Transcript of September Bonus Episode: Unknown Number: The High School Catfish

Hey, weirdos. I'm Ash.

And I'm Elaina.

And this is a bonus episode.

It's a bonus episode. It's a bonus episode.

And that is our new intro. Yeah, I was saying, let's not. We're going to workshop it.

Yeah, we're going to think of something fun as an intro for bonus episodes.

You've probably heard it right now. Yeah, you already heard it, perhaps. Yeah, we need some good music, and hopefully you just heard some.

But if you didn't, or if you heard good music, but it's the same theme song as regular Morbid, then we're still thinking on it. So just bear with us.

We're working on it.

We're working on it.

All right, brothers. So today we are here to talk to you for our very first ever bonus episode on Series XM.

This is so exciting.

I just took one sip Actually, we had to pause for a second to make sure that the recording was working. So the intro and then now one sip of coffee. I'm a change bitch.

Yeah, the energy has shifted just in about five minutes.

I am Lorelai Gilmore. Yeah, actually, you are Loreley Gilmore. Yeah. And I'm Rory.

Yeah, but only sometimes. Yeah. Like, only in some ways.

Pretty much only when we have coffee, coffee, coffee. Exactly. So we're going to be talking today about Unkown Number, the high school catfish. Honey. Okay, wait. Before you say anything else, there are going to be spoilers. If you don't want to be spoiled, go watch it now and then listen, my brother in Christ.

If you listen to it first, you will be spoiled, and that won't be our fault.

It's not my fault if past this point, you get a motherfucking spoiler.

Because we are going to talk about it, and we are going to talk about all of it.

All right. So let's get into it.

Let's do this. We're going to do it so we don't reveal the twist until...

Until the twist is revealed. Exactly. Okay. So we're in Beale City, Michigan. It's like central Michigan. It's a super tiny town. It seems like everybody knows everybody. It also seems like people are like a lifelong residence. We watched the documentary, and then we also found a Cut article written by Lauren Smiley that gave a little more information. She was saying, even a lot of these parents are lifelong residents of feel. And if you're not a lifelong resident, you do feel somewhat of an outsider.

That makes sense. And isn't it like the school is like preschooled to 12th grade? Yeah. All in the same building. Yes. Which to... It's my opinion. It's my opinion. That's wily to me. That is horrifying to me. Bunkers. Yeah. I can't imagine my kindergarten in the same school as a 12th grader.

That's just not for me. But I guess each class of kids is 60 kids. So they can all just fit in one building, which is nuts.

No, it makes sense for what it is.

Yeah, but I completely agree with you. No, it is scary. So we start off the film and we started off with a threat. It says all the text with a literal code 10 threat code red. All the text in this film are real, it says.

And I said, and you'll find out why that's a threat. Very shortly.

So we're introduced to Lauren and Owen. They started dating when they were 12. And I think they were probably around seventh grade. And it's funny because when I was reading the Cut article, it turned out Owen's parents also started dating in seventh grade. That's crazy. Yeah. So their families ended up becoming good friends, especially their mom's, Jill and Kendra. Jill is Owen's mom and Kendra's Lauren's mom. So they like... It all seemed really cute.

Yeah. You know? Cute small community. Yeah. Everyone supports each other. Exactly.

So October 2020 rolls around, and this girl, Chloe Wilson's family, always has this big Halloween party.

Sounds pretty sick.

It sounds like a sick-ass Halloween party.

It's like a haunted fucking corn maze or some shit.

Yeah, it's moderately exclusive, evidently. Lauren was not invited, but Owen was. So Owen ends up inviting Lauren because they're together. Oh, okay. So right around this time, Lauren gets a text telling her that Owen doesn't like her. He likes whoever this unknown texter is, and they are both DTF.

Down to fuck.

Down to fuck. I was going to say for my homies out there who don't know what DTF is, down to fuck.

I only know what it is because- Awkward. No, not even that. I didn't even realize that was in there. I only know it on Southern Charm, Shep said it about somebody and then immediately regret it because that person was like, go fuck yourself. And I thought it was funny.

I don't even remember who that is.

It was Bayly. Oh. I remember he was like, because that was shitty to say. Yeah, it is shitty to say. Because he said it in a jokey way and she was like, you're an asshole.

Yeah. And she was like, actually, I don't want to fuck you. She was a queen.

She was a queen.

I think she was the one that got away.

I think she was, too.

Be a better person.

Be better. Can we clarify, too? This whole text comes through that's like, DTF, motherfucker. These are like 13-year-olds.

Not even yet. They're twelve. They're 12. Nobody's DTF at 12. Nobody should be saying DTF at 12. I find a text in my kid's phone someday that says an acronym that I have to Google. Shore at that point. And it's anything like DTF. It's going down for real. Lockdown. Lockdown in the home.

All of a sudden it's like... It's like a purge. Let the bodies hit the floor. Starts playing.

I'm like, Well, you live here forever now. Honestly, valid. So the techs come in like that and they're pretty shitty. Then they stop for a year. They literally stop for an entire year. And then all of a sudden, almost 365 days later, they start up again. And they start up and they go every single fucking day, multiple times a day, essentially sun up to sundown. Oh, yeah.

And they said that the night time text because it wasn't even sun up to sundown. It was like through the night.

Past sundown.

Oh, yeah. Because they said the night ones would get particularly nasty, which is interesting. Yeah. It's very interesting when you find out What's going on here?

Yeah, definitely. So some of the text, and these texts are being sent to Lauren and Owen at this point, both of them, mostly to Lauren, though. Some of them said, effing trash bitch. Don't wear effing leggings. No one wants to see your anorexic ass.

Like that?

So upsetting.

The anorexic thing is such a thing that gets... It's such a weird insult. It is a weird insult. And it's common. You know what's so wild? That's a common insult. That's so wild. I used to hear that all the time in middle school.

Oh, I've been on both ends of that spectrum because I was a lot tinier when I was in middle school and I got anorexic then, and then I got like, obese bitch when I was in high school. I was like, Awesome.

Why are Are we commenting? First of all, because it's like, they're all assuming that this is, especially because this is somebody saying, Owen is down to fuck them, that this is a girl. Yeah. And it's like, why are we commenting as women and girls on other girls and other women's bodies. Can we stop doing that?

Because also, growing up, I remember being nine years old and becoming aware of my body and becoming aware that I didn't like it.

And you absolutely should never be aware of that. It shouldn't even be a thought in your mind.

But that's the thing. Like, young girls so early learn to be their biggest critics. And then they grow up almost immediately becoming critiques of each other. Yeah.

Because they, and you have to be so... I don't allow anybody to talk about weight or bodies in that way around my kids.

Because there are so many different reasons why bodies look the way they look, and one is not better than the other for any reason.

It's just not something you're healthy and your doctor's not concerned. Exactly. You look great. That's the thing. I'm like, you go to your yearly physical. They say that you're healthy. They say, thumbs up. And that's all that matters. You don't need to hear anything else about what's going on.

