbage.

Garbage. Garbage. Garbage. Oh, cryogonal?

Not a full art. It needs to be a full art.

So Garbage?

Garbage. Garbage.

Torus, Garbage.

You guys are useless.

But it's Palkeia, dude.

Spend $20 on these packs.

How much was the... What's it called, Carby? The Pikachu?

That one's going for $300.

Oh, so these packs are pretty light.

Yeah. If you want to buy the super expensive Chase packs, those go up to $200 per pack. But you can score $15,000 for Charazards and stuff. There's a very small chance. Generally, people I think you have much better odds just going to Vegas and gambling on roulette. But it's Pokémon, so it's cute and the kids love it.

Do you like gambling? Do you guys like gambling?

We're going to Macao.

Oh, true. Yeah. Really?

Yeah. Next month. Nice. Because there's this game called TFT. They're having a tournament there, and I just hear it.

It's a super gambling city.

Have you been there?

I've never been, but every time I've been around the area, everyone's like, go to Macao, go below Bay, go party. I'm like, I don't really gambling. But I was in Vegas recently and I put down $200. I came out with $700. It was sick.What was your game?Blackjack is way easier than roulette. If you just put it on red or black, you can just talk to the person handing you cards, whatever the dealer. When you're playing Blackjack and be like, What are you supposed to do? And they'll guide you because they don't care. You just ask them, and then you basically just take money from them. It's dope.

It's funny because they always have this... I don't care. But they'll always look your hand, the corner of their eye, be like, You're supposed to hit that. You're supposed to hit that.

Yeah.

It's fine. They judge you if you do the wrong play because a lot of kids, they go in and they think, Oh, even though it's a 20% chance to win, getting hit, they'll do it because they're feeling crazy. The dealers will always go, All right, fine. Then roll their eyes if the kid wins because it's conditioning them to do bad bets. But yeah, or you can't just ask them what's to play here because they don't make that money.

Yeah. I don't think that... Do they make commission on what they clean up?

I mean, yeah, they get tips from people at the table, but it just gets scooped into a bucket. I never know if they're going to actually see that.

Yeah, they probably don't. It's probably all pooled and everything.

Yeah.

But gambling is also scary. The worst is when you see a 75-year-old woman smoking two cigarettes with 17 drinks at the slots, and you're like, damn, bro, this shit hits home real hard. It's a lifestyle. Yeah, it is a lifestyle. It's like playing, wow, it's a lifestyle. A little both unhealthy.

Do you gamble, Brogan?

When I'm there, I don't go out of my way for it. But if I'm in Vegas, I'll typically bring a few hundred bucks to have some fun at the tables. The times that I've gone, I treat Blackshack as almost like the farming game. You go there to slowly earn money, and then maybe you'll make 200 bucks over 2-3 hours. Then you go to another game, lose it all, go back to Blackjack, and then start farming again.

It's definitely the easiest game to make money, at least from my experience. I'm terrible at Texas Hold and all the other ones. I have no idea what's going on.

I tried sitting at one of the poker tables once, and that was a bad idea. Because also at the lower stakes ones, they have this thing where there's a max bet or something. There's really no stakes where if you have cards where you're like, Oh, I got three aces. I'm probably going to win this. You raise or something, the guy in the fifth chair is going to be like, You could be bluffing. You could have it. I don't care. I just want to see. It's like, All right, well, he hit the max of $25.

You play against each other?

Yeah. Poker is a PvP.

Oh, that makes me uncomfortable.

That makes me want to play.

You make money from a complete stranger. Yeah.

And the table gets a commission of each pot.

Okay. That's how they make money. Yeah.

The stakes are higher. When you're going against each other, it's way more fun.

I knew a guy in college who would... I went to school in Orange County, and every month, he would pick a weekend to drive to either Vegas or just a local casino. And that was his job. He was so good at poker. He would just go clean up, come back. And that was his income for the month.

That's ridiculous. Gravy's tour manager, Andrew Pouya, is like, You know Pouya, the rapper as well? Yeah, he's the same person. So Gravy's tour manager is his real-life brother, but they're so good at poker. And whenever Pouya sells merch or sells merch, they'll take some merch money and just triple it, quadruple it. He's so good at poker. I don't really understand people like that. It's just like they'll turn $5,000 for 50 and just walk out.

It's crazy.

Yeah, it's crazy.

I guess poker is a game where you get to play against worst players. So if you're good, the odds are really much better than any casino games.

The guy who would do that, too, he told me that there was... Like any other game, there's metas that develop. So there was a meta of... I'm going to make stuff up because I don't know the actual terms. There was a meta where maybe you always bluff your first hand or you always do this, or that thing. And then as people start to get accustomed to it, they're like, Okay, that's the bluff, that's the whatever. Then it shifts over time and changes again. From that, he could tell who is an experienced player. Because if they're doing the meta plays, he's like, Okay, I got to be careful with that guy. But this guy, I can just sweep.

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Dude, I don't know. Poker for me, I'm trash at it, but one of these days, maybe. I feel like it's a really... It's like a rich person game. I remember I was in China one time. I was hanging out with the... You know, like leaning? It's basically like Nike of China. I was hanging out with the owner of leaning, and it was this older dude, and he was with all his homies smoking cigars. They were throwing down $40,000 bets, and I'm like, Guys, you are insane. There was a no joke. We were at his party house or some shit. I don't know. But they had a real terracotta warrior in it. I was like, All right, this is some generational wealth right now. But they were betting like crazy. I was like, I'm not going to join you guys. I don't even know how to play the game that well.

Because you go to China relatively often, right? Because you had a viral moment there.

