Transcript of Dialing the Dead: A Séance with Sam & Colby

Hey, weirdos. I'm Elaina. I'm Ash.

I'm Sam.

And I'm Colby.

And this is a very special Morbid.

Yeah, it is.

Let's go.

We have special guests, Sam and Colby, you might know them from YouTube. Maybe. Maybe. Unless you're old like me When I found their video for the first time, I was like, Guys, you have to watch this YouTube channel. They're so funny. Their names are Sam and Kolby, and our listeners were like, Yeah. Elaina, they've been around for like 100,000 years.

A hundred, thousand years.

They have a million, zillion followers. And I was like, Oh.

Well, thank you for having us.

Good to be back. Thank you for being here.

Good to have you in our real podcast. Yeah. Not that bank vault that we were in.

That we were all sweating in.

This is a beautiful studio.

Thank you. We've really, you know. We've added to it. We made it a little more plush and cozy.

Got the spooky vibes for some haunted October.

Hell, yeah. Stories. Oh, yeah. What were you calling it? Because it's pre-October now.

Oh, I'm calling it Proctober.

So we were saying Proctober. So we were saying Goodie Proctober. Yeah.

No one needs September. It's Proctober.

We've branded it that now. We know what we're doing around here. It's no longer September. It's Goodie Proctober. Yep.

That's the end. T-m. Don't question us.

No one really likes September. It's just all about October.

Yeah. Because everybody's just waiting for October. Exactly. Have the leaves changed. Yeah. Like, come on.

Come on, let's pick some apples. Let's go. Let's get to it.

Are you an apple picker?

I love picking apples.

Really? Wait, I love that. That's like a class of are you an apple picker? Have you guys gone apple picking?

Never in my life.

Shut the fuck up.

You're missing. Why did we not take you apple picking?

Okay, we're adding that to the itinerary next time we hang out. Okay, let's do it.

We have to.

Never picked an apple. That's a New England thing we take for granted, I think. Yeah.

It's very special. I was going to say, driving out here in New England, I was like, This is a whole different world. You were in the forest.

It's crazy. I mean, you went to a Longhorn for the first time.

We did. We collectively got that Longhorn.

We did That's true. We were all in that Longhorn.

What?

I'd rephrase that.

We ate that Longhorn Steakhouse, guys.

Just kidding.

You were like, the asterisk.

To clarify.

It's a steak place.

Yeah. Restaurant. It's very cowboy-themed.

It was a wild ride.

It really was. But yeah, we need to take you apple picking. It's an experience. You got your apple cider donuts.

This is just getting me so excited for all the holidays. Oh, yeah. Pumpkin patches.

Hell, yeah. Okay, so you do do pumpkin patches.

We do pumpkin patches, and we do an annual Halloween party. We do.

Every single year. You guys are invited.

Thank you. We'll fly out for it.

I would go for a ranger.

Iconic.

La in October is insane. There's like 100 costume parties all the time. People go all out. I've never seen anything like it.

It's the only social time of the year for LA for some reason. Really? Everybody hides in their home all year and then Halloween happens and all of October, it's a party after party.

And you can hide in a costume. Exactly.

We prep our costumes months in advance. We have them set up. We have at least five. It's like crazy.

Oh my God, I love that. That's really fun. So is it just the one party or do you do a ton of dressing up?

There's a lot of other parties, but we do our annual Halloween party is one big event at the end of October, which is a celebration of our end of season because for us, October is our Super Bowl. Oh, yeah.

Honestly, same. That makes perfect sense.

Yeah, I would assume, too.

Oh, yeah. I know October now that a mom has become like because I'm obsessed with making my kids costumes from scratch, no matter what they are. You make them? I will not buy a costume.

She makes sick costumes, too.

That's awesome. Like, sew them and everything?

Yeah. I learned how to sew for that.

What have you made before? Like, what's your favorite one?

So I made when they were little, one of my twins wanted to be the moon, and I was like, okay.

We'll show you pictures after.

She was like, I want to be the moon. I think she was like two or three. I was like, All right, how do I make this so it's not just the moon? I made a plushy moon that her face fit into. She was like the Crescent moon There was a bunch of ribbons coming down from it. That's really cool. It was very proud of that one.

What was your other... What was the other...

We've done... Oh, she was an owl. An owl. Yeah, she was an owl. That was a cute one. We're doing K-pop demon hunters this year, though.

Okay, that's huge.

Good idea. I had to make a roomy costume, so now I'm making like, spangly outfits.

There we go.

We need you to make ours.

I know.

Tell me what you want to be in the document. I have an entire craft room downstairs. That's just all like, costume making things now at this point. Yeah, it's sick.

I love how serious you guys take having.

Oh, I take it so seriously. Yeah.

From birth, essentially.

And I know there's going to be a time where they're eventually going to be like, Mom, I don't want you to make my costume anymore. Why?

You got to soak it on your right. What do you mean? I'm insulted. Come on.

But yeah. But yeah. Next time you're coming apple picking so that you can bake an apple pie with fresh apples.

Where you picked off a tree. We'll wear costumes apple picking.

A hundred % down. That's happening. Then you guys come to the Halloween party. There we go. There we go.

There we go. Apple pick and then go to a ranger.

Yes, there we go. Love it.

We show you ours and then we go over there. Exactly.

Our two different worlds collide.

We swap Halloweens.

There we go.

I love that. Well, Honestly, everybody probably knows who you are and probably knows your YouTube channel. You have nearly 15 million subscribers. Am I correct? Something like that?

Yeah, getting close. That's absolutely insane. That's wild.

That's wild. How many years have you been at it?

We started our YouTube channel in 2014, I believe. So 11 years.

Wow. That's the year I graduated high school. Holy shit. That's crazy that that's 11 years. Yeah.

That's insane.

It's been a wild ride for sure. But we've been only doing the haunted stuff for about five, six years. Yeah.

Okay.

So what did you start off as?

So at first we were starting on Vine. We did a bunch of like, comedy videos and stuff like that.

Oh my god, RIP Vine.

Exactly. I loved Vine.

It was amazing. We did like public pranks back in the day. Oh, yeah. I run around on Walmart and get on the intercoms and stuff like that.

That's fun.

What else are you going to do on mine? Exactly.

You only got six seconds.

Then we moved to YouTube when we started doing all of the tags. I don't know if you remember 2015, 2016, YouTube, where there's boyfriend, girlfriend tags, question and answers, things like that all over the internet, all over YouTube. We were doing a lot of those types of videos, but ultimately decided to do what we loved, which was going to abandoned places. We grew up in Kansas City, and on the weekends, there was not much to do besides go and explore abandoned places with friends. We decided to film that out in LA when we were trying to figure out exactly what we wanted to genuinely do. Then that naturally led us into Haunted. Now we're here.

Of course. It makes sense.

It feels right. Yeah, right? It feels like you were made to do this.

It really does.

Exactly.

You guys have an escape room now?

We do. Yeah, it just opened up on a Hollywood Boulevard, which is insane.

That's badass.

That's so cool. Thank you. It's wild to think about. That's crazy. I remember visiting Los Angeles in 2014, six months after we started, I'm like, one day we got to move here. And walking around Hollywood Boulevard, being like, this would be so cool. And now we have an escape. Now I have a legit- All on Hollywood Boulevard. It's like, that's crazy. It's a big full circle moment.

Yeah, for sure. I love an escape room. I know.

How did that idea come about?

So we had been there in the past. We actually got invited by Hot Topic to do a photoshoot there.

I love that.

It's at a venue or a spot called the Escape Hotel. It's just a giant venue. It has a stage and everything. There's people that perform. It's a bar on top and stuff, and it has a super creepy ambient vibe to it. When we went there to shoot, we met the managers, and then our management got in contact with theirs, and we came up with the idea, and it took a little bit of time, but we finally got it this past six months, and it's been amazing.

That's so cool. We've been really interested in trying to get in person with a lot of these types of events, because I think a big part of why people watch our videos is they feel like they are coming on these adventures with us. Yeah, for sure. And so we're like, Okay, how can we actually give people some adventure, some story? So between the escape room and the year before, we opened up a haunted venue, or we bought a haunted venue called Farrar School in Iowa. And so we're just trying to, over the course of time, just get people in person and how do you actually give this experience to people? And it's been It's really an interesting ride. Yeah, sure.

Yeah, it sounds like- It's going to be cool. It's such a cool idea. That's such a perfect way to connect with your audience, too, because it's a perfect combo of everything. Because I feel like even people who are a little hesitant to do haunted things and are scared, I feel like an escape room is a safe way. Exactly.

I love escape rooms. I don't like you guys. They're so fun rooms. It's so good.

I haven't done one since middle school, but I want to go to one.

You just did one. We do them so much. I'm so competitive with them.

I always want to pick the hardest level when they give you the level.

So you can do them like harness.

Yeah, I would end up getting locked in there for days. Yeah, obviously they end, but if they didn't, then you'd be like, why?

Imagine our escape room is like, You have to escape.

You have to. Or you just stay forever.

That's the next step. Speaking of, you guys should come out. You should try ours anytime. So let us know. And we made it extremely hard for a reason. Oh, hell, yeah. I love that. Do you know the % success rate? I forgot.

It's like 30 %.

30 %. Like, he's like, I know. I love that.

Let's go. That makes me want to do it more. The lower the success rate, the more I'm like, I'm going to get out of there.

I'll go with you and I'll get it by association.

We've put out a challenge that the fastest time to complete it with no clues by Halloween gets to be a part of the escape room. Oh, shit. Putting their faces.

Oh, no. That's cool. Oh, no. That's going to be really interesting. No clues. My face is going to be in there. You'll have to now. It's just me.

I love it.

We did one in New York once, John and I, and it was actually like an old hotel theme, and we didn't make it out. I think about it to this day. I'm so angry. Oh, you didn't make it out?

You're bitter about it still.

Are you blaming him? I'm like, It's your fault.

You were too slow on that one puzzle. It was your fault.

Every morning, I remember that escape room.

I'll never forget.

Never forget. I love it. Oh, so cool, though.

So going back, you purchased an elementary school in Iowa, Farrar, Iowa, and you lived in it for a week. We did.

It's good.

Yeah, that was our way to announce it to the world. It's like, we bought it, we realized there was a lot of renovations needed because one of the biggest reasons that we bought the place is because it was about to be demolished. There was threatening of demolition because it was breaking down. It was a really old building over 100 years old. And so we had to repair it. And then we're like, Okay, well, we want to open this up for investigations because, again, one of our big goals is to give these people the experience of investigating themselves. And so we're like, Okay, how do we want to announce this the world? Well, let's just do the craziest investigation plan and lock ourselves in our own school. I cannot leave for an entire week. That's wild. It was wild.

It's pretty interesting there because there's a lot of different spirits. There's a bunch of like, children's spirits who are students, back in the day. But there's also a principal figure who owns the school. He's a nice guy, but he's also very strict. Principals. Exactly.

So you got to respect him.

So you got to respect him. Exactly. But then in the gym, there's a boiler room to the left side of it, and that has something very dark in there. We believe that there is a portal. Oh, shit. That we weren't able to close. But something's definitely dark as well.

Oh, damn. That's like Frank Kruger energy in the boiler room.

It's cool. Parks of owning a spot now, we get to see all the other investigations that are happening there and react to them. And we have security cameras over there that capture all these things. We can capture so many really interesting parental evidence. And we have been seeing over the course of the last year that even since we've left, especially in this boiler room, the energy has gotten darker and darker. People went sprinting out of the school, getting threatened all the time. And we're like, God, dang, it's like, worse than when we came. It's like, god, dang, it's just insane. What is in there? Yeah, it's pretty wild. But it's been really interesting because unlike most of the places that we get to go to or just for a couple of hours at night or maybe an overnight stay, being able to not only go there for the week, but then continually see everybody and then being able to go back whenever we want. It's just a much different experience.

It's like an ongoing investigation.

Yeah, exactly. We're always used to just going in for one night, you guys experience, and then just filming it, and then that's it. But having a 24/7 camera system, we're able to actually conduct research. When nobody's there, if a door opens, we can see that stuff. That's so cool. We're We're definitely going to be talking about that security cam footage in the future.