I totally agree with that. And that's something I'm going to adopt when I have kids. It's no weight talk. Yeah.

I don't want any weight talk around them. And it's like, so for like, let me call it like Anna because like, like girls, especially at her age, like seventh grade and shit. Yeah. Like twelve years old. You're like, every kid is like, gangly at some point. Oh my God. Their body is just growing into itself. You know what I mean? Or they're holding on to extra baby weight. And their body is trying to grow out of that. Like, everybody's in that weird in between area where you're either like, weirdly gangly and like, doodly and like nothing makes sense. And you're just this skeleton with a little bit of flesh on it. Or you're just trying to figure it out and your body's not growing fast enough to catch up with the baby weight you had on. Yeah, exactly. Everybody's so different at that time. And it's all It's all weird.

I feel like sixth, seventh, and eighth grade especially are so hard for that reason. Yes, it's so hard. For that reason. And obviously, so many other reasons. Because one thing that they, I forget who said it in the article. I think the principal said it eventually. Eventually, that this is the age where you start to break off from your parents, too, and you really get involved in your friend group and you break away. Yeah.

It's like an inside out. Her family island gets smaller and her friend island gets bigger and hides the family island.

And it does because it's like this age where you're trying to navigate all of this and people saying everything about you and you starting to self-criticize. And you're also at the same time taking away your own support system. It's a weird time. Unknowingly.

Exactly. Like, pushing away your own support system. Right.

So beyond that awful text message, there was worse ones even. You are worthless and mean nothing. You never have. Get a fucking life out of here. Owen will never look at you again or talk to you. You fucked up his life so bad. His family fucking hates you for it. He will never in his life acknowledge you again. Get the fuck lost, bitch. He's fucking done with you.

That is so unhinged.

You No matter what. You don't mean anything. You're worthless. Get a life. His family hates you. Like, even making her doubt her her support system beyond her own family.

That's diabolical for a a kid to write to another kid, like a peer. Yeah. It's diabolical.

Well, and then I should mention, too. So like saying his family fucking hates you. So like his mom and dad were a big part of his life. But he also has a younger sister who was in the friend group, too. So Lauren's like, okay, does Macy hate me? Does everyone hate me? Does everyone hate me? Does Jill hate me? Does Dave hate me? Who hates me? And why do they hate me? Why have I fucked up his life?

And now she's wearing like that adults don't like her. Now it's like going beyond It's just like, what? What is going on? And also, what is this about? What the hell?

It's wild. So then the text start getting insanely sexual. Explicit messages. This is where I lost my mind. Explicit messages. When you want, I'm not going to say all of them because I'm not capable of saying some of the things that this person wrote. They're horrifying. The narrator in this was... It's not funny by any means, but the narrator was cracking me up because it's almost a robotic voice.

It's got Like a very... It's computer-esque. So it sounds like if you've ever seen, and again, the information being told is not funny. I'm saying the voice is funny. Agreed. If you've ever seen The Office, and there's an episode where Michael finds out that his computer can talk to text or text talk. Yeah, yeah. And he puts like, eyes on it, on the back of it, and like a mouth, and then has people come in the office and he just types things out. And he'll be like, it's just like, hello, Pam, you look particularly hot today.

' Yeah, that's what it felt like.

It's like that weird robotic voice that just makes it so unhinged.

And in the office, apparently, it's like, You look hot today. ' These text messages were talking about like, 'tits, B. J. 'S, 'creemen. ' Like, literally.

That's not even... That is verbatim.

I didn't want to say any of that, especially the ladder of that. No, I hate it. It makes me want to jump into traffic. It's too much.

It's all shit that if this is her peers, you're like, what the fuck? How is that coming out of a literal child's mouth? One, how do they know any of those words? You're too young. You're too young to know all those words. Like, what the fuck is going on? You're baby. It's like they're talking about like...

The literal sex acts.

Yeah, they're talking... They mention somebody's dick.

They mention like crazy. They mention insanely explicit things. You We'll see it if you watch it.

Yeah. When we get to where we're going to reveal who it is, we'll get further into how wild this is. Yeah.

It's very hard. One of them, just to like one of the actual verbatim ones, was he wants sex, B. J. Making out.

Making out.

And it's the way the narrator says it. He's like, and making out.

Yeah, he's like, and making out. I'm like, damn.

What the fuck? Once that started happening, because these are literal 12, 13-year-olds, maybe. I don't even think they're 14 at this point. The parents, including especially Jill and Kendra, because these are their kids being victimized, went to the school, and the superintendent ended up getting involved, and obviously, so did the principal. Now, basically what they did as a school, which it's interesting interesting because at one point, Kendra, Lauren's mom, was like, I didn't think they were doing enough. I was like, It sounds like they were doing a lot because what they did was they set up surveillance so that any time a text came in, they could look at the cameras and see who, what student was on their phone at that point in time.

Yeah, I thought it was pretty... Especially this is a, remember, a small community, and this is a small town. These are like, they don't have all these resources to do shit. And they were really doing grunt work, trying to invest Investigative work, trying to figure out who this could be.

Well, and when you think about all the things that I'm sure a school... I don't know all the things a school administrator has to do throughout the day.

I imagine it's a lot.

But I would assume it's a lot and to take the extra time to be able to do this.

Yeah, it sounds like they took it seriously, especially in the beginning.

I think so, yeah. So then people started to actually think that Lauren was sending the text to herself to get attention, which is really sad because she definitely wasn't. But after some sit-downs with the admin at school, ruled her out, and they also ruled Owen out. I'm not exactly sure how they did it, but they did something with the surveillance. Yeah. So you said something fucking hilarious at this point because I think the principal was like, There's a lot of kids in this school. You can't rule anyone out. And that's why we had to do the surveillance.

And I was like, and I stand by it. I feel like we can pretty confidently rule out the preschoolers.

Yeah, definitely the preschoolers. I think I was dying. She could feel good about Elaina goes, I don't know. I feel like we could probably rule the preschoolers.

I feel like they're not involved.

She was like, I don't know. Who am I to say?

I feel like I feel confident in that. That's just me. I feel like even the kindergarten, we can probably, you I'll rule them right out.

You get to first grade, you get to first grade and things get really wily now.

So I don't really know.

They have Apple watches and shit.

But preschool and kindergarten, I think we're safe. We've cut out a little portion of the community. I think so. Yeah.

And you know, less to watch.

It's true.

So once they cut out the kindergarteners and the preschoolers, they kept their eye on everyone else.

They did.

And at the same time, Jill and Kendra were getting together on their own a lot to talk about the text messages because Lauren's getting her own set, Owen's getting his own set. Then they're probably getting group messages. So they're comparing notes, basically.

And probably feeling like, thank goodness they have somebody they can go to and commiserate with. It's not just their kid that's going through it. Because I imagine if this was just happening to your child, you must feel so fucking isolated and alone. Absolutely. And just wanting help, figuring out what to do. So to have that, you don't want it to be happening to both your kids, but you have each other to try to figure this out with. At least you can have someone to lead on. Right.