Yeah. In 2017, I was in school, and basically, I woke up one day. It was like a DM. This person was like, Oh, you're famous in China. That was it. Then I looked into it because I was like, I'll take a lead. I had no leads at that time. I looked into it and booked shows myself and got out to China. It was dope because I made $3,500 that summer working as a busser at a restaurant. Then I got paid $6,000 to go do eight shows, fully paid. I was like, Guys, for one hour, six shows, six hours, I'm going to pay $1,000 an hour? I was like, Mom, I'm getting paid a fucking lawyer. She was like, All right, go ahead. I went, and it was just the most culture shock/ why am I famous in China? Realization. I came out to my first show, and I turned around to my DJ, and he didn't even know the DJ, and we're like, What the fuck are we doing here? Really cool experience. Did not expect that to happen, but it did.

It was cool. What was the clip that?

The Catalyst? Basically, this guy, Jackson Lee. Yeah, Jackson Lee, he danced on his 16th birthday that was a completely televised across everything. They're like the Kardashian family out there, basically. Really popular. I don't really know what they do fully, but his 16th birthday, he just danced one of my songs. I just went immediately viral. I don't know anything if there was Inception prior to that. I have no idea if there was... I don't know how the dance choreographer was like, You know what? We should dance to this song. I I don't know if I was popular prior, but that was the moment that started everything. Then I went out there immediately after thing.

Do you remember what song was?

It's called Yoyo Tokyo.

Yoyo Tokyo.

Yeah, it shit sucks, but it blew up in China greatly. I remember playing it for the first time, and everyone knew every lyrics, and I was like, whoa. Because I put it on SoundCloud for two weeks, and then it just did terrible in America. I was like, All right, I'm going to delete it. So I deleted it. Then it was transported to all the other Chinese platforms. It just was really popular out there. Yeah, it's nuts. It didn't really make any sense, but it is cool because there's 10 or 15 songs that are way more popular in China than they are here. It's cool because I go out there and I act like a different person. It's like I'm actually famous out there. It's really interesting.

I'm surprised you just didn't stay there because if I was famous in another country and I wasn't that in my country, I just moved there. Well, I was still studying, so I was like, I just got to finish my degree.

Then the guy who was always booking me, he was like, You can't really live here. It's not like there's no rarity of you coming out or staying here the whole time. You come back, you sell tickets. It's a very important moment. But yeah, it's interesting. But it was really cool because growing up in Vancouver, most of my Most of my friends were Chinese, so I was like, Oh, this is sick. I already know the culture a little bit more than most people would. Yeah, I love Chinese culture, and Chinese is the best.

Was it your friends that let you know?

No. I just got a DM from someone that didn't follow anyone on Twitter. At the time, I had 2,000 followers on Twitter. Probably even less, probably 200. I was like, This makes no sense. Why are you talking crazy about me being famous in China? I was like, Obviously, I'm going to look this up. I was like, What do you mean? She's like, Yeah, you're super famous. Wow. Okay, so I looked it up and I downloaded WeChat, figured it all out. Can I have you a WeChat?

I think there's a band. I think it's the band Weedis. I could be misremembering this, but they did the song that was like, Two Tickets, Two Iron Maiden. Yeah. I believe Released that song in the US or Canada, one of the two, and it didn't do very well. But then it blew up in Europe. They got really famous there, and they would go out, sell arenas, do big shows, but then come back, and it really told on them that no one knew who they were at home. Do you have any sense of that? Or are you just like, No, that's cool. I'm a different person over there.

I mean, a little bit. In Brazil, for instance, La La was number one for six months. I've never been. I don't know why my agent... I've told my agent 150 times. I'm like, Please get me down there. I need to go to Rio and São Paulo. It's never happened, but Supposedly, I'm very popular down there, but it's just sometimes it doesn't work. Supposedly, you're supposed to go down, only do a festival. So it's a guaranteed good look no matter what, blah, blah, blah, this, this, that. When I was popular in China, I would go out and do 4,000 tickets and then come back to study my kinesiology exams. It just didn't make any sense. I remember when I got my first $20,000 bag in China, I was also just... I would go home, literally. I would have to write to the dean and be like, Hey, I'm getting offered this much money. Go perform in China. Please, I need an exemption. Then I would just write my tests in private rooms. It was sick because I would just honestly be able to cheat. It was amazing. They made my life a little bit easier just accepting the fact that I was doing this artistic perspective or the artistic endeavors.

It's like if you're an athlete for the team on the school, it's like they fly away, they do this, they do that, they get extra bonuses in here and there.

So your school saw your value?

Maybe. They actually just tried to book me to perform at their frost week. But I was busy, unfortunately. But I was like, damn, that would have been full circle.

Because I went to film school. And what's funny is it became backwards because we would go to school to get jobs in the film industry. But then we would start getting jobs in the film industry, and then the classes would be like, No, you got to show up for class or you're going to fail. It's like, What's the point of being here if you don't want us to work?

Where'd you go?

I went to Chapman. Oh, nice. Yeah. So It became political where some people knew which teachers to talk to to be like, Hey, it's that thing. Is that cool? They're like, Yeah, you're fine. Then other people who didn't know how to play the game were like, I need to do this. They're like, You do this, you fail. Where they would lose out on opportunities.

Yeah, it's backwards, considering I feel like most art programs or anything that's more hands-on, it holds you back. All the people that I've known that have gone to music school, not for production, but business music school, every single prof basically says, If you're in this class, you're basically failing. You're not going to be successful at this job. If you don't have something going on at the same time and you're not working outside of class, outside of what I'm trying to teach you, you're fucked. Which is real because that's ideal information you would hear from people. But also people just rinse people for money, especially education system here is crazy.

Is that how filming works? They just grab students from film school and make them the PAs. Because you see that stereotype of the actors or producers just screaming at some poor kid. Is that any truth to that?