. But those security cameras literally caught some crazy stuff. We've seen full on shadow figures. We've seen like, footsteps. Almost like, I don't guess, seeing Harry Potter. Like that map that sees people walk. Yeah. Like, literally things like that. Like, walls moving out of nowhere where no one's in the room. And it's like, oh, okay. Like owning a hauntability, you see some wacky stuff.

This is a great idea.

It's super cool. Last story, our buddy exploring with Josh, he was filming a video there, so it's on his channel. But there's an intercom that goes around the entire building that the principal obviously uses to talk to all the students. And it's only able to be turned on in the principal's office downstairs, and they were all the way upstairs. And just you could hear it turn on the entire school. And so there's some stuff going on there.

It's crazy. Did anybody say anything or was it just the click on?

No voices. It just clicked on and had that like loud-Alias diamond. Yeah.

What the fuck? I hate that. That's so scary.

I would hate that a lot.

It's messed up there for sure.

That's so cool, though. It reminds me of, I don't know if you guys have seen Hell House LLC. I don't think so. I need to watch that. I don't think so. I love it. It's a found footage movie, but it's an amazing one.

It's fun. Very good.

They have to stay. They're coming up with a haunted house for Halloween, but they buy an old haunted location and they stay in it for a week. That just made me think of it. It turned out differently, so I'm glad. Yeah, it went It's better for you guys. Definitely watch that.

Okay. Yeah, we'll check that out.

That's really good. Because as soon as you said you stayed there for a week, I was like, You survived. That's great.

Yeah. Thank God. You guys have survived a bunch of ghost hunting now. We didn't realize since our last podcast, you guys have been ghost hunting more and more often.

Yeah, we got inspired from our USS Salem trip.

We had so much fun. Let's go. It was so fun. We were like, as soon as we left that, we were like, when can we do this again? This was so fun.

What was the first thing we did after that?

Was that probably Lizzie Borden?

Again, right? Because we had already gone before. We went back there.

That's a crazy spot.

Yeah, we've done a few.

Talk about true crime right there. That's crazy. That's one of the biggest stories.

I still want to know what happened there.

It's just so heavy when you walk in there, immediately.

You can feel it.

You can That, too. Yeah, that was one of the darkest places.

Yeah. Especially the stepmother's room where she was killed. That's a gnarly room.

That room and then the kids' room where all the toys are, that really freaks me the fuck out.

Are you talking about the attic?

Yeah, exactly.

So creepy.

There's something weird in there. For sure.

Wait, so with all the places you guys have gone to, do you ever feel like anything follows you or comes with you? Because you've been to a ton of locations. I'm like, did you bring something into our office?

We're like, oh, you guys are straight.

So sorry, guys.

We're just going to leave you with a present.

Exactly.

She's over there.

Leave you with a little friend. A lot of people say that. It's actually really creepy that sometimes we walk up to a place and someone Hey, I'm a psychic, and you have something attached to you. Oh. I'm like, Yes. Oh, I don't like that. I would think that's a lot.

One time, too, where it wasn't even like... I think she claimed to be a psychic, but do you remember the story? We haven't talked about this in so long, where we went to a Ralph's one time in LA, and there was a random worker there that was just like, Hey, I'm a fan. I've been watching your channel, and you have to tell Sam that something's following him. I see it. I saw it in the store. It was to our faces, and we were like, All right. So cool. Thanks for the bananas.

I remember an old guy in a parking lot stopping me and being like, You're not going to be okay. I was like, No, do not. Tell me that.

You're not going to be okay. And that's it. Like, period. You're not going to be okay?

Why? And he's like, no, you need to get cleansed. And I'm like, oh, God.

Have you guys been cleansed before?

We do that a lot more now. Yeah, I bet. We're taking a lot more precautions and making sure we're a lot more safe with our investigations that we do. That's so scary. But definitely, to answer your question, there's been a lot of people saying things have followed us.

There's been a lot of people in parking lots and grocery stores.

I don't understand. Holy shit.

And definitely, we have a spot in Vegas, we stay there most of the time, and that house is definitely haunted for sure.

You're a spot in Vegas, you said?

Yeah, our spot in Vegas. It's our main residence, but we'll see shadows going underneath the door and stuff like that. Sometimes I'll think Sam's walking by my door and I'm like, Oh, he needs to ask you a question or whatever. Why not just not open it up? Nobody there. We hear noises all the time. There was one time we were all playing a game with some friends and there was a... How do I describe it? Somebody hit our blind shade or whatever. You know the ones that you can pull down? It's not the shades like this. It's like the horizontal ones or whatever. We have pulled down or whatever, and then just somebody punched it.

Yeah, imagine this shade has been completely still for an hour while we were playing this game, and then boom, it's like it got punched, impacted. It's crazy. It's like, whoa, we all just turned around like, what just happened?

And not like somebody punched it, like you're punching at the window, but it's coming this way, if that makes sense.

Through the window. Oh, like at you? Oh, okay. So it was not like a concave, it was like a convex. Yes. That's the perfect way it was done. Okay, let's go. That's perfect.

This is perfect.

Wow, that's terrifying. Did you need to get a new shade?

Well, no, thank God. Shades are expensive.

Exactly.

Wow. Holy shit. We've had some weird things happen in this room.

The other day, in fact, we were filming, not filming, we were recording a Poltergeist episode. And in the middle of it, we just have a calendar over there that never goes off. And it will if we complete a task, but we had not completed a task that day. So in the middle of telling the story, it just made this like musical sound.

It was like a lullaby sound.

I usually sit where you're sitting, Sam. I almost went through that skyrocket. I was like, oh, I got to go.

I went over there and nothing was on the screen. It hadn't given a notification. It just was this creepy lullaby sound.

And we were like, it was so loud. It was like,.

We've had weird shit I'm trying to think of other weird instances in here. The TV, it won't now, but the TV very slowly fell.

Yeah, you thought that was hilarious.

Fell on Ash's head in the middle of the corner.

The TV is attached to the wall. It's fully up there. It will not fall on you. Again, I sit where you're sitting, and it just crashed onto my head. What? Nobody moved.

It was like slow motion.

There wasn't a bang. It just literally was like, boom.

Attempted murder? Yeah.

You were like, well, I I could not stop laughing. You said it was the noise I made.

It was, yeah. But we've had little things. I mean, this house has a few things because my youngest, I don't know. I don't think I've told you. Have I told you guys about Skelton?

I don't think so.

It's like an honorary thing every tell, every guess. He would remember.

Yeah, I feel like. Our listeners are going to be like, Jesus Christ, we're going to hear about Skeleton again.

No, you'll never stop hearing about Skeleton. Okay.

My youngest, when she was three, I would say. Maybe even a little younger. Maybe two or three. She would come in and tell us that she something in her room, which we were like, oh, great. Here we are. And we were like, who is it? And she was like, his name is Skeleton. But she would say it like that, like not skeleton. Like, Skeleton. Like, Skeleton.

Like, oh, Skeleton.

Like, his name is Skeleton. And I was like, Skelton? Stone? Okay. And I'm like, What is he? And she was like, he's a skeleton. And I was like, Oh. And she's like, and he sits on my bookshelf and watches me. And I said, Okay. I was like, Is he mean? And she was like, No, he's not mean.

He's a nice guy.

He's a nice guy. That's what she said. I was like, Great. And she said, His bones look old. And I was like, How do you know that? Because you're two or three. And she said, They're like, they're like, brown and dark. How does she know that? And I was like, Why would you know that? She didn't even know what real bones look like.

She's wild.

Oh, my God.

She's the one we were telling you about.

That is my worst nightmare. And I asked her, I was like, so she sits on your book shelf? How does he sit? And she was like, oh. She said, he lays like this. Oh, God. Which I was like, oh. It's like a skelton.

What are you doing?

Are you watching my child? What are you doing?

But he's gone now.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. He would leave every once in a while. And I was like, Oh, he leaves and comes back. I was like, he comes back, though. And she goes, Yeah, he leaves sometimes to go visit his family. His family?

His family. He has a family. A family.

One day he left to see his family and didn't come back.

Stay with your family.

I was like, found your family.

Even scarier because who showed up then?

Yeah. So we got rid of Skelton. We upgraded. She was like, she was like a little bum. She was a little bummed. She was like, oh, Skelton didn't come back. And I was like, all right, that's fine. And then one day, she- In the middle of hide and seek, right? Yeah. My husband and her were playing hide and seek, and they were like, hiding under a blanket together. And she was like, oh, I hope the Mister doesn't see us. The Mister? And he was like, What? And he was like, what? And she was like, The Mister? And he was like, You have to explain to me what the Mister is.

Well, and he said like, Oh, no, he won't find us.

Yeah, because she Because she explained like he's a guy with no eyes. Oh, God. Sometimes he takes the snacks in our pantry, apparently. Which I think is just her. She said like he's a little scary. She doesn't like him. And so John was like, oh, he won't find us. Like trying to maintain composure. And she goes, Oh, no. The Mister will always find us. Oh, he was like, All right, game over.

That's the most ominous shit I've ever heard in my life.

That is a horrifying I am.

Yeah. The mystery will always find us. She doesn't talk about them anymore.

Yeah, but if you if you bring him up, she's like, oh, yeah, I remember him. Yeah. Like, she remembers him. Oh my God. Yeah. And Scaleton.

Yeah. We have a history of creepy children in this family. I was a creepy child.

You were a creepy child. Were you a creepy child?

I don't think I was. No, actually, yeah, you were because you used to just sway and talk about flags.

Oh, I used to sleep. I just sleep. I was a sleepwalker.

But you were a creepy sleepwalker.

I mean, all the sleepwalkers I feel like are pretty creepy. Yeah.

That is very true. Yeah, sleep walking is always. Yeah. 4: 00 AM.

Yeah.

No, thank you.

I used to see a ton of ghosts when I was little. Yeah, you did. I used to live at Elaina's parents house because we're aunt and niece, technically, but really sisters. That house is haunted as fuck. It's an old farm house. I think it's 100 years old.

I think it's over 100 years old.

I saw a little boy one time, a farm boy with a cap and those old timey pants. Then the socks would be up. I saw him in the corner of our shared room just reading a book. I woke my mom up.

She was so little when she said this.

I think I was five, probably. I still can see it in my head. I woke my mom up and I was like, The boy is reading. There's a boy in here. He's reading your book. She was like, No, no, no. I'll go back to sleep. She woke up and her book was wedged in the closet and she had not left it there.

No way.

I hadn't gotten out of bed or anything.

But it was non-threatening. It was just like an apparition doing a thing?

He was chilling. Yeah. He was just reading the book.

He was probably like, what the hell is this?

Yeah, it's crazy. He probably saw you, too, and has a story to tell his ghost friend.

I saw a girl there. It's crazy. This girl saw me. She was telling her mom. Her mom didn't believe her.

What do you think about that? I feel like when we're kids, we are so much more open to seeing spirits and things like that. I don't know. Obviously, every kid has had their imaginary friend. But I don't know. A lot of me thinks that sometimes they aren't imaginary friends. We're just much more open to it with their kids. And then, you know.

Because you're not scared yet, I think.

And you're open to everything. Kids have no biases, no like, anything.

Society hasn't told you what you have to believe and stuff like that.

So I think they're just totally open Did you guys see shit when you were kids?

More so. Not as vivid, I think, as those types of things. But I used to, especially fifth grade and below, I get once a week.

It was super weird. Really?

To the point where I was predicting things that were about to happen. Oh, wow. I was like, I've seen this thing. She's about to say this. Okay, yeah. And then she just said this. It was super fucking weird. Happened all the time when I was a kid. That's interesting. But now, less. I don't know. It's weird. Yeah. But now I don't see much.

I only had one really haunted, scary experience when I was super young. I think I was in sixth grade. So what? 11, 12, something like that. And I was really getting into Christianity for the first time in my life. And this was during a time in my life where I was going to a Bible camp. I was also during the weekdays, I would have a Bible study on a Wednesday and then go to church on Sunday. I was really just involved with it. It's hard to explain, but I had a loft bed. It was one of those where you had to climb the ladder to get on top. There's a desk underneath. It happened three nights in a matter of a week or two or something like that. But right before I was about to fall asleep, right before I was losing consciousness, I just heard a... Right in my ear and it woke me up. And then I would try to go back to sleep, and then right in my ear, to the point where I knew I wasn't dreaming. I wasn't going crazy. I ran to my mom's room. I told her the story.