So they went together to talk to the principal themselves once. They were like, Can you do more? And he was like, I really can't. I suggest you change their numbers, block the texter, something like.

Okay. When we were watching this because Ash had already watched it and then watched it with me for the first time, me watching it for the first time. I literally said, I was like, I knew who had done this, so I immediately checked my own question, basically. But I was like, Why aren't they just changing the numbers? Like, right. Like, shut down that line, get a new number, give them a new phone. Or, I mean, now, especially, little kids You can get them phones that are just- Numbers that you approve. Calling and texting numbers that you approve. People you approve and that you can approve all the apps and all that stuff. And it's like, maybe you have to do that for a little while. Just to see how it stops and see if you can figure out something via that. And while you're figuring it out, you hang on to those other phones so your kids don't let anybody know, except their close friends who has that new number. Smart. And then see if somebody infiltrates. Smart. Because if they're only telling their close friends who those numbers are and you're approving them, boom.

You're going to get them.

It's got to be one of the close friends.

And then you hold on to those other phones and you can start doing some investigation.

It could have worked.

I was a little confused why that didn't happen.

Well, so basically they said blocking the number didn't work because the texter was using one of those random number generators. I think it was Pinger.

Which should absolutely be outlawed.

Yeah. There's no reason to ever disguise your phone number.

Why does that exist?

No, no, no, no. So they couldn't block it because another text would just come in. Whoever was doing this had the number, and that's all they needed because they could just get phone number after phone number to continue texting. Yeah, just an endless supply. And they also said they didn't want to get their kids' new phones because they wanted to get to the bottom of who this was, which I do understand because, and Jill said it, Owen's mom, she was saying, this could have been somebody that we were letting into our lives because this community is so small. And obviously this person knew a lot about our kids, knew where they were at what time, what they were wearing sometimes. We didn't want to continue inviting somebody like that into our home. If we had gotten them new phones and that person didn't end up getting those numbers, we would never know who that was, and we would keep spending time with them.

Socializing with them. Yeah, and I totally get that.

I did understand that piece of it.

That's why the phones that will only approve the numbers would have worked.

It's true. Lauren and Owen, they're very far into this because I think ultimately this went on for, it was 20 months, right? Almost two years. It was almost two years. It was almost two years. So a good amount of the way into this all happening, Lauren and Owen started fighting with each other because this collar would be like, Oh, he wants me. He hung out with me. Me and him went to a hotel this weekend. His family likes me. So Lauren's going to Owen and being like, who are you?

Were you hanging out with this girl?

Right. Like, were you hanging out with this person? Which I totally get it. And Owen's like, no. But so they started fighting because of all the tension, and they ended up breaking up. And No one thought that maybe if they broke up, the messages would stop and Lauren would not be going through what she was going through anymore. He could end what he was going through. And then he said, maybe, try again someday. Which was so sweet because I'm like, you little beans.

I know.

You little 13-year-olds.

We really liked each other.

They did. They were so cute together. But the thing was, after they broke up, the messages got a million times worse.

Because now the bullies won. A million times worse. You never want to give them the prize.

So they started telling Lauren to kill herself.

This is where it just like- Multiple times a day texting her how worthless she was, how she should just kill herself because Owen didn't like her and didn't want to be with her anymore.

They wrote #bangbang, do it now.

Literally kill yourself now, bitch. Yup. #bangbang. Yup. In The worst part is, nobody can do anything. No. Because they can't figure out who this is. So this person's literally texting death threats, and they just get away with it.

Yup. And they're also... It seemed like they were stalking her at this point, too. Because like I said before, Whoever this was knew where they were at certain points in time. And then they knew how Lauren was doing in basketball games, and they were trying to tear her confidence down. And her dad said that she's an incredible athlete. I think she played basketball in either her softball or baseball, who knows what else. But she was really talented, a great athlete. And whoever this person was knew that, and they were trying to break that confidence. So if she didn't get a ton of points in a basketball game, they'd be like, Wow, how embarrassing. You suck. You suck. Kill yourself. Quit basketball.

And they knew how many points she would get. They knew specifically how many points. That one game, they said, two points. Ha ha, you suck.

So that is when Sheriff Mike Maine got involved. Everybody started getting very worried about the trauma surrounding all of this. I also think that I read in the The Cut article that Jill herself had read an article or saw news about somebody bringing a gun to school in another community. And she was like, what if all of this- They get pushed that far. Exactly. Pushes them that far. So that's when the Sheriff got involved.

Because they were also writing shit like, We're going to break you. We won't stop till we break you. It's like, what the fuck?

And also at that point, they're like, okay, is this a group of people?

And how do we That's the thing.

How do we figure out who this is all coming from? I also understand it was coming from multiple different numbers, too.

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Ie. Sheriff Mike Maine starts looking at this one particular girl, Chloe. Chloe, remember, she's the one who her family has the big Halloween party. She had somewhat of a reputation for being a bully at the school. Administrators seem to have talked to her a few times. Her parents got called in and there was just incidents. The reason she specifically got called in for this is because the texter said something about how they had the most points in the game. When they looked at the points on the scorecard, it was Chloe who had the most.

Kendra helped them out with that.

Kendra helped them out with that.

Lauren's mom because she's the scorekeeper.

At one point, she'd also been the girls' coach, basketball coach. Also, it was Chloe's Halloween party where this all started, and Lauren originally hadn't been invited and didn't want to go. So they felt like they had a hot lead here.

Well, and I think her and Owen were- Her and Owen were really good friends.

And they had crushes on each other.

So there was just a... I think there was just never a great relationship between Chloe and Lauren because of that lingering what's going on here.

That thing? Yeah. Basically, at this point in time, all roads were leading to Chloe Wilson. I do get why.

You get why they question.

They went down that road. Chloe's friends' moms were looking at their phones because they're like, Is this group of Chloe's friends Are they all doing this? Are they all doing it together? Parents were reaching out to other parents, to the school, to the coaches. Everyone is turning on everyone in Beale, Michigan at this point.

The parents are turning on each other. The kids are turning on each other.

All the girls on the basketball team are fighting. Parents were trying to get in to talk to the kids. But the principal and the superintendent are like, We can't have an angry mob of parents screaming the kids down. Yeah.

And Chloe's, these kids are getting interrogated by police at school All year.

Actual police officers. And the other thing was another reason why they were looking at Chloe is because the texter or texter were saying that they had connections to the cops, and that's why- The cops would protect them. They were never going to get caught. And Chloe's dad, as Sophie put it, was a police.

She was a police. He was a police officer. He was a police officer. Excuse me.

So things started looking even more like Chloe when her family took a trip to Florida and the area code of the texts that were coming in started coming from a Florida area code. She was wild. Now, on top of that, too, in the Cut article, Lauren, the author of the article, had written that a Snapchat account had even been made in Chloe's name. And Chloe was like, That's not my account, and I'm not sending those messages.

And showed that wasn't.