That definitely exists. It's super real. Yeah, it's super real. When you're in college kids, those will fill out more indie sets because the film industry is really set up to be union-based or Union-focused. Certain sets you cannot work on unless you're part of the Union. There's this whole thing called Flipping Union, where sometimes an independent feature film will have their crew. They'll have, let's say, it's a $2 million budget, so pretty small. Everyone's working on it. Then something happens where maybe they get an influx of cash where it's now a $7 million budget because they got a big star or something. The producers always have this weird, Oh, we technically have to be Union now. I'm also misquoting things. Just know that this exists.

The Union is all weird.

Yes. But there's a thing called Flipping Union, where sometimes the unions will find out a production should be union, and they'll come and be like, Hey, you need to be union. Then what will happen is all of these people that were not union will get instant status if the production flips and then they're suddenly in the union. It's like hitting the lottery of like, Yes, I'm in. Because otherwise, you have to work like 40 or 60 days on set of verified sets to apply. It's just like every so often in school, someone would be like, Hey, I was on a set and we flipped. I'm Union now.

That's sick. It's like it's getting a free battle pass, man. Dropping in with the battle pass.

Does that happen in music production?

I mean, Sometimes, some managers will pick up an artist, do literally fucking nothing, and sign them to a publishing and a label deal, and take 20% of all the money that they will make. They can sign them to a contract in perpetuity or seven years with a really bad sunset clause, where if you fire them, they make 20, 18, 10, 15, blah, blah, blah, blah, people for sure in music. I've definitely encountered a lot of people that are just like, Where do you get off? Energy. There's a lot of leach energy. This guy had a song, Blow Up on TikTok, and he didn't purchase the beat. Then when this song was blowing up, he had a label deal. So he purchased the beat and he stole the label deal and he was like, You can't take this deal without giving me some of the deal. That's how shitty people can be. That's fucked. This was a random brand new artist, random guy in university that literally had millions of dollars stripped away from because Justin.

You can do that?

You can go out and buy the-Popyright law is crazy. Basically, in a lot of my songs, there's this girl that goes like, Oh, baby, no money. I made her sign the snippet away, or my new song, it's like with the It Boy, with the girls like, Baby No Money, who the fuck do you think you are? I made her sign a percentage away to give me the ownership of her voice in that moment or the clip. But basically, If I didn't, she could have sued me immediately. It's Creative Commons. Once you put your voice on something, you own ownership of it unless it's contracted. I've been fucked over left and right in the music business for sure. I've lost thousands of dollars by making mistakes, but you make mistakes to learn for the future. But it's a cool industry because you realize that once you get into the industry, you're like, Oh, this is how it's ran. Then you just find your pocket of good friends and producers and musicians, and then you just don't need to talk to anyone else because once you deviate and start meeting other people, they usually just suck ass.

It's the nature of things. That's why I do a lot of content is because musicians are so hard to work with. They're crazy people. But it's dope, though, because you got to meet people and you're like, Whoa, you're so delusional. That's crazy. That's interesting. It's like egos are real inflated in music. It's dope.

Are you deluded in some way then?

Oh, completely. But that's just the nature of... To make music, you have to be You have to have lost your mind because it's like, you just have to keep doing it, keep doing it. Honestly, it's extremely extreme. You just got to keep doing it until it works, and it works. But in the back of your head, you're like, I know this is going to work? Did you assume it was going to work? Did you assume any of this was going to work?

I guess a little bit. I knew I can do something different doing it because there's no reason to do it if you don't think there's a path to success. I think some people in streaming just do it because people are doing it. But I find the ones that succeed generally map out everything. Okay, I'm going to collab with this. I'm going to play this game. I'm going to push this content. And they just keep grinding and grinding. But there's a lot of luck involved in streaming. At the end of the day, someone can blow up overnight if they play the right game, have the right clip. But the successful one does come with a little bit of delusion and ego like, Oh, I'm going to be big in this world. I know a lot of them say that, but the ones that succeed also say that. How's the film industry? Because there's the music industry, and you You've peaked into it, of what people are like in the music industry. I wonder how that matches up to people in Hollywood, the big dogs.

I feel like some of the most lame people I've ever met are actors. I'm sure it's worse, but I don't know. Okay, get this. I was doing a rehearsal. Where was it? I don't know. Some place in North Hollywood. Long story short, we got a call and they're like, Hey, you have to give up the rehearsal space. I'm like, No, I booked this three. This was actually for the streamer awards. I was like, I booked this three months ago or a month ago. Long story short, it was Nicki Minaj. Basically, we pulled up, all of her security pulled up, and they were like, Give us your phone. They took everyone's phone because we weren't allowed to look at her or see her. I'm like, What? That's crazy, bro. What? But I mean, Hey, man, when you're that famous for that long, it's going to do something to your mental, right? Each to their own. But I mean, it's cool that she lives a life that isn't normal. That's not human. So it's cool if you think about it, but it's also probably not good for you. But hey, it is what it is.

From the people that I've met, it seems like a coin flip. Some people are super down to Earth, and you're just like, Oh, you're just a normal person. Then the other people are, yeah, they're a little different. They live life differently. For example, I worked on a thing where Will Farrell came on, and he was the guest actor of the thing. The nicest guy showed up to set, literally went to every crew member. He's like, What's your name? I'm Will. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Did that whole thing, sat down. He had the whole room laughing, did his thing. He was like, You guys doing anything else for me? All right. Thanks for having me. He was like, Wow, what a pleasure to work Then you've got the other people that are like, Okay, he's supposed to be here an hour ago. Manager said he'll be here in 30. Then they'll show up, a diva of like, My coffee's not hot enough. Yeah.unglasses off. All right, let's do this. Do the thing then leave.Coffees.

Are not hot enough is crazy.Yeah. Got any names?Name drop, man.I.

Don't want to say the bad ones.

But you know... Okay, do people know them?