And that happened again two other nights. A month, maybe.

I don't know. You're older at that point. You just said 11 or something.

11 or 12. Something Something like that. And yeah, still to this day, don't know what it was, but part of me believes that because I was getting into Christianity and stuff like that, it was something trying to scare me. I don't know. I have no idea. Maybe. But I've told that story once before.

Oh, that's so creepy.

Yeah, I don't know what it was. I want to know what that was. To this day. And this never happened to me for the rest. Who are you?

Speak up.

Yeah, exactly.

In my life, yeah.

And it was just a couple of nights that it happened?

Yeah, it was... Again, this was so long ago, so I'm not going to lie. I don't know. I think it was like, it happened two or three nights, and then it would happen three times.

I mean, that's significant.

To the point where, again, I went and woke up my mom at 12 years old.

Yeah, no, exactly.

In middle school, obviously, you don't want to do that. I'm like, Hey, mom, there's something breathing in my ear before I fall asleep. That's so scary. It was so bad that I had to wear headphones.

Oh, my God.

To go to sleep because I was afraid of something breathing in my ear. I would have anxiety. I couldn't sleep.

Would you feel it, too? Hear it and feel it or just hear it?

It would just be It was a loud breath. No feeling. Yeah. Damn. That's it, too. No words. It was just like a, wow. Like, wake up.

That's so annoying. I really hate that.

He's like, shit against himself.

I don't like it.

Scary. No, that's terrifying.

It's the worst when you're a parent of a child who does that because you have to keep your shit together. That's something I'm not looking forward to. And not traumatize them by being like, That's fucking terrifying. Are you serious? When they first told me about when the twins... Yeah, I didn't even think of My my older ones, they, they haven't really had a lot of things, but they had one.

They just knocked it out of the park.

They really, yeah. They had the home run with the one thing they had. And it was in the our we had, we lived in a house that was from 1860, so it was like crazy old. We always felt some stuff there. It had like a lot of history.

That place was scary. I used to sleep on the couch in the living room when I would come over and I would hear shit in the dining room.

There's a lot going on in that house. And they happen to be in their first like bedbeds, like toddler beds. So they weren't Cribs anymore. And they were next to the door. And they just started yelling one night. And John and I run up the stairs because we're like, what happened? We thought one of them fell out of bed or something. And they're both sitting there up in bed. And one of them says, please get them to leave. And we were like, what? What are you talking about? And she was like, people came in here with scissors and we're trying to cut our sheets.

Oh my God.

What? John, literally.

I love John's reaction.

We're standing in the doorway and John just goes, I'm out. He was like, Sorry.

He was like, This one's you. Okay. You got me on this one because he was like, I'm going to fuck this up.

I can't. So I was like, What? Okay. And I'm like, What? And I'm like, Is it a lot of people? And they're like, Yeah, a lot of people came in and we're trying... A couple of them were trying to cut our shit.

And they're like, Yeah. I burn my house down, personally. And I was like, well, we'll start fresh somewhere else.

I was like, okay. So the doorway was right next to their bed. And then there's this little nook right here where the attic was. It was like a door to the attic. It was a very spooky little area. So I was like, yeah, I would be scared, too. So I stood in the doorway and I was like, are they in the room right now? And she was like, no. And I was like, where are they? And she goes, right there. And she pointed behind me in the little dark.

In the dark-ass hallway.

Oh my God.

So I was like, okay. And so I didn't know what to do. You're a brave bitch for this. So I stepped backwards into the nook and I was like, so they're around me right now? And she was like, yes. They're right in front of you. I was like, okay. And I was like, listen, guys. I just talked to them and was like, you're scaring them. Like, their kids. This is their house. That's not cool to do. You can't scare them. I was like, Even if you want to come in our room and fuck with us, you can, but you can't be in this room. This is not okay. Please leave. That's horrifying. It never happened again.

You set your boundary. I do feel like spirits somewhat listen to intentions or boundaries.

We had to sleep in their room that night, but it never happened again. That was wild.

We've been told that even if you can experience really scary things like that, spirits do have to listen to you. You can demand them. We always say, Do not follow us home. You cannot touch me. That even happened to us the other night, if we can get into. But if you tell them firmly, they have to listen.

Yeah, I believe it.

You have the power over them. Wait, on a scale of 1-10, how much do you guys believe in the ghosts and the paranormal stuff?

Oh, like 350. Really? I'm a full believer. Okay. I just don't think. I think there's way too much evidence that there's some afterlife and that even if spirits, like quote unquote, aren't actual people, I think energy goes somewhere.

You know what I mean? Energy doesn't die, yeah. It's a fact.

I think I'm like a seven or eight now.

Okay. So we had to.

There we go.

When your kids are saying these types of things, like where you got like just getting bricks?

Yeah, I think when they were saying these, like when that when the scissors one happened. I was probably like a four or five. That's why I felt a little more comfortable being like, hey, don't be in this room, assholes.

It is so crazy to me that we grew up in the same haunted ass home and that you are not more of a believer.

I know because I just want to explain it.

I think it's just energy. I think that's how you explain it.

Yeah, I think that's why I'm getting more like- What were mainly the things that brought you from a four to a seven? I think now that we've gone through some of these, I had never really done it that much. I had things going on in my own house, but I could explain them in a way, in some way. Or just in my brain explain them away. I was like, it's fine. But these things, even getting touched by something. I think when we went to the I saw Salem, something like, blew in my ear. Oh, yeah. I remember that. I fully felt it. Fully felt it and did not expect to feel it. So scared the shit. I think I jumped 40 feet from there. You did.

You definitely did.

For sure. That was terrifying. I think those things I just can't.

How do you explain that? How do you explain that?

And feelings now. Like, going into certain... Lizzie Borden going into that house. I was like, this feels different.

We've both been told before, and I think you were recently told again that we're intuitive. I think you're more open to it now, so you're starting to feel it more when we go to these different places.

I think before I was like, no. I don't want it.

You were locked off a little bit.

Yeah, which goes full circle to the and stuff experiencing this because it's like, you're just more open in general. I think spirits or the energies, whatever you want to call it out there, can tell if you're close-minded. There's actually a term of it called a blockhead where you just won't-No way.

You're just blocking it.

Won't believe it, so they don't even try it. So they can't infiltrate. They're like, Oh, this guy's not going to believe. But if you are open to it, that's when stuff starts happening.

That makes sense. That makes a lot of sense, actually.

Because I try when we go into these places to be as open-minded as possible. That's perfect. Because I'm like, Well, if I'm going to experience it, I should experience it. Don't try to be the asshole who's like, I'm not going to believe in you. I'm not going to try to debunk everything.

That's what we tell all of our guests, that when we walk in, it's like, Hey, if we notice them being like a blockhead, it's like, well, you're not going to get anything if you're literally going out to deny it. When we first started ghost hunting, we both didn't believe in the paranormal side of it much, and we didn't get much. But then when we really were out there like, okay, well, put the cameras off. Let's actually try to get something to happen just purely out of interest. That's when we start getting stuff. So that's always the best way to go about it when ghost hunting and all these different things. Be open minded. Let things happen.

Makes sense. That's the thing. When you just let it happen, it happens.

It sure does.

When we were at Lizzie Borden, and we'll get into our little game in a second. But when we went to Lizzie Borden, we were all sitting. We were with Corinne and Sabrina from Two Girls, One Ghost, and we were sitting in the kitchen or the dining room. That's where we were. Yeah, the dining room. We were all just reading from the guest book where people have put their experiences. I think Sabrina was reading them out loud. She was like, Let's just see what happens if I read these things out loud and see if anything happens. We were alone in the house. We had booked the whole house just for the four of us. From upstairs, a woman's voice yelled something so clearly.

It was like, who's there, wasn't it?

It yelled like, who's there? And it was a woman's voice. And you can hear it on the camera because we had a camera just sitting on the... Chills, dude. I literally got Chills just thinking about it. Because you can see us on the camera, all of us just feel like, what was that? And we searched. Nothing was up there. No one was up there.

You were so scared to the point where Elaina thought somebody broke into the house. Yeah, I was like, is there somebody in here?

That is terrifying.

That's what I was more scared of. I was like, is there a real person in here that's- Way more afraid of real people.

Definitely.

It was so clear, though. We weren't really trying to do anything. We were just reading the experiences and just sitting there. And I was like, that was the clearest thing we had heard all night.

It was gnarly.

It was so scary.

Were you guys filming, too?

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think we have that on camera.

We do somewhere. Wow. Okay.

It's so cool.

I was eating Starburst, so I didn't hear it.

Me and Corinne were like, did everyone hear that? Yeah, it was terrifying.

But on the thing, the recording back, you can hear it fully. Oh, yeah, you can.

That's when I heard it. Oh, my God. You just can't make out what she's saying.

Yeah, but you can hear a voice in the distance.

It was terrifying. Horrifying.

Yeah. It's the noises when they're outside. Even when we were doing it and the noises that were happening in the distance. Yes.

Those are the things that freak me out. You guys still get scared. Oh, yeah. Which is surprising in a way.

Yeah. There's some things that we're like, okay, we've heard these types of things before, but there's always stuff that's new. It's always terrifying.

It's the story that really freaks me out. So even though we've been doing it for years, someone would think that we would get used to it, but it's not the case because we'll spend a week beforehand researching it, studying it, watching YouTube videos, all that. And so we're prepping ourselves to go. And so when we walk in, we're like, oh, man, we've already learned so much about this place. And that's what makes it freaky.

That makes a lot of sense. Because you're just so familiar with every facet of the house.

You know everything about the story. And so when you've heard that there's, for example, a door slamming or something like that, and then that happens to you, it just ultimately makes it 10 times more scary.

Yeah, for sure. And you're like, what's coming? When it's outside the room, I'm Is it coming here?

What are we going to do when it presents itself? How do I fight this thing? Exactly.

Of all the places you've gone to, do you have a favorite? In terms of most scary? Yeah.

I would say most Scary or that you had the most crazy experiences at.

Oh, that's really interesting. I mean, personally, the thing that scares me the absolute most is an upcoming video that we have. It's we went to the Paris Catacombs. Stop it. It's 200 miles of the largest graveyard in the world. 6 million dead bodies buried underneath Paris. And it's just miles and miles of a labyrinth of different caves systems and everything like that. And there's no map.

You can get lost so easily.

So easily. We have so many people that got lost, got threatened to be robbed. There's gangs down there. People die down there. It's really rough in terms of just the physical danger. And then you got to think it might be one of the most haunted places in the world. Oh, yeah. With six million dead bodies down there. For sure. And all the ritualistic stuff that's gone down there. Oh, yeah. It's really, really dark things. But we've known about that for a long time, and I've pushed off that video for, I think, five years now.

Oh, my God. Not yet.

I was like, I cannot do it this year. I cannot do it this year. I cannot do it this year. I need to muster up some more courage. And we finally went for this year's Hell Week series. And it was genuinely terrifying. Like, literally walking around next to hundreds of bones that used to be people just like us. And it's really eerie feelings. And not only that, our investigations were absolutely horrific. Oh, it must have been crazy. We got a little... We tried to record EVPs, basically just sound recordings. You play it back, and sometimes there's, recordings of things that you can't hear with a human ear. And there was a literal guttural screams back at us. And then sometimes saying full sentences back to us. And we're like, what is going on here? I've never heard anything like it. It was genuinely terrifying.

That place didn't just have paranormal danger, but obviously it was illegal to go down there. And then there's these people that live down there called cataphiles.

And they steal your map and your flashlight.

I am so obsessed with that idea.

Did you come into contact with anybody?

We ran into one guy. Shut up.

What's really scary is we went down there with a couple of buddies, and they were like, We're not going to tell you a certain things that we know about this place until afterwards, just for the sake of your mind. Oh, my. That's really creepy. So we leave and he goes, Okay, well, I didn't want to say this, but I know a guy who recently went down there and got his backpack, his food, his water, everything stolen from him. And he got left deep in the catacombs by a guide, purely just like, I just want to rob the guy. And all he had was 10 % left on his phone battery. Stop it. And then one little flashlight. And he was down there for hours and hours and hours, just waiting aimlessly walking around before someone luckily found him. And he made it out alive. But he could have easily easily died.