And she showed her dad and also was like, This is how easy it is to make an account and say it's me. So her parents believed her the whole time.

Of course.

But at that point, it also seemed like they didn't really have any other option to prove that it wasn't their daughter than to have her phone dubbed with the police, which that is such an... Obviously, it took a long road to get there. But I do feel for her.

Kudos to them for actually doing that, cooperating in that way.

Well, that's the thing. In that way. Kudos to them because that's such an invasion of privacy. That is everything on your phone, every picture, every text, every file. I don't know if it even goes into every website you've ever been to. Probably. It's everything you've ever done on your phone.

Yeah. And it's like, that's a lot. That's a lot. And especially if you... I mean, one of the main things you should be teaching your kid is that they have a right to privacy and that that privacy should be respected. Yeah. And that respect breeds because of privacy being respected. Exactly. And it's like, And now you're being like, I'm sorry, we don't have any other choice. We have to let strangers invade your privacy. Like, that sucks. It does.

Well, they dubbed Chloe's phone, and it proved that she wasn't doing anything at all.

So she had been literally- She had been framed. Like, framed for this.

And then somehow whoever was sending the text messages didn't realize that Chloe's phone had been dubbed and it proved that she wasn't doing anything because they kept trying to make it seem like they were Chloe even after the phone was dubbed. Wild. They would send all kinds of messages, basically like, they would send pictures of Owen and Chloe to mock Lauren and say like, oh, he's hanging out with us, not you. That thing.

Can you imagine how Chloe felt?

Yeah, she's like, I'm not doing this.

One, being railroaded for an entire year of her high school career and treated like a villain. And then two, she's sitting there going, Who the fuck is this person that's trying to frame me? Yeah. Like, that would be terrifying. I'd be like, Why are they doing this to me now?

It's like a pretty little liars episode.

Yeah, it's really scary. It is. That would freak me out.

Absolutely. So then around Christmas time, everybody ended up getting a text about Owen's phone case. And the picture his family realized had been taken at a Christmas family party where they only had family in their house and nobody else. So that's when they were like, okay, this has to be somebody in our family. That was in our house that day. That was in our house that So they started looking at Owen's cousin Adriana, who also went to school with everybody else.

Adriana broke my heart.

Adriana seemed like the sweetest bean.

I felt so awful.

She got... She was the next person, basically, to get railroaded. Yeah. Everyone thought that it could have been her and especially thought that it was maybe her because she and Chloe didn't really get along. She had felt before in the past like Chloe had bullied her. Chloe said she didn't bully her. It was like this whole back and forth thing. High school is awful for everybody involved. High school sucks ass. Yeah, I would never do it again.

Middle school and high school suck ass.

It's awful. So they pull her in and she's trying to prove to them that she didn't do anything. She ends up getting checked out. But then once her story checks out, she got a text from one of the random numbers asking her for help to terrorize Lauren and protect Owen. Like, get Lauren away from Owen, even though they were already broken up. Like, what the fuck? And Adriana starts freaking up because She's been cleared at this point, but now she's got a text from the number. So she started bawling her eyes out. And this poor girl has PTSD now. She said she'll pass a cop and she doesn't trust them anymore because she felt like she couldn't prove to them that she wasn't doing this.

Which is so... The far-reaching effects that this had on so many kids and so many families, especially because of how small and tight knit of a community this is. It would be It would do this damage even in a bigger community. Oh, yes.

It was just so much- It was just shattering it. It was so much easier because it was such a tight knit community. And now it also is starting to infiltrate people's family dynamics. Apparently, Kendra, Lauren's mom, and Lauren's father, Sean, were fighting all the time. Sean said the tension in the house was awful.

It was like Kendra saying she was handling it. Sean was saying, Obviously, you're not because it's still going on.

Lauren sobbing every not wanting to go to school because the texter would berate her about like, outfit she was wearing. She could never wear the right thing. Just awful. I can't imagine how she lived throughout this all.

That's awful. That was my bully's thing in middle school. If you're listening, hey, what's up? You remember. It was always what I... It was my clothing a lot of the time and my hair. And they would leave handwritten because it was like back in the Pioneer days. So they would leave- Free cell phones. They would leave like, handwritten notes in the bathroom, and then they would find them for me or direct me to them like they were helping me. And it would be this awful letter that was talking about how shitty I dress and my hair's gross and all that. So it's like that It's tail as old as time. Oh, yeah. Especially with, unfortunately, girl on girl bullying, is to do that shit because it's the stuff that's going to get you the most. Because every day you're going to wake up, you're going to put, you're going to rip through your closet. And do your absolute best. You're going to put on a hundred different outfits. And each time you're going to say, what are they going to say about this one? How are they going to make me feel like shit today about this one?

It's crazy.

It is. It's so sad. I don't understand. I just don't understand doing that to somebody else.

I don't understand. It's like I, yeah, I don't get it.

It's fucked up. So a year and a half has gone by at this point of them just, whoever this call or texter is just terrorizing everyone in this town, but specifically Lauren and Owen. And So Lauren's getting all these text messages telling her to kill herself, telling her all the things we've been talking about, just bullying her beyond belief.

This crazy sexually explicit shit, too.

And that's the thing I was just going to say. Exactly. And Owen is experiencing these text messages detailing graphic sex acts.

So graphic that the superintendent of the school literally says, he was like, I'm a grown ass man. And that shit was making me uncomfortable. If another adult said that to me. It is fucking crazy.

It's beyond. When Drew and I, Drew and I watched this together the first time I saw it, and we literally had to pause halfway through because it was so shocking. It was so uncomfortable. I was like, I need a second. Hold on.

And it's like, I don't think enough- Emphasis. Emphasis. And we'll talk about more of that later. But I don't think enough emphasis either in the documentary was put on how it was obviously traumatizing for Lauren what was being said to her. But what was being said to Owen. They weren't saying, you suck and everyone hates you, to Owen. They were literally sexually assaulting him via words. Absolutely. They were literally- A sexual harassing. They were literally sexual harassing. He was being sexually harassed as a child. And it's like, and the shit that was being said to him will fuck you up for a long time. That's going to stay with him. Oh, absolutely. And it's like, I don't think enough was put on that. Like, how uncomfortable he probably felt and how he Probably had some weird... Because that shit will make you feel shame for no reason.

Absolutely, it will.

I feel for him like that as well.

Going into how he fucking feel for this poor kid. So a year and a half into this, the sheriff got the FBI involved because the sheriff went as far as he could, he said, and the FBI needed to get involved to do the IP tracking and all that. But obviously, you don't just beep and boop on doing computer and figure that out in one day. It takes time. No. So while they were working on their investigation, Owen started dating this girl from another Another Town, and her mom started getting messages trying to break Owen and this girl up.

So whoever this called- This girl from another town's mom. Yeah.

And she was getting multiple text messages. I think something happened Where they knew what she was posting on Facebook, that thing. And Owen is sitting here being like, I just can't date anybody. No. He ended up breaking up. They ended up just going their separate ways because he didn't want this girl to experience Lauren had gone through.