Oh, actually, I think the most I was a diva person on set was actually a musician. It wasn't an actor. Really? It was someone who was being filmed for a documentary. We rented out this hotel room, had it all set up, light set up, camera, a whole crew of 15 to 20 people. Then we're waiting there for, I think, 3 to 4 hours. The whole time, the producer is like, Where is this guy? He keeps calling their either assistant or manager, and the manager just keeps giving different answers. They're like, Yeah, he's on his way. Sorry, he's eating lunch right now. So class. No, he's still in the studio. Then at the end of the five hours, it's dark now, the manager finally says, Sorry, he was actually sleeping. He was up really late in the studio. He's not going to come to you. But you can come to his studio, set up there, and then he'll do it there. The producer was like, Because now all of us are already on overtime crew-wide. The crew were like, Sorry, we'll do it. We don't mind. But legally, you'll have to pay 2X more. They're like, All right, we go to the studio.

They let us in. We set up, He's like, Wait, we need to do the thing. Same deal. We arrive. He's still an hour late because he's doing another session or something. Comes inside, does his thing, leaves, and they're like, Wait, we need to film this thing from you, too. He's like, Someone else take care of that. So he leaves, the manager's like, Yeah, you need this?

I think being late or not showing up on time is my largest pet peeve. I don't know what it is, but every single Rapper is always late, dude. They will never show up to their set on time. I don't know what it is. If I'm only a lot of an hour, I'm trying to win the crowd over, right? So I want to make them happy. So I'm just going to be all the time.

I'll tell you, that artist does come from the hip hop genre. That's what I'll say.

Yeah, I feel like rappers also stay up in the studio so late for no reason. They're just like... I don't know. Whenever I worked with rap producers, they're just like, Yeah, why not 12:00 to 5:00 AM? I'm like, Guys, what are we doing here? But I guess each to their own.

You pay hourly for studio time, right?

I mean, a lot of the time now, most of my friends have really nice studios, so it's just like, at least I don't have to pay hourly, but sometimes a producer will come into town, and they'll be like, Oh, we really want to work with Baby No Money. I'll do a session, I'll pay for the studio. Usually, it's a miss because fresh studios are never that comfortable. But yeah, it's like $500 typically for a session.

I'm not going to say what we did in the studio, but we have a new singer here.

Really?

You guys hear Schlatz's song, the new one that he put out today?

No.

The Christmas one?

Bro, he's crazy. He should make real music. He would be like, real, not just covers. He would be really popular.

Have you heard Thick of It by KSI?

Yeah, that shit rocks. I'm a big fan of that song. That song is so funny, man. He was getting cooked online.

Yeah, I thought his part was better than... Because he had a... Trippy Red. I actually liked his part more.

How does it go? I'm a king.

I'm in the thick of it. Everybody knows. Then he has that from the king to the ring to the 10. But I don't think it was as bad as everyone was racking him for it, but I think because it's KSI and he's doing the whole like lunch with stuff and he's beefing with people, it's pretty easy to meme on it. But it's an iconic YouTuber Have you rated YouTuber songs before?

I feel like I've done that three times with Ms. Every time I go back, he's just like, Yo, we should do it again.

The same thing?

The same thing. I'm like, Man, haven't we done that? He's like, Yeah, but it goes off every time. I'm like, All right, whatever, dude. I've definitely rated a lot of... I did it with Jack Manifold. I did it with crispy Concords. I've done it so many times. It's usually the exact same songs.

Where's thick of it?

See, that song is actually totally fine. There's a way worse song. I think it's just... Have you guys had Lunchly yet? No. I don't want to try it just for the memes. But Everything like Logan Paul KSI and Mr. Beast, it's like, they're so famous that it's like, why wouldn't you just rag on them thing? But looking at it as a song as a whole, the music video, I'm From a king to the... It's like, yeah. I think he was playing into it from trying to make it cringe. I'm sure he didn't need to say that, but he did. All things considered, the song is totally fine. I think the music video is what makes it fried. It's so overdone. It's like, bro, why do you spend a million dollars on this music video?

He's like a stock market broker throwing cash around and just sitting on the throne with this check making an eye sculpture of him. It's a little... It feeds the ego a little.

I saw a TikTokeer do one of those From the King to the Ring, that thing, and it fit too perfectly.

Wait, it was that Natalie Girl, right?

I don't know who was.

I remember seeing that video, then he reacted to it, and then she posted, and I was like, I'm fucking social media, man.

It's funny how anyone's accessible in a way now. It's crazy. Someone could post something and then they reply back. It's crazy.

I think being an artist in this day and age is the most democratic it's ever been. You could make a song. He said he just made a song.

Yeah. Well, each of us from offline TV, not sure when it's going to come up, but we went into a studio. I'm not sure. That was my first studio, but it felt like a low budget studio. I'm going to be on. Where was it? It felt like a rent room studio.

I mean, sometimes you get those. Can you play this on? Pretty cheap.

No.

No, they literally recorded it yesterday. It's like we don't have...

I'm so curious. I would love to hear this shit. Did you make one?

Not on this album, no. I mean, I released my own music, but no, I wasn't part of this.

But we are going to... I don't know when this comes out, but we're going to Korea to do something music related with K-pop.

Very dope.

Yeah. Maybe it'll kick off some music careers for some of us. Yeah.

Did they get the New Jeans collab and the BTS collab.

No, we're not New Jeans status. But I just saw... Do you know Jason DeWing?

Yeah. He's like this. He was out there with New Jeans.

Yeah, New Jeans, which is crazy.

Well, he's the one who blew the song up, right?

Yeah, more recently in... Because there are some kids that don't know about K-pop, and I think his audience didn't know about K-pop too much. And yeah, he put them on ETA by New Jeans, who has been out for a couple of years. But I think it caught fire again with the younger crowd, especially in the streaming space, because he was playing it.