Oh, yeah. No food, no water, no nothing.

And I was just another random YouTube Explorer that we just went down there. I'm like, I want to go film a video just like we did.

And his guide left him. Is that what you said? It wasn't a real guide.

The video is on YouTube. Holy shit. A shout out, Nightscape, I believe his name was.

I have to see this.

You have to watch it. It's probably one of the scariest YouTube videos I've ever seen because it's so real. He's by himself completely, no food, no water. He was from England, so he didn't know, obviously, the French language or anything.

You can't even communicate. Yeah, so scary. I would just sob. I think I would just walk.

I just sit down and sob.

I'm just sitting down and cry.

If your light goes out, it is pitch black.

Oh, yeah. I mean, it's a cave.

Not only are you in a labyrinth and you have no idea what's going on, it's pitch black. So you literally can't see anything.

And it's like a pitch black you can't conceive of. Oh, yeah. Because it's like, we don't exist in that pitch black.

You could have your finger right next to your eyeball and you could not see it.

Not even sense it there.

It's insane.

Clostrophobia. Yeah. Then wading through waters that go up to your chest and stuff that's freezing cold.

Did you guys have to wading through water? Yeah. Wow.

So we were completely soaked. We had to... It's so funny. You basically, in public on a busy street, climb through a manhole.

Yeah. And you're just out of there.

With everybody. It's like when we were making our escape, finally, we were crawling out there, completely dirty, drenched, soaked, and people were looking at us like, Oh, my God.

I was They probably see it all the time. Just people coming out of man holes all fucked up.

What's going on? Exactly. This one was crazy. Like an army crawl on our hands and stuff like that for probably a football field or more. Like a a certain time just to get from one cave to the other. Was it tight? Yeah.

You had to push- So you essentially cave dove. Yeah. Basically.

You had to push your back. That was called Splunking.

What's that movie? The Descent. The Descent. Have you ever seen that? Where they go cave dive? Oh, you got to watch The Descent.

I don't like those movies. That's so scary to me.

They are so scary.

There is a movie based on Paris Catacombs.

As above, so below.

We covered it on Scream.

Oh my God. Horrifying. I watched that on the plane Going to Paris Catacombs. I was getting to the moon.

I was like, I'm not doing that. I would say that for after.

I was like, I'm not doing that. I was like, I want to be fully immersed.

Fully immersed. And you were, I bet.

I was like, no, thank you. I'm just going to take a nap.

I don't want to lie.

I'm going to disassociate real quick.

Do you have a favorite?

There's so many cool spots that we've been to. We've been all around the world doing this stuff. So there's really cool locations, like castles and stuff. But in terms of just one that comes to mind is, have you guys been to Velasca?

No.

Or talk about Velasca?

That is... That's my bucket list.

Initially, I said that I wouldn't go, but I think now that we're getting more into it, I would. I'm dipping more into to these things. I agreed I'll do a Ouija board now and stuff.

I know. That's good.

That's a big step up.

We covered Velasca, the case.

You know the story behind it? I kid you not, out of all the haunted places that we've been, personally, that one I'm talking about feeling, when I walked in there, you can feel how evil and heavy it is. I'm sure. Because it involved a lot of children and stuff. A lot of messed up things happened in that house. What was it? Eight people? You guys have noticed?

Eight people. It's been a while since we covered it, but I think you're right. Yeah. And there's still blood on the ceiling and stuff, right?

Yeah, and the ax marks. Because you use the blunt side to murder. So you can see the chops in the ceiling. And what's interesting, what makes it scary It's just in a random neighborhood. It looks like just a normal little community, tiny little neighborhood next to a bunch of other houses, but then you walk in and it's dark.

It's like a different world.

Yeah.

It feels so dark.

I feel like the energy in there. I want to go, actually.

You guys We have to. We have to try it.

I know we have to.

All right. So obviously, you guys have worked with a lot of psychics and mediums throughout your endeavors. So we wanted to tell you some of the most wild techniques that we found from throughout the years. Okay. So just a couple of interesting, like Victorian era seance.

Nice.

They used to do some weird stuff.

And they were diabolical. There was a couple that I'm like, you guys are assholes. Really?

Okay. So we're talking about some scam artist type of Yeah, big time.

I'm going to start with possibly the craziest one that we saw. Yes. The ectoplasm of it all. So mediums in the early 1900s. What? The ectoplasm. So mediums in the early 1900s said basically when ectoplasm started leaking, that was the signal that they had tapped into the spirit world. That's how you knew it was going down.

Damn, that happens to us all the time.

Always seeing ectoplasm.

Just all kinds of goo. It would sometimes include a gauzy substance leaking from all kinds of places on the medium, their ears, their mouth, their nose, their eyes, and apparently, sometimes even their genitalia. Yeah, Yeah. I have a picture of that. It's safe for work, but...

Kind of.

Oh, what the...

Wait, that's a lot.

How do they do it? It's a lot. Way more than expected.

Yeah.

Damn. Has that ever happened to you? Has that ever happened to you?

Have you experienced that? I had some goo coming out of my pants. It was almost that much, too.

It was crazy.

Almost that much. We were wild.

It was wild.

You were like, damn, the ghosts are huge.

Yeah.

Please stop.

Something is happening.

Please stop.

It would not stop.

Eventually, when this really got popular, the term ectoplasm was coined. I don't know what the fuck they were calling it before.

Oh, God.

God only knows. But yeah, that term was coined by French physiologist and psychical researcher, Charles Rochet. As soon as the white viscus fluid started leaking from wherever it did, that's when you knew that the spirits were in town. I guess what the medium said the purpose of the fluid was during the seances was that it would turn into the face of a person trying to be contacted from the other side. Okay.

Yeah, it would- See face in the goo?

They'd see faces in the They stuck their face in the goo. And we'll get into why.

They really investigated the goo.

Sometimes the goo would be like a limb. It would look like an arm, like a disembodied arm. Or sometimes it could be like a full body figure of the goo.

That is a lot of goo. A lot of good. A lot of good. I did not know this much ectoplasm existed.

I didn't either. Now, the interesting thing about this, though, is that apparently the mediums would tell you this would only work in the dark. The lights could not be on, and you could not get close to them while this was happening. No. Can't see. If you turned on the light, they were like, Oh, it's just going to disintegrate. We got to keep it super dark up in here. Harry Houdini was a huge skeptic of this practice, and he called out mediums and basically how they got to getting the ectoplasm to come out. He said they were swallowing all kinds of things, like cotton mixed with goose grease, cloth, gauze, muslin, and sometimes sheep's lungs.

What?

They would mix all this shit together. It makes me think of just paper machete. But they would ingest it or they'd stick it in their ears and they'd have wires that they could pull, obviously without showing whoever they were reading. That's when it would start to flow. I don't know about how that picture came to be.

Imagine being that committed to the bit. You are that committed to the scam. That you're willing to swallow chiffon and sheets of it.

Or put it in places.

It just It allowed it in places.

I'm not committed to that bit.

No. Yeah, because they would essentially just make themselves sick in the cases where it came out of their mouth. They'd just throw up sheep slongs at you. They'd just throw up sheep slongs at you. Yeah. So one of the mediums who was famous for this was Marthe Barade. She was also known as Eva C. Or Eva Carrière. She was actually said to be the first person to introduce this practice. Sometimes she would even include little pictures of people so that when it started leaking out, people would look at the photos and be like, Oh my God, that's my grandma. Oh my God, that's my cousin, Beth, who died seven years ago. What? But she eventually got exposed when people realized that the photos were of celebrities from magazines, and she would cut them out and disguise them somehow. What? Yeah. Eventually somebody during a seance was like, Wait a second. This is a king from another country. This is not my grandpa. And she got called out.

Wait, so you're saying they would eat the paper and then regurgitate it?

Yeah, so she would basically... She used, I guess, sheep's lungs mixed with other stuff, like muslin and that thing. She would crinkle up pictures into it. Then when they would go through the goo, they would see the pictures.

Now, was she someone who puked it out or did she piff it out? Was she one of which one? I think she was- Puking or pisser.

This isn't her. Here's another Some people were puking.

Oh, God.

Eew, I hate it. Yeah, I think she did all kinds of things with her Ectoplasm. I think she was one of these people. Oh my God. She was as well. Okay. I think it was just coming out of everyone's mouth.

Imagine somebody peeing out your grandma.

Yeah, that's the thing. Or what you think is your grandma. And then you're like, that's just the king of igloops. That's just the king of inklets. That's a man, not my grandma.

That's a man.

So that was our girl. That's crazy.

Wow. Eva. So that's ectoplasm.

It's so funny. We were doing this investigation in Australia at a prison. And then this whole investigation, 3: 00 in the morning, the owner walks in. He goes, you guys want to see something cool?

He'll always say yes to that. For sure.

He goes, If you don't tell anybody, I have ectoplasm. Oh my God.

What? This is amazing.

Shut up. I have never heard of someone having ectoplasm. I keep it in a jar. Of course you do. Holy shit. You're a jar of liquid I have to see. We got to do this. We're with a couple of other buddies. And so 4: 00 AM, walk into this guy's back office and he pulls out this jar of clear-looking weird goo liquid. And it's in this mason jar. He's like, I've been keeping this for ages. Where did you get this?

I have a lot of follow-up questions.

I'm I don't know if I want to know, but also, what? We've seen a lot of interesting characters, but we've never had someone present their ectoplasm in a jar. And we might keep this special. Just to show people.

Did he say where he found it?

I said it was like, he found the goo on some table, right?

Yeah. Just like the sound stories, after a big investigation, there was just goo that appeared.

He just scooped up his goo and throw it in a jar.

He got out of his spatula and just got it into the jar.

No, the vibe I get from him is just straight hair.

Just straight hair. Yeah, he didn't even... Yeah, give me that.

So you held it?

Well, I reached for it. The jar, that is. Yeah, and he was like, You're going to touch my goo. And I was like, I'm so sorry. You're going to touch my goo. I'm so sorry.

He said, You can look, but no touch.

But he was saying, Yes, sir.

How do you leave that conversation?

We were like, Thanks. We're going to go do our last investigation.

Yeah, it was so bizarre. It was exactly the color that you would imagine.

At least he presented it in a jar and didn't present it in a way.

He didn't just lift it up. Or just link it out of his nose or something.

Exactly.

Yeah, that's wild. Also, I'm now hearing him say that in an Australian accent in my head.

Oh, I didn't even think of that. Do you want to see my goo? That was a little British, but- Don't touch my goo, please.

We're going to get roast in for Australian accent.

Sorry. I want to see Ecto. No, I don't. I changed my mind. I do. I'll hear about it. I just don't want to.

I don't want to experience it happening, but I'd see that guy's jar of Ectoplasm.

I'd look at that guy's jar of goo.

I'd be like, please, let me see.

Damn. Well, mine are not. Mine are not nearly as like...

Graphic?

Wild as that. So I was just going to talk about spirit trumpets, which just seemed to me silly. They were like these little cone like, trumpet things. They would be like, cardboard or metal. And they used it. It just made me think of those like, cartoons where they would put a giant horn to their ear and they would put a horn to their ear and say that they were hearing the spirits talk to them. And then they would use the horn to distort their voice and pretend that the spirit was speaking through them. And sometimes they would levitate it with wires and shit. And if it was an audience, they would have it levitate over to the person that was getting the message. And it would be like little kids sometimes under a table who were controlling.

Just at their night job.

Yeah, just like they're, moonlighting as a scam artist. They would just have it float over to the person that the message was for, and it would just come flop by your ear.

That's pretty high tech.

That's pretty awesome.

I want to see that.

But it had to be dark so you can see like, always.

When you're scamming, it's dark.

Always. For sure. Always. So there's that one that was just silly to me that I was like, I just picture this little like, trumpet floating through the air. It's like, you got a message. And then one that was diabolically evil to me, and they did it a lot, was sometimes they would embed, they would make the candles themselves and they would put, if they were doing a reading for specific people, they would put the perfume or cologne of the person's loved one in the candle wax. So when they burned the candle, they would smell the cologne or perfume, and they would think that the person was there. That's a crime. I was like, what?