And this girl was freaking out, scared, being like, what the hell is going on right now? And Owen was trying to be like, I don't know who it is.

I don't know who it is. And I don't want this to happen to you. And also probably sitting there and being like, okay, am I ever going to be able to have a relationship with anybody?

Or are they just going to follow me forever?

Or that's the thing. I can't imagine how claustrophobic and controlled you would feel.

Yeah, and totally helpless.

Well, and that's the thing. So he started, I'm sure, feeling out of control. And his mom, Jill, said Like during sports games, like basketball, especially, she saw him starting to get extra aggressive.

Like he was letting it out on the field.

Exactly. Because it was somewhere where he could be a little more aggressive without actually hurting somebody.

But she was probably worried about that.

But she was. And at one point in the Cut article- Oh, it this part destroyed me, the bullying thing.

Yeah. I haven't talked about the bullying a lot lately, but I used to talk about it all the time and it apparently pissed some people off. I don't even know why. But But when I experienced it in middle school, I was insufferable at home. I got in fights with my parents all the time just because I was so upset and so frustrated and so just sad all the time and also angry that I would end up exploding on them just because I was under so much stress and pressure. And that's exactly what happened. Reading that, I was like, whoa, because I was like, I can feel that feeling he's feeling that a Apparently, Owen got really upset one night, according to the article, and had yelled at Jill, his mother, saying, My mother, it's your job. You should be able to stop this bullying. I can't imagine. And she said she just sobbed.

I can't imagine how she must have felt because I'm sure all... And he knew in his heart of hearts all she wanted to do is stop that. Absolutely.

He didn't say that to hurt her. He said it because he was exploding on the inside. That's the thing.

It's a pressure cooker, and at some point you do explode. And that It must have been fucking awful for him and for her.

I can't imagine how... It's like, I know how he felt in that moment. And now as a mother, I can't fucking fathom how she felt in that moment. Because if one of my kids looked at me and said, Why can't you make it stop? This is your job, you should be able to make this stop. You're my mother. Just take out a katana and stab me through the chest. That would That would literally anihilate me. That would anihilate me.

This is my opinion, but I do think Jill was ultimately really the one who got this to stop because she basically told the sheriff, I'm done here. And if you don't do more, I'm going to the papers. Yeah.

And I was like, Good for you.

So she did the work to get something done. I give Jill. Jill is a mama bear.

You can tell that she was just doing whatever she could.

So the FBI agent, Bradley Peter, started doing his thing. He's beefing a boop, and it's taken a while. But he finally finds out that these texts are coming, like we said before, from this app called Pinger, which you could use to disguise a phone number. And as we said, you should just... No app like that should exist. No. But what is great is that the FBI can send a warrant to a place like that to get IP addresses. So he got all these warrants served at like Verizon, Pinger, all these different places to really put the puzzle pieces together. And we're about to tell you who it It was.

Finally, so we can really just start ripping.

I need you all ready? We're going to take a collective deep breath together. If you don't know who this is, you're about to get your shit rocked. Ready? In through the nose, out through the mouth. For a year and a half, these text messages were coming from Lauren's mother, Kendra.

I need you to really take that in. Starting with the first text that said DTF.

Dtf.

Two twelve-year-olds.

Two twelve-year-olds. That Owen was DTF. Now, according to Ms. Kendra, those original text did not come from her. And we'll get there. Which that That's my opinion. I don't believe it.

Personally, I don't believe that.

No.

And I don't think a lot of people believe that.

So we'll get there in a minute. So they find out that it's Lauren's mom. And literally everybody is like, no, that's not possible. Like, a mother I should say, mostly everybody.

A mother could not do that to their child.

No. And that was everybody's thought. A mom could never do that to their child.

And I still think that. I also think that. A mother could not do that to her child.

That's not a mama.

Yeah.

So the sheriff goes to confront her and she denies it for about 3. 2 seconds.

It's on body cam footage, by the way, in the documentary.

It's the wildest shit you'll ever see.

And you are going to be fucking seizing.

She barely denies it. They basically say, yes, So it's coming from your phone, Kendra. And she's like, no, that can't be.

She literally goes, no, no, no.

And like you were saying, if you were ever accused of this and you were not guilty, you'd be like, Oh, my God, no. Like, It's through my phone right now. It's not me. I would never do that. What the fuck? Oh my God.

You would be losing your mind and being like, wait, how is that possible? You'd be like, holy shit. I'll do whatever it is to prove that I didn't do this. I can't believe that you're telling me this right now. She's like, No.

And then he says, What was it, Kendra? Like, some infatuation with Owen? And she goes, No, nothing like that.

And the way she says it is like, No, nothing like that.

Just so casual. If somebody is asking you if you have as like a, I don't know how old she is, but I'm assuming- A grown ass woman. Yeah, I was going to say I won't even assume her age here. But above the age of 18, if somebody's asking you if you have an infatuation with a boy who was 12 to 14 years old when you sent these text messages or 12 to 13 and a half, whatever, you would emphatically scream from the rooftop that you don't have any infatuation with this child. But Kendra couldn't because you look at those motherfucking text messages where she's talking about his private life and- And private body parts. Private body parts. Everybody. And her body parts. She can't No, you can't deny that. No. You can't deny that there's not some infatuation there.

Remember some of the things we mentioned? She wrote to a twelve-year-old boy.

Yup.

Like a boy, a baby, a child, barely past single-digit age.

What the fuck is wrong with you, lady? I don't know how anyone in... There's no way she lives there anymore because I feel like she would literally be hunted and pitchforked out of there. Yeah, she can't live there. You know like Beauty and the Beast when they're going to take down the beast and they all have the Flaming Torches. Flaming torches. And they all have the Flaming Throvers. The Flaming Throvers. Not Flaming Throvers, but Flaming Torches, exactly.

When they pulled up bazookas and Beauty of the Beach.

Listen, I probably- He's crazy. In this case? Yeah.

Honey.

There wouldn't be a safe corner on the Earth.

Here, I... Like, Jill, Owen's mom. I bow down. If I was Owen's mom, I'm not kidding you, not a safe place on Earth. Not a safe place. You'd have to move to Jupiter to get away from me. Yeah. You just would.

Yeah. And even then I'd probably figure out a way to Jupiter.

Pick one of the moons or something. I'd probably go there, too. And I'll take the time to search all of them. I'll go to another universe. The shit she said to her child, her young child, is unforgivable. It is fucking disgusting. Yeah. And in my opinion, Kendra is a sack of shit. Yeah. And there is something deeply disturbed there. Deeply. And deeply dangerous. Absolutely. Because the shit she said to a child should not be taken lightly.

She should be on a list, in my opinion.

That's the part of this. And I mentioned it a little bit before. That's the part of the documentary that I don't think... I think they could have done a two-part documentary. Totally. One, on how she affected Lauren, and two, how she affected Owen, and how fucked up it is. Because we'll get even more into the Lauren stuff, but the Owen stuff is a different fucked up. It really is. And it's something that really should have been taken more seriously in that documentary and touched upon more. Yeah.