It's funny to hear you say, blew it up, because I think of the song as already so big. I would say maybe he revived it.

Yeah, it was big and it was chilling, chilling, chilling. And then I was like, Oh, that's the song from that clip.

Yeah. From my understanding, he created this trend, I don't even think he did it on purpose, but he was celebrating having 100,000 subscribers.

The song that was playing when they hit 100,000 was ETA by New Jeans. On stream, all of his buddies are pushing him around, and then they all sing it together.

But then I think that transition into TikTok would be a normal trend.

Yeah, it became a trend, and then New Jeans did the trend.

So far. Social media, it's a blessing, and it's also a curse. It's the nature of things, because when that happens, everyone around you, living vicariously, is like, Oh, I want to do that, too. I need this. I need to keep on doing this, keep on doing that. And it's just like, you turn your phone. I went to Hawaii recently, and you turn your phone off for three days. All that exists is this, like real body. It's so interesting that we are able to do what we do and it doesn't exist.

I definitely feel those moments where I'm away from my phone for seven days because I'm with family traveling. And the whole time, I'm feeling so much anxiety of not being connected to the Internet. And then seven days later, I get my phone back. And you just realize Nothing really happened. The same stuff is still happening. The same conversations are still happening. But that seven days where you're not connected, it feels like the world, something big might happen. You're going to miss out, and you're going to not be part of some movement. But you can't realize, oh, it's just the same thing day in, day out. You're not really missing out anything.

When do you foresee your guys' selves just exiting? Do you have an action strategy Well, I'm semi-retired from streaming.

I stream once a week just because... Streaming, to me, it's like you're grinding. You got to be a grinder. You got to be on your shit with collabs and reaching out to people. I've I just am slowly phasing out the streaming aspect of my life and just playing Pokémon cards. I'm trying to find a hobby to take up my time.

Yeah, hobbies don't really come that easy, to be honest. I've been trying to work on hobbies, too. I've been working out, going on for walks, been reading. Fuck, man.

You're looking for hobbies.

Yeah, it's a normal people hobbies. A lot of my friends, they do trading cards and play magic and shit that. But I'm terrible with magic.

Are you looking for a hobby?

I mean, yeah. I used to fix gear cycle, cycle all the time. I mean, I play video games occasionally. I have a steam deck, so it's dope. I'll play Diablo 2 on it when I'm on the plane. But other than that, it's really hard to take time off because it's like, the more I do, the more I get out of it. But I'm taking Sundays and Mondays off now for the rest of my life. It's fucking sick. Taking two full days off where my team kicks me out of my group chats. It's sick. I don't hear shit from anyone. It's nice.

I'm curious what your work... It sounds like your Wicked Life balance is good.

It's gotten dramatically better in the past year and a half, I would say, to the point because I hit burnout for so long. I was just like, mawing at my burnout. My brain just fried, sorry. I was just chewing at the block, basically, for five or six years. I remember in university, when I was graduating, I was working 12-hour days, no matter what, just to make sure I could spend enough time figuring out what to do with music. Then, la la la happened, and it just didn't stop. Covid, I was just working on things constantly, just burning myself out where I was like, I didn't… Because if I don't put a song out, nothing really happens in my career because the only thing that matters is I'm an artist, right? I put the music out, and then people either like it or don't, or then I move on or I market it. That's just the nature of being an artist. I don't really partake in causing a ruckus, breaking shit, getting arrested, which are really good routes of becoming more popular. I just... I don't give a fuck about that. If I were to post a photo of me getting arrested by taking a shit in a toilet store, and it was a video of me taking shit, it would go viral for sure.

I know that would make my career more successful because it's absurdism. Then I, boom, I get arrested. People are going to be like, Get them out. Free baby, no money. It's just a route that you could easily take, but it's like, Take it easy. You don't need to do that. I'm probably going to have kids eventually, so I don't want my kids to be... Actually, no, my kids would be like, damn, my dad's hard as fuck. He took his shit in a toilet store. But yeah, I went off on a tangent there. But basically, I don't really know what I was talking about.

Well, we were talking work-life balance, but I like the tangent you went of just real-life stunts in a way. Absurdist, almost performance art things just to get eyeballs. As a streamer, you never think like that, right? It's always like, what's going to happen on stream, on camera? It's not like the outside world stuff.

Yeah, it's very much on camera. Streamers think they call it clip farming now, which is If you said baiting or acting or setting up an absurd scenario to get clips to go viral, which is a very effective way to grow nowadays, but nothing in real life. But I'm sure if a streamer had the opportunity, they would probably want to go for it because no press is bad press for streamers.

Yeah, totally. I feel like something I've always wanted to do or something I did was I said Gen Z I'm like, Hey, M&M on It Boy. I just faked DM's from M&M. Obviously went crazy. You know what I mean? But I heard through the Grapevine that his team heard it. I'm like, That's fucking sick. M&m my song.

Or when I was a kid, middle school, high school, I started my way into film stuff by working in Photoshop, After Effects. I would create a lot of forged things or fake images of me in Switzerland on a mountain and stuff like that, and I would just post it. That was just for my immediate audience in the social circle. Some would think it's real, some would think it's fake and laugh. But then as I started getting a following, I realized I can't do that anymore. People believe it. But hearing you say that, I'm like, Wait, I should start doing it again. It sounds like it's...