That's fucked up on another level.

That's so messed up.

Also, how do they know the person's perfume?

I don't know if they would do like a- There was only three back then. Maybe that was it.

It's just luck of the draw, I guess. They didn't know if to worry about the whole perfume center.

Sephora, I guess.

There was like Chanel.

Worry about, but...

Some oil. Some oil. Yeah.

It's like a flower.

That is pretty messed up.

Can you imagine? They'd bring it up. They'd be like, Oh, I smell something. The person would be like, That's my husband's cologne. Oh, that's awful. They'd be like, well, he has to be here. I'm like, you have to be the nastiest person to go with that. I won't commit to the bit enough to piss out ectoplasm, and I will not commit to that bit either.

I'm glad that you're not willing to piss out ectoplasm. No. That's a good quality.

I will not. I'm standing on business right now, and I will not do that.

Hold it in a jar, but not piss it.

Hold it in a jar. For sure. But I will not produce it.

We were just talking about that, how it is so fucked up to think there There are people that make money on telling you about your dead loved ones when they have absolutely no idea.

That is fucked up.

Sylvia Brown.

Because it's like, how do you just go to sleep after that? Because you know you're lying.

Yeah, exactly. How do you live with yourself?

Or do you think they get to the point where they think they're on to something?

I think that happens a lot of people.

Yeah, definitely.

I think they might know that they're deceiving, potentially, but they're also helping people out. They probably justify it in their head by being like, Oh, well, it's making them feel better to get these answers, when in reality, they're just lying to you.

Yeah, they're just muddying the water.

Yeah, that's how they justify it.

Yeah, I think that makes sense.

I've been I'm on a Sylvia Brown kick right now. I love it. I'm getting them on my TikTok for some... I don't know where they came from. I don't know how this happened.

Now you're going to get more because we're talking.

Oh, I already am. I'm on Sylvia Brown talk all of a sudden. It's like the people just started... She was like this Psychic from... She used to be on all these talk shows. She was always on Montell Williams. Or Sally Jessie Raphael. Those daytime talk shows. And she would go on there and she would... But she would help with investigations. She wouldn't help with investigations. She would give her input. She was helping. And she would talk to family members of people who were missing or murdered and give them information. And there was a couple of times that she was so wildly wrong that it was crazy. There's a clip of her, and it's one lady talking about her husband or her boyfriend or fiance, I forgot which one. And she was like, he died. And I need some closure. I need to know where he is. We were never able to get his body. And she doesn't tell her anything else. And Sylvia Brown looks at her and says, well, that's because he's in the water. And she was like, and you can see her. She loves telling people that. Oh, yeah, she loves that.

She'll throw you in the water no matter what. But she says she's like, water, honey. And so she's like, honey, he's in the water. And you can see the lady be like, what? And she goes, well, it was 9/11 and he was a firefighter on 9/11. So how do you get in the water? And you can see Sylvia Brown be like, she said, damn, my go to is not working. Yeah, I don't know, he's in the water. Like, she just commits to it. But you can see it. She's like, look. Like, she's like, Fuck that up. But she just commits, and you can see the lady's like, okay. And just sits down and I was like, you asshole.

That's so bad.

That's messed up.

They just throw their loved ones in the water to them. Like the worst outcome that you can think of.

She said that to another parent of a case that we covered. And wasn't the girl still alive and being held captive?

I think so. She's done it a couple of times. Yeah.

Once the water trick doesn't pan up for you one time, you think you'd move on.

Once you fail at it like that, you need to retire the water. Like, don't use that one again after you hear that. Because when she said it was 9/11, when he died and he was a firefighter, I was like, what? How do you fuck that up so bad? Sylvia, I'm telling you, go on Sylvia Brown TikTok. I'm about to. You'll get all these awful clips.

That actually would be so cool to see a compilation of all the mediums just failing. Catching them in the act.

Because you can see it on there. You can see the panic set in for a second. But she recovers so fast and just commit.

That's crazy. It's so personal.

That's the thing. I would die. I would just start crying. I would never be able to do that. I couldn't know. Deceive someone like that.

No naming names, but have you ever worked with a medium and been like, I don't know.

There's definitely a lot of interesting characters. I mean, we've been doing this for years. That's the thing. There's a lot of people that are like, There's no way that that can be correct. Yeah.

Yeah, so definitely a couple for sure.

But then on the flip side, have you had things be like, Holy shit.

One thousand %.

I mean, yeah. We've experienced that as a group.

But yeah, 1,000%. Yeah. So it's like, I believe in some, and then I think some are scam artists.

That's what I think.

That's pretty much what I think, too.

I do think people have that ability. For sure. Mediums, especially, I feel like. But I think there's a lot of people who are just looking for the money.

I think I'm like, 90%, maybe 85% are fake. Really?

Honestly, I believe that.

Because I think most people do it for the money. I think the people that are out there that are doing it genuinely to help people, and you can tell that they're either not taking it for the money or it's not their main gig. It's just a side that they do. I think those people are a lot more believable. The people that are doing it for the research and stuff like that, I think that's much more believable. But all little mom and pop shops that are like a psychic, 50 % off today. It's like, Okay, how are you right? You're just trying to make ends meet, actually.

I've definitely been to psychics and had them tell me things, and I've been like, what? That's not accurate at all. But then on the flip side, I've been to Psychics, and they've predicted things in my life that have happened, and I've been like, shit.

Yeah. It just depends. When we first started this, I was like, yeah, sure. Someone can tell the future. But now I'm like, oh, wait, someone can probably tell the future.

What is going on here?

This is insane. But I heard someone describe it as It's just another one of the human senses. And some people have more dormant than others. Just like some people have perfect pitch. It's very rare, but humans can't have that. And then it's like people do It happens. It's just one of these things that a very select few people have that ability to see certain things or frequencies that others can't. And so with that logic, I was like, oh, that makes sense. The idea of something like a perfect pitch or the people that are the fastest people in the world or something. I was like, They're people with superhuman type of talents. It isn't too far-fetched to believe that some talents can help you see things or hear things that are not necessarily They're really accessible to everybody.

Yeah, definitely.

Each medium, too, has a different skill that we found, it seems like. We've met some that are only able to see figures or people, whatever. But then there's some that can feel it There's some that use the Clareomancy and stuff that use the bone throwing. Right. So cool. Yeah. Just a lot of different techniques to contact or see the afterlife. It's interesting.

It is interesting.

I feel like the ones who do, and this is just me, when they do a big audience of people, those are the ones that I'm like, I don't buy it. I hate it.

I do not buy it.

I just can't buy it.

My girl, Theresa Caputo.

Do you believe her? She's a Long Island, right?

She's Long Island medium. I don't know. I do believe her. I believe her, period.

I believe her, okay.

I just love her.

I'm skeptical of those guys.

I've seen her show when I was little. I loved it.

I loved the show when I was over there. I hope she's real. I know.

I do, too.

It's just the audience, the big audience ones. I'm like,.

It's hard when you see shows of mentalists or illusionists that you think, whoa, how in the world did they know that? But then it's just like a trick that they've done a hundred thousand times.

Yeah, slide of hand or.

That's the thing.

Some quick thing that we don't see.

And when you really break it down, sometimes when they do the big audience things, when you break down how they get to the answer, it's so clear how they get there that you're like, oh.

Like in the moment, you don't think that.

Yeah. Yeah. People give information and they don't realize they are. That's very true.

Yeah. Yeah.

And they're really good at doing that.

Cold reading and stuff like that.

I love seeing the people who won't give information, though, and the psychic is actually for real. And they're like, They get it on basically nothing. Yeah, you are one of those people.

I always go whenever we go to a psychic or any tarot card, I'd give nothing. She's literally like, I will just sit there and just I want to see. I take my rings off. I won't even show that I'm there.

They're like, does that make sense?

And she's I'm like, maybe. I don't know. I'm like, you tell me.

I don't know. Keep going. You know better than I do. Meanwhile, I'm like, yes. And when my husband said that and my dog from four years ago.

We lived here.

I start crying. I'm like, that's so...

She's like, I'm on to something.

We'll move on to... We'll do a little game.

Hell, yeah.

Games are always fun.

We love games.

We love I'm going to do a would you rather.

Okay. We're going to start off with that.

Are you guys participating or is it just us?

We always participate. We always participate. Yeah. Okay. Cool. All right. So would you rather let a Ouija board spirit possess your right-hand for 24 hours? Or... You both did really like...

Wait a second. That's so specific.

It is. Or would you rather let Zack Bagans narrate a few months of your life in a dramatic voiceover?

Oh, that's a dream come true.

I love the good Zeeby narration. We love Zack Bagans. He's the king of Paranobles. If he was like, Now you're going to go downstairs and eat some cereal, I would actually be so happy.

Oh my God. He can make a literally a puppy terrifying.

No, it's actually so true.

His narration is- His narrations are top tier.

They are because they're crazy.

They're intense.

It would be like a slow narration. He's just like, Now we're going to the car and you're like, Come on.

You're like, Come on, I have to go.

Drive you a little crazy.

I feel like having someone narrate my life- Would drive me insane. I was going to say I would think it's hilarious for maybe a couple of hours. I'd be like, This is so fun.

I wouldn't even make it a couple hours.

I think hour three, I'd be like, You can fucking leave now.

I need a long time.

Yeah, that's true. But I also don't want my hand to pass for 24 hours.

What if you let kill somebody?

That's the thing. It's like, I don't think it kills you.

I didn't think of that. Oh, wow. Yeah.

It could be... Okay.

Your right-hand can do a lot.

It's true.

Your right-hand can do a lot, but also, Zack Bagan is narrating your life for a few months or 24 hours.

Oh, months?

Yeah.

He's like, That's true.

That's true. You could fix this if you've ever seen the movie Idle Hands. I can at least try to fix it. If it's 24 hours, you could lock yourself in a room. Yeah. You could maybe handcuff your hands.

You could handcuff yourself. I would just watch some motherfucking TV.

Oh, that's a good idea. And your hand's just like...

Yeah, your hand's just going crazy over here.

Let's go. You're just letting it get to its thing. I'm doing that.

Yeah, that's smart. I'm changing. You're changing? Yeah. You're changing?

No.

Just because the length of time.

I love that. You're sticking. I need my narration, dude. I need my narration, dude.

I would use that time to record a documentary about my life. All right. That's pre-narrated.

That's pretty smart, actually. There you go. Yeah, you've already got the narration done. You're sick.

All right. So next, would you rather accidentally summon a Victorian ghost who refuses to leave until you let them co-host a vlog? Or would you summon a demon who only communicates through Sam and Kolby fan edits on TikTok?

I love how specific these are. Who came up with them? It was so funny.

We did this collective effort.

That is hilarious. We tried to tailor them to our guests, as you can see.

Oh, man. I feel like we are being communicated by Sam and Kolby edits on TikTok. All all the time.

I mean, that's so funny. I want to choose that one because it's so funny. But practicality, I'd probably be the first one, honestly. Because think about it, if you had a ghost co-vlog, that's so viral.

You're breaking the internet at that point.

You also essentially already do that. They're like background stars in your videos.

Exactly. But imagine we're like, Hey, guys, Sam and Kolby. What's up? We're here with... And he's like, Paul. And this is I'm like, whoa.

He's like, I'm Jenna Diah.

I actually love that. I get that. What are you doing, Sam?

Yeah, I think to your point, the viral vlog is there. Plus, I feel like a ghost could get other ghosts to get active.

That's true. He summons the other ones.

Yeah, exactly. The ghost would probably be the best ghost hunter out there.

Probably.

Hunt what you know. Because he'd be like, you're doing this all wrong. Let me tell you how to do this.

He's like, this is what we respond to. Yeah. Yeah. He's like teaching us.

He's working with a perfect translator.

Or is he like us where he's like, what was that?

He's like, did you see that?

He's freaked out by you. He's like, why are you here? Like, what's going on?

He's like, oh, my God, it's freezing in here suddenly.

I thought that was you.

That's awesome.