So the crazy thing about this, too, to me is that she basically spent less time I'm in prison, I think. She got 19 months in prison. The text went on longer than that. The text went on at least 20 months. And during that time, she couldn't speak to any of the victims involved, which meant that she couldn't speak to her daughter. And the sad thing, in my opinion, is that that was hard for Lauren. Because in that police body footage, you can tell, at least I think, that Lauren's in shock.

Oh, I think she's purely... That is straight up shock. I think she disassociated out of this planet.

That's the thing. She looked to me, at least, like she was fully disassociating. Even Kendra is literally Like, wrapping her, trying to comfort her.

Grabbing her hand.

Like, basically, like, hugging her while she's sitting down, like, stroking her head. I'd be like, Don't fucking touch me. But also, you're the person that I've gone to for comfort my whole life. And you're the person I've gone She was like, I'm going to call you for comfort throughout this whole ordeal.

That's the thing. So it's like, and now all of a sudden- And you did this? Another development has come that I would come to you for comfort for. But it's you. Yeah. Like, how do you reconcile that? She's still a young girl. And now- That's, come on. Like, that is crazy.

It turned out, by the way, too, that Kendra was lying to everybody, it seems. Oh, man. So they called. They were worried, obviously, about when the Sheriff was there, he was like, I can't just leave you, too, now that I've out of your mom as the person who's been ruining your life and telling you to kill your sofa the past however many.

Can I say one thing, too? Yeah. That rubbed me the wrong way about that whole thing? Yeah. They never should have told Lauren in front of her mother. I feel that way, too. Because she was not allowed to have a genuine reaction.

I feel that way, too. She should have been taken into a separate room or something like that. But I don't know what the logistics are there. If they needed Kendra's permission to do that.

Because she's a minor.

Because she's a minor, exactly.

But it's like, I don't know.

It didn't seem to me like there was a lot of thought put in to deliver the message.

Maybe perhaps I'm missing a part of the puzzle, and I won't claim that I know everything here, that maybe they did ask Kendra. We would like to talk to her alone, and Kendra said no. Yeah. And again, she's a minor, so I don't know how that works. I feel like if the mom says no, the parent says no, then- That's just the way it goes. I mean, the only other thing I could think that you could do was to say, you need to call your husband and tell him that he needs to get home and ask him and be like, okay, this is what happened. Tell him the whole thing outside. And then be like, and we would like to tell your daughter or you and I can tell your daughter alone without her present. Because that's the thing. I just felt like having Kendra in the room did not allow Lauren to actually have any reaction. No.

And she probably didn't. I mean, I don't know how she felt. Yeah. Because obviously it's very clear in the documentary that she still loves her mother. She's a strong fucking girl, one, for getting through all of this, and two, being able to move on from this and maintain a relationship or some relationship with her mom.

And just maintain her humanity. Kindness. Kindness, exactly. Because that is something Owen said was what drew him to Lauren, was she was supremely kind. Yeah. So that is one of her hallmarks.

But it's like she should have... I just feel like maybe in that moment, she probably didn't want to be comforted by her mom, and she should have had that option. Yeah, that's the thing.

That's the thing. She didn't need to be instantly grabbed at and touched. Her mom was grabbing her hand and Lauren's just limply allowing her to. It's just fucked up. It was a fucked up situation. I was like, I wanted somebody to remove Kendra from the room because I was like, she needs to be able to process this for a second.

No, that's the thing. I don't think she got any time to process it. No. And any time to process that for over a year, her mom was sending her boyfriend and her explicit sexual messages, literally saying, he doesn't... Basically, I think... Let me find one that I wrote down. It was like...

There were times when she was like, you won't sleep with him.

That's the one I was trying to find.

But I'll sleep with him. You're not sleeping with him. You're not giving him blow jobs. That's why He was breaking out with you. I was like, You're talking to your child.

This is a quote. Maybe you shouldn't have picked cross country over him. You proved he isn't important to you. We were there, though. You don't get with him in bed. You don't sneak out with him. You fucking dress awful. Ain't no guy want that.

That's her mother talking to her, a child.

Yup. That's beyond.

I can't comprehend it. I can't. Nothing about my brain can compute this in any way, shape, or form. And her excuses to me, I'm not saying shit didn't happen to her. I'm not saying that Kendra doesn't have trauma. But to be quite honest, I don't give a fuck about what happened to her because she used it as an excuse to literally inflict trauma upon two children, including her own.

More than two children.

Exactly. More than two children. And it's like, I'm sorry. A whole community of children. Having trauma doesn't give you a fucking free pass to be a goddamn tornado in everybody's life. It just doesn't.

That's the thing. It just doesn't.

So many people- Go to fucking therapy. Right.

So many people, unfortunately, do experience trauma. That's unfortunately just the way that our world... Most people do, unfortunately. That's the thing. It's just the way our world works. It's awful. But I feel like, this is my opinion, but nine out of 10 people you talk to have experienced some pretty awful fucking trauma. Not everybody texts their daughter from an anonymous number telling her to go kill herself and text her boyfriend about explicit things about his body.

Exactly.

Because they had trauma. I'm sorry. That doesn't give you a fucking pass, and it doesn't make me feel bad. I feel bad for what happened to you when you were younger, 100 %. I don't feel bad for you now that you did this.

No.

Like, no, no, no, no, period.

No.

So also, she literally compares this to driving drunk. She is so fucking callous at one point in the documentary. She's like, Everybody has broken the law at some point. People probably have driven drunk before or not got caught. The only difference is that I got caught. Ah, babe, no. No.

To compare sending sexually explicit text to a twelve-year-old boy as a grown adult to someone having a DUI beyond. My brain said, no.

That's comparing. No. That's comparing a zebra to a clementine.

Literally.

That's how it Insane. They don't exist in the same- That's how vast the difference is between them.

You can't compare those two things. She also- She's just like, whatever. She's like, everyone's broken the law. And it's like, first of all, no. And second of all- I've never broken the law like that, babe. Babe, I No. No. No. No. No. No. No. And it's also like, we're not just talking about breaking the law. Yeah, that's a massive part of this. You fucking told your daughter to kill herself, hash tag, bang, bang.

Do it now.

Do it now, bitch. Kill yourself now, bitch. And she also says, because they were like, What the fuck is wrong with you?

They were like, Why did you say that? And they said, Did you think she... Were you ever worried that she was going to kill herself?

And she had to think about it for a second. She was like, No.

No.

Oh, okay. And also, it's like the anorexic stuff. She literally admits that that was an insecurity. She said Lauren knows she's tiny. Of Lauren because she knows she's has a small frame, and sometimes it can be an insecurity for her.

Here's the thing.

So her mother prayed on that?

Here's the thing, too. First she says that, and then, it's so funny, you had the exact same reaction that I did when I watched it the first time. And then when I watched it with you, you said it. They gave her such an out for that because they were like, Were you talking to yourself when you were sending those messages? No.