It's who gives a fuck? I've also posted basically nude photos of myself just willingly in front of a Minecraft background. I don't really care the perception of who I am online, whereas I won't really talk about my family online because it's I am Baby No Money, but Baby No Money is just Alex on crack. It's just like, Whatever we can do to make it work, let's fucking do it. And that's something that my videographer, where we make great music videos, but something he's always told me, just like, Dude, who gives a shit? None of this fucking matters. I'm like, yeah, you're right. And like, yeah, I've said dumb shit before. But it's just like, have fun. Because it's also like, why? If someone thinks that M&M actually DMed me. And, bro, the comments are like, There's no way M&M actually DMed you. That's fucking cringe. He's so fucking cringe. And it's like, dude, once you start reading comments, you start failing reality. That's when you die. But, yeah, everyone online is just a fucking idiot anyway. It's like someone sent me... Okay, so yeah, this is the issue. Someone sent me a headline today saying, TikTok is banned in Canada.

And he's like, Dude, TikTok is banned in Canada. What are you going to do? I was like, I clicked it. And the first thing is, the headline is, TikTok is banned in Canada. The first sentence is, It's not banned in Canada. I'm like, Dude, just read. No one reads anything. They just read the news article name. It's always contradictory to the actual information in the premise or in the body. If you can hook people, why not?

My favorite TikToks you do is the one where the text is, Reacting to a song that made me famous. You listening to La La and just with a deadpan face. And he has 10 of these. It's the exact same thing.

Probably more than 10, bro.

The comments are always the same. Everyone trying to psychoanalyze. What does this mean? Does he hate it? Does he regret it? Is he appreciative? It's just essays after essays on the same thing across multiple TikToks of the same thing. I think those are some of your best performing TikToks. Oh, yeah.

By miles. By miles. Not even close. One of the videos has four 2.5.

Million likes, and it's just, Please take me back five years so I can unwrite this song.

It's like, man, I'm so happy. I've found a pocket that occasionally works of just low It makes my heart so easy.

I'm assuming you do this all yourself, right?

Yeah, pretty much. I have a team that I'm like, Yo, is the lighting good? And they're like, Post it, dude. I'm like, All right. I'll post it. But yeah, most of it is me.

I got a question for you. This is semi-related. But you mentioned earlier, you would probably have kids at some point. What are your dad policies with drinking drugs, anything like I feel like all the people that I've ever met who have had strict parents, I've always revolted.

I feel like it's just like they're way more edgy. They just want to if it's too strict or it affects them so much. Whereas some of the kids that I grew up with that parents are like, Yeah, I'll go buy you some alcohol. They're just the chillest people. They don't really have any crazy manurisms or addictions or lean more towards wanting to party. But at the same time, I'm probably not going to let my kid touch a phone for as long as I possibly can. Or maybe I'll just give him a Motorola Razor phone. Just be like, Tell me if you need me. But yeah, I don't really have anything yet. I haven't really thought about it in that much detail. But I might homeschool my kids, which would be dope. Just be a stay at home dad, make food for them, and just chill with them. It sounds so sick. I believe video games is my kids. Eventually, not too early. But I don't know. What about you guys?

I think the struggle is going to come from... Because you want them to eat healthy, so you don't buy them at McDonald's. You don't want them spending all the time on YouTube, so you don't get them iPads. But then they go to school and they go hang out with other kids. Their mom gets them Happy Meal. They're super stoked. They come home, it's like, Oh, wow, I want Happy Meal. Why don't I have an iPad? Why I have an iPhone.

You're supposed to be unhappy, son. Yeah.

It's like, Well, how do you tell them without them resenting? It's like, well, he has an iPhone. Well, he gets to eat Doritos and pizza, and we have to eat Whole Foods. This sucks. But then if you keep it from them, are they going to resent you?

But Papa Toast, when we go to Baby No Money's house, we have all the McDonald's we want. Why are you keeping it from us?

You walk into my house, I'm shooting burgers out of my house with guns, and you're like, God damn it, he's so cool.

I don't know. I think raising a child is a really hard thing to do because I feel like you're sometimes just coin-flipping how they turn out. You can try your best.

Well, yeah. I mean, everyone's going to make mistakes, right? My sister's a psychologist, really smart person, has a kid, and is under a ton of stress. She's doing her practice right now with a PhD, and husband works as a brew master. But they have so many stressors in their life. My nephew, he's a little bit of a crazy boy, but he's a great guy. But he just turned three. But it is interesting. It's like someone who probably knows everything textbook, my sister, especially when it's to do with raising kids or the psychology of how the developmental phase is so affected when you're younger as a child and stuff like that. But she's like, I make mistakes. I yell at him. And it's the unfortunate reality. Sometimes I can't keep it in. I'm a human. He's a human. But sometimes it's like, What are we supposed to do? We can't be perfect. No matter what, they'll end up how they're supposed to end up.

Are you going to have kids, Brogan?

Like to someday, yeah.

That's boggers.

That's boggers, yeah. Put a W in the chat.

Do you see yourself as a stay at home, spend a lot of time with them or even with the wife?

I could see two directions. I joke about this, but I like this vision of having 13 children, each one of them specialized in a different part of humanity. One go lives and becomes a Ninja. One becomes a doctor. One becomes a lawyer. One becomes an environmentalist. From birth, their destiny is set for them, and then they go out and do that path and succeed or fail.

I really love how you started with Ninja, and then you went to Doctor and Lawyer.

The Ninja is really important.

Yes, super important.

Your poor wife. She's going to pop off. She's on board. She's on board. She's got to be on board. She's on board, yeah. She's going to pop 13 kids out.

That's crazy.

Or another idea is like... You could adopt. Yeah, I could adopt, but I could have 13 children, and I give some crazy puzzle. Once they're all of age, once the youngest one is 13 or something, I drop a puzzle down and disappear from the world, and they have to band together to find me, that thing.

Bro, just raise your kids, man. Just raise your children. What are you doing? This is not a YouTube video experiment for you.

This is a life-changing moment for them.

This is a very important YouTube video. They're going to write books about this. It's a 14-year long YouTube video. Please, CPM, run it up. I need ads.