All right. I think I would want to have a third voice on the pod. That's a good idea.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure. I mean, we do, Nicholas. We do. When we do our Listener Tale episodes, we do Ghostube, and there's a ghost, Nicholas, who fucks with us while we record them.

He just has things to say about the Listener to Tell.

He doesn't like me. We're not best friends forever. He loves you. Running theme in our life, actually. Wow. I don't know what I did.

I don't know what I did either. I don't know why.

Beef with Nicholas. All right.

Beef with Nicholas big time. We've been friends the last couple. We've been amicable the last couple of times.

Dead men love me, apparently.

Dead men have a thing for you.

I don't know what that's about.

All right.

Would you rather use a possessed doll as your permanent cameraman or have to share your bed with a ghost who won't stop whispering, smash that subscribe button until dawn? Until dawn? Until Dawn? Until Dawn.

All night.

Oh, man. I would film that.

That's so funny. These are so unique. These are amazing. I've never heard any of these.

Probably smash the subscribe. That's only a 12-hour thing.

Yeah, and then you don't have to say it for a whole day. Yeah, there we go. The ghost has it for you. But you're sharing your bed with them and you're trying to see what you've experienced before. I have experienced that. It's like- Full circle moment.

I just hear her, you're like, Smash that subscriber. Yeah, but imagine given a camera to a haunted doll. Are they even going to be able to hold it up?

That's a shaky cam moment. Exactly.

Are they going to throw it at your head? Yeah.

Then you're getting the double chin angle all the time. Yeah, that's true.

Because they're short. They're never going to give you good lighting.

Not the good angle. Not true. Would be sick if the possessed doll was a cast member and just hanging out with us all the time. But the camera man, not cool.

Is Annabelle running next to you or I'm not saying no.

I mean, imagine it was me, you, and little Annabelle.

And just Annabelle with the camera. That is a really bad angle from down there.

They're B camp.

Oh, yeah. She's like the B camp. We're like, Annabelle, just go film the corner.

Can you get the outside shots?

She gets pissed.

Go take our thumbnails. She's like, oh, dang it.

See, we wouldn't have to really worry about that. Yeah, we really don't. We could have a possessed doll be our camera person for one episode a month.

Yeah. Guest episodes will be like, this is just our possessed doll. You don't mind them, okay? Yeah, we don't have to worry about that.

Yeah. But I already have... My kids are already jumping in my bed. I don't need a ghost in there as well.

Yeah. I'm not. I get too hot. I'm cranky in the night time. So I don't want to, I don't want to deal with that.

Yeah. You'd punch the ghost.

I would absolutely punch the ghost. My husband says whenever he wakes me up, that I go into a fight position. He's like, How do you wake up like that?

He's like, How do you wake up like that?

When he woke me up yesterday, he was like, Are you okay? Are you dead?

It's 4: 00 PM.

Yeah, 4: 00 PM, you're like, I'm ready to fight.

I just wake up angry. I just wake up like, what the fuck?

Every time. I do that thing, too. I'll be ready for motherhood when it comes because I go, and I wake up.

Oh, you have to do that. Oh, my God. That's It's the mom thing that you have to do. My kids tell me all the time. They're like, You sound like you're dying when you wake up because I'll be like, Mama, and I'm like, What? It's fine.

Why do you do that? I'm like, I don't know. I'm not trying to. You're getting ready. I was asleep, question mark.

Getting ready to terrify your children in the middle of the night.

Yeah, I'm ready. Let's go.

Actually, yeah, I would definitely not have the ghost in my bed.

No, no.

It would be much more useful for you. Yeah. So mine is, would you rather accidentally marry a ghost through a botched seance wedding ritual? Like, Oops, I married one of these. Or have a poltergeist that insists on being your chaotic third roommate and constantly messes with your editing files?

You're either getting married in a botch seance.

To a ghost. To a ghost.

Does that mean 50% of our assets are going to this ghost?

Well, you maybe could sign a prenup, I guess.

Unless you do the... You could do a post-naught.

A post-nup. There you go. You could do a post-nup. That is a thing. A post-nup. It's a prenup, but after the fact. What was your thinking, they said?

I have no idea.

Because this poltergeist is fucking up your editing. You get to the point where you're happy with the video and he's like, How about I add a laugh track?

That is the literal worst fear of my life.

Yeah.

You're going to have nightmares.

Who's to say, even if you accidentally marry this ghost, you don't fall in love.

That's true. Oh, that's beautiful.

I like the optimism there.

People are marrying everything now.

Yeah, you don't know. People get married to cars and shit.

They You can marry yourself. Why not marry Ghost? Yeah.

I'm trying to think, though, it would be a really hard conversation with our girlfriends. Just being like, Hey, this is...

I feel like it was an accident.

Hey, we got to talk about an open relationship here.

We're married. What do you think about sister-wife life? Yeah.

Exactly. With the ghost. Can we introduce a third?

Because I did.

By accident.

My bad.

Now the Ghost has to be in on that idea, too.

It was a wild weekend, guys.

It's like a corp's ride thing, actually.

It It is.

That's actually exactly what it is.

Very much that.

Can we ask a question? How long are you roommates with this Poltergeist, Trickster Ghost.

Through editing season. Yeah.

Once you're done editing, he leaves.

For the rest of your editing career, you just get screw up files.

That would ruin. He pops in.

He's your roommate, so I guess you could buy him out of the lease, but I don't know. It'll be that easy for you.

He deletes the most important investigation every video.

He's like, That's the thing. That's what you're facing.

He adds like old timey car horn sounds in the middle of your video.

Just like, every now and again. Oh my God.

I feel like, apparently, I already have extra ghostly friends around all the time, so I wouldn't mind having one in the relationship, too. Why not?

Honestly, oh, man. I mean, I would hope that when I get married, it would be for life.

I'm trying to think about it. He's really saying, I am not divorcing even if it's a ghost.

I think I might choose the roommate, honestly. Yeah, because I don't know if I'm going to be editing until I'm dead. That's true.

That's honorable.

You just deal with it for a while.

Yeah, I think marriage is more important at the end of the day.

Yeah, it's true.

That's beautiful. I respect that.

I respect my optimism of inclusion.

Maybe falling in love with this. They were both beautiful answers in different ways. I like them both. They were. I like them both.

Real nice. I don't want another husband. No, God, no. I like mine. I like mine as well. But I don't want anymore.

I don't edit. So never have, never will.

I know it would be Mikey who would really be. I know.

Well, back in the day, you used to add it.

I know. I used to edit.

I've never touched that shit.

And I know how annoying that would be to have somebody touching it. I know. Now it'd just be Mikey's problem. So I guess I'm going with Poltergeist.

Poltergeist.

Poltergeist You guys will live with Mikey and Dave.

But you thought, oh, okay, so they're Mikey's roommate?

Yeah, now they're Mikey's.

Oh, God. Wow.

That's pretty easy. Sorry, Mikey.

Just get me wrecked. Off camera, Mikey's like, Fuck you guys.

Yeah, Because I'm not getting married during a ritual. No. It's a no for me. No. No.

Accidentally or intentionally. No.

All right. So we're going with Poltergeist. All right. Sorry, Mikey. Love you so much. The next one is, this one's going to be hard, I think. Okay. Would you rather have Bloody Mary show up every time you say subscribe or have a demon gently bite you every time you plug merch? Just a little love bite every time.

Do we say subscribe or do we plug merch more?

I think we plug merch more than we asked for a subscription.

That's true. You don't need as many subscribers now. You're like, We got 15 million.

You know what? That's actually a good point.

I feel like they know what I got to do for you.

Oh, yeah. I would probably say, oh, man, actually.

But what do you want to happen?

Well, it's like I'm trying to think about how hard it is.

So Bloody Mary is just going to show up. I don't know what she's going to do. That's the other thing. She didn't let me know what she was going to do. She It's just showing up.

Basically, are you into stalking women or bites?

Or demons? It's just a gentle bite.

I feel like a gentle bite is like, at least you know what's coming. You know what I mean?

Yeah, it's not going to be hard.

What are you saying? Finishing myself. He's like, nice.

It's not breaking skin.

Okay. It's just like a little nibble and you're like, oh.

Yeah, you're just like, oh. Oh, by the verge.

Yeah, I would probably that because what's bloody Mary going to do? That's you don't know. I get the gentle bite then. Gentle bite.

You're the same.

I like the gentle bite, too.

Gentle bite.

Honestly, it was really cool if we started every video and we were just like, hey, watch this. And you filmed a gentle bite.

You were just like, buy Explorer merch, and then you were like, look at them.

That's like two birds, one stone.

Because then every viral clip is us plugging our merch.

Exactly.

Oh, shit. That's smart.

That's actually genius. You're like, How to get Ghost to bite.

How to get Ghost to bite? Oh, shopexplore. Com.

That's fucking awesome. Gentle bites only.

That's so funny.

That's the important part.

I would take A gentle bite, too, because I have a puppy, so I do have a demon biting me. That's not that gently. Wow.

You're all used to it.

I'm so used to it. I have scars and shit at this point.

Dang, you put it up with it.

I would say gentle bite. I think I'm going with gentle bite because, again, it's a gentlebite. Yeah, I want to... Part of me wants to see what Bloody Mary is up to. That's a gamble. I know. I don't know if I'm that reckless.

I'm also with you a lot, so can you not?

I was going to say how long she's showing up, though. It's like one bite is like, boom. But the subscribe could be visiting you in your sleep.

That's true.

Yeah, what if you talk in your sleep and you're like, subscribe? She's just like, there.

All my sleep talking is just like...

That's all we dream about.

Like our videos.

You never know.

I like the merch. Yeah, I think, you know what? I'm going with demon.

Yeah.

Because I don't think me and Bloody Mary would get along very well.

No. She seems angry. Too strong gals.

She seems too angry.

I was so scared of Bloody Mary when I was little. I still remember the first time I did it. Yeah. I like, screamed and ran downstairs. I got in trouble, too, which was lame. Yeah, that's stupid. Yeah.

I've never done it. You've never done it? I've never, like I've been around people who have done it, but I refuse to do it.

It was like such a sleepover thing.

We absolutely should. It was like, bloody Mary in my bathroom.

Let's do it in a haunted location.

Oh, yeah. Next haunted location.

Yeah, yeah. You're like, Don't bring it in your house. Pick an apple and then bloody Mary. Let's go.

We have a Halloween party somewhere in there.

It's a tinnarary down.

Maybe at the Halloween party.

We invite bloody Mary to our Halloween party.

Obviously, that's a draw.

It is.

Well, would you rather have a cursed Ouija board that will sometimes randomly spell out your most embarrassing memories for everybody. Embarrassing and upsetting memories.

Oh, and upsetting. I added to it.

Because this one's pretty wild. Or would you rather Simon a Victorian child ghost, but that Victorian child ghost is only going to refer to you as Daddy Kolby and Papa Sam?

Awesome.

Definitely the child ghost. He said, That is sick. Definitely. I'd just be like, I think it'd be just funny.

I'm not your dad.

I'm not your dad, but- But I'll be your dad.

Hey, guys, check this out. I guess I'll be your dad. Why not?

You adopted a ghost child. There we go.

That would be so funny. That would be so funny. I feel like that'd be awesome to have an extra character in the video. It's just like, It's your ghost kid.

Papa Sam.

I think that's a valid choice.

Are you? Do you want another kid?

Why not?

Another ghost kid? Yeah. Let's go. Mama Elina.

Mama Elina. All right. Why not? We'll go with it because I don't want my my shit spelled out in a Ouija board.

Yeah. I don't want that. Because that You have to do a Ouija board with other people. And so other people are just saying your stuff.

That's the thing. You're not doing it at all. It's like the ghost was lying, I swear. Yeah, that wasn't me.

They were messing with us. Yeah, I'd go Ghost Kid.

Victorian Ghost. For sure. Yeah.

No one needs to know those secrets.

No, those are locked up. All right. Would you rather spend a night alone in a pitchblock asylum with a Ouija board or spend a night in your own bathroom, but every mirror shows a cursed clown version of yourself?

Oh, God.

I loved your... I love your reactions.

And you're alone in the asylum. No one else, just you by yourself with a Ouija board.

With the Ouija board.

The first one sounds like an intense version of our normal YouTube videos. Yeah, it does. The second one sounds like I'm going to have nightmares forever. Like a fever. Yeah, for the rest of your life. Trauma, traumatic experience.