That interviewer, I was literally like, Shut the fuck up. I was like, Don't give her a pass like that. Don't make her a victim.

And she was like, Maybe I was because I I fell into that anorexic category, too, because I was so small.

It's like, first of all, can we stop throwing around the usage of anorexic? Anorexic isn't just like you're small.

Yeah.

It's like, thin does not mean anorexic. Way beyond that. So there's that. And it's like, too. Also, there was that whole thing where they, Kendra, as this phantom of her daughter, would say, call her a J. V. Ho. Yeah. And you're not good enough for Varsity because she didn't make it on the Varsity team. As someone who played, and it sounds like, as someone who played sports.

And sports meant a lot to you.

It did. It meant a lot to me. And I remember sophomore year, I didn't make it on Varsity for softball, and I was fucking devastated. It was a huge moment in my life. It shattered my confidence. I was so upset. And it's like my mother heard all of that. She She was there when I was crying about it and saying, I'm not good at this, and I should just quit, and why am I even doing it? Her mother also heard that, I'm sure, because Lauren, sports was everything to her. So for her to use even that, that I feel like J. V. Hoe, you're not good enough for varsity, she probably comforted her through not getting on Varsity, and then to pull that out and use it on her. I'm sorry, Kendra's fucking diabolical. Because that is diabolical. Diabolical behavior.

Because not only that, there were text messages that said things like that. There were also Oh, yeah. Pictures of Lauren and Owen together with Lauren's face crossed out, and then words all over the picture saying, J. V.

Ho, slut.

Not like, worthless.

Like, Nobody will miss you.

Nobody will miss you. All these fucking awful things. Writing J. V. Ho alone would have been awful.

And again, remember, this is her mother. I can't stress this enough. Her mother brought up a picture of her own baby girl.

Her only. Her only baby girl and wrote that shit over her fucking face.

And that. I can't reconcile that in my mind. And for her to sit there and be like, If I could go back and change it, no, you wouldn't. No. No, you wouldn't.

Also, Because you did it for two years. Again, I can't stress enough. That same woman who brought up the picture of her baby's face, crossed it out, wrote all those things, told her to kill herself, was texting her boyfriend explicit acts, then had the fucking gall in that documentary to sit there and talk about hearing Lauren's heartbeat for the first time. Oh my God, that. And how she realized in that moment that you think you can love this baby so much. And then you realize that you have more love than you ever... You don't love. That's not love. You don't treat someone you love that. No.

And that is your baby. You're supposed to keep them safe. And you're preying on her insecurities and you're nurturing them. Creating them. She nurtured those insecurities that she had and made them bigger. Because no matter what, after this, not only did Lauren think for a period of time that her peers were feeding on those insecurities. And she realized. Now she's sitting there going, holy shit, my own mother said that shit to me. That won't go away anytime soon. The damage is lasting there.

That is a mind fuck. Yeah. That is the mind fuck of a century.

And for Kender to sit there and act like she's any victim I was fucking seething. I'm still seething just thinking about her fucking face sitting there, crying to act like she's the victim in any of this.

She also said, and this makes no No sense. So remember I said, I think somewhere in this, that she claims that she didn't send those original text messages. When they started around that Halloween party, she said that she didn't send those and that the reason why she eventually started sending the text messages was to get to the bottom of who sent the original ones.

One, that makes no sense.

Two, what did talking about explicit sex acts have to do with getting to the bottom of it? And three, what would telling your daughter to kill herself, how is that going to help you uncover the real villain here? And then at one point she said, I think it was my escape. Telling your daughter to kill herself was your escape?

Prison. I don't think that was touched upon enough in that documentary, that part of it.

No. So here's the thing. It basically ends by saying that Lauren, I think Lauren basically didn't get to talk to her mom during the trial, and she couldn't see her while she was in prison, but they exchanged emails. The emails are over the top on Kendra's side of things, in my opinion. She's way too much. A lot of people, including professionals, nobody can diagnose her without her being their client, whatever. But a lot of people believe that this is a case of digital Munchausen.

Which it appears to at least resemble that. I think it's very... I think there's even deeper shit, though. I do, too. To be quite honest. I don't even think it ends there.

So So here's the thing. So that's basically how the documentary ends. And Lauren says she hopes they can repair their relationship, and she hopes her mom gets the help she needs.

And remember, I don't know if we totally touched on it before, but that she was lying about having a job for a year. Oh, my God.

We forgot to touch on that.

Yeah. When the dad shows up, when they actually... I feel her dad's name is Sean. I feel horrible for this man as well. He thought she had a job for the entire time she was doing this, and it turned out she didn't. She got fired for texting at work. And allegedly, according to the article.

They literally put her on a plan. Like a performance plan. Like a performance plan because she was spending too much time on outside things. According to the article. According to the article. And then she decided to leave.

She quit and never told him. And just they lost houses. She was claiming to be working. And also, so he was lied to for the full two years about all of this, including the fact that she was bringing money and wasn't because she also had control of the finances. And when he gets there, he's like, well, did you get her phones? Did you look at her phones? And the Sheriff is like, phones? She gave us one. Because when they said, do you have anything else? She said, I have a laptop. And he was like, oh, no, she's got a couple of phones. And then when they go in there and ask her for them, she acts. First of all, she's shocked that they know about that second phone, which I was like, you're a fucking diabolical.

And she tries to say, no, there's no other phone.

She's like, yeah, no, I don't know. And then he's like, one of the other Sheriff is literally like, it's fine. I'll just tear this fucking house apart. And you can tell he's like, give me a reason.

Let's go. I knew everything I knew going into that. I wouldn't have even given her the opportunity. I just ripped the house apart looking for it.

And he's like, I'll rip the house apart. And she's like, it's outside. Now that when they pulled up, she was outside.

And Lauren is out swimming. So I'm like, was your daughter- What were you sending to her out there? Was your daughter enjoying her Lakeday swimming and you're sitting there texting her horrible things. Yeah.

So she wasn't working all day and would just text Owen and Kendra or Lauren all day. And all night. And they were in the article, it actually says that somebody in town saw her parked in a church parking lot one day. With her head down. In the middle of the day, with her head down. And when she looked up and was like, oh, like, wave.

It was Owen's father.

I was going to say because it was Jill later who said that Kendra brought it up later out of nowhere and was like, oh, he saw me. It must have been funny. I'd spilled coffee on my lap and I was trying to wipe it off. And she was like, why did she bring that up?

And it was like, to cover her ass. That was a weird thing to bring up.

Because she knew she got caught. And it's like, so this lady for almost two years was lying to her entire family, putting her entire family at risk, financially, emotionally, everything, and was spending her entire day Ruthlessly texting nasty-ass shit and death threats to her child and her child's then ex-boyfriend. And sexually sitting, God knows where in the middle of the day texting sexually explicit shit to a 12 and 13 and 14-year-old boy.