Yeah, watch the thumbnail.

It's just all the kids being like... Would you guys adopt?

I would, mainly to skip the baby phase. Because I will change the diaper. I just don't want to. And waking up at 4:00 AM to feed them.It's all part of a beautiful process.Speed run. Speed run, just like four-year-old, five-year-old. Adopt, probably grateful because they've been in an orphanage. They'll be nicer than your average baby. Yeah, skip all the hard part.

I want to be there for the whole…

Yeah, I feel like the baby face… I remember my sister broke her arm during Christmas, Leo was a year… Holy shit. I was like, he couldn't really take care of him that well because her arm was fully broken. I came back after tour, and I was just trying to play WoW, and he would wake me up at four in the morning. I was like, Holy shit. I just couldn't even play wow. I was like, damn, this is a real job. I can't play wow, so I got to take care of Leo. But yeah, it's full-time. I can't wait to just not work, just clean his shit, clean her shit.

It's also like such a... It affects their development so much that I would want to be there for every second of that. Obviously, you can't control it and make it perfect, but guide what I can, shape what I can.

But it's also interesting because if you're there too much, they'll have attachment issues. It's like, Bro, you can't do anything right.

There's no winning.

I've read a parenting book this year called Good Insight. It's a super cool book. But I remember my mom was getting at Leo for something. I'm like, Mom, relax. Who fucking cares? I went up to him and I was like, I know my mom is crazy. Then he immediately got happy and I was like, I love you, Mom. But he immediately got happy and it was like, Oh, he's relating to me, even though he doesn't understand that I'm just crying because I'm not being heard or seen. Dude, that's crazy. You read a book, you're like, Baby, speak.Wow.Yeah. I'm the baby whisper. That does not sound good.

I mean, it's in your name, Baby No Money.

Yeah, it makes sense.

Which is something a lot of people... I had to learn, is not Bebe No Money.

Oh, yeah. I called you Bebe for a while.

How do you feel when that happened?

I mean, it's better than Babinos or like, Baba Nos. I like it all the time.Baba Nos?Baba Nos. Yeah. I remember this one time, some guy came up to me. He was like, Dude, your show is sick, man. I'm like, Great, man. Thanks. He's like, What's your favorite song? He's like, Oh, the song, you're The song with... But he came out to me. He was like, Hey, what's up, Booba Nose? I'm like, Dude, this is my fucking show. Why did you pay money to come here? He was like, Yeah, the song with you and Gravy, man, Booba Nose. I'm like, Have you even listened to my music? All the long as I say my name in it, too. It is interesting. It's like, If you know, you know, thing, which is a token of gratitude. But yeah, people get it wrong.

We didn't say this at the beginning, but we I met at Cutie Cindy's Master Baker. Yeah, that shit was fun. That was my first question. Baby or baby? What is baby? Great.

I mean, baby works, too.

I mean, that is how it's written, right?

Yeah, it's Bibi. I think the reason why people say it is because ASAP, Rocky. So it's like, Oh, if his dollar sign is the same as his dollar sign, it's obvious as S.

Bibi Noss.

Yeah, Bibi Noss. Bibi Nass. Even my dad calls me Bibi Noss still. I'm like, Dad.

This is Keisha. Yeah, Keisha, too.

Oh, yeah.

Keisha's though. I just make a song with Keisha. That'd be funny.

So when you collab, who's reaching out? Is it you two artists? Is it manager to manager, label to label?

Sometimes it's artist to artist, but I'm really, if you know, you know. I don't think I get very many musical cosines. Sometimes labels will reach out, and it'll be very informal. Or very formal. It'll be like, Hey, this artist wants you to collaborate on the song. Here's this fee. Then you just basically fake a friendship, and you're like, Hey, yeah, we made a dope music video. It's really fun. If you don't really vibe with them, then it's just pain. But most of the time, I just don't like working with musicians because they're way too particular, and it just makes it way more complicated. There's 17 contracts you have to and get your lawyers to do this. And then usually, they never pay you, so you have to audit them. It's just fucking...

I'm always curious, who gets the final say? Let's say Baby No Money is doing a feature with Keisha. Is Keisha, since she's the main artist, is she the one who's approving?

It really depends on… If it's a song that we're both collaborating on, it's very much so a collaboration, then We will go back and forth. We'll probably split it down the middle. Whereas if, let's say, I got you guys to say Pee Pee and Poopoo on one of my songs, I'll be like, Okay, well, this is my song, but I'll give you guys 1% of it because you guys both said Pee Pee and Poopoo. So then it would be my say. But basically, once you get to a point of 51%, you have jurisdiction over it. But a lot of the time, too, I've also had songs that I've released that I've given up more percentage than my own. I did this song with NoNo, one of the dudes in China, High Brothers. It was a complicated complication. I fired my manager at one time, and then I really wanted the song out, and he wanted the song out, too. I was like, Hey, fuck it, bro. Just take the whole song. I don't care. There was some weird complication with his distribution. I ended up giving him my portion because I was like, It doesn't even matter.

I just want the song out because I don't want to piss him off. So there was Other times, back in the day, I would just find a beat online, upload it, and just not pay the producer. I was like, Fuck it. It cares. You do things you aren't the most proud of, but then they reach out. They're like, Hey, yo, give me money. And then I'm like, Hey, here's 50% of the song and the earnings. But you fix it afterwards. But sometimes early on, it's just like, Why would you sign a contract? Why would I go out of my way to pay a lawyer for $400 on a song that'll make me $100? Video, it's like, you just take risks.

Because there's something, I feel like a while back, it circulated of the cost of certain rappers' features. I'm curious how that works. It sounds so detached to be like, Hey, can you feature on this? He was like, Yeah, give me $75,000 and I'll give you a feature.