It's just one night.

Yeah, I would agree. The first one, you said one night. It's the first.

Both are one night.

Oh, both are one night.

You just have to stay in the bathroom all night.

And just look at your mirrors.

Yeah, dude. I just feel like that's a great idea for a vid.

Yeah, it's just I have to do that next year. I have to do that next year. I have to do that next year. Yeah.

There we go. Let's do solo challenges with a Ouija board.

We're turning all this into a business idea. We're like,.

Do you have a pad of paper?

Let's do that. You're like, TM. I'll probably do the first, too.

The Ouija board. All right.

Yeah. I think I would do my own bathroom and probably just not look at the mirrors.

Oh, just close your eyes.

Blindfold yourself and fall asleep on the floor.

Yeah, I only have two mirrors.

What? Yeah.

Oh. I mean, I didn't know you could just not look.

Yeah, I feel like maybe you have to look. You have to look? Yeah, I feel like that's too easy to avoid it. A cursed clown. Maybe you have mirrors all around your room. Oh, fuck. I just added to it.

Damn, okay.

I was like, We got to make that harder.

Cruel.

I don't want to be in a pitch block asylum alone. At least if I'm in my bathroom, I'm in my own house. Don't knock it.

Don't try it.

Yeah, that's true. Alone, though.

Scary. But the views. But the views.

Let's do it for the likes. I think I'm going to go in the bathroom. It's one night I can do it.

I want to say the asylum because I want to do that really bad, but I know myself and I would absolutely panic.

The other night, you were like, If we have to do anything alone, will you do it with me?

I was like, I can't go in a room by myself. I will lose my mind. Oh, that's awesome. Then when we were in there, I was like, okay, I could probably go in a room by myself. But then I was in the back going up the stairs, and I almost crawled over all of you. I was about to parkour above you.

You were like grabbing me. You were like, pulling me back.

It was pitch black behind me.

Walking at the end of a line in a pitch black area.

It's the worst. It was towards the end of the night, and I think I just felt way more on edge at the end of the night.

I went to grab something by myself, and I was like, why the fuck did I volunteer to do this?

Oh, yeah.

I was like, damn. It was freaky. I remember it was right at the bottom of the stairs, so I was like, I can do it. But then I was like, oh.

It's scary. It's a different feeling for sure.

I literally almost scaled all of you and jumped in front of them. That's so funny.

It's been capoos this worst. Because everything you feel behind you, but then in front, they're going so slow. It's always like, go fast.

Oh, yeah. I felt like you guys were at a dead halt. I was like, I'm dying back here. Please, please. Somebody's going to kill me back here. You're not moving. I know. That was scary. I would say bathroom, probably.

Yeah, I would do bathroom. Yeah.

And just deal with the consequences of that.

Yeah. We've also, again, we've had experience being in one of these places, so I thought it would just be cool.

Yeah. Or like, been there, done that. That's the I want to.

I would do it if I was with one other person, the asylum. But you're not. Just one other person would make me feel better.

Yeah. I would do it with one other person, too.

Yeah. Me alone, no. No.

All right. Would you rather be locked in Waverly Hills with a spirit that mimics your best friend's voice, so probably each other's voices, or be chased through the woods by a skin walker holding a KFC bucket and calling you dinner?

Oh, my God. That's so sadistic. Would you rather? Oh, my...

Okay, well.

How did you come up with that?

You know what's insane? This sounds crazy.

You're like, this happened to me.

He's like, so many KFC buckets. Literally all the time at fair and all locations.

All the KFC, fucking. Well, not KFC, specifically, but the doppelganger voice mimicking has happened to us two or three times.

With each other's voices? That freaks me out.

Yes, we were in for our elementary, and It was late at night and we were done filming. I was on the phone with my girlfriend, and I could have sworn that Sam was like, Yo, three times calling me because it was super late and voices echo in that gym. I thought he was just like, Yo, get to bed. I came in, I was just like, Why are you calling me? He was like, That was not me at all.

That's wild.

I hate that a lot. I hate the idea of mimic.

Yeah. As much as I want a skin walker with KFC to chase after me, that's hilarious. I'd probably do the mimic because I've experienced it.

Yeah, you've done it before.

The mimic is really scary. We've had that happen at the Conjuring House before, some other places as well. We just hear each other's voices. Evps will sound like our voices. Sometimes we'll have on the spirit box, the things that you're like the SS method type of stuff, the voices that come through the radio sound like us and each other. It's like, no way.

That's so scary.

It's super strange.

That's scary. There was a really scary time in the I was in the catering house that we were sitting on a couch just doing research, and I forgot exactly what I said. But I said a word and it repeated it back to me. It sounded like it was coming from outside or whatever. It was like, It happened on camera, by the way. We have it all filmed. We posted everything. Where I'm like, Yo, and it's like, Yo, or something back to me multiple times. Then I say it in the same amount of volume. I try it louder, I try it softer or whatever, and then the echo just stops in the same direction.

But it did three or four times before it stopped. Yeah. It was like, Come on back multiple times. Then later that same week, because we stayed a week at the Conjuring House, I heard the same type of voice in the basement when I was alone. Colby was not even in the house. And I just heard his voice ring. And I was like, oh, what? He's back? No, he's out in the woods. It was insane.

Yeah, that's so scary. But mimics are really scary. Well, because they also feel like very diabolical because they're trying to draw you in. And it's like, why?

Well, most people believe that mimics are evil spirits.

Yeah, for sure. I've had an experience in this house where I- This is so weird. I was in the bathroom and I was walking out and I saw Elaina in the doorway and I went to say something to her and then she was gone. I came in here and she was sitting right there. She's always sitting right there. I was like, were you just in the bathroom? She was like, what?

You were just in the bathroom. What are you talking about? I was just sitting right here. I was like, what?

I was sheet white. I was like, no, I just saw you. Oh my God. And Mikey's experienced it, too. He's seen her in a, out of the corner of his eye or in a doorway somewhere. And then she'll appear. And he's like, were you just there? And she's like, no.

That's so scary.

That's really terrifying. Yeah.

And I don't know why. Why are you showing up everywhere. I've been trying to figure it out.

You're in three places at once.

Yeah, I'm doing the most. I don't know why. I'm like, damn. Yeah. I don't know why. It's scary.

It's freaking me out a little bit. I mean, maybe in this case, it's residual energy or something because this is your house. Yeah. So I mean, it felt fucking weird. So I don't know.

I don't like it. It's just sinister that they'll disguise themselves as people you love or know, best friends, whatever. It's crazy.

Yeah, it's really scary.

I know because I've seen these videos. I don't know which ones are true or not, but where they'll hear people outside their door, speaking like someone they know and being like, open the door. I'm outside.

There's a whole series about that. I would never recover.

Yeah. I would The one that we saw in particular, and it was like the girl thought it was her mom. Oh, yeah. And then the guttural noise that she makes, she like screams or something.

Yeah, because I think she says, you're not my mom. And it starts to make this horrible sound on the other side of the door that ruined me.

My goosebumps had goosebumps. I want to pull it up later.

I know. We'll have to show it to you.

That's so scary. It was horrible. It was wild.

Wait, there's a video of this? Yeah.

Oh my God.

Oh my God. I know.

I fucking hate it so much.

Isn't that horrible?

Yeah, that's so bad.

Then she said she called her neighbor for help.

Every time I get really close.

Oh, I hate that so much.

I hate it. Yeah. Oh my God. It's It's scary. Even if it's not real great acting. I would not open that door. I would jump out the window, probably.

And burn the house down. Yeah.

So scary. I hate that. So that's that.

It's disgusting.

Yeah, it is disgusting. It really is.

That's a burn your house type day.

Yeah, that's over.

All right. So next, would you rather? Yeah. After that. Anyway, would you rather wake up every morning with a new cryptic symbol tattooed on your arm by Ghost? Or be cursed so that every mirror shows your future funeral. Oh, God.

That's so dark.

Every day you get a new tattoo.

Yeah. Who knows how big it is?

Every morning. It's a cryptic symbol.

Whoa. You got free tats.

It's true. Hopefully, they're good artists.

Hopefully. Yeah, that's the thing that would freak me out.

Yeah, what if they're shitty?

Yeah, I was going to say, what's the worst?

I have dreams all the time where I I got a horrible tattoo and I'm like, What do I do?

Imagine trying to explain that to your friends, though. You wake up and you're just like, I swear demons are tattooing this on me. They're like, Okay. But seeing your funeral, that's so mentally messed up.

You guys are sadistic.

You guys are fucked up for this. I want to see my funeral to be like, who came?

Who was there? You know what? Then if you saw it every day, you could see who your real friends are.

Yeah, that's actually a great tool.

If things change, you all of a sudden see somebody not there.

You can edit your funeral plans. No, everybody looks like shit. How about you wear this? Yeah, that's true.

This coax is a little lame. Let's get a DJ up in here. Something like that.

Get a better than bomber. I look like shit. Yeah.

I just feel like it would be a constant reminder that you're going to die eventually. It's a good perspective.

You're like, Better live today Well, whatever.

You're just having a great time.

You look in the mirror and you're like,.

But with the tattoo thing, you can become an experiment in a way. I'm big in business. You could just be like, Hey, government, check this out. Keep me in a lab or whatever and watch what happens to me every single week.

You want to get the government involved?

That's good point, too. That is brave.

That is good point. You want the to lock you in a lab?

Yeah, I don't about that. They'll never leave. You run your own experiment. It's a hard one. It's a hard one. It's on YouTube for views. Yeah. Not the government.

Never the government.

If I could profit off of it on YouTube. Yeah.

Always be closing. Hell, yeah.

Always be closing. That's funny.

All right, so you're going...

What are you doing? I'm going to do tattoo.

I'm doing funeral. I think about my death all the time anyway.

Yeah, I'm doing funeral.

I mean, I love tattoos.

But you only see the same artist.

I know. I'm really picky. That's true. He's not a demon. His name is Matt. He's not a demon. All right. Hey, Matt. Yeah, I would say the funeral. Because I also always think about my own death, and I assume. Same. I'm one of those people that's like, You might die tomorrow. Do that thing. I tell everybody else that. Eat that cupcake. Eat that cupcake.

I guess you could avoid mirrors.

That's true.

Yeah, you could.

You could. You'd run into them every day.

I don't look in mirrors a lot anyway.

Yeah. Not like every day.

That's what I was just going to the bathroom. It would be like a morning thing where I start my day being like, Oh, mortality. And then it would just be like, I can avoid.

It would be weird doing your makeup.

Oh, driving. You have to look in the airs a lot, driving.

That would actually become dangerous.

You see your funeral every time you're in the car, you're like, oh God, is this it?

I'm going to switch lanes or not, is this it?

Or does this camera count, too? If you're looking at your phone, trying to make a story.

Any reflection, probably.

I feel like we can't do any reflection. That's going to curse our lives. We're going too crazy. I think your bathroom mirror.

Bathroom mirror? Yeah.

Oh, only bathroom.

Not the rear view mirror of the car?

If it's only bathroom. No, that's too dangerous.

Okay. Then I'm switching my answer as well. I think I would just come up with a routine, get ready every day, expect, I'm going to see my funeral, and then just you would get used to it.

Yeah.

You're going to be able to get your mortality for a minute. That's a good point. I switched. Every day. Yeah. You convinced me.

There we go.

That makes sense. The tattoos, I I could get Wily.

I'm a control freak, and I need to pick my own tattoos. Yeah.

I feel bad. I feel bad going to Matt later and being like, I'm so sorry.

Can you fix this one? Yeah.

We have two more. First one is, Would you rather hear a demon whisper your name every night at 3: 33 AM? Exactly. Or have a Victorian Ghost lady follow you into every bathroom you enter?

Oh my God.

Intrusive.

That is intrusive.

Both are pretty intrusive, honestly.

Probably the Victorian lady.

Really? I did not expect that. Really?

I mean, I just feel like I'm thinking long term here with the demon. Well, first of all, can you wear headphones when you're sleeping and then cancel it out? No.

Okay. No.

I don't know. Does your wife or husband hear?

No, they're fine.