Like, what the fuck? That shit blows my mind. And also potentially creating these other... The documentary never touched on that in the article, like very briefly touches on it, but I don't know how it all worked. But could have created those accounts that were fakes of Chloe sending messages. Yeah.

Like, what the fuck?

Are you kidding me?

Like, what is it? And it sounds like, according to the article, that there was always a very big focus on Owen. Yeah. In that family, like from Kendra.

Yeah. So this is a direct quote from From the article. And the article was written before the documentary came out. So they refer to Lauren as Ashley because she was still a minor at the time. So it said, this is direct from the article, after Ashley started dating Owen, her mother came along, too. At every opportunity, Kendra would ask them to wrap their arms around each other for a photo, which Ashley would turn into presents for Owen, like a personalized phone case. When they hung out at the LaCarice, Kendra would chime in, Why don't you jump on the trampoline? Why take a spin in Ashley's ranger utility vehicle? Kendra talked about the kids, Jill says, quote, like they were going to be together forever. Once, a friend, Paige, saw Kendra take Ashley's phone, read her daughter's text with Owen. Then, as Ashley, Kendra typed out a reply, I love you. And Still says it. And again, it's not... It's so briefly touched on in this article. Sorry, in the documentary.

Which I imagine they needed to leave things vague to get Kendra to agree to participate in this I'm still shocked they did.

It was one of those things where I was like, how did this not turn into we reached out to Kendra for a comment and she has never replied to us?

Netflix, when she was like, yeah, totally. You know they were like, cameras, cameras, cameras. They were literally like, Get in the car. Like, holy shit.

Get her to sign the thing. It's like in Bravo. And they're like, I need Andy in a camera now.

Somebody like, rappels from the ceiling with the waiver for her to sign. It's just like, Sign here, sign here.

She's like, okay. But at At the same time, who knows? Because in the documentary, her cousin says, this is her cousin saying she loves attention. She said, if you were, if Kendra was here right now when you were talking to me, she would be dancing over there trying to get your attention.

Get your attention on her.

So It's like...

It's bonkers.

It is. So we were touching upon it before how maybe they left some things out or didn't go too hard into some things to get Kendra to be a part of it. But one thing that they did include was Jill saying that she thought that it... Maybe there was the whole Lauren piece, but also that maybe Kendra had some infatuation with Owen.

Yeah. And that was Jill thinking that? Yeah. And Owen also felt that way.

Owen also felt that way. And it seems like a lot of other people felt that way. And that's where the Cut article goes into that a little bit more. Here's another quote. In eighth grade, Kendra signed up to coach Owen's track team, becoming, he says, a second mom. A regular spectator at Owen's matches, she drove Ashley three hours across Michigan to watch one of his Championship games. Once, Kendra even suggested turning Owen's tournament in Florida into a LaCarri family vacation, to which Jill had to gently say, no.

Which Jill was probably like, okay. And she even says it. She's like, I just thought, okay, I guess we're good friends. We're family friends. I guess maybe she's just like- Being supportive. Like her family's very sports-focused. So maybe they're just extending off to Owen, but still, even she was like, no.

It's a little much.

No. We're not doing that. Like, what the fuck?

And it's like, you also have to remember. They're in seventh grade. They're in seventh grade. This is also around the time that these text messages start. And it seems like also around the time where her job is hanging on by a thread. Exactly. And it's like, you're going to take time off to go to Florida to watch a twelve-year-old compete in a championship. That's not your twelve-year-old.

Oh, yeah. And also, Kendra is an IT professional. Yeah. So that I'll show you exactly how she got that far. It's, you can't make this shit up. It's strange. You can't make this shit up.

It is strange.

And obviously, like, Sean, Kendra's ex-husband now divorced her. Yeah. And I think he had complete, he has complete custody of Lauren, who I, they seem to be doing well together.

They seem like they have a great relationship. So that's awesome. Yeah. But yeah. And then I guess one final note is that Lifetime made their own version loosely based on this story. It's called Mommy Meanest. That's the most Lifetime shit I've ever heard. I'm going to watch it immediately because Lisa Rinna is the mom, and it says she is a Machiavelian brunette mother harassing her daughter. I was like, Lisa Rinna?

What? Ash literally was like, I'm in.

I said, I'm watching it.

I'm in.

I don't think this documentary, mark my words right here, right now. I don't think this documentary is the last we're going to hear about this case. No. I think it goes a little deeper. Yeah.

And I think there's a lot more there. I'm telling you, they could have done a part two just on the stuff she was saying to Owen and really focused on the Lauren stuff in one and Owen in another because they are two different sides of the same coin. Yes. And equally as horrifying on either side, just in totally different ways.

Well, what bothers me is she never got charged with any sexual crime.

Yeah, misconduct. This is like, Owens was able to say to her in her hearing because they didn't get to go to full trial. He said, I'm going to be scarred by this for life.

You might move on, but I won't.

Yeah, he literally said, You'll move on, but I won't. Like, I'm going, this is going to affect me for the rest of my life.

And it will Because oh, and sorry. Finding out that that lady was sending you that shit or talking about you like that. And not only that, finding out that she was sending you that shit, talking to you about, like sending text to you about those things. And then finding out that after you broke up, you and her daughter broke up.

She was stalking your new girlfriend.

She was stalking your new girlfriend another town away.

Like, this is a woman who, in my opinion, this feels like this woman was obsessed with this little boy and would not let him move forward.

Allegedly, in my opinion.

Allegedly, in my opinion, that's what it feels like. A hundred %. And that's what it could look. It would feel like that to me if I was Owen, I'd be like, And if I was Owen's mom. And that would fuck me up. Yeah.

So I think that's everything we have to say about Unkown Number, the high school catfish. I will remember this documentary as long as I breathe air on this Earth.

It blew my fucking mind.

I need to know if some of you guys went into this not knowing who it Oh, please tell...

I'm actually like, I'm envious of the people who didn't get it spoiled because I got it spoiled on TikTok before I watched it. And so I went in knowing. Even going in knowing, I was still- It's still wild. It still blew me over. But I wonder what it must feel like to get that complete shock.

There are so many, I think I said it on one of the last episodes we did. There are so many TikTok compilations of people finding out just being like, what?

Oh, my God. I saw one the other day that was like some lady and she turned and she just I was, I knew it.

I saw that one. I knew it.

I saw that one. I was like, oh, shit. Yeah.

It's unthinkable.

But damn.

One of the most compelling documentaries I've seen in a while.

I hope everyone else is thriving and doing well and healing in this story. Except for Kendra. I don't give a fuck about Kendra. Yeah.

So that was our first bonus episode. It was fun to talk to you guys about a documentary. I don't think we talked about a film since we did shockingly vile, wickedly, super nasty, gross, disgusting.

Super-nasty.

With Zac Efron. With Zac Efron. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. That was like many years ago.

That was many moons ago. That was many moons.

So we hope you keep listening. We hope you enjoy the bonus episodes.

And we hope you keep it weird.

But not so weird that you don't tune into our bonus episodes, which are going to happen one Friday a month. Woohoo. Yay. Bye, girl.