Yeah, that's pretty much it. If I were to have... Okay, if I were to have... I remember we almost got Da Baby on La La La, but then we ended up going for Carly Ray Jepsen and Enrique by Inglasius, which Da Baby was the hottest thing at the time, and I totally told Y2K, I was like, We should definitely do Da Baby. And he was like, No, let's make it a meme. I was like, All right. Cool. It's cool that we had Carly Ray Jefferson. It's fucking funny. But it is cool. Sometimes, you can hit it at the park. At any given moment, one of my producer friends could be sitting in a room and play a song for a K-pop group we have put out, and they're like, Hey, we want to cut this. Then I was like, Yeah, take it. If I'm going to make more money, it... And if it's not out, I don't want to put it out anyway, and I'll make more money. I'll make money off a song that I just wrote. That's always a good time. Sometimes that happens, but pretty irregularly.

When I started making music, I worked on a song that never got released, but basically, we got in contact with this also independent rapper, and he was like, Hey, I'll do a feature. I'll wrap something. Just give me this amount of time. I'm like, Okay, sick. He sends it in and we're like, Oh, this is pretty cool. Yeah. But then we look him up and we realize it's the exact same words from another feature he did. He's just doing the same one, and he performed it differently. He did a fresh recording for us, but it's like, That one didn't hit. All right, I'll just reuse it on this song. That doesn't happen, right? That It's just a weird independent, independent artist type thing.

I mean, there's this weird black market of verses that... I don't know how to explain it. I guess just generation relational rappers, Snoop Dogg, Waka Flocka, just would go to a studio, let's say in Romania, when they do a festival and they get dated as shit and they just record a verse and they totally forget about it because You just smoke that much weed. You're just deleting your months. I remember one time, I ended up just getting a fully paid for, fully executed contract of a Snoop Dogg verse, and I made it into a song, but it didn't end up coming out. But I literally have Snoop Dogg on one of my private songs. I also have Logan Paul on a song. Wow. Yeah, that shit was sick. I didn't end up putting it out. Lunchly. I Nothing against him. He's always been really nice to me. But it was weird because he sent this verse in. It was right in the heat of quarantine, and it was decent. I was like, Fuck. I wanted it to be either really good or really bad. I was like, I don't know if I should put this out.

It's just fine. It didn't make any sense. But yeah, I wish I put it out. It would have been fucking hilarious.

If you're sitting on it, can't you just put Well, I'll see you later. Why?

I put the song out.Oh, just not with him.Just not with him, yeah. Got you. Which I also felt really bad for. Because dude, he gave it to me in a day. I was like, You want to jump on the song? He's like, Yeah, that shit's hard. And they sent it the next day.

I was like, What the fuck? I know a lot of people wonder, but how do musicians make money? You just have a song, you release it, and people play it on Spotify. Do you get the more money the more people listen to it? Is it a one-time flat fee? Because people ask streamers, How do streamers make money? While there's sponsorship, there's ads, there's subscribers, there's campaigns, and there's six different things. But with a musician, it's like, You got your song. If it's a single, it doesn't matter. If it's part of an album, what really matters?

Separate of just music, I can do sponsorships. I can do… That's probably the only thing that I can't, I can really do that's outside of music and touring. That Yeah. It's like sponsorship. Would be the only other thing that makes sense. Or brand deals, but it sounds like a sponsorship still. Like appearances. That's under the shows. Then you have shows and music. Music is split up between publishing money and master money. The master is like, I actually own the composition of the song, so I can sell the song to a person who would buy it for 12 times the amount of money that it might make over a year. On the publishing side, it's like what songwriters do. So songwriters will come into a session and just say a lyrics or say an idea, and basically, you get cut in on the publishing, but you don't get cut in on the master. The master is like, I own this. I own this. This is mine. But it's like, who made it? The person who makes it gets a dollar from it. Whereas this is $20, put the person who made it, designed it, gets a dollar.

That's what publishing is. Then there's radio play, which is PRO money, so it's like performance royalties. Then if I play my songs on stages, all festivals and all... The government basically has mandated regulation where live performance venues have to put money aside for these organizations that collect money from performing these songs. Dude, there's so many fucking avenues. It's ridiculous. Then you have radio play. Every stream on radio, you get paid. There's something called mechanical royalties on Spotify and all the other DSPs, YouTube, everything. But yeah, there are numerous ways to make money.

Well, I feel like we've covered everything. We've talked babies, drugs, parenting, music.

Babies, drugs, parenting, music, and Pokémon cards, and gaming. Yeah, I mean, fair.

Yeah. Baby, no money.

Well, thanks for having me on, guys. I appreciate it.

Yeah, thanks for coming.

Where are we going for food?

I am starting. Well, Ronan I'm going to say you mentioned Sun Undung.

Dude, this shit is so good.

I'm not saying that. We probably can't go to San Andang. We have two San Andang haters. Two?

Who's the second one?

Okay, maybe one. Well, I mean, I just eat it a lot. Yeah. But we have one San Andang hater. But Korean barbecue.

I'm down. Anything works, though. There's a lot of good restaurants in the area that we are in.

This is true.

That's what I'm saying. There actually are. There actually are.

I had a whole discussion with Scar yesterday because Alex is coming, where are we taking him? He's like, We got to take him to Bestia, which is all the way down to-No, it's all the way.

Bestia is good. Bestia is good, though. It is good.

I'm like, Oh, look, we're in a pretty nice place. It's a nice place. We're not here. We don't have guests often.

Why don't we just order something? This place is beautiful.

Hey, you're the guest. We should go out. I would prefer that, for the record. But I think everyone has a fight. He would love that. Alex doesn't come over often. Let's go to a nice place to eat. I think that's what we're probably going to do.

Yeah, easy. Well, thanks for having me on, guys. I appreciate.