It's just you. So you're the one that has to live with it? Yeah.

Okay. It's your problem.

It's your problem.

Do you want interrupted sleep or interrupted bathroom time?

So is she watching you while you're doing your business?

I feel like she is. She's not modest.

She's like, You should light a candle. She's like, What'd you eat?

I mean, that's more of her problem. That's my problem. Sorry. Well, the demon is my problem.

I think you get really comfortable with her and be like, Yeah, I'll watch this one, bro.

Can you hand me some paper towel? Technically, if she wasn't able to communicate with anybody else, it's like, How do you know that's not happening to you right now.

Yeah, that's your little thing.

Yeah, you know what I mean? With her. I would share that moment with a Victoria Ghost, and that would be her problem. And I would just feel like, sucks for you. But then if I'm sleeping and there's something in my ear every single night, that sucks for me. I'm waking up every night.

Interrupted sleep. I agree.

Instead of scrolling TikTok, you're talking to a ghost.

Yeah, you're chatting her up. It's cool.

Yeah.

You're just talking to yourself.

Someone walks in and you're talking to yourself.

Oh, God.

Throw ideas to her.

It's like, This guy crazy. Shit.

You know what? That does sound nice.

I do the Ghost lady. Yeah. I don't want to be what's that.

Is ours a Ghost lady or is it a Ghost man, though?

No, ours is a Ghost lady. The question was Ghost lady. Yeah.

There we go. Ghost lady, sure. Yeah, totally. Ghost man, no.

No. That's scary. Throw that out of there.

Yeah, Ghost lady. I just feel like, All right, girl. Hey, girl. Yeah, let's talk about stuff. I like that. I love it. Yeah, that's an easy one because I don't want. My name's whispered in the middle of the night. All the time. I live in people. Children all the time. No, thank you. You don't need to add to it. I don't need someone else. So the next one is, Would you rather get trapped in a haunted mirror dimension with a ghost version of yourself?

A haunted mirror dimension.

Or That's good.

Have a poltergeist, like forever, that only communicates with you by throwing tacos at your head?

That's awesome.

Free tacos. I would love that. Oh my God.

Just wear a helmet everywhere.

Try to travel. Just try to catch.

Thank you.

Imagine how viral that is. If four or five times throughout every YouTube video, we just get us tacos. It's like, where did that come from?

Is it hard shell or soft?

You could choose whatever your preference is.

I think you would be able to talk to them about it.

It's a beefy five layer burrito, bro. Oh, for that.

Yeah.

You can throw some nachos at you.

Yeah. But if it's hard shell, I feel like that could poke out your eyes.

Yeah, that could get dangerous. It could get ugly. And messy, I feel.

It's all looking messy.

Yeah, I would do a soft shell beefy five layer burrito from taco Bell.

You're getting a little choosy here.

Shit, I want that.

I'm like, Are we ordering that after?

Yeah, we are. We're getting a taco bell today.

And it will be thrown right at our face.

I would definitely choose the tacos. Oh, yeah. I love tacos.

Big time. I'm a big taco people.

So I'd be like, talk to me all the time. Let's go. Yeah. This is really violently hard. I know. Unless he's like, humming it at your head.

I know. What if it ruined tacos for you? It would. Could it ruin tacos for you? That could. That could. What's the other option?

Trapped in a haunt of your dimension? Getting stuck in a mirror dimension with your ghost self? For how long? For a week.

A week? It's not that bad. I think we're going to continue.

I'm feeling Mr. Beast. But somehow, the people come up with that challenge. You're getting trapped here for a week.

You're inside the mirror.

With a ghost version of yourself.

I might do a ghost version of myself. I feel like you could learn a lot in that instance. That's true. Then I could continue just having tacos when I want to. At your leisure. At my leisure. Yeah, I agree. A ghost version of yourself could be cool. Yeah. It's to know yourself.

What if they're an asshole? Well, they're you. Then you're stuck there for a week.

Are you an asshole?

That looks like you. Sometimes. Not to yourself.

We're changing it. The mirror version of yourself is the asshole version.

Yeah, it's the asshole version. It's like the bad part of you.

You're living with the bad of you.

That's scary.

You have to come to terms with the negative side. That's a lot.

Maybe that's a therapy session, though.

That is a therapy session. I'm sticking with that.

I think that'd be a cool experience. You might come out of that person.

Yeah, we don't know how hard the tacos are hurting your face.

We don't know. We love tacos, so we don't want them ruined.

And you don't know when they materialize in the air. If they just materialize as they're coming at you, so you have no time to stop.

I don't eat in my bed, so I don't want tacos on my bed.

I don't want that. Oh, true. That's a It's really true.

You're driving, you just get smacked in the head with tacos.

That's dangerous.

Trying to take your everything shower. Oh, no. You have the music on and everything's nice and calm, and then a giant burrito hits you in the face. Terrible.

You just start all over again.

Right after you finish your shower and then boom, and you have to go back in the shower and you're like, God, just wash your hair and you get like, queso in your hair?

No.

That'd be awful. Or like, right after you blow dry your hair. No, no.

Mere dimension. I'm facing the shitty version of myself.

Are we all doing shitty version of ourselves?

I think so.

I was going to go for the taco.

You're still doing tacos?

Even after all that, you're like, I'll take another shower.

You may kiss the bride like, taco on the face.

You just start getting to the point where you're catching them in your mouth. I know.

Got to get them gained.

I like it. So we got three bear dimensions, one taco.

One taco demon.

All right. We'll just take your tacos that you don't want. True.

Yeah, give us your last dose. I'll share. I could feed the homeless. Yes. There you go. We made this great. Here you go.

Just to have a nice...

Toss tacos wherever you go. That's great.

All right.

I think we learned a lot.

I think we did. We definitely did. We know ourselves much better than each other. Yeah. So let's do the Two Truths and a Lie Ghost Edition.

Oh, yeah, to end it out.

You guys are going to tell us Two Truths and a Lie.

Okay. I'm just going to be looking straight here, so you can't look at my eyes. I know.

I'm not ready.

Poker face. Yeah, seriously.

One I went to the Veliska Ax murder house. During one of the last investigations, there was a spirit that tugged on the back of my crew neck that I was wearing, and it scared me and made my eyes tear up instantly. It was one of the only times that's ever happened where I felt like a physical touch like that. Another time, I was in a spot called Bauer's mansion. It was in Texas. I was speaking out to a ghost named Bernard, who was known specifically to slam doors. After I asked him to directly slam a door, it happened in front of my face. I instantly also broke out into tears, but this time down my face. It was one of the most dramatic jump scares I've had in my entire life. Damn.

These are all convincing so far. Yeah.

Then when I stayed in a week in the Conjuring house, I was forced to stay in the basement on the last night and was uncontrolled Probably sobbing the entire time until Sam was able to get me out at 05: 00 AM.

All of those seem so terrifying and real, and they all involve crying. Yeah.

Oh, that's true. They do. He cries a lot.

Hey. What's your astrological side? I'm a Capricorn. Oh, Capricorn. That's weird that you cry a lot.

I don't cry that much. It's all extreme options, okay? All right.

It takes ghostly intervention for you to cry. Exactly. That makes sense. That's what it would take for me to cry, for sure.

I think the last one is a lie because I think that was Sam.

Okay. What do you mean?

Do you know something? Are you working off of Intel?

No, I'm not actually working off of Intel, but I'm working off a possible memory of something I saw online. Oh, okay. I didn't see any full videos or anything, but I remember when you guys were teasing it.

I don't know the second. I'm not going to pick that just to be different. Okay. I'm going with Bernard.

Okay.

The second one.

You were right. Yeah.

You were right.

It was you, right?

I went to the basement one time, but I didn't cry.

You didn't cry?

I don't cry every single time.

That was me in the basement crying till 05: 00 AM. Holy shit.

Wasn't it something where you saw your grandma, right?

Yeah. Oh my God. My grand house. It was crazy.

In the basement?

That was the reason why I was crying, but that was earlier in the week. I did go in the basement till 5: 00 AM, and it was really terrifying.

And you cried because it was so scary?

Not in the basement. I just made that part up. Oh, okay. But he had an experience in the living room.

The basement in the middle of the night till 5: 00 AM was where I heard Colby's voice, the mimic that I was describing earlier in the podcast, where he was outside, actually, in the forest. I was like, Holy shit. Hearing His voice call out when I was alone. It was really, really creepy.

Oh, my God. We haven't been to the Conjuring house yet. I really want to go. I want to go so badly. You guys have to go. I was supposed to go. I know. My husband actually got me. He knows me very well for our anniversary. He was like, we're going to go on a tour of the Conjuring house. It was supposed to be a medium there and it was going to be really... I think he got sick right before and we weren't able to go. He got vertigo, too. He gets vertigo and it knocks him down for a week. Oh, I am. It was weird. Well, maybe you weren't meant to go.

You guys got to go.

I know. Because it's not far from us.

Yeah, the Convering House is actually going up for auction. Oh, really? On this Halloween. Really? Yeah. The last owner is no longer a part of it. And so they're literally selling the house.

Oh, my God. Wait, did Matt Reif not buy it?

It's up for auction. He wants to. He wants to buy it.

He's going to be in the bidding, I'm sure. Okay. I see.

Yeah. Matt Reif just recently bought the Annabelle doll.

Yeah. And the War Museum.

The War Museum. So that's a different thing.

I thought Annabelle was missing.

The same Annabelle, they took on tour and then, yeah, allegedly it went missing halfway through.

But then they got her. Yeah.

Then they found her. Yeah.

It was all a hoax, though. The fact that she went missing. It was just blown out of proportion. She went on tour, and then because she wasn't at the house, she was missing. She wasn't missing, she was on tour. She was definitely busy.

She went to New Orleans.

People were alert.

People were just She was filming for people.

She was that possessed doll.

She was the B cam down the hallway aiming at a corner.

Great footage.

We have to go.

I know.

Sabrina and Corinne have gone there. Yeah, they had Yeah, they had crazy experiences there. They did the SDs method there. They got some really crazy things.

Yeah, you guys have to check out Two Girls, One Ghost. I think you would like them. They're super spooky, paranormal stuff. Sounds good. They're our besties.

Yeah, we love them. All right, for sure.

Yeah, we'll do.

All right, Sam, you're up.

Okay, I got it. So I'm also going to look at the coffee. Okay, sure. All right. There's been a paranormal story of a ghost who caused a disease that actually ended up becoming a virus that a lot of people got. There has been a confirmed death by a ghost, and there has been an Illuminati cave that turned to be haunted.

All right, we know the middle one is true because we covered that case. Yeah. Shit. But we still have two to work with. What was the first one?

It was the virus. The virus.

And then an Illuminati cave that was haunted?

I'm going with Illuminati.

I am, too, because I feel like that's a conspiracy.

It's the first one.

Oh, the virus.

No ghost virus.

I almost went with that. So they're It really is an Illuminati cave?

Yeah.

It's called Hellfire Caves in England.

In England. Yeah. It's basically the Illuminati of this thing. We did cover that.

You guys know that? Shit.

We covered that. Frankly, going down there doing stuff. Yeah, I covered it. Yeah. I covered it on... Because Because it's like the Hellfire Club.

Hellfire Club.

Oh, I do remember that now.

They did a bunch of satanic rituals down in there and then it ended up becoming really haunted.

What are the odds? You picked two cases we covered. We were still tricked.

And I didn't For the one that I come in.

I mean, that's a lot of cases in our lives.

It was. I forgot you guys were the experts.

I guess not.

My gut was saying the virus, too, and I didn't go with it. With your gut. I felt believable.

Yeah. Good job.

Thank you. Well done. Let's go. Well done.

All right. Well, we're going to move on to recording our next episode of Sam and Kolby.

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Everyone at home will know. But maybe you guys aren't horror movie fans.

I am. We have a horror movie podcast. There's been so many. I know.

I'm trying to think of what it could be.

Will you tell us off camera? Yeah, of course.

Okay. I'm probably going to feel stupid after. No, I will, too.

It has recently become the number one horror movie to hit box office.

Damn.

So that's pretty cool. Anyway.

I'm excited.

That's so cool. Yeah. Thank you for giving that- Check that out. Exclusive on Morbid. I know.

I'm so excited.